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Sunday Rockpile: Previewing the Rockies draft, plus some links

The Rockies won't get to pick until the 26th selection of tomorrow's draft. The selection is right in the middle of what's historically been a relative first round dead zone that starts right around pick #23 and goes through pick #28 (look at the cumulative WAR of the picks at Baseball Reference). There are a variety of reasons for this, one is that the talent pool tapers off quickly to the point that players getting picked in this region are often either known mediocrities as teams, particularly prior to the last CBA, gave compensation for unsigned picks, tended to avoid the significant signability risks that carry higher potential.

The change that allows teams to take greater risks on signability in the first round seems to have had some impact in spreading the talent deeper as the past two drafts have a handful of prospects that seem like legitimate big league talents taken in that #23 to #28 range, including Christian Friedrich outfielder Mike Trout (Angels), and shortstop Nick Franklin (Mariners).

While the Rockies lucked out with an elite college arm with Friedrich dropping to their laps with the 25th pick in 2008, that seems to be the exception rather than the rule, even in these past couple of seasons. You'll note from the names above that the best use teams have made of these picks over the last two or three years has perhaps been with high school position players such as Trout and Franklin, but there have been notable busts in that category as well. The Phillies selected athletic, but relatively poor skilled Anthony Hewitt at #24 in 2008 just prior to the Rockies picking Friedrich, and Hewitt has struggled to a .219/.264/.366 line in his minor league career thus far, striking out more than a third of the time.

The Rockies second top 50 pick at #47 actually has a higher historical WAR than their first does thanks to one likely Hall of Famer (Tom Glavine) and one guy who wasn't too far off (Albert Belle) being selected there in the 1980's and early 1990's. The Rockies own history with the pick isn't so great, having selected Jason Young (2000) and Scott Beerer (2003) when they've picked 47th in the past. MLB teams have definitely favored college players in this region of picks, the only non-four year university pick taken within five picks either direction of #47 last season was Tanner Scheppers, who was already out of college.

It's sort of interesting that over the last two seasons, MLB teams have favored four year college players over high school players 15 to 4  (with Scheppers being the outlier) in picks #41#-50, but prefer high schoolers 13 (including the Rockies Nolan Arenado) to 6 in the #51-#60 range.

So what direction should the Rockies take with their picks? More pertinently, what direction will they take? While they're maintaining a generic "best player available" stance publicly, indications are that the team is thinking another quality college arm may slip to them like Friedrich did in 2008. While LSU's Anthony Ranaudo is unlikely fall to them but would be desirable, one name that the Rockies have been linked to and have scouted fairly extensively this Spring is Virginia Tech's Jesse Hahn. Hahn's reason for slipping in the draft is a midseason injury to his forearm, which many scouts believe could be a precursor to elbow issues and Tommy John surgery, but he fits the profile of a type of pitcher the Rockies like, a tall, live armed RHP with a strong lower body. Andy Seiler of SBN's draft blog,MLB Bonus Baby has them taking Hahn in his latest mock, I think it's a good possibility.

I'm thinking Asher Wojciechowski, Seth Blair and while very unlikely to drop as he's lately rumored to be going as high as #6 to the D-backs, Matt Harvey, may also be possibilities if they're available at that pick. While Zach Lee might be an interesting high school gambit similar to the Tyler Matzek selection of last season, my own guess is that the Rockies may pass on the big McKinney Texas RHP if a similarly hard throwing college arm is available, as money will become a factor with other things being equal.

Often there will be key trigger picks by teams before the Rockies selection, picks that will shape our draft because the team selecting is looking at the same players the Rockies are. For 2010, the Red Sox pick at #20 seems to be this kind of situation as both teams seem to be heavily scouting college RHP's.

On to some links after the bump:

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Five Numbers: Ubaldo Jimenez's Effectiveness, Baltimore's Complete And Thorough Tailspin, And More - SBNation.com - Jeff Sullivan is an unbeliever and a heretic and must be burned at the stake.

 

Twitter / Tracy Ringolsby: helton will like y hit 6th ...- Tracy Ringolsby tweets that Helton will finally be dropped in the batting order when he returns tomorrow.

Offseason work gets results as Tulowitzki adds two steals - The Denver Post - Great, my fantasy team really thanks you Tulo, but it would thank you more if you could have like a dozen RBI and five or six runs scored today.

 

De La Rosa throws, makes progress | All Things Rockies - In the category of very good news.

 

Rockies lose second straight game to last-place Arizona - The Denver Post - In the category of very bad news.

 

NL West features stellar pitching from start to finish - The Denver Post - In the category of not really news.

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about Hahn is taking me to a BBref page that doesn’t exist. Just a heads up.

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JFK

by jrockies on Jun 6, 2010 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

video of matzek on thursday

 http://youtu.be/RIhU4X9SYIs?a

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 6, 2010 10:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks

his fastball doesn’t look like it has much movement, but from what I’ve heard he has other quality pitches to go with it.

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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 6, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't think it was posted here

But here’s an article on Ubaldo that Neyer linked earlier in the week. If you don’t love Ubaldo already, you will after reading this. It’s no coincidence that the very best players in any sport are also the hardest-working.

by controlled_slide on Jun 6, 2010 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Here's the story being retweeted today..

TDC (jasonheywardfan):
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by Charlie77 on Jun 6, 2010 1:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

nice find

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jun 6, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

One thing I might add,

if the Rockies select any of these college pitchers I mentioned, don’t expect to see them throwing for Tri-City very soon, even if they sign fast. Wojciechowski, Harvey and Ranaudo have all had 120 plus pitch outings in their college world series regionals this weekend. Their coaches are pushing them hard.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Not really

In my mind I’ve been pronouncing it Woh-see-chow-skee, keeping the j silent.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Yahoo writer Gene Wojciechowski pronounces his name WO-je-HOW-skee.

I hate the Red Wings.

by wtnelson on Jun 6, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Woops

He writes for ESPN, not Yahoo. Adrian Wojnarowski is the Yahoo writer. I always get them confused.

I hate the Red Wings.

by wtnelson on Jun 6, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully this is the last time we have to practice this.

I’m not a fan. Asher’s workload, as Rox Girl points out, has been extreme and I’d be willing to overlook this more if I liked his arm better. From the videos I’ve watched, his fastball has some burn but it’s pretty straight, and while the slider is nice, he looks to me like a Kyle Farnsworth type reliever, than a durable innings eater. With other players likely on the board with less heat but more movement, I believe there will be better fits. Lastly, in his last start against more pro style talent, he got bombed. I don’t like to put too much importance on one start late in the year, but for a guy at a mid-major school getting a shot on a big stage against big time hitters, it wasn’t helpful.

Renaudo has had his arm issues… I just don’t think he’s that good. If you’re going to pay Boras money, I think you want a better arm (like Harvey). Speaking of Boras money, I still believe there’s a significant difference between paying someone Matzek money, and negotiating with Scott Boras. The Rockies aren’t necessarily Boras adverse at the ML level, but don’t have an extensive track record with him at the Draft.

As for Hahn, he only went three scoreless in his start today, and I’m not sure what the reason for his early departure was yet. VT did this yesterday with price, and they may be conserving him for a future game in the regional, but it was just a one nothing game. If it’s injury related, he’ll be a big faller tomorrow.

Like Rox Girl, I assume more that the Rockies would do BPA with a falling collegiate arm, but here in the last 24 hours, things seem to be shifting on the HS front. With O’Conner flying possibly up to pick seven, and players like Biddle and Jackson now being rumored as top twenty guys, that could put some interesting HS players in the 20’s. Can you really pass on a Nick Castellanos or Karsten Whitson? Whitson likely won’t fall that far, but if Castellanos isn’t taken at 14, I really haven’t seen him anywhere between the Brewers and the Rockies. That would be a hard pass in my opinion.

by David OhNo on Jun 6, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like Castellanos, but Pilliere has been saying SF's hot on him

And he seems to be a match for their system, so I’m really doubting he falls past them. Whitson will also likely be snagged, I’m guessing by the Angels with one of their picks right now.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Castellanos was really just an example

for my point, though. The bottom line is that if things start to shake out like Law, BA, and Pilliere are suggesting, the the big HS names we’ve heard about all spring could be moving out of the top fifteen picks. Getting a chance at a Castellanos, or Whitson, or Covey, or even Allie looks more enticing than some of the college names mentioned. That also doesn’t included Cowart, who could be a signing pariah not disimilar to Matzek, and he’s arguably my favorite name in the bunch. As it stands, the Rockies should have a chance to pop a high upside HS-er it shouldn’t have a chance to get in normal circumstances, thanks to teams already looking to jump on signability.

One other draft note, I’m sure the Rockies are very interested in Kyle Parker, as BA suggests, but he again seems more like a Comp. 1st round player. It’s not unheard of for players the Rockies are linked to heavily before the draft to be more likely later picks (see Rex Brothers). Kyle would probably be a more expensive Comp. 1 player because of his two sport status, but given the Rockies affinity for big, aggressive athletes (not to mention QB’s) I understand the interest.

by David OhNo on Jun 6, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, I agree with everything here.

I think it might be down to Allie or Covey as the two big HS names that could very well be available of those we’re talking about. Personally, I take Stetson Allie, if he’s available, but Covey’s sort of borderline for me depending on how signable he is. I’m higher on Renaudo and Hahn than you are, it seems, but share the same concerns with Wojciechowski. I don’t have any problem if the Rockies take either of those first two college arms or Harvey over Covey, but Allie I’d probably want.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm actually quite high on Hahn

but I’m afraid there’s a chance his injury concerns have come to a head today.

I’m with you on Allie over Covey, although I’d rather have Covey over the college arms we’ve discussed except Harvey. Harvey is really just a Rockies type of pitcher, with an explosive, wood bat shredding, grounder enducing, fastball. I’m still not convinced the Rockies go a Boras guy; I’m not disbelieving, it just remains to be seen.

My problem with Renaudo is that he’s a high floor, low ceiling player. Perhaps he has upside as a Lackey type, but I think he instead becomes a better Jon Garland, and that’s just not worth a 4-5 mil major league deal (speculating, of course).

Also as I type this, is anyone in the Miami-TAMU game going to get a base hit that stays in the yard?

Keith Law just linked the Rockies to Swagerty in the Supplemental round. I’d assume he’d be a slot sign type, which could lend more credence to the Rockies spending money in the first round if the pick warrants it.

by David OhNo on Jun 6, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was injury

This article notes that Hahn had to leave with a forearm strain while warming up in the fourth. The consistency of the ailment will make him untouchable for some teams, and may become a summer DFE.

by David OhNo on Jun 6, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's going to throw things off.

In a way, I like him more as a likely bargain, as I’m not nearly as afraid of first time TJ surgeries as some, but now you wonder if he’s going to be available for the 1s pick and if the Rockies would be better off taking that risk while drafting another player they like at #26.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Swagerty's okay as a late 1s

but given our injury history with bullpen prospects, I’d be afraid of signing if I were him. He’s a draft eligible sophomore, but like you, I’d probably assume that the Rockies scouts know that he’ll come in for an acceptable price. I know they’ve also been scouting Aaron Sanchez (per Mayo from MLB.com, who had them taking him at #26) and Gausman and Walter as local possibilities. Notably, I have yet to hear them connected to a position player for either of these picks.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

doh,

I guess Parker would be the exception to the no position player thing, I hadn’t read the BA write-up when I wrote that. I should have also added that I wonder if the quiet front on position prospects is just a front, and if they aren’t just trying to obscure who they’re really in on. Parker would make some sense, as they do seem to have a solid scouting foothold in the SAL states.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which means we'll take Austin Wilson...

I think Gausman could interest the Rockies in round two, as he’s likely to slide quickly once he fails to go in his bonus range. I could also see a possibility of the Rockies already having a hometown deal in place with Gausman, considering their reported interest by Keith Law. Should he be selected at 26, I’d probably be okay with that as well.

I’d say our sleeper pick would be Christian Colon (I know Boras guy). If he slides past the Reds, there may not be another solid landing slot for him other than San Francisco, and Colon could almost be the rare ML need type pick, as a second baseman who could move very quickly. If the Rockies could somehow get him signed before the deadline, he could begin his career as high as Modesto.

by David OhNo on Jun 6, 2010 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lineup is all shifted ahead one each for Helton, who is hitting 6th

CF Gonzalez
LF Smith
SS Tulowitzki
RF Hawpe
C Olivo
1B Helton
3B Stewart
2B Barmes
P Jimenez

by Greg Stanwood on Jun 6, 2010 11:16 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't mind it

I’d rather have the OBP guy in front of the power guy than vice versa.

by controlled_slide on Jun 6, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

or would you rather have the strikeout guy in front of the OBP guy

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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

The OBP guy behind the K/HR guy.

my increase the K/HR guy getting better pitches

Ubaldomania.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 6, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Meaning better pitches to hit?

Or better pitches from the pitchers standpoint? I’ve always wondered about this

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay that make sense.....

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

and maybe slide CarGo down to a RBI spot and put Tulo at the 2nd spot

Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez

by Colsportsfan on Jun 6, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

One high school player that's dropping into the late first round

according to FanHouse’s Frankie Piliere, is Pasadena right hand pitcher Dylan Covey. If he’s available to the Rockies, he might be one HS player that tempts them away from the college picks depending on how signable he is from his San Diego commitment.

The Rockies have been rumored to be interested in Toreros LHP Sammy Solis, too. Solis himself is dropping on boards and could conceivably be available to the Rockies with the #47 pick. If we do take Solis at #26, I’d be disappointed and see it as somewhat of an overdraft.

by Rox Girl on Jun 6, 2010 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Agree about Solis...

Good choice @ 47, bad one @ 26.

by Since1993 on Jun 6, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bryce Harper

Anybody happen to see the video of Bryce Harper’s ejection in his final college game on Wednesday? Terry Frei of the Post is doing a story on Harper, and he’s teased it a couple of times in his blog. He deleted his initial entry, but here’s the entry about Harper’s last game and the ejection.

The ejection was kinda ridiculous. The pitch is clearly in the right-handed batter’s box, and the ump called him out. Harper drew a line with his bat as he walked away, obviously showing the guy up, but I agree with Frei’s take on it. He shouldn’t have been ejected. When a call is that bad, the ump needs to know it, if you ask me.

Here’s the video of the ejection. Check out the catcher’s reaction when the umpire gives the thumb to Harper. It’s great.

I hate the Red Wings.

by wtnelson on Jun 6, 2010 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

According to my Dad.

He was ejected from the tournament after being thrown out in two seperate games.

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by Charlie77 on Jun 6, 2010 1:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The story in the Grand Junction paper said that he was ineligible to play in the 2 games following his ejection. Southern Nevada was eliminated the following day. He would have only been eligible to play in a final “extra” game, if it were needed.

I hate the Red Wings.

by wtnelson on Jun 6, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mentioned this in a thread the other day

but I was at that game. Got their late so we were out a ways in left field. But that pitch was clearly bad even from there. Which was a trend all night. The umpire, Don Gilmore, is one of these guys who likes to dance around like Enrico Palazzo when he calls a strikeout behind the plate, which you can see a bit of in that clip. I think that doesn’t go over well when you clearly blow the call, as he did there.

But Harper did draw a line in the dirt, which you can’t do. From that perspective he did deserve the ejection. But to also have him suspended for another game? Seems way too harsh, and that’s why I’m not a big fan of these mandatory penalties in this situation. The fact that he would have been suspended for a second game had his team survived that far made it even worse, as that would have been the national championship game, as it turned out. And apparently the first ejection of the year was a complete joke, at least according to a very good Jerry Crasnick column… http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2010/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=5248377

BTW, his team was ultimately eliminated on a walk-off HR in its next game by eventual champion Iowa Western.

by Junction Rox on Jun 7, 2010 1:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Happy Ubaldo day

hopefully we avoid a sweep today and head home and go 5-2 on the home stand and get going from there

TULO = 2010 MVP!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jun 6, 2010 12:31 PM MDT reply actions  

^38

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by Charlie77 on Jun 6, 2010 1:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 12:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Jim Tracy:
I’m not going to invent an infield for a guy that’s 10-1 with a .78 ERA

Please don’t for the rest of our starting pitchers either, Jim

Ubaldomania.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Jun 6, 2010 1:34 PM MDT reply actions  

heh

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
Quitter's People United Member #4

by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rockies Weekly Jim Tracy this morning..

“We have a very very special guy out there today….” hee

first very,very of the day

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess this is it

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
Quitter's People United Member #4

by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo....eww.....GIDP from the 3 hole....:(

Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Yep, proving y'all wrong
Todd Helton - Time for his ring to come true
Matt Daley - He's pretty good
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by SDcat09 on Jun 6, 2010 2:14 PM MDT reply actions  

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