Friday Rockpile: A Perfect Getaway
Dejected about one of my favorite players leaving the Rockies, I became inspired to look back to the day of the first baseball game I had watched in years, back in June 2006, before I had any real interest in following a baseball team. This is my report on the findings.
The story of Friday, June 30th, 2006
Joe Beimel watched from the bullpen as his newest team, the Dodgers, beat their crosstown rivals in Anaheim, while designated hitter Jason Giambi helped his New York Yankees defeat their crosstown rivals, the Mets, in Yankee Stadium with a solo home run in a low scoring 2-0 win. It wasn't the only 2-0 win that would happen today.
Cardinals reliever Randy Flores pitched a clean inning at home against the Royals. He was credited with a hold, though his team would eventually blow the game.
Orioles third baseman Melvin Mora was hitting second and playing third base in Atlanta. His went 0-4, and his team lost.
Miguel Olivo, in his first year with Florida, had the day off in favor of Matt Treanor as the Marlins took on the Red Sox in Miami.
Reigning AL Rookie of the Year Huston Street was having another good season. He was on a down note, however, as he'd blown his sixth save of the year the previous day in San Diego, though neither of the 2 runs he gave up were earned. The A's had returned home to face the Diamondbacks, and Street got some rest as they lost 6-4.
Rafael Betancourt pitched for the Indians at Cincinnati and was saddled with 4 earned runs (2 home runs) without getting a single out, one of the worst outings of his career. Across the stadium, Matt Belisle, called up just earlier in the week, stood in his home bullpen in Cincinnati as his team roughed up Betancourt to tie for the division lead at the time.
After making the team out of Spring Training initially, Jason Hammel was on optional assignment with Tampa Bay's AAA Durham Bulls. He started the first game of a double header in Scranton Wilkes-Barre two days prior and had pitched well. The Bulls had come back home to take on Norfolk for the weekend.
Jorge De La Rosa was with the Huntsville Stars, Milwaukee's AA affiliate, on rehab assignment for a blistered finger. He'd started the day before and threw four clean innings. Milwaukee had seen enough of DLR's struggles, however, and he would never pitch for them again. After his injury was healed, he would be traded to the Kansas City Royals.
Rookie Taylor Buchholz was a member of the Houston Astros rotation, and was preparing to start the next day against the Texas Rangers.
At just 20 years old, outfielder Carlos Gonzalez was having a stellar season for the A+ Lancaster JetHawks in their final year in service for Arizona. He was playing right field and hitting third for the JetHawks, and went 4-5 with a double and two RBI against visiting Bakserfield.
An 18 year old Jhoulys Chacin was playing his first year of professional baseball in the Dominican Republic, on his way to a fantastic season that would send him shooting through the system, while a 20 year old Esmil Rogers was two starts into his first season of American baseball with the then-named Casper Rockies, who were getting creamed in Idaho Falls this day.
The A level Asheville Tourists pulled out a victory at home against Hickory. Soon-to-be-hyped outfield prospect Dexter Fowler led off and played center field (singled, walked, stole two bases and struck out twice). Right behind him in the 2 hole was second baseman Eric Young Jr. (single, double, walk, stolen base).
A+ Modesto reliever Matt Daley, in the middle of a good season, was fresh off a clean inning pitched against San Jose in a loss the previous day
As the Tulsa Drillers were on the road facing Arkansas, Seth Smith led off in RF and went 4 for 5 with two doubles and a solo HR. Ian Stewart was hitting fourth, and went 1 for 5. Phenom shortstop Troy Tulowitzki was not playing, however, as he was on the DL recovering from a knee injury.
After dominating AA Tulsa early in the season, young reliever Manuel Corpas was just stretching his legs at AAA Colorado Springs, not aware he would be called up to the big show mere weeks later. He watched a fellow AA promotion, starter Ubaldo Jimenez, struggle his way through 6 runs in 5.1 innings in his AAA debut. Catching him was yet another young AA promotion, catcher Chris Iannetta, who hit fifth and had a solo home run.
Starting pitchers Aaron Cook and Jeff Francis watched from the dugout as teammate Josh Fogg threw a wizard of a game against the Seattle Mariners. Fogg faced the 27 batter minimum, producing one of the best pitching performances in team history, then and today.
Clint Barmes, the Rockies' starting shortstop one year removed from his infamous venison incident, was involved in two of the three double plays that allowed this to happen. Barmes, who was struggling mightily at the plate with a .207 seasonal average, was batting second and went 0-3 with a walk.
A healthy Todd Helton, batting .303, played 1B , hit third and went 0-3 with a walk.
Ryan Spilborghs, who had not yet established himself with a full time job with the Rockies, was up with the team. He hit sixth and played LF in this game while Matt Holliday was on AL ruled DH duties, and went 0-4.
And then there was Brad Hawpe, having a good first half like he often did. Playing right field and hitting seventh in the lineup, he hit a solo home run to account for one of the two runs in the game. All while I watched the Rockies for the first time in several years.
Baseball is a game of movement, changes in location and in allegiance. Four years and two months ago, these people were scattered across the continent. On August 18th, they comprised the active roster and associated DL placements of one major league team. On August 19th, one left.
With Brad Hawpe gone, five players from my "baseball initiation team" remain here. I found the process of picking this arbitrary day and seeing where our current team was both frightening and comforting. It truly highlights the desperate mechanisms in my psychology producing the desire to hang onto the here and now for dear life. But any one of these moments is just one step along the way. June 30 '06, Hawpe helped bring me into baseball. August 18 '10, he helped remind me why I'm still here. And it's not because every team stays intact. It's just the opposite.
As I posted this, Randy Flores became the second casualty. Their replacements, Matt Reynolds and Jonathan Herrera have stories too. And when they leave, so will their replacements. And people call me crazy when I say I enjoy baseball because it's cinematic.
Links after the jump.
As was noted by David OhNo via Twitter Wednesday night and Andrew T. Fisher in yesterday's Pebble Report, LHP prospect Christian Friedrich left the AA Tulsa game Wednesday. Here is Tulsa World's Kevin Henry on the game. The official diagnosis appears to be a "strained lat muscle". This has been Friedrich's first professional year he didn't ace; he's had multiple injuries and mechanical struggles to overcome. However, a blemish on his record though it may be, Friedrich has bounced back from every setback, and if he didn't have so many, I'm confident he'd have collected himself by now. He still belongs near the top of players to be excited about in development on the farm.
Scan Evan Drellich of MLB.com's Rockies newsroll for some player reactions on Brad Hawpe's recent departure and injury updates on Carlos Gonzalez and our injured pitchers.
Pete Yost of the Associated Press runs down the Roger Clemens indictment, available through the Denver Post.
Finally, Fangraphs has posted two articles relevant to the Rockies: Joe Pawlikowski discusses Brad Hawpe and Bryan West considers the final draft results for the NL West teams. He ranks the Rockies as his favorite draft in the division.
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Great post.
It’d be interesting to do this same thing in another 4 years, but reverse and show how this very team disbanded.
OT: I’m a Denver resident but visiting Boston, and got my first taste of Fenway. While I’m not a converted fan or anything, but to anyone that hasn’t seen what fandom is like out here….Denver has nothing on them. It really is no wonder there is an East Coast Bias. The stadium was still PACKED when it hit 7-1 Angels last night. People were still riding on every pitch.
Mariners fans still have nightmares about Josh Fogg from this game
You might get yourself banned from LL just for mentioning his name, I think. Great piece, WM.
Amazing to have a "perfect" game and 2 hits. I miss me some Fogger...:(
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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This is an excellent question
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know about the record
but it was mentioned on FSNRM the other night that this is the longest such streak in MLB since (ironically) the 2005 Rockies.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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So Flores is gone
and Corpas is still here. Fate is a fickle mistress.
Good luck to Randy. Maybe the least appreciated man on the roster this year.
Bleed purple
If you mean as in 'most underappreciated', you may be correct...
…if you mean as in ‘unappreciated’, I’m sure most of us are less appreciative of Corpas :-P
That's because he has a 5.21 FIP, 5.11 xFIP and a NEGATIVE 0.2 WAR
When you’re a LOOGy, ERA is just not a good way to measure performance. He had the second highest walk rate of our relievers and the worst K/BB. When you face about 2 batters per outing, your ERA is more affected by the pitchers who come in after you.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
what is his HoRP
humour over replacement player
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This is the Muzia I love..
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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Yup, uncorrupted and funny
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have I been corrupted and unfunny???
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only when you write about Tebow
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
my crazy friend says eating meat is wrong. is he crazy?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
make no mistake Timmy
if a cow had the chance he’d eat you and everyone you care about
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
You can’t possibly expect us to swallow this tripe.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
/Simpsons did it
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I was continuing the pop culture shift.
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Reccing the Rockpile
Nice job Wolf
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 8:32 AM MDT reply actions
Very good writeup, Wolf
I even like the movie you chose for the title :D
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I'd been on a stretch of using bad movies.
“How to Deal” was perhaps the most humiliating, but it was a perfect title for the subject.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
"A Perfect Getaway" was a blast of a movie though
I thoroughly enjoyed it
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I didn't like it as much as some people did.
But I didn’t hate it either.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
If you do the Rockpile two days before the 2011 starts you might just have to use "The Day After Tomorrow"
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
*cringe*
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent work, WM
Beautifully done. Had never thought of baseball as being cinematic, but I see it clearly now. Thanks for the great read to go with my morning coffee.
Get your purple on.
I have a feeling
with Herrera coming back up that
means the organization doesn’t believe in Chris Nelson
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
It's hard telling
RG speculated yesterday that they might want a high energy player. EY2 is clearly ahead of Herrera, who may be ahead of Nelson in that regard
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Its been said before
but what good is a high energy player that isn’t on base. Maybe he can get from the batters box to the dugout faster than anyone else.
"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote
Wasn't Nelson exactly that
when he came up? The Rockies have a tough choice on where they want to go with their second basemen: everyone knows that Nelson is the most talented, and it seems obvious that Herrera is perfect for a utility job, but you can’t ignore the dynamic that EY2 brings to the lineup, and it spells out such a better fit, especially since his defense has been solid while he’s been up. I just can’t get over that they realized now Barmes wasn’t helping and not at the trading deadline: I feel like not trading Barmes while he still held value because of the hot streak was the bigger sin than Hawpe, because Barmes was so much easier to trade than Hawpe.
Nelson certainly had energy in the play at the plate
It is strange. Nelson has had a magnificent year in AAA. I can defend his lack of playing time with Tulo on the DL, as Herrera was hitting well. But passing over Nelson now seems to indicate a lukewarm view of him despite his value being fairly high. How the Young/Herrera/Nelson logjam gets addressed will be almost as intriguing as first base
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you thought that they are auditioning EY2 and JH for trade now to keep Nelson?
A team that values Speed above all else would want Young and a team that values an Aaron Miles on the bench might want a Herrera. It depends on who they seek in return. They may have already shot themselves in the foot with Barmes like they did Hawpe.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
that is certainly possible
Though even as a Nelson supporter, I would like to see him play in the bigs before tossing him the full time job next April
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 11:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree but the FO seems lost enough at the moment that I think these are real possibilities
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I think the dislike is overstated
EYJ and Herrera have more or less done what they can do at the minor league level, while Nelson is finally putting together a healthy and successful season. There’s still something Nelson can gain playing every day at AAA while the Rockies figure out what they have in EYJ. Opinions of Nelson won’t really come out until next spring, when we see where he stands in competition with the other players at his position.
Also, there’s something to be said about the phrase “the cream rises to the top.”. Neither Herrera nor EYJ elicit much confidence in their ability to make consistent quality contact at the AAA level. Neither of the two have had a minor league season like Nelson’s ‘10. There is no guarantee either EYJ or Herrera will ultimately hit enough to play every day. In Herrera’s case, it’s plausible his bat may not uktimately carry a utility role. The Rockies have time to let this play out. EYJ and Herrera have been given first shot because they were the first to be ready, but to me, this is still a best man wins race, and I’ll place my bet on Nelson’s bat in the long run.
by David OhNo on Aug 20, 2010 11:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
AHA! the Herrera promotion suddenly makes a ton of sense!
He was sent down 18 days ago. By rule, if a player is sent to the minors for less than 20 days, his option isn’t burned. That prevents his last option year being used up this season, meaning he will have one option remaining next season. With our mini logjam there, it pays to have options.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 2:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
No. Just observant ever since we discovered the rule.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Not that he isn't a geius.
He’s going to try the MENSA IQ test with me sometime.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice save
Thanks for all your work on LIBRA and for all you guys for explaining the obscure intricacies like this one.
lol, not really a "save", as I truly didn't notice the negative implications of Andrew's character I implied.
We actually did joke about taking the MENSA test. Neither of us expected to qualify, though.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Beautiful post WM, and recced.....
and you’ve inspired me. I’ve got something to say, but I’ll say it later…
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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thanks butterfly :)
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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Sad part about last night’s game? I knew we were going to get shut out. Not because Ted Lilly is spectacular. And not because I’m a raging pessimist. Just knew we weren’t going to score any runs, told my dad as much when I was on the phone with him before the game, and lo and behold, we didn’t. This team just ain’t that good.
Flores was dead weight all year – probably should have been Reynolds on the Opening Day roster instead.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
why does this team make Johan Santana look like Ted Lilly?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cracking Post, WM
Baseball is a beautiful game, players come and go with no seeming animosity, and the fans, no matter who the player, always seem to lament like the loss of one of their own.
In England (where I live), it couldn’t be more different; over-paid, prima donna fairies who care little about their teams but solely about money, and the fans support respect that.
In Baseball, it seems you find more players you can really get behind, really grow to love and admire, whereas in so many other sports the role models are lacking and the fan experience isn’t the same because of it.
We rightly cherish the players we have, but still cheer when they go.
Again, top post, WM.
by smellymelly on Aug 20, 2010 8:55 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree. One of the biggest reasons I love baseball the best!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
OT: A song to make you smile on a Friday morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rNBAMt-kg
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This kind of puts a team into perspective.
For those that say Dan O’Dowd doesn’t know how to build a team, they should read this. It takes time to build it, and more time to get the right parts in place to be able to win.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
I love this article title
Cardinals Acquire Feliz, and are now Worse
It points out his -1.5 WAR, worst of any position player in baseball this season
Bleed purple
Except against the Rockies.
Where Pedro Feliz will go 8 for 12 in the final series with us with 2 HRs and 5 RBIs.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Also rob two solid line drives down the line.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Pedro effin' Feliz
Yes, I actually do like cricket. I'm Indian.
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
No Cargo tonight
Renck says it’s too stiff, he can barely walk
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So a Kirk Gibson pinch hit moment in the 9th tonight?
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Please DO NOT associate the reviled by me Kirk Gibson
with my beloved Rockies.
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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Actually I take that back.
CarGo can pull a Kirk Gibson against the Kirk Gibson managed DBacks this weekend. Oh, how happy that would make me!!!
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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That's exactly what I was thinking
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
That's a more rational approach: Your Hawpe Malaise might actually be lifting a bit.
You should eat a Qt of HagenDas and go grab an HR manager by the throat today. You’ll feel much better wheather you get the job or not.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Lol...thanks foagie...I'm wrote a fan post....I hope you'll read it..
/wipes eyes…
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
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You and me both.
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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You and me both
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
by rockieprogress on Aug 20, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
giggled
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Aug 20, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep
17 year old boys everywhere can sympathize….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Whats the big deal? CarGo can barely walk even when he is healthy!
/rimshot
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 10 recs
HAHAHA
/Applause
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
seriously
how is this not green?
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This just shows baseball is unpredictable
Nobody would expect a typical 11th round college draft pick to hold such a place in the hearts of Rockies fans. I don’t think anybody expected Matt Daley and Matt Reynolds to be MLB players, nor that Matt Belisle could form a valuable MLB career with the Rockies, and of course, that Jason Hammel would succeed in Coors. I think it also shows how much scouting ability it takes and the actual difficulties of being a GM in the MLB. We could scream about how obvious it was to sign Orlando Hudson in the offseason or how stupid it was to trade Haren for a package led by Joe Saunders, but only a handful know exactly why they didn’t go with the fans route which seemed so right at the time.
Awesome post, Wolf
Thanks for taking the time to track all those players down. It helps paint them as human beings, who develop and grow, have dreams and stories, and have good years and bad. Sometimes we forget to see them that way.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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Yep
More than anything else baseball is a story, (at least for me it is anyway) and you can’t have a great story without great charcters. That’s just one of the things that makes this the greatest game ever created. In baseball more than any other sport, you get to know the characters. You see them every day, learn their manerisms, memorize their batting routines, indentify their little idiosyncrasies, and maybe even relate to their personalites.
There’s nothing quite like a great character you can relate to and that’s why I think so many Rockie fans loved Hawpe. He just seemed like a common guy doing uncommon things on a baseball diamond.
But now the character’s gone and the story marches onward. It’s really quite bittersweet in that sense.
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought hunting humans was the greatest game
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most dangerous game.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
baseball=greatest
hunting humans=most dangerous
mortal kombat=very good game
donkey kong=best game ever
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
how about engaging in mortal kombat with a Donkey Kong led army of humans, armed only with a baseball bat
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
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sounds a lot like Mario Kart.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Super Smash Bros.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, the memories
Two things that stood out most for me that season within a month of this day were the Rockies 8-7 loss to Arizona after , then Yorvit Torrealba’s 3 run jack off of Hoffmang to tie it, then Choo Freeman walked it off.
Thanks for making me reminisce Wolf, cool article
Yes, I actually do like cricket. I'm Indian.
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rather....Jamey Carroll drove in Choo to win it
Recollection fail
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by Hollidayrain on Aug 20, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
and it was a 2 run tying homer...DAMN IT
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by Hollidayrain on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent article,
Wolf. Your finest work so far. I really enjoyed it.
Now, excuse me, I have to leave to go celebrate Todd Helton’s (scratch that) I mean my sis’s birthday.
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 20, 2010 11:38 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Picked up this cheery fact at lunch
The Rockies have now lost nine straight series to the Dodgers
Bleed purple
Thanks, now I want to go drink
cheers!
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O.o
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
This surprises you. lol
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blerg to that.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 20, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I knew there was a reason I hated the Dodgers!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 20, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Only one??
There are hundreds of good ones!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 20, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, yeah . . .
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 20, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
You'll never run out of reasons...
to hate the Dodgers.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
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you know what's fun...
My hate of Kirk Gibson can now be extended onto the DBacks. I didn’t really hate the Dback before…but now I have an irrational reason too….the very best kind..")
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Dodgers = hate?
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Yes
And this by default proves the Hate = Love equation wrong because if Dodgers = Hate then Dodgers also = Love which is wrong.
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm so glad you got that ....
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Great piece of writing, Wolf. My favorite Rockpile article to date.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
OT: This is for you Cat
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15841151
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Heh...thanks jpage78
I need something hopeful here today….:)
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I am strangely disinterested in going to Chase Field this weekend
even though my kids and I almost always take in at least one game for each series they play in the Valley.
It’s hard to feel good about this series (or ANY series) anymore. Makes me :-(
by trekinaz on Aug 20, 2010 2:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Do you forget Ubaldo is pitching tomorrow night? It's Ubaldo Eve day!!
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Alas, I have softball practice tomorrow @ 6PM
So tomorrow nite is out of the question… and I’m the manager, so I think I have to be there.
by trekinaz on Aug 20, 2010 2:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
just give the reigns to the bench manager....
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 20, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
ha, that's a really interesting point to bring up
by Andrew Martin on Aug 20, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
And if you look at some organizations with 100+ year histories, not even that
Uniforms change, logos change, cities change, ownership changes, team name changes…
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They were talking about this in Washington
when honoring Andre Dawson at a Nats game, interesting subject.
#11
Comes up rather a lot in the Baltimore sports scene
Current Yankees can be traced to the 1890s Baltimore Orioles
Current Orioles were the St Louis Browns prior to 1954, and the Milwaukee Brewers before that
Baltimore Colts became the Indianapolis Colts in 1983 (many now call them the Indianapolis Irsays, claiming at least they should have changed names)
Current Ravens were the Cleveland Browns prior to 1996
So darn near anytime a former player is honored or passes away, some sports writer starts waxing poetic or ranting on this topic.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." ~Earl Weaver
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Not to be too OT: but this
notion pretty much sums up how I’ve felt about the Broncos since Shanny left and now with Gen R breaking up.
What will be the new identity?
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Hot Dogs.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
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Good point
Maybe only the destination harbor is the same. But it’s the same for all of the teams – does that make them all interchangeable?
Hell no.
So what makes the Rockies the Rockies? Is it just what each player and city and fan… What’s the word?
Jubal Early: “Imbue. That’s the word I was looking for.”
No
Looked it up. I encountered the idea when reading Locke.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 20, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh...Heath Bell. /shakes head
You are such a nice guy, but dude, maybe some Adderall will help you think before you speak.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/19/padres-excited-about-soccer-padres-players-not-so-/
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So then are we rooting for the Giants or the Cards tonight?
You know because I, stupidly, think we can pull off another miracle……
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And that principle being...?
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Makes sense
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I'm rooting for the Rockies and Orioles, and against the Yankees
and I don’t give a flying [dammit Russ] what any other team does :-)
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Well you're not a very fun scoreboard watcher :P
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Oh my...rumors of Hawpe to the Padres......from Renck...
# I heard San Diego mentioned as it related to Hawpe yesterday. Rangers, Phillies, White Sox, Rays, Giants all potential fits about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
# Pads still need offense, and Hawpe knows division.
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Wow. Wouldn't that be a case of "no good deed goes unpunished"?
Hopefully those rumors don’t pan out, at least not in 2010.
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Meh, I dunno..I doubt they can tell him not to go somewhere..
If we go belly up…This would rather make me chuckle…..
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They can't tell him not to go somewhere now
but they could have sat him on the bench until the end of the season at no additional cost to them (well, the cost would be about 2 weeks of seeing one prospect between now and when the rosters expand, but that’s it). Him playing for a divisional rival before mathematic elimination would be a bit of a slap.
I wouldn’t blame Hawpe personally for doing it, nor would I expect Dan O’down to (Brad has his career to think about) but it would be quite the irony.
At least you’d get to go see him play though
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This is a fact. My two favorite Rockies in Padres uniforms..
That would boggle my mind. But I see what you mean. I suppose maybe they had a gentleman’s agreement.
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All that and scrappy doo too
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
O please let the Padres not get him!
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by Colsportsfan on Aug 20, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Renck's Twitter
Is facepalm worthy at the moment. Because, you know, walks just clog the bases…
by moomacher on Aug 20, 2010 4:56 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah...I have never understood this notion.........
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The thing is that the high OBP guys without power this year
are guys like David DeJesus and our old friend Juan Pierre. Not exactly my idea of base cloggers.
Yay another team meeting! Per Renck
Herrera is there. Tracy has called team meeting. Will be 3rd he’s called and first since at philly last month
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After last night and Hawpe's departure they need one
having had two others in the past month is irrelevant.
They need to go over what the organization’s focus is now (winning this year, evaluating and preparing for next year, or a hybrid) and what’s expected of everyone on the team from here out. As I mentioned last night, this is where the management and the leaders of the team need to step up so things don’t spiral. Very happy to hear Tracy is doing this.
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Also today's lineup....
Rox lineup all 9 homegrown lf ey cf fowler rf smith ss Tulo 3b stew 1b helton c iannetta 2b barmes p rogers
Needs more CarGo, maybe tomorrow….
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sigh....we bring up Herrera
but we let Barmes get the start
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by Colsportsfan on Aug 20, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I was trying to figure this out too
best I came up with is that Rogers is starting. A good win helps his confidence, so you put your best players out there behind him and evaluate your infielders when someone established is pitching. Members of PR will debate who’s “best” between Barmes, EY2, and Herrera perhaps, but I don’t think there’s a question of it in Tracy’s mind.
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Well, switching CarGo to LF
and for the LOVE OF ALL BASEBALL GODS…why is EY2 in LF….arghhhhhhh
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I thought CarGo was still unavailable today
EY2 in lf? Can’t help you there :-)
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Yes I know CarGo is unavailable....why not have Seth in LF and Spilly in RF?
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do that and put EY at 2nd
would make more sense
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by Colsportsfan on Aug 20, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
This is much closer to the lineup I'd have advocated to start the season though.
You know, plus CarGo and minus Barmes
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As frustrating as this team is, I spent last night at the KC/CLe game and that was some seriously BAD baseball
Nix had 3 erros(should have been 4) While the Rox are underachieving, they are not nearly as pathetic these teams. And only 1 starter out of 18 was hitting .300 and 4 were hitting under .200. Makes me appreciate a 86 win team with potential.
ARGGHHHHH!!! My stupid DVR deleted stuff again
This time it was Game 4 from the NLDS last year. I cannot believe this…I even set it to be one that I erase MANUALLY…..
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WTF did you do to anger the baseball gods?
’cause they are seriously ticked at you this week.
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Hell if I know...:(
I’m so pissed.
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Why did you keep game 4 of last year's NLDS?
That was so painful
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 20, 2010 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Because it was the last game of the season
Had the postgame interviews etc.
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Interesting poll on MLBTradeRumors.com
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/poll-brad-hawpes-next-team.html
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over 20% of voters chose "other". About the only other playoff bound team not listed was the Yankees.
I highly doubt Brad will sign with someone not in the thick of a pennant race.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Yikes. 165 comments in a rockpile 90 minutes before gametime?
Didn’t we have over 1000 by early afternoon the other day? I hope this isn’t too indicative of the Coors Field attendance numbers the rest of the year….
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I think Hawpe leaving stirred up all the conversation the past couple of days.
Also, I think Muzia and RMN are moving. So that’s like 1/2 the comments right there. But it is unusually quiet. Maybe the game thread will have more people.
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