Rockies make yet another pitcher look like Johan Santana, lose 4-0 to Mets.
by Rox Girl on Aug 12, 2010 12:39 PM MDT
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PrintThe good news? The Rockies young core provided their entire offense today off of the Mets Johan Santana. The bad news? The entirety of that offense amounted to just three singles (one each by Carlos Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki and Ian Stewart) and two walks (both by Dexter Fowler). Typically that won't cut it at as far as the "scoring runs" objective goes. Subsequently, and this is strange but true, this lack of run scoring will also result in failure in the "winning" objective.
Jason Hammel sandwiched five goose-egg innings in between the two runs he allowed in both the first and seventh innings. Overall he wasn't his most effective, and certainly not up to Santana's performance, but also not nearly the contributor to the L column that the Rockies offense was this afternoon.
I guess the other good thing about this loss was that at least they made it quick. No long drawn out agony here as the game finished in about two hours.
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Well, we just got whooped today
so be it. Wish we’d show a bit more fight, but that’s baseball.
Random query: do the Rockies road woes arise, in part, by virtue of having a team primarily consisting of system guys? I.e., our prospect guys have never played elsewhere (in the bigs) and thus are subject to an even greater Coors field effect? This is probably a non-starter given Olivo’s struggles and other examples, but it just jumped into my head today.
Basic reply is the Rox are developing Ryan Howards that don't play 1B.....
On my hobby horse again; we don’t make enough contact and we don’t manufacture runs. When some one throws us BP we rake.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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by Oldfoagie on Aug 12, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would rahter have a contact guy like Herrera instead of Barmes, especially for the price
I understand the defense argument, but he does seem to be more patient and put the ball in play.
Barmes puts the ball in play
He pops out every time!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
I love Spilly...
He approached his AB’s totally wrong today. Yes he hit the Rox hardest hit balls; but he did it when the teams needed runners more than Homers. I liked 2006-2008 Spilly better who would hit the ball the other way and hit liners out there in stead of just too short moonshots to left center. That is not a twohole performance Spilly.
Tracy; I understand LR matchups; but why do you start Mora who was 2- for 23 against Santana lifetime instead of Giambi who has seen Santana more often and has a lower K rate against.
As for Barmes’ mechanics with his swing; Dude, use a lighter bat,and kill the uppercut. you’ll stop swinging under so much. Right now you have Harold Renyolds disease and it WILL kill your career.
Dex good eye for the walks. Sharpen your bunting skills when you know your not going to get sharp hits and use your speed to get on.
Tulo and Stewart: You tried to make some swings that was against your nature to make some contact. Kudos for trying but you need more practice to get it right.
Miggy I know you are tired; Slow your swing a little and push the ball to right for a change and stretch those legs out some on the base paths. You might acidentally push some runs across the plate.
Groove; You have got to teach these guys to vary their swings appropriate to the pitch. This constant home run stroke BS is limiting this team too much. Homers are appropriate only part of the time. This is not how you played your career. Go watch some of your own video and remember how you did it. Then start knocking some heads together till the light either goes on in the closet or goes out for the count.
DOD you really need to evaluate your director of player developement. The Rox are not hitting for contact and do not know how to manufacture runs with out XBH’s. It’s become endemic and and it’s system wide. Base running is atrocious, hit and run and run and hit skills are absent. Bunting skills are crude and defense against such skills are lacking becuase we can’t execute them ourselves. I know you can’t go completely Branch Ricky on the whole org at once. A few examples being made of and a plan in place to improve those things is needed. Hire some strong disciplinareans and strart doing Emansky drills at Casper and keep it up all the way to the majors. Find your self some Dominican drill saergent who made his career in small ball to teach it and get a "Wade Boggs/ Tony Gywnn’ type hitting instructor roveing the lower levels. START FINING PLAYERS ON THE BIG LEAGUE CLUB FOR SWINGING AT THE FENCES WHEN BASE RUNNERS ARE NEEDED AND MAKE IT STICK.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
by Oldfoagie on Aug 12, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
START FINING PLAYERS ON THE BIG LEAGUE CLUB FOR SWINGING AT THE FENCES WHEN BASE RUNNERS ARE NEEDED AND MAKE IT STICK
Benching Tulo for this “infraction” is what got Clint Hurdle fired. I don’t expect they would take being fined so well. And I doubt you could ever enforce such a thing.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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IF DOD did it; only the union could complain...
The problem was Hurdle did it on his own and Hurdle was right about this. I think a more mature Tulo would understand it. He might not like it; but he would understand it. Lastings Millage doesn’t like a lot of things either and look where it got him. IF DOD has a problem with it then that is part of the problem.
This is where your veterans should be hammering people in the clubhouse Kangeroo court. It isn’t happening. I agree we with treating grown ups as grown ups. But bad baseball behavior has to have consequences just like the rest of life. Otherwise we would not have things like say ’traffic court"
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
And the union would be correct in complaining
And they would do so. And they would be right, and they would win. Clear violation of the collective bargaining agreement.
What the players do amongst themselves is a different issue.
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It's not against the collective bargining agreement...
The agreement sets the fines very low. That’s why we now have the restricted list instead.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Sure it is, the club cannot fine a player for making a mistake on the field
A mistake on the field =/= a personal conduct violation of team rules.
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There is a difference about making a mistake and violating team rules.
Is the team rule to pad your own stats and to hell with the consequences to the team?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Is that what you think these players are doing?
Padding their stats and not trying to win?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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No; but it appears that they don't know how to approach the game any other way.
There are some players who are about padding the paycheck and stats are used for arbs and incentives. It’s become the cultural norm. However it’s become a negative over time.
Instead of playing the game correctly: the fundemental arts are erodeing because they don’t pad the appropriate stats. It’s like the old saw about Dominicans not takeing walks because you can’t walk off the Island. (not true by the way)
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I dunno...If the season were over, I might lean towards what you are saying...
but at this point, I can’t imagine they would disregard coaching and game management. Isn’t strategy both hitting and defense on the field pretty much up to the manager?
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Tracy can only use the tools he has to work with...
I don’t agree with all of Tracy’s decisions. Or his line ups. He needs to have the ability to have his offense serve him better. If he has no way to get a player to better himself for the team and to buy in to strategic decisions during a game then that player should be demoted.
Tracy’s bigger problem is the team has not been properly taught before they got to this level and his hands are tied by it.
Baylor is stuck teaching the one trick they know and is not guideing them to other ends. It’s not just the hitting.
This is not just a discipline problem at the MLB level. Discipline is the only way I know to correct the problem at all short term. That is why you need both the carrot and the stick;
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
We don't play the situation
Some games you’re going to need 8 runs to win. Then you don’t manufacture runs. Some games (like every game this series) a few runs probably gets it done and you need a different approach. I felt like I was watching a home run derby a few times too many today. Save that stuff for at home.
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by RoarFrom112 on Aug 12, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We dont play the situation consistantly
Nothing this season has been consistent except inconsistency.
Excuse my cliche, and first and foremost reason is injuries, then obviously individual performance. So enough with the absurdly obvious…
What is the deal? mental development? Minor league teachers? bum luck season to balance out the great luck seasons of recent years?
The one thing you can say as a strength and weakness of the team is it’s team cohesion, or a clubhouse feel that keeps the baseball family tight (think about our opponents the Mets) and working as a team. Perhaps as a consequence then we all hit or don’t hit or kick balls or field great or miss pitches or make unbelievable pitches all at the same time.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater with this team is highly possible. So many of our guys are Jeykkl/Hydes you have the potential to horde players and see best case scenarios with many of our guys.
Oh baseball.. such a silly game so much failure in such a long season
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by El Paso Jeff on Aug 12, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Shouldn't that be a coaching thing?
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 12, 2010 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd say we're probably looking at a perfect storm of road worries team-wide.
Psychological problems and a lack of comfort, physical manifestations in pitching performance on both ends, and so forth.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I still say
Hard to hit well when you have no idea if you are going to play on a given day. Cargo and Tulo are about the only lineup certainties these days and it might help with their mental preparation.
Maybe
If guys other than Cargo and Tulo could hit consistently, they’d be in the lineup every day. Right now, no one else is forcing Tracy to put them in the lineup with their performance, so he’s playing matchups.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
I disagree our lineup has been fairly predictable since Todd came back
Dex leads off
Cargo third
Tulo fourth
Hawpe and spilly platoon
Stewart/Mora platoon
Barmes starts
Olivo and Iannetta platoon
Helton at first( with his normal day after night off day)
Next year you should see Spilly/Smith platoon
And Stewart most days
If you're platooning more than one position then thats an issue
(in my humble opinion) I want a more consistent line up next year, no more platooning
Yes times a zillion trillion
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If you want a team with good depth, you're going to get platoons somewhere
Guys need at-bats to stay sharp.
Catcher is just about an automatic platoon these days. 1st base is going to be a platoon for a few years with Helton’s situation. We have 5 starting-quality outfielders (probably only 4 next year so that’s a bit better). Giambi is really the only “bench / PH” guy on the team. How do you avoid the platoons on an NL roster and still develop quality players who can step in in case of injury?
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Well I wouldn'r platoon Stewart.
Olivo is our starting catcher so That may or not be considered a platoon.
Dex
Herrera
Cargo
Tulo
Smith/Spilly
Helton
Stewart
Olivo
Would be my lineup. And if you want Nelson flip him and Helton
Well, fact is that it IS an issue
the red flag is up, but it’s what we need to squeeze a few more wins out, so be it.
by Andrew Martin on Aug 12, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
IAWTC
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Now that's just silly
The next Rockies team to lose 100 games will be the first.
In fact, only three times in the club’s history have they even lost more than 90 games, and one of those years was their expansion season.
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If that lineup doesn'y hit I would quit following baseball
I’m not saying it wins 100 games but it is solid top to bottom. Obviously Helton is the biggest question mark. You get good pitching and this team wins 90.
I obviously don't have every split in front of me.
But there is a cionsistant lineup available. Jim just may not choose to use it.
Yet another loss in NYC
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
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Adult Simba: Ow! Jeez, what was that for?
Rafiki: It doesn’t matter. It’s in the past. (laughs)
Adult Simba: Yeah, but it still hurts.
Rafiki: Oh yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it, or …
Rafiki again swings his stick at Simba, who ducks out of the way
Rafiki: … learn from it.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
makes another pitcher look like Johan Santana
That is clever
Its hurts because its so very very true
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I'm not too sad because it was Johan Santana
I’m not sure what to think going forward. But I think I’m just going to enjoy watching my team play their hearts out. As long as they haven’t checked out, I’m not going to either.
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by SDcat09 on Aug 12, 2010 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This is where I am, too.
I’ve also got Fleetwood Mac karaoke stuck in my head. (“Don’t… stop…. thinking about tomorrow.”)
Realism says that the Rockies need to win lots of games in a row to get to the post-season. Doesn’t mean they won’t be fun to watch, even if they don’t get there.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Getting beaten by one of the best is exactly why you can’t afford similar performances against the Mike Pelfreys of the world.
God, Santana’s great. We kind of lose sight of this because there are so many great pitchers in the game now, and the young crop of aces gets all the pub, and he’s been injured and plays on a bad Mets team… but I’d still take Santana as one of the best in the game without question. And he’s going to age gracefully in that ballpark, where his greatest weakness in his career (the long ball) will be mitigated. If he gets to 200 wins I think he’s a Hall candidate.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
If he gets to 200 wins
I think he’s a surefire Hall of Famer. In today’s game, 200 wins makes a guy a pretty strong candidate for the HoF, and when a player exhibited Santana’s 2004-06 level of dominance for a while, it gets a lot stronger.
well, papelbon just blew a save in Toronto
so that makes me feel just the tiniest bit better.
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
and the blue jays win
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
I was watching this as well...
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Home/road splits
Is there a good source for team home/road splits offensively?
I can’t find those stats on either the Rockies website or Baseball-Reference.com,
though maybe I’m not looking in the right place.
I’d like to know home/road batting avg, OBP, & slugging % .
Just thinking about the game-by-game results in the last 2 road trips,
there sure seem to be a lot of games where the Rockies are getting
2 runs or less and not many hits.
Mediocrity sucks
You're not looking in the right place :p
Here are the splits for the 2010 Rockies. Scroll down to Home/Away
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Home .301/.373/.492
Away .234/.308/.368
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Not counting today's game
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
so sad
hard to look at those numbers and think there’s any excuse for this team making the playoffs. Everyone is better at home, for sure. But good teams are also good on the road, and this one is not.
After the dramatic home/road splits disappeared in 2007 and 2009
I really was convinced that all it took was a good team and a humidor to beat the Coors Effect. I started to think I was wrong, as the humidor is still there. Now I think I was probably right after all.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 12, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's another interesting stat line from B-R Splits:
In wins: .305/.377/.504
In losses: .223/.297/.342
There’s almost no middle ground with the team.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
so...when we win.
we win.
When we lose.
we lose.
Right?
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Well, that's what I thought, until I realized both the Yankees and Braves have similar lines.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I was going to say, that particular split isn't TOO surprising
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 12, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Except it does kinda put it on the hitting
it’s not like we’re hitting consistently and when we get good pitching we win, but when we get bad we lose. Somewhat interesting from that angle.
Probably have to look at the pitching splits to be fair though.
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It seems lines like this are actually not that uncommon, even for successful teams.
So it’s really not all that important. It’s still an interesting observation.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
After further exploration on B-R, I found those
Those numbers are ugly. Add in OPS difference: .865 Home/ .676 Road.
Conclusion I’ve reached: this team won’t challenge for a division title until
it can hit better on the road.
I haven’t gone player-by-player to see who’s most responsible for the woeful
road batting numbers, but those are the players who need to be seriously
reviewed as to whether to be brought back next year.
Mediocrity sucks
CarGo
he is awful on the road.
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That's scary, because Gonzalez has the third best OPS of any starting position player on the road.
If he’s awful, I wonder what that makes everyone else.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Relatively awful
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 12, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
well
home: 1.144
away: .772
that is a huge split.
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Take a look at the splits on Olivo and Smith
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
wow.
cargo has an OPS of .368 at ATT park this year…
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hooray!
what’s OPS?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
read all about it
I learned so much reading that.
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u had me at the picture. old school POA.
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by El Paso Jeff on Aug 12, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
rawr
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she has an ample bosom.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
what qualfies as ample?
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Watts?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
This was kinda the genesis
of my thought above re homegrown players, as in “Can we fix this by bringing in some vets?” Also one of the reasons I was big on Uggla, who shows pretty strong H/R splits overall. But no doubt, we need some guys that will hit on the road with some consistency. I obviously don’t think dumping CarGo is the way to go, but building around CarGo/Tulo requires consideration of these things.
and by "vets" above
I really mean just players from outside the org.
What makes you think
someone coming from outside will be able to handle stuff outside of Coors any better?
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That's my whole point
I don’t know if it would help. The question is, “how do we fix this problem?” One thought I had is peppering in some guys who aren’t career-long “Coors Effect” players. I.e., guys with a demonstrated track record of hitting on the road. I have no idea if it would be a good/feasable solution. But I do believe that we are unlikely to be a WS threat with the type of road offense we’ve had this year.
This team isn't completely home grown
Not all from the Rox organization, and certainly haven’t spent most of their pro careers at Coors or the Springs.
CarGo has spent the vast majority of his pro career outside Colorado. He’s only had a little over 1 full season, combined, in Colorado. Olivo has been in Colorado half a season. And I don’t see the home/road splits for those two indicating that getting somebody from outside the system is the answer to the problem.
It’s happened to one extent or another for 17 years now. I think we can conclude it goes beyond personnel…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree.
We have Tulo, Stewart, and Spilborghs (all home grown) leading road OPS, with Giambi and Olivo as two of the worst, who have spent very little time with the organizational coaching staff comparatively. The results seem pretty spread out.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
How could I forget the Giambino?
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair points, all
Though Olivo is probably hitting close to his career road OPS and his great season is more a factor of getting ot play at Coors than anything else.
Cargo may not be a product of the system, but his massive success has really only manifest in Coors. His road OPS isn’t awful but it would almost have to be in comparison to his silly home split.
Who knows, just a thought.
I agree.
We have Tulo, Stewart, and Spilborghs (all home grown) leading road OPS, with Giambi and Olivo as two of the worst, who have spent very little time with the organizational coaching staff comparatively. The results seem pretty spread out.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Road OPS by position players this season
Tulowitzki: .891
Stewart: .854
Spilborghs: .806
Mora: .748
Gonzalez: .722
Helton: .711
Smith: .666
Barmes: .650
Iannetta: .637
Giambi: .626
Olivo: .592
Hawpe: .565
Fowler: .554
Helton and Stewart are the only players that have done noticeably better on the road than at home.
Tulowitzki, Spilborghs and Mora perform about the same everywhere.
For everyone else, it’s like night and day.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I think part of the problem is with the Obsession with OPS....
We have players in a cookiecutter mold for OPS and not enough people concentrateing on OBA. we don’t have an appropriate mix. This team is too dependent on XBH’s
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
this is why most of us have switched over to wOBA
but OPS is easier to calculate
by Andrew Martin on Aug 12, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
wOBA is much more fun to say though.
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they fought valiently on that Endorian moon
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at the BBQ game
RMN said “well he’s got a high B-A-B-I-P”
apparently saying wOBA and xFIP is fine, but he draws the line at saying BABIP
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Nobody puts BABIP in a corner
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i brought this
wOBAmelon
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Is it ample?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
they are nice
luscious melons.
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wOBA has some of the same flaws though
There’s value in looking at players on base and slugging differently. You have your on-base guys and your sluggers. OPS and wOBA both muddle them together. I like the old BA/OBP/SLG lines better than either OPS or wOBA myself.
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you need both to really construct a lineup
but in the case of “who are my best players” I look at the top wOBA players.
If I have too many Barmes types (all SLG, no OBP) I might sub some guys in and out if the proper lineup slot allows it.
by Andrew Martin on Aug 12, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Go Rockies
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
and don't ya come back
no mo no mo no mo no mo
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(until you) Hit on the Road Jack
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by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I love ray charles.
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I was referencing "Hook" but whatever floats your boat
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oh...
Damn – one of my favorite movies – can’t believe I missed that…damn.
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even if Williams
used the same theme for the Harry Potter movies…
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did you know that the kid who played jack
is marilyon manson?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
too bad it's a lie.
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he also played Henry Rowengarder in Rookie of the Year
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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Rookie of the Year
That kid could probably pitch for the cubs today.
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Tom Nicholas?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't doubt at all that Marilyn Manson has banged Tara Reid
I just don’t think it happened in American Pie.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
thomas ian nichols.
and not charlie korsmo, who was jack in hook.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
and also the kid in Dick Tracy
with Warren Beatty and Madonna…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Put the tech in technicolor
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he also played Henry Rowengarder in Rookie of the Year
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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TETRIS
but it’s been messed up.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Spielberg had some interesting stories to tell about Hook.
It was a musical until half way through production.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
one more muzia and you have a tetris.
i don’t want to mess it up.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:17 PM MDT reply actions
except that you're wrong
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001432/
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
But he Henry Rowengarder in Rookie of the Year
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dude from american pie
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Stifler played guitar for Marilyn Manson?
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Tom Nicholas.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
he also played Henry Rowengarder in Rookie of the Year
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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The good news
We don’t have any more east coast games this year. No more 10 AM games or 5 PM night games!
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I like the 5 PM niught games
I can do my evening jogs while still light out, though that wouldn’t last long anyway
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 12, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, they're way better than the 8pm games!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
We all need a laugh today
sort of NSFW only if heard out of context…
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at me?
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no just because I am a happy person in general
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My laugh of the day was K-Rod being imprisoned at CitiField
fact IS stranger than fiction
Bleed purple
gotta Love a good corn nut
stay classy
The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!
by El Paso Jeff on Aug 12, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Well...that appears to have been underwhelming
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM MDT reply actions
part of what made it underwhelming...
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
the rockies seemed
overwhelmed by Santana.
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It would seem so
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
It was...gives me more time, now that I'm home from work, to scurry to finish straightening up the house before everyone else gets home
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
don't forget the popcorn!
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Actually...
I never really touched any actual popcorn. I was just making smartass comments (quelle surprise). I honestly have absolutely no idea whether we have any popcorn in the house or not. Casbah’s the big popcorn fan. I rarely touch the stuff, as I’m not generally the biggest fan of popcorn (though I don’t hate it).
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
i feel dirty.
You mean you made up a comment on PR….
/takes shower
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Not made up, as such
More like “took dramatic license”
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
oh ok
I’m perfectly fine with that.
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I'm going to need to see your license and registration
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Um...I seem to have forgotten my wallet
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps you left it with your pants?
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
AW CRAP!
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
So sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to write you up
for Dramatizing Without a License as well as for Commenting without Pants.
As long as you don’t have any prior DWLs or CWPs on your records, I would expect that the judge would probably let you off with a little community service, possibly a small fine…
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, thank goodness
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
You do have a clean prior record, don't you?
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I do
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Good for you
Now, PLEASE go find your pants.
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Done
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
This
is one the most entertaining and well played little threads I’ve ever read on the Row. Nicely done, both of you!
Get your purple on.
Thank you...
At least personally, I aim to please…
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
RtC (or whoever cleans the bathrooms at your house)
says “Thank You”
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
Notorious Hat Liar
"Cheap tacos are rightous!"-My Daughter
if you are at the bottom of your 5th...
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Its 5 o clock somewhere
I’m in the same boat. last week of vacation….F’ it….Poppin tops
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by El Paso Jeff on Aug 12, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Worst part about the game
I have that Mickey song stuck in my head….
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As in
“Oh Mickey you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow my mind, HEY MICKEY!”?
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Mickey!
Bust a nut, bust a nut….
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/hot dog dance
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I got the cure for it
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
nice.
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/And its a shame...
/whoa its a shayayayame
Ahem! Anyways…after spending an afternoon doin nothin, I’ve come to the conclusion: I need a life.
Oh, yeah, and not looking forward to making boston cream pie….ugh!
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
i'm eating a pickle.
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ok,
I had Chinese food for lunch. Then I have to. Make a salad. The good news is I don’t have to make Boston Cream pie til October.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Why the pie?
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stupid
bet with a redsux fan…oh, and sorry, I meant cake, but whatever.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
never bet with a sux fan.
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hehe, yeah
I started it with a posting of the “red sox SUCK!” Pic on his wall, though….
I think I’ve learned my lesson.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 4:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a friend who is a Yankees fan...
I do the same to her every year for spring training.
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I have a Yankees fan friend, too, but I’ve never bet with him…prob cause he’s half Rockies fan or something, but yeah, we’re cool. I wouldnt post a yanks suck pic on his wall….yet.
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 4:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sully loves him some Boston cream
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
like every other mick in boston.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Kind of a joke name for a generic Bostonian, since there are so many Irish there...
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
that's the city where Boondock Saints is set
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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he also played Henry Rowengarder in Rookie of the Year
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EFFEN VIGILANTE JUSTICE
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
made my day.
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?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
scored in 2 innings
in a 3 game series….pathetic…i kind of wish we would just completely fall out of the race…either that or get on a hot streak and get in this thing….i hate this teetering feeling win one lose one win one lose one….stayin on the edge of the race
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
Wow.
Hebrew National doesn’t show up on a google search for “hot dog” until page 2…
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What's the big fuss about Hebrew National?
I have a jewish friend who tells me they aren’t even really kosher.
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They are Kosher.
And they are really good Hot Dogs. Much better than Nathans…only one hot dog is better IMO.
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Apparently it's a form of Kosher, but not good enough for more strict Jews
my friend is orthodox, and he and his wife wont eat Hebrew National, though they will eat hot dogs from what the Glatt kosher meat stands they have at stadiums in the DC area. There was also such a stand at the Pepsi Center which he went to when he was in town and we went to an Avs game.
I don’t remember all the details (he’s explained the intracacies of kosherness to me before and it hurts my head), but I’ll ask him about it .
I like Hebrew National just fine and kosherness doesn’t matter a bit to me, but I don’t think they’re that much better than other hot dogs.
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that is odd that he says they aren't kosher
The City of New York has very stringent kosher laws and no product is allowed to say they are kosher if they arent.
They talk a lot about it in their branding – and on their website:
http://www.hebrewnational.com/kosher-difference.jsp
It would be interesting to hear what your friend would say about that…
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Just messaged him about it.
Here’s his response:
“depending on who’s asked, it’s either not kosher because the certifying rabbi wasn’t trusted, or it’s not kosher enough because there are degrees of standards for meat and HN was a lower category than most orthodox accept”
I know from other conversations with him that there are different Rabbinical agencies that certify things Kosher and each uses their own trademark. Circle-U is the one you see the most on packaged goods and they’re highly trusted. Triangle-K is less trusted. There are many other less common ones as well.
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FYI
Hebrew National meat is not glatt kosher and its certifiers do not represent it as such. Accordingly, its meat is unacceptable to the majority of Orthodox Jews.
Trivia: Burnt Weeny Sandwich is an album by Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, released in 1970 .The album was was named after a snack that Zappa enjoyed eating, consisting of a burnt Hebrew National sausage between two pieces of bread, with mustard.
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ITS AN OUTRAGE
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 4:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
In related news, I just learned that there is a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council.
/boggle
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of course there is.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
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But the top entry is your facebook page?
Wha’appen?
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I put a lot of footlongs in my mouth...
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
wOBA wOBA
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
that’s a nice pair.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
how did you post this
at the exact same time he did?
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
time stamp doesn’t show seconds?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
you are just
Omnipotent…
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
Nice to see Dibble's just as much of an ass as he was in his playing days
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Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)
by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I know when I go to Coors
me and the ladies around me always talk about how cheap the tampons are in the bathroom.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
i guess i just figured they'd be expensive too.
aramark marks up everything.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
They don't mark up the "lightly used" versions as much
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
I just threw up in my mouth a little
Paleface Destro, RISPy assassin: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)
by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Only a little?
You must not have watched our offense today.
Jenn even deleted the DVR for me….she watched in fast forwarded and didn’t want me to ruin my evening.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
you married a good one right there Mondo
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
Denver.SBNation.com
that is a good wife there.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
No, I didn't watch...I was at work
Paleface Destro, RISPy assassin: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)
by Paleface Destro on Aug 12, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
all up in da mall
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats just wrong.
Bah! Stupid wimmen.
Pip: changing assumptions and preconceived notions and stereotypes of women at the ballpark everywhere!
Or am I just a weirdo?
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 12, 2010 5:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There are two women who go to "Guys Night Out" with us fairly often
They also follow the Rockies, keep scorebooks, bring radios to the game, and generally know baseball better than most of the guys in the section. I call them “honorary guys” on those nights. :-)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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Please be joking.....
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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You realize that's not actually a compliment and just plain ole condescending
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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They don't see it that way, nor do I
I gave the free “Coors Guys Night Out” hat to one of them this year since she’s bought so many tickets and she loves it.
What’s condescending is the article that started this thread.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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to each their own
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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How do we know that weren't discussing baseball the entire time?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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because wimmen be shoppin.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 12, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Dibble is an ass and a toad...and not worth wast........
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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This is very NSFW, but soooooooo damn funny
Yer gonna need about eight minutes for it.
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
So I just turned on the Padres and Pirates...
OMG there is far too much yellow and MY EYES MY EYES!!!
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I am so sick of watching the Rockies get dominated by opposing starters on the road
I know today we were facing Santana so I can’t really complain too much there but being completely shut down three times on a seven game road trip by two sub .500 teams is atrocious. Our starters pitched well enough to potentially sweep the Met series and instead we don’t even take 2 out of 3. It’s just sad
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 4:53 PM MDT reply actions
Cubs load the bases for Andres Torres 1 out bottom of the 9th...yippee...
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Thanks for nothing Cubs
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Shouldn't that be a double since it hopped over the wall?
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I was wondering that myself...
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Nice route Marlon Byrd took making no play on that one...
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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It would have been a sac fly anyway
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I expected nothing different
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Giants win
They are becoming a distant object on the horizen line
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:02 PM MDT reply actions
Not quite
The Rockies have dug themselves out of bigger holes than this twice in the last three years to make the postseason. It’s not over yet, it just looks very bleak
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Fortunately it turns out bleak is actually a really good color on this team at times..
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 12, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we have to go 32-16 in our last 48 games to make it
I’m hoping for something like a 19-7 record in our last 26 home games and a 13-9 in our last 22 road games.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean just to win the WC?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I think so
See if the Rockies do this they are going to pull both San Diego’s and San Fran’s record down so it’s reall complicated.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
And for those of you who the that 19-7 at home is going to be tough
the Rockies are 20-7 in their last 27 home games. If they just keep playing the way they have been at home and pick it up a little on the road they have a great shot to get in still.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I can see that
I just don’t like to wave the white flag until I’m certian because so many crazy things happen in baseball.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 12, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Go Dodgers or Go Phillies?
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