Sunday Rockpile: What the teams of the NL West said about themselves yesterday
Each of the five NL West teams had a chance to make some major changes before Saturday's trade deadline, some did, some didn't. Sometimes it's hard to read between the lines, however about what a team is actually saying about the state of the franchise with its moves. Here's a helpful primer:
Arizona:
The Diamondbacks ended up trading away Dan Haren, Chad Qualls, Chris Snyder and Edwin Jackson for salary relief, lesser players and prospects. That's two fifths of their opening day starting rotation, their opening day closer and one half of their strong catching tandem. That not only says that 2010 is a hopeless cause, but losing Haren in particular also says that the team isn't really expecting to be competitive in 2011, either. Arizona's averaging nearly 10,000 less fans/game than the Rockies this season, so we can probably expect a payroll gap that was close to even two years ago to widen next Spring.
What it says: "This fixing project is going to take awhile."
Colorado:
Literally did nothing at or before the trade deadline. What's interesting to me about this isn't what Dan O'Dowd's saying about 2010, it's the implied assertion that the Rockies will have the best team in the division for 2011 or at least close enough that he feels the needs for next year could be met in the winter. As of this morning, the Rockies and Dodgers are equal in the standings but were polar opposites in their approach to the deadline. While I'm not convinced that some movement of extra parts might have helped the Rockies franchise for now or next year, the calm from the front office is actually reassuring.
What it says: "Don't panic."
Los Angeles:
Traded away Blake Dewitt, James McDonald and any prospect not at the very top of their list in order to get Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot, Scott Podsednik and Octavio Dotel. Due to the unsignability of their 2010 draft picks, the Dodgers also aren't going to be restocking their farm system this year as much as the other teams in the division.
As I said was the case with the D-backs in the offseason, stripping away an entire supporting cast of upper level prospects and adding payroll to a cash strapped franchise that's seven games back for one shot at glory isn't a sign of complete confidence, it's a sign of a ticking clock, a bomb that's about to go off behind you. It's clear after these moves that Ned Colletti feels that the Dodgers have to win now, so the real question we should be asking is why, and what exactly is the disaster that he sees on the horizon for 2011. My guess is that it has something to do with the three starting pitchers, two relievers, catcher and left fielder that they'll either have to pay out the wazoo for in the FA market or otherwise severely downgrade the team.
What it says: "PANIC!!!!"
San Diego:
The Padres are actually in an interesting fix, with their attendance/revenue not increasing as quickly as the team's win total should suggest, limiting their ability to make moves to shore up a first place team. Keeping the current roster intact would be tricky enough. For all that, Jed Hoyer was able to do what Brian Sabean couldn't, and added a decent bat in Ryan Ludwick for a couple of prospects after getting Miguel Tejada for relief prospect Wynn Pelzer earlier in the month. If the Padres insist Tejada's a shortstop, it could be trouble for them, but overall, there's not much to not like about these trades from their standpoint, the prospects they gave up were relatively few and relatively unimportant compared to the Dodgers farm torching.
What it says: "We're for real and we're not going away."
San Francisco:
For the second season in a row, while in the midst of a pennant chase, Brian Sabean has seemingly traded away prospects for players that don't amount to much, if any of an upgrade on their current team. So when the Denver Post headline writer titles Jim Armstrong's piece: Sabean works his magic again, I see a second rate lounge act rather than some serious wizardry at improving a team. Yeah, Buster Posey helps, but with Pablo Sandoval suddenly mortal, that particular exchange amounts to treading water at best as the Giants still have just one homegrown lineup threat. The real key to their increased run production this season thus far has been Aubrey Huff, and there the Giants are relying on a 33 year old continuing the best season of his career. Should his current 148 OPS+ regress back toward his 115 career mark, and this is probably the safest bet for the last two months, the Giants are in line for a fall from the beanstalk they're currently on.
What it says: "I have no freaking clue what I'm doing here..."
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Links after the bump:
I would think one of the signs of sports writing hackery would be that there's nobody else in your profession to back you up in your opinion. I've been reading a lot of trade deadline reactions and so far, just one mentions the Rockies as either a winner or a loser, that's Mark Kiszla. Is there really apathy in Denver to the Rockies? No. To stupendously cut rate sports journalism? Absolutely.
- Helton facing uncertain future with the Rockies - the cold and unsentimental among Rockies fans might drown out the rest of our voices on this subject, particularly if like me, you're still in denial and kind of ignoring it. Todd will come back. He will.
Another sign of sports writer hackery would be contradicting what your own paper says that very same day. Check out the way Kiszla manipulated Jim Tracy's and Carlos Gonzalez's words to make it sound like they were disappointed with what O'Dowd did, and yet just a couple of stories down:
Seriously, Denver Post editors, Kiszla can be a rabble rouser all he wants, but try to keep him honest. Deliberate falsehoods from columnists, whether implied or explicit, drive me up a wall like nothing else.
Oh yeah, and there was a game last night:
- Carlos Gonzalez's walk off blast completes cycle (video, because you should watch it again)
Let's complete the sweep today, fellas.
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I think Armstrong went to the Kiszla School
“Sabean works his magic”? Really? Calling up Posey was not “a masterstroke”. It was the obvious move at a time when everyone and his uncle knew that Molina was an albatross on both sides of the ball. I also like how the Giants are legit but the Rockies aren’t. You know, even though the Giants went through their own really rough stretch only a month ago (with the Rockies’ help, even). I flat-out refuse to believe the Giants are so much better that they can turn it around and the Rockies can’t…because they’re just not, sorry. I like the FO’s message here…they have a sniper’s patience.
I wish the DP had more intelligent writers than just Renck. It must be hard for him to counteract that much stupid day in and day out.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 9:32 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I commented in last night's game wrap..but I'm repeating here
Ugh..I should not have read that..
I fell asleep for a bit. Just woke up to see what was being said about the game here..
I HATE Kiszla…he’s the biggest hater of all Denver sports. He’s a poor man’s T.J. Simers. I swear that pos is hellbent on destroying Denver sports singlehandedly. He is largely why I barely crack the Denver Post anymore.
I will no longer listen to 1510am because they have given him his own show with Jim Armstrong.
He’s hateful, destructive, ill-informed, and knows NOTHING about baseball, much less the Rockies. He’d rather we have gone after Lilly, or Theriot? He’s too stupid to know that the squad we have has been injured and playing poorly. Not that the team is a bunch of poor players…..
I hope he says something so stupid one day that it gets him fired.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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This was Armstrong that wrote the piece I'm tearing apart
Then again, Armstrong is nothing but Kiszla’s catcher.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I was talking about the "Sabean works his magic again" article
Sabean couldn’t work magic out of a wet paper bag.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I know....I was referring to the Kiz of Death
I probably should have made a separate post, but I didn’t since you were the only one discussing the “reporting”
Didn’t mean to confuse and conflate…
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
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Ah, no worries. That makes more sense, actually
DP reporters save for Renck are all the same, though Kiszla is the only one I won’t read for any reason without plenty of duct tape nearby.
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The San Francisco Giants: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
First off
Kiszla isn’t a “reporter”, he’s a columnist. Their job is to generate controversy.
If you want to see Kiszla at his best, read a column he writes about a High School athlete or College athlete that is going through some kind of hardship. He’s excellent when he does do them.
Armstrong does an acceptable job as a columnist (not good, acceptable). He’s not as negative as Kiszla or Woody, and doesn’t try to be the jester they do.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Uh, NO.
Seriously, read a column he does about a teen. He’s not negative at all. The first time I read one, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I was just messing. Didn't you see my Just Messing emoticon?
Kiz should just stick to writing the sorts of stories you mention, because when he writes anything else, it is nothing more than hackneyed.
agreed
and, yes I caught it…
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
First off
I put “reporting” in quotes for a reason. Maybe Kiszla should stick to “commenting” on high school sports.
Second off…not all “columnists” have to create controversy to get readers. Kiszla claims to have quotes from players and then twists them into untruths that support his agenda on that day. He’s not someone to be respected.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
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cat, he's done his job
He’s got people here talking about the DP. Thats what columnists are supposed to do.
Kiszla doesn’t report High School sports, he comments about certain individual/athletes. It usually happens about twice a year or so, so if you were to headline his column and not read all the Rockies/Broncos/Av’s stuff while focusing on the HS column’s (thats what I do) you get any useful info he writes.
Its really the only way I can stomach what he writes.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I doubt that want readership to decline. The only reason I read his drivel today
was because it was so utterly over the top. It’s my mission in life to see that man run out of town…you know like he does with the local baseball team
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
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Give him a bit of credit
at least he didn’t go pawing through anybody’s locker to come up with his latest piece of filth.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Dammit...you're right...I'm sorry
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
I like to recognize growth of character when I see it...
I like being a smartass even more…. :D
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Talking about the DP is one thing
What they need is paid subscribers…which they’re not so good at getting.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
This is a good reminder.
Kiszla at his worst is whenever he writes about the Rockies or the MLB, as he’s completely out of his depth. I know why he does it from a formulaic sports page perspective where you have to have that curmudgeon guy, I just wish that newspapers like the DP would either find one that’s got a better baseball IQ or just have him stop embarrassing their paper when he writes about the sport.
by Rox Girl on Aug 1, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
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lol at the curmudgeon reference. Nice.
I’d say the DP has someone that knows the sport. Renck fills that spot. No one I know reads the DP to get sports info from Paige or Kiszla. They think they’re idiots like everyone else.
Furthurmore, I get a laugh everytime I watch Around the Horn on the 4-letter. Paige is such a clown he sets the Denver sports scene back whenever he opens his mouth. Yet, he IS entertaining.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
So...he's a poor man's Rick Reilly?
Thanks, but no freaking thanks.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Kiszla stirs the pot to gain readership and sell papers. The fact that you/I/we read him means that he's doing his job.
I disagree with the vast majority of the stuff he writes. But I do read him occasionally. And once in a blue moon, I agree with him. Armstrong….meh. On the other hand, I never read Woody.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Consdiering the DP website is free (for now)
has he really done his job selling papers?
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
They still do sell actual newspapers...
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
The number is constantly dwindling
That’s my point.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
He's generating hits for the website
which makes them more money from the website ads.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand that
That’s why I specifically said “selling papers”
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
but he has done part of his job
so I deny you and your word games…. :D
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed. :)
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The San Francisco Giants: Weapons-grade stupid since 1883.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
For a long time
the DP and the Rocky were delivering free newspapers. I think I paid for Sunday only, one time, and got the DP everyday for 5 years.
Now, they have everyone paying to get it delivered, as well as the adverts. Take a look at the classifeds. THAT’s where they’ve taken a huge hit. Ultimately, the internet will put all papers out of business.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 1, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Well yeah...why pay for it when you can get it for free? I think we agree on this point. :)
I don’t know that the internet will put ALL papers out of business. The vast majority, yes, but not all.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
i still don't understand how the Giants and Padres are so far over .500
i know they have good pitching but geez…hopefully they will both die down the next few months and the Rox make there move….Giants did fade down the stretch last year…i hope they do the same this year
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
I think the Giants will, and they'll start to fade very soon in August.
I don’t know what to think about the Padres, they’ve defied our expectations all season, and they’ve played well against quality opposition and on the road, these usually aren’t indications of a team that will fade. I think the Rockies can narrow the gap on them with a strong month, but it’s looking like we’ll have to go 5-1 against them in September (or that one win better) if we really want to catch them.
I think the Giants will start to fade when they come into Coors on Tuesday
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Actually, I hope they start it today against the Dodgers.
I really think we can easily beat LA one on one in a race down the stretch this season, it’s those head starts we’ve given SF and SD that worries me.
I sorta feel the reverse
The reason being, we can’t seem to beat the Dodgers enough, no matter how better we are than them. I want to see 3-4 games in hand over the Dodgers
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
i agree
100%…friggin Dodgers we need to get over that hump against them
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
yep
we desperately need to take those 2 games this week…especially facing Sanchez and Bumgarner rather than the big 3 we always seem to face every series against them
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
They haven't played good teams on the road for long stretches though
Their last 30+ games are against above .500 teams, three of whom will be gunning for them. At least I hope.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
This is why it's still a question in my book and not a certain
“they’re good and they’re not going to fade” answer. They don’t really get tested until September, but by then, they might be five games ahead of the rest of the division.
Much of it is scheduling. We are just now playing teams like the Pirates etc.
That Road trip set us back. A win today. And take both from the Giants Tues/Weds and we are back to 7 over. Then we just need a 5-2/4-3 Road trip.
we should sweep the Pirates, seriously....
that team is just terrible and losing that series earlier was a joke. The Mets series will be a little rougher
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 1, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Sweeping a 4-game road series is almost impossible, even against terrible teams
I think we’ve done it about three times in franchise history (once vs. Washington last year)
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
last year was only a 3 games series
but i believe we did that 2 or 3 years ago in Wash
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
yep just found it
2006 we swept them 4 game series there and in coors
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay there you go
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
other than that
it is tough to find 4 game sweeps on the road….Cardinals last year during that 11 game streak was another one…
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah the way we play in new york
i will take 1 win there and a 4-3 road trip…as long as we win the next 3 games
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Sweeping the Giants is a tall order these days
Even if it is a home 2-gamer. Though facing Sanchez and Bumgarner gives us a great shot
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
yep
going to be tough but facing there #4 and 5 starters we must do it…must cool down the Giants and possibly hurt there souls a bit
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
They both win on the road.
And I’m not saying I’m a Sabean fan but the Giants, for whatever reason. manage to be competitive (with a lineup that. on paper. doesn’t always appeal) year in and year out.
Go Bruce!
Contracts
Anyone know a good place to find a player’s contract info?
Don't have the URL, but search for "Cot's Contracts"
It’s all you’ll ever need.
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Then again...
I’m probably an idiot, but I can’t quite figure out the Rockies’ spreadsheet. Cargo and Dex are both free agents after this season? Doesn’t seem right.
No, both are pre-arbitration, and under team control. They don't really make that very clear
I wish there was something a bit better available, but this is the best we’ve got that’s free online.
Got it
Should we be worried now or later that Scott Boras represents both?
Later, definitely
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Later, not now
No reason to worry now, we have both for at least three more years before that’s an issue
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Worry later. Not for another two or three years.
As long as we go to the playoffs a couple more times before they hit free agency, we should be able to afford at least one of them for a long term deal.
Project Libra does have contract statuses on it now
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 1, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
They are Arbitration eligible I believe. Cargo will get an offer that takes him through
his first year of FA 4 yr/24 mil deal Dex will get something smaller. I think most of Hawpe’s money goes to these 2
CarGo and Dex won't sign deals that go through his first year of FA
Both have Scott Boras as their agent, and Boras simply does not allow his players to sign away FA years, not unless they are wayyyy over market. So no, it’s not gonna happen.
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As much as we dislike Boras. It is ultimately the player who decides
If Carlos wants to stay here, he will. But I see your point.Although Boras has cost clients alot of money over the last few years.
Players who choose Boras generally aren't interested firstly in loyalty
So their choice is almost already made
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
So you automatically think Dex and Carlos are gone in a few years?
I dunno….you might see something different
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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No
I just assume they won’t give us a huge hometown discount. Or buy out arbitration years
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
This
There is no reason to automatically believe they’re gone. However, Boras has been somewhat amenable to buying out arb years in the past, just not FA years. But even then, not at a discount, so I fail to see the point.
Looking way ahead, I suspect when the time comes, we’ll be able to afford to keep on of them, not both. But that’s a long time off.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Does Ubaldo still represent himself?
He negotiated his most recent contract on his own, right?
No, he does not represent himself
But he essentially told his agent “get it done, I don’t care, I want security for the next few years and I’ll worry about the huge dollars then”
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
He fired his agent outright and negotiated his own contract.
He may have since obtained a new agent.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
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its amazing...
how cheap and long we get to keep him for his awesomeness
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 1, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I love baseball.
So much.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
On this we all can agree :)
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just be watching" - Yogi Berra(thanks pedalpusher)
QPU Member #4, NYYHEG Member #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Fowler8, Herrera4, CarGo7, Tulo6, Giambino3, Smith9, Iannetta2, Stewart5, DeLaRosa1
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:28 AM MDT reply actions
Whoa...Trace still lets Johnny play?
Who knew?
2nd start of the homestand for Johnny
First for Giambi
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
kind of surprising....
giving Mora’s hot bat lately and Tracy’s love for the guy
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 1, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
It was about time to play the Giambino
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Completely random, and funny.
Whilst researching Ubaldo’s agent status, I came across this little funny tidbit. Maybe you’ve already seen it, I hadn’t, but wanted to share nonetheless. And Russ, please don’t ban me.
Ubaldo Jimenez is a Sith Lord.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2010/05/31/postgame-notes-ubaldo-jimenez-is-a-sith-lord-lincecum-is-own-worst-enemy-upton-is-latest-tale-of-destruction/
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Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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nice
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good find
I doubt Russ would be the one to ban you for that, he’s actually an Empire sympathizer from what I can tell.
and a yankees fan.
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Thanks RG...whew, I was worried....
My favorite part was that the Giants still want to feed him to the Rancor Beast…I lol’d
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Sith doesn't always equal the Empire.
The post-Vision of the Future Empire headed by Gilad Pellaeon is where my sympathies are.
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Kiszla is a tool
however….it got me thinking about the differences in fan “bases” of the local teams. I’m not versed in hockey….so I can’t comment on that. But the Bronco’s fans are definitely more abundant in Denver….and extremely polarized. Look at the myopic sucking up that’s done on MHR and the utter contempt and whining about everything that the Broncos do on the DP forum….Remarkably polarized. Nuggets fans skew really negative but you won’t find a more devoted fan “base” even though we complain about everything they do.
Purple Row seems to represent the cross section of Rockies fans very well.
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point being....Kiszla can kiss the roundest part of my butt
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indeed.
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jpage78, do you really want his lips anywhere near your roundest parts?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
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yeah..... /shudders
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You nailed it exactly as usual.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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from Ian Stewart via twitter
favorite baseball movie is the sand lot…favorite movie right now is Inception
I wad sitting next to Smitty and said cycle walk off
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also this one made me chuckle
To the fans: from now on call me Ian…Mr. Stewart makes me feel old!
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I wrote to him and sound, "That's sounds like a plan Mr. Ian!"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
he is one of my favorite players to follow
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I responded to him:
“Don’t worry, it would feel weird to call you Mr. Stewart…I’m older than you!”
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
The sandlot is one of the best baseball movies around
It was a favorite of mine as a youngling.
It is my second favorite -
and I watch it at the start of every season – love it!
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That's an awesome tradition
Sadly, I haven’t seen it in a few years, but now I feel compelled to a find a place that has it and rent it.
do it.
You can usually find it at Target in the 5 dollar movie section. It’s a good investment ;)
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The sequel is pretty good too.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2010 11:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I never had a chance to watch it at my Mom's house! I will one day
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I never had a chance to watch it at my Mom's house! I will one day
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I grew up playing those kind of sandlot games.....
I even got to play them a lot in winter when in Texas. Sadly I never see kids playing them anymore. There were some years where I must have exceeded an MLB schedule. Double and triple headers were sometimes possible for some of the baseball dedicated kids I played with.
The reason I love baseball is the youngest, least coordinated, most gangly member of any team could be the hero on any given day. The fat kid could also be the hero. And everybody got to wear goat horns too. I moved so often as a kid that my ability to play ball was my in. I was often the youngest in my age group.
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nicee
love Sandlot as well
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Dude has good taste in movies....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo,Tulo, Hawpe, CarGo, and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Back from summer vacation this morning....
I’m a little unhappy we didn’t flip Flores for something to give Reynolds his time, and Nelson still needs to be freed.
Also, on another note, I don’t care how many win streaks we have at home, I won’t be happy with this team until we can perform .475-.500 on the road. I know how much of a advantage and a disadvantage playing your home games at Coors can be, but you will never go far in baseball unless you adjust.
I want to see Nelson and..
Either Cole Garner or Matt Miller called up. The offense could use some help from internal candidates.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2010 11:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
What upgrades could we possibly seek on the waiver wire in August?
Jeff Baker and Blake DeWitt in the starting lineup today
Aramis Ramirez gets a day off, and Soto moves from 7th to 4th in the lineup
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:51 AM MDT reply actions
hopefully Baker doesn't kill us today
and hopefully the Cubbies just lay down an die today as well…play hard against the Giants next week lol
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 1, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Carlos Gonzalez is the third Venezuelan to hit for the cycle.
The first name of all three starts with “C”
He’s the fifth player to hit a walkoff HR and hit for the cycle in the same game, the fourth to complete the cycle with a walkoff home run. George Brett hit a walkoff HR on a cycle, but he had already hit a home run earlier in the game.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions
And we all know he's the 6th Rockie
Among the other 5, one’s on the field with him, and one’s on his way back.
That’s kind of awesome, when you think about it.
The Padres have to beat Josh Johnson to avoid getting swept at home today
Good luck with that
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 11:32 AM MDT reply actions
Good new for once from SanD!
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by BittenAnkles on Aug 1, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh so now you're writing about the Padres?
J/k RG, thanks for everything you do!
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by Charlie77 on Aug 1, 2010 11:33 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Why did I read that kiszla article?
My brain hurts now. It seems he just decided that the last two games have been too much fun so he better sh** all over the rockies, thier fans and the city of Denver. What a prick.
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by jcd823 on Aug 1, 2010 11:42 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Ryan Howard
just left the game with an injured ankle…don’t know how bad it is yet
Get better Tulo....time to rally around each other and hang in there until our Mr. everything returns
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
"the calm from the front office is actually reassuring..." Yeah right.
Give me a break. A few days ago, they were scrambling their brains deciding if they were “buyer” or “seller”.
I know the band of humidoros are doing their things at Coors, with their offense numbers “elevated.” A number of them are straddling the Mendoza Line on the road and home runs won’t come as easy. That’s why Olivo wasn’t an All Star, he’s Humidoro Suprimo: .400 bat avg at home, .200 away. People notice this.
Babe Ruth hit a home run every 11.8 at bats, Gonzalez is close to that at Coors, I wonder why. LOL. No other 20+ home run hitters are aided so much by their home parks. Look it up.
So what your saying
is that the Rockies pitching staff’s OPS at home being better than league average means that this team has exceptional pitching.
Right?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes. Tough to be a pitcher at Coors. Caps off to them.
But I was talking about hitting. Any things to add?
There are comments bitching about the road trips, and now according to the blogger the Rockies is the only western division team that’s “No Panic”?
Just pointing out the obvious.
It really is possible to think the road trip sucked but think things aren't so bad in the longer view
You should try it sometime.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
But
Teams are making moves for the playoff run aka short term.
If you think the glass is full, I respect your view. Why the veiled attack?
Because there weren't really any moves out there that made sense
The FO seems to be taking a longer view. The Dodgers’ window slams pretty tightly shut after this year. The Rockies’ doesn’t. Why potentially piss away several seasons of success for a questionable quick fix? That’s what I meant by “long term”. You can’t screw with your future to win now at all costs if that future is otherwise bright (which the Dodgers’ isn’t). I have no explanation for the Giants, other than Sabean is as weapons-grade stupid as the rest of that organization.
And wny the “veiled attack”? Because since you joined PR less than a week ago, you’ve been a borderline troll. That’s why.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't make the short term deals smart
At the deadline, we were 8GB in the division and 5.5 GB in the wild card. With Helton, Buchholz, Street, de la Rosa and Tulowitzki returning after missing significant time, there’s quite a bit of instrinsic value added. Mortgaging the future from our position for a short term shot would just be poor management. That’s how the Mets and Cubs happen.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Amen
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't advocate mortgaging the future...
Just some resonable filling of the holes we have
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I just don't think any of the filling could be done reasonably
Granted, our definitions of that may be very different than the FO’s.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Shouldn't you be organising a baby shower for Manny, aus?
(or some other lame attempt at teh funny trolling. “Humidoros”! Oh my sides!) A joke’s MUCH funnier when you repeat it, well done)
Huh?
Oh, wait…directed at aus, not me. I have readfail.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you for pointing out that
hitters tend to excel at Coors and struggle on the road. For those of us who have been watching for 17 years, there is no better example of the obvious.
But as ATF asked, what the heck does it have to do with the trade deadline? Considering it has happened to virtually everybody who has donned a Rockies uniform since 1993, are you actually proposing that they trade for people who are suddenly going to change that fact?
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Teams play better at home, sometimes markedly so?
The hell you say???
Heh.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I know, right?
See what you can learn just by being in my virtual presence??
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I bow before your awesomeness
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Does this mean we platoon players by road and home splits?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I wouldn't mind that for Olivo one bit
But CarGo needs to learn how to hit away from Coors if he is to become the star we need him to be in the future
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
So bench on the road for a few games to drive home the point.
I also think the Rox should build a pressurized batting facility that simulates sea level to practice in against live pitching.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I've certainly thought about that as well
I’m not sure there would be enough time between a homestand and road trip to provide a big enough improvement. They do take batting practice on the road, and it doesn’t seem to help a whole lot.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
And if they did it on a prolonged basis during a homestand
I think the only effect would probably be to screw them up at home…
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Besides, Jon Miller would just find a way to construe it as cheating...
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
Now they’re busting out non-humidor PLAYERS! The nerve of some clubs!
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
What we really need is a team of look-alikes
or maybe clones. Yeah, clones. That we can just keep at sea level practicing against sea level pitching. Then when we go on the road we take them instead of the “real” players.
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's start with 4 more Ubaldo clones and go from there
Baby steps…
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm thinking somebody might notice if we had 5 Ubaldo's
The key to this plan is subtlety
Bazinga!
by Junction Rox on Aug 1, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Ooh, yeah...hadn't thought of that
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
THAT THERE'S BOOK LEARNIN'
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Again, what does home/road splits have to do with the deadline?
Would you prefer we trade two top ten prospects for a reliever with a 4.28 ERA? You’re not suggesting a plan or converse argument.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
There really wasn't much out there worth trading for. I'm not sure what the Giants and Dodgers are hoping to accomplish
But like the media here. Some folks just want you to do something, and don’t realize what they have given up until 3 years from now when that prospect is killing us and we have nothing to show. Like someone said earlier that’s how the Mets happen.
Doing something is ALWAYS better than doing nothing, don't ya know?
This is how most governments operate, after all. :)
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually I don't recall RoxGirl ever saying they must hurry and make a move?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong…
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You're not wrong
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay..
So then ass2008, you really don’t know what you are talking about at all…or to be magnimous you doth attack the wrong blogger.
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"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Nice...and I thought I had sharpened my claws. :)
HELLO, kitty. :)
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
What? I thought I was being nice
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"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I wasn't complaining
I liked it. Some people need a little fight.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Ubaldo should still win the CY....
Based on your logic, even though Ubaldo has slipped to 2.67 and 7th in ERA, those numbers represent pure dominance when Coors Field is taken into account. Correct?
So do you think Ubaldo should be frontrunner for Cy Young award, as your logic would dictate?
What the heck does Coors Field being an offensive park
have anything to do with the FO’s strategy at the trade deadline?!?!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
What the hell is a humidoro?
And what is your team?
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"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!"
Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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It's a contradiction in terms is what it is
The humidor would help, you know, contradict the argument. Oh well.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
...and as for team, I'm thinking Giants
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 1, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Good guess
Traced to the San Fran metro area
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 1, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Standing pat makes the Rockies still feel like an unbalanced team...
I think we could have done some modest buying and selling and not change the prospect this year a whit. I think the Rox are still in the race. The prospect of a 2007 type streak is unlikely. If they can win every series left and come close to running the table in the west then the dream is still alive. That’s a big if. The Dodgers as always will be the stumbling block. Past that hurdle the Rox have a fair chance. Stumble there and your fate is not in your own hands.
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Carlos reminds me
of another Venezuelan who played for the Rockies: Andres Galarraga. Both of them can hit for a pretty high average and both of had/have tremendous power. Both players fielded their positions extremely well. On a down not both of them also tend to strike out a bit more than they walk.
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JFK
Anybody else read that ESPN the Mag article about the McCourts' divorce?
Wow. Makes you understand their moves and how rough the road ahead will be for Dodgers fans. They did the Lilly deal as he’s arb-eligible and all the Dodgers will do is not offer him arbitration (because they won’t spend the money on two high draft picks.) Frank McCourt plans to double ticket prices AND slash payroll. Coletti seems to be working on his resume and sort of passively-aggressively making the team (and McCourt) look bad. Kind of a “Oh-I’m-rowing-hard-but-this-ship-is-sinking” strategy. See the Zach Lee pick.
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Yeah that was quite an article. I’m sure all of those people in the Dodgers FO figure they won’t have jobs next year anyway, so might as well shed some light on the subject. It was certainly interesting. Jamie McCourt sounds like a crazy *, and Frank sounds like an ego-maniacal, selfish control freak.
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McCourts
can’t wait for the team to be sold.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Aug 1, 2010 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Dodgers are in for a lot more pain before that ever happens.
The whole shebang will be torn apart first. Maybe we can loot Billingsley in the fire…
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A lot of that Dodgers' young core is up for big arbitration raises too
They will probably have to trade at least one of Billz, Loney, Kemp, Ethier or Martin
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 2, 2010 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Kemp and Ethier
are signed thru 2011…..Billz and Loney will probably get signed this offseason. Martin-buh bye.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Aug 2, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Kiszla's piece has merit
I’ve been impressed by his writing recently. I don’t like his obviously contrived use of the Tracy and Gonzalez quotes in his column, but I don’t necessarily disagree with what he wrote.
All the same, it didn’t seem like much of any worth was available on the market. Is Ted Lilly better than Jhoulys Chacin? No. Is Ryan Theriot better than Barmes or Mora? No. The Nationals wanted more for Adam Dunn than anyone was willing to give up, and he’ll be available this winter.
Long story short, I don’t see that the Rockies could have appreciably improved the team at the deadline, so don’t send away players that could help for the same or potentially worse players. Much as I would love to see Adam Dunn in the lineup today, if it would have cost a Chacin, then it’s not worth it.
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come on now. Andrew Lambo, James McDonald, Kyle Smit, Brett Wallach, Lucas May and the other pitcher are never going to be solid big leaguers. They aren;t even solid prospects…..with the exception of Lambo…but he had his run in with drugs and the organization decided to trade him. I don;‘t think these are signs of panic. I was quite happy with what Ned accomplished yesterday. You decide to give the negative spin….fine….it was expected.
But, Ned pulled off solid deals for Lilly, Dotel and Podsednik WITHOUT giving up the LAD top prospects. Sure, he gave up Carlos Santana a few years ago….I blame McCourt for that.
I can’t wait for the team to be sold so the owner can start investing in the team rather than his personal items of interest.
Plus, should the LAD find themselves totally out of it come 8/31, they are well aware of the market for Manny.
LAD will have to sign 3 pitchers in the offseason, and they won;t be giving Martin any raise above what he is making now-$5 million. I am curious if they will deal Martin this offseason. I could see them dealing Broxton as well….would not surprise me, especially with how well Jansen has pitched this season. Ned has been quoted as saying he doesn’t like paying much for closers.
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I doubt they'd find a taker for Martin before the non-tender deadline
And I really doubt that the Dodgers tender him an offer given he’s already priced beyond comparable catchers. Broxton’s a much different story, and if the Dodgers do decide to trade him, the return should be pretty good.
I think the moves your team made yesterday should, in a vacuum, help them this year, but two months of those three players will not give you the seven extra wins over the Padres you guys are seeking and given that all three of those players are not expected to be with the team in 2011, I think I have to stand by my original assessment that the combined sum of these moves amount to a Hail Mary for this season and your team’s status for 2011 looks pretty mediocre at best without a forced sale and quick infusion of cash by a new owner.
It’s the same story with the prospects that were dealt. Individually, they don’t amount to much, but they almost all came from the AA level or above, which was the first big warning flag that your team’s FO isn’t sure about the next two seasons.
The second big flag was the amount of money your team absorbed in making these deals. There can’t be really any question that you could have kept more of your depth had you paid more of the contracts. This clearly says to me that the Dodgers are still unlikely to pursue elite FA’s this winter to replace the guys you have leaving. If that’s the case, it means you’re front office is planning on downgrading at least two of your vacant positions (Kuroda’s rotation slot and LF) and there’s little evidence that you’ll gain that ground back from internal improvements.
Btw, glad that a Dodgers fan has finally come to my side of the fence with regards to McDonald, I remember the conversations two years ago when I said he wasn’t really a contending team worthy starter and either you or another LA fan thought I was off my rocker. Also, while I’m gloating, my Ethier/Kemp/Manny<70 HR prediction is looking pretty safe now. You thought I was crazy on that one, but it’s looking like I should have said less than 60. ;-)
Yeah, Ned knows this is it before the real bloodletting comes.
There will be no quick sale to some deep-pocketed white knight. This will be a long, ugly battle with the Dodgers held for ransom in the middle.
Go Bruce!
kudos
to you on McDonald. I thought he would have followed a much better path in the big leagues.
Yes, I thought you were crazy on the <70 HRs…..but there is still 2 months left in the season….anything can happen. Kemp better turn it on or he could be shipped out. I think they are tiring of his lackadaisical play this season.
How can you say dealing prospects for improving the roster for this season amounts to a Hail Mary?
May/McDonald/Lambo were at AA or higher…the other 3 were at A level. May is a strikeout machine. Lambo has the talent, but not the mindset….and he isn’t hitting that great in AA this season….but he did miss 50 games due to suspension.
McDonald had his chances, but I don’t think he would have been in their plans for 2011 and beyond with Miller/Withrow, RDLR and Martin coming up in the next few years.
2011 will be a difficult year…. I agree, because I don’t see the ownership situation changing that quickly, unfortunately.
btw-I was right on Tulo and Helton. There was no way Tulo would repeat his 2009 season.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Aug 2, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions





















