Friday Rockpile: Judge Eldred
Friday commentary:
I spent many a post over the last moth desperately trying to persuade our loyal Rowbots that calling up Brad Eldred simply wasn't worth it. In the event that Todd Helton hit the disabled list, I would have expected Chris Nelson to be recalled again. While Nelson doesn't play first, he was already on the roster, a roster that had one space empty that was pretty much reserved for Taylor Buchholz's emergence from the 60 day disabled list, where he currently does not count against the 40 man limit. With Jason Giambi and Melvin Mora providing fragmented but acceptable first base options, Eldred never really crossed my mind as a legitimate option on the roster, particularly with the All Star Break coming up this week.
Now that Helton IS on the DL and Eldred IS up with the team, the status of the analysis must change accordingly. A little bit of important information on Eldred's contract status. He is out of options, for one thing, meaning when he leaves the team, he is designated for assignment, must clear waivers and must also accept outright assignment. Eldred also has less than a full season of major league service time, meaning that even if he were to stay active on the roster through the end of the season, he'd still be under team control next season, allowing us to pay him minimum salary.
The reason this is important is because the minors are somewhat dry of right handed power that figures to experience success off MLB pitcing at this point. Eldred himself may not be an exception; strikeout concerns, little experience, MLB pitching, short doorway in the clubhouse and so forth all represent potential threats to attempting to pull some sort of longevity out of his contributions. Because of this, none of what I say here should be considered an outright endorsement to keep Eldred, especially since we've only seen him in one game so far. If he does reamin with us, however, we will have a right handed power bat and alternative to an ailing Helton. Whether or not we can afford the roster space to keep him, though, is another issue altogether.If Helton returns in two weeks (the front office seems optimistic but I won't believe it until I see it), someone's going to have to go, and it's probably not going to be Giambi or Mora. Further, Taylor Buchholz is going to need that 40 man spot.
Judge Eldred for yourselves
Links after the jump.
According to Joey Nowak at MLB.com, the Rockies will be optioning Esmil Rogers back down to the Sky Sox to make room for Jorge De La Rosa (who doesn't appear to be recognized by SBNation's auto tag system anymore). We've already debated the issue of who should get bumped from the rotation to mostly dead levels of death, but even in the situation where Chacin has to be the loser by default outright as he is this time, I would prefer to leave Rogers in long relief and keep Chacin starting for the Sox. We must not forget that Rogers is running headfirst and out of option years into a rotation of Jimenez, Hammel, Cook, Chacin, and <INSERT LEFTY HERE> in 2011, meaning that barring injury, his future is most likely in trade, waiver claim, or in our bullpen. I'll make my full case below:
1. Rogers has struggled in the starting role this season at both the MLB and AAA levels.
2. Though Chacin is more developed than Rogers, he is still young enough to benefit from regular starting activity at any level. While Chacin is no Franklin Morales in terms of mental breakdown susceptibility and even being the guy that always comments on how much consistency is overrated in this game, I still find myself worried that we're going to squish Chacin into a role that will waste him, whether now or long term.
3. The aforementioned lack of space in the rotation for Rogers, who is stuck at the major league level (that is, if we intend to keep him in our organization) makes now as good a time as any to make a permanent transition to the pen for him. The only argument against this I can see is a possible lower in value for trade moves, but July 31 is not so far removed that Rogers could not be recovered into starting material by any future MLB destination.
Nowak also has notes on the surprisingly pleasant recent contributions from Dexter Fowler and Ian Stewart, as well as Eldred and the first base position as a whole during Helton's absence.
"Tracy has had no qualms about the fact that up to five different players could play first base for the Rockies in the near future. Besides Eldred, who was called up from Colorado Springs on Wednesday, and Giambi, he said Chris Iannetta and Hawpe will take ground balls at first. Melvin Mora has also played five games at first." - Joey Nowak, MLB.com
Time to bring out Tracy's D&D dice and do some 1B roleplaying games of chance.
Carlos Gonzalez finished third in the All Star Final Vote for the NL. While it would have been cool to see another playable Rockie make the team, Joey Votto, who won the vote, probably deserved to make the team over the other candidates. Troy Renck of the Denver Post also comments on the story.
Though I do not have ESPN Insider, MLBTradeRumors suggests that this article from ESPN's Buster Olney discusses the potential trade of Dan Uggla to the Rockies inside the premium section. If that is incorrect, I apologize, and enjoy some trade talk about Adam Dunn other teams mentioned here instead.
No major transactions news from Matt Eddy yet today, as it seems he has fallen off his Thursday schedule once again. Just keep your eyes to the new and improved Project Libra to keep ontop of the organizational moves.
Finally, it an interesting bit of non-news, Fangraphs author Alex Remington has posted a little article about the nature of baseball, addressing some of the things I love and hate about the game. Take a look and see what you think about some of these baseball philosophies.
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Hi, I don't understand the "money no object" comment in the poll
Whatever we do (other than a trade of a big name), the financials remain the same, no?
I dont think so.
Didn’t we have to purchase the contract of Eldred?
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Jul 9, 2010 7:30 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, but "purchase" is kind of a formality
We “own” Eldred as an organization, so to “buy” his contract, we just kind of trickle some minor league amount of money to the Sky Sox and then we pay Eldred a pro-rated $400,000.
When you are dealing with league-minimum type players, you don’t really worry about the financials. Say we send Eldred down and call up Cole Garner. Eldred likely goes back to a minor-league payscale and then Garner earns the pro-rated $400k. Say we do that 4 times during the season with 4 different minor leaguers. We pay each of them the pro-rated amount of $400k. So if Eldred is up for 1/4 of the season, he’ll earn $100k. If Esmil Rogers, Cole Garner, and Chris Nelson also spend 1/4 of the season (apiece) on the MLB roster, we’ll owe them all $100k. So if you take the 4 AAA players all up for 1/4 of the season apiece, that adds up to 1 whole season, and their pro-rated pay of $100,000 apiece totals up to $400,000, or the major league minimum.
So while technically, they do cost money, no MLB team frets about the league minimum (and whatever transfer fees may be involved) because you’re going to have to pay at LEAST that much money to have anybody on the roster no matter what.
Someone correct me if I’m off-base here.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
quick question
dont they still make 400k if they are on the 40 man but down in the minors?
not sure
Wolfmarauder has the answer, we discussed this once. I just don’t remember.
Typically they’ll sign split contracts that pay X in the minors and league min in the majors (or more if they’re a borderline veteran)
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not certain how the system work either, but
I have a hard time believing that any player is making “real” money in minor leagues unless they’re on a contract subsidized by the big league club. There’s just not way a minor league team can afford it. Literally, it’s not even close.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
back in like 2007
Barmes was on a split contract.
I don’t doubt that the MLB club subsidizes somewhat, but there are reasons that minor league clubs do so many ridiculous promotions. They NEED butts in seats or it’s bye bye birdie.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
i would think that if they are on the 40 man roster then the major league team would be paying their salary
but i dont really know how the system works either
No they don't...the minor league salary scale is different (lower).
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It depends on the contract.,
If they have the standard contract for the minimum, team control salary, then they pay scale if they are in the minors reverts to a MUCH smaller amount. However, someone like Manny Corpas, who still has options but has signed an MLB contract worth more money, will not have their pay reduced.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I read it as Cook and Francis carry the highest price tags on the staff
so putting them in the pen would carry very little bang for buck.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions
But the money is spent
You aren’t getting it back, you just have to make the best decision going forward. If you allow how much you already spent to force you to make suboptimal decisions going forward THEN you are wasting money. Economic thinking is about going forward, emotional thinking is about looking at what you already spent.
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by Rock Oax on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
My thought...
Eldred was called up knowing he’d provide a replacement, but if he did get hot, he’d also be a reasonable trade chip (obviously as a throw in).
I really do think this is kind of all leading toward a trade of some sort.
depending in how long helton is out, itll be tough for eldred to be a trade chip
Unless Helton is out the rest of the year, he would have to convince someone he is the next Carlos Pena or David Ortiz in a month of ABs to add too much value. IMO
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 7:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I've got Insider access...I'll check it out.
Because what’s a Rockpile anymore without a fresh Uggla take?
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*winks and shoots*
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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Quieter?
Yes, I just got here, and I’m not staying. :P
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Battle of the Sexes yay
Ubaldo Jimenez: Saving the Collective's Bacon
Brad Hawpe: Will pickup the slack for Tulo's bat
Todd and Troy: Get moving and get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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Yeah, I saw that after.
I forgot to mention that I DIDN’T hate Dan Uggla before, but I’m starting to now. :P
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ditto.
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Jorge de la Rosa has never been recognized by SBNation's auto tagging feature
I’m not sure why.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 8:18 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
They can't roll their "R's" that well...
not like Alana Rizzo!
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Alana Rizzo...
Great journalist, or greatest journalist?
Discuss!
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Dang, you caught me!
But Charlie77 is in love, so watch what you say around him! ;-)
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greatest journalist
EVAR!
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I'd rather listen to George Frasier
tell me he used to play for the Yankees for 3 hours straight.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
she's greatest something but rules prevent me for saying
she’s there to do exactly what she does, get you guys all hot and bothered and keep watching, and journalism has NOTHING to do with it
I don't know about THAT...
she’s not pure sex or anything like Charissa Thompson was…Rizzo doesn’t wear revealing outfits or anything like that. Plus I think she has a fairly extensive journalism background (but don’t quote me on that).
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly. She may not be top notch but she's not a blatant sex object
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd agree...
except I don’t think she’s all that great of a journalist. She does provide occasional insight, but I like her as well as any other pompous sports journalist.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Maybe not, but I sure like watching her
Probably because she seems to actually “get” the sport she is watching. Unlike Frazier… wait, was that out loud?
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speaking of
where’s she been lately? I don’t remember seeing her at all in the past week, but I haven’t been able to watch all the games either.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably got hit by another ball or bat or something
It's not luck - it's The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet!
hey a Buff
I can get behind her now
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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o_O
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Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
what?
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oh...gotcha.
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WHOA
I guess I could say that about Charlie Monfort, being that he’s a Ute alum, but it wouldn’t have the same effect now would it?
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
He has never autotagged for me
Ever
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
The weird part is, I thought he might have been tagged if the De and La weren't capped, but I always spell it that way, and so does SBNation.
I swear it worked once. I’m tempted to go back through all my posts and see, but eh…
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
in the autotag section of the editor
type it in the search function and his name pops right up, though I can’t get it to tag automatically either
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
Denver.SBNation.com
I know, that's what I do for the post tag, but it doesn;t link his name in the post, and I'm too lazy to do it manually.
by Greg Stanwood on Jul 9, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
ah yeah, can't really help you there
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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Via Olney
The Marlins need to go on a run like the White Sox have had in order to convince the front office to not start selling off parts. If the Marlins decide to sell — and Dan Uggla certainly comes to mind — the Rockies will be ready to talk. Sources say the teams match up well to put together a potential deal. If the Rockies get Uggla, they’ll probably install him at second base until Troy Tulowitzki gets back, and after that they could use him at first base, as well as other spots. Todd Helton just went on the disabled list.
I think this was the article that started all the brewhaha the other day. At least it was what I was referring to on Wednesday when I brought it up. Old news. I don’t think it needs to be rehashed.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
According to Harold Reynolds on mlb network last night
LeBron going to Miami could save the Marlins, piquing interest in sports in a town that has been flat since the last Heat championship and bridging the gap from now until their new stadium, making the Marlins unlikely to be sellers given their new fanbase.
Yeah, whatever.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 8:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
LeBron to Miami
is also going to help clean up the oil spill in the gulf.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Hi, welcome to the future. San Dimas California 2688 Miami after LeBraon arrives. And I’m telling you it’s great here. The air is clean, the water’s clean, even the dirt, it’s clean. Bowling averages are way up, mini-golf scores are way down. And we have more excellent water slides than any other planet we communicate with. I’m telling you this place is great!
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
So sad...
Keanu at the pinnacle of his career. Hard to top that.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
too bad they hate each other and refuse to communicate anymore :-(
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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Man, that just makes me miss George Carlin again :(
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Yea, whatever...
I like Harold Reynolds, but that sounds like a stretch to me also.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
Nice try Harold
New Lebron fans are not the same people willing to stew in their own sweat to watch a Marlins game in August.
I'm starting to get those Rockies goosebumps
Just sounds like he was trying to shoehorn the Lebron circus
into something relevant to baseball.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Why?
Just because he’s black are you saying he likes basketball????
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Well that's part of it
the other part is that the Marlins can stop clearing cap space for LeBron now and actually retain players. Watch out, NL East!
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow, I often like Harold Reynolds, but this is just stupid
LeBron going to Miami has piqued interest in the Heat, and in the NBA, and will have absolutely zero effect one way or the other on the Marlins.
Cleveland Indians attendance didn’t go up as a result of drafting LeBron.
Though I suppose Rockies attendance went up 32% once we drafted Tebow.
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sonfoa...
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wasn't Tebow drafted in April?
I Think Rockies attendance was up 100% in April over March.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Divide by zero
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
We tried that yesterday
Matter. Meet anti.
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I'm pretty sure this picture was taken above Cleveland this morning

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Then I clearly underestimated Tebow's impact on the Rockies
Tebow = GOLD FOR ALL DENVER FRANCHISES
What’s the Rapids’ attendance been like since the NFL draft?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
You could probably graph the attendence for this year...
and see that correlation.
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Tebow is so good...
that Rockies Spring Training attendence was up!
Rockies overall attendance was up 4 percent and up 11 percent on per-game average per this article.
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My "Other" Option
Chacin and Rogers to the bullpen and Corpas out. I do not know if he has option or how his big league time effects them. If the Rockies can not send him down than DFA him. I am sure I am in the minority one. I am used to it though. I have been saying for a year that I would keep Barmes as an everyday player rather than a super sub and if a move for an infielder is to be made it is at third base.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
Corpas has an option, so a dfa wouldnt be required
I’m sure this was considered, but given their respective appearances Tuesday and Wednesday, unlikely to have happened. Don’t forget how horrible Rogers was in AAA since we last sent him down. He was practically mirroring Corpas’ ineffectiveness, but in the minors.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 8:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes but
Corpas has been ineffective for two and a half years now. OK I will give him streaky over ineffective, but still.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
He was actually one of our top relievers this year
In all but two weeks of work.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 8:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said streaky.
Watching Corpas pitch is like riding a roller-coaster. He will go through stretches were he is really really good and then turn around and go through equal or longer stretches where he is just brutal. I do not have time right now to go out an look at a bunch of stats and graphs and stuff, but it just seems to me like his valley’s are getting longer and deeper and his hills are getting lower and lower.
I am not about to sit here and criticize the front office for signing him to his current 4 year 8 million dollar contract back in 08. At the time I thought it was a gamble worth taking. However, it just does not seem to be working out.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
I disagree.
His “streakiness” is all luck. He’s had the same pitches for the last two years; a fastball that sinks a little bit and one of the worst sliders I’ve ever seen. When he’s “effective” the line drives are finding leather and the deep flies stop just short of the wall. When he’s ineffective, the hard hit balls fall and runs score. He doesn’t strike anyone out. 07 was great, but the guy’s talent level has dropped so far that I don’t trust him to get big leaguers out consistently.
The best things in life are Tulo dingers, Ubaldo strikeouts, and uh, yeah.
Yankees are close to acquiring Cliff Lee
I figured if Jesus Montero was offered, case closed. Now the Yankees won’t have to surrender draft picks when they sign him to a long contract this offseason, as they were sure to do.
The downfall of this is that Javier Vasquez would be moved, likely to an NL contender. Olney mentions the Padres as a possibility. He may have struggled this year, but you can’t convince me he wouldn’t significantly improve the Padres staff with a move back to the NL AND petco
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 8:33 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
hey lets trade for Javy Vasquez
also, F*CK THE YANKEES
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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by Muzia on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recced
Purely for the disdain of that abomination of a baseball team in New York.
Seth Smith's beard looks on in anticipation.
Here we go
All of the Yankees faces.
Does anyone else think that the LeBron-DWade-Bosh deal is a sign of what would happen if baseball had a salary cap? The same thing happened in hockey (when Anaheim won the cup), and superstars are already gathered onto one roster in baseball. The Yankees are supposedly also looking at Werth, and if you’re Werth why wouldn’t you want to go there?
The difference between what is going on with the Heat
And the current Yankees is definitely money. Yeah, the heat got 3 stars, but they aren’t going to have the cap space available to get the surrounding cast that they will need unless you expect players to take a pay cut. And the way the Union Works in the NBA (I believe), that becomes difficult.
Now with the Yankees, you have a situation where if you want to make 10Mil a year, and you are worth it, you are likely to get your pay day there. Even if there are 20 other guys on the roster making 10 mil a year. Salary Tax? Well the Yankees don’t care, they have so many sources of income that it doesn’t matter to them.
I guess if I was born in New York and grew up with the Yankees, I would love that they are taking advantage of the system. However, I wasn’t. I’m a Colorado native, and I support the teams from my homeland.
The Ironic thing is that I’m someone who is a big advocate for Capitalism. The rules are in place that let the Yankees do what they do, and they have a financial base that will support it. However, it just feels dirty to me that they can take advantage of the free market talent every year instead of fielding a team of mostly home grown players. I can’t change the rules of the front office in Baseball, and I suppose its good for the league to have a couple of teams that have a large nationwide fan base, but I don’t have to like it.
Oh, and the Yankees SUCK!!!
Seth Smith's beard looks on in anticipation.
by Thnikkaman on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I sympathize
In that I too am a big fan of capitalism, and understand it is almost impossible to reconcile keeping baseball fair/interesting, and allowing teams to flourish because they have maximized their possible revenue.
I grew up in NY, but was never a Yankees fan (always Rockies, I was 9). However, I think the parallel between the Heat and the Yankees is apt. Swisher lobbied Sabathia, Sabathia lobbied Teixeira, and on it goes.
The NBA has so many exemptions and exceptions to the salary cap that allow veterans (the supporting cast) to sign for $3-4M. That’s how the Celtics built their team beyond Pierce and Garnett.
I guess I just really don't know enough about building an NBA roster
but it seems like you don’t need a lot. With those three playing 35 minutes per game, I could play forward and they’d probably make the playoffs.
Baseball, you just need a lot more parts. More so if the bulk of the payroll is in your starting pitching. Sounds like the Heat have been planning this for years, so they’ll have a window. Its not as if they can just dole out 3 more $100 million contracts in 4-5 years.
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
but the rumor is Chris Paul goes to the Heat at a discount as well in 2012
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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so is that collusion on the Heat's part or the players' parts?
And is it unethical at any rate?
Brad Eldred: El ponderoso burrito
by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
It'd be collusion if the Heat were involved
But the rumor is that during the ’07 or ’08 World Championships, the four of them made a pact to play together for whoever had the cap space.
basically destroying the league as a competitive entity
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
Denver.SBNation.com
Who cares...
They still send like half the league to the playoffs anyway. Everyone’s a winner!
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
nothing like sweeps through the first 2 rounds!
I wonder what it feels like to work in a real police department...
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Sweeps help...
since they expanded the first round to 7 games.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
And team Captain Melo pouts in the corner
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
As a Cuse Grad
I hope you’re joking.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 9, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Did you want me to say Gerry McNamara?
Joking. But remember when Melo threw the ball up in the air as the time expired (instead of holding on to it)? That’s when I knew there was something wrong with him.
I do remember that
It wasn’t the championship game. And yes, it was silly. But there are a lot of times players would be better off throwing the ball in the air for the last 3 seconds instead of risking fate at the free throw line.
by Jeff Francis Day on Jul 9, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
One of the problems with a salary cap in baseball is that it would greatly enhance the market for younger plays, and further crunches the market for the Jermaine Dyes of the world.
That’s why, without significant changes to the arbitration process, I don’t think the MLBPA would agree to a cap. More than anything, they want to keep their dues-paying membership high. Keep older, high-paid players on rosters for as long as possible keeps means more dues coming in. So, from the MLBPA’s perspective, a cap leaves you with:
a) Greater reliance on low-cost, young minor leaguers to fill out rosters,
b) Further reduction in salaries for aging veterans
c) Less money to pay the Pujolses and Sabathias.
None of those are good from a union’s perspective. If a cap is imposed and the same pay structure stays in place, their influence is greatly diminished (until the next CBA). Not that I think it’d be a bad thing.
Also, is it just a ML roster cap, or is there a cap for international signings? An organizational cap for major and minor leagues?
From a fan’s perspective, I don’t see the cap changing much about baseball. And, it further increases the possibility that 28 and 29-year old stars will take a short-term deal for less money to play somewhere for a championship.
I sort of agree
but the Yankees aren’t ALL FAs
Jeter is homegrown, as are Gardner, Posada, Rivera, Pettitte, Cano, Cervelli, Miranda, and other key players.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
so like 3 guys under the age of 27
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not the point
Posada, Pettite, Jeter, Rivera were all invaluable in their runs of dominance 90s-early 2000s.
You’ll be hard pressed to find teams like the Rays and Rockies who are nearly entirely homegrown AND in contention.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah but using those guys as an example of current organizational development is not a solid point
you’re talking about 12 years ago. Right now, they do very little in house development. A prospect drafted by the Yanks who plays in the big leagues knows the only way he plays in Yankee Stadium is in the visiting dugout
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okay.
so they have 4 players they developed themselves. 4
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It's not just players they've developed and kept
the good players they’ve traded: Kennedy, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Ross Ohlendorf, Karstens, Tabata, Dan McCutchen, etc.
All of them allowed the Yankees to trade for impending FAs or other players that improved their roster.
They’ve developed a ton of talent on other teams’ rosters right now.
Are you kidding me?
Those players as a group suck. That’s developing mediocrity. Really, who do you think the five best players are that the Yankees have developed in the last 10 years?
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
This is true
See, so many of the Yanks “ZOMG huge hyped prospects!” over the last 10 years have actually been mediocre or flameouts.
Cano a big exception of course. Ohlendorf? Kennedy? Really?
Most of those names are nothing more than complementary pieces, at best. The Yanks really haven’t developed much in terms of real MLB upper echelon talent (Cano aside, and potentially Hughes) since the Jeter/Pettite/Rivera/Posada days.
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this is true
the hype of “Yankee Prospects!” has always confused me.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
It doesn't confuse me at all
ESPN Baseball Tonight + anything ZOMG YANKEEZ = made up truths way out of proportion to actual truths
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but the people actually watching prospects know better
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Right, right, but some owners....
…..are really dumb enough, baseball-wise, and overrule their scouts, GM types.
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this makes me cry
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Me too, since I was an O's fan as a kid
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Fair enough.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
which is kind of sad
but now that Brian Cashman is actually getting some leeway to work, the Yankees are gonna be scary good
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, yes
But it won’t be mostly on the backs of their own scouting/development, zing!
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you never know
the Yankees aren’t idiots anymore
they know how to flex their checkbook
(does anyone remember the VISA ad where Joe Torre is encouraging someone in an arm cast to try and perform or something and it’s Steinbrenner with a checkbook?)
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Other prospects/young players given up since 2003:
Ted Lilly, Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, Alfonso Soriano, Dioner Navarro, Carlos Monastrios, Tyler Clippard, Arodys Vizcaino.
There aren’t any stars (except maybe Soriano), but there was enough potential to trade for some very good players, and there were a lot of productive season out of that group and the others.
I gotta come clean...
I’ve never even heard of that last guy.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
this guy here is dead.
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Hahaha
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
the centerpiece of the Javy Vasquez trade
21 year old fireballer I think
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Neither have I
And Clippard? He’s had what so far, one productive half-season?
Lilly was not a Yankees’ drafttee, and in fact first reached the majors before joining their system. I think you’re starting to reach a bit in supporting an argument that the Yankees have actually developed a lot of real major league level talent.
Sure, a few guys above replacement players.
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Whatever, the point is not about whether you can build a good team
from the players they traded away in the last ten years. It’s whether other teams thought players were good enough to give up real talent for.
Yeah, Lilly is my bad. Sorry.
I think we're actually making different points here
Yeah, some other teams think some players in the Yankees system are good enough to trade for.
But the Yankees’ actual development of players talented enough to build a franchise around is woefully lacking.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
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In making the latter comment
you’re overlooking 1996-2000, and Cano, Gardner, Hughes, Joba, Cervelli, Kennedy, Jackson. Not all stars, but good enough to play for most clubs.
Their development is good, not the best, but good. The players they keep: generally good. The players they trade away: doesn’t matter for the purposes of the argument, except to say they were good enough at one point to be included in a trade for realized talent.
Well actually for almost every other team it is about whether you can build a good team because they can't have a roster where 50% of the players are getting paid 8 million a year or more
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
You couldn't build a cheap core from:
Cano, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Cervelli, Montero/Romine, Gardner, Jackson? Add in the 96-00 core: Jeter, Posada, Mo, Pettitte, and you pretty much have an entire major league roster of home grown talent.
Plus some good bullpen pieces, and a lot of backup catching.
We're talking post 96-00 core
“Cano, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Cervelli, Montero/Romine, Gardner, Jackson” would not beat what the Rockies/Twins/Braves and probably a couple others have developed in the last decade.
The point is that the Yankees have not actually developed top level talent since 96-00.
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You could build a very nice core from Rockies players, too
I’m not saying any of this is exclusive to the Yankees. I’m just saying there are few clubs who have produced enough above average talent to build a real team, and the Yankees are one of them.
Despite the big prospects that turned out to be duds, which were mostly traded for useful parts, there is still enough production over the last ten years to build 2/3 of a very good roster.
I'm just gonna call a truce here because you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours
We’re simply never going to agree on this issue
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
No disrespect,
you make some good points, but you’re myopic in your bias against the Yankees.
Are you going to deny the last point? Or that every system has stars, duds, and filler?
I’m sure the Yankees have had lots of overhyped prospects, but that’s not the point I’m making. They capitalized on the potential value of those prospects, and kept producing more. It’s built into the current roster construction as much as signing expensive FAs.
Well, almost every system has stars, duds, and filler
No doubt.
But the Yankees’ system has not nearly as many stars as what is hyped. The fact that Cashman can count on about a half dozen stupid owners/GMs to continually take the filler off his hands is not an endorsement of the Yankees system.
And with that, I really do have to get to work.
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Who is this magic hyper?
Other teams trading quality players for dud prospects is not the same as some jerk off on ESPN raving about Tabata even though he’s 45 years old.
As I said below, I agree with you to a certain extent.
It not that I'm going to deny the last point
It’s that we’ve been over it already and I just don’t think the Yankees could have produced a good core with the talent they have produced in the last decade. Their pitching would be an atrocity (minus Hughes) and their lineup would be mediocre at best. The core of that team is high priced players, not young prospects, and there’s no way around that for me.
To say the Yankees have produced above average talent in the last ten years is asinine to me and since we’ve been going around in circles with this I don’t think it’s beneficial to discuss any further.
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
If you built a team around the propects the Yankees have brought up in the last 10 years they would suck and you know it
Their prospects have always been more hype than talent
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
If you built a team around the volume that makes up
any minor league system, it’d probably suck. But that’s not the point!
The point is they were good enough at the time to trade for useful pieces. Cashman has a history of not trading the most useful players (though I think he could missed one in Jackson).
If you built a team around the volume...
that makes up systems like the Rockies’, Twins’, Braves’, etc., they’d be pretty damn good. And a hell of a lot better than the Yankees, if they built in the same fashion.
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You're conflating the sources of talent
If you took Cano, Montero, Gardner, Jackson, Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy, that’d be a pretty good core.
You can’t just use the players traded away from the Yankees; just like the players traded away from the Twins, Braves, Rockies etc wouldn’t be good either.
If you had a team where Kennedy was the #2 starter
It wouldn’t be very good
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Great.
I think my point has been shattered into a thousand comments.
It’s not about how good the players traded by the Yankees are; it’s about how good the players they got are and how good the players they kept are.
Gotsta work now.
Gotsta work now, too
That was fun.
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Not a bad core, but nowhere near
what they developed in the mid 90s. Nowhere near. And not as good as the Twins, Braves, and Rockies have been with the talent they’ve actually developed and kept.
Sure, the Yanks are good with Cano, Gardner, Hughes, Joba, etc., but none of them are the actual foundation for the reasons for the Yanks being so good. Rather, it’s CC/Jeter/Rivera, etc. (AGain, Cano excepted, and Hughes pretty much excepted).
In the case of the other teams, they’re good largely because of their home grown developed talent, and the players brought in have been the complementary pieces, not vice-versa.
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Wait
So you can’t count Jeter, Rivera or Pettite because they’ve been Yankees for too long? Developing hall of fame players is a strike against them? They don’t need all the other junk because those guys have been so good for so long.
No, I'm saying...
The Yankees haven’t developed much top level talent since then.
My whole argument is that the Yanks have no choice but to overpay for top talent now, because what they’ve developed the last ten years wouldn’t win squat in terms of playoff quality teams. All they’ve developed SINCE 2000 is Cano, Hughes, and a few complementary pieces. Not nearly enough to actually field a playoff quality roster.
Unlike the other teams I’ve been referring to. The Yankees’ ability to develop players has fallen off quite a bit SINCE Jeter/Rivera/Posada/Pettitte.
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I agree to a certain extent
but Hughes, Cano and Joba probably count as top talent. Gardner is above average at worst. And Jackson, Kennedy and Tabata aren’t junk, and could be very good.
I also think the Yankees are near maxed out, and if they’re not maxed out, the combination of heavy obligations for the next 5-6 years, plus teams’ locking up their young players before arbitration is through will end the Yankees current greatness in 2-3 years.
Ok, truce with Mondo?
Austin Jackson and Kennedy are rookies who show a lot of promise. Coke is a good reliever, and Tabata will probably be a better than replacement-level OF.
Way to cherry pick the dumpsters of a broad illustration.
"better than replacement player"
Isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of a farm system.
And good relievers, though they don’t grow on trees necessarily, are again, not exactly the foundation of an argument that a team’s really really good at developing their own talent.
And your post below is exactly what proves my point. False hype selling Yanks’ prospects as being better than they actually are.
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But that's the point
ESPN wasn’t hyping up Karstens or Tabata. Lots of people were talking about how marginal they are.
It’s that teams thought enough of the Yankees’ minor leaguers to offer good players in exchange.
It's not about how good the Yankees Prospects! turned out to be
It’s about other teams thinking the prospects were good enough to trade for, in exchange for something the Yankees wanted for a playoff run.
It's true.
I hate the Yankees, but organizations who are truly run well have good scouting departments that actually do the work, not just buy into hype.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
And that's why you don't see the Yanks....
….pawning off their truly overhyped prospects on teams like the Rockies and Twins. Instead, they go to ZOMG D’backs!
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Hughes is actually good though
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This
Hughes is actually good.
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So you're saying the Twins would have bought into the overhype?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
And seeing what Santana has done since,
I can’t blame them.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
At the time,
nobody thought that was the best the Twins could do.
And instead of buying into the Yankees Prospects! they bought even shittier Mets Prospects!?. One of them has been released, and one has been traded.
Yeah, that was a rough deal.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
But, Yankees hype has created a problem, regardless if the right trade was made there or not.
Other teams just need to step up their game. Most are on the right track by starting to develop from within, and not trade their best prospects for high-priced talent.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jul 9, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Other teams are stupid
Except the Rays, Twins, Rockies, maybe Braves and a few others.
That they got suckered is a problem for their President/Owner, not the Yankees.
No one wants to hold the other teams accountable for making crap decisions.
Great point
A lot of other teams are still stupid. However, that’s not an endorsement of the Yankees’ player development system.
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No, their own developed players...
…marginal success as a whole is a mark against them.
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Of course it's not about how good the Yankee prospects turned out to be because Yankee fans will never see them in uniform
Instead they will see the high priced player who the Yankees traded the prospects for.
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
So, they should or shouldn't trade them away?
They’re not allowed to maximize on potential in exchange for help for a playoff run?
Well they are but taking on huge amounts of payroll makes that playoff run a hell of a lot less impressive to me
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Except Cano/Soriano/Hughes/Chamberlain, etc
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 9, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
And they commit $493 million to three players in the 08/09 offseason and talk about how wonderful your franchise is at developing talent
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, them too
I just hate thinking about Joba for any reason.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, what's wrong with using Jeter, Posada, Mo, Pettitte?
Good players last a long time. I buy my dress shoes at Kenneth Cole instead of Payless, not because they look better, but because they’re going to last for years.
my point was they really can't be used as an example of the current organizational development
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All of the players above can, however,
and they’ve given the Yankees a) a cheap source of players to fill in the roster while they pillage the FA markets, and b) tools to trade for young, cost-controlled players (like Granderson).
Jeter is cheap?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
sure, they have to fill in the pieces with cheaper players
they still operate under a separate set of rules from everyone else though
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We've been down this road before
The Yankees have a revenue stream that can’t be matched. Not only is the potential revenue massive; they do a better job maximizing it than any other team.
And as I tried to articulate above about players colluding to join the same team, there are as many problems with a cap as there are with the current system. I’m of the belief that the cap will only serve to push salaries down and make teams more profitable. It won’t reduce ballpark prices, and it won’t stop players from gathering on one team a la the Heat/Celtics.
I certainly agree with you on the latter point
the cap won’t fix anything at all.
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What do you do about the revenue stream though? Short of capping revenue (and having the rest spill over to some common fund like the Luxury Tax), I don’t know what the solution would be.
Eventually, the Yankees will spend themselves out of contention (probably on Jeter).
the luxury tax is a good idea poorly implemented
right now, the Yankees are the only team paying into the fund. How about we lower it to a point that the top 5 payrolls have to pay into it.
This way, the Yankees will balk at having to pay such an exorbitant amount of money, other teams also have to split the bill, and payrolls will normalize.
(If this happened, a salary floor would also need to be included, so teams like Florida can’t fund their entire payroll from luxury tax revenues)
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This is a weird "what if" but here it goes:
So the biggest thing some of the eastern sports teams have going for them are their TV contracts – would it be possible for a bunch of regional small market baseball teams to come together and do what the yankees/redsox are doing?
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Given baseball's territories map
it’d be a difficult task. Things like the Big Ten network work because there aren’t many games happening simultaneously. But baseball is obviously different.
Also, MLB probably wouldn’t want a competitor for the MLB Network.
How about a colorado sports network
With coverage for Broncos,Rockies,Av’s, Nuggets, Rapids, Mammoth, other sports teams I may not know about…
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isn't altitude
now owned by Fox Sports? I could be wrong on this.
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Altitude is still owned by Kroenke sports
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thank you.
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Thank You
RMN. You are oh so very helpful.
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much appreciated
my good sir.
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thank you.
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wouldn't allow it, in fact
the YES network is its own beast
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that sucks.
stupid east coast bias
/stupidity
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The difference is that the Yankees payroll allows them to hang on to these players while other clubs would not be able to
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
The difference is that after payroll, the Yankees annually walk away with 600 million dollars
What are they supposed to do, simply pocket $600 million dollars?
How about charge less than $2500 for a good seat so all of more fans can experience the game up close and in person
Get well soon Tulo. The Rockies need you.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
precisely.
the market in New York is supporting it, therefore there is no reason for it to change.
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ahhh baseball
where baseball IQ is inversely proportional to the price paid for the ticket.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
that's fine,
but you were stupid at that game.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
if you knew what game I was talking about, you'd laugh a little harder
and Maria would post “Oh RMN”
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
shoelicker?
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actually, shoelicker was in the rockpile, right?
I retract my entire argument.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jul 9, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
what game?
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hey me too
Timmeh vs Ubaldo last fall. It completely owned.
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I was in the faith day cheap seats with my church
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
wait until they see how much money we are spending for a weekend at Dodger stadium
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if we leave at like 4am on friday we could make all 3 games
and almost guarantee a Strasburg start
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well I'm definitely down with leaving balls early
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
sweet!
wait that phrase confuses me.
yay?
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STOP RUBBING IT IN MY FACE
kidding…have a dodger dog for me would ya.
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probably at least 3
one for every game since we’re getting 2$ tickets
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what?!?!?
thats awesome.
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yeah outfield seats for like 2$ apiece
apparently no one wants to see the Natinals, even though we have like an 80% of seeing Strasburg
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that is awesome.
I’m even more jealous now.
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we'd better get on that
but I’m sincerely doubting that Fri night happens, what with a 16 hour drive + traffic
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
why is it 16 hours
we are going across the freaking desert
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if it's really $2 per game
sure we’ll burn like 5 bucks if we miss it, oh noes.
by Andrew Martin on Jul 9, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
we could always leave thursday night and get through new mexico or something
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