Saturday Rockpile: The Phillies are still mad, Dexter is still bad, and the Rockies are still looking for the wrong tool for the job
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 24, 2010 7:43 AM MDT
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- Amongst Troy Renck's blurb about the burying of the hatchet that occurred between Jim Tracy and Charlie Manuel, he mentions that Dexter Fowler's slump has run up to 1-for-32 with 11 Ks. Fowler looked very good out of the gates after returning from Triple-A, but he - like the rest of the Rockies' hitters - can't seem to figure things out on the road. Only three more days...let's just get one win and get the hell out of here. Judging by last night, although the proverbial binoculargate hatchet has indeed been buried, the Phillies still don't look all that pleased to have the Rockies in their ballpark.
- Peter Gammons believes the Rockies aren't going to be so quick to deal Chris Iannetta, whom the Red Sox still apparently badly covet, as they are intrigued about using him to platoon with Brad Hawpe at first base. Still, Giambi gets loads of the playing time, though, so it doesn't look like the Rockies' plans are bearing much fruit right now.
- Troy Renck has heard rumblings about the Rockies' apparently ascending interest in Toronto relievers Scott Downs and Kevin Gregg, while SI.com's Jon Heyman hears that the team likes Gregg as well. Renck also says the club will make a call on Pirates All-Star Evan Meek, but all of this is of course dependent on whether or not the Rockies will be willing to part with key prospects. Hopefully, the Blue Jays and Pirates are reasonable with their demands. My question is, do the Rockies really need another reliever when there are probably other more glaring areas of need? Discuss.
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Yay.
I’m the first one again.
Director of Rockaholic Affairs and Supreme Supplier of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Jul 24, 2010 9:08 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Kevin Gregg: DO NOT WANT
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 24, 2010 9:15 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
agreed
he has been terrible. And please let Fowler be the one going to AAA when Tulo gets back.
I Hate the Giants
I'd be more comfortable with this if Brad Hawpe was actually hitting.
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He and Tracy both say that it was taking longer coming back from the rib injury
I can’t figure out why the just didn’t put him on the DL
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It's a vicious circle
Dex isn’t hitting so they don’t want to make Hawpe unavailable for 15 days. But if they send Fowler down when Tulo is ready, then they are seriously short in the OF. If both happens, then Miller or Garner would be called up and I doubt the club wants either one of them getting serious playing time at the moment.
Melvin Mora is looking more and more like our backup LF.
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
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sorry for the double posts...:(
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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nobody cares, don't worry
it just means the doubleposter gets teased ;-)
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I can handle that kind of teasing.....
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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so regarding your sig
Do you really think Helton is gonna be “ready” to come back? I’m talking about this with my dad right now too, so it’s fresh on the mind.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I dunno. I'm trying to remain optimistic :(
I think he has to come back for at 10 games…but in my heart I think he’s going to retire after this season.
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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My dad is saying that Helton is a realist and sees the writing on the wall.
I don’t think that’s the case, but if his rehab goes very well, and I don’t mean “oh look he’s walking a whole bunch!” but rather “Oh look he’s batting .350/.470/.500” then yeah, I’ll put on my hopeful hat and cross my fingers.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The team is already in such a roster crunch as is with Herrera/Helton/Tulo
You think they would make another 40man move to bring up Miller/Garner?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 24, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely not, and that's why Hawpe and Fowler are still up right now
We are short on healthy, capable OF at the moment, and I don’t believe Fowler is the one sent down when Tulo returns
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who would have ever thought we would be short on healthy, capable OF
Considering none are on the dl?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 24, 2010 10:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a good thing Mora is versatile!
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He and Tracy both say that it was taking longer coming back from the rib injury
I can’t figure out why the just didn’t put him on the DL
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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Agreed
of all the relievers mentioned, Gregg is the one I’d want the least. And I don’t really want any of them. But I remember watching Gregg at Coors, and he’s gotten lit up there. I have no interest seeing him in a Rockies uniform, at any cost.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
God I hate Kevin Gregg...
the guy has never been good, why the hell are looking at him for?
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Jul 24, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree Bullpen
i would think is the least of our concerns right now
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
I dunno
I think that if you can pick up a good bullpen arm or two, it can’t hurt. They do have Corpas and Floras still in there. And Chacin needs to get back to starting.
one day does not a successful reliever make…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
true enough
but does 3 weeks a successful reliever sink?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
No
he’s been better, but do you actually trust him in the game when its a tight situation, or do you get that tightness in your stomach when you see its him?
Me? I hate when he’s in the game in any situation other than mop-up. I’d trade him for whatever I could get, and bring Daley back up.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 24, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
oh I don't disagree
He’s been somewhat effective in the long relief role, and I’d rather let him sop up garbage innings than waste a short-inning reliever on them
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Now that you mention Flores,
I wouldn’t mind another lefty out there. I’m perfectly comfortable with the righties. Street, Betty, Belisle, Bucky and Corpas, with Chacin and Rogers if we need them. But we’ve only got Beimel and Flores from the left side, and I’m not at all comfortable with Flores in a crucial situation.
I just noticed the Twins might be looking for an infielder. Hudson is going back on the DL. Again. We seem to have a bit of a glut of infielders. Just a thought, but I wonder if there might be any kind of fit there?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
How many lefties do we need?
You have Beimel for the crunchtime lefties and Flores for the less-crunch-time lefties.
Beimel has allowed a .496 OPS v LHP, .604 OPS v RHP
Flores, .593 v LHP, .639 v RHP.
Flores has struggled outside of everything but low-leverage, and Beimel has thrived in high, medium, and low-leverage.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm fine with Beimel
I’m just looking at down the stretch and in the post-season. In crucial games, we could really use two guys who could handle lefties in high pressure situations.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
A lot of teams will make activations for just that reason
trash the longman (because your 5th starter becomes the longman) and bring a specialist on board: either a pinch runner, defensive whiz, or LOOGY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Do we have anybody anywhere
we could activate as another LOOGY? Anybody who would be an improvement over Flores?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Matt Reynolds.
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think he's on the 40
/Checks libra
Assuming I can read Wolf’s chart correctly he is not on the 40.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
No he's not.
A move would have to be made to get him up. The only thing I would even imagine happening is if we release Flores and bring up Reynolds. Or one of the lefties get injured.
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
And I believe we have a couple of guys worth seeing in our system
especially since Reynolds has been pretty much money, and Brothers is not far off either. Would I trust either of them in a pennant race, not sure. Sometimes giving teams a look at someone they have never seen before works very well.
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
The problem with both of these guys
is they are not on the 40 man roster. They are both pitching well but we don’t have room to make the kind of roster moves to bring either of them up.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Good point
It might be interesting to get a look at Reynolds. I doubt Brothers is an option for this year.
Still, they’re both unknowns for this year, and there is the 40 man roster issue pointed out above. If the price is right, I’d still be interested in seeing them find somebody who would be an upgrade this year.
Of course, unless we moved somebody on the 40 man to get them, we’d still have to get them on the roster…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
EY2 transferred to the 60-day DL to make room for Buchholz
That’s the move I was expecting. Young has been on the 15-day for over two months now, so the move doesn’t really mean anything.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 24, 2010 10:26 AM MDT reply actions
I figured as much
when is he eligible for return, given the retroactive move?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
60 days after originally going on a DL
It just means we’ll have to make a 40 man move when he’s ready to come off.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
at the game
A little early as they haven’t opened the gate yet. No one has vomited on me yet but the bar barely opened at 11 so
I’m not for selling top prospects for kevin gregg or most of the others mentioned but should they want morales great
by arpagamos on Jul 24, 2010 11:00 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Question about today's game
I’m certain I’ll be stuck watching Dodgers/Mets. With my MLB.TV subscription, can I listen to the game on Gameday audio? Or is that blacked out as well? I couldn’t find clear information.
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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yep as in blacked out?
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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if you try to watch the game like you normally would
it will still be open in the mlb.tv window, but you’ll hear the audio. you can use either team’s feed.
excellent! Thank you!
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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sorry
Should have been more specific but blake is right also after the game you can watch the archive
by arpagamos on Jul 24, 2010 11:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks! good information. I appreciate all the help!
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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I checked my channel guide last night
and I’m stuck with White Sox/A’s. That’s even worse than Dodgers/Mets. At least both of those teams are somewhat in contention. Oh well.
Wait what? Sorry holly...that really does suck
If Ubaldo wasn’t pitching, I just go and get my hair done…I’m just waiting to see his next no-hitter :)
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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I got Dodgers/Mets ugh.
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, the game is on ESPN radio
so for anyone out of market that has a local ESPN Radio affiliate, you might be able to find it there if you can’t get Gameday Audio.
I have a feeling they might get one soon
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It's on TBS right?
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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yep
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
the games on fox for me...
And I’m in utah
by Paxtin on Jul 24, 2010 12:06 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Rox lineup
Spilly RF
Herrera 2B
CarGo CF
Seth Smith LF
Stewart 3B
CDI C
Hawpe 1B
Barmes SS
Ubaldo
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:17 PM MDT reply actions
This is a pretty interesting lineup, lets hope it bears fruit.
Can’t wait to see Tulo in there instead!
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
Rockies just need to win.
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
CDI catching Ubaldo?
Sudden turn of events for Olivo
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
He's been struggling bad. Baaaaaad.
He hasn’t even been playing good defense lately.
37 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 24, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm aware
I just hope Iannetta turns it up in Olivo’s absence/non-productiveness. I do like how he has been calling games lately, I think he’s doing a better job than Olivo in that category.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
I had a dream last night that the Toronto Blue Jays beat the Yankees 117-2
It was so awesome!!!!! Toronto scored 54 runs in the second inning alone. (Too bad this was only a dream.)
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 24, 2010 12:28 PM MDT reply actions
Seems like the second
would be kind of early for them to bring Joba in
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 24, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha
I can’t remember who the pitchers were each inning because I wasn’t wating the game but instead watching the highlights. It was a weird combination of strange and magnificent
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 24, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Did the linescore add up to the actual score?
Seems like in my dreams that if there was a 117-2 score, the individual innings wouldn’t add up because my subconscious isn’t that smart.
by controlled_slide on Jul 24, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't remember ever seeing a linescore
I just remember seeing the 54 run second inning and a whole bunch more runs by the Blue Jays after that. That was probably my subconscious’s way of avoiding doing the math
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 24, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
My subconscious would somehow throw in a 5 for the Yankees or something. It gets confused easily. If I think too hard about my dreams they definitely don’t make sense. I had a dream the other night, and I think I was on Mars, and then, like 3/4 of the way through I was like “wait, I can breathe here? Is there air on Mars? I don’t remember.”
by controlled_slide on Jul 24, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Dreams fascinate me
They never make sense when you think about them later but they usually seem completely legitimate when you’re having them.
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 24, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
enjoy the game everyone
I’m off to a wedding in Loveland
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
and
GO ROCKIES!!!!
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
its photo day
Should I go down and stare at some philly players in my rockies jersey
by arpagamos on Jul 24, 2010 12:33 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
go ask them questions
about who their favorite players were growing up. Give us a full report.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
I'm totally picturing a creepy guy in a Rockies jersey just lurking around staring silently at Phillies players
and totally unnerving them. LOL.
This needs to happen
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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OMG!!! The sun came out!!
Seriously it’s been overcast since I came back
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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We need a bat and better hitting coach in my opinion
I like Baylor, but seriously every since he took over the job the K’s have skyrocket and Rockies doesn’t seem to know how to swing the stick.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
Damned if I know what the Rox need.
Not sure it’s a personnel issue — seems more of a team-wide inconsistency. I guess, if there’s one thing I’d like, it’s guys who put the ball in play more consistently.
OT rant here: what ever happened to the Rod Carew/George Brett kinda guys? Y’know, dudes who wouldn’t mind choking up a bit to battle pitches off and then ultimately beat you. I guess Ichiro sort of fits that bill, but there aren’t many like that anymore. Everyone’s gripping and ripping.
Those of you old enough to know who charlie lau was know what I’m talking about — we need more guys who had his philosophy. And we could use a couple on the Rox.
Inconsistency from top down
It all starts with Tracy. Last year he was praised for setting a consistent batting order and sticking with it. This year it might as well be Hurdle managing with the day by day changes. I can understand an injury sub, but platooning a third of your lineup everyday seems wrong. Find your best 8 players and let them bat in the same order every game. Rest one of those 8 once in a while especially if a good matchup is present, otherwise leave the order alone. Tracy has way overmanaged this team this year.
I think the problem is determining who those best 8 players are.
I don’t think we really have a clear answer to that right now.
I keep jumping from uber platoons to "starting 8" and then back again.
I do NOT envy his position and am slowly, SLOWLY backing off of him.
It’s more when we’re winning and doing well and he’s playing lineup-go-round that I get confused.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Pinch hit Lance Painter and I agree with you....
They don’t teach how to adjust to the pitch the way we were taught. If some one can find a copy of “The Art of Hitting .300” Please send the copy to Ian Stewart care of the Colorado Rockies
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
and Chris Iannetta
and Brad Hawpe
and Clint Barmes
and Dexter Fowler
and Seth Smith
and Ryan Spilborghs
and
and
and
and
by Andrew Martin on Jul 24, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
And that's what's frustrating about this team.
Anyone can be a hero at any given day. And that makes it fun and exciting to watch the team. But then there are the stretches where there are no heroes, and there are lots of strikeouts/pop-ups/GIDPs.
And trading for a consistent (or even somewhat consistent hero) is too expensive.
(Though maybe if the team wasn’t so constantly banged up, there’d be a greater chance of someone being the hero at any point.)
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Methinks you'll need about 60 copies to go around
Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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