Monday Rockpile: Jorge Cantu is not versatile
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintRecent trade rumors and beat sheets have the Rockies linked to Florida Marlins 3B Jorge Cantu. I really wish they didn't.
Let's look at the pros and cons.
Pros:
Jorge Cantu likely will be inexpensive for trade as far as return in prospects go. That's a good thing, I can't imagine him drawing more than a B-lister or two.
Jorge Cantu is right handed.
Jorge Cantu is slightly better at hitting LHP than he is at hitting RHP. Also, he is posting a .203 ISO v LHP. That's some decent "pop".
Jorge Cantu is taller than Melvin Mora. This suggests he'd be a better receiver at 1B, I suppose.
Jorge Cantu is a gap hitter.
Cons:
While Cantu can play 1B and 3B, he's pretty awful at both. This does not equate to versatility. This equates to fantasy eligibility.
Cantu is being paid $6M this season. Add $1.8M to that and you have Dan Uggla's salary. Not that drastic of a difference.
Cantu's season line places him at 97 wRC+: slightly above average v LHP, slightly below v RHP.
While I guess that Florida plays toward pitchers, Cantu hasn't posted an OPS above .800 since 2008.
Considering that Cantu will be starting at 1B or 3B v LHP to alleviate handedness splits, the swing from RHP to LHP isn't really that drastic.
Also, since when does poor defensive play at multiple positions insinuate "versatility"?
More past the jump.
So here's the deal. Cantu will provide right-handed Pop to the lineup. Problem with that is that he hasn't really hit for enough power to really sell me on that Pop since 2008 either. I get that he can do it v LHP, I'm just not that blown away. Basically, Cantu really hasn't been all that great since 2008. Not a fan.
What makes it worse that we're linked to him is that he's a right-handed corner-infield backup who can't really field well and is generally unimpressive.
Sound familiar?
I'm not interested in giving up ANY prospect depth to pick up a guy like Jorge Cantu considering that he's pretty much redundant to Melvin Mora and the step up from Cantu to Mora isn't so night-and-day that it's a no-brainer to make the move. If we're going to make a move of this nature, why don't we just go after someone who is a legitimate upgrade?
Rockies won't hold back Tulowitzki || Jim Armstrong, Denver Post
Tulo is with the team in Florida, but he might be jumping to leave on a rehab assignment. Helton's bat speed is showing signs of life. When Anibal Sanchez and Ubaldo Jimenez square off in Florida, boy, won't that be awkward for Miguel Olivo? It'd be like having dinner with your girlfriend and ex at the same time.
Reds put a halt to Herrera's hitting streak after 13 games || Jim Armstrong, Denver Post
Sucks that it ended, but yaaay for Johnny!
Colorado Rockies at Florida Marlins tidbits || Tracy Ringolsby, Inside the Rockies
Series preview notes. You can read more of this kind of stuff in Know Your Foe, but it's always fun to see what the beat has to say about it.
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Pro-Uggla caught up :(
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by UZ on Jul 19, 2010 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Multi computer time.
Time to RIG this
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by A.J. Haefele on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions
This is unfortunate
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I had to think about it, but I voted against Uggla.
If it was just a matter of Uggla on the team or not, I’d vote for him. I think his offense would definitely help this team. However, I don’t think he’s worth the prospects he’d require. In the overall picture, I don’t think that the difference between him and Barmes over a third of a season is great enough to justify trading the prospects Florida would want.
I guess that's where your definition of "made available, and feasibly"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I felt like there need to be a third option.
I voted yes because I’m not against him, really. But I’m probably edging more toward ambivalent than anything. And I’d be pretty picky about what we had to give up for him.
Cantu = Mora
Uggla > Mora
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 19, 2010 7:43 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
So, we're talking him as a replacement for Mora
Has the Hawpe at 1B experiment been declared over yet?
I thought it was about Uggla v Barmes. I’m very confused.
Oh, which one is cuter?
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I’m of the opinion that hawpe’s bat won’t justify the playing time.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
especially when Giambi is posting over a 1.000 OPS the past month
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Considering Hawpe is still recovering from his rib injury
I’m not sure he was that terrible. Do you think Giambi is a defensive upgrade at first over Hawpe?
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Giambi has said he can't play every day.
And a constant rotation of Hawpe, Mora, Eldred, and Iannetta (maybe) bothers me. I’d like to see some stability.
I’d be willing to go with Hawpe and see how he adjusts at the plate, make it his for a while. I thought he played well enough to get a shot.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I suppose Eldred is just keeping a seat warm until we make a move.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Debatable. Hawpe looked good at 1B but he’ll have to prove that he can overcome his notorious 2nd half suckery to rationalize his PT. I acknowledge he’s gotten a raw deal thus far, but we need to play the guys who are hitting now, which includes Iannetta and Giambi.
We talked about this on the podcast, but to reiterate: a sans-Helton lineup (for the time being) should feature Giambi 2 games out of 3 until he too falls off and that 3rd game should be an Eldred/Hawpe splits platoon.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:45 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
And by should I mean “probably is”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
but we need to play the guys who are hitting now,
Good call, Jim.
Hawpe is just an enigma to me I reckon. I don’t think you’re going to get any good production from him AT ALL if he just plays 1-2 games a week. I think he really needs to be in the regular mix to “find his swing.” But with the outfield depth the way it is, one o-fer game and he’s out.
But first is a different situation. i’d say let’s plug him in, give him some time and see what happens.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what I'm getting at...
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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I check out this Brad Hawpe thing with a few female Rox fans I know...
both family and non-family and while my results are more anecdotal than scientific, I can conclude that yes, Brad Hawpe is indeed, so cute.
I also concur about playing him regularly at first base, At least give him a stretch a’ games there. See what he does, anyway…
Go Bruce!
There's a joke behind the soo cute comment..
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Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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It started with some commentary during a game thread or a rockpile
and morphed from there. I’ve actually changed it already.: But you should vote in PIP poll for Hawpe!
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Hawpe's going to be fine defensively at first. Not a Todd level, but decent enough.
The question is “will he have enough offense”. Now granted he’s going to be an upgrade over Todd for this year but is he the long term answer? I’m not sure we’ll know unless he gets significant starts there and can settle in.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Uggla*
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Mora is so freaking underrated on this baseball team.
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 19, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I rather agree with you
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Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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Not as underrated as Cantu is being described.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
See ATF's post below.
It’s 100% correct.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Cantu’s different from Mora in one rather obvious category – power. Cantu’s got 34 XBH including 10 HR this year. 10 is also the number of XBH that Mora has. Granted we’re talking about 200 fewer ABs for Melvin, but still, if I had to pick one of the two to play on my team I’d probably pick Cantu. We need pop from the right side.
Speaking of which, how about giving Iannetta a start at first base this series? Just a thought while we continue to wait for Brad Hawpe to do anything other than his ‘left-handed hitting Ryan Spilborghs’ impression. Didn’t you use to be All-Star Brad Hawpe?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Funny thing about being an All-Star. All-Stars will always
have that on their resume.
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Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
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Unless they make errors in the all star game.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Still on the resume. Kuo and Uggla are still All-Stars even if they sucked that day and suck forever.
That said I still don’t think Uggla is a better option than what we have currently.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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Uggla (is an) All-Stars. I….think Uggla is a better option than what we have currently.
—SDcat09
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
what? not cool to misquote me at all...not cool
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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he didn't misquote you
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He created an entirely different quote using my words.
This is not how the game is played here. But maybe the rules have changed.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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He created….the game….the rules have changed.
Well the game is the game, I’m just a soldier.
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
cool….all….cool
—SDcat09
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
A: .283/.845/16/52
B: .259/.720/7/42
C: .270/.800/5/32
Yeah, this looks pretty cut and dried to me.
Also, I don’t hate Brad Hawpe. I would just like to see him get a hit every now and again. Maybe hit the ball over the fence for a change.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Those two injuries were timed just perfectly for him to not rediscover his power swing. Sad, really.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think you hated him.
I was just pointing out that injury occurred as the 2nd half began. And that with a bit more playing time, his swing will likely come back.
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Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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this is OT. Please move it to the OT Thread.
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Talking about the OT thread out of the OT thread is OT, please move this comment chain to the OT thread
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by UZ on Jul 19, 2010 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like
Florida pulled a classic “bait and switch” move on us.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Noooooo Dan O’Dowd is savvy
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like Florida doesn't really know what they're doing.
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Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
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I is against any trading for platoon pieces.
Which by reading the above, it sounds like Cantu would be just for hitting against lefties.
I like late season trades to be all about the impact, not kinda, well, ok, meh.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 8:27 AM MDT reply actions
Precisely. We already have plenty of meh.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 8:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I really love this part of the baseball season. Two weeks to the trading deadline.
Who get’s moved, which teams are buyers, which teams are sellers. Love it Love it Love it.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Wow, Uggla is killing on the poll.
Unless its another fruad…
/just kidding! Sarcasm off.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 8:48 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
It’s almost as though people think having a 30-homer middle infielder and a right-handed power bat would be a good thing. Can’t imagine why anybody would think that.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Especially since Barmes has rediscovered his infield flyball swing!
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by BittenAnkles on Jul 19, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Me neither.
Its the strangest thing.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 8:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the poll is worded wrong -
it’s sort of a fantasy question – if we could Uggla for just about nothing – sure we will take him.
It’s when the true cost comes around that folks start having issues with him.
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So here's the true question.....What would you give up to get Uggla?
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Klondike bar?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Giving up a Klondike bar is worse than giving up
Chacin…but I would not give either of those…
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Not Chacin/Friedrich/Matzek. But any other combination of two or three prospects I think I’d be OK with. There’s the rub, though – can’t imagine the Marlins not wanting one of those three. But if we could get Uggla for, say, Rosario/Nicasio, or Nelson/Pacheco/pitcher, I think you gotta do it.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
that is exactly where
I am at. IF they want to we could thrown in morales to sweeten the pot.
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If Morales get it figured out in short order in AAA, would you want him back?
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I think
he needs a change of scenery where he is going to know what his role is going to be. He isn’t going to get that here – not with our depth.
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i concur.
It’s one of those cases where you root for the player, not the team. Morales’ value is very low right now, but you hope that if he goes to another team, he can turn it around. He’s still young.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
I wouldn't bring him back this season
and risk wasting another of his options.
Question for anyone: If Morales comes back up this season, is no good, and is no good next spring, does he have to be assigned or optioned to the minors to start next year? Also, if he does not come up the rest of this year, what are the mechanics of starting him in AAA next year?
He has already been optioned this year
No more options would be burned if he were promoted and optioned again. An option year includes unlimited options in that given year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
did not know it worked that way
Thanks. If he’s sent to AAA after Spring Training ’11, would that require the use of an option?
im pretty sure it would since hes on the 40 man
but andrew or jeff or wolf would know the definite answer
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, though this year burned his final option year of the three given
So it would actually require putting him on waivers. An arm like that wouldn’t make it through, so we would be forced to trade him, just like Tampa Bay did with Jason Hammel.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
No.
For me I guess its one of those irrational dislike things again.
I have a grudge against Morales. I know I should probably get over it, but…
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 9:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that really likely?
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
If the value Uggla like they are leading us to believe
by saying he’s not on the trade block, then either he’s really not on the trade block, or they are attempting to up the ante. Thus, I don’t see them accepting anything less than Chacin/Friedrich/Matzek. Which is too steep.
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The trade deadline is two weeks out, so everybody’s just posturing at this point. I wouldn’t put any stock into what teams are publicly saying and certainly not using those statements to draw assumptions about a player’s value.
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Playing devils advocate
Why not trade Friedrich? He’s been injury prone and his secondary stuff has been meh at the AA level. At this point I seriously doubt if he even could be a #2 in the majors, and his downside is he turns into Greg Reynolds.
you can't compare Friedrichs injury history to Reynolds. It's not even close.
And Friedrich has #1 potential with that nasty curve. Are we all forgetting how dominant he was last season, and his inconsistency this season is injury related. No chance we give up on the guy
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he's been shut down twice with elbow soreness
Are you telling me that isn’t a TJ waiting to happen (not that you can’t recover from that)? And DavidOhNo has said a couple of times that his offspeed pitches need work. And how does using a guy to make a blockbuster deal equate to “Giving up on him?”
our organization doesn't trade away high ceiling arms, we just don't
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Its just the truth
that left handedness matters too, so he has that as another reason why we should not give up on him, meaning trade or otherwise.
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I don't advocate trading Friedrich for Uggla
but I wouldn’t lose much sleep over it either, for the reasons you mention. THe only thing worse than trading a future stud is not trading a future bust.
I agree
What I’ve heard of Friedrich makes me fear he’ll never get to, or at least never be effective, major league level. I could live with trading him for the right piece.
I don't think we trade any prime pitching prospects
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Agree....
Do you trade Barmes for Uggla straight up?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
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Tough call. How important is Barmey's glove?
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It is in no way shape or form a tough call.
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I would say
before tulo gets back it is a tough call. We need that glove on the field until he gets back.
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there are a dozen guys with elite level gloves and no pop in AAA
Barmes may not even get another contract after this year from us and has ZERO trade value.
Uggla is a middle of the lineup bat with an average glove. This isn’t even a question.
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So who would you
drop into the SS position until Tulo gets back?
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Herrera has played an awful lot at SS in his career and would be above average glove
if we are looking at two weeks until Tulo returns, Herrera + Uggla >>>>>> Herrera + Barmes
and then Tulo + Uggla makes me grin from ear to ear
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you win this round muzia....
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But does Uggla make Tulo grin from ear to ear?
Tulo LOVES defense.
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Yeah, I’m sure Tulo’s going to be all “Man, that guy can rake but he made a couple errors that everybody remembers, so I don’t want that loser on MY team.”
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
If Uggla fails to turn the fast double plays that Barmey and Tulo
turn it could be a problem….just wondering about it.
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Well, double play chemistry takes time to develop no matter how good the new keystone partner is. It’s part of the job – you adjust to the new guy and move on.
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Uggla is an AVERAGE GLOVE ARGHHGRHGHRGGRH
seriously, why do you hate a guy who hits 30 bombs a year and hits 15% above league average in the middle of the infield
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I'm dumb
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honestly, I would love to hear the rationale besides
a) ERRORZ in all star game
b) he’s not our guy
c) he’ll cost something
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Honestly, that is my opinion
It’s not errors in the ASG only. We had this debate before. Given our groundballing pitchers etc, I would much prefer a fully reliable glove at 2B.
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fully reliable glove
If there ever has one that’s played baseball, it’d be the first I’ve heard of it.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd say Barmes is pretty damn close.
I didn’t 100% perfect. I said fully reliable. But I’m old school, in that to my mind, 2B and SS don’t have to be super power hitters hit 40 dingers a year.
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but when our 1B isnt a power hitter we need to look elsewhere for power
In all likelyhood Tulo will not hit for much power when he gets back so getting a huge dose of power from 2b will be extremely helpful.
plus uggla kills LHP which is a huge bonus
I'd start up the whole fallacy that certain positions HAVE to hit a certain way
but I think we ended up confusing ourselves during that one more than made cogent points.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
But isn't it true, that
certain positions like SS, 2B and catcher aren’t thought of historically having to bring the power?? Catcher maybe less so.
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the reason is that you look for guys who can properly field their positions
at C, SS, and CF
Defense comes first there, bat second (to a point), so to have Tulo be a .850 OPS hitter is just gravy.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, guys like Utley don't come around very often.
but what Muzia’s getting at, and I agree, is that you’ll get more value over the course of the season with a great bat and moderately good defense than a stellar defense and good-only-when-it’s-on-fire bat.
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don't disagree there
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No, but he is this guy, but with some power
My favorite middle infielder growing up…as I recall, the O’s won a couple World Series with him in the lineup…
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
All I'm saying is, Belanger was....
….a really awesome infielder.
An awful lot of the O’s success was due to their infield defense.
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oh, true enough
I wasn’t mocking you or anything
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
hey, Cat guess what
Barmes career fielding % is .971
Uggla’s career % is .980
Whats the argument again?
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How about in the past 3 years?
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comes in 2 season blocks on B-R
Barmes: around .981% with 20 errors
Uggla: around .980% with 26 errors
So you are telling me that 6 errors over 2 seasons is enough to pass on a guy who hits above league average consistently the entire season and is a middle of the lineup right handed bat?
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I dunno..I've gotta think about it..
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I don't know why I get baited into these
Cat has clearly made up her mind, and we’re trying to persuade her of something she’s not open to.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
hey dude I've got her thinking
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No you don't.
I used the fielding % on day 1…and it didn’t make a dent in the anti-Uggla crowd.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
yeah but I somehow have credibility around here
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shhhh
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but but but Ringolsby sz there have been no discussions
since December
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean he's wrong
No one from the club’s confirmed we’re looking at Uggla….could just be Cantu, as bad as that would be.
And, it also doesn’t mean there’s been any discussions (yet)
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey we could be looking at Josh Johnson too!
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Our Johnson for their Johnson
straight up. DOOOOOOOO EEEEEEET!
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
So a Rockie Johnson
for a Fish Johnson…
hmmmm
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Can there ever really be too many
Johnsons?
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by SDcat09 on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
come on this post needs to be highlighted for all to see
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Done
Just need one more, people! :)
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo wouldn't be nearly enough for Johnson
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continue eating your digusting Mike & Ikes
and rethink your position
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why? he's younger, also costcontrolled and ungodly good two years running
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Seriously, you'd trade Ubaldo?
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I'm saying that's what Florida would start with
if we were discussing Josh Johnson.
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I know. I'm asking you
would you trade Ubaldo for Johnson?
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Don't make me consider this question
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Oh come on....
do it!!!!
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if we are talking strictly players, deacs nailed it
Yeah.
I love Ubaldo’s work ethic though
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I thought Johnson was turning 26?
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Ubaldo's contract is already VERY team friendly
And he’s under control as long as Johnson.
Johnson’s arb numbers will be much higher than Ubaldo’s salary the next couple years, I think.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
So, today, if the phone
rings offering Ubaldo for Johnson, you make the trade?
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Wait, NM
Ubaldo’s 2013 year is cheaper, plus he has a very affordable 2014 option. The age is a wash, and the money is in Ubaldo’s favor.
The only case to be made is that Johnson might be the better pitcher over 10-15 years.
No, I wouldn’t trade Ubaldo. However, in a vacuum, I think the Marlins would do the deal.
johnson has had injury issues in the past though
im not trading ubaldo for pretty much anyone in baseball including johnson, strasburg, halladay, timmy, etc.
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
nah
Ubaldo’s our guy and he’s cheaper for now. Plus, he’s pretty awesome. I’, just saying it would take Ubaldo + to trade for Johnson
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But it's a net payroll decrease for the Marlins
so that’s their +. Plus, there’s the racial component.
what?
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racial? huh?
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I assume the idea
is that a hispanic player might be more popular in the heavily hispanic Florida market?
I’m not endorsing or disputing the idea, just giving my interpretation.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
The Denver area
Is pretty stocked up on Hispanics, too. I was just on Federal Blvd. today and I seen ’em.
Go Bruce!
Johnson is white, Ubaldo is Latino
South Florida is heavily Latino. I’d have to imagine that the Marlins FO would consider the possibility of having Ubaldo-Hanley out in front of the organization enticing.
I hate to say it
but I doubt Florida would do that move straight up, so he probably wouldn’t be nearly enough. (neatly dodges the question of whether or not we should :) )
And I think you have confused the awesome Mike N’ Ike with the revolting Good & Plenty…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I find them both revolting
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yes that's me...I HATE everyone
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same here :)
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How does their range compare?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
The problem with fielding%...
Guys with more range get to more balls = more total chances =more errors. Uggla = Ronnie Belliard with a glove of slightly softer tin. Johnny Herrera = Rafiael Belliard with a more consistant swing.
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where does Barmey land in this scenario?
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Barmes has better range
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I'd rather have Uggla at first or third
I know he would rather play 2nd but we’d be better off in that scenario IMO
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uggla over barmes makes us far better off than uggla over stewart
1B is a giant mess so idk what the situation there is but my guess is that Uggla probably plays at most as good of 1B as our current players so Uggla over Barmes makes us better off than Uggla over Hawpe/Giambi/Iannetta/Mora
Every freaking day of the freaking week and twice on Sunday.
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in fact, the idea is so ludicrous that Florida would laugh at the idea until the Winter Meetings
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And while they're busy laughing we can kidnap Uggla
BAM!
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right
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you don't really think
Florida would even think (for a second) about that offer, do you?
no. But Barmes/Rogers/someone else? Probably doable
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No. No it is not doable.
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OK. so what would you think is doable?
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I’m not going to repeat myself, it’s up the thread.
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you'd rather give up Nelson than Barmes?
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
that Barmes inclusion would matter to them at all. I’m not arguing about whether a trade is possible. If we added him to any deal, I’m sure they’d make us pay his remaining salary. This is a non-starter, no trade for Uggla will involve Barmes.
which actually i'm fine with
two power guys in the middle infield (maybe, we’ll see what Tulo is like) with Barmy, who is more versitile off then bench than almost anyone else….that’s aces in my book.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh yes.
Barmes isn’t starting-caliber. He could be one of the best utility guys in the game though.
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there's no way
nobody trades for an all-glove-questionable bat middle infielder
at least not in the context we’re talking about here
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes they do...
As lesser included players for teams with bad D. As for Cantu he was drafted as one of those “toolsy” but no experience kind of guys. He has done most of his learning at the major league level.
It’s enlightening to realize how mess’d up the DRays were that they brought this no experience guy up as a SS and proceeded to kick him all around the diamond hopeing he’d find a natural position. They then trade him to Florida where he has been platooned at 1B and 3b most of the time untill this year not knowing which side of the diamond he was going to play.
When I suggested Cantu weeks ago it was in the knowledge that the Rox were going to be without The Todd we know and love. MGT was not playing Hawpe and Ianetta at 1B and was not looking to. Eldred was not considered by many (esp Rox Girl) to be a viable option. Giambi’s batting average at the time was microscopic. Few were on the Mora bandwagon and we see how his being small made fore more errant throws.
I mentioned Cantu as the cheapest viable option for these strengths that the Rox have shown considerable weakness. (A) He hits late; thrives on bull pens. (B) He hits most often with runners on. Actually drives in a higher number of runners from first with two outs than a lot of the leagues’s premiere hitters.
I know he’s a tin glove but did not think it matters as much on the corners as Uggla’s more expensive tin glove up the middle . Uggla also has a reputation as a malcontent. Cantu has grown out of it.
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My stance on Cantu has not changed
and Uggla’s reputation as a malcontent is linked to his reputation for calling out Hanley Ramirez for being an extremely talented diva. Sounds like a good teammate to me.
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Yep. And as we know, Hanley needs some calling out from time to time.
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It's pretty sweet when
you have to throw in “non sarcasm” tags
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I wasn't being sarcastic either. Uggla strikes me as someone similar
to Tulo who will get on someone’s butt if they aren’t trying. And that’s a good thing. Shows the guy wants to win.
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I agree that it's a good thing to get on someone if they are
dogging it. But if he’s refusing position changes even if it helps his team, that seems like a bad deal
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guess I'm not aware of his stance. If so, I agree.
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whose team?
Last time I checked Uggla plays for the Florida Marlins
I’m sure his mindset would change if he was traded.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe not....
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Not according to this piece
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-uggla111309
"Danny Uggla’s been a full-time second baseman for the last four years," he said. "He’s performed exceptionally well at that position. Although he has the athleticism to play other positions, he’s performed remarkably over these four years at second base and there should be no reason to consider a position change at this time."
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I don't see the part in there where it mentions his mindset changing if he was traded
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If you read the entire piece,
it is discussing his trade value by refusing to change positions. I’m still researching…
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You also have to qualify it
since it’s coming from his agent, and his agent’s job is to maximize Uggla’s value. Playing 2B (even if his defense is mediocre) is where the maximum value comes from Uggla.
That’s factual, and this team needs a 2B. It’s not necessarily a problem.
to be fair this was from Nov 13, 2009
so maybe he’s softened his position…
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that's a quote from November and from his agent.
Doesn’t seem to me that it’s proof he wouldn’t play another position
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
He has also threatened to pull a Manny if removed from 2B...
" They are not going to do a “Soriano” to me!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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Didn't he also complain that he wouldn't play 1B
if asked? Considering how the Rox move players around quite a bit…this seems problematic
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
*whistles inconspicuously*
/listens to STP some more
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I posted above
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A quote from his agent
which is different than what Soriano, other have done.
That quote has more to do with earning Uggla more in arbitration raises than Uggla not wanting to move to another position.
Even so, this quote from his agent does seem to indicate
an unwillingness to take a different position, regardless of why he’s unwilling to do so.
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a chance to go to the WS? That might be enough of a reason
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
maybe...
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Help me understand
Uggla commits three errors in a meaningless game in 2008, and an uproar about his defense ensues. Meanwhile, most defensive metrics suggest his D is no worse than slightly below average. Subject to any measurement, his defense doesn’t merit the storm that the ASG brought on.
Meanwhile, the press’s feeding frenzy is driving down Uggla’s value (because playing anywhere other than 2nd is going to cause his value to decline), and he isn’t allowed (through his agent) to suggest that the press is wrong and the idea of a position change, which was based on the hysteria of the ASG and not actual evaluation, doesn’t need to be considered?
Andrew brought up an excellent point on Rowbot Radio.
We as a Rockies fanbase have been spoiled by A grade infield talent, so when a C grade option is mentioned, we get a little nutty. Uggla’s defense is vastly overrated by the metrics IMO, but he’s not a butcher. Even though I’m not part of the “zomg we need Uggla nowz!!!?!!?!!!” crowd, I don’t think it’s a good enough reason to outright rule him out.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you saying my uproar, or in baseball
bloggers/analysts? I think the ASG highlighted his lesser defense. Its not unknown that he’s not great defensively, much as Hawpe is not unknown.
Of course the agent is going to say this.. Even Renck has reported that Uggla might not be willing to move to 1B.
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You’re a big fan of associating people favorably/unfavorably by proximity, without explicity comparing them. Much like Herrera’s “saving the season” shouldn’t be put anywhere near Ubaldo, Uggla’s defense shouldn’t be mentioned anywhere near Hawpe.
I was talking about bloggers, sportswriters, etc blowing up about Uggla’s defense, when they are really only basing it on an exhibition game.
Also, who cares if Uggla won’t move to first? There’s a plethora of 1B on the roster who can hit as well as Uggla and probably play adequate defense. If Uggla refused to go to third, I’d be a little more concerned.
@Wolf: the metrics aren’t high on Uggla’s D to begin with, and I think rating it C to B is fair.
My goodness. Hot button here.
If a guy is saying publicly that he won’t switch positions…especially on a team like the Rockies that moves players around like a chessboard, I think it is a valid concern.
My point in mentioning Hawpe, is that I’m not unfair in never recognizing poor defense vs poor offense in evaluating players.
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even with your double standard though?
Hawpes D is okay because he provides O
Ugglas O is worthless because he doesnt provide D
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Hawpe's O plus arm makes up for lack of D
(which really isn’t as bad others would say) His range is limited but people don’t run on him.
Uggla’s D is not an upgrade over Barmes (IMHO) + seeming bad attitude about moving to 1st + asking price does not make up for his O
/exits to the bombshelter away from salvos
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Wow.
Just wow.
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I'm not saying anything different than I've
always said.
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I don't think I've said this before, and I know I haven't done so in caps
HAWPE IS AS BAD OR WORSE OF AN OUTFIELDER THAN ADAM DUNN.
HAWPE IS THE WORST DEFENSIVE RF IN MLB.
NOT HYPERBOLE.
He's improved this year
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so has BP
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he hasn't played as much due to:
1) Carlos Gonzales
2) bruised ribs
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
My whole point is that if your only strategy in chess is defensive, and you’re shuffling pieces around to stay alive, you’re going to lose eventually.
And that’s how I feel about 2B: eventually the shuffled pieces are going to fall victim to regression/career numbers (I don’t think anyone is going to argue that Herrera’s career arc is on a new plateau after the past month), and rather than have to scramble to fill the position it would do the team well to have stable, reliable production there.
Then there is only first base to worry about, but there are a lot more pieces to shuffle through there (including one, Giambi, who is fine when platooned).
If by plethora
you mean “complete absence” of 1B on the roster who can hit as well as Uggla, I concur 100%.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Giambi – 1 HR every 35 AB
Uggla – 1 HR every 21 AB
Giambi – .404 OBP, .425 SLG
Uggla – .364 OBP, .471 SLG
In other words, those OBP stats are a bit skewed by Giambi’s greater tendency this year to draw walks (he has 22, with 106 AB, Uggla has 45 with 333 AB). Giambi is getting on base more often, but Uggla is hitting the ball harder. Considering Giambi is far from the idea table setter and the idea of an upgrade would be to supply more power, I stand by my earlier comment.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
er, OPS stats, not OBP stats, are a bit skewed
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
The comparison is between Giambi, Uggla and Barmes
and which one you wouldn’t want to have in the batting order.
It's an obvious answer
For some reason, however, people are choosing to believe that it should be Uggla and Barmes, not Uggla and Giambi (/Helton/Mora/whatever).
It really depends on which position
we’re discussing. Since we have issues at both 2B and 1b, its fair to compare both positions.
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Look, Dan Uggla is not the worst 2B I've ever seen...
But I don’t think he fits here by the way he plays 2B or his attitude. EY2, Cantu, Uggla and Wiggington are all players better at DH than at a position. EY2 at least has range. Cantu did at his age too.
I really believe that Uggla’s lack of range and poor positioning will cost The Rox team ERA if he plays 2B. If he’ll playa corner I’d be more accepting. He has said he won’t. If the Rox were an AL team I’d say OK.
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Your point is definitely fair
Here’s a scenario I wouldn’t mind:
What if, rather than Uggla moving, Barmes split time at 2nd and 3rd, filling in for Stewart v. LH?
When Barmes is played at 2nd, then Uggla could slide to first, assuming he can play first. Maybe he’s just not good at it? Who knows.
If he can play 2nd, he can play 1st
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This assumes that he could play a corner...
Which may be why he refuses to move is he doesn’t think he can.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
We've yet to see any evidence
from Uggla himself that he refuses to move. What SDcat found was (a) from 2009, which means it may have changed, and (b) was from his agent, which means he may very well have simply been posturing on his client’s behalf.
This is it precisely.
I wish I were as eloquent as you Foagie. I guess I just figured people would understand this about Uggla….
/shrugs
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It's an obvious answer
if we’re talking about which one you don’t want in your batting order. But if we’re talking about which one you want on your infield, Barmes would be at the top, and Uggla probably comes #2. If we’re talking which two you want on your lineup card, that’s when we start weighing offense vs. defense. But it’s probably worth noting that Uggla might be the only one who lands in the top 2 in both categories.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
In our case
I don’t think the idea of position change is all just post-ASG hysterics. I think it has much more to do with the fact that many of us have looked at our roster, looked at the Barmes/Herrera/Nelson possibilities at 2B and the Helton/Giambi/Eldred/Mora/Hawpe/Ianneta 6 headed monster at 1B and concluded that our need for Uggla is as much, if not more, at 1B than at 2B. It’s not that we’re saying he’s only useful if he changes positions. It’s that we’re saying that he is much more useful to us if he can/will change positions.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I missed the boat on the consensus need shifting from 2b to 1b.
My desire to obtain Uggla is based on Barmes’ prior August/Sep numbers, and (while I appreciate it immensely) the unlikelihood that Herrera’s strong play continues strongly.
Thus, there will be a lot of capable hands at first come late August, but few for second.
I think there are cheaper ways of upgrading first, however. I’d cut Giambi, and trade peanuts for Russell Branyan (and platoon with Mora/Eldred).
Shifted?
I believe what I said is that the consensus is that we have needs at BOTH positions, and that 1B MIGHT even trump 2B. But with obvious needs at both positions, it isn’t some kind of ricdiculous overhyped 2008 ASG post traumatic stress that is the only reason people want him to be available to move to first, as you seem to believe.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I never said his defense was Barmes-esque, I’m just saying that Uggla’s D is taken from mediocre to BUTCHER because all people remember is that he once made three errors in an exhibition game.
I totally agree with this comment.
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Wat?
I never said anything about his defense.
I am talking about the reasons we value his ability/willingness to play somewhere other than 2B (specifically, first). You chose to assign that to some extreme, unfair stereotype about his defense at 2B, when the reality is that for the Rockies it’s simply a practical matter of needs at multiple positions.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
that was directed at me, not you
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Ah
Thanks. Can’t imagine how I got that one confused…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
No, it was direct at Jnct
I just misunderstood where he was coming from.
But then, I also disagree with his diagnosis based on Giambi’s production, and the potential for Helton’s return or Eldred’s ability to platoon.
Eldred is most likely gone with Helton's return
And as much as I’d love to bank on Todd’s potential on his return, at this point I think it’s a bit foolhardy to assume it’s going to be significantly different than what we’ve already seen…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
he's hardly in demand
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I haven't been able to find it...
The quote was in the NY Post about a year ago when FLA wanted to try Bonifacio at 2B and move Uggla to either LF or 3B.
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sadly I wish I could say the Post was that reliable....
but it’s not .
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It's no less reliable than any other major paper in the country
They are just more likely to be called on it because they’re bolder in their claims; they probably don’t make more mistakes than the Times.
Do you trade Barmes for Uggla straight up?
Yes.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course.
But it’s pointless to even consider this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
its rockpile pointless trade talk day isn't it?
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What about EY2 and Rogers? Wonder if we could build a package around those two and maybe a lower level prospect with high upside not named Matzek/Friedrich/Rosario?
by attackparrot on Jul 19, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
doubt that's really enough
especially with EY2 still rehabbing, but I would be all over it for a base
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can we trade players who are on the DL?
i dont know the answer to this but every baseball video game ive ever played has not allowed this but i cant remember if when the White Sox traded for Peavy last year if he was on the DL at the time
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
almost positive you can, you just have to keep your 40-man roster legal
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Dude.
Chase Utley for Clint Barmes.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
wouldnt do it errorz
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I saw utley dog it once
may have been a tight hamstring but dammit a real gamer plays through it
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
or could have been a hip injury that requires surgery
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
no he dogged it
it was on national tv too
this guy just can’t perform when it counts
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
He's cuter...I'd do it.
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The only reason Utley can hit is because he plays in Philly
can’t make this trade :)
Actually you might be on to something..
Which reminds me…how many of Uggla’s dingers have been at home?
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7 at home, 9 away
home slash line: .256/.357/.429
away slash line: .303/.371/.515
another huge benefit of uggla, he hits well on the road and his home split will surely increase when he comes to Coors
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
His road split would also decrease
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Why do you think Road split will increase
if he’s batting in the NL west?
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Decrease
His road numbers would decrease. In part due to the NL West, in part due to the Reverse Coors Effect
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
it would go down some but not as drastically
i think the reverse coors effect isnt something that happens right away. uggla will be used to hitting normal breaking pitches out on the road
plus with the coors bump, his overall numbers could see a boost
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder how many dingers he hits at CBP,
CBP
Citifield
Nationals Park
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3 at CBP, 2 at Citifield, 0 at Nationals
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Can he hit dingers at Petco, Dodger Stadium, and ATT Park?
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the sample size is all really small
but if he can hit HRs in floridas stadium, he will be fine in the NL west
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
If Chris Denorfia can hit 2 HR at PetCo in one game
Dan Uggla would be fine in the NL West
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
You can't, but you can ativate them, trade them, and then put them back on the DL
See: Jake Peavy, the other pitcher in the Cliff Lee trade, etc.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
how about we threw in some OF depth. Blackmon or Wheeler? Maybe a package that is along these lines:
EY2/Rogers/Wheeler/The Immortal Alan Johnson
for
Uggla/A-ball reliver prospect
by attackparrot on Jul 19, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought EY2 was considered one of our TOP prospects
along the lines of Chacin/Matzek…..
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i think in any trade we would retain the stuffed bear tho...
by attackparrot on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
if they want Boo-Boo
they have to throw in Josh Johnson as well….
by attackparrot on Jul 19, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Isn't woobie a blanket?
What is Woobie exactly….
Boo-Boo is untouchable
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no we're trading booboo for josh johnson
the blanket stays.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
But but but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
nein
nyet
NO
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i dont think hes ever been considered a top prospect. isnt his ceiling basically herrera with elite speed and a little more pop?
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
better OBP maybe, lesser glove
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def better obp
I could see him being a .280/.360/.380 player with 7 trillion SB per season.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
less than 7 trillion
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If he can keep that OBP up
That’s a tailor made leadoff man
I've heard something similar posted on this before
saying Herrera and EY2 are very similar, except the small increase in pop and elite speed for EY2, but isn’t elite speed a huge tool? I think that makes them very different. There is no way EY2 is in the upper level of propsects, but he is a much better prospect than Herrera because of that elite speed, Herrera has avg speed at best, this is a major tool.
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Has Herrera taken better ABs
If EY2 could get on base as much as Herrera…….that would be awesome.
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much more likely
EY2 >> Herrera
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
sure as a 2b...
but since he’s a lf now, he may have lost some of his luster!
;)
by attackparrot on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
He shouldn't be, but he is, because he's Eric Young;'s spawn and he can run fast.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Where?
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
where what
He hits for passable average and has good on-base skills
he’ll just need to work on his contact hitting to feed that OBP
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just not after midnight
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If he ever hits for a pasable average in the majors, I'll be surprised.
(I am REALLY down on EY2)
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
clearly
he has good plate discipline and has bucked the scouts thus far in his career
I’m not saying “whoah ho ho SOLD!” just for the record
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Like Cantu he doesn't have a position...
EYjr hasn’t shown me much on D at any position. He is young Cantu with less power
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fair enough
he’s also about 2M cheaper than Cantu
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
He wasn't sgned for as high a bounus either...
… How mss’d up the DRAYS were…
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
And he at least has experience at 2B
where he’s shown an ability to move left and right and pick up the ball. That’s more than Cantu can say.
I started typing this terrible response about me having exp at 2B as well
and then realized you were talking about EYJ
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I think there are many people who would NOT acquire Uggla for nothing
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ok.
I will give you that.
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the wording was "feasibly"
I don’t see what’s so oddly worded about that.
something not feasible would clearly be “chacin, friedrich, fowler for Uggla ok sign here”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I think
feasibly is in the eye of the reader – everyone will come up with a different meaning for it.
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the reason you have a decent farm is
a) Top prospect development
b) depth for injuries
c) trading for pieces outside the organization
They are a currency, and it’s a shame if we don’t use them as such.
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I understand what you are saying here.
I guess I just want to know what the Marlins are going to want for Uggla – and what is the potential ROI on him versus the potential loss from whatever prospects they want from us.
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we have to remember that Prospects are not a sure thing whatsoever.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
well no player is.
there is always some risk involved with trades. We could trade for Uggla have him trip over some deer meat and not play for the rest of the season.
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the difference is that you can make a stronger case with a major league player
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course you can.
It just depends on the cost to aquire him. What is Uggla worth to you for the season and a half we would have him?
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johnny herrera?
no, seriously, I am so awful at trade formulation. I’m only good at complaining.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
well continue.
I just want to know what it would cost us before I decide on Uggla. If they want any of our big 3 (which I’m guessing they will) is it worth it for what he might do for us down the stretch this season?
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remember we would have him next season as well
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
That is true
but we are looking for a bat for right now – we have no idea where we will be this time come next year.
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since most of our lineup is signed through next year
we’ll probably be looking for a 2b and maybe 1b. The pitching staff will be where the true question lie which is why im against trading chacin in this scenario
and a playoff appearance is worth 30M to an organization
if you want to really catch the Pads and stay ahead of the Dodgers, you need to make a move
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there ya go
quantify it. So far we have 30 million – 8 million for contract = 22 million.
Is that 22 million worth more than whatever prospects we lose?
Would the money be better spent if we can find a true replacement for Helton at first?
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that 22M would fund our overslot drafting for the next 3-4 years
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Except that $22m is expected value, not hard $$$
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
correct. but it would be a serious boost regardless
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yes. i say go for the playoffs anytime you have a shot
our window is now
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
so a one time shot at the playoffs
is a greater value than our top 3 prospects right now?
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but we wouldn't give up our top 3 prospects
this organization has never done that, why would they start now
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I was responding to this;
yes. i say go for the playoffs anytime you have a shot
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ive always said the Top 3 and maybe rosario are off limits
but im all fine and dandy with anyone else and i believe that there is a package that could get the trade done
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
IAWTC
I would hate to see us waste ’Baldo’s season for the ages.
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Herrera may have saved our season, right along with Ubaldo
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hard to save a season in July
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maybe not, but you could sure lose it in July
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
this
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Not as hard as you think.
Every win counts the same. Shuffle some context around, and it can be April where the season is saved.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree with the first part of that sentence.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
Tulo goes down, we have limited options
Herrera’s solid smart hitting and great fielding didn’t do anything?
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we also have like 4 other utility type players in AAA that can fill in
Herrera’s made a difference, but I’d really say the bats starting to actually wake up made a difference too
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Don't disagree, but he did keep us in
many games….
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but timely and clutch .340 obp
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he has a WPA of -0.01
which means he’s effectively been neutral to our efforts this season
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
so like a replacement player
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but he had a 12 game hitting streak!!!!!!!!
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
he's had one 11 game hitting strieak
and another 12 game hitting streak with one game separating the two streaks IIRC
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Actually no
WPA isn’t WAR. If it was, a replacement team would go 81-81 rather than the 43-119 or whatever. According to Fangraphs, he has been worth 0.1 WAR, or 1.4 runs. Which isn’t much more than a replacement player. The fact that he has a near neutral WPA with those stats indicate he IS doing more with what he has than average.
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ATF likes to ruin my buzz
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It's what I do
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
There's a very big difference between 43-119 and 81-81
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
the joke is herrera is a utility man playing over his head
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I know
Playing over his head or not, he hasn’t hurt us out there
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes , yes he has
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bull
Iannetta has saved the season more than Herrera
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
3 WALKOFF HR
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"he hit the damn bull!"
“That guy gets a free steak!”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Anything that flies that far oughta have a stewardess on it
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Correct
Unless Tracy would be starting Mora there instead every game. The opportunity cost, even for an essentially zero WPA, could mean something.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
remember WPA doesn't account for slick fielding
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Very good point
for Herrera
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
this conversation is being taken too seriously
Herrera’s short term production = yaaaaaay
forecast = ehhhhhhh
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
never said he hasn't
he’s just not Johnny H. Christ
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Didn't you know that
that H in Johnny H. Chris
is Johnny Herrera Christ? I read somewhere he shortened it because it caused a lot of confusion.
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If Herrera doesn't get on base, as Yokel, says above
we don’t score. We could potentially be back 7-8 games to SD right now.
We can certainly speculate that Nelson, or our other AAA options may have done this, but they weren’t here and Herrera is…and he’s still doing the job.
Heck, I’m even wondering if we don’t keep Herrera in the lineup when Tulo gets back. I HATE BARMEZ
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This is not just directed at you, cat, and sounds angrier than I mean to,
but I get really tired of hearing that one player can carry the team on its shoulders. There are maybe a dozen position players in all of baseball that legitimately have that big of an effect on their team. There are 8 other guys batting and playing on the field, winning and losing are team efforts. Especially for this team, the winning and losing are very decidedly team efforts.
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That's fine. I'm not saying he and he alone,
Ubaldo well, yeah he pretty much has been the stopper. The team plays with more confidence when Ubaldo is on the mound. They don’t think they’ll lose.
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You're leaving out Scrappy
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Hi
The SP staff needs runs and Gonzales is pretty good at getting them. The sp staff would be waisting a season if not for Gonzales. However right or wrong this argument doesn’t deserve time or space
True enough
and by the same token without the pitching staff having the year they are, even the runs AG has produced wouldn’t be enough to win enough games to contend.
Which puts us right back to the point coolopotamus was making – that one player is rarely totally responsible for making (or breaking) a season…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with this comment for the Padres of 09
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So true
I would rather see him playing 2B or SS, but even over Herrera, I know, I know, pitchforks and torches will be coming.
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If Nelson can play as well as Herrera has..
I have no problem with this…
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He would OPS better than Herrera
But as soon as people see that his average isn’t as high, I don’t even want to imagine the posts.
Particularly on the DP website.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Not unless you registered at pitchforksNtorchesRus
because I would consider rewarding this thought with a gift.
Nothing against Johnny, who has been a Godsend while Tulo’s been out, but I would love to see what Nelson could do given a similar opportunity.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
not at all. Im just saying, the timing of when Herrera HAD to come up
to “fill-in” and keep us steady, he’s really thrived and we won. There were several games that he really did keep us in the game with a timely hit or walk.
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So are you saying that all the players who didn't come through during the Herrera era
don’t deserve a place in the team? I’m struggling to think of a single Rockie who hasn’t had major, game-changing contributions over the last thirty or so games, pitchers excluded. Johnny’s done well, he should be praised and pleased with his performance, but that’s all.
this is where I am
happy for his performance so far, expecting absolutely nothing from hereon out
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weird, Haven't you been saying you expect nothing more
from him during his whole stint?
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there's no real reason to expect anything from him this whole time
I am bemused he has played actual baseball, but not expecting it
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He played actual baseball, quite in 08
when we had injuries galore. And he has played actual baseball in AAA…I’d say from what we’ve seen this stint, is that he is above a AAAA player no?
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he looked like garbage with a glove in 2008
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Apparently I was watching a different Herrera
now, I didn’t get to see all the games, but I thought he filled in well enough.
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he had like a .500 OPS
he was LITERALLY the bottom of the barrel.
We were STARTING Q and Johnny.
I’m not saying he’s garbage now, he’s come a long way, and good on him for it. I don’t think he’ll go BACK to awful either. Just not stay where he is.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Really, is that what you got from that comment?
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Yes. It's logic.
You’re praising Herrera for actions that really, truly can’t be taken out of context from the team game. The guy has done his job, and he’s done it better than the statsheads (and most others) expected.
But, as WPA demonstrates, he’s done it at a neutral and non-game-changing level over the period of his stay in the bigs. Which is fine! We’ve won more than we’ve lost over that period, so actually a WPA of zero is below average for the team over that period, but no worries, he’s done fine.
What you’re suggesting is that his actions are somehow more worthy than the actions of others. Whereas I’m saying you could pretty much cherry pick the best moments from Barmes, or Ianetta, or Seth, or Cargo, over that 30-game period and say exactly the same. And once you can say the same about pretty much everyone else in the team – well, it mkakes Herrera’s contribution, pleasing though it was, seem a lot less special.
To be fair I also have zero walkoff homers
But I doubt anyone would play down what I do for this team.
you've certainly hit some walkoffs in your day
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this precisely
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i think franchise's offer was what ive been saying all along
the big three are untouchable and i would seriously consider making rosario untouchable but a combo of most anything else would be fine by me.
i would prefer it to be headlined by Rogers since he is out of options after this year
which is likely why he can't be a centerpiece
Florida would have to handle him that same way, limiting his value
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i realize that
i was just stating my ideal trade scenario
That's pretty much why I voted "yes"
Is Dan Uggla a player that would be nice to have on the roster? Sure. Is he an upgrade overall? Probably. And since the question asks about a “feasible” price, that almost begs to have each person set the price at what they think his value would be. So under those circumstances I voted yes.
In general terms, I am that mythical person who is ambivalent on the subject.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate dingers
hate them
unless they only come once every couple of weeks at most, then they’re exciting.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
thats good for you. since Chicks dig the long ball
and you hate the long ball we can finally deduce that you are not a chick
if I love the long ball will chicks love me
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you hit the long ball for 30 -40 dingers a year?
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nono, I'm not hitting them
just loving them
I feel like I’m drifting into Dr. strangelove
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Chicks don't dig guys who love the long ball.
Chicks dig guys who hit the long ball or the long ball itself.
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They don't, actually.
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We don't.. seriously
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i now feel bad for jonathon herrera
he’ll never get his lovin on
well, he'll land himself a nice lady
who appreciates him, not just digs him
Dingers, like looks, only fade with time.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
unless you're Bo Jackson
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wait 20 years and say that
/waits 20 years
/bo is still awesome
/foiled again
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Ugh I loved Bo Jackson
damn you Raiders!!!!!!!!!! damn you!!!!
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He does have a son.
So maybe he already has a nice lady? (No idea if he’s married or still with his son’s mom.)
foiled again
do chicks dig guys who talk about how much they appreciate gap power and OBP?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
this chick sort of does.
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yes.
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are you trying to seduce me mrs robinson
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Bats eyelashes
ye—
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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don't you tease me ms coolo
I’ve been hurt before by the internets.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
statznerd
need love too
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yes they do but that doesn't answer the question
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
HEY THIS ENTIRE THREAD SOUNDS OFF TOPICY TO ME
GOOD THING WE DIDNT SPLIT THOSE UP
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shaddup we're talking about the long ball that is completely baseball
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
this chick digs small ball
smart baserunning, catchers, the perfectly placed line drive for an RBI double, wicked movement on fastballs and curveballs, and gunning a runner out.
The long ball is warranted but not why I dig baseball.
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and FISTPUMPZ
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you make me sad today Muzua
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you make (my) day Muzua (sic)
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I dig properly executed baseball as much as a dig the longball.
Heck, I just love baseball1
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
why is properly executed considered the "right" way to do stuff?
(not directed at PIP)
Why isn’t a single, BB, and HR the “right” way to do it? Runs score both ways.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Those are all awesome...
just not as SEXY ….lol
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Any play that is productive,
in my standpoint, is properly executed baseball.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They kill rallies.
rally killers.
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Here's some news (unless someone posted it above)
I was listening to AM1510 on the way to work during Huson’s segment. He said that an assistant to DOD (name escapes me) is with the team in Florida to scout un-named Marlins. This was during a discussion with Shapiro about Cantu and Uggla.
Let me emphasize that Huson neither referred to either player specifically (it was Shapiro flat out asking whether the front office had anyone in Florida), and Huson did not mention any specific Florida player, only that a front office person went with the team to Florida.
Huson’s speculation afterward was that Cantu was a more “likely” person to be scouting because of his 1B/3B sucktitude versatility.
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Neither do I
If it’d DOD pulling a “Cantu for Greg Reynolds”…well, maybe. Because I no longer think Reynolds has a real ML future. But really, he’s such a marginally small upgrade over Mora, that I highly doubt the Rox are willing to take on the salary in order to make even that deal. I see less of an actual likelihood of picking up Cantu than I see of picking up Uggla (and that’s already pretty miniscule)
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cantu really is just "upgrading" mora
so in that scenario do we cut mora after picking up cantu?
yeah
and then we take a large sack of money and set it on fire
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
Getting Cantu would be the worst thing possible, because the upgrade would be so small, and yet ensure no more $$$ left for anywhere else.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I keep reminding myself
That I thought adding Contreras and Giambi were “no real upgrade” moves last year, so I’m openminded when it comes to Cantu…but it would be really underwhelming if that’s the move here. No doubt.
But Contreras and Giambi basically cost us nothing at all
Only spots on a 40 man roster in September. We gave up nothing of value for either, and their salaries weren’t $6m.
That’s the real difference here.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
released by the ChiSox I believe
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Unless this happened this morning, he did not
He pitched for their AAA affiliate last night
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe put on waivers earlier this season then
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That could have been
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Is he still on their 40 man roster?
(I’m assuming he was on there at the start of the season…)
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
He is not
Which is what assume Muzia was referring to
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
correcto
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No idea, but he'd lost since lost being a high-upside guy
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
He started in AA this spring, after spending all of 2009 in AAA
Was very good in 10 games at AA (sub 3.00 ERA and FIP), got promoted to AAA two weeks ago.
Has had a couple moderate outings at AAA. 4 HR in 2 games.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
but we added those two during Sept when rosters were expanded
adding cantu now would force us to either have two Mora type players on the bench or to cut Mora in favor of a very slight upgrade that would cost more money and some type of prospect in return
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
True
I wasn’t trying to really compare the situations, moreso just the notion that moves that seem “meh” can pay off. I agree I wouldn’t expect a Cantu move to be particularly great for us, but I don’t foreclose the possibility that he could tear the cover off the ball in 1/2 season at Coors. I also assume he would not be “expensive” in terms of prospects. If that assumption is wrong, my view would change.
"very slight upgrade"
I don’t believe for a second that Cantu is “a very slight upgrade” to Mora. He’s not an upgrade anywhere close to Dan Uggla, but he’s an upgrade. If I had to pick having Mora or Cantu on the roster, it’d easily be Cantu.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Usually it's you complaining about me being too cheapy with the money.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
here let me sell you my 1982 honda accord for $22,000
it can’t drive above 60 and it shakes like hell and burns oil, but it runs!
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Small sample sizes can really skew late season trades
Especially for pinch hitters or bullpen arms. Look at George Sherrill. Key to the city after 20 IP, then outrighted after 20 IP
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
But SSS is all we want from a late season trade.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure
It’s just that sometimes catching lightning in a bottle is more valuable than pulling in a superior player. See: Ron Belliard
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
dammit we're going to trade something of value for Jorge Cantu's salary
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Andres Gallarraga come back in whatever shape he's in right now than have Cantu.
Fortunately, that fantasy position eligibility will make some team sign him in the off-season and give the Rockies back a 2nd round pick.
honest to God I'd rather just activate Vinny Castilla
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I can get on board this plan
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when i read deacs comment i thought "what could vinny do"
didnt he rake in the mexican league recently?
not seriously suggesting activating castilla…or am i?
He did rake! Twas awesome really
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highlight of my winter
aside from signing Mora
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you make me sad today Muzia
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why I was being honest
and my winter kinda sucked
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I thought you were mocking Castilla
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I said it was the highlight of my winter
how could I possible mock Big V
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I guess I just didn't think us signing Mora made you all that happy
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well we didnt do anything else this winter
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I didn't think you were a Mora supporter
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I've never said a bad thing about the guy
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Okay my mistake
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I dunno, the idea kinda puts a smile on my face.
It would be pretty killer to see him again.
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I just noticed your sig BTW
and it is awesome, Brian Regan is the best comedian of all time!
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
Correction. Best LIVE comedian
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
coolopotamus' namesake is bettor
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I will also toss Jim Gaffigan into the mix for consideration.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
dislike early Gaffigan, love newer Gaffigan
OFF TOPICCCCCCC
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I love me some Eddie Izzard
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(pretty much my favorite)
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wow.
you and RMN just blew my mind.
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In my experience, Jeff Huson knows less than nothing.
The best things in life are Tulo dingers, Ubaldo strikeouts, and uh, yeah.
It does come down to this.
I don’t like Uggla. I don’t want him on my team. I cringe at the thought of what we’ll have to give up.
But if we DO go after him, I will support him till he no longer deserves it (if you loses the game for us or something). And I will try not to watch our prospects or players in Florida, I would just try to get over it.
It wouldn’t be the end of the world.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 9:26 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think I was shouted down for this suggestion
but I recall going to Rogers’ first start in LA, and from my view I thought Barmes missed a catchable ball that ended up likely the difference in a W/L. Tough play, but one I expected him to make. I’m not a Barmes hater, but he does not walk on water defensively.
my point is that everyone has their "lose the game" moments
including Barmes
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly. I was following your lead there.
I agree we should try to field the best defensive team possible, but that notion of “possible” includes the offensive tradeoffs. We could have an infield full of BJ Ryans and an outfield full of Willy Ts, probably, pretty easily if we wanted to. But not so sure that’s the way to go.
Sure.
Of course, throughout the season and games, there are people who are going to “lose” the game for us. And I’m sure that Uggla will have a couple games where he totally blows it, or doesn’t come through, that’s the nature of baseball. In fact, I was mad at Seth Smith for some time for striking out to end the World Series.Irrational, I know. But know I’ve totally gotten over that and think He’s Pure Awesomeness.
If Uggla ever comes to our team, I will accept him as hard as a can, even if he blows it and I can’t help getting mad at him.
And yes, Barmes has “lost” games for us, but for me, its a matter of acceptance.
I just have this weird thing about liking/disliking certain people, and no one can change my mind; its a bad thing about me.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
ex: Muzia
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Deus Ex Muzia?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I can get behind this becoming my nicknamr 'round these parts
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and after reading the whole thing
I get frustrated when people hate on a guy for one bad play in one bad game
and then ignore all the solid play that isn’t in exciting moments
this applies to anyone, just you
so that’s where my “OMG NO PLAYER IN BASEBALL MAKES ERRORS ASIDE FROM CLINT BARMES” (littered with spelling errors) rants come from
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I know.
My femalimity plus but bad personality in that I have a tendecy to hold grudges = that.
I’m working on it…
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Being female has nothing to do with holding grudges....
just being a person does…
(darn that whole imperfection thing)
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(says a female)
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PRECISELY
But then again I don’t exist…soooooo…
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Yeah,
sorry to throw all the shefans under the bus. But with my female personality comes certain downfalls…or maybe it is just my personality. But guys usually don’t hold grudges.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
wimmen be trippin.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Lucky that you haven't met any who do....
(trust me, they exist)
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heh
I’m still pissed off about Cutler…..
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I don't think you're completely off base.
If you’ve watched someone for years, you’ve seen them do good things for the team, and you wish them success. It can be hard to say they aren’t part of the puzzle.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I will accept him as hard as a can
I think we’ll need to know what’s in this can in order to evaluate this…
And yes, I did just make fun of the girl who typed a novel on a mobile for one typo. Gotta problem with that??? :)
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I will accept him as hard as a can
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
um what? this is wrong
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HEY ATF THIS IS OFF TOPIC MOVE IT BUDDY
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helping the cause?
isn’t this what we’re all supposed to do, chip in and clean up PR?
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no I'm being serious here
as one of the OT offenders, I feel it’s part of my community service to clean up PR’s shoulders from litterbugs
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Dude, I honestly typed
The whole data interperation of my lab groups experiment on mobile and emailed it to my group so they could copy and paste then print. We only had 2 laptops to work with.
Oh, dear…OT….yeah, sorry.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, you were thirteen.
and didnt find him super hot like the rest of us
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The beard makes him super HAWT
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yes.
yes it does.
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I thought he was super hawt even before the beard
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
We were all mad at Seth Smith....
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I couldn't be mad at Seth Smith
I was mad at Ryan Speier and Jeff Francis and Franklin Morales and all the bats that went dead silent over four games. Even a Smith HR there would have just been lipstick on a pig
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I was mad at the stupid Indians
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This is the best comment
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I was mad at the flies,
and the stupid break between games 5 and 6 that killed the Indians momentum.
How about Holliday getting picked off?
That’s the lasting moment in my mind. He looked like he was thinking about having sex with a cow when he got nailed.
o_O
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I don't want to picture any of that
ANY of that
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
All of the unfortunate imagery aside,
that is the hands-down worst moment for me. Down by a run, trying to tie the series while taking one in Boston? It made my heart bleed.
I think I was in shock more than anything...
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It was
my stupid immaturity more in that whenever he struck out in 08 I was all, “Oh waduuya knoe smiff struck owt”
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
how easily you forgot Game 163 OMG TRIPPPPPLLLLE
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PIP, you seem to be a tad hard on yourself today....
STOP IT :)
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Polls make me mad ; )
Naw, just criticizing my PAST SELF. I love my present self. I’m currently awesome!
Better?
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember the bad, correct it, move on and always LOVE yourself and others!
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Wow, awesome
Words
Of
Wisdom
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, yes
I was 13. Wow, how have I grown.
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Who is the future at 1B?
Are there any 1B or AA-AAA prospects in the majors who would be better than Eldred/Hawpe/Iannetta in the years AT (After Todd)?
I’d rather see the team build in that direction, rather than mortgaging a part of the future for a third of a season from a guy who’s not a perfect fit, for a team that’s still a strong contender without him.
We might end up going the route of "old player who can't field well but can still hit becomes our 1B"
or Iannetta, in my dream world
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
My Crazy Prediction.
Helton comes off the DL and starts raking. Boy, what a mess that would be.
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nah, we just DFA Eldred and everything goes back to where it was
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Not really, Does Hawpe go back to RF?
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well yeah
but with the limited playing time he’s gotten recently
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Which doesn't help him get his swing back.....:(
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well, don't look now
but smith and spilly are cooling off
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
not to mention Dex
so our awesome outfield depth is like half a player right now
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just wait until the end of the roadie
those bats will be ice cold.
That would be cool
The old Helton. The old Tulo. and if the Good DLR come back then Rockies don’t need to trade.
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Yeah
I want us to at least consider the free agency market. Vets who can hit but only play 1B will be cheap this offseason especially with Agon/Fielder/Puyols ont he market.
do not even confuse Albert Freaking Pujols with Carles "looks like he ran into a wall" Puyol
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
those three still have 1 more year till they're FAs
i dont know who is FA eligible this offseason off the top of my head
I like the Iannetta option
But if it doesn’t pan out, I’d rather give Todd an apprentice to groom rather than panic and overpay for a new 1B when he does hang ’em up.
I realize that this is more of a winter meeting kind of trade, but, honestly, I think this is more of what the club needs to be concerned with spending their prospects on.
What is Iannetta’s ceiling as a hitter? I know his .391 wOBA was awesome in 2008, but I think in full-time play his ceiling is probably closer to an .850 OPS. Not sure that’s enough to be the long term answer at first.
It’d be great to rotate him in this season though and find out.
ill take an 850 OPS 1B to go along with the rest of our offense
thats like Billy Butler who I would love love love to have
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
right now I would kill for an 850 OPS at 1B for the next few years
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I'd just rather have that at catcher
and get the .850 OPS from someone cheap passing through, like Branyan or Hinske or whatever.
he can VMart for us anytime
especially if when we pick up Olivo’s option and then one of our other catchers is ready
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That's my thought
We have Olivo right now. We have Rosario and McKenry on the way. And we have Phillips, who has been a serviceable backup if not a guy you’d ever want to turn the position over to, if we needed to fill the backup spot for now. Strangely enough for this franchise, C actually looks like a position we can afford to move somebody off of right now…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
you're assuming that .850 OPS just grows on trees
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
2010 1B FA signings with .800+ OPS
Russell Branyan, Eric Hinske, Aubrey Huff, Troy Glaus. There’s four. Maybe five if you include Jermaine Dye’s potential to do .800-.850.
Adam LaRoche is at .773
Though his career line is .828. He’s a feasible type as well.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I left him off because of the hot/cold spells he goes on.
But he’d be cheap, and if he sat against some lefties he’d probably be effective.
cheap the rest of the year
buyout for next year though
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we'd have to trade in the division though
he wouldnt come cheap
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
DBacks wouldn't care
It’s not like they’d be trading Stephen Drew or Chris Young, and might live to regret it. They’d be trading, essentially, a journeyman with a second half hot streak and someone who could just as soon be a FA next year.
They kick in $1.5M for the option, they get a B prospect. It works.
all to be had for less than 7M a year
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your list lacks a certain rockies first baseman currently OPSing at 829
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Jason Giambi
Eldred also has a 1.044 OPS ;-p
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
not really in the levels you specified
unless maybe Pacheco or Rosario end up at 1B
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We don't really have one set right now.
Kiel Roling is the closest thing to a 1B prospect we have, and he’s a question mark right now.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I should rephrase. We have other 1B prospects.
Just not as close to us as Roling is.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I support trading for
anybody that results in Melvin Mora never batting cleanup again.
The best things in life are Tulo dingers, Ubaldo strikeouts, and uh, yeah.
Buddy Bell's available
So’s Hurdle. And Baylor already has a uniform that fits.
No thanks, I’ll keep our current guy.
Really? He's more of a douchenozzle than Charlie Manuel
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
oh I know
it’s just hilarious to think about
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
but but but
ESPN links him to all teams needing managers! He must be good!
ESPN is working really hard to shed employees
Still working on Showalter right now…
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by Mondogarage on Jul 19, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Go Rockies.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 10:14 AM MDT reply actions
Jorge Cantu has not been good since 2008
So a wRC+ of 111 is the cutoff? Because he had a 112 in 2008, then fell all the way to 110 in 2009.
I agree that he would be less of an upgrade than we would be hoping for, enough that it would not be worth trading much of value. But to say he wouldn’t be an upgrade over Mora is just not correct.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:24 AM MDT reply actions
he had a good April
and since then…..yeah….
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I certainly don't want him
I mean, he posted a .327 OBP in his career year. But he would be better than Mora, if we gave up something of little value.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
would it really be worth getting someone just a little better than Mora?
I’m more of the mind to stand pat if that’s th case. This observation is based purely in what I’ve seen
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change it to jimmy page whenever I saw that avatar I knew awesome posts were coming
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
alright Andrew....I changed back to a different pic of Jimmy Page
I don’t want to lose my awsomesauce
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I do cut a suave figure
and I DO feel the awsomeness of Jimmy Page flowing through my fingers….huh…maybe there’s something to it.
Anyway No can do on Cantu
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Jimmy Page wouldn't even trade for Cantu
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
and we all know his word is law
however, as I said I just don’t think trading for someone who isn’t appreciably better than Mora to replace Mora.
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that made no sense.....awsomeness fading
What I meant to say is I don’t think trading for someone who isn’t vastly superior to the player your replacing makes any sense.
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jimmy page doesn't always have to make sense to be awesome
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by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
this is OT!!!!!
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Yeah, I'm not really on the Cantu bandwagon
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know if that's 100% true
we want cantu to hit lefties
mora is hitting lefties as well as cantu
cantu is irrelevant
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Certainly a good point
Mora traditionally has actually hit RH better than LH. This season is quite different, and with sample size issues and the likelihood that he is facing lefty starters when he starts and tough rightie setup men when he pinch hits, I’m wary of those splits. But not enough to pull the trigger
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
and then what do you do with mora? cut him?
we cant have two moras sitting on the bench waiting to get inserted into the 4 hole playing LF
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, he'd have to be gone
Which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. The FO would have to be sure Cantu would be a much bigger asset than Mora for that to work.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
New topic: Adam LaRoche
Trade for him. Why? Because he’s a monster in the second half (career .904 OPS post- all-star break), he’s on a relatively affordable contract (2010: $6M, 2011: $7.5M option (1.5 buyout)), and he wouldn’t take a lot in prospects. Get the DBacks to kick in some money for the option, give them a B prospect, win World Series. Done.
nelson for laroche isnt getting it done
id wager laroche might be more expensive than uggla due to the fact its trading within the division
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
WEATHERS
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OK so that'll be 6 IB on the roster then
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
We'd have to be absolutely sure Helton's done for the year
The DBacks want pitching, right? I’ve been thinking that Rogers value is a lot lower around the league than we believe, so I think Rogers + relief prospect might get it done? Then again, LaRoche has been acquired for spare parts/fringe prospects before, so it might take less. If we can get him for what the Red Sox got him for last year, it would be one of the best additions of the deadline.
Christ...
I had to hit “z” like 3 million times to get through all the LOLBASEBALL here…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
and John the Baptist is like "dude learn how to use reply links"
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
And Moses said
“LET MY PEOPLE GOOOOOOOOOOOOO”
I think that wraps up this thread.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
St. Paul said
It’s over when I say it’s over!
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
And God said,
“Oh Rockies fan. Can these bats live?”
And I said, “Oh Lord, thou knowest”
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't religion OT
unless the religion is Baseball and you are Annie Savoy
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by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
we all do
even dan uggla makes that error
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Uhmmmm new topic: Dan Haren
Having 2 OMG aces would be awesome, but is 2 and a half years of him worth our farm system?
I want to know
why he can dominate 95% of the time, but then give up dingers like he’s Rodrigo Lopez
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
It's like when your dog gets too hot
and gets distracted from the stick he’s chewing on. Same thing happens to Haren in the desert.
I would find him interesting
but considering what they sank into acquiring him, and add in the trading inside the division component, I’m afraid they would want something insane to send him our way.
I do remember reading after his last start against SD that he was talking about how he felt he needed to be so fine with his pitches, because (reading between the lines) he was afraid to let balls be put in play and felt like he didn’t dare allow a run. I really got the impression that the situation there has gotten into his head. Which makes me think he might turn it around pretty quickly in a new environment. Of course, it also made me wonder what he might be like in the clubhouse.
But I don’t see any way that one gets done without at least one of the big 3 going, quite possibly more…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I would make a 3 way trade
meh prospects for Uggla, Dbacks think Uggla will save their cajones, they trade Haren to the Rockies for Uggla
I think this is a plan we can all get on board.
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o_O
why would the Dbacks deal with us at all then
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Josh Johnson and Hanley got paid
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Serious rebuttal?
If it’s not, I’m going to feel like a cow, but… Those are show ponies for the new stadium. Until the actual revenue comes in, they won’t be spending a dime past what they need to do to placate MLB, the MLBPA, and the 10 people that have season tickets.
not a serious rebuttal
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That's ridiculous...
The have, easily THREE TIMES that many season ticket holders and you know it!
Go Bruce!
Since the D-Backs would have Uggla
does that mean they’d throw Kelly Johnson into the deal for us too?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Even if that trade lined up, it makes Arizona look BAD
Uggla was stolen from the DBacks system as a Rule 5 pick. It would be like us trading CarGo one day for Everth Cabrera
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
You all realize that was a joke right?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
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P much
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
that makes no sense
Trade Alan Johnson for Uggla and Haren
problem solved
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Do we divide him vertically or horizontally?
Or do the Marlins and D-Backs just get shared custody of him?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
let the two teams decide
see who screams “NO SAVE ALAN JOHNSON”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
that would be me
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So we're just dismissing the joint custody idea?
He could alternate starts between the two teams. Surely half his awesome would be more than enough for either team…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't make that deal unless it included Ray Bourque.
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe DiPoto would give him to us for free
As a sign of goodwill?
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by Hollidayrain on Jul 19, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
crap you're out of town for 4 days and you miss
the Rockies being linked to Cantu and Haren, and Hawpe starting at 1b.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I wanna know who linked us to Haren.
That seems pretty far fetched to me to do a deal with a division rival for their ace.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
That was me
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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I would trade Uggla for Haren straight up
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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you also wouldn't trade Hawpe for Adrian Gonzalez so...
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmm, I'd have to think about that one
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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There's no time to think in baseball. If you think, you're dead.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Like my old baseball coaches told me
if you think, you STINK!
Yes, I actually do like cricket. I'm Indian.
"We could have had Jesus on the mound and [the Rockies] still would have gotten hits." -Paul Lo Duca
"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
you're joking me
an MVP candidate for our soon to be displaced 4th OF
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
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when you've found the one you love it's hard to let go
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
if you can't see the one you love play baby
love the one who is playing baseball
love the one who is playing baseball
doo doo doo doo doo doo doododo
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
but the rockies get…no one…
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Did you see my trade above.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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I know but who was their source?
We never find out usually but I doubt there have been any talks between the two front offices at all
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Just Renck's note that Haren is available
Nothing beyond what MLBTR says on their rundown. It’s stupid. I wish there was a specific color to highlight completely inane, impossible rumors.
Someone from MLBTR suggested it was a fit
Nothing but speculation, no inside info
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Confused
I saw the article talking about Cantu and the poll and totally voted No because I assumed it was about Cantu
Some hope?
by rockiesfan4ever on Jul 19, 2010 11:21 AM MDT reply actions
Perhaps I've overlooked something.
HAPPY UBALDO DAY!!!!!!!!
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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Ubaldo uber alles
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Arbeit macht frei
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Watching MLB top plays.
Smith walkoff “The Comeback” # 15 or 14.
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This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
For this half of the season?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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yup
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This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
#5 Ubaldo no hitter!
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by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But he did it back before it was the cool new thing
that everybody was doing. Therefore, his should rank highest…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
So is Halladay's perfect Number 1?
Or Strasburg’s first start?
tough call there
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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Yes, Halladay.
Strasburghs wasnt # 2.
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This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I really do want Cantu....
He is just another avg player, not an upgrade. Uggla is an upgrade.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
do not*
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed.
he doesn’t add enough help this year to justify depleting our farm system which is already not as strong as we’d like.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
My logic on the Uggla deal is
Uggla>Barmes>Mora. Barmes is the ideal super utility player at this point. Head and shoulders above Mora. We need to replace Mora more than we need to replace Barmes. Of course if we want to save some money and find a legitimate 2 hole hitter we can trade for Mike Aviles and save a TON of money on a player that we will have control of for at least 3.5 years. He doesn’t have anywhere near the pop that Uggla has but he will get on base a lot in front of Cargo and Tulo. Think about guys alright?
So are you for or against Uggla?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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For!
depending on the conditions of the trade of course. The only reason I am thinking Aviles is because he would come cheaper and stay longer and much less money. The only other downside of Uggla is that he is essentially another 5 hole hitter of which we have about 4 already. We need a player who can hit for higher average at the top of the order.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
im not very familar with aviles but looking at his numbers it appears that he had a great rookie year but since has been below average
not really an upgrade over barmes
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
injuries his second year. but he is playing well again this year.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
his numbers this year: .300/.329/.378 wOBA:.307
looks very similar to Jonathon Herrera
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Aviles was injured part of this season as well and is trying to come back
Herrera will not stay at these numbers. We all know that.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Aviles probably will stay at his numbers though
he was never that impressive in the minors either
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
how is mike aviles a legitimate anything
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
3.7 War player in his Rookie year isn't legit?
He will continue to improve. If not, we haven’t lost much because he only costs 400K/year at this point.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it's legit
I fail to see how he’s an upgrade on mora or barmes aside from age
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Because Barmes has a career OBP of .300 and has never been higher than a 2.3 WAR player
Aviles will be a .340 or higher OBP guy and a 3.0 WAR player for less than even Barmes costs at this point.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
no he won't
Aviles had a BABIP fueled rookie year and he hasn’t been able to replicate that 1WAR worth of fielding he accumulated.
He never walks and while he has some pop, he’s not an upgrade on Barmes or Herrera.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
RMN you're ALWAYS WRONG
it’s not the leaning tower or pizza and we get fringe benefits not FRENCH benefits
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
look, it's not an awful idea I guess, provided we give up nothing more than a box of bats
but we already have Dex and Iannetta to worry about “showing up” and “reaching the ceiling” – sure, Aviles may have some kind of potential, but I’m having trouble seeing him as anything more than a flash in the pan.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure and as I said I prefer Uggla
but when is the last time our FO went out and picked up an $8 million player. I just don’t see it happening so I’m thinking of alternatives.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps...
but I think “status quo” is the preferred alternative of no Uggla.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I think the alternative is going to be EYJ
If we’re going to have to be patient with a player he might as well be OUR player.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd love it if he could bring his .382 OBP
to the big leagues somehow. Couple that with 50+ stolen bases a year, I’m in. Dex can hit in the two hole.
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree completely
I love the idea of EYJ at the top, assuming Dex can fill out his swing, etc.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
**WARNING**WARNING**WARNING** SSS ALERT
Aviles UZR/150 this year is 15.
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
...at SS
However at 2B where he’s been spending most of his time is at -4.4
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Barmes also had an awesome rookie year
until DEER MEAT. Just sayin’.
Right now the difference between them seems to be that Barmie has had more opportunities to revert than Aviles has since their rookie injuries…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I do like the idea of Uggla
but I also wonder, do we need another 5 hole type hitter with lower average and a lot of power or do we need a higher average two hole hitter more?
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
ill try to come up wtih a lineup
1- CF Dex
2- LF Spilly/Smith depending on handedness of pitcher
3- RF Cargo
4- SS Tulo
5- 2B Uggla
6- C Olivo
7- 1B Hawpe/Ianetta/Giambi/Helton
8- 3B Stewart
I know its not a Tracey LRLRLR but I think that lineup is pretty balanced with some definite pop
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Dustin Pedroia
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
on the DL
what about Bucholz? Im guessing Theo would laugh at that and hang up the phone right?
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I know. But I'd sure as hell trade for him even on the DL
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by pedalpusher on Jul 19, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
OK
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Two Buchholzs in the pen.....jeepers!
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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That's like a whole hive of B's on our pitching staff.
although, that does give the Pen a new nickname…
“The HIVE’
that’s kinda cool
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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this
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Although Hive kinda of makes me think of
those guys from I Am Legend. That could have that intimidating effect you want from a pen (Hive).
Heh, I never thought about it that way....
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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clay bucholz would start
no way we relegate him to the BP
So who goes to our pen?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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this is all hypathetical since theres no way they'd do bucholz for ianetta but
probably francis or maybe cook
i really would like to give CDI a shot at 1B and see what happens
and no thanks on lars anderson
by purplesocks on Jul 19, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
looks like the only stat the RS care about
is game winning HRs
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
from the article
Beyond that, they want to keep Miguel Olivo, who can void his $2.5 million club option and become a free agent if he makes 41 more starts.
i did not know this. its pretty likely that Olivo reaches 41 more starts right?
looking at Cots it says
# 1 year/$2.5M (2010), plus 2011 club option
* signed by Colorado as a free agent 1/4/10
* 10:$2M, 11:$2.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
* 2011 option may become mutual based on 2010 games played
which is different from what rosenthal says. Anyone know the facts?
but really it's the same thing
a mutual option means both parties have to agree on it
so if he declines the option vanishes
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
ah i see
i thought it meant if they team declined he could still pick up his player option or vice versa. thanks for the clarification.
odds are he would probably decline it right? after the year hes had he can certainly get more than 2.5 mil from either us or on the open market. more incentive to keep ianetta
I think unless his demands are outrageous, FO find a way to resign him.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
i have no doubt they will try to resign him and think he probably will reach a deal with us
i just didnt know the option was voidable and thus it adds a little uncertainty for next years roster. makes keeping ianetta more of a priority this trade deadline just in case olivo is able to leave
I wouldn't want to trade CDI unless someone made us an offer that we can't refuse
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Hmmm...
Considering I have a ‘womanly’ (read: irrational, non-statistical, and completely irrevocable) dislike of CDI, I’d probably make that trade for some deer meat and a case of beer.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
we haven't taught you to love him yet
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
I was going to ask AMart why he was in the corner
last Thurs…but I got side tracked into my beer.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
yes. it's a mutual option based on games started.
1 year/$2.5M (2010), plus 2011 club option
* signed by Colorado as a free agent 1/4/10
* 10:$2M, 11:$2.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
* 2011 option may become mutual based on 2010 games played
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think the Red Sox have anybody that I would want they they would be willing to give up
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 19, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh goody my name is on an image
/finishes packing
/note to Mom
/shoots self
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
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KIDDING
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
KIDDING
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: BUT HE'S SOOOO CUUUUUUUTE!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: We don't need no stinkin' Uggla
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
the SDcat line killed me
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
that's not even what the trade was really:(
but that’s okay
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
LOL...I see what you did there
but since I don’t exist, I guess I can’t die really
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
So who will watch this, of those with MLB Network
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10049361&topic_id=7417714
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
It's the Chisox, no? If so, when why?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Ozzie Guillen is a hoot
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Oh yeah, that would make it worth it
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Hm I don't know for sure...
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
I think its one team...Something like what they did
with the Pen
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Trade talk on MLB network
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10049361&topic_id=7417714
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Renck has today's lineup
Rox lineup
lf smith
2b herrera
cf Gonzalez
1b giambi
c olivo
rf hawpe
3b stewart
ss barmes
rhp jimenez
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
Is Smith leading off so as to keep everyone else in their normal spot?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Dex is getting a day off to rest
Atlanta Sabbath or something.
Your guess is seriously as good as mine
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
I find this lineup to be a bit bizarre
Why is Herrera not hitting leadoff? Does Smith have a better OBP? Where’s Dex?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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I thought it was a bit strange as well.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Dex is getting the day off, bumps and bruises
Herrera doesn’t have the greatest OBP
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
this lineup is lacking an Uggla
My Hate List;
1) Cubs Fans
2) Charlie Manuel
3) The Giants
4) ESPN
5) Yankees and Red Sox Fans
Seems I was right about there being far more yeses than nos in the Uggla department.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
Of those who voted :)
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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That was the point of the poll.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
really wolf? Is that what a poll is for?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
I still don't want Uggla
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I think there are different types of yes though.
I think there are at least a few (like myself) who are fairly ambivalent about him.
Why not make another poll with the trade pieces and see what you get?
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
we really just wanted to get a broad idea of "How many are pro and anti Uggla" and that was all
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I know, but I think it skews it because
like Holly says, it really all depends on the asking price. I’d be curious about a more specific poll.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
too many bizarre factors to take in
there’ll always be another variable.
If you are that curious, and I say this non-snarkily, but go right ahead and make your own fanpost or whatever and we’ll see what happens.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh I'm too lazy for that...I don't know how to make a poll. It scares me and I'm unwilling to change.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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you push the poll button and type your options
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I'm not sure you could put enough options in a poll of this sort
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meh...
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why is this meh
that’s how you make a poll.
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I just meant meh...I guess I don't care that much to do it....
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That really wasn't what we were curious about.
This wasn’t AMart and I looking for some sort of complete profile on the range of Uggla desire. We literally just said this:
Me: I think the fanbase seems to be overwhelmingly positive about the idea of Uggla
Andrew: I think it’s more even. Also, I need Rockpile topics.
Me: Put a poll in your rockpile about this.
Andrew: I could do that.
Voila!
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I want you to go to your room and think about what you've done.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
I'm already in my room, but I have to go shoe shopping.
So no.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
SHOE SHOPPING
/zones zappas’ out
FIFY
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i think you may have missed the reference
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
zappos is a shoe shopping website..
and I totally typo’d that in my reply…
sad panda
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yep still missed it
that’s ok
I bet ATF will get it if he gets back to this
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm missing a lot these days...
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oh i definitely get it
Just jumped back in again last night.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 19, 2010 4:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
lol'd truly
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Helton may be coming off the DL tomorrow, according to Harding and Renck
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Well
Bye bye, Eldred.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
3 LH 1Bs for the win!
Iannetta next, plz.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
This is MR HELTON you're talking about, young man.
You do not question the Toddfather
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yeah mr trick back .600 OPS hurting the team all season Helton
had better goddamn be ready to play
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
in 2010 we kinda do :-/
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I guess my sarchasm inflector device is not working today
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Am I the only one who is not real comfortable with his quick return?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
/raises hand to the sky
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No you aren't
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
If Todd improves his production on offense then I'm all for a quick return
the likelihood of said occurrence is sadly minimal
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
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something is afoot..
and they also seem to be really pushing Tulo to come back quick as well. Unless these guys have super healing powers
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If they do I'm rushing to touch Tulo and Todd
my knee hurts today
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word
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Slightly OT here, but does it really matter if you put the left ear bud in the right ear and vice versa?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
.....no?
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sorry.....just read your sig Muzia......very OT
I have to quote this…
Rowsdower: Come on Baby….don’t let me down
Servo as Troy: I WONT Rowsdower!!
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terrible terrible movie
but that stupid kid and his gremlin teeth slay me
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If you get the DVD it has an interview with the guy who played Rowsdower
Nice guy….although he takes that movie very seriously. lol
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I actually liked Rowsdower
but that gremlin kid gave me dental-related nightmares
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"what would coach Don Shula do"
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yeah the Zsonka stuff was killing me
I would wake up to those lines, laugh, pass back out
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okay yeah but so were you
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uh huh
you ate my ice cream didnt you
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actually no
it’s still just “chilling”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
wasn't that the guy from "There Might Be Blood"?
oh wait…..that was milkshakes
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I dunno...lemme try...
/head explodes
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
by The jDub on Jul 19, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Been watching too much Scanners lately
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Yes, it does matter..
the sound is appreciable different…
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hmmmmm. I can tell no difference
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
what's that you say? I can't hear you due to the my ears being on backwards.
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huh?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
dumb joke....
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kind of
some stereo effects aren’t as cool in the wrong ears
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I notice when watching movies...
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good call. I was just thinking music
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More from Renck
Tulo sked 21-22 on springs Play in tulsa 24-25 for 9 innings. Pinch hit 26. Return to Denver on 27. Then possible activated 28
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hmmmmm.
I don’t know what to think of this schedule
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aggressive you might say
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Tulo's rehab schedule makes sense.
The Sky Sox are only home for four games (Monday through Thursday), then go on a 12-game road trip. Tulsa starts a new homestand on Friday, which makes sense, especially if the Rockies want to keep an eye on Tulo in their home minor league parks.
that doesn't seem to be rushing it.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
and its all baseball, you're welcome :-/
the other thread is more entertainingish though
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I'll stick to the baseball thread.
Too young to be involved in the OT stuff :P (and to be honest, a little uninterested) :P
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 19, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
we're trying to get our toy airplane off of the neighbor's roof!
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
also I think I called everyone in here stupid at once
it was great
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
which confuses me
since I was in the other thread when you posted that, am I stupid?
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I'm pretty sure I called myself stupid
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Because really...when I think stoopid...
I think Andrew Martin.
/checks to see latest AMart post…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
which other thread??
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this is a joke, right?
the other 800+ posts today?
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the one I've been shamelessly reading/replying to all day?
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Jeez, it's all I can do to keep up with this one
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the other one isn't worth it
really it’s stupidity but we wanted the baseball thread to be less buried in OT
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Uh oh, AMart looky.
Via Renck:
Iannetta’s bat will likely earn him a start at first or third soon. Tracy wanted to see Ubaldo get an extra day of rest.
WHAT!?!?! Smart Tracy!?!?
Tracy trying to be smart with Ubaldo now so they could poss be used on short rest later in the season if necessary.
Can somebody figure out this tweet from Ringolsby?
todd helto eligiblle activated tues. o dec yet. more likely wed if he checks out in workoumo ad tues y
probably some coded bitch tweet to Renck
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2) Charlie Manuel
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i think he had a stroke in the middle.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
the "o dec" part or the "workoumo ad" part
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Workoumo Ad?
I love those guys
Clearly he’s referring to their Orange Decisions album
by Andrew Martin on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
/dies
/resurrects
/dies
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or maybe
he was dismantling an atomic bomb at the bottom of the ocean, and the pressure got to him. you know, like in The Abyss.
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
AAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!
You did not just mention that movie. So good until the last few minutes, then the stupidest ending ever.
Another wonderful example of the rectal extraction school of filmmaking…. (Thx Destro!)
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I left my Vodka speech decoder at home
by BringItHome on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
brilliant
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I'm going with:
“Todd Helton eligible to be activated. Tuesday. No decision yet. More likely Wednesday if he checks out in workouts Monday and Tuesday”.
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and someone has been drinking since 10am
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what concerns me is that I had no problem deciphering it.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Would that make you "someone"?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmmmppppppppppppppphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
is it bad if I retweet this?
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I just can't. I feel bad :-(
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me fail english? that's unpossible
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
EY jr beginning rehab w/ CS tonight.
EYJr
Rehab games with C.Springs SkySox starting tonite! 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 19, 2010 3:54 PM MDT reply actions
Big time.
I think EY2 coming around could make the Uggla talk moot (unless people want him as a first baseman, in which case, I’d say look at cheaper options).
Not meant to PO everyone here, but I just don't get all the EY2 love.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
I don't want to purchase order anyone either...
but he’s young and fast and the son of an original Rockie…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
the key there is "son of an original Rockie".
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
who's next? Dante Bichette's kid?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
next year yeah
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no, seriously
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That depends
on whether he passes Mark Kiszla’s background (locker) check.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 19, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
also is he willing to:
a) star in father/son commercials
b) grow a Dante mullet
3) bite his lip and pump his fist when hitting walk off jacks
c) learn that wrist/bat spin thing
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 19, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
and be better than Larry Walker in the field
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Sorry...
I call this an average Saturday night…
bite his lip and pump his fist
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Only differenence there is Dante Bichette's kid will end up being better then Dante Bichette
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he has Eckstein like peskiness
which is really helpful at the top of any order. He will got on base just and cause trouble which is the last thing a pitcher wants when facing guys like Tulo and Cargo.
He needs a lot of time with Ricky Henderson as a Mentor for that to be true.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
no he doesn't
maybe just some time with Don Baylor. All he needs is plate discipline and high contact ability and he’s a legitimate threat at the big league level.
Oh great. then he can take a called third strike on the inside corner.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
well inside is inside, regardless of what side you are hitting from.
you can switch sides mid-at bat, but I’m pretty sure not mid pitch.
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he's fast enough to try it
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well he’s fast enough to recognize the pitch, make out with the girl in the third row, come back on the opposite side of the plate and get called out looking.
still, i think it’s against the rules.
Brad Eldred: El poderoso burrito
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Cool Papa Bell could do it
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by Muzia on Jul 19, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And still fail to hit behind the runner
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
you see it better from the opposite side of the plate though
also, he can still perfect the art of the bunt base hit which opens up the infield more as well.
He's as sloppy a base runner as Strawberry was at the same age...
Hell yes he has speed; he needs to learn how to use it.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Which is why I want him mentored.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
by who?
what else does he have to learn at AAA? Especially when we need him now. I’m willing to throw out a couple of caught stealings in the bigs if it means that he’s a terror in the post season and in years to come.
By a Ricky or some other base stealer so he doen't get picked off so often.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
We've got 8 left on this road trip. Who would be OK with 5-3?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Any time any where
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
well let's start tonight while we scout our potential no. 5 hitter.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
The Irony is ...
We will trade Rosario for Sanchez
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
which means 6-5 roadie...
I think anybody would tell you that’s a successful road trip. But I don’t know, I want to be realistic, but I have tremendous expectations. That’s also where you can make up serious ground in the standings…by winning some of the games no one expects you to win.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
after they way we started in Cincy..I'd almost settle for 3-5
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
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I'd be more than okay with it
Especially since I think that’s the very best we can do on this trip. 4-4 much more likely.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
For a four-game homestand for the Sky Sox, the MLB rehab assignments will be stacking up.
Taylor Buchholz still on his rehab.
Eric Young, Jr. starting tonight in Colorado Springs.
Troy Tulowitzki starting Wednesday in Colorado Springs.
Matt Daley also possibly appearing on the Thursday matinee.
And Todd Helton isn’t even figured in this.
Sky Sox fans are excited about seeing these big leaguers
Sky Sox disappointed that tey won’t be around forever
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
The same could be said for the Sky Sox.
The Sky Sox are playing their four home games in the middile of a stretch where 16 of the 20 games after the All-Star Break are on the road. Things get better with 17 of 25 at home from August 4th through August 29th.
I kinda want to drive down to the Springs one evening
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
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Tuesday is $2 Tuesdays. Tickets, parking, and drafts $2 each. Usually a big crowd the last few Tuesday home games.
Monday-Wednesday at 7:05pm this week, Thursday at 12:35pm MT.
Ugh, if I wasn't going back I would so go
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Too Bad ladies night is sexist!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
who needs ladies night...I can hopefully afford 2 dollars
well…never mind I cannot…lol
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
I'm already in hock from that damn jar.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
Clint Barmes: Do you want to lose your job to Uggla?
QPU Member #4, Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #4, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
Right at 1900 comments today between the two threads
I think this OT idea has life
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
WHEN CHICKS HAVE HOT FRIENDS AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE HOT FRIEND DUCKS FLY TOGETHER
Denver.SBNation.com
Agreed.
I approve.
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