Sizing up the system: How the Rockies minor leagues stack up after the 2010 season and draft
These are the players that I'm still high on with each team in the system. I've tiered it in groups of 12 for the players who I consider the top 36 prospects, and then added others I consider in the top sixty. Once you get out of the second dozen, the chances of an MLB career are pretty dubious, but then again I look at players like Matt Daley or Matt Reynolds and think that maybe, particularly in the case of relief pitchers, listing all of them is warranted.
Colorado Springs:
Top 12
Second 12
- Matt Reynolds
- Cole Garner
Others:
- Matt Miller
- Edgmer Escalona
The big question I have with the Sky Sox prospects revolves around Chris Nelson and what the Rockies plans for his future entail, as that could significantly effect how I rank him. The main reason this comes up is that news reports in recent weeks have indicated that Jim Tracy prefers Jonathan Herrera as his starting 2B in 2011 if Clint Barmes leaves (something that's looking fairly likely). If Nelson's being siphoned off into the same super utility role that we see Eric Young Jr. in, I have to first question why, as seemingly the offensive advantage of Nelson over Herrera easily passes the defensive liability. Second, however, I'd have to downgrade how I see his future contribution to the club, as a potential bench bat/backup is not nearly as valuable as a potential starting position player.
Which I guess would lead to the second question of why McKenry's so highly ranked if he's a potential bench catcher? Good question. I'm coming to terms with the fact that I might be too high on him.
Tulsa:
Top 12
Second 13
- Charlie Blackmon
- Jordan Pacheco
Third 12
- Bruce Billings
- Rex Brothers
Others:
- Cory Riordan
- Al Alburquerque
- Craig Baker
I think Blackmon's a better player than people realize, and have said I expect a breakout from him in 2011 that goes beyond your typical Colorado Springs boost. That said, the typical CS boost might still keep people from realizing that it's happening. Actually, this entire group gets underrated to some degree, including Friedrich now that he's gone through his first stretch of adversity and poor performance.
Modesto:
Top 12
Second 13
- Thomas Field
- Tim Wheeler
- Ben Paulsen
- Parker Frazier
Third 12
- Casey Weathers
- Jimmy Cesario
- Joe Sanders
Others:
- Mike Zuanich
- Ethan Hollingsworth
- Adam Jorgenson
- Scott Robinson
- Brian Rike
If people are really wanting a David Eckstein type of pest, one that gets on base, works counts, drives the opposing pitcher crazy in front of the big bats, then Field should be your guy. In a way, he and Nicasio are similar in that you're not going to read much about them outside of Purple Row circles, as they aren't flashy, top line prospects, but Nicasio with his ability to gobble up a large amount of innings effectively and Field with those pest attributes are the same types of players that are making the Padres so successful.
Asheville:
Top 12
- Tyler Matzek
- Nolan Arenado
Second 13
- Eliezer Mesa
- Chris Balcom-Miller
Third 12
- Delta Cleary
- Wes Musick
Others
- Jared Clark
- Angelys Nina
- Alan DeRatt
- Coty Woods
- Orlando Sandoval
I feel I have a pretty good idea of what to expect/hope for from the first three prospects listed here, but Balcom-Miller is sort of enigmatic to me until I see what he does at higher levels. I think he's another Nicasio type, but at the moment, my gut tells me there's more downside than Nicasio has. That said, there may also be more upside given that he's just 21. Musick's in the same boat, only with what I perceive to be a much higher likelihood of flaming out before he gets to the majors.
Tri-City:
Top 12
- Chad Bettis
Second 13
- Josh Slaats
Third 12
- Josh Rutledge
Others*:
- Edwar Cabrera
- Erik Stavert
- Ricky Testa
I'm suspecting a lot of people will prematurely write off Rutledge given his Tri-City stats, which is one of the dangers of the timing of this next PuRPs poll. I'd be similarly inclined to believe that people would be giving too much credit to Slaats and Bettis for their small samples of work, but each has a mitigating factor that would make exuberance warranted. For Bettis, it's the reports of a bump in his velocity. A pitcher throwing mid 90's heat that could crank it up to 98 at times is much more valuable than one pitching in the low 90's. For Slaats, it's just the degree of his domination thus far. 44% of plate appearances against him end in a strikeout, just 4% in walks. In a similar fashion to Mesa's start at Asheville, it's an immediate signal that you just can't ignore that a player's a legitimate prospect and considerably better than those he's going up against. If he continues said pace for only a few more innings, he could easily find himself in my top 20 by the time we actually make a poll.
Casper:
Top 12
- Peter Tago
- Rafael Ortega
Second 13
- Albert Campos
- Corey Dickerson
Third 11
- Will Swanner
- Juan Crousset
Others
- Alejandro Barazza
- Christhian Adames
- Alving Mejias
- Juan Perez
- Ryan Casteel
- Tyler Gagnon
- Kyle Hancock
I've said a lot already about why Ortega needs to be looked at as an elite talent within the system, and I'm close to convinced that he has the most offensive potential of any prospect that we have now save the guy that we just signed from Clemson. Arenado maybe has as much, and closer to the majors, so he'll probably rank higher on my list this time, but I fully expect Ortega to rise into my top five by the middle of next season. At the same time, Corey Dickerson might be getting overrated a bit given his draft round and relative experience to the level. He entered Casper at a similar experience level to Balcom-Miller last season, but is not separating himself from the League like Balcom-Miller did, like Ortega's doing. That says to me that he's at a lower tier than CB-M, and a couple lower than Ortega.
Unassigned/DSL
Top 12
Third 12
- Rossell Herrera
As I just implied, Parker's middle of the order potential trumps anybody else we have in the system, but he's got to give up football before he fully can tap into that. Until then, he'll probably be knocked into the Arenado/Ortega range of prospects for me. Herrera's having a down debut in the DSL after starting well, but hitters rarely shine at the Rockies academy (another reason to like Ortega) especially their first season. If he rebounds or is promoted to Casper for next season, it should be a sign he's top 20 material, if he doesn't he'll get bumped off the list.
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Has any batter
had a good season playing for Tri-City? I can’t recall a standout season in recent memory.
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turns out, I did not recall correctly
but Matt Macri had a good year for them that season. .333/.410/.569, I forgot about that.
Scott Beerer posted a 1.378 OPS at TC..
Although I don’t know who would vote for him on their purps list.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 18, 2010 6:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Only one reliever in your second tier
Do you downgrade the position on a whole? Not saying that’s wrong, just curious.
Semi-related to that point, I will have Rex Brothers ranked higher than Matt Reynolds. I think Reynolds often gets overrated for being the most ready relief prospect, but carries a considerably shorter ceiling than a guy like Brothers. Reynolds is quite older and has taken a more gradual route to the bigs, and stuff-wise, may ultimately be a successful LOOGY. Brothers, on the other hand, has the system’s best slider and a heater that reaches the mid-90’s. His AA numbers are somewhat skewed by one poor outing in which he left the game with the bases loaded and the following reliever allowed them all to score. His control can be his undoing, but he’s taking steps in the right direction and does have closer’s upside. He’s a second tier guy for me.
by David OhNo on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I'm generally lower on them, yes.
The win value ceiling gets capped pretty quickly in the bullpen. I’m glad to hear your assurance on Brothers and open to the idea I’ve placed him too low. Reynolds is possibly higher than he should be (like McKenry) for proximity to the majors reasons.
A few points
Tulsa’s new ballpark seems to be suppressing offensive numbers, at least when compared to the rest of the Texas League. Most of the hitters at Tulsa aren’t having a good year, to be sure, but I’ve noticed that most of them do have pretty sizable home/road splits (as well as most of the pitchers, though granted Greg Reynolds has reverse splits.) Blackmon, for example, has a .674 OPS at home and a .953 OPS away.
I’m surprised to see no mention of Chandler Laurent. The strikeouts are a problem, obviously, but I think there’s at least some potential in his bat. Also in the Tri-City outfield, I don’t think we should give up on Jared Simon so quickly, either. And what of Brett Tanos?
It's been a hitters park during the summer
The homers, last I saw, were way up in the new park. Short fences and dimensions make for cheapies to right field in the summer heat.
by David OhNo on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Laurent, Simon and Tanos all fall a bit more into a fringe category for me
A lot of which has to do with age and draft position, but there are other issues, such as Laurent’s K’s or Tanos’ D, and holes in Simon’s swing and I really want to see what they all do at a full season level before I fully sign off on them.
Laurent probably did merit mention, however.
Catcher-heavy
There are 3 of them in your Top 25.
That’s a good sign for the org.’s future.
I’ve been watching Pacheco’s numbers all year, and he’s just raked at
Modesto & started off the same at Tulsa when called up to replace Rosario.
His avg. & OBP are very good, though he lacks Rosario’s power, which is
probably what keeps him ranked below Rosario.
Any idea how they compare defensively?
Mediocrity sucks
Pacheco really doesn't compare defensively.
Now, I can’t find the current season stats, but last season he only threw out around 13% of baserunners attempting to steal on him. Though it’s improved since 2008, when he allowed 20 passed balls.
He could have improved, but it’s hard to see him having the defense to stick at catcher in the majors.
If he continues to hit
is he the type that projects to be able to switch to another position?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
He played 2B in college
Pacheco could find himself in a super-duper utility role, where he could backup catcher and most of the infield.
Interesting
That’s not a bad projection. It might not be like having a Jesus Montero in your system, but every team can use a good utility guy…. And if Rosario and McKenry pan out behind the plate, I love having a third catcher with other options.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Not only those three
But on pure upside alone, Will Swanner rates behind only Wil Rosario at the position.
by David OhNo on Aug 18, 2010 3:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
And...
Lars Davis is an athletic catcher who’s finally started to hit at AA. Not a Purp, but good depth.
by David OhNo on Aug 18, 2010 3:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm thrilled to see the James Cesario mention.
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He's had a good season.
A bit on the cool side this past could weeks, but he got my attention. There’s been a lot more attention placed onto Thomas Field (for good reason), but I think it’s kind of overshadowed Cesario’s performance a smidgen.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 18, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
And can I just say...
… if there’s any minor league team that needs more coverage around here, it’s the Nuts. We need to find ourselves a correspondent in Modesto :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 18, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The Nuts..
Are my favorite minor league team to follow on twitter. They include photos and in game commentary.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Two things
1. I think you might be dismissing Adames a tad too soon. He probably belongs in at least that third tier, and I could see his defense pushing him to the second tier.
2. I agree with DO re: Brothers. Obviously, if Tracy uses him like he’s used a lot of lefties, his value will be negated. But if he’s used like Belisle, he could be a 2 win player, something that’s very valuable.
Like DO, I’m very excited to see Asheville next year. Too bad I’m no longer living in SAL territory…
I'm not meaning to be dismissive of Adames
He and Barazza were my last cuts from the group and it’s only because they’ve got a climb ahead of them and I wanted places for a grinder like Cesario and Sanders. I just gave myself an arbitrary cutoff point that I probably should have extended to include them, I really do see them at about that level.
I'm also weary re: Arenado
I think his lack of athleticism/speed/quickness could really hinder him more than we realize. I’ve listened to a few of Matzek/CBM’s starts this year and there’s been a few times where the PBP guy (essentially, a shill for the team) has even called him out on it. I specifically remember a game where someone hit a double to the wall in the gap and he was held up at third from second.
Certainly something to look out for, particularly given the scouting reports on him coming into last year (what was it, duck footed?).
I understand the weariness, I saw that first hand.
I also saw a bat that was good enough to make me be dismissive of those concerns. I’d understand fully why others would dock him for it and thank you for bringing that up.
Yeah
Never seen him in person. I know he’s put up numbers everywhere, I just worry that his basement is a DH with a plus bat. Of course, I generally minimize the value of defense more than others, so this is far less concerning to me than some.
Was anyone else as disappointed in Cleary this year as I was? I’m not sure why I expected him to increase his performance from last year, but I did.
Someone above asked about Tanos. I like Tanos’ bat a bit, but as I told DO the other day, his future probably relies on the ability to play multiple positions.
Definitely
I’m disappointed in Cleary as well. Right now he’s in the same boat as players like David Christensen, Tyler Massey et al, guys who have the tools to play in the big leagues but so far have shown little to no refinement and aren’t really improving.
I've never been too high on Cleary.
I didn’t put him on my list last time, and I probably won’t this time either.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 18, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Cleary is fun to chat with on the twitter ..
I’ve found he responds quickly and answers multiple questions.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Cleary better than those, clearly
I’ve always been more patient than most waiting for tools to pay off, though.
Big fan too
I don’t know why, but I’m always shocked to see his OPS so low, as if I’m expecting it to be higher from a couple of 2-4 games.
Bottom line, don’t count out crazy tools, especially at 20 years old.
Are there any Russell Wilson fans out there?
I mean as a baseball player? He’s one guy I didn’t mention that I thought might get brought up. He also falls into that Laurent/Simon/Tanos range of players that I want to see at a full season level, maybe a bit above them, but he also gets docked for still being wishy-washy about his career.
Wilson
Hard to tell with him because we really haven’t seen enough of him as a baseball player. I find it kind of hard to see how a guy who was a bench player/part-time starter as a college junior was drafted that high, though the athleticism is obvious. I think you can justify including him based on draft position more than anything, though.
Hard to tell with him because we really haven’t seen enough of him as a baseball player.
This is why when I made my last PURP list, I found it hard to put many Ghosts on it. Short of their external reputation, I find it hard to sell myself on just the one season of play. I’m going to have to try and compartmentalize my process for picking them a bit further next time, as my criteria were based more around “who is playing well and climbing the ladder” and “who is closest to helping us out” than anything else.
Following the minors for a season with Project Libra has helped significantly. I’m still going to have trouble putting someone like Ortega in my Top 10, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 18, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
Obviously, being up here, I get a chance to talk to some people in the know more and I see them on a more frequent basis, so I have some knowledge. But it is very difficult. I’m guessing if you look at the list of past PIO players of the year, a lot of woebegone AA flameouts are on that list…
Yes, but
mostly because his name is Russell.
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God.
I’m stuck with Greg Reynolds.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 18, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
havent we discussed this before?
Mine are Graham and Johnston.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 18, 2010 5:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Charlie Blackmon FTW!!
Also root for Delta Cleary since I was born in Delta, Co
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by Charlie77 on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I lived in Delta for 11 years (2nd Grade through High School)
Do you still live there?
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by BittenAnkles on Aug 19, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
My name is not Cole
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 19, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
^4
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by Junction Rox on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I am going to try to catch a Nuts game
while I am out here and prior to leaving for Phoenix.
I am trying to recover from my shellacking today at the hands of the PR gang.
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This is still the PR gang :) and we still like you...
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