Friday Rockpile: How to Deal
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 7:00 AM MDT
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I was thinking about buying a brand new TV next week, but now I've decided to sell my old one instead. Or have I?
All this energy spent wondering if we're buyers or sellers, and in comes Sports Illustrated's Jon Heyman from the Twitterverse to save the day.
#rockies might be willing to trade a starter, such as cook. not really a seller, more a rearranger now. have depth at SP.
REARRANGERS. There's a term that fits the bill. As we approach the trade deadline tomorrow, Rockies fans prepare to see what sorts of deals are made. Several Rockies, including Joe Beimel, Brad Hawpe, Clint Barmes and Aaron Cook (well, sort of) have had their names sprinkled about. Beimel and Rafael Betancourt were pre-deadline acquisitions for the team last season. Ironic that both may become potential trade chips for us now.
The team's philosophy at this point is this: we're not entirely out of contention, but our journey to the post-break Malebolge has put us in a position to consider the fact that it will take more than a couple tidbits here and there, the Jorge Cantus and Ryan Theriots of the world, aren't going to be what pushes the team to the postseason. The only trade we could possibly make that would have a significant impact on our final 2010 position would cost us some of the farm, thus potentially risking future runs for one that's more than a little unlikely. Instead, we must carefully asses the organizational position for the rest of this year and the next, and begin to take advantage of these considerations when it comes to the trade market.
Trading players like Beimel (who is not a season-maker) or Hawpe (whose value may plummet during the offseason) or Cook (whose salary off the books would free up more than a little spare change) are not the raising of the white flag. Instead, these and other proposed trades represent an "organizational rearrangement" that will set us up for our core to try and play us out strong, while we optimize our 2010 exit strategy by polishing the budget and maybe finding ways to get potential 2011 team members like Chris Nelson or Matt Reynolds a little bit more familiar with the MLB.
This strategy will allow the Rockies as a whole to continue to fight for whatever chance they can this season, balanced with considerations on 2011 and beyond. I do not expect any significant trades, but there are always surprises at the deadline.
So far, we've seen a couple of small trades (Cantu, Jhonny Peralta, Scott Podsednik, etc.) and some bigger ones (Roy Oswalt, Dan Haren). Two days left to squeeze out any moves before trades must be following an exposure to waivers.
Links n' bits after the jump.
Troy Renck's ever-informative Twitter feed told yesterday of interest in Hawpe from the Padres, in addition to the White Sox. The White Sox, as we learned earlier in the week, are considering Hawpe as a backup plan to Adam Dunn. Fox Sports' Jon Paul Morosi added the Tigers to that list. Renck speculates via Twitter than Hawpe's last few games have helped the case to let him stay the couse.
Yesterday's news feed at the Rockies official website at MLB.com, material written by staff writers Thomas Harding and Joey Nowak. Stories includes notes on Aaron Cook and Dexter Fowler's recent performances, as well as a good little piece on Joe Beimel's attitude towards trades.
"There's no sense of worrying, so I'm not giving it any thought." - Joe Beimel
For whatever it's worth, he'd like to stay.
Kirk Mitchell of the Denver Post reports that the death of Rockies president Keli McGregor earlier this year has been ruled to be of natural causes. "Natural causes" is a term that confuses a lot of people; it basically means that there was no reported evidence of any foul play and/or external cause like poison or drugs, or in other words, it was related to some sort of natural medical condition. Specifics of this report were revealed only to next-of-kin, per Utah law.
A quick reminder: Todd Helton will be beginning his rehab with the Casper Ghosts tonight. What an awkward place for Todd to rehab.
With the trade deadline around the corner, national news on anything else of note is rather short. Keep your eyes on Twitter and MLBTradeRumors today; more moves will be made.
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"exist strategy"
I like that.
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ducking the potential flamewar?
or ducking the mods for attempting to skirt the rules/regulations?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Fixed.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
toss something in about the Casper LiveBlog
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Already a front page story about that
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
But it's a ways down the page
Those just checking in this morning for the Rockpile will miss it. Not everyone peruses all content. Some read nothing but Rockpiles…
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
The mods. lol
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
JFK
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
If either of you would like to add it, that's fine
I’m about to drive to the airport, so I don’t have time to go do it this second.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I wasn't being snarky, I thought it was clever....
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It was accidental, so not clever. Just poor proofreading. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Learn to take credit once in a while ;-)
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I'll take credit when I deserve credit.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Mildly amusing Jon Heyman story
So I was watching my twitterfeed Wednesday afternoon, and I saw one of the minor league reporters I was following having a heated disagreement regarding Jesus Montero with the twitter account SI_JonHymen, or at least that’s who the message was sent to. I was amused that Heyman’s last name was unintentionally misspelled to mirror a female body part, until I clicked on that account. That page existed, and this person was arguing/mudslinging with bloggers and writers all day long.
I didn’t really thing anything of it, until my twitterfeed started getting many messages about how SI_JonHeyman was an immature little 11-year-old. The original writer involved in the Montero slapfight was complaining about how immature and unprofessional SI_JonHeyman was for blocking them based on a disagreement. At least five other writers on my feed were saying something similar. Heyman’s actual feed included several clueless “What? I didn’t block her” type messages. Shocked that I seemed to be the only person in twitterverse that caught on to what was going on, I wrote to all involved to inform them of the imposter, but there was still over an hour of mudslinging to follow before light bulbs went off. Heyman message(twittermentioned) me to thank me, because I was the only one who could figure it out and it was “good to see there is nice folks out there.” I still cannot believe no one could differentiate between JonHeyman and JonHymen.
Twitter is ripe for character assassination.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 7:50 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Oh Hymens...
that was awesome…
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
awesome
that is HILARIOUS
Yes, I actually do like cricket. I'm Indian.
"We could have had Jesus on the mound and [the Rockies] still would have gotten hits." -Paul Lo Duca
"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
“thanks. I never blocked her…. good to see some nice folks out there. and u were who figured out it wasnt me.”
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 4:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i think Craig Calcaterra fell into the trap too
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Casper may be an awkward place for a MLB veteran rehab
But that doesn’t mean that I won’t take advantage. I am going tonight and tomorrow – 3rd row and right next to the Ghosts dugout/on deck circle/1st base. Helton is scheduled to DH tonight and Sunday, and play 1st on Saturday. If I ever figure out how to post from my mobile rather than just read from it I’d give in game updates – though I’m not that tech savy when it comes to the modern mobile phone.
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
its amazing
How much better I feel about the team after last nights win even though it was against the pirates I still like to be optimistic about all things and last night gave me hope that maybe we can make a push for the postseason. I like the word rearrange and I think that is the best plan for the rockies, we have the pieces the guys just gotta start focusing and get a winning streak together.
"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano
by nodakroxfan on Jul 30, 2010 8:17 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
So whatever happened
with the “emotional embrace” between Dac and Hawpe last night? Several commenters in the GT were SURE that Hawpe was being traded.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
tonights game doesnt start for over ten hours
Plenty of time
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 8:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The trade to take place
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
In ten hours, a hug can really linger....
….jeez, like the length of an Erasure 12-inch, even.
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12-inch single. Get out of the gutter.
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LOL
you kill me.
“12 INCH guys…”
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/looks around
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“that’s right I SAID 12 INCH, guys…”
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/crickets chirp
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Erasure is the key!
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. One step at a time.
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I might be alone in thinking the erasure joke card has been overplayed
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Remember when?
Do you remember there was a time when people on the street were walking hand in hand in hand?
They used to talk about the weather, making plans together, days would last forever
Come to me, cover me, hold me
Together we’ll break these chains of love
Don’t give up, don’t give up
Together with me and my baby, break the chains of love
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The real question would be
if Hawpe is traded, will Smith actually get to play everyday, or can we expect more of Mora? If we are just going to get Mora, than I am no longer voting we trade Hawpe. If Tracy writes Smith’s name in the lineup everyday than I am all for it.
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
More Smith
this really should have happened over the off-season. I don’t think Hawpe will fall off the earth like Atkins, but his bat will continue to gradually decline. He’d be fine for first next year, but going forward it’s best to get what they can for him.
I'm not sure why Hawpe's decline seems to have been so obvious
He was only 30 when the season started and his OPS was .813 in his “disastrous” 2nd half last year. Not great by any means. But not terrible
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I know, I made the same argument yesterday
I don’t think he’s going to fall off the map, I just don’t think he’ll be the best option come 2012. I’d love to see him full time at first, except for those wild “inconsistencies” he has.
Our OF should be Smith, LF, CarGo CF, Spilly RF in my opinion.
Send Dex back down until he figures it out. Trade Hawpe if there’s value to be had, otherwise use him as the 4th OF and part of the 1B rotation.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by pedalpusher on Jul 30, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but
I don’t recall anyone saying they thought FOR SURE he was being traded. I thought it was quite unusual for Hawpe to put his arm around Dac, a PITCHING coach. It seemed to be a reassurance or “it’s going to be okay” kind of embrace. And we speculated if this was a sign of anything impending. Simple as that….
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Maybe not verbatium
but the resident lip readers were pretty compelled.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I think one said, it looked like Dac was saying to Hawpe,
thanks for getting the HR for us or something to that effect. I can’t read lips, so I could tell what was being said, but like I said it was odd and yes it did make me wonder if it was a sign of something impending.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
*couldn't tell
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
You weren't the only one
and I wasn’t referring to you.
I’m mean it’s not a negative and I’m not trying to incite anything. I’m seriously curious if that was just a GT sideshow or if there was actually any merit to it.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I'm not sure why you are calling it a "sideshow" (and yet say you are not being negative)
We saw it. FSN kept the cameras on Hawpe in the dugout for awhile after he hit the HR. It was peculiar enough to be noticed.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
How does sideshow have a negative connotation?
…but I’m not talking about FSN…I’m talking about the multiple posts in the GT…which detracted from the game action…THUS “sideshow”.
JC…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I"ve only heard the term "sideshow" in connection with a circus.
The reason I mentioned FSN is because that is how we saw it. Thus triggering the discussion.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
It answers your questions about the GT discussion
and how it got started. If you choose to view discussion of baseball players and coaches interacting in the dugout as not a part of a game…well that’s up to you. I don’t think it distracted from the action at all.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
O...K...?
so why did you say this, other than to be argumentative?
I’m not sure why you are calling it a “sideshow” (and yet say you are not being negative)
Also, I didn’t say it wasn’t part of the game. I said it detracted from “game action”.
So…it still answers nothing.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I'm moving on from this discussion
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
I felt that you were being insulting
by using the term “sideshow” about our discussion of Hawpe.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Right...but yet you failed to show me how that has a negative connotation.
unless circuses are negative in your world.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I told you my opinion
I’m moving on from this discussion
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
So typical of you
you opine…I ask for clarification…and now you’re “moving on”…
Don’t accuse me of being negative (even after I preface it by saying ’it’s not a negative’) then bail when I simply ask you to point out how so.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Alright, can we all just be done?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Just happens that you're the last comment every time I scroll up
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Right...
but I’m the one being accused of being all negative…and I just asked her to show me how…and she got all in a huff…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I'm not in a huff at all.
I said that I thought you calling our discussion a sideshow as insulting and negative. That’s my opinion. I said I was moving on because I’m tired of the discussion. I have my opinion of what you said. That’s it…..
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
and I asked
HOW was that negative…especially when I clearly said
I’m mean it’s not a negative and I’m not trying to incite anything.
So, you’re just being argumentative
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Am I entitled to think your tone was
negative in your original post? I am entitled to my opinion, simple as that.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
You're entitled to do whatever you want.
But when I CLEARLY preface it so that my tone WON’T be mistaken…it looks like you’re just picking a fight.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Oh I'm over it...
I had a bit of a poopy diaper this morning.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
you're picking a fight brah
you’re not the bad guy, it’s just a stupid argument
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Whatever. I’ve got better things to do with my time. but it’s absolute BS that I’m getting scolded here.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I shushed you both
she’s being overreactive and you’re picking at her overreactiveness and she’s arguing about whether or not she was being overreactive
and seriously it snowballed
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
You guys aren't married are you?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh DEAR GOD...
I’d kill myself first.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Dude, uncalled for
Just sayin’.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
What comment, that she's "moving on"?
Far diff from a personal insult.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
no, the comment where she'd rather kill herself than be married to The jDub
did seem a bit mean.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I was being snarky....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
snarky = mean
so yeah, you were being mean
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay, I musta missed that one
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I don't mind if jDub doesn't find me a prize...It's a win-win really.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
But I'm moving on to more battles about the Padres
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Kinda like getting to see Yorvit starting in a playoff game
FISTPUMPZ!
WINZ WINZ!
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Except for this season ...LOL
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
this is ridiculous
both of you shut up and go sit in the corner
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Dac
gives plenty of hitting advice. Has talked with Olivo and others. Doesn’t mean he isn’t getting traded just means Dac might have given him some advice that worked.
Yikes...why is a pitching coach giving hitting advice
other than to discuss strategy against a pitcher.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
That could be part of it
Pitching coaches might pick up on nuances of other pitchers, since that is what they are experts at. Such as a flaw that tips the pitch type. Or the strategy the pitcher uses.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
right that's what I'm meaning....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
I agree that he is a smart man..
And said that I already agreed…………
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Didn’t mean to imply that you didn’t agree. Just wanted to answer, since a question was asked.
So everything okay down in SD. You seem a bit… um… out of sorts this morning… not your usual cheery self….
I'm fine today...
I’m in a good mood …internetz misinterpretation I guess……
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
im sure that the pitching coaches give tips to hitters and hitting coaches give tips to pitchers
in the game either Tuesday or Wednesday night they had Dac miked up and he was talking to I think Olivo about sitting on fastballs and as soon as he recognizes the pitch isnt a fastball then he should automatically take it
right..that's what I meant....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
maybe Hawper got Dac a really nice anniversery present?
like a fondu set?
maybe a crock pot?
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
those are nice for weddings...
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Maybe Dac is going to be the hitting coach.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by pedalpusher on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Been a real interesting season
the team started for the first couple of months playing basically .500 ball. The had a hot streak in late June early July that put them on the doorstep. Had a 2 game swing game vs San Diego that they threw away a chance to be in a dead heat at the All Star break. I still think that game looms very large because :
1. You could have been tied for first.
2. You had about five days to stew about it prior to departing on your longest road trip of the year. Which was a complete disaster.
As a professional player you are taught this is a game of failure. It is how you deal with failure that is important. The Rocks response was not good. This team has really had some poor years from several players (Hawpe, Helton, Fowler, Barmes, Iannetta, Cook). I would venture to say only Olivo, Tulo, Beimel, Herrera, Belisle, Cargo, Ubaldo and Smith have played to expectation or beyond.
So the question in the front office is what are they? Are they a .500 team as presently constituted? Are they better than that and going thru the extended slump? Can they sustain a streak to get them back into the race?
Quite frankly outside of Ubaldo (and he has had some issues), and Cargo most of the SP and hitting has been very mediocre to bad this year. The hitting has been really bad. Most of the guys in the lineup are well below career numbers. Is it a bad year? I would venture to say Hawpe and Barmes are on borrowed time. Barmes has a spot as a role player but day to day over the last two years he has shown a tendancy to wear down. Hawpe appears to be on the Atkins plan but I suspect he has played hurt for a majority of the season. Helton appears to be on a Don Mattingly type scenario. His future production will likely be sporadic at best.
Should be interesting over the next few days. I suspect they will deal some replaceable parts for some prospects. Right now they are thin in the AAA ranks. Most of their high ceiling talent is in A or AA ball.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Jul 30, 2010 8:46 AM MDT reply actions
Precisely
So the question in the front office is what are they? Are they a .500 team as presently constituted? Are they better than that and going thru the extended slump? Can they sustain a streak to get them back into the race?
This is why I don’t want Dan O’Dowd’s job
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess our record
would indicate that we’re basically a .500 ball club.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
So Tejada...
Does he make the Padres better or is he just an aging “name” to give the masses so the FO looks like they’re adding offense?
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Both
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmmm...you think so?
I don’t know what his numbers look like, but obviously his best days are behind him. I thought him returning to Baltimore was just a swan’s song anyway. It will be interesting I suppose.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Well sure
The Padres could use a bat. He might not be all that good anymore, but it is still a help
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I listen to the local sports talk radio here in SD
Hoyer discussed Tejada. They believe he can do well at SS….in all seriousness
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
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Technically yes (Fangraphs), but barely
But by a lot if he’s replacing Cabrera in the starting lineup
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
This is correct. Hoyer said it directly
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His best days were behind him as soon as he stopped taking PEDs
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.216 in July
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Not denying that's the plan
Though Jerry Hairston Jr has a better wRC+ than Tejada this year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, theoretically he could
take over 2B if Eckstein doesn’t come off the DL anytime soon.
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Padres don't care about having an aging name.
They have AGone, the Hairstons and Eckstein for those roles. And aging “name” is not what is going to put fans in the seats.
They believe he fills a need a SS because Cabrera is still young and mistake prone…and not contributing offensively as much as he was. They wanted Hawpe, but hopefully DOD laughed and Hoyer he’s crazy if he thinks he’s getting Hawpe.
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Well, we aren't going to get AGone. Is there anyone else you'd want from the Padres?
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MAT LATOS
Heath Bell, maybe Luke Gregerson. Kyle Blanks would be an interesting 1B project.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
But they aren't giving up ANY of those.....
Kyle Blanks blew out his elbow and is going to have reconstructive surgery.
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Blanks may make an interesting 1B project in 2012....
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Well, I like Simon Castro and Jaff Decker as well as a couple other guys but..
yes, it’s not entirely likely the Pads would part with them but I’d still take the call…
Go Bruce!
What are you even talking about?
Adrian Gonzalez isn’t an “aging name”…he’s a bona fide superstar.
The Hairstons and Eckstein aren’t “aging names”…they’re glorified role players who are probably scantly known outside of the division.
Tejada IS an “aging name” because at one point in his career he was a bona fide STUD. He was the 2002 AL MVP, took a big time contract to move to Houston, and as Mondo pointed out has been relatively non existent since he got off the juice. He was moved to 3B because he isn’t deemed to have the range at SS any more.
He doesn’t fill ANY need at SS and probably would be a liability there. His bat is pretty much gone these days, but when you say Miguel Tejada, memories of the mashing SS comes to the average mind…thus “aging name”.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
See my post above about the interview with Hoyer on local talk radio.........
I didn’t say I THOUGHT this…this what the Padres have said about Tejada..
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Eckstein is known everywhere
He has a 2006 WS MVP trophy somewhere.
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Sort of begs the question as to why they were not in on Yunel Escobar
since his price wasn’t all that much higher.
Because Yunel kinda sucks and is on his way to being more expensive, not less
I haven’t read up on the trade, but I suspect the O’s are kicking in a good bit of the $$$
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Yunel has a .901 OPS with Toronto
Might be a change-of-scenery type
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
well that and everyone in the clubhouse hated him
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Not necessarily unrelated points
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes to both
Or, he’s in his first trip around AL pitchers and they haven’t figured out how to get him out yet.
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He's not so lacking in talent that he can't similarly adjust
Granted, he’s faced the Orioles six times. But still, he’s better than Tejeda on both sides of the ball.
.384 wOBA
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
he's a utility infielder anymore
batting a Clint Barmes levels with a poor glove
I don’t see him as an improvement on the team at all.
It’s a feint.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you overrate Cabrera
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
ok fair enough
I wasn’t really stacking him against their existing talent, more in the form of “81 wRC+ = below average = not an improvement”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Below average > Epic suckitude
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
they can now send cabrerra back down to the minors correct?
you only need to keep him on your ML roster for 1 year after picking him in the rule 5 right?
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
this would be correct
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I voted Beimel in the poll...
…figuring there always a ready market for a good reliever. It would seem that the Rockies aren’t really going to use Iannetta and there seems to be interest out there by somebody (Red Sox?) to make use of him. Cook seems to be at the nadir of his value and Hawpe could go but I read in a couple places that he’s the Adam Dunn plan B.
Go Bruce!
Red Sawks are out of the question
I think it’s already been determined that they don’t have anything of relative value to offer for him. Sure we’d take a Bucholtz, or however you spell it, but that’s not who they’d offer. They’d offer some garbage and DOD would laugh.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
V-Mart is back now anyway
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that...
Boston has a raft of bullpen arms in their system as well as Jed Lowrie, It does not appear the Iannetta is part of the Rox Big Picture anymore.
Go Bruce!
Jed Lowrie
actually conjured the most snickers around the Row last time this came up.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Don't base that off the Pirates series
He was given one, maybe two, days off due to his daughter being born. The second game Tracy wanted Olivo to catch Ubaldo. We’ll be seeing more Iannetta
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I was basing it on the entire season so far...
balancing that against the love for him here on the ’Row.
Go Bruce!
The might still be lingering bitterness over how Iannetta's been handled,
but Miguel Olivo has been fully embraced. He is having, for a Rockies catcher, a historically good season.
Jed Lowrie is like David Eckstein-lite.
The reply hasn't been working right all morning
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Read the feedback from the top post
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM MDT reply actions
That was some profile pic...
got me thinking about some things…
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Okay, this *has* to be a fake account
Ever dry shaved your legs on the way to the airport!!!!hahah :) well yea I just did!!
Given the quality of his posts, I’m not sure he ever finished up that GED he was working on…
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well he does play football...
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That was my first thought, but then I figured I gave him too much credit
He IS friends with Manny Machado
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't sweat it, he just wants a lil' RESPECT to go with his fuschia
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I'm confused.........I don't see any feedback....
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you have to click the "feedback" button.
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I guess you have to be signed into facebook
Not sure why
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
So, what do you all think of Kizsla latest take on Gen R
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_15636601
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I usually discount all things Kiz...
nut he sort of makes a point about the Rox falling in love with their own guys – even though all teams do that to some degree.
Can say I agree about Stewie just punching the clock, though.
Go Bruce!
I think it was spot on
and reflects more than one opinion around here too.
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Kiszla is a tool
but in all honesty the Rox do get a bit carried away with “prospect love” (New Erasure song?)
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Or should it be "Tainted Love" and Spilly has it covered
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Generation R
was before Dexter Fowler and Chris Iannetta
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You'll have to forgive Kiszla
He’s a driveling idiot and cannot help his own ignorance
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The Rockies' playoff odds are at 2.9%
40-20 is totally doable
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, if we assume that the team has a 55% chance of winning each game
then applying a binomial distribution gives a 2.5% chance of winning 40. That .550 value seems reasonable, since BP’s 3rd order winning percentage for the Rockies is .546. A better method would be to look at each of the remaining games, and calculate the probability of winning based on run scored and allowed distributions, or better yet, equivalent runs scored and allowed distributions. Then create the cumulative probability distribution for the remainder of the season, and see what the odds are.
I'm not sure that's actually how they do it.
That’s how I would do it if I had the time.
well of course our odds won't look good right now
but hey if we can just get on a winning streak and start gaining confidence again…40-20 is definitely doable…i think 88-92 wins will take WC this year…get it going guys
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 30, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Giambi has talked to Folwer
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Maybe Fowler is getting TOO much feedback and some conflicting?
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reply fail
this should be to SDcat one post up
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the reply thing has been weird all morning
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Giambi says:
“bro…you need more tats. and work on your guns.”
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
garter belts
seem to work well..
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this better be erasure.
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/sings
I tried to discover….a little something to make me sweeter….
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You are so
awesome.
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from breaking my hearrrrrt
sing along guys!!
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Average team
The Rockies have shown this year they are nothing more than an average team of young players who will play around .500. The team is missing the one or two really big hitters, the above average guys who bring a team up a notch and allow them to compete for a championship. Until the head office decides they want to pay some big name players the Rockies always will be just an average small to medium market team. Love these guys all you want but they aren’t going to give you a championship any time soon.
If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
- Yogi Berra
I think you are horribly wrong.
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I agree
Compare our lineup top to bottom to the Reds, Cards, Phillies, Mets, Twins, Rangers, Red Sox, Yanks, Rays and we don’t even come CLOSE.
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
The Mets? Do you watch baseball?
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
You and me both
I’d go as far as to say the Reds lineup is no better than ours, and the gap between us and the Twins isn’t that far.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Twins Have us Beat at
C
1B
2B
LF
CF
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
how in CF
.717 OPS<.860 OPS
also Damn, I did not realize the breakout Delmon Young was having, good for him
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I cannot believe I picked him up on waivers last month in fantasy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
You and me both – I literally said “Woah, Delmon” when I saw that line.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
And the Twins' starting pitching <<<<< Rockies starting pitching
….and Delmon Young.
So what’s your point? That the Rockies can’t spend $250 million a year like the Yankees? Duh.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
funny story
Fernando Tatis? having a WAY worse season than Melvin Mora.
Now where’s Hizilla so I can tell him how wrong he is…
oh right he’s in alaska or something
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
cool story bro
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea the mets was a bad one i was just typing teams
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Yea, you were just typing teams
when you should have been thinking.
“sure, why don’t I just list every large market team out there, because they’ve got to be more committed to winning than the Rockies, of course!”
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Our lineup is already superior to the Twins, who
by the way, don’t add big name players through trades or FA signings. Same for the Rays and Reds (at least in the last few years-Rolen doesn’t count). The Mets are coasting on the talent of their star players, and getting unexpectedly good performances from young pitchers.
To suggest that the Rockies need to follow some “spend big/reload” model is completely misguided. They need to spend to fill maybe one key position: second base, but they don’t even need to spend that much. Maybe some people are too young to remember the Kile (RIP)/Hampton/Neagle days?
pitcher != batter though
not that I’m standing on the point, but just that…well yeah you get it
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
well...
our pitchers should hit better than they do now
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we can't afford to keep fixing the gatorade cooler though
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
are we sponsored by gatorade?
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he's not quite a
Zombie yet. More of a Zambie
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Does that read pitcher excited equals batter?
Or, pitcher does not equal batter? If people want a f*&*ng splash, sign Manny and let him bumble around the OF and hit bombs.
Not pointing this at you, but defensively and offensively talent OFs are really, really expensive. They hold their value and demand long contracts and saddle teams for the last 3-4 years of their deals.
Sometimes I hate myself for commenting because these are already obvious points orfalling on deaf ears..
/slams desk phone into head. feels better.
sorry, "does not equal"
I’m literally just saying “I think a huge FA batter wouldn’t be a Hindenburg unlike a huge FA pitcher”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
there is no "alt" shortcut on a pc
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there used to be an Alt + ASCII code thing
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
it's not a unicode charector
so no alt shortcut. IT sucks…
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it's the option button
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for the mac
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oh god.
those were the worst….
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Twins have us beat at
C
1B
2B
LF
CF
RF Tie
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
LF is, at worst for the Rockies, a tie.
Delmon Young is having a nice season, but match him to Smith and it’s BFD.
As hard as it is to believe, Olivo is beating Mauer in wOBA this year. Going forward, obviously you’d take Mauer (though not with that contract), but this year the position goes to the Rockies.
So, Rockies win: C, 3B, SS, LF, Ubaldo, and RF ties.
Twins win: 1B, 2B, CF.
Rockies are built to win, just not performing. Stop sweating Adam Dunn’s nuts.
So the Rockies win C bc of Olivio this year
But the Twins don’t win LF because…..of not this year?
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
wOBA
Young: .388, SSmith: .380.
Delmon’s also (better, but still) a negative in the field, where Smith is not. Yes, Delmon has been more valuable overall (because of playing time), but it’s quite close between the two. Close enough that if you give RF a tie, I’d also give LF a tie, and the Rockies still win 4-3.
there's a 15 point wRC+ difference
but fielding, yeah, go Smith
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, well
Delmon’s still only walking 4.6% of the time, and I’ll believe that 10% drop in K% when I see it next year (not that 20% is inherently bad).
Going forward, who’d you take?
I would choose Young, honestly
Despite not proving it more than this season, he’s doing it as a full time starter whereas Smith is not. I’m also wary of Smith’s splits vs. LH translating to an everyday job
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
but then again
Young’s AVG fueled OPS could be prone to crashing
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I doubt it
I dare you to find any MLB player with a more consistent BABIP
2007: .338
2008: .338
2009: .338
2010: .340
Career: .340
His LD rate is close to career values if not a bit lower
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
oh damn
good work on the research there
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just as shocked as you are
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
guess that's the epitome of "put it together"
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Sort of hard to argue for Smith now.
Does anyone remember the idea of flipping Atkins for Delmon in/after ’08. Makes me weepy.
oh man
I think we may have been laughed off of the phone on that one even then
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
IDK, one bad season for Atkins at that point
and they said Delmon had attitude problems about making adjustments, etc. It seemed like it could’ve been a poor man’s Yunel-type trade at the time.
Done retrospectively ruminating, though. I’m glad for the Twins and Young that it worked out. People were so unnecessarily harsh about that trade and Young’s performance even though he was 23 and Jason Bartlett had one hot career year.
that's impressive
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JFK
Here's my problem with the splits though:
Young’s ‘09 line against RHP: .271/.301/.383; Smith’s line against LHP in ’09: .259/.363/.500.
Delmon’s fine against righties, but I think Smith can handle lefties as well as Delmon handles RHP. Smith’s real talent-level for LHP is not .868 OPS good, nor is it 2010 bad, but it could .700 OPS.
Consider that a hitter is going to face RHP, at a minimum, a 2-1 ratio over a season, I like Smith using splits.
Add in the BB and K%s, and the defense, and I’m even more confident in liking Smith.
I certainly can't refute your last line
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
But what to make of the splits?
I don’t think there’s enough evidence to relegate Smith to platoon status (though it’d be fine to give him days off when LHP make starts), and I’m not ready to say Delmon is more than a low .700OPS hitter against RHP. Given the disparity in volume of LHP and RHP, I think there’s less in the splits than there seems.
And his LH splits for 2010 are based off of 39 PA
talk about SSS. give him the full time job and his LH splits will look a lot better.
im a huge believer in smith and wish he would get the full time gig
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
believe it or not
minorleaguesplits.com
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
career .745 v LHP in the minors
.743, .736 in the Springs.
Not too bad, but not overly encouraging considering it’s the minors.
Still, the distribution of ABs vs. LHP and RHP for all batters minimizes the importance of him hitting LHP. I
He had almost the same OPS line vs LH at every level
Fascinating
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
He has almost a 300 point split in his career
120 career PA
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
.644 OPS
Worse than Todd Helton’s season line. And Helton has the worst OPS of any non-pitcher.
I realize Smith get’s to face tough lefties and all that, but that’s still bad.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’m not encouraged that he can do what Delmon can do v. RHP. Delmon certainly wins the argument, but much as people want to see Nelson get the bulk of ABs if the Rockies fall out, I’d like to see SSmith get more shots v. LHP. Until then, Spilborghs ahoy.
I would love to see him get chances too
Guaranteed lefty pitching at the MLB level is another beast than in the minors. As with anything, it takes time to adjust. Maybe Smith can. I like him enough I want that shot
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
i think this year has really dragged down that career number
last year he hit .259/.368/.500/.868 in 69 PAs.
Granted another SSS but I would argue that we don’t really know his true LH split potential with only 120 career PAs
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
There's not too much to know from the major league numbers
and the minor league number suggest that a major league line v. LHP might be, at best around low .700 OPS. Not awful, and could be handled with some selective rest.
eeeeshhhh
tough call. Smith is more patient and a better fielder, but Young is younger and more toolsy or whatever.
I PREFER Smith, but that’s just homerism
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Smith 14 HR 43 RBI .288 BA
Young 14 HR, 79 RBI .334 BA
your arguing going forward and now for the rockies
and Delmon Young going forward
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
I don't really know how RBIs translate to this conversation
and you’re taking this year in a vacuum without considering the underlying composition of each player.
You took this year into a vacuum about Olivio
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, so sorry
but it’s Olivo.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
I acknowledged that, and said I'd obviously take Mauer going forward but this year Rockies' C has been better
Are you saying that you’d take Delmon going forward because this year he hits for average and has a bunch of RBIs (mostly because he hits behind Morneau, Mauer, Kubel and Thome)?
In the same way that ERA translates to the JDLR conversation...
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Those numbers don't tell the story
Smith has been a platoon player
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
ehhhhhhhhh
Rockies win CF too, Cargo > Span
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes you are right
I was thinking of DEX
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I can get a rise out of you.
Twins OPS+=111
Rockies OPS+=96
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
How about ERA+?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Rockies: 109
Twins: 106
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Twins get a DH. That’s part of that difference. Also, Morneau is going ballistic this year.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure, but not 15 points difference
And Morneau still counts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh all I’m trying to say is that considering the extra lineup spot AL teams have an inherent advantage when comparing lineup stats.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Until the head office decides they want to pay some big name players the Rockies always will be just an average small to medium market team.
Who were the big name players they paid for in 2007 and 2009, because they weren’t an average team then
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Matt Holliday and the pitchers were all having career years...
…and the Rockies didn’t win a championship.
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The Rockies did win a championship
Last I checked, the National League pennant certainly counts as a championship.
The first time you mention the front office being too cheap to pay, at a time when the team payroll is at an all time high, your argument loses all credibility. But that’s okay, we like trolls just the same.
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Thank you.
Don’t complain about the FO being cheep without realizing that this is the highest payroll has ever been…sigh…
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Mondo
NL Championships don’t count to teams that have won WS Championships. It just means you were first loser.
Off the top of your head, how many AL Championships have the Yankees won? Now, how many WS Championships have they won? See what I mean? Lots of casual fans know about the 27, but no one can name how many times they got to the big game and lost off the top of their head.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
16 years < 110 years
how many WS have the Reds won, off the top of your head? How about the Orioles? What about Cleveland?
Trying to compare the Yankees’ success to a team that just got it’s driver’s license and still can’t vote or buy tobacco is pretty specious.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Astros? Mariners?
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Actually, comparing the Yankees' success to any other team in the major leagues
is pretty specious.
But the Reds have won 3 WS, and the Orioles also 3, if my memory serves…
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd have to look it up
that’s my point. Trying to compare ANY team to the Yankees is stupid.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Phillies
have been around a while, but I really don’t care too much. They have like 10,000 losses so I guess that is cool
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The following National League teams have been in more World Series...
…..than the Colorado Rockies, over the entire history of the Colorado Rockies:
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Florida Marlins
St Louis Cardinals
and that’s it.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
The Phillies ARE growing into a monster.
there’s are really good article up on si.com that touches on this.
Don’t feel sorry for all their years spent losing anymore.
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/crossesfingers
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I'm not so sure...
Economically they can continue to spend because the team as a whole has become more profitable. So, while they may dissipate the farm for a few seasons, the attractive FAs aren’t untouchable for them.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
they're going to be hamstrung by stupid contracts
so at least that will HURT them
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
ONLY
if the revenue plateaus. One of the big points of article, well maybe not big, but a good one, was merchandising revenue. You know they sell a lot of swag when there are people in the stands wearing Charlie Manuel yerseys.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
who in their right mind
would by a charlie manuel jersey?
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I'm surprised at how many people LOVE Charlie Manuel
I guess because he is a loyalist to his players and the good ole boy thing…
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He's also a cancer survivor
and stood buy his gf or wife or something when she went through cancer. I’m surprised that sort of emotional story doesn’t appeal to you.
I didn't know any of that...
I wasn’t being snarky about Manuel at all. I was saying how loved he is…that’s all….
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Given that their park is already a sellout every game
….which is an admirable accomplishment, it makes it very difficult for a big chunk of their revenue not to plateau.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Does phily have their own sports network?
with their sustained winning, their tv revenue will continue to grow as well.
also allows them to up the ticket prices and the sellouts would still continue
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah. Another great point.
…but would that be considered “visionary” or “revolutionary”?
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
way to bring that full circle.
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not anymore since its been done before
thus making steinbrenner “visionary” and “revolutionary”
; )
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
No, Philly doesn't
And probably won’t be able to. Sure, Philadelphia is a large city, but it’s in a media saturated part of the country. Their market outside of Philadelphia itself isn’t that big.
As for ticket prices, Philadelphia ain’t NY, and folks won’t dip into bottomless pockets for continuously increasing tix prices and maintain the sellouts.
Sure, there’s room for growth, but not anywhere near the pace of their payroll growth.
Their hope is they win a couple more championships in short order, because that will allow the process to sustain itself for a while.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope you're right...
and Philly isn’t NY…but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t room for ticket hikes.
But as far as the network…Philly has a viewing audience that is 41% bigger than the Red Sox…they’re getting bandwagon fans big time. The might be able to do that network thingy.
I hope you are right, but I’m not sayin…I’m just sayin.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
There is room for price increases...
….just not nearly big enough to sustain their payroll growth long term.
As for the network, their viewing audience is larger than Boston’s, but Boston has the “ZOMG SAWX NOMAH!!!” national following that Philadelphia doesn’t have.
Which means NESN can get more in satellite fees, and such.
Sure, they’re starting to get bandwagoners, but it’s a short wagon ride, because until the last 4-5 years, the Phils pretty much spent their entire history at near-Cubs futility.
I’m not ruling out everything you’re thinking can happen, but I think the odds of it actually taking place are pretty long.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah...but not so grasshopper...
considering that they ARE all sellouts, it would leave one to believe that they could raise ticket prices.
That supply curve is still on it’s way up.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
They're done after next year
Werth is gone, Doc will only have one more year, Oswalt will be gone, they’ll be saddled with Howard’s contract, Utley will be 33, Rollins will need to be paid, Victorino gets expensive, Polanco will be eating up $6M.
They’re a fiscal mess after 2011.
i think doc is the type of pitcher that will still be great into this late 30s
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Fine, but Doc is only under contract through 2013
via an option, and he’s still going to cost $20M. He and howard are going to account for 33 to 40% of the payroll, plus whatever they have to pay Utley, Rollins, Victorino will bring that total to 5 players and 80%.
Not good.
This is utter bullshit
(Sorry RMN!)
The separate leagues existed before the WS. Aside from the Yankees, name me ONE SINGLE TEAM that does not consider the league pennant a championship. ONE.
Why is the National League Championship Series not called the “National League One Step Prior to the World Series”?
Why does the National League Championship Trophy say “CHAMPIONS” on it?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Yankees fly all of their pennants at Yankee Stadium.
You’re right. League Pennants are like 1A to the WS’s 1. They’re not number 2.
Its not BS.
The Giants fans KNOW their team hasn’t won a WS in SF. It galls the hell out of them.
A lot of people here seem to think that MLB is only important since the inception of the Rockies. I’ll use your comment for instance:
The following National League teams have been in more World Series… …..than the Colorado Rockies, over the entire history of the Colorado Rockies:
Then I’ll add, the Cubs have been around how long? When they went to the Series and LOST, 10 times, does anyone think a Cubs fan cares that they won a Pennant? Anyone believe that a Cards fan hasn’t rubbed it in that its been over 100 years since the Cubbies and their “loveable losers” fans have won the Series?
Why is it a big deal to a lot of you (not you personally, as a group) that the Rockies haven’t won a Division title? How many times did the Braves win their Division? Are they considered a disappointment because in that time, they only won ONE Series? You bet they are.
Sorry about it taking so long to give my reply, I had my laptop overheat when I was replying and had to change computors.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Do the Braves run around gaining respect that they won 14 straight Division titles. Not quoting that they won that many, gaining respect because they did. Most think they should’ve won at least 3 WS Championships, if not more.
Its not a success to win the Pennant, its only the World Series that is considered a “Championship”.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
pretty sure there's been a crappile of commentary and articles
saying “WE REALLY WANT A DIVISION TITLE”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
If you want to argue history…..
The Giants win the pennant!!! The Giants win the pennant!!! The Giants win the pennant!!!!
I guess those words meant nothing, like…"uh, the Giants just beat Pittsburgh today, now we get a chance to play for a real championship.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I feel like this conversation is leapfrogging eras
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Not to mention brains
The Cubs part is still LOL.
I’m not sure what’s happened to the Row lately, but someone threw open the stupidity doors this week and let everyone in.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
threw open the stupidity doors
Was this for me? I’ve been here a while, but usually just read daily. I work at night so game threads are out for me.
FWIW, I’m over 50 and have been following baseball, daily, since 1970.
I follow the Rockies (other than the fact that I live in Aurora) because they play in the same division as the Giants, and I love to see the Giants get beat and hear their fans whine like babies.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Not at you in particular
In general. There’s been a lot of stupidity on the Row lately.
And while I won’t call you stupid, trying to say a pennant isn’t a real championship, and citing the Giants in doing so, is a stupid argument to make — especially when probably the single most historic call of a pennant-winning play involved the Giants winning the pennant.
And citing that one was in NY and the team is now in SF is entirely irrelevant.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm feeling a bit like Dr. Sam Beckett
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
nice.
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I'm with you Mondo...
This is silly to dismiss the Rockies as not real winners when they have a pennant……
And RMN is probably right about the eras. I think nowadays if you don’t win it ALL everytime, somehow it’s a failure.(I don’t agree with that premise at all).
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I will say this about the eras.....
This whole discussion points to one of the few (but biggest) faults of interleague play.
Prior to interleague play, winning your League Championship was pretty much an entire enchilada on its own. Talk to many players, especially those from the 50s-70s, and it’s clear that winning their League meant everything, and that the World Series was equal parts very important, and yet a short series “exhibition”, because they didn’t play each other aside.
If you were a Dodgers player, it was at least as important to smack the Reds and Giants to win the National League as it was to play a 4-7 game series against the Yankees.
But in the interleague era, where the “major leagues” have pretty much become the NBA in some respects, I can see how younger fans can be somewhat ignorant about the importance of the actual leagues.
There’s a reason the AL and NL are “leagues” and not “conferences”
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
That didn't make winning the pennant any "smaller" than before
Because those playoffs were always against the teams you had to spend all season beting
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Not really
Beating the Yankees allowed Dodger fans or Giants fans to rag on the Yankee fans because all the teams were in the same city. A’s fans ragged HARD on Giants fans after the ‘89 WS.
I know, I was an A’s fan and inter-city, inter Bay-Area rivalries are the BEST to allow you to rub it in the face of someone that will do it to you if THEY get the chance.
Its one of the things that is lost on Denver. Its too far to the next city to have those bragging rights. But, fior an analogy, why do you think the Yankees, RedSox, Cubs fans come out in droves and rub it in in our stadiums? Because rubbing it in is what it’s all about to them.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey Kansas City! We…ah, you don’t care anyhow.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Kind of hard to rag on someone
that is 400 miles away don’t you think.
Its like thinking the Raider fans care about what happens in Denver. I can assure you, they don’t.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
but but division rivals
and denver cares so much about them
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
are you being serious? Hard for me to tell…
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
well denver does bitch about division rivals a lot
I guess I’m surprised Oakland doesn’t bitch about Denver more
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
You haven't spoken to any Raider fans lately.
They do.
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he doesn't care
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by jrockies on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a Raider fan.
I speak to lots of Raider fans, and I can assure you, those that have been Raider fans since the Lamonica days don’t care about the Donkeys.
Oh, and so you know, YES, we hate Al as much as anyone else does.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
So you can understand why,
my Dad and my best friend were3 SF fans. Giants and Niners.
I chose Oakland as the teams I would root for. The stadium was better, and it allowed me to have a natural barrier with my Dad.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
take out the 3^
fingers are too fat this morning.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
A natural barrier with Dad
I like that. Needs more.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
As one who hates OT threadjacking, I apologize to everyone here.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I can accept that.
But in the forum/blog world I’ve seen Raider fans revil in the failure of the Broncos.
And all us Broncos fans love what Al Davis is doing to the Faiders.
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This isn't really relevant, and certainly doesn't support your point on meaninglessness of pennants
Baltimore
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania
Marlins
St Louis
Anaheim
San Diego
Milwaukee
Seattle
Toronto
Minneapolis/St Paul
Atlanta
None of those teams share their city with another team. How would a league championship feel any lesser to them?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying
But there are some useful analogies there.
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia
Cincinnati-Cleveland
Anaheim-Dodgers
and it could be argued Cards-Cubs, all share geographical rivalries. Either by state or historical rivalry. Their fans all bust on each other, even when they’ve moved away from their childhood homes.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with you here, but it's straying from the point, sorta
Yeah, rivals to bust on one another, but they’ll bust for winning a pennant as well, not just a series.
I know the Rockies don’t really have a natural long term rival, but that’s more to do with their recency than their geography. I think we’re in the midst of developing one with Arizona.
There’s a lot less of a Pitt/Phil rivalry than you might think, because even though they’re both in PA, they’re actually worlds apart from one another. I’d argue that Cincy is a bigger rival of Pittsburgh’s than Philadelphia is, at least according to my friend who grew up in Pittsburgh.
I’m sure Baltimore and Philadelphia would have been great rivals, except that the Phils sucked for decades, and when they finally got any decent, the O’s started sucking.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh guys at work absolutely hate the Eagles and Phillies.
Pittsburgh is a powerful clique. They are so tight amongst themselves its almost surreal.
Agreed on Phily and Baltimore.
Let Cincy and Cleveland get to the Series. Watch what happens when one of them wins. Until the other team could win against them, the fans would hold it over them until the day they die.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Cincy/Cleveland
I agree with you completely
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
The 1983 World Series Respectfully Disagrees
It’s just that there wasn’t interleague play at the time
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I just wanna know where
Marlins is at. Sounds like a cool town.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
And to think
you didn’t get the Pennsylvania twon reference…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
At least you can actually go to Pennsylvania...
…not taking away from the fact that I still want to go party in Marlins.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
well, watch out for the bill. I hear its a drag…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
There’s a reason the AL and NL are "leagues" and not "conferences"
More likely, they are conferences because the AFL merged with the NFL and the NFL was already a “league”.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
2 distinct games though
what with the DH and the metric system and all
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
metric system = amazing
/for everything except American sports
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JFK
Ha
I laughed
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
You don't think there is something magical...
about 27.43200 meter between the bases?
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it gets my motor humming.
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needs mora gas.
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I'd say Mora primed his pump quite enough!
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Yes....just a silly joke
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Exactly
They were separate leagues. And in the very beginning of the merger, remember, the first Super Bowl didn’t even sell out. Winning your league was all-important. Credit the NFL for making the Super Bowl what it’s become.
The NL and AL are still separate leagues. Some of that’s been lost in the Selig era, but that does not diminish winning your own league’s championship.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
No
the reason that the NL and AL can remain “leagues” is because they play under the shield of “Major League Baseball”.
The NFL never would’ve changed the name on the shield to allow two “leagues” to exist. They considered themselves the victor in the rivalry,a nd wouldn’t have allowed Al Davis to “win” that point.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats the NY Giants in 1951
Not the SF Giants, and winning the pennant, not division playoffs which started in 1969, allowed them to get to the World Series, where they got beat by the dreaded Yankees.
Two totally different things IMO.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is....
To a member of the 1966 Baltimore Orioles, winning the American League meant everything. And that to a member of the 1970 Baltimore Orioles, winning the American League Championship really wasn’t much of a championship, right?
I mean, that is what you’re saying.
Never mind the fact that most of the players on the two teams were the same players.
I’m pretty sure none of them will tell you that one American League title meant any less than the other.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
No, thats not what I'm saying
But, you’re using 1966 and 1970 because the Orioles won the WS both of those years. Use 1969 and 1971 against 1966 and 1970 and you’ll get a much analogy of what I’m talking about.
The World Series is held in MUCH higher regard that an “exhibition” game.
It means EVERYTHING.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
*game= game or serises.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
*sersies=series
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay, ask those same Orioles
…did your 1966 AL championship mean any more or less to you than your 1969 or 1971 AL championships?
I’m pretty sure all the AL Champion banners I’ve seen flying in Camden Yards look the same.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
except now they're used to sop up tears
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I hear
atkins accidentally used one as a napkin when he was eatin’ ribs.
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This is why I keep saying "success can be fleeting. Enjoy it while it's here"
To the original point:
The pennant used to mean a whole lot more a few decades ago. The WS wasn’t an exhibition and you still wanted to win the thing badly, but you only played teams in your own league during the season, so the pennant winner was always the team being gunned for and there was a lot of pride in it.
Interleague play has cheapened the pennants a bit, but I still like it….
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What's to like about interleague play?
Only positive I can come up with is the opportunity to see stars of the other league.
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More variety, less imposed separation
While it’s probably radical position for most sports fans, I would be largely in favor of eliminating the league separation entirely.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Can of worms: unintentionally opened. Oops
nutshell summary: stars and teams of other leagues. Chance to see DH/non-DH strategy (on TV anyhow, I wish they’d play visiting team’s DH rule instead of home team’s). I also don’t like the “designated rivals” bit, since it’s about variety to me, but alas, the commissioner doesn’t consult me on these things :-)
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No worms
And I’m probably the opposite of Wolf; radically committed to the National League as a seperate organization.
I have heard the “visiting team” rules suggestion, and agree that (assuming that there has to be interleague play, and the idea is to “expose” the other league to fans who might not otherwise watch) it makes more sense.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
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Why have different rules at all?
Were the leagues to merge, I would expect the rules to be standardized.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
THANKYOU THANK YOU THANKYOU!!!!!!
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That's the direction MLB appears to be headed.
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If transportation can be arranged...
… there are proponents of including the Japanese League as well as various Latin leagues into major league baseball. This is another idea I am in full support of, though it will be difficult to produce. It’s a fifteen year plan t best, probably more.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
It would make the term "World Series" a bit more appropriate...
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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wow
I was just making a simpsons/stone cutters episode reference…
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They'd probably say that 1969 and 1971
did mean more to them. They got beat before they finished what they set out to do.
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by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
*more should be less
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Paying big time players isn't necessarily the answer
We’ve been to the World Series more than the Dodgers and Cubs in our existence, for example
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
stupid
Marlins, Yankees, Braves, Red Sox, and Diamondbacks (did I miss anyone? Cardinals?)
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JFK
I guess Josh Fogg counts as a big name?
You’re double dipping on the idea that they need to spend big time on marquee players, and that the pitchers all had career years.
Cook pitched better in ’08 than ’07, Ubaldo pitched well but certainly not a career best after being inserted into the rotation, Francis pitched marginally better than ’06, and the rest of the staff was patchwork.
Sometimes players want to play for each other....and win at the same time.
I believe this group is trying to play for each and maybe Todd. That can go along way. Looking at the Padres, they seem to have the play for each other and screw what anyone else thinks.
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I think you're projecting your own feelings about life on to major league baseball teams
Also, in my experience around athletes (college athletes, but still), they may be nice people and like their teammates, but they are out there because of what they can do not for someone else.
Well, then why did I hear the Rockies say last year that they play for each other?
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I disagree...Not every season do players say this..
at times it really is true.
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It's a convenient way of explaining
the unexplainable. Granted, I’m sure they were happy when Hurdle was gone, but that isn’t what sustained them into September.
yeah, every season they do
you can read these fluff pieces from some beat writer on any of the 30 teams at any time.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
i missed you
while you were gone. I feel complete now.
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Really?
so we can go all off topic-y until RMN gives us our own room to play in?
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
makes me feel
smarter.
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I'm trying to recall if I've ever heard
the Mets, the Cubs, the ChiSox…ever utter this sentiment……
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go read their local beat stories especially around spring training time
id wager you’ll find those type of lines for every team
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm talking about in the midst of the season.
As things begin to implode…….or go off the rails…
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how often do you read the beat reports
from the Mets, the Cubs, the ChiSox?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I read quite a bit .......because I find it interesting......
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I'm gonna go ahead and say you don't read enough to catch every filler piece about team cohesion.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
You read these but not the Pebble Reports?
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
stats stats...zzzzzzz
Ozzie Guillen being a tool…..awake
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well, they DID trade for one "marquee" player
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Groan
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
no he was a FA
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
NOBODY RUIN THIS OR YOU'RE BANNED FOR THE DAY
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
/considers runing it.
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/thought he already did
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
/serious threat or not?
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
aw come on don't give up
we traded for one “marquee” player…
say it out loud…
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I get your joke....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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You are so clever
you had us all stumped.
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Also, I thought we were only talking about '07.
Wagthedog, being a Duke fan, can never understand the mechanics of building an honest and sustainable franchise in a mid-market.
I guess it was included
but I was responding specifically to the idea that Holliday and the pitchers had career years in ‘07. Holliday is true, although it’s not like he went the way of Atkins, but the idea that the pitching staff, a) as a whole had a career year that didn’t involve patchwork, guessing and luck, and b) all individually had career years, is ridiculous.
Duke goes hand in hand with a sense of entitlement
You’d think he’d be a Yankees fan.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Please don't associate the Yankees with Duke
One organization is a model beast that people should be jealous of, the other is a whore with a fan base of people who never went to college, let alone been to Durham. Which is a sh*t hole of a city.
I'm not associating the organizations....
….only their fans.
And Durham is a dunghole.
And thinking that being a Duke fan whose never been to North Carolina is kinda like all those BoSawx “fans” I saw at the series….
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you're right
most Yankee fans have probably never been to Durham.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Who are all those big names the Rays brought in?
Or, the 2002 Angels or 2003 Marlins? The biggest FA among those WS teams: an aged Ivan Rodriguez
He probably thinks we should just flip Cook to St Louis for some guy named Albert
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Is there more than one guy named Albert who plays for St. Louis....?
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Well, there's Albert Hammond, but he actually plays for the NY Strokes
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Naw, the Jr. the Last Night guy
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Marv?
Does St. Louis have his rights?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
You can’t count on miraculous 21-22 game finishes or win streaks every year to get into the playoffs. Without Helton or a Holliday type hitter we are an average team because we don’t have a GOOD #2 or #3 pitcher.
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
We didn't have a 21 of 22 streak in 2009....
….and we didn’t have a #2 pitcher then, either.
And why isn’t JDLR a decent #2 or a really good #3 in your book? 96mph lefty? Really? That doesn’t fit your definition of a strong #2?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay so 21 of 28 in 2009=miraculous win streak
And No your right we didnt have a good #2 Pitcher or #3 pitcher. Look what happened got our ass kicked by the phillies
Career ERA of 5.18? 96 mph Lefty? Really? No it doesn’t fit my definition of strong number 2.
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Really?
I wouldn’t say we got “our ass kicked” by the Phillies…that was a very tough series and could have swung either way.
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but obviously
we were lucky to be even be there – and deserved to get our “asses kicked”
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Oh, I don't care about new people coming to the Row...that's a good thing
But it’s hard to have a conversation with stupidity. It just is.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
But being completely
homers and biased and brainwashing oursleves into that we are a great ball club every year is stupid too
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Man, the sheer number of comments about how Clint Barmes is a top-5 2B on this website almost crashed the servers
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Barmes is the best
2nd baseman in the history of baseball.
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yeah
he would never boot a ball…ever…
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Somebody has fogotten Eric Young, Sr.
You must not have been watching the Rockies since 1993 like I have.
Barmes is, at best, tied for third best 2B ever with Mike Lansing.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
O I forgot
kaz – we should have him platoon with Barmes…
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"being completely homers"
Um, care to be presenting any evidence to that effect?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
duh didn't you see the gamethread
speak to truth brotha
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
eh, I dunno
saying that the World Series is all that matters isn’t necessarily stupid
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
But it doesn't necessarily mean
that ONLY winning a pennant is an utter failure.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I wonder how the players feel about it
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Like a high school girl in your special clique huh?
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
no that's the OT thread crew
ASSSEMMMBLEEEEE
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Form of
Right Arm
The lack of Seth Smith's beard is irrational
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #Ï€
Form Of
Uterus
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Wow
Really?
I mean Wow.
My wife’s Uterus is huge right now. I can almost feel the baby.
The lack of Seth Smith's beard is irrational
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how do you un-member yourself of a blog?
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
what, did you want to come be in the OT crew too?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
no just lookign for some help
but okay
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
well it sounds like you want to un-member yourself from here
so I figured I’d toss you the invite
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't go away Andrew!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
once you comment
I don’t think you can
/unless you get banned
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
I hope you don't de-list from Purple Row
because of this thread. While at times the blog can seem cliquey in the comments, the vast majority of these people don’t know each other personally and don’t agree with each other lock-stop about what the problems and solutions are for the Rockies. I don’t live in Colorado, have met very few Rockies fans in my life, and have never met anyone on this blog. But, when I write something, I expect to have to defend it from both a little personal snark and serious criticism.
Also, disagreeing that spending money is the solution to the Rockies problems is not an endorsement of the FO or the ownership. It’s just the way that some people view the realities of the CO market and the value of signing highly regarded FAs. That doesn’t mean that spending a lot of money on a star player wouldn’t be nice, it just means that it doesn’t mesh with the way some people would compose the team.
Further, it’s to be expected that people would chafe at the Rockies being called an average team. That’s neither an endorsement of all of the current players or the FO/owners. You wouldn’t be alone in that assessment, but there are people here who would take umbrage with it (myself included) because they see the problem has one of performance over talent. The Rockies have the talent to be an elite team, but circumstances haven’t allowed that this season. You, and others, may disagree and that is fine. But it’s to be expected that others will disagree with that point of view. Despite how it may appear in certain threads, there’s very little consensus on PR.
If the snarkiness in response to your comments got a little severe, all I can say is that it is the current tenor of the internet and you can choose to skip it and move to the substantive parts of the conversation. Considering these people could all just be robots set to have an automatic conversation with you, it’s not worth worrying about a little jab in addition to a rebuttal of your comments.
by deacs on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy
Go to your profile. It shows your blog memberships at the bottom. You can “leave blog” from there.
actually, you can only leave those that have not been commented in....
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It's like the Mafia.....I'm pretty sure....
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who?
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Denver
Mafia family. They were around from the 1930s to 1960s. Google it you will find pleny of info.
That looks like a Shire name, to me
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be tough
to destroy any and all content that user created. Or in the “user agreement” section none of us read – it might say any content you create is owned by SBNation…whow knows.
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well you don't have to destroy user content
just don’t allow any more to be created
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
if i were to "leave"
I would want m y content removed.
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same here
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Sheeeeeeeeeit...
You don’t have to leave and I still want most or your content removed.
KIDDING.
I’m EFFING with you cat.
;)
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I don't care
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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/puts head down on desk
/shoulders rumbling
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
It's nice that you cry at the thought of my departure..
It’s touching…really….thanks for that…
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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You can check out any time you like
but you can never leave
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Better analogy
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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WITH YOUR STUPID OT COMMENTS COMBINED
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
nice, career ERA
well I’m out of arguments, the daisy cutter just got dropped
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
we didnt get our ass kicked by phily
we lost 2 games in the 9th inning due to blown saves
how is that an ass kicking? street converts those two innings and we win the series
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
you can't argue with someone who has an agenda
and that agenda is ripped straight from Denver Post comment threads
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey...don't talk about Street.
the dude almost had his nuts blown off. by a line drive. while standing in R…F…
meanwhile, somewhere, Ross Ohlendorf is saying * cough * pussy * cough *
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
"got our ass kicked by the Phillies"
Did you even watch any of those games?
Lessee, lost one game because of a blown save in the 9th.
Tulo at the plate with the tying or winning runs on base in Games 3 AND 4.
Losing a series 3-1 =/= “got our ass kicked”.
As for pinning everything on JDLR’s career ERA, I’m glad you’re so willing to overlook his 2008-2010 stats, after he’s finally learned how to pitch.
You probably forget Halladay got demoted back to the minors and almost retired, a couple years into his career…..actually, you probably never even knew it in the first place, because it doesn’t fit into your narrative.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
dude, Career ERA
it’s like the Scott Stapp of baseball arguments
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
DOOOOBLE PLAYS
YASSEAH
come on MAAAAAA-LUNS MAKUS PROOOOD
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Stapp making sense
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
JDLR Learned to pitch? Still learning IMO
Oh okay…almost winning now counts
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
"still learning IMO"
Strasburg is “still learning” how to pitch.
And you’re gonna tell me with a straight face that’s he’s not already at least a strong #2 or #3?
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
well he's on the DL
so I’d say a “#0”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
SSS!!!!
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont know man- I like JDLR
but One breakout year with 16 wins but yet an ERA in the mid 4’s and a high WHIP does not immediately constitute you as a strong #2
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Dude he just dropped the Stapp AND the Keanu Reeves
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I have a feeling....
K/9, K/BB, H/9…..all would be lost here
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
WHIP is valuable if used in the proper context
though not this one, because JDLR is probably never going to have a BB/9 of 2 or 3.
What's wrong with Keanu Reeves :(
He was good in Minnesota something or other and
Something’s Gotta Give
I also liked him in The Replacements
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He has REALLY good stuff
He’s a pitcher that when he’s healthy, the team behind him has an excellent chance of winning, so it’s not like those wins were exactly a fluke. I’d say he’s like the definition of strong #2. When he’s fully healthy.
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Cool story, bro.
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by Franchise26 on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow guys
wow
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did you go to the game?
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eeeeyup
It was excellent.
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What a great way to spend your
birthday eh?
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I've had such a good couple of days it's almost not fair
and today and tomorrow are going to be just as awesome. I love massive birthday-thons
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nice!
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pfff she's talking about dinner with me
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
/shakes head
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she did use the plural of guy...
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JFK
I was talking about the malignity of the rockpile this morning
But yesterday owned. Seriously. Those girls behind you were cute, right?
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did you make your m ove?
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well I took a picture of them if that's what you mean
but I’d have felt kind of weird if I’d just started BSing with them and ignored coolo
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
and by kind of weird I mean like a complete douchenozzle
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
that would have been
bad….you are so nice.
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no
I would have let him bail on me. So I give him mad props for being a gentleman.
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Soooo...hypothetically, who would you sell the farm for?
I was thinking about doing a fanpost on this, but that seems like so much effort (and I’m kinda lazy), so this seems relatively on topic.
There was talk during the Pirates series about what it would take to get McCutchen. So I got to thinking, who would we say “Pick 3 guys in our organization not named Ubaldo, Tulo or Cargo for player x.”
McCutchen?
Longoria?
Josh Johnson?
Pujols? (may require 4-5 players of their choice)
Again, suspend disbelief here ,and assume any player is available.
Longoria or Johnson
because they’re cost controlled for a long time, and young. McCutchen would be nice, but he’s too far along to sign to a comparably cheap deal at this point.
I was thinking Longoria...
think he would solve the rh power hitting bat issue, plus play a good 3b….
That, and I don’t think we have anyone in our organization (with the exception of the 3 mentioned above) that have as high of a certain impact as Longoria.
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
There is no one with a higher trade value than Longoria
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps Tulo
Since he’s at a more premium position.
Maybe Greg Reynolds.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Longoria's health, contract, and bat are all more valuable than Tulo
His career wOBA is 20 points higher than Troy, but Tulo does have that sweet Camaro and all the goodies and freak nasty that go with it.
Also 3B isn't exactly a slouch of a position.
Having a premium bat/glove at either of the left side of the infield spots is pretty valuable, though yes, SS is slightly more.
I don't go for Pujols, because not only would it be 4 of our top 10 PURPs....
….but after next season it’ll cost us $25m a year on top of that just to keep him and our newly-barren system.
I’d go for Longoria, or Mauer and make him an OFer.
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I was thinking Muaer as well, and just forgot to mention him….
Overall, I still think I would prefer Longoria at the top of the list. Maybe we could include Greg Reynolds in that deal?
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
are we pretending we have infinity money now?
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
No, I don't think we're doing that
Just that there’s no player untouchable on the other teams
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
well, we are suspending quite a bit of reality....
what’s one step furhter?
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I totally suspended reality for this thread when I made the initial response
so we’re living solely in fantasy realm here.
Sure...
so any trade involving Seth Smith would involve the Unicorn.
As such, the unicorn would count as a player…
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I was just thinking
what’s the point of trading out players for prospects during the season (ie: Cook) when you want your team to still believe they are in the race? Maybe unloading Hawpe wouldn’t be a bad thing per se….but it seems that, at the very least for player morale, you better trade for someone who can at least contribute this year.
Rearranging would be the same as selling in this case (in my wholly uninformed opinion) and the Rox stereotype for overvaluing prospects would be further perpetuated
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I just don't see us making a move to get rid of anyone during the season..
It seems rather pointless when we are thisclose to turning it around. If we trade a prospect not named Chacin….I can see us buying, but not selling
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That's what I've been thinking too
“rearranging” is essentially selling. Sends a bad signal to players. I think the Rox just stand pat.
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agreed....
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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And they very well may.
As I’ve said many times, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the Rockies stand still.
I do not expect any significant trades, but there are always surprises at the deadline.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think we're really doing either, except maybe in the case of taking advantage of a chance to free up the 2011 payroll a bit.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
...why not wait until the season is over.....
or am I misunderstanding?
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If there is an opportunity to do it now without making a significant alteration to the team (which most of the players being discussed are not)...
… I would not be opposed to it. For example, if some team wants to take Cook (and it doesn’t necessarily have to be by Saturday because he’d likely clear waivers), I don’t see a problem with doing it now. A rotation without Cook and with Chacin does not make a significant negative difference.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
which is why
it doesn’t make a negative difference
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
This
Making trades that potentially actually help the team the rest of this season and going forward, are never frowned upon. It’s clear we’re not participating in a salary dump.
The only real issue is, there may not really be any such trades out there to be had right now. Especially if the names being tossed around were Cantu and Theriot. How would either of those actually helped us at any time now or in the future?
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Well, my point is that we're not targeting players like that anymore.
What we’re doing doesn’t really lineup with any of the cliche positions. It’s not buying, it’s not selling, it’s not a fire sale, it’s not a salary dump, which is why I think rearranging, or perhaps “advance posturing” is a good way to look at it. The season isn’t lost, but it’s not worth making a big splash anymore (if we even would have to begin with). It’s keeping the team balanced in a way it already basically is (which CAN win baseball games), while taking advantage of opportunities to trip the payroll (not dump it), finesse some youngsters, etc.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
We agree completely
And at this point, I don’t actually see a single trade the next couple of days, since I don’t know who (of the clubs interested in someone like Beimel) has anything we’d want in that scenario.
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I don't think anyone is arguing for a big splash trade
if anything I see a desire to stand pat. The point I’m making is regardless of value, it’s perceived as a salary dump for prospects to make trades like that right now.
Plus….what’s the difference between trading Cook now or in the off season? I’d think you’d get the same haul regardless
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We might not get the opportunity in the off season as opposed to now.
Value changes over time. If someone actually wants to take him now with little salary commitment from us, even with little return, I pull the trigger immediately.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, Dunn will be available as a FA in the off-season
along with a million other aging outfielders. Not all of them have the bat to play first, but it’s better to try to trade when teams can’t just sign players. Plus, the market could be depressed again this winter.
Also, further to a point made earlier that Chacin could replace Cook without a drop, Smith could enter the OF full-time without a big drop from Hawpe.
Good point, actually.
Usually happens, See the White Flag trade by the White Sox (’97, I think.) as an example.
Go Bruce!
With the exception of Hawpe, we're not trading anybody who has the poitential to make a significant impact on the season's final third
The reason this isn’t raising the white flag is because a team with Reynolds instead of Beimel, Nelson instead of Barmes, Chacin instead of Cook, etc, is probably not going to be that much less likely to come back from this deficit.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
seems like it's more herera instead of barmes rather than nelson...
by attackparrot on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
It was just an example.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Right, but do the players believe that themselves?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
If the ploayers become dejected that the Rockies make some smart business moves, then we have much bigger problems.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
You disregard team morale?
That is quite a mistake.
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I don't disregard it, but I expect a better attitude from them about it.
Teams do things like this all the time, and it doesn’t usually cause a problem. I love that the Rockies have a reputation of being tight knit, but if trading a guy like Cook is going to make the entire team too sad to play baseball, then I think you must admit that’s a flaw in character.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not going to make them too sad to play...
that’s hyperbole….
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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If the players think the FO is folding...
they will too. It’s part of the emotional dynamic of a team. It just is.
Go Bruce!
And if that's the way "it just is", it's a problem
I don[‘t necessarily think that’s accurate, either. Most of the playhers on the team are well aware baseball is a business, and there are no guarantees here
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Not ideal I know, but they are human
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Morale is a big thing....particularly with a team as mentally skitzo as the Rox
I just think random trades for prospects during the season isn’t exactly the signal you want to send. Regardless of statistical impact, emotional and mental impact is far greater.
Trading for prospects during season = giving up on year.
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I'd rather they stay pat
Hawpe is the only one who potentially has the best value right now (risk of devaluing even more during the off season) so I can see him going. But I just don’t think the Rox risk club morale by doing much of anything else.
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I suppose I can see that, though that would frustrate me
Downgrading from Beimel, Cook, Hawpe and say, Mora, wouldn’t be too big of a drop (if at all) to Reynolds, Chacin, more Smith and Nelson
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Before I leave, I must apologize about the bad movie reference this week.
Sometimes awful movies are going to have to be used, though.
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Whoa...today's a taco day right?
I better eat lunch now so I’ll be hungry to stuff my face with tacos at 4.
One of the finer parts of being an American. And Tres Billos
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Wow LA vs. SF this weekend.....
Let’s hope they beat each other up and we can beat the Scrubs!
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Hollidayrain Music
RHP Dan Hudson and LHP David Holmberg for Edwin Jackson Done deal
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions
well....at least AZ is getting the prospects back SOMEHOW.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
oh I thought you were gonna go with
I’VE GOT SOME….OCEANFRONT PROPERTY IN AIR-IH-ZOHN-UHHHH
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson you pitched a no-hitter!
Now you get to go to the ChiSox…..is this a reward?
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It is if you wanna have even a shot at playoff baseball this year
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
If you'll buy Joe Saunders,
we’ll throw some other crap in free.
by deacs on Jul 30, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
D-Backs now have 11 of the top 95 picks in last year's draft
If half turn out to be MLB starters, they’ll have a core for sure
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm scared
3-4 years from now
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
2005 just called
they would like their AZ projections back….
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't view the sox as needing starters, this is amove to get another player.
Or they are giving up a pitcher in there rotation for someone
They're also reportedly looking at Brett Myers
which would suggest they want new starters, but are going to flip Jackson.
Rumor is trying to flip Jackson for Dunn
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Right...which means Hawpe may not be in play with the ChiSox anymore
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Right, except......
I haven’t seen anything indicating that the Nationals actually have any interest in Edwin Jackson at all. That’s the part of the story that’s seeming completely made up.
Especially given Washington’s interest in keeping Dunn.
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
craigcalcaterra
How awesome is it if this is holding everything up? RT @washingnats Adam Dunn is at the movies and has not been told anything
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I would love everying about it
MAN I love Adam Dunn
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Why? Seriously?
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I like watching baseballs crushed out of existence
and he just seems to have fun with it, despite JP Ricciardi
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
ahhh...okay...well there you go...
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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If we were to continue to suspend reality
Adam Dunn and Uggla on the right side of the infield. Drooooooollling
bombs, strikeouts, and Tulowitzki having to revert to 2007 style of play
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
So basically what we have with Stewy and Barmey and Brad Eldred? minus Tulo?
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bombs and strikeouts......seem to be what you like in players..
So Stewy and Barmey already do that
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well I don't like the strikeouts
I like baseballs that have had the living bejeezus hit out of them
those involve strikeouts
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Greg Maddux is that you?
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its going to be a race to see who finishes with more HRs
Dunn or Stewie + Barmie
by purplesocks on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
now there's a player who has bounced around a lot
Yes, I actually do like cricket. I'm Indian.
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"I mean come on, you can’t be from Nebraska and go to school at CU, I think they take away your overalls or one of your last remaining teeth for that."
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Jul 30, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
BP ranked these two as the White Sox
1st, and 10th best prospects. BA ranks them 3rd and 8th. That seems like a lot for an expensive, but wild Jackson.
I view the current situation with the Rockies as needing to take that next step
focusing more on speed and hitting and less homers. Hawpe and barmes don’t fit that mold.
We have most of what we need in the organization. So aquiring an everyday 1B should not be the problem. Hawpe,Atkins,Barmes got us back from the ashes, but the future is Nelson,Tulo, DEx,Cargo,Smith etc. Time to take the next step.
Barmes is one of our best baserunners
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
true enough
finding a good combo of speed + obp is very difficult
unless
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Except getting on base is still a problem there
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.351 OBP isn't bad, per se
normalize that BABIP a bit and it’s downright good
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Who is that guy second from the left?
I know the others are Nelson, McKenry, Young and Lindsay
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Definitely not Murton
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm stupid
Judging from the untucked shirt, it’s the fan who was getting his picture taken with the team
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Or maybe not
The uni looks pretty accurate
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
looks like he is #11
Clearly that man is Brad Hawpe!
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by Kris Hansen on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Shane Lindsay
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JFK
is the guy on the Right
you asked for second on left
/note to self: learn to read
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JFK
learning is the strong point I have
reading, not so much
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what hat are they wearing?
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I agree with your love for EY2.
33 days until my first Rockies game!
by CentralCaliRox on Jul 30, 2010 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a hard time separating the wheat from the chaff between the old Gen R and the new Gen R
Atkins and Hawpe did a lot, and Hawpe probably still could do a lot at first base, but Atkins fizzled out. Chances are there’s a Jennings (who, I know, was also fine for a time), Atkins or a Cory Sullivan amongst Nelson, Dex, etc.
Now that the starting pitcher market has pretty much been traded
I can see Cook getting some interest, if the Rockies pick up a chunk of the tab. There are still teams looking for pitching, but nothing is left out there.
Cookie's name coming up in connection with SL more all the time
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
And I like the Cards
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
My 2nd favorite NL club
but miles and miles and miles behind my first
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
But only if we actually get a usable part for this
Cook isn’t washed up, just inconsistent, and if we’re picking up some of the tab, I want actual talent in return
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by Mondogarage on Jul 30, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
We get the freed up cash
That should be enough. All I really want in an A ball kid, with a bit of upside. Nothing more.
Exactly, You should be able to sign him with that 5mil plus the money saved from Todd
Which still gives us 9.5mil from Hawpe and possibly Francis’ contract to get and everyday 1B
Lilly?
Did I miss him?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Westbrook may go via waivers
Jom Morosi suggests that if the ChiSox flip EJax to Washington, they’ll pursue another starter. Lilly/Cook?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Could be
Although Cook is as likely to go via Waivers next month as Westbrook is. They are pretty similar in desire.
I just can't imagine Cook clearing waivers.....
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He almost certainly would
No club would be willing to risk aquiring him without some of his salary being covered by the Rockies. Maybe 4 years ago, in a better economy, a team would take a chance, but not now.
He almost certainly will.
No team would block a trade for a 5th starter worth $10.25 mil next year
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Why Strasburg will go the way of Prior
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM MDT reply actions
huh....didn't they say that Ubaldo's arm action years ago...
would result in him being the next Prior…?
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I don't believe I ever read that
Ubaldo has a funky motion timing mechanism, but not the “upside down” arm action.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it was the upside down arm action...
but the funky motion they talked about it…..I’m just glad they were wrong
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best part of the article
Now that Chris Coghlan blew out a knee with one of those ubiquitous postgame pies, can we just get rid of the whole, tired pie thing? Spare us. It’s become the Macarena of baseball.
And besides, commissioner Bud Selig ought to put an end to this form of cheating. Those are not even pies. They are plates of shaving cream or whipped cream, hackneyed insults to Marie Callender. Some plates, good heavens, are made of paper.
Instead of worrying about blood tests for human growth hormone, the commissioner ought to be focused on ridding the game of these fake pies. If players are going to throw pies, they shouldn’t have to cheat. Think about the example being set for children and culinary school students. Only the real things should be allowed: real gobs of cherries, apples or blueberries waiting to splatter out from between layers of home-baked crust.
So step up to the pie tin, Mr. Commissioner. You don’t need to bargain with the union on this one. It’s time to ban the faux pas that is the faux pie.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/07/30/strasburg.trades/index.html?eref=twitter_feed#ixzz0vBn7PMvF
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
This is what really pisses me off about the pie thing...its not even whipped cream!!!!! its shaving cream...ewwwwwwww
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REnck:
Right now it’s still unlikely either cook or hawpe move. But if white sox miss on done (sic). It could get interesting w hawpe
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions
He also says that before the losing streak, we were in on Berkman and Harden
Huh
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
He said "Haden"
Which could mean either Haren or Harden, but Haren would make more sense I guess.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes he did.
/fail
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Renck tweets
Talked to a source today who said it’s doubtful rox trade hawpe. Could happen. But right now doubtful. More focus on moving cook
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Another Renck tweet
Again hawpe trade doubtful right now. There is concern about his defense in outfield. But he can carry team when hot offensively
In a related note
there is “concern” about BP’s offshore drilling safety precautions.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting...
White Sox are using E. Jax in the trade offer for Dunn. And then they will go after Brett Myers.
Intriguing.
that division is still open
they want to keep and build onto their
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JFK
somehow the word lead got cut off (or I forgot to put it in, which is more likely)
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JFK
yes
but my typos bug me even if they are intelligible.
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JFK
wait when did ChiSox obtain E Jax
what happened while I slept
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Well... Rangers just made another trade...
for Cristian Guzman. Man… the team with no money strikes again!
Looks like they won't have to worry about having Cantu at second...
Davis is a lock for optioning down now.
This made me laugh...
Jim_Duquette
Cantu, Guzman, Molina, Lee for #Texas and Daniels. Need a 3B and SS to round out the all-Trade Deadline Infield team.
I really hope he believes that the only attributes they all share are that they've been traded.
But you never know with Duquettes.
Well, to start with
the White Sox obtained E-Jax (for Dan Hudson and another pitching prospect).
Also, Mets sent Mike Jacobs to Toronto (I know, right?!?!?!)
And that’s about it
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Mike Jacobs? TO TORONTO?
what the crap. And how does E Jax still have trade value. He’s gonna be printing his own money this offseason in arbitration
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No
I wouldn’t. There is no place in the rotation for Jackson. However, I would have taken Hawpe for Hudson and the other prospect
Well, yeah.
I think the Rockies would’ve done Hudson for Hawpe straight up. or, they should if the opportunity was presented.
absolutely
we’re getting nothing out of him after this season, unless his bat continues to come back to life and he’s willing to take $6M to play 1B
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Yes, true.
At this point, I’m iffy on Hawpe. I am no where close to ready to call it quits on the season. And I see Hawpe as a player on the verge of hot/healthy. I think it is worth it to keep him around and see if he catches fire. Worth thing that happens if he fails and we let him walk next season. Best thing that happens is he catches fire and he helps us get back into the swing of things.
Lance Berkman huh...interesting
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Wow...do they NOT want to win?
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they are still several years away
if they get a decent piece now, it helps them
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Why the rip on Maholm?
He’s actually had pretty good numbers in his career, gets a lot of GBs, and is either an upgrade on Correia or an effective replacement for innings-limited young pitchers.
It’d be a good get for SD, and will only help them keep or add distance.
I've never seen him do well. And especially against the Rockies..
I think it’s not an upgrade from Correia….
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Right. Especially against the Rockies
I’d love to see this deal just so we get to face him a couple more times this year. And in a Pads uniform – all the better.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree. I was just thinking what were the Pads thinking here...
But hey GO FOR IT….
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It's worth noting that in his one start NOT in Denver
he dominated on 5/15/09. 7 IP, 5 hits, no runs. So, uh, chickens, eggs, hatch. You know.
But seriously, besides 5 bad starts in Coors, are you basing your reaction off anything else? Because everything points to him being a lot better than Correia.
What do you look at in making that evaluation?
His 2010 ERA and FIP are each half a run lower than Correia, he has a better career GB rate, and his career and 2010 walk rate are better. Those are all nice things in a park that suppresses runs to begin with.
He’s had five bad starts v. the Rockies in his career, but he’s also had three very good ones. So, it’s not as if the balance is completely in the Rockies favor.
Pirates need to hold out on this one
don’t accept anything less than 2 ballpark dogs and 3 pairs of mustard yellow socks.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude they don't have ballpark franks at Petco
They have fish tacos and burritos….
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Fine, then 2 Ball Park Franks
the Pads can run over to Ralph’s and pick up a pack…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL...I'm just kidding...
They sell very unusual food at Petco…..
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yeah cause Rocky Mountain Oysters are your typical ball park food.
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I'm not saying Coors doesn't sell bizarre food
Just sayin’ Petco does as well………
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yes.
yes they are
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They have Rocky Mountain Oysters at Coors?
I’m so it.
that’s money drunk food.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
You're so Rocky Mountain Oysters....o_O
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fattie
will try anything once eh?
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I did...and I loved them.
granted, when you’re 3 bills, you have a predisposition to liking foods that are battered, fried, and dipped in ranch.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
I really don't believe you are 3 bills
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I've seen pics.
He is huge.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
You're in Rocky Mountain Oysters....isn't that rather uncomfortable and slippery?
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Yanks were looking at our roster...
The Yanks have talked to Colorado, which has potentially helpful righty hitters who fit either in the corner infield or outfield — Clint Barmes, Melvin Mora and Ryan Spilborghs — but the Rockies did not feel compelled to move salary and did not think they would get enough from the Yankees to make a deal worthwhile.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/landing_of_os_HLEr37apKvXd2gmfSTMOJI#ixzz0vCGSljGF
in what universe is August Barmes a potentially helpful righty hitter
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99.99% of people don't pay that close attention to month splits
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
When was the last time we made a deal with the Yankees?
Chacon?
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Hirsh? for a bag of magic means
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*beans
magic beans
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We traded them Jason Hirsh for cash last season
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Earlier this year
Robby Hammock
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a hard time counting that
But I suppose you’re right
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
It's an organizational trade
On what grounds could it possibly NOT be counted? “It wasn’t very important” shouldn’t be a factor.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
because no one knows who the eff Robby Hammock is besides Daddy Hammock
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An even worse reason.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
completely fine reason for the only marginally obsessed baseball fan
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Not very many people can do calculus, so it's not important.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
couldn't agree more
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Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
DId the Hammock trade actually happen after Libra started?
If so, I had forgotten. I thought it happened right before, but it may have made it onto the transactions list.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
You're right...
but in the context of the trade deadline, I take those kinds of questions to be less about trivia answers and more about deals of substance.
The question was
When was the last time we made a deal with the Yankees?
There is absolutely no right answer to this question other than Robby Hammock. That’s a different question entirely.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Like I said, I get what you were answering
but the context of the question centered around the trade deadline:
Yanks were looking at our roster…
The Yanks have talked to Colorado, which has potentially helpful righty hitters who fit either in the corner infield or outfield — Clint Barmes, Melvin Mora and Ryan Spilborghs — but the Rockies did not feel compelled to move salary and did not think they would get enough from the Yankees to make a deal worthwhile.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/landing_of_os_HLEr37apKvXd2gmfSTMOJI#ixzz0vCGSljGF
by nkrause on Jul 30, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
So, the question to me wasn’t when the last deal was made in absolute terms, but when the last time the deal was made that involved a consequential deadline move.
But I respect that you were answering the question put in front of you.
He just thinks we're fighting for some reason.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm more making an inane point
about how I would’ve answered the question. Then again, I don’t know wtf is a Robby Hammock. Sort of like a Hobby Horse?
No, it's fair.
I was taking the question, well, literally.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose because there wasn't a player involved in the trade that has ever been or will ever be a Rockie
It counts, but I certainly wouldn’t tell someone they were wrong for glossing over that and saying the most recent one was Hirsh
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose if you made the argument that "Rockies" means 40 man roster instead of entire organization
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
Or at least worthy of getting into a spring training game. Like Mike Paulk
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Hammock did get into a spring training game.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Hammock doesn't count
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Poor Hammock
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
You think that's bad...
…they called him “Banana” in school….
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I heard that Guzman got two good pitching prospects
Why couldn’t that have been Barmes. Barmes definitely has more value.
But batting average
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
butbutbut All-Star voting 12 months ago
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Dex just posted on Twitter that he has strep throat..
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 30, 2010 2:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
That's at least 15 years out
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I've been having some throat problems myself.
Not strep though.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I do not get sinus problems
Diseases study him to learn about immunities
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did you just make that up
because if not I haven’t seen that one
by Andrew Martin on Jul 30, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
You have not seen that one because....
….it’s new and improved.
Or at least new.
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Keep his butt out of the clubhouse
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just when
I thought he was getting better…
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JFK
WTF?
TroyRenck
Teams like beimel but are offering 4a players. He’s not making any money so no sense in trading him. Rox are shopping Randy flores
O.o, what makes Flores making no money and and not commanding any return different?
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Agreed
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Why would the Royals take Beimel right now?
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Kiiiiilamonster
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
That makes them different players, but not really different trade chips.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
But if they're the same trade chip
keep the one that is the better player.
I have serious doubts that Flores is the same trade chip as Beimel, though.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
one of these two players signed a major league contract before training
and it wasn;t Beimel
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I do too.
It’s just funny that they cited reasons for not trading Beimel are cheapness and lack of return, which precisely describe Flores.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
4A.......are you kidding me? wow....
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Really
Left relievers having solid years and making near league minimum are usually worth something.
3.73 K/9, for a LOOGY?
Doesn’t turn me on, even with the nice ERA. BABIP is 58 points below career average.
If I was looking for serious lefty help, those numbers would make me want to pay a lot more for Scott Downs.
Get what you pay for, I suppose
A lefty reliever waiting to blow up. Also one with a career 5.64 ERA in 80 August innings (And 4.15 in September).
I agree the price for Downs is ridiculously high, but I’d rather give up something to get something than give up something to get a question mark.
That sounds like the opposite of a problem
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
what...He's worth more than a 4AAAA player.......
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not at all
relievers have little actual trade value at the deadline because they will only throw 20 innings at most for their new club. The marginal improvement isn’t worth a big name prospect.
Elite relievers are the sole exception
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Everything I've read this deadline
has been that teams in the market for relievers have been SHOCKED! by the prices out there. Matt Capps just cost the Twins the #2 prospect in their system. I’m not sure if I put Matt Capps in the “elite relievers” club.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Capps went to the Twins?
WTF DID I MISS
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Yesterday
HOW LONG DID YOU SLEEP???
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
away from teh internets from 4pm until this morning when I woke up at 1pm
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What kind of sports writer ARE you?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
you just answered your own question
:-/
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I was actually playing a board game
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I have been weirdly successful at Monopoly through my life.
Not through any particular skill of my own.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
well the board game ended at 11
and then I ruled at pool until later and why am I telling you internet peeps my night just to explain why I don’t care about Matt Capps
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Because we are awesome
and you crave our approval
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
badly in fact
wait, this isnt the OT thread…
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Doesn't mean you weren't on the blow
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
no, little girl, you're doing it wrong
here lemme show you where to put the straw
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Elite and borderline apparently
With Capps bringing back Ramos (who, I know, has struggled, but still has grade B value). Beimel, however, doesn’t share Capps’s favorable team control situation.
keep in mind what we traded for Betancourt last year
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What I've seen...I'm not a stat geek...
Every time I"ve seen him pitch against us or the handful of other teams he’s pretty much sucked…
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Yet, even the most cursory glance at scoreboard-type numbers (ERA, SO, BB)
demonstrates Maholm is definitively better. I can understand the glee at the idea of facing Maholm in Coors, but I’m more concerned with what he’ll do in Petco and other places where he’s been better than average, and can help the Pads gain in the standings (vs. Correia’s performance this year).
No, offense
but leaving open questions unanswered is sort of frustrating. You make a claim, repeatedly, that Maholm is a stupid pick up for the Pads, and when questioned, you don’t give a reason. It’s fine that you’re basing it on instinct or feeling, but it’d be nice to know that.
She said "What I've seen"
I think that means she’s basing it on personal observation. Which is what I’m basing my (somewhat tongue in cheek) hope that the deal goes through on too. We’ve killed Maholm several times = want to face Maholm more = would be good to have in division.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
this is exactly what I mean.
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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My answer didn't change. I said from what I've seen.....literally.
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I’ve never seen him do well. And especially against the Rockies..
I think it’s not an upgrade from Correia….
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by SDcat09 on Jul 30, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I see that you mentioned what you’ve seen, but I’m still wondering why he’s not an upgrade over Correia for every start he doesn’t make at Coors? And, what you’ve seen isn’t limited to first person anecdotal observation. It can also include numbers, stories, etc.
jDub is that you?
My PERSONAL observation of watching every game Maholm pitched against the Rockies and the occasional Dodger or Padre game that I happened to catch sight of with my eyes…tells me he’s not that much of an upgrade…
just my opinion…..
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I was just teasing , sorry...I feel like having an opinion
that can’t be backed up with stats here is like not allowed…
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I constantly defend people basing their comments
on opinions or feelings. By trying to argue against them with numbers (and sometimes my own anecdotal observations), I’m not diminishing the way you formulate your opinion.
I think you're reading more into this than was intended
What started as a couple people saying “I hope they trade for the guy we just lit up” was probably never intended to be a comprehensive analysis of the Padres starting rotation.
If you want a serious comparative analysis, I might agree with you that Maholm is an upgrade over Correia, but I don’t see the difference being great enough to be worth giving up much in a trade, or for us to assume that it’s likely to significantly improve the Padres as a team.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Jul 30, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Right...
and I presented my case that it’s a) an upgrade over Correia (which the numbers bear out), and b) it’s a good back up plan if they intend to shut down some of their young pitchers. Also, he’s under contract for only $5.75M next year, which he could likely out produce in Petco.
You understand that when I give and ask for follow up on a point that it’s not automatic in my mind that when someone says “I think… [x sucks]” that “think” is intended to imply personal observation. Especially on the internet, it’s not always beneficial to interpret it that way, when there might more information below the surface that could change the discussion.
Or maybe, given the nature of most of my posting
that saying I think or I’ve seen is pretty well what I mean…
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Henceforth I will take it as such
but I don’t read all of your comments, so I’m not that familiar with your reasoning style. Now that I know what it is, I won’t interpret “I think” any other way than “In my personal observation…”
I don't live in a feelings based world either...
but I can say wow, that guy has pretty much sucked in the 5-10 games I’ve seen him pitch against us and other teams. And yes please Padres sign him.
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I think that's a valid comment, Cat.
In fact, I agree with Yogi also. “You can observe a lot by just watching”.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
heh...I might add that to my sig line.....
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I'll stick to this thread
Ok, that’s all I wanted to know. You didn’t bother to respond to that part of your destruction of Maholm, so I didn’t know if there was something I was missing.
Now I know there isn’t, and I can just continue to look at the numbers and you can continue to look at what you want. It’s not personal; it’s just nice to know that is the explanation for what you are saying – it was lost on me that that was what you were basing the Maholm/Correia thing on.
PAUL MAHOLM IS TEH SUXORS
:D
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that's my girl
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Which part of I'm not a stat geek...and what I've seen
is not an answer
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ERA, strikeouts and walks are stat geeky?
Seriously, I’m not trying to be a dick, I just wanted to know (up above in the initial thread) if there was any more reason other than personal observation and the 5 bad starts at Coors.
no, I told you no....golly gee...man......personal observation
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You're sort of missing my point
It’s not cracking you for telling me it’s personal observation, it’s making claims like “it’s not an upgrade from Correia”, then being presented contrary evidence, and walking away from that part of your assertion.
Also, as I said up above, “what you’ve seen” isn’t automatically to be interpreted as a final answer based on personal feelings and preference.
Well, I meant it literally with my own two eyes......
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What if all of these comments that the Rox aren't interested in trading
Are just red herrings trying to up the price a little
O'Dowd has seemingly been quite frank about
waiting until he knows for sure, and getting a clear picture of the market for Cook, Hawpe, etc. I don’t see him playing games like that.
99% of these rumors and tweets you see
Are BS. anyway. Either complete speculation made up, mild hear-say, or executive screwing with eachother and the writers.
Jason Hammel has a twitter I guess
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:27 PM MDT reply actions
@Hammel46
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Hawt
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
this is fact he is hawt
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My favorite starting pitcher on the team.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't put him ahead of Ubaldo, even performance aside
But I do like Hammel. Even though he looks exactly like my ex’s ex.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo and DLR are tied for #2.
All three have personalities I adore.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
You can't.
I don’t have any. I’m a proudly girly male.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean the incredibly shy humble ones?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, Ubaldo is SUPER humble, honorably so.
What I like most about Hammel and DLR is that they are both VERY honest. Hammel kis incredibly insightful about his outsings, far moreso than Cook or Francis or Jimenez. DLR has it tougher there; he knows good English but he can’t speak as clearly as the others, yet he still finds ways to be insightful too. They don’t (just) bring the obvious, they have a story for every pitch, occasionally a great psychological reading of an opposing batter or their own selves on the mound.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
He is a bit goofy looking
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Who doesn't?
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Notorious Hat Liar
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I just love his whole demeanor....his attitude..
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He's hilarious.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously....
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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you're not going to say he's cute are you?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Okay...let me clarify
Hawpe is HAWT seriously
Seth is handsome
Hammel is also good looking
Street is hubba hubba
I (personally) have never uttered the words “But he’s soooooo cute” in regards to the Rockies…It was in my sig line as a dig on another poster who was maligning me….
(but yeah he is cute..pffft:P)
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Welllllll
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
lol...I was just giving you a hard time....
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He wants fans
to go to the games.
DO IT FOLKS
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JFK
I'm still optomistic at this point.
The Rockies usually play really good ball in August and September. The last two weeks was a team wide slump that will be drowned out with this homestand. The padres will not finish 20 games over .500. They are due for serious regression. I know we’ve been saying that over and over again, but I am willing to bet that they are headed towards a rough August even with the not so difficult schedule. We don’t need to trade for anyone because Hawpe is about to go on a tear offensively while filling in adequately on defense for Helton. Dexter Fowler is learning his role and will execute it really well in the next two months. Seth Smith will get locked in while playing almost everyday. Our pitching will come back around lead by Ubaldo’s resurgence last night. The division is still wide open even though we’re 9 games back.
by BringItHome on Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm reccin' dis
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Also we will start playing more as a team
now that our captain is back. More small ball and less messiah complex on the team.
What yer sellin', I'mma hopin'
Can’t yet say I’mma buyin’, but at this point, I’m rentin’
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well let me ask you this
were the 2007 Rockies and their famous fall run a better team than the 2010 Rockies? I think it’s a hands down no. We have better pitching and offense now then we did then. The difference is that we put it all together then. If we can do that again, we can win the division.
I think better pitching is clear, but better offense is debatable.
While our offense has a much higher ceiling here, it’s not performing as such right now.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jul 30, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions