2010 Rockies Draft Thread 1: Are Rockies centering in on Aaron Sanchez or Kyle Parker?
by Rox Girl on Jun 7, 2010 10:00 AM MDT
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PrintWe've had two prominent media outlets with sources in the know pointing the Rockies to California prep right hander Aaron Sanchez with the 26th pick in tonight's first round of the MLB amateur player draft. First MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo suggested the Rockies would pick Sanchez in his mock draft of a few days ago saying Rockies scouts were following the Pasadena pitcher closely, and today the Denver Post's Troy Renck echoed that sentiment including Sanchez along with Nick Castellanos, Virginia Tech RHP Jesse Hahn and local high school RHP Kevin Gausman, you can read more about Gausman here.
Jim Callis at Baseball America suggests that the Rockies might pick Clemson quarterback/OF Kyle Parker in his mock draft, which would follow a proud Rockies tradition of QB/sluggers that includes Todd Helton and Seth Smith. Working against Parker is that he's not a backup as a quarterback to a Manning brother. Callis brings up another wild card the Rockies could select in Cam Bedrosian, son of former major leaguer Steve Bedrosian. For now, until we get more confirmation about how heavily they're in on Bedrosian, I'm going to put him on a backburner, but keep him in mind.
With Hahn's injury becoming a problem again and shortening yesterday's start, it might be safe to move off him as a possibility for the #26 pick, but we should look to see if he slips to the Rockies supplemental selection at #47. DItto with Gausman, as it seems he's been slipping on most boards. So that seems to narrow the Rockies down to three key players barring a surprising drop of a more elite talent: Sanchez, Parker or Castellanos
Sanchez seems to be drawing first round interest from several clubs, and Parker's not likely to last until #47 either, but both could easily be available to the Rockies at #26. I don't think Nick Castellanos reaches the Rockies, as he (given who's been scouting him) could be picked by at least four teams between #14 and #24, the Brewers, Rangers, Red Sox or Giants, and I wouldn't rule out the Rays at #17 as a possibility either. The Giants in particular like him, and their pick at #24 would seem to be his floor barring a scenario that sees Ball State 2B/OF Kolbrin Vitek drop to them as well.
I'll update this thread with more as other mock drafts come out this afternoon, Mayo, MLB Bonus Baby's Andy Seiler and Fanhouse' Frankie Piliere all are going to have some for us today.
UPDATE (2:30 EDT):
The later mock drafts that have come out have the Rockies taking the Citadel's Asher Wojciechowski and HS 3B/OF Nick Castellanos. everybody seems to be indicating that the Rockies strategy right now is basically to wait and see who drops to them that's higher on their list.
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Pulling for Gausman for sentimental reasons (go Wolves!)… but man, I’d like to see this team go position-player heavy in the early rounds. We need some bats in the system, particularly in the corners.
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by prettyinpurple on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Both mocks have Castellanos sliding past the Rockies
If he’s there you can’t pass that up. I’d even say the same for Cowart but I know that’s a special case.
I won’t be dissapointed in Sanchez, but I don’t feel he’s as good as the other likely options. With Sanchez and A.J. Cole there is a lot of dreaming involved over present skills it seems, and I think you have to way that against more polished guys like Covey if you still have to go over slot.
We shouldn’t forget Stetson Allie either. I think he’s more likely to become Bronxton than Ryan, but it’s probably worth finding out yourself rather than passing him on.
Still think Parker interest is that of a Sup. guy, just don’t think the entire package makes him elite (if he gets bigger he’s first base only, does have some football bulk he could lose as well).
by David OhNo on Jun 7, 2010 10:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
So is he the guy we "should" be hoping for?
Its tough for me to get too behind any guy at this draft slot based on what I’ve read, but I’d love to have a few names to monitor and be excited about.
Here's my wishlist
some are based on hope more than possibility:
1. Karsten Whitson
2. Kaleb Cowart
3. Nick Castellanos
4. Matt Harvey
5. Stetson Allie
6. Dylan Covey
7. Brett Eibner
8. Brandon Workman
Now, some or all of these guys could be gone by, 26, but these names appear to be very volatile and I’d pop the best available in this order.
cool, thanks
slow day at work, this will give me a nice reading list…
I would be higher on Eibner and Allie, a bit lower on Whitson much lower on Workman
I’d add Bryce Brentz and Ranaudo to my list instead
Really don't like Brentz
Don’t like college corner guys in general, really don’t like one that may not match the athleticism we should require of our corner guys. The floor is too low here. I do have Ryan LaMarre pretty high on my list, though.
Not a huge fan of Ranaudo, but wouldn’t mind if he’s the pick because of how many people that do like him. It’s ok if I’m wrong on players a time or two.
I like what I've seen of his bat,
It’s similar to how I felt about Boesch a few years ago (cherry picking one I happened to be right on, obviously, rather than one of my misses).
What about Gary Brown? BA likes him, he seems to have wheels and some line drive skill, what do you think of him? I like him, but given that we have Wheeler and Blackmon already, I’m sort of staying away from that type and looking for more certain power threats.
I haven't seen/looked for video of his new swing.
His summer video shows that goofy dance move he does in the box. I’m generally not a fan of speed only types, and as a Boras guy, he’ll at least be slightly above slot. I suppose I could get into him, but I’ve prefer an outfielder with a little more offensive potential, like a Ryan LaMarre. I think I’ve grown to like the Wheeler-Blackmon type of being at least average at every tool, more than the one or two real plus ones. It keeps the floor higher.
Eibner
Do you like Eibner for the Rockies as a bat or an arm?
Arm
I’ve seen him live doing both. His bat has the upside of a .275 AVG and 20-25 homers, but I think the arm will throw 92-95 free and easy, with hard sinking action. Wouldn’t care if he did either with the Rockies. Big fan of him, really.
Jon Heyman
has us taking Cowart at 26. FWIW.
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Based on the "Matzek Factor"
I believe it was Law saying this morning he’s asking for $3 million. If he and the Rockies are willing to do the “Casey Kelly” development plan, I think $3 mil as a ceiling is a pretty fair deal for a talent like Cowart.
I agree,
I don’t know how interested the Rockies are in Cowart, but he’d be very high on my list of targets. I see drafting him and Castellanos in a similar boat as we had with Matzek last season. I think both are expressing more interest in college with their statements than their actions suggest, I think both would ultimately drop off their price demands with a decent first round offer.
Goldstein at BP just posted his final mock, with Colorado taking Cowart
26. Colorado Rockies: Again hoping for something to fall to them, the Rockies won’t find a guy like Tyler Matzek this year, but Kaleb Cowart’s asking price has him slipping, and he’s a steal at 26 if Colorado is willing to drop the coin.
Pick: Kaleb Cowart, 3B/RHP, Cook County HS (GA)
Stand by your man.
Yeah, I can't tell if they're underestimating the interest in Castellanos,
or if I’m overestimating it. I just don’t think the Giants make the decision to pop Cabrera or Gyorko instead. I know they like both players well enough, but I’m really thinking those guys are the fallbacks because they didn’t know if Castellanos would be available to them. The Rangers also according to multiple reports have more money budgeted for the draft than both Mayo and Callis seem to believe. Given a stated desire to add athletic position players, I really think they’re a strong bet for Castellanos at either of their picks.
If he does drop to the Rockies, I think he’s a very good possibility of getting drafted by us, I just really don’t see it happening.
Regardless of who does/doesn't fall to us,
I really think the Rockies feel strongly about taking the best player available this time around, regardless of position or signability. I say this based on a few interviews/articles I’ve read, neither of which I have the time to chase down to link.
This makes me feel good.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jun 7, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions
Every team says that, every year
It’s used to both placate casual fans and obscure a team’s targets from the competition. I think it’s always the intent, it’s the execution we’re concerned with.
for what it is worth
I read the Diamondbacks are targeting pitching in the first found explicitly.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 7, 2010 11:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ooh, can they select a reliever?
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He'd be a huge improvement.
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stupid touchy mousepad
made me post a reply before it was finished (since deleted so don’t try responding).
Short story, “best player available” is often a calculated misnomer that’s rendered meaningless by the way teams choose to define each of those terms.
Like the NFL Draft.
Player A is widely hailed as a great selection for a team at the end of the first round. Player B is not as widely regarded, but he fits the system run by the coach better than Player A.
Who’s the BPA for said coach?
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exactly,
A front office could view a shortstop as the BPA because he’s an asset on D while leaving a legitimate power bat aside. Maybe somebody feels the BPA’s a reliever that reaches triple digits because his FB’s better than a #3 starter that’s also there. Maybe it gets used to take a polished, low ceiling college player over a high upside high schooler. It’s just too vague a term to make me feel happy when it’s used in connection with the draft.
In either case it would not have been Tim Tebow...
Sorry, the Parker Pic initially caused a nasty association for an instant.
Overreach on Chance Ruffin, Bruce's kid.
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Piliere in his chat says that his latest mock will have Castellanos dropping out of the 1st round
altogether because of his high bonus demands. Several teams, including the Rockies that are espousing “best player available” lines might be getting caught in a lie, if this is the case.
And his draft has us taking Wojciechowski
The significant part of it is that he says the team’s in a wait and see mode, which definitely fits their MO from the past couple of drafts.
Ugh
I could be dead wrong on his fastball, but between the rented mule workload and straight heater, I just can’t get behind this.
I wouldn't be thrilled either unless there's something we don't know
Such as that he has a two seamer he just doesn’t throw or something. I’d much rather have Eibner and he’d be available and affordable (unlike Castellanos) in this scenario.
Agree...low upside.
Why grab up one of the least impressive college arms when there still more talent out there?
Seiler's answered a couple of Purple Row regulars questions
Mostly the same names sans Sanchez: Parker, Gausman and Eibner, with an added mention of Dylan Covey as somebody who could drop to us.
We better not pick him then
I don’t want to read touted reports on him post-draft if they aren’t believed pre-draft
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jun 7, 2010 12:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Mayo has the Rockies taking Castellanos in his latest mock.
I like that very much, I just still find it incredible that he’d be available.
Mayo was just on MLB.com's preview show, talking about Asher W.
Listed Rockies has a possibility still as well.
by Greg Stanwood on Jun 7, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I know we've scouted him,
I definitely wouldn’t downplay the Rockies interest in him, I just don’t feel all that comfortable with the pick, call it Greg Reynolds Syndrome.
It looks like Mayo is thinking he goes a lot earlier anyway,
And, at the very least in regards to Reynolds syndrome, at least this isn’t a #2 pick. :D
by Greg Stanwood on Jun 7, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Funny you used Greg Reynolds Syndrome
I almost coined Chaz Roe Syndrome in discussing Aaron Sanchez, but later canned it.
That's probably somewhat apt, actually
Like Roe, he’s a bit of a promising blank slate. Honestly, I wish I knew more about Sanchez. Given the interest of the Red Sox and Marlins, it seems he’s high on the charts of a couple of teams that have better track records than we do with HS players, so in that I’m a little optimistic, but there are definitely some lingering doubts surrounding taking him.
Piliere in his chat has said that the Rockies are "definitely not in on Stetson Allie"
He’s quite adamant about that, so we can probably cross one name off the higher ranked players players dropping into our range.
oops, that's a misquote in the quotation marks
his exact words are:
Rockies not interested in Stetson Allie. Contrary to some rumors out there, I’m told he is absolutely not in their mix
I don't know where he got his "rumors"
I hope it’s not from yesterday’s thread where a few of us talked about how we’d personally like it if Allie was the pick. That’s hardly a rumor of Rockies interest and I haven’t really seen anything else that attaches the team to him.
Oh, well that would be a rumor. And it makes sense now.
I don’t have insider (Sorry, I know I’m bad), so I had no clue that’s what Law said. Law and Piliere have been having a sort of “a report by an unnamed idiot has said something one of my sources says is completely untrue” spat so this makes sense. Law ripped Piliere’s assertion that the A’s were at one point interested in Zach Cox via Twitter in this way, this is probably payback
Good idea, maybe. The only Rockies related answer so far
is that the Rockies are just one of two teams (the other being the Yanks) looking at Parker as a first round pick. Since both are near the back of the first round, that probably sounds worse than it really is.
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Piliere must not have read Nick Piecoro
As he’s shocked that the D-backs aren’t interested in Pomeranz. This was reported by Piecoro two weeks ago when the Snakes were in Denver.
Huh
I had no idea that Bryce Harper was Mormon. You’d think I would have heard that by now.
(Not that this matters in any way or that anyone cares. I just find these things interesting as Mormon myself.)
It's not actually required.
Just strongly encouraged.
A lot of guys never went, like Steve Young, etc.
Sort of a technicality
I am not a Mormon but having known quite a few of them I have noticed that the pressure to go on a mission is immense.
The religion might not require it but the community pretty much does, IMO.
There is a lot of pressure.
Part of that is cultural and probably differs by family/community/region (i.e., it’s probably different in Utah than out). And part of it is that while not a requirement, no one wants it to be seen strictly as “optional.” So it’s an effort to not make it so casual that people would start thinking it’s not important, and is just “if I feel like it” or “if it’s convenient” (which it never really is). But I think it sort of depends on the person.
I’ve had family members (not immediate) who didn’t go on missions. And while there was certainly disappointment, there was no judging or shunning or anything going on.
yep
your alma mater has an interesting HS recruit from Arizona that could get drafted pretty early tomorrow named Jaycob Brugman, he’s probably the best prep player in AZ and is also Mormon.
And along the lines of Muzia's question above
I wonder if there’s been any indication from Brugman about potential mission plans. It would seem to me like if a kid did want to serve a mission, college would be more conducive to that rather than the minors. He’d end up being old for his level and it would probably hurt his draft position some, but if a kid really felt like he should go, then college would make the most sense.
It did not hurt Cale Iorg
as much, but it did pretty much hurt his development. Losing those two years of development time at that age is a big deal baseball-wise. Won’t ever fault someone for making that choice, though, there are more important things in this world other than baseball.
It would be a difficult choice, for sure.
I don’t envy any of these athletes making these decisions (and it’s not just in baseball, college basketball and football players also have a tough decision).
not just athletes,
I know concert musicians that are Mormon who have been in the same boat, basically any field where constant practice in the craft for years and years and a person is faced with a peak age clock makes it very tricky.
That's a very good point.
I wonder if there’s also a perception issue that they face (or at least the fear of there being a perception issue). That is, they worry that people will think they’re not as committed, or that there’s no way they can get back into form after two years off.
Harper is going pro
From what I read about him the other day his decision is to go pro as soon as possible, unless he doesn’t get a deal done with the Nationals. Scott Boras is his agent, so it’s always possible. He left school when he was sophmore and got his GED. Since then he’s been focusing on baseball with Southern Neveda.
Sorry, everyone might know all that sense his all the big talk.
We were talking about Brugman
I think everybody from here to Timbuktu knows that Harper’s going pro.
Actually, I've sort of wondered myself if this could be why we don't hear more about him
if scouts know he’s committed to going on a mission, pro clubs would pass until he gets back like they did with Cale Iorg a few seasons back.
Does anyone know around what time the Rockies are likely to make their picks?
I’m trying to gauge what time to leave work. I tried to find out for sure how much time per pick, but I failed (and probably didn’t try very hard).
I want to know this too
great question
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I would guess a little after 9:00 EDT for the first pick,
Last year we were talking about Randall Grichuk (#24) an hour and forty-five minutes after Strasburg got selected, so that seems right. The next pick would be about an hour and fifteen minutes after that if the timing remains about the same.
I might just be saying this to make you feel better,
but there’s a possibility that tonight’s draft could drag out longer than usual given how up in the air it seems to be from the fourth pick on. Teams might have to take a little more time between picks if some of these tweets are true.
thank you very much
I should be able to see the pick at home then
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