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Rockies linked to Jorge Cantu, Ryan Theriot

Denver Post beat reporter Troy Renck has been giving us the down-low on potential trades popping up in that may affect the team as they prepare for what needs to be a pretty epic stretch run.

 

The first, and we've discussed this at length, is Jorge Cantu. Cantu would provide some extra pop in a pretty power-starved lineup, but the questions remain as follows:

1. He's been in free-fall since April.

2. He's defensively questionable.

3. He's redundant to Melvin Mora.

4. What exactly is the price tag?

5. Who pays the rest of his $6M salary this season?

All indications are that Florida REALLY wants to move him, and it looks like the Texas Rangers are in on him as well.

My personal opinion is: given the redundancy to Mora, the high salary, and the fact that we might have to give away ANY kind of talent makes this a deal I'm really not interested in. I don't see him as a realistic improvement to the team.

You can read more details and background information on this trade from Troy Renck at the Denver Post.

The second player that has been brought up just in the past little while is Chicago Cubs IF Ryan Theriot. Theriot has played mostly 2B and 3B with the Cubs, although he has taken reps at 3B and in the OF as well. UZR grades Theriot as an above-average 2B and a below-average SS. He seems to have lost a step in 2010, as far as range goes, but he's only a year removed from some pretty solid fielding.

Theriot's bat has also been on a decline since 2008, but he has been able to maintain a respectable .283 batting average. His best full season at the plate came in 2008, .307/.387/.359, good for a .745 OPS and a .338 wOBA (103 wRC+), however he posted a .934 OPS in 50+ games back in 2006.

While Theriot is hardly a power threat, he is a 20+ SB threat, and his 90.2% contact rate is better than any other position player on the Rockies. If he can re-find his plate discipline, Theriot could present a very promising on-base player for Colorado. Theriot is also arbitration-eligible in 2011, so this would be a move that would have impacts next season as well as this. Theriot is also only making $2.6M in 2010, which is less expensive than Clint Barmes.

My questions would be these:

1. Again, who are we giving up for Theriot?

2. What role do we expect Theriot to take with the Rockies? (Utility, starting 2B?)

3. Is Chris Nelson a non-factor?

My opinion: I am hesitantly ok with this, but that entirely depends on the return to Chicago. Theriot, while I don't think he's all that great, is at least quick and scrappy and stuff like that. I typically make fun of it, but it'd be great to have someone to make change for all of our big bills. All that said, Theriot COULD make something of himself again, but seeing how this is his Age-30 season, I don't really anticipate TOO much of a renaissance. I'm very Meh about this trade potential

As a final note to this trade rumor article, Renck suggests that Clint Barmes could be interesting to many a team. We've heard of interest in him the past few seasons, and Renck puts it as such:

  I know teams keeping eye on barmes if rox try to move him. He would be upgrade at ss for at least 10 teams

Kind of puts things into a bit of perspective, huh? The investment in Barmes, as far as money this season goes makes him kind of disappointing, but the fact that he can slide all over the infield without us missing a beat and at least do a good job defensively makes him valuable to us. But if a Theriot trade goes through, we'll be sitting on like 3 or 4 redundant players for the 2B/UTIL job come 2011.

None of these moves are serious impact moves, but they're at least interesting. Something to kick around. Keep your ear to the ground, maybe this week will get more interesting for us after all.

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do not want either of them

Theriot…really…Herrera is basically the same player offensively wise and Herrera has a better glove than him anyway so why even bother getting Theriot…and what about Chris Nelson

Cantu come on now…is he realllyyy going to be that big of an upgrade at 1st…no…not at all

Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I wanna riot!!!

/ehh, not really

Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!

by WalkInRight on Jul 27, 2010 4:11 PM MDT reply actions  

put me down in the dont want either camp

Neither seems like an upgrade over our current players

by purplesocks on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Don't know where to post this...

but Street just took a line drive to the midsection. Players looking on with concern… ambulance en route.

From Twitter (@RockieRoad, @Harding_at_MLB)

by nkrause on Jul 27, 2010 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Ian Stewart finally hits a line drive

and it takes out our closer.
I really hope he’s OK.

A new guy.

by NinjaSwan on Jul 27, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

We have a closer?????

I guess I forgot about that over the last 12 days…

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Jul 27, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

FREE NELSON!

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed!

He is the real deal. I would take him over either of those two players any day.

by BringItHome on Jul 27, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has it ever been considered that Stewart could play first?

Barmes would be a solid third baseman and Chris Nelson could play second. At this point I will consider anything if we’re actually considering Ryan Theriot!!

by BringItHome on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Based on the play Stewie made on the snap throw from Olivo in yesterday's game, he can definitely scoop the ball.

Move him to 1at, move Iannetta to 3rd, ride olivo/Mckerny behind the plate until Rosario is ready, DFA Barmes, promote Nelson to play second, let Herrera be the super-utility. Problems Solved!

Oh, trade Hawpe will he can still garner more than a bag of batting practice balls, promote Helton to the front office, DFA or Trade Mora…

(this is probably why I am not GM!)

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Jul 27, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you want my head to explode?

That was too much to consider for one comment.

by BringItHome on Jul 27, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come on, keep up!

"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle

by BittenAnkles on Jul 27, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huston Street hit with line drive in BP

From the Cowboy:

" Rockies RHP Huston Street hit by line drive while playing catch in RF during batting practice. Taken off to be examined. 10 minutes ago via web"

The hits just keep coming…. @$%$&^!!!!!!

by 5280 on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM MDT reply actions  

discussion

in the rockpile

There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK

by jrockies on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

from Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
  
Teams that checked in w/ #Rockies today say they’re not in buy or sell mode yet. Told to check back Fri after #Pirates series. #trades

by Andrew Martin on Jul 27, 2010 5:19 PM MDT reply actions  

It's sad

that we have put ourselves in the situation where we have to sweep the Pirates to be in buy mode

fffffffffffffffffffff

Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic ~ Robert S. Wieder

by Rawktober on Jul 27, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pro Theriot, Anti Cantu

The way I took it, Theriot would essentially replace Barmes, but not within the same trade. Personally, I like the potential change in plate approach between Theriot and Barmes. Plus, I would expect that Theriot would serve the same role Jamey Carrol served in Colorado, playing as a semi-regular super sub and a caddie to Chris Nelson as he settles in to the big leagues. My guess is the front office is not fully convinced of Herrera’s breakout either, so Theriot represents a hedged bet on Nelson and Herrera in ‘10. I’d be surprised if Theriot would command a big return.

Cantu is really just a por first baseman with a reputation for RBI’s, just never been a fan and the cost sounds awfully high.

by David OhNo on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, this during his first trip up the ladder

However, there’s something to be said about a player like Kila that looks appealing on paper but hasn’t been shown the faith in his abilities by either the underwhelming parent club or teams needing to fill a first base void.

Besides, can’t have three 1B only types with Helton and Giambi still around.

by David OhNo on Jul 27, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

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