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Sunday Rockpile: pithy subtitle about angst and mediocrity here, draft signing deadline tomorrow

There are changes afoot for the Rockies in 2011, according to Troy Renck and others. Renck argues that the Rockies need more muscle, particularly away from Coors Field to give the pitchers run support. I agree with the goal, just not the process. The Rockies 52 road HR's rank 9th in the National League, which is below average and could see some improvement, but it's not nearly as damaging as their last place (tied with the Pirates) .232 road batting average and the .306 OBP that goes along with it. If the Rockies ramp up the amount of players that get on base, they'll hit more road HR's simply by the fact that they'll be giving their hitters more plate appearances to hit those HR's in.

I guess my main worry about focusing solely on acquiring power threats in the offseason is that you risk turning the team into the Diamondbacks, and the Rockies are already hacktastically close to that standard as is. I hate to give them credit, but the makeover Colorado should look at would be the one the Giants were able to pull off, adding four players with OBP's over .370 in the last year: Aubrey Huff, Pat Burrell, Andres Torres and Buster Posey

Of course, to give Renck a point, Burrell's also a prototypical slugger and Huff's a borderline case if not in that category himself. Meanwhile, power has certainly been a huge part of Torres' game this season (I think Andrew Fisher was going to write something about him with this Fangraphs article, or maybe just cite that UZR's screwing over how they're viewing CarGo). In the end, after I've done circles, I realize Renck and I are probably on the same page on what's needed for 2011, I just don't know if I trust the simple "look for power" motto as a way for getting there.

As for who to excise, I think the Rockies don't improve at second by replacing Clint Barmes with Jonathan Herrera. If they're planning on treading water offensively there, then Renck's suggestion of getting rid of Todd Helton becomes a necessity. Rather, it might be easier on the franchise's fanbase if they looked seriously for an offensive upgrade at second and used their budget consciousness in the outfield, where the team already has young, affordable quality options.

On Thursday I mentioned that I thought that the Rockies were in decent shape heading into 2011 compared to their divisional competition. The main explanation I gave in the comments for this was that the teams currently in front of the Rockies, namely the Giants and Padres, are experiencing more good luck than bad, as compared to Colorado, which is experiencing the opposite. Having said that, I think the Giants as presently constituted are a substantial threat, albeit an aging one, and the Padres are a decent team. With intelligent fixes on our front, it should be a three team race next season, it's unfortunate that it wasn't this year.

Star-divide

"We have the best group of Latin players we've had in some time," Gustafson said. "We're in contention for the playoffs at Casper, and it has been a while since we could say that."

Rafael Ortega hasn't been noticed enough here at Purple Row, and I hope Rockies fans are paying attention to this group of Latin players at Casper. It's probably hard to tell given their Pioneer League inflated stats, but the pitchers might be as exciting for the team's future as Ortega and Christhian Adames. Anyway, Ortega's likely going to be in my top ten PuRPs.

Actually, for those wondering, here is my current top ten prospect list, before it likely adds two players at tomorrow's signing deadline:

  1. Tyler Matzek
  2. Christian Friedrich
  3. Wilin Rosario
  4. Hector Gomez
  5. Nolan Arenado (he's really slumped in the second half of the season, but I'm still a believer in the bat)
  6. Juan Nicasio
  7. Rafael Ortega
  8. Michael McKenry
  9. Chad Bettis
  10. Charlie Blackmon

Kyle Parker would bump Ortega to eighth, and Peter Tago would bump Bettis out of the tenth spot if both sign.

Eric Young Jr. was recalled to take roster spot until a starter is needed Tuesday, when Jhoulys Chacin likely will take the open spot in the rotation.

 

Now that Woody's said it, we know it must be true.

 

Just in case you wanted to reminisce on yesterday's disaster.

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I have certainly mentioned Ortega several times in Pebble Reports

though never to the point of suggesting he is a top 10 PuRP. That’s partly because his truly big steps have been recent and in part because I honestly don’t know how much to weigh Rookie Level performance from a Latin prospect.

As for Torres, I’ll touch on that tomorrow

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 8:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Not getting suggested as a top 10 is probably why I thought he wasn't getting talked about enough

It is a bit tricky to evaluate prospects coming from the Dominican academy to Casper as they definitely seem to have a different maturation process as players drafted out of HS, who in turn are different from collegiate draftees.

Ortega’s transitioned extremely well. I usually expect a drop-off in the first Casper season from their prior DSL numbers ala Wilin Rosario and Angelys Nina, while Ortega’s actually improved, and that’s the first point of encouragement. The second is that he’s showing more than typical power for a teenager with the Ghosts, with power the single question mark he had offensively prior to this season as even in the DSL he showed one of the best hit to contact bats in the system and a very mature understanding of the strike zone to go with it. Add that to his young age, his left handedness at the plate, his natural cf range, his speed and solid glove and you should be able to see why he’d be a top 10 worthy prospect.

Put it all together and Ortega’s potentially another Carlos Gonzalez in value given that his much better walk/OBP ability will make up for the lesser power. With that, the only reason not to rank him in the top five would be that he’s still five levels away from the MLB and thus a pretty big risk of not reaching that potential, but the ceiling that’s emerging for him definitely warrants a strong showing on the team’s top prospects list.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the commentary

I definitely liked him a lot when I saw him, and he was a great deal more advanced than the other Latin players on the team. I can see the potential, though it seems I weigh distance from the MLB level and risk factor greater than most.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Do you not like Chris Nelson or don't expect him to qualify?

I plan on having him in the top 5. I don’t want to go into great detail ( because it will spoil a future post) but Nelson’s year coupled with his pedigree essentially gives him a better than even chance to be a decent major league player, making his odds better than both Ortega and Gomez in that regard.

I’m a fan of both Gomez and Ortega, but both carry concerns. Your points on Ortega are valid, but he’s getting ZERO buzz, and that has to be weighed to some degree. Gomez carries the obvious injury-discipline question marks, but not enough to keep him out of top 10. Ortega may be just outside my 10. Only place we probably strongly digress is in McKenry. His season hasn’t been bad, but it has been park inflated, and doesn’t change his backup catcher profile. He’s close to Pacheco for me, but given that I’m a bigger believer in Pacheco’s smooth line drive stroke, he’ll likely get the nod.

by David OhNo on Aug 15, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

What player ever gets any buzz out of Casper?

It’s probably the most remote minor league team in the country and the only time anybody sees Ghosts players is when they’re on the road in Utah or Montana. The only exception that I can recall was Ian Stewart, but that was more carryover buzz from his HS career.

I’m a bigger believer in catcher defense being underrated, I think, and that’s why I like McKenry better than Pacheco, but Jordan would be in the next five.

As for Nelson, it was a deliberate oversight, but not because I don’t like him as a top ten prospect. I probably should have given a caveat that this list is strictly players that haven’t made their debuts yet. I still believe in him, I just haven’t figured out where/how to reconcile that belief and the fact that the organization doesn’t appear to be as high on him as I, and apparently you, think they should be. I imagine once everything’s done, he’ll be in my top ten, probably in that five or six range.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably true on Ortega

And again, I don’t dislike him, but don’t know near enough about him. For that reason, I probably won’t rank him as high as you, but I just feel I have better information on other guys.

One thing I plan to do in the next week is preview the 2011 Asheville Tourists, which could be the most prospect heavy team the Rockies have had since 2006 Tulsa ( Tulo, Stewart, Smith, Koshansky, etc.). I’d like to get some input on some players from you and ATF to fill in the blanks if possible. It will be dependent on who signs Monday, of course, but if I send you some names will you send back some commentary for me?

by David OhNo on Aug 15, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

sure thing

btw, I don’t know if you’ve put it together yet, but KendallRocksOn is my new Twitter account, because I couldn’t figure out my old password, just in case you were wondering who’s been replying to your tweets.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow I had no idea

Just that this Kendall person has a pretty good understanding of the Rockies’ system. Good to know.

by David OhNo on Aug 15, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Star-Tribune

will have a story on Ortega in tomorrow’s paper (barring something insane). I’d expect, but can’t guarantee, a story on Swanner and any of the other HS Casper signees (possibly just Tago in this group, but you never know).

Ortega has been very impressive. Were it not for Diaz’s conservative managerial style, perhaps he’d have better numbers (Diaz sac bunts more than any manager at any level I’ve ever seen).

He’s a very nice kid, too, which doesn’t really mean much, but at the same time means a lot.

by CSTsports on Aug 15, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be looking forward to it.

When can we expect Swanner to start playing?

by David OhNo on Aug 15, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Unclear

There’s been some confusion as to whether he’s actually here. I read a story on the Long County Times (I think…. one of his hometown rags, whatever it may be called) that said he was in Casper. The GM of the Ghosts was taken aback by that.

In that story, though, he said he expects to start playing in the next week or so.

The team’s pretty thin at catcher (Casteel is very raw behind the plate and plays many games at DH) and with them being in a pseudo playoff race, they might want to get Swanner out there quickly.

BTW: Ricardo Ferrer is back starting. He had a rough go on Friday night, but he’s been battling some shoulder fatigue. His velocity is back up and he’s feeling better, so right now it’s about finding his command.

Not sure he was on your radar, but I wouldn’t plan on Kandilas going to Asheville next year, FYI.

by CSTsports on Aug 15, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate when Woody Paige is right.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

I watched that game..and Carpenter was a total jerk to Ryan

I don’t like that guy one little bit. I can understand discussing poor play but man, time and place.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I never really much paid attention to him and didn't remember that he was the pitcher

that made the to do about the mound. And I hadn’t remembered that he was the guy made at Carlos Lee. When you put all the little incidents together like Renck did, yeah. I don’t like that dude either.

by holly96 on Aug 15, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep. I also thought Renck's piece was pretty funny.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he is right. And really doesn't this start at the top?

I’ve never liked LaRussa and he’s a bit of a whiner himself. I think Cueto’s suspension was a bit harsh. The guy was trapped against the backstop netting, fans were right behind him and could have done something to him. I think he just freaked out. Can’t say I wouldn’t have done the same thing.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Phillips was right 100%.

See: The whining after Franklin got shellacked, rather than realizing that Franklin is a mediocre pitcher. The Cardinals (the team, not the fans…the fans are cool) have been the class of the NL Central for so long (whatever THAT’S worth) that they feel entitled. When they get taken down a peg or two, they get butthurt.

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Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)

by Paleface Destro on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I loved the "he was never taught how to fight" bit

The right way to fight is to do absolutely anything you have to do to end the situation. Kick a man in the junk if it gives you a moment to get out of there? Okay. Kick at him with your spiked shoes if that’s all you can do? Works for me.

“Fighting fair” is an oxymoron. Fighting is inherently dirty, and any advantage needs to be exploited until you can get out of the situation.

Paleface Destro, RISPy assassin: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)

by Paleface Destro on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly!!!

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The only time “fighting fair” makes sense is in a sanctioned fight between actual competitors where there are rules. Like boxing or MMA or whatever.

by holly96 on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If I’m trying to save my ass, I don’t give a rip what I have to do to yours to make it happen.

Paleface Destro, RISPy assassin: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)

by Paleface Destro on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I've witnessed actual

fights and they are quick and dirty.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep...that makes sense to me.

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Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)

by Paleface Destro on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be jumping for joy when Woody Paige looks like an ass

for writing off this season.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions  

He always looks like an ass.

That could get hard on your knees and ankles.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Aug 15, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

The sad thing is when there's a somewhat intelligent nugget in the piles of crap he spews forth

I had to agree with his point about how it’s a bad idea to point to ’07 and ’09. At some point, the luck has to run out.

Of course, Woody being Woody, he made the point much more ham-handedly than that.

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Jason Hammel: Unsung Hero
Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)

by Paleface Destro on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Disturbing dream about Tulowitzki

I rarely dream about the Rockies, but last night I dreamed that Tulo literally dropped dead in left field during a game. The team was devastated, the city mourned it was quite terrible. Pretty freaky.

Of course I don’t what upset me more…that Tulo was dead or that he was playing left field.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Heh. That is pretty disturbing.

I had one of my frequent Saturday night organ wackiness dreams.

by holly96 on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

There are too many jokes...:)

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

I figured as much :)

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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's seriously like every Saturday night.

I’m not sure how my mind keeps coming up with new ways to screw with the church organ in my dreams, but it does.

by holly96 on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hmm, maybe you are subconsciously tired of playing the organ in church

and are taking it out in your dreams?

Yeah…I got nuthin:)

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

That reminds me of the only Rockies related dream I remember.

It was quite a nightmare too. It didn’t involve a baseball game, but I think Clint Barmes and a couple mother Rockies got arrested for going on a killing spree.

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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

*other

not mother

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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Word

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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by SDcat09 on Aug 15, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm also not 100% sure...

swapping out players is what we need to do. It ends up begging the question: Well, who would we want to get and at what price? We could, I guess, get into the fray for Adam Dunn or Carl Crawford.

Go Bruce!

by Since1993 on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Dunn FTW!

This lineup would own:

Dex
Smith
CarGo
Tulo
Dunn
Iannetta
Stewart
Nelson

Ubaldomania.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow that would be awesome

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Helton on the bench?

If he continues to hit for the rest of the year as he has been since his DL stint, I’m unconvinced that the FO would relegate him to the bench.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Suffice it to say

lots of decisions to be made.

Pitching:

Need for another starter. Who thought that Jason Hammels would be are 2nd best starter this year. Need another pitcher in this spot. No help appears to be on the farm.

1B

The Helton saga took a turn to the unknown this year. They may yet bring him back for a final encore but with recurring back issues they better have a plan B.

2B

Farm options abound. Barmes is not cheap. Expect something here but the farm options may be limited on ceiling.

SS

No issues other than Tulo getting hurt is a concern

3B

Major evaluation point. Stewis is a plus glove and plus arm with a minus brain. Can he take the step to greatness? if not package him for a big RH stick or high rotation guy.

OF

I feel Cargo must play center and is a cornerstone. That said Dexter Fowler may have some serious trade value. Quite frankly I think he is destined to be a two dimensional player (good field, good runner). I just do not think he will ever be consistent on offense. He is either real hot or real cold with cold being much more frequent. I would really like to see him just try to be a righty for an extended period of time and see what that would do for his consistency. Hawpe, Spilly and Smith are limited ceiling guys cut from the same cloth. Keep one and bring up this Miller kid who can flat out hit.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Miller has more of a limited ceiling than any of the other three OF you mention

Though I can’t really argue with anything else you’ve said (unless you really are excluding Chacin as possible rotation help from the farm)

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Miller is likely leaving the organization after this season.

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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 15, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course.

However, there is very little indication that the Rockies intend to let anyone go for a Miller callup. If the Rockies do makes some trades as you’d like them to, then that becomes a lot easier. Right now, the only open 40 man spot is pretty much reserved for Matt Reynolds. If more spots open up, then it becomes a different scenario entirely.

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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I pretty much agree with this....

I think the biggest issue is we have too many avg players. We have a a lot trade chips now (particularity in the OF) and a very strong core of Tulo, Cargo and Ubaldo. We just need need to get them a few more guys that can join and help on a daily basis. Another strong starter and a few strong bats should help this team in a big way.

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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!

by Colsportsfan on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I almost entirely agree, except for at starting pitcher

which I mostly agree with, but Chacin’s definitely farm ready help and I might be in the minority among posters here, but another year of maturation for Rogers should see him improving to MLB ready too. Really he’s a lot closer than people seem to be seeing.

I think you’re implying the Rockies need to let Cook go, which opens up that slot of the rotation for Chacin, and then if JDLR is also bolting that’s where it gets sticky. We can’t rely for certain on Rogers and there’s nobody else close.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

The issue with Rogers though is his lack of options

He would have to be in the rotation (or long relief) all season without a AAA refresher. That sort of expectation makes me nervous, though I would be fine under different circumstances.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of the big issues

hit on the head. They had to juggle him and Chacin all season due to injuries, needs, etc. All things being equal they would have preferred them at CS all season with a Sept callup. Sometimes reality gets the best of good intentions.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes reality gets the best of good intentions.

Story of the season? Things just have not fallen the way they appeared to be primed to.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was going to mention that he reminds me a lot of Jason Hammel

simply in this respect. I think like the Rays did with Hammel in 2009, the Rockies are going to hold onto Rogers as long as possible to see what transpires next Spring. If by the end of March, he isn’t fully ready, they’ll deal him. In the meantime, I think most here are assuming the worst on that front, but the rosy picture (that he matures into the pitcher he could be) is a promising one.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the dude can hit

and do it consistently. Neither Hawpe nor Smith has been Garry Maddox Junior this year either.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Chacin

was not excluded and assumed as a pitcher next year. I more or less assumed he would be there. However he would be a 4th 5th guy and they need some bigger presence on the top end.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 12:01 PM MDT reply actions  

BTW

I have been hired by an MLB club as a consultant for the next two weeks to evalute the Rocks potential trade candidates and send reports. I will be following them around for two weeks during my regular vacation. So starting tomorrow I am forbidden to post any rumors, trades, etc.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 12:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Ah... shucks...

Congrats on the gig though, we’ll definitely look forward to when you’re no longer contractually obliged to be tight lipped.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

congrats.
starting tomorrow I am forbidden to post any rumors, trades, etc.

well, gotta spill it all now then.

Ubaldomania.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Aug 15, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have done this before

it is fun and a great way to stay in the game. I will be going to LA, Phoenix and SF and submitting reports on around 10 targets and 6 six other players “of interest”. I may also have to cover a rehab start or two. The reports take about 4 hours to file and each game and they are very complex. Quite frankly one of my pet peeves it that a great deal of gut instinct and personal evaluation has been factored out of the process over the years. I have many old pals in organizations and they reach out to me since they know I follow the team on a day to day basis and can shed the fan mantra.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM MDT reply actions  

I would have never guessed that was a pet peeve of yours...

Okay, so probably I would have guessed.

I figure like any multi-billion dollar business, the gut instincts and personal evaluations will give way to calculators and computers, which will make the league the mess of parity it is right now, but the organizations that still have the better “noses” that can sniff out stuff that the stats are missing will rise above the competition more often.

I see it that if you aren’t using stats at all you’re stupid and you have an organization that will have lower, more severe bottoms and if you’re relying on them too much, your organization’s best hope is consistent mediocrity.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

You speak of intangibles

I am the Lord of the Intangible. The lost art, the lust of the Old Foagie, the language the Andrews Sisters cannot decipher.

Hence why I get sent on these sojourns from time to time. A team in contention can pick up one guy that can execute in the late innings and win a game or two spells the difference between also ran and playoff contender. See Giambi in 2009, he probably one three games for the Rocks in Sept last year. Without him they may not have made the postseason.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Aug 15, 2010 12:34 PM MDT reply actions  

The intangibles Herrera has...

 He works well in leverage. He works well to move runners. He actually works harder when the team is loseing. He thinks the W is the only stat that matters. And he works so hard not to hurt the team. He knows his limitations and uses his advantages and does his level best to mask his disadvantages both on the field and at the plate.
 I don’t see him as a fulltime player. Nobody thought Eckstien or or Rafeal Belliard would have the careers they had. Joe McEwing was considered an empty uniform by many but was beloved by many knowledgeable fans for his lunch bucket style of play. The upside for him as a Hairston is something a LaRussa, a Guillen, a Leyland or Girardi would love to have around.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

A Tracy loves to have those players around too

I’m certain that he sees Herrera as another Alex Cora, and Tracy really had a thing for Alex Cora. Honestly, the only issue I have with him as a starter is that it would mean that either we need a guarantee that Todd Helton will continue hitting like he has since returning from the DL, or the Rockies would need a new primary first baseman as I really don’t think the team can afford all the holes in the lineup that they seem to have had this year, and Herrera at his worst (which we really haven’t seen in the majors) is a significant hole.

by Rox Girl on Aug 15, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

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