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Alright, there's still not much to say about the Rockies current road trip other than blech. Blech. It is derailing pretty close to the worst case scenario unless the Rockies bounce back to win these last two games in Philadelphia. As I mentioned at the start of the trip, in that event it will require pretty much the entire month of August to make a recovery, if a recovery is to be made at all. 

Blech.

Yep, I'm pretty much convinced when the MLB scheduler gives a team ten or more consecutive road games after the All Star break, they're showing a rooting interest for that team's opponents.

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A couple of highlights from Renck's tweets....

Rockies holding a “team meeting” in around 20 minutes. Also, Hawpe potential trade candidate to the White Sox, if the Sox can’t get Adam Dunn. That comes out of nowhere, it seems.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 8:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Renck suggests Mark Teahen as a target

Why? I have no clue. The guy hasn’t played since May. I’m not opposed to trading Hawpe, but not just for the sake of clearing PT. He is almost assured of being Type A after the season.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

As of two weeks ago, he was ahead of nine other NL 1B/OF

including Ryan Howard, Adam Dunn, Corey Hart….Should he be Type A? Probably not. But I have a hard time seeing him drop that far the rest of the season. Those in the Type B categorization now are CarGo, SethSmith, Angel Pagan, Cody Ross….

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

But would Type A/B even apply if he only becomes an FA

….by us declining the option? Because there’s no arb involved there.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

....I think so?"

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Plus

Type a probably hurts his free agency because no team is going to want to give up draft picks to sign him. Then again, arb is risky with hawpe if he accepts, so perhaps we don’t offer it.

by moomacher on Jul 25, 2010 10:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

even if we decline the option then we would have to offer him Arb in order to benefit from the type A

and idk if we offer him arb. i think theres a good chance he would accept and that could be just as costly as his option

by purplesocks on Jul 25, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Hell No!

I don’t want Hawpescotch going to the White Sox!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden

by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 25, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Color me a sad SDcat if this happens :(

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't seem to have a sad crayon in my box...

isn’t it some kind of blue?

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Jul 25, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's the same color as

vomit.

Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...

by The jDub on Jul 25, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

jerk

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty right wing

So maybe I’m giving the Monfort’s a pass when others wouldn’t. But it seems to me that he’s pretty much being a grouch. Sure, no one wants an organization to support criminal cases like Roethlesberger or Jones, or even questionable medical decisions like McGuire. But it’s not only evil owners on that end of the extreme; apparently, owners on the “goody two shoes” end of the extreme are evil, too?

Yeah, the guy’s just griping for the sake of griping.

by Yokel on Jul 25, 2010 9:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

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2) Charlie Manuel
3) The Giants
4) ESPN
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by wolf213 on Jul 25, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed, that entire article is stupid

There’s an awful lot to blame owners for (being from DC, I can vouch that Snyder’s a particular douchenozzle beyond compare for his treatment of Redskins fans).

But there’s nothing the Monforts seem to overtly do that promotes any particular political or religious agenda at Coors Field. Seems the writer’s just still pissed off about all that FCA-type of stuff that came out a few years ago.

And I say this being very left of center and not exactly religious. I have zero problem with the Monforts having Faith Day, etc, at the ballpark. Heck, if Faith +1 ever played a pregame set, I might even come out for it.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

To clarify...

The article is a quasi-review of Dave Zirin’s new book (not the expressed opinion of the article’s writer). Zirin argues that the douchenozzleness of owners like Snyder (and Steinbrenner for holding NY hostage over the new Yankee Stadium and Owner X for doing Nasty Thing Y) is ruining sports. Though Zirin’s the king of hyperbole and weird analogies, I most of the time think he’s right on. “Bad Sports” is no exception.

You know, for whatever it’s worth.

by Bokosse on Jul 25, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I sorta miswrote, because I was referring to Zirin, and not the linked article, my bad

He takes on easy targets (Dolan, Steinbrenner, Snyder), and seems to have an anti-faith ax to grind. So yeah, as long as his agenda is known and printed in bold type, sure, why not.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree...

Zirin doesn’t have an anti-faith ax to grind. He has a pro-sports belief to push. This might be veering off-topic (but it’s about the Monforts, so maybe not), but Zirin mentions the Monforts’ faith because for him, a particular owner’s faith/politics/opinions on dinosaurs don’t belong out in the open at their team’s games. This becomes especially so when that owner received all kinds of public subsidies to build the stadium.

by Bokosse on Jul 25, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, but besides holding "Faith Day", where exactly does the Monforts' faith...

….come out in the open at Rox games at Coors Field? That’s sorta my point. . The PA announcer isn’t proselytizing, no one’s ever handed me a “REPENT” pamphlet while waiting for my Rockie Dog, etc. I just don’t see it.

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough...

I haven’t read Bad Sports yet, so I don’t know what exactly Zirin’s getting at. In my mind, there isn’t a place for Faith Days at any ballpark just as there wouldn’t be at my local Target store. My guess is that this is what Zirin’s saying as well.

by Bokosse on Jul 25, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's no worse than all of the stupid Los Marlins etc crap.

It’s called marketing. and it’s marketing to a huge percentage of the population. Don’t like it? don’t go. And trust me if Target had data that they could raise sale by having a “faith day” they would have them once a month.

by Roxfan24 on Jul 25, 2010 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

They draw a good crowd for "Faith Day"

but they don’t sell very much beer.

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by RdRnnr on Jul 25, 2010 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smart

so our answer to the teams offensive offense is to go after a guy in that hits no better than Clint Barmes, but is a crappier fielder? I think i will pass on Peralta.

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4) ESPN
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by wolf213 on Jul 25, 2010 9:03 AM MDT reply actions  

My guess is the Indian don't want much for him

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Either way

we don’t need him.

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2) Charlie Manuel
3) The Giants
4) ESPN
5) Yankees and Red Sox Fans

by wolf213 on Jul 25, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is he a worse fielder than Uggla? I'm asking. I don't know

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but probably not

Peralta has played shortstop every year of his career until this season. So his UZRs would compare to MLB SSs.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else starting to think that there are bigger problems within the organization?

Something seems off, more so than just players not hitting or pitching….maybe McGregor’s passing is far more of an impact than we realized? I’ve been thinking this for awhile.

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 9:07 AM MDT reply actions  

Hard to put a finger on it...

….but if that were truly the case, I still doubt you’d see this show up so quickly in on-field results.

I still think our bigger problems are that we can’t stay healthy, which exposes our weaknesses (propensity to strike out, a rotation of U-Ball + a bunch of #4 starters, etc.), than anything else. I am starting to think we need to look at planning for 2011-2015 instead of worrying about trying to leapfrog everyone in our division now.

We’ve got some nice pieces, but it’s clear that several players (Helton, Hawpe, Barmes, probably Cook) aren’t going to be taking us to the promised land.

But then, there’s nothing a six game winning streak can’t fix, right?

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by Mondogarage on Jul 25, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo going down is finally starting to show up.

In the teams offensive stats on this trip and as the guy who leads the team in the right direction when they go off course. In my head yesterday when U-Ball couldn’t throw a strike I was thinking Tulo would know what to say to get him back on track.
  Maybe I am giving him too much credit but that is the only thing I could come up with.

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by Neclord56 on Jul 25, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

You may have a point....

I believe that Tulo’s leadership is sorely missed by the entire team.

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by Roxman on Jul 25, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

According to Renck

The Big Cat showed up in the ATL clubhouse to congratulate Martin Prado for hitting an upper deck home run in Florida. I’m pretty sure we’d get that attention too, if our offense did that

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 10:05 AM MDT reply actions  

On my way for more punishment

Plus side is it’s about 10 degrees cooler today and we are sitting four rows behind Rockies dugout

by moomacher on Jul 25, 2010 10:12 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

This is a good sign

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

man it was brutal yesterday

i left in the 7th inning…couldn’t take the heat anymore and the annoying Phillies fans who mostly know nothing about baseball

Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt!

I was at Friday’s game and the heat was stiffling but I’m sure not as bad as it would have been for an afternoon game. I was expecting the worst from Philly fans but was a bit surprised. Other than the loud mouthed know-it-alls in the seats behind me and the obnoxious jerk that waited on me at Jim’s Steaks on South Street nobody really paid any attention to me and my sons wearing our Rockies jerseys and hats.

by jegrove on Jul 25, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

ever since i got my Jimenez shirt on my birthday

(June 11)…he has not pitched well…i blame myself for being the jinx…and man this team is brutal to watch right now…please turn it around guys…

Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 AM MDT reply actions  

I got a Ubaldo jersey on June 18, the day after his start against the Twins

His next start was where he came unglued the first time, against Boston. I tried something new and hung it in a clothes bag in my closet before yesterday’s game. Yeah…

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 25, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

haha

yep…nothing doing

Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sports Illustrated ....nuff said

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
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by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

very true

Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 25, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

SI Jinx for sure!

Enough of this mediocrity...win the NL West title
VOTE: Hawpe for 1B! ---- Hawpe for 1B!
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by TripleT-Rox on Jul 25, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have zero problem with people expressing their faith

I have met Dick Monfort at charity events and he was an ok person. Faith days are fine as well. I only worry about the religious zealots who will come to Invesco when Tebow comes around… but that’s another subject.

The only thing that bothered me about the “faith” thing is it kinda created a goody two shoes thing within the organization. I’ve always felt we needed some sort of, dunno, EDGE I guess to get this team places where they should be. I could be wrong about that though

"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying

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by jpage78 on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 AM MDT reply actions  

I think some of the players do have some edge to them.

Beimel(tats and Johnny Cash), Hawpe(hunts,rocks pimpin shirts and drives a Shelby Mustang..nice).
I do think we lost a bit of edge when Torrey left. Maybe Olivo needs to iniatiate a 2 point takedown of Victorino today. That would be a beautiful sight.

I think they are all very decent people. I prefer this than another round of Denny Neagles :)

Ubaldo Jimenez: He's still gonna win the CY
Brad Hawpe: Fix that swing!
Todd and Tulo: Ready to Rox and roll
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt Hawpe is a player people point to as someone who has edge

I think Tulo had it. I’m not asking that players start bringing gun’s into the locker room (ala Gilbert Arenas) or get tattoos that say “I f**k like Superman”….I just think it’s an organizational thing. There is such a thing as “too nice”

"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying

Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. One step at a time.

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by jpage78 on Jul 25, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Rox Main Problem...

 Is they need to face a reality check. The 2007 core was empheral. With the production of Holliday and Atkins gone and Todd faceing baseball old age; The present core of Tulo and Cargo cannot pull against the weight of the present lineup. Hawpe haveing a Bad year isn’t helping.
 Stweart and Ianetta are good pieces, but are they the right pieces? EY2 and Dex are our Bonifacio and Maybin . As exciting as they are on the bases; Is the rest of their game ready for prime time? The common thread is they don’t hit for contact; We are playing Weaver Ball instead. We are waiting in vain for the three run homer all the time. Roid ball is over and you have to get back to baseball norms.
 I like Johnny Herrera because he doing or trying to do the “little things” that used to be expected. Yes he’s bad when he tries to hit the three run homer. Those are the expectations put on him by his nay sayers. At this point I wish we had more John Herreras in the system.
 You ask what is wrong with Weaver Ball? My answer is we don’t have and never have had the kind of pitching staffs that he had. The SABR/ Fantasy mentality over looks to many of the factors that made Weaver Ball possible. Those players were more “rounded” and complete players. When players had a hole in their game: their back ups did not have that hole.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Jul 25, 2010 10:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Why you gotta be all philosophcizing and stuff?

Kidding dood. Well said BRAH!

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by The jDub on Jul 25, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your "Weaver ball" reference is lost on most here

They didn’t see it, and can only go look at stats to try to get an idea of what you’re talking about.

And yes, I saw it, and know exactly what you’re meaning.

The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

by rockieprogress on Jul 25, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

For the unintiated....

 At the end of the pitchers era; the Orioles had one of the best pitching staffs in baseball history. Their Defense was solid; more than any team You see today. Boog Powell was the weak link at first. They hit better than the Rox do for contact and everybody except Belanger could Mash (some Pitchers excepted). Even their Pitchers were better than league average at the plate. Many games were 2-1,3-2 except the Orioles always seemed to win 5-2 because of a three run homer. That was Earl Weaver Ball.
 It wasn’t common but then Yankees started doing it. But those teams played small ball well to when they had too. The A’s, Reds,Phillies, and Dodgers were balanced teams. The Mets and Red Sox had holes. The Rox don’t have that balance.
 That was late ’60’s thru the seventies baseball.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Jul 25, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

One thing I've learned following Rockies...

When things are seemingly at rock bottom, it can change around in a hurry. Baseball is so cyclical. Nearly every team the Rockies are fighting for wild card has gone thru a similar ugly stretch in recent weeks. How do think the Cards felt after getting swept at Coors wih a couple of excruciating blown-save losses? I do think the Rox need to take 1 of the last 2 at Philly, then a surge to get back to 10+ games over .500 in the next two weeks and we’re right back in WC contention at a minimum.

by DeepPurple on Jul 25, 2010 10:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly. 3 weeks ago the Gints lost 8 or 9 in row

And were written off. Now look. Home cooking and a weaker schedule can fix alot. 12-5 over the next 17 games cures much of this. That said I’m quite frustrated right now.

by Roxfan24 on Jul 25, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

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