Todd Helton Placed on Disabled List, Brad Eldred Purchased and Recalled
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 3:39 PM MDT
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According to Denver Post author Troy Renck, the Rockies have placed Todd Helton on the 15 Day Disabled list, presumably retroactive to three days ago when he last played. AAA Colorado Springs first baseman Brad Eldred has been recalled, and will start tonight. Eldred was not on the roster, meaning his contract was purchased. This move fills the 40 Man Roster, therefore a corresponding move will need to be made when Taylor Buchholz is activated from the 60 Day DL.
Eldred has hit more home runs than anyone else in the entire Rockies organization this year, with 22. In 74 games at the major league level with the Pittsburgh Pirates, Eldred has hit .199 with 14 home runs and 93 strikeouts.
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well i guess it was only a matter of time
before Todd went on the DL…get well ToddFather!….Hopefully Eldred can provide some power
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
Oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy
hoping for more than JoKo part duex here.
wonder if he'll start tonight
I will say this. Since it’s pretty much a certainty that Tracy won’t play Hawpe or Iannetta at first, I would much rather see Eldred there than Mora. Can I get an amen?
Had to see this coming. He hadn't started in about a week.
His back must really be bad to go on the DL. I just wonder if this is a season ending injury.
Is Eldred the answer or does this put us in the market for a first base solution at the trading deadline?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Dan Uggla AND Jorge Cantu!
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2010 4:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not a fan of Wiggington as a 2b
but I say he would make a great 1st base option
So Umm, Chris Nelson is free.....
IAWTC
However, I’d really like to see us follow that path of Hawpe and CDI taking groundballs at 1B.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Don't really need another 1B-type on the roster
If they trade for Wigginton, they should just go all out and trade for Uggla. It’d actually fill a position of need.
in a related move, Ryan Shealy looks to be called up by the Red Six
(apologies if this is mentioned in the rockpile; it would take a hour to open that thread on my phone)
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2010 4:12 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
not really sure I like this move
but I guess we don’t have too many other great options.
I’d like to see Hawpe at first, but he would have had to have been taking groundballs and working at 1b for at least a month by now.
I don’t really think Eldred will do anything that Giambi couldn’t, but maybe Giambi isn’t fit for everyday playing.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm expecting this:
When Bucky comes back, Eldred goes back down. By that time, CDI and/or Hawpe will be ready to take half the time with Giambi. My guess is that CDI and Hawpe will be kicking it into high gear to be ready to play 1B soon after the ASB.
To add...
I think Bucky getting activated will be based on the ready-ness of CDI or Hawpe to help out at 1B, rather than being dependent on the needs of the bullpen.
I hope you're right about CDI & Hawpe
I wish they both had gotten some time at 1B already.
"Because I am a Rockie." - Todd
by phishbate on Jul 7, 2010 4:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
can we have only two catchers if one of them is also playing 1st part time?
Would we need to bring up a third catcher?
I suppose we could
but if they both got injured in the same game (which would technically be more likely to happen since both would be getting more innings) we’d be screwed.
Also, this is something I think I would do if I were Giants and had Posey and Sandoval. But I could be missing something here.
Also, do we have an emergency catcher on the team?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I've always been of the opinion
That if both catchers get hurt in one game (or if one get subbed in late and gets hurt), you’re pretty much screwed for that game. However, the chances of it happening are so slim you’re better off using your backup catcher like a normal bench player every day with the understanding that there may be one day you have to pay for it.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
In a way I agree
but no manager could risk doing that because in the off chance it did happen he would get lit up by the media
So true
Difficult to show that the every day utilization of a catcher as a bench player (when it’s a productive bat like Olivo or CDI) will bring you at least one win to offset the automatic loss you’d be getting on a day they both got hurt or subbed in for.
But I’m sure it can be done.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Funny because you always hear stuff like
do what you need to do to win today’s game but that’s rarely carried out, understandably so as the baseball season is massive. On stuff like that though, I say put the best batter in for the situation and give him the chance to win the game. Who cares if you have a healthy catcher left on the bench after a loss.
catch 22
last night, it worked, but is anyone really singing Tracy’s praises for it?
They'll play what I tell them to play...for I am the mayor of Albuquerque!
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 7, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We were signing them at the time
both for leaving Ianetta in the game so he’d be available to catch with Mora still on the bench if the need arose, and for bringing in Corpas in a “no pressure” situation. Last night at the game I specifically called the Ianetta move “brilliant”.
Lots of praise was sung on PR last October and November too. That said, it’s part of being a fan to constantly second-guess your manager during the season :-)
In fact
It’d be interesting to look at the percentage of games where a catcher gets hurt and has to get subbed out for. I’m saying it’s close to 1 in 1,000
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Where's the evidence that the game is lost if both catchers get hurt?
Maybe in an extraordinary circumstance like two catchers going down and a rookie pitcher starting. But, I’m pretty sure that either pitchers can basically call their own pitch or a third player is capable of a) receiving the pitch, b) memorizing a few signals which they probably already know, and c) throw the ball back to the pitcher.
The other team might be able to run on him, but if the pitcher is pitching well then it shouldn’t be a big deal. If he’s not pitching well, then the team is probably screwed any way.
All of that aside, who is the Rockies’ emergency catcher?
Yes, most likely Mora
But, I don’t trust the FO to make these moves. They have a huge problem getting rid of these players. They just fall in love with… Whatever it is they see in them.
Well that's assuming
that Helton’s stay on the DL is more than the minimum. Honestly, Helton won’t miss too many more games – he’s already missed 3, and with the all-star break coming up – those are 3 DL days that don’t actually count against games.
So the Rockies may just bring Eldred up just to have around – I think Helton is only going to miss another 8 games…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
"I think Helton is only going to miss another 8 games…"
He’s beat up pretty bad, both legs and back. He could be out a while.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree. I'm not sure we'll see the Toddfather back on the active roster for a while.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
The Post
article mentions July 20 as a possible return date
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
That's when Helton will be eligible.
Not when he’ll necessarily return.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry
I meant that IF he stays the minimum, I think it’s another 8 games…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Eldred is a RH hitter
So it would be more a case of Eldred instead of Mora against LHers, such as tonight.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I'm happy to see a RH 1B with power amidst all of these LH hitters.
I’m not happy to see another 1B-only type on the roster.
Lineup
Dex
Herrera
Cargo
Mora (no no no no no)
Spilly
Iannetta
Eldred
Barmes
Cook
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 4:27 PM MDT reply actions
Hi I get to hit cleanup for a professional baseball team
Despite not homering since the great depression and sporting one of the worst slugging percentages on the team.
What are we not seeing here? Why does this keep happening?
Among everything I hate about this, the biggest is the double switch possibility that gets eliminated with him in the 4 spot.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
yep not good when your SLG % is lower than your OBP %
i just don’t understand it
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Jul 7, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
hey dont argue with what works
With mora and giambi batting cleanup, we have the chance to set the franchise record for consecutive games with 12 hits if we hit that mark tonight.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2010 5:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You know what
I’ve hit the point where as long as he’s not starting in the outfield or at 2nd I’m good.
Hammel-Chicken wearing USA gear says "booo"
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by UZ on Jul 7, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No Mora!
The worst cleanup hitter in the history of organized baseball. He may not be a good hitter but at least he’s a bad fielder.
SCroz
The worst cleanup hittier in the history of organized baseball?
Bengie Molina would like a word with you…
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agree
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Plus, look at the way the power is distributed through the lineup
Jim Tracy’s recipe for success is mixing in projected power up and down the lineup.
for whatever reason, when i look at this lineup,
i picture a ferris wheel, with one car that doesn’t pivot, it just dumps the people out at the top.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 7, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer to see us....
7 over .500 for the first time this season, with 12+ hits in our last five games, irrespective of the lineup we’ve run out there in any of those five games.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
You can't argue with the recent results
The team is clearly picking up for Tulo being hurt and Ubaldo’s recent struggles
Is Tracy that stupid?
I guess he think “clean-up” spot is overrated or something, geez
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
you can't just
throw the player with the most power in your lineup into the 4 spot. He has to work his way up there from 7
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
In mlb 2k10 I have done this
I’m a CF, came in at number 8 and noticed last night that after 45 games of the season I’m batting cleanup despite being a slower Dex who can’t take walks (.270/.310/.430). I reckon it’s because I have something like 41 RBIs (thus proving their uselessness in judging strong play).
another thing that is interesting....
this is the first time we had only 1 lefty in the line-up in a while, kind of werid
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
im not torn up
Is that four tacos in your pocket, or are you just happy to see the Rockies scoring 7 or more runs?
Alright, I'm willing to take my licks if Eldred proves to be a big pile of suck
But darnit, for as little power we’ve gotten out of first, I think he’s earned his shot
They'll play what I tell them to play...for I am the mayor of Albuquerque!
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 7, 2010 4:49 PM MDT reply actions
as I understand it
Eldred>Mora
Eldred>=Giambi
Eldred<Helton
But he’s 9 feet tall, so ought to be able to stretch pretty far.
They'll play what I tell them to play...for I am the mayor of Albuquerque!
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 7, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Mora can field fine at first.
He just can’t receive.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
he is just too short for that postion
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
I disagree there
Dunn is ginormous and he can scoop fairly well. His quickness isn’t all there but I think he’s better than Mora defensively at first (and maybe still in the OF)
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
power/getting on base/strikeouts vs singles/outs?
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
I know
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
The Nats will not be trading Dunn, and are trying to resign him
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thank you Adam
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
See? He *is* playing for us today!
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Good news is
Hawpe and Iannetta will be taking ground balls at 1st. I expect to see one of them there at some point in the next few days. Hopefully one can manage to play there well enough, since I have a feeling we won’t see Helton for a while.
What about 3rd base for Iannetta?
Is that something the team is willing to take an extended look at? Certainly beats our current right handed option (offensively).
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I feel much more confident with 3B than 1B
Stewie isn’t a complete hack and is much better defensively. I am much more worried about Giambi/Mora/Eldred playing anything close to full time.
Yes, but when Stewart doesn't play
Mora hits cleanup.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm hoping Iannetta or Hawpe look decent at first
Keeping one of them in the line up regularly (i’m hoping Iannetta) and platooning smith and spilly in left could solve some problems.
Exactly
This Helton thing is a major opportunity for this organization to see exactly what life without Todd is going to be like in the future. If they are serious about converting Hawpe or CDI, they need to see exactly what it looks like.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 7, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
you got a formal source for this?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ill allow it
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Todd should get his LASIK done now.
Just sayin’. It’s clear that the contacts didn’t help him and now he has time to recover from the surgery and get used to his new eyes before he’s re-activated… and he can get some good swings in at the Springs.
My first post here BTW — A long-time reader and fan since ’93. I live in Scottsdale — home to new spring training complex about 3 miles from my house. :-D Anybody want to see a picture of construction in progress?
Welcome.
If you’d like to take some pictures of the facility, you should make a Fanpost and post them for everyone to see.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll get some time-lapse shots up today from my freeway-based perch
And try to swing out there for some better close shots this weekend.
I would like to see
Also, I have a feeling Helton’s problems are more than just eyesight. He just doesn’t have the bat speed he once had.
With his back and legs acting up, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the primary problem at the moment.
The contacts seemed to help him for about 10 days. It’s as if his eyes were causing him problems, then when that was fixed, the back issues returned.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Eyesight vs. bat speed
I’m not going to disagree with the “at the moment” statement… but he has been staring at third strikes right down the gullet, too. Sometimes, he just looks astonished, like he had no idea the pitch was a strike.
im convinced that is because
He is hurt and is in a really bad place with the bat and has no confidence in getting a hit, thus hoping for more walks. Just Sunday, he had a strike called in him and he immediately told the ump “that was outside”
I highly doubt that his vision would go so poorly in one year such that his depth perception is off six inches
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2010 5:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
im convinced that is because
He is hurt and is in a really bad place with the bat and has no confidence in getting a hit, thus hoping for more walks. Just Sunday, he had a strike called in him and he immediately told the ump “that was outside”
I highly doubt that his vision would go so poorly in one year such that his depth perception is off six inches
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 7, 2010 5:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Welcome
I’d like to see some pictures, too. Also, do you know if there will be hotel facilities on the site ? We’d like to come down, but not sure about what will be available. Thanks
Hotel
The brand-spanking-new Talking Stick Resort & Casino is about a mile away on the other side of the freeway. Nice shiny tower hotel on the reservation. Nothing closer than that, though… though Scottsdale is obviously quite loaded with hotels & resorts, the nearest about two miles away.
Welcome aboard
I like the idea of Helton getting his eyes right now. This would almost be perfect because then he has time to get them adjusted and a minor league rehab to see if they still work.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
Actually, the contacts did help him
He got his BA from .240 to .260, and then started experiencing back discomfort again.
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Not disagreeing that they helped
… but getting his eyes fixed would be infinitely better. I’m sure you heard the stories about how long it was taking him to get his contacts in. I pictured in my mind half the team holding him down while he was kicking and screaming while somebody tried to get one in.
Anyway, all kidding aside, the surgery is such a no-brainer now, and would be better for him and the team in the long run. This is just a perfect opportunity to do it.
He stared at that third strike in his last game and I became convinced that he’s still not seeing the ball well.
I hadn't heard those stories....
I don’t disagree that Lasik would help as a permanent fix….I guess the point I was trying to make is that the contacts did fix his vision problem at the plate, but he didn’t stay healthy long enough afterwards to reap much of the benefit of that. But yeah, it would be the perfect opportunity to do so now.
But not everyone who benefits from contacts is actually even a good Lasik candidate, it depends on the specific nature of the eye problem (not so much the severity, really). I haven’t seen where it’s indicated that Helton checked into Lasik and decided against it, even though it was diagnosed as a good treatment for him specifically.
Staring at that third strike…yeah, it sucked, but even Pujols just flat out gets fooled once in a while. That AB against the Gints isn’t by itself an argument that his vision correction needs…further correction.
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Thanks
From reading that, sounds like he might just do it, then.
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As a lifetime contact wearer...
I’ve got to say they were never easy to play baseball in, or any other activity where you need to keep your eyes open to concentrate. The dry climate here just forces you to blink at inopportune times, like as the ball is being released from a pitcher’s hand.
I grew up playing competitive golf, and I’d almost always lose the ball in the air after blinking on tee shots just trying to follow it to the ground. It got kind of embarrassing to have to ask where it landed almost every time. And forget about it if it were even a little bit windy.
I was lucky to have discovered sun glasses later in life. They’ve literally changed my ability to play outdoor sports. Wear ‘em all the time. And I’m not a LASIK candidate — too blind.
When I played football growing up, I never could wear contacts.
I did have the Chris Sabo style plastic sports goggles though.
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jul 7, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
raining in Boulder again
this is going to be a long night with the weather
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
This game could indeed be some trouble.
We’re looking at significant precipitation not leaving the area until 11:00 tonight.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 7, 2010 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh crap, this bugs me for one big reason
Going to tomorrow’s day game, and if they push U-Ball and Chris Carpenter back to an evening makeup game, I’mma gonna be pissed.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
It's already 4-1 Nats and there's still nobody out in the first
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2010 5:26 PM MDT reply actions
I personally think it's looking great :-)
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 7, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I like the idea of Eldred comming up....
he’s be raking in AAA all season long, and given how poorly the 1st base position had produced, it doesn’t hurt to give the guy a chance.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Considering the pleasant returns from the Springs of late
in terms of Dex, CDI, Herrera, and Nelson, might as well give it a shot. But I really think Bradley is a better fit there going forward.
raking
means hitting for average AND power. He has a low BA and a lot of home runs which generally doesn’t translate well to ML level. Tonight we shall see though.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
JFK
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