Wednesday Rockpile: Is De La Rosa in Colorado's Future?
by Jeff Aberle on Aug 25, 2010 6:03 AM MDT
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PrintWell, that was a good win last night, the Rockies' third in a row, no less. As long as this keeps up, the Rockies' run to Rocktober is still alive(five games out of the wild card).
Here's the playoff math as I see it:
As I mentioned in the yesterday's Rockpile comments, it will likely take 92 wins to have a better than average chance of taking the NL Wild Card. This means that the Rockies will need a finishing kick of 27-10 AT MINIMUM to bring back Rocktober. Have the Rockies had any such streak this season? Well, no. Nor have they played well enough to lead me to believe that such a streak is very probable.
However, I am both a believer in the talent level of this team and in the fact that they play very well at Coors Field. Colorado plays 15 of its next 21 (and therefore 22 of its last 37) in Denver, where they've won two of every three they've played. What I'm saying is that the Rockies have a non-zero chance of pulling this thing off.
Both Sportsclubstats and Baseball Prospectus have great playoff odds updated daily in case you were wondering.
Whither Jorge?
However, in the 95% or greater chance that the Rockies aren't playing deep into October, one of the major issues this offseason for Dan O'Dowd and company will be to value Jorge De La Rosa's services against the needs of the club in 2011. As JDLR tells the Denver Post:
"I would love to come back. I really like it here," De La Rosa said. "But I don't know if it makes sense for them to bring me back."
Therein lies the rub. Does it make sense to bring back JDLR next year. He hasn't been healthy for the majority of 2010 (and when he has been on the mound the results haven't been consistent), so it's tough to know what exactly the Rockies have in De La Rosa going forward. The linked article reports that the lefty declined a two-year, $9 million contract before this year.
Colorado already has $48.2 million committed to the 2011 team, which does not include the salary due to players in pre-arbitration or arbitration one-year deals. Included in this unknown future expense will be likely large arbitration-based raises to Ian Stewart (a Super Two player), Jason Hammel, and newfound relief ace Matt Belisle.
This past offseason, those expenses were nearly $20 million towards the 2010 Opening Day payroll. We should expect a smaller number this year due to a reduced number of arb-eligible players and the possibility of a Clint Barmes non-tender. Ultimately, I see the Rockies needing to replace or re-sign anywhere from 3-6 players this offseason (Giambi, Mora, Beimel, JDLR, Francis, Barmes, Olivo). That's Assuming a payroll constraint of around $80-85 million, Colorado will have $12-18 million to spend on these players.
The simplest way would be to exercise Francis' ($7M) and Olivo's ($2.5M) 2011 options, but that leaves the Rockies with about $3-9 million to spend on the other four slots. Colorado could help its situation by finding a taker for Aaron Cook's contract, by getting Francis to sign for less (whether it be for a single or multiple years), and by simply filling holes with the farm system (EY2, Nelson, Matt Reynolds, Chacin, Rogers, etc.). I think that one or more of these eventualities will come to pass (giving the Rockies some extra room to manuever), but there still are two holes to fill: one is a back-up corner infielder to spell Helton (I'm not much of an Eldred believer myself) and the other (more important by far) is finding an impact arm for the rotation.
The thing is, De La Rosa is a great fit for the needs of the 2011 Rockies: a power pitcher with top of the rotation stuff and a lefty to boot. A rotation of Jimenez, JDLR, Hammel, Chacin, Francis sure looks good for next year--but can the Rockies afford it? My thinking is that De La Rosa is the kind of rare talent that you pay for. His skill set is rare, his injury-plagued 2010 might have kept him in Colorado's price range (think 3/$25-30M), and the Rockies' window of contention is still open wide. Now is the time to be spending payroll flexibility on elite talent and rely upon the farm system to provide the depth.
If I'm Dan O'Dowd, I take the plunge on JDLR this offseason.
Other News
Rockies fans key to magic at Coors Field - The Denver Post
Jim Armstrong writes about Colorado's great home performance thus far (40-20).
Betancourt won’t pitch tonight
Armstrong notes that Rafael Betancourt has groin soreness and is out of commission for the near future. This is a similar injury to one that knocked him out for five weeks last year when he was pitching for Cleveland. Let's hope that it isn't quite so serious this time around.
Finally, here are CBS and SBN power rankings. Dobrow at CBS eulogizes the Rockies as his preseason WS pick.
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Well folks, we now have a developing situation regarding the Marlins/Cardinals game that was rained out on August 8th
Since the Cards now have only two off days the rest of the season (September 2nd and September 20th) and Sun Life Stadium is being used on September 2nd for a Florida A&M vs. Miami Hurricnaes game, the Cards and Marlins both decided that they would only make that game up at the end of the season if absolutely necessary. (Why they can’t make this game up on September 20th where both teams have to day off and Sun Life Stadium isn’t being used is beyond me but I digress)
Anyway, with the Cards just 2.5 games behind the Reds in the Central and just one game behind the Phils in the Wild Card race there’s a a very good chance that the August 8th game against the Marlins will have to be played. Now here’s where the problem comes in. On Monday October 4th, (the day after the regular season ends) the Patriots play the Dolphins on a Monday night game in Sun Life Stadium. That means the game between the Cards and the Marlins will have to be moved if it is played which creates the obvious question of “where will it’s new location be?”.
All I can say is that this game better not be played in St. Louis like those Blue Jay games were played in Philly earlier this season. The absolute last thing I want to see right now is more of our wild card competition getting extra games at home; especially when they are 41-23 at Busch Stadium.
This ought to be interesting.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 7:08 AM MDT reply actions
If they can justify giving Toronto three home games in an away stadium, I don't see why they can't justify one more here.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions
See that's the thing
I don’t think they can justify those extra home games they gave the Phils. I still find that whole thing to be complete B.S. If the Rockies got to play three extra games at home like the Phils did I’m willing to bet their record would improve by AT LEAST a game.
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree.
But they don’t.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
With all the problems that happened in Toronto, I think it's clear they were right to move those games.
It’s just a shame that the schedule coincided in the first place, and they couldn’t come up with some other solution.
They could play it at the University of Miami’s field. Or hell, they could find a good high school field in Miami to play the game at. Not like they’ll fill the stands at either place anyway.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Why not move it to Cincy, San Fran, Philly or Colorado depending on who needs the Cards to lose that game?
I’m sure those tickets would sell out in a heartbeat even if it was announced on short notice.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Voting a pessimistic no
But I think it’s one of the biggest of the Rox priorities to do everything they can to sign him to an acceptable deal.
This right here
And I think DOD sees it the same. I have no doubt we’re going to try hard to keep him, but I still think the Mets really overpay and go something like 3/36 or 4/46, and that is not a deal I want the Rox to make at that amount.
not as punny as SDcat00
you dont think the Mets learned from the Ollie fiasco?
Also, Perez had a flashier two years preceding the contract than dlr has, iirc
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 7:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
See the problem with this theory is that you just used "Mets" and "learned" in the same sentence :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Unless
those two words are followed by “poorly.”
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No, I don't think the Mets learned
All the Mets know is that in NY, they have to splash around a lot to keep up with the Yankees in the headlines.
I don’t know that they make this move under a new GM, but if Minaya’s in the house, I fully expect them to go hard after JDLR. And any deal greater than 3/30 at the max is not going to be a good deal for the signing club in this case, imho.
JDLR has awesome stuff, but he’s still no ace. I really hope something like 3/27 gets it done, and if it does, I’m thinking he’ll be a Rockie.
not as punny as SDcat00
but those are counter arguments though
what casual fan has even heard of Jorge de la Rosa? This is the exact wrong pitcher to sign if they want to “make a splash”
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yep
The majority of Talking Chop was disgusted for being held in check by a “fourth or fifth starter” last night.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 9:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I find the folks over at Talking Chop highly amusing
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
the same Talking Chop that wanted Hanson, Heyward, Escobar over Tulo, Cargo, Ubaldo?
because I put them on my list as homers I don’t read anymore
And how about the one guy who thought Escobar alone was better than Tulo?
Boy was he sadly mistaken
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
But that's when you end up with where we're at now with Cook
And I’m still of the opinion that a team like the Mets does something really stupid, and that 3/30 doesn’t even get it down. I seem to recall thinking it’s entirely not out of the realm of possibility that JDLR ends up at 4/42.
not as punny as SDcat00
I want JDLR back too
I think he compliments the rest of the rotation really well
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 7:12 AM MDT reply actions
I agree
I’m hoping maybe we use a younger (cheaper) arm instead of Francis, thus leaving us a little more room for JDLR. I think Ubaldo, JDLR, Hammel, Chacin gives us a solid four that provides a little risk taking at the five spot. Pick up some insurance arms for Colorado Springs and we’re ready to roll!
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I would vote yes.
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 25, 2010 7:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
And...
the sun is shining on the bay now…
I still believe...
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 25, 2010 7:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
are you still in Oakland?
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Awesome....
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The west side of the bay
would be the peninsula.
Nice pic.
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by rockieprogress on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I've kind of found myself flipping on the necessity of JDLR or an equivalent
in recent days. First, because I think like most Rockies fans, I’ve been underestimating just how good Jason Hammel has been for us, and he’s been consistently that good for two years running now. Second, because Jhoulys Chacin is showing that he can be just as potent himself and finally, it’s because I’ve now come to the realization that Esmil Rogers is also a larger upgrade on Aaron Cook then I previously thought.
The one very good reason to go after Jorge is that he’d be a nice LH complement to all these RHP’s and keep opponents from getting used to a certain type of pitcher during a series, but we should be able to get by on that front with just Francis for the most part. A playoff rotation of Jimenez, Chacin and one of the other three still would be daunting and beats what we were using in 2007 and 2009.
My main thing all along has been a necessity to replace Aaron Cook, but now I feel like we can still do that and continue to be a top five (even top 3) NL rotation. Depth becomes a bit of an issue with both Chacin and Rogers in the MLB rotation, but neither was going to be at AAA in 2011 anyway. We’d just have to take a leap of faith that Friedrich/G. Reynolds and whatever minor league signing we make will cover us on that front. So right now I want us to go after Jorge, and give a solid market level offer for him, but I no longer feel it’s necessary for our 2011 playoff chances to re-sign him.
I agree
Chacin and Rogers have shown improvement so I’m also less concerned with the Rockies just filling the void from within if JDLR goes. I think the one thing that will probably not happen is seeing the Rox go out and getting an impact starter in free agency. Like you said, its more of a gamble if we rely on Rogers and Chacin to take heavy loads next year and get significant wins, but they are impressing now. Lets just hope they sign JDLR but its not the end of 2011 if they don’t.
I'm pretty comfortable
with Ubaldo (duh), Hammel and Chacin in the 1-2-3 spots, and I’m actually getting quite comfortable with the thought of Rogers in the rotation as well. To me the issue is the fifth spot. Sign JdlR, exercise Francis’ option or re-sign him under a new deal, keep Cook or sign somebody else?? If the money’s right, JdlR is clearly the first choice. If not, I wouldn’t mind seeing Francis back at the right price. I have a feeling that it may come down to not having any good options to deal with Cookie and too much money tied up in him to not give him the first shot at that fifth slot in the rotation, though….
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
For me the key is that the Rockies have enough money leftover for a bat that can hit on the road
That’s what this team is missing more than anything
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
And the people said A-MEN!!
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I think we need either Francis
or DLR back, and I would much rather see DLR back to be honest, but if wants way more than he is worth, I am OK with Francis as the 4-5 starter.
#11
It seems like the rotation will look different depending on whether its Francis or DLR back
I see it being Ubaldo, JDLR, Hammel, Chacin, Cook or Rogers if they resign JDLR
or Ubaldo, Hammel, Chacin, Francis, Cook or Rogers.
Its just clear Hammel and Chacin have to step up because they’ll be facing much tougher opponents in opposing rotations. While they do seem capable, it is a gamble so its pretty clear how different our rotation can be with JDLR.
Not necessary for our 2011 playoff chances, perhaps
but a large part of my argument is that JDLR is exactly the sort of talent that the Rockies need to be locking up through their window of contention to potentially extend it past 2013-14.
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by Jeff Aberle on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess what I was trying to say is that I agree to a point
and that point is lower in salary/years than it would have been two weeks ago before I really started looking into it. I think a lot will have to do with how Rogers finishes this season, I find it interesting and somewhat telling that the Rockies are setting it up to give him more of a look than Chacin with the pending Cook and Francis returns. Cook’s scheduled to return Sep. 2, a Chacin start, Francis still isn’t on a timetable.
this is exactly what I think's the case...
I think they’re pretty sure Chacin’s the real deal, like everybody else, they just aren’t sure what they have in Esmil and are going to give him a long chance to prove himself.
I like that
But I actually think they should just bring Cook up to be a long reliever at most. I love the guy but Chacin just deserves the starts and could use the experience unless he’s getting high in IP. I don’t know what his ceiling should be this year.
I think they're also wanting Cook to show he's healthy and valuable
to boost their chances of trading him in the offseason. It would be hard for him to do that as a long reliever.
Yeah you're right
Since they still have a glimmer of hope left I’d rather Chacin be in there, but he’s at 130 IP including the minors and last year he pitched 117 so might as well not overwork him since we’re looking to 2011 more now.
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The Rockies developed a different shaped bat, identical to ones in use now, but one quarter of the round edge long ways was sanded down. This somehow was approved and given to Clint Barmes. The idea is that it increases bat speed (less weight) and eliminates the area on the bat for popups when the flat spot of the bat is on the top of the bat during a swing. Sure, it increases strikeouts, but as we have seen, Barmes’ OBP is better on K’s than popups anyway
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 7:39 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
haha!!
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 25, 2010 7:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Rockies are even considering paying Francis $7 mil
(i.e., exercising his option), then their $4.5 mil/yr offer to JDLR for 2 years
was ridiculously low. JDLR is a better pitcher than Francis, period.
Decline Francis’ option, use the $ (and anything that can be saved by moving Cook, who’ll require a partial salary-eating) to offer JDLR what he’s worth (probably $15 mil for 2 years on the open market), and put the best possible starting 5 out there: Jiminez,
JDLR, Chacin, Hamel and Cook (or Rogers, if anyone will take Cook, which I doubt).
I hesistate to disagree with Rox Girl on anything, because she’s usually right, but
I don’t see the Rockies having a Top 3 or even Top 5 NL rotation. They’re currently
a distant 3rd in the West Division, with SD and SF both having superior starters.
I don’t think they’re up with the Phillies, Braves, or Cardinals, either, and maybe not
the Reds. But if Chacin turns out to be as good as I think he is, and JDLR is brought back, then they’re at or near those teams’ level. But with Cook and Francis in the rotation? No
Mediocrity sucks
San Diego does not have better starters
I’m sure their ERA is better, but that’s just a bad stat to use when comparing a staff who calls the lowest run environment home park (by far) to the one with the highest. With park effects considered, our rotation is #1 in the national league as is. Even if I give you Latos=Ubaldo, I take the next four starters for the Rockies over the Padres’ foursome.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 7:53 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn straight. Every day of the week and twice on Sundays. It’s starting to get to the point where folks are forgetting this and just respecting the winning that the Padres are doing, but this is a SPECTACULAR fluke, one of the great flukes in baseball history, the team equivalent of Norm Cash’s 1961 season or Darin Erstad’s 2000.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
This is not a fluke the Padres are putting together
They are 75-49 this year in 124 games and if you take their 24-14 record in their last 38 games last year to get their record in the last 162 games they have played we are talking about a 99-63 team here. You can say they overachieved here but by no means is this a complete fluke. Instead I view this as a MASSIVE failure on the part of SABERMETRICS to identify even a possibility that this team might be decent, nevermind approaching 100 wins in their last 162 games.
I feel that instead of calling them a fluke, we need to realize how good they are (maybe they are not a 100 win team but they are still very solid) and the SABER community needs to get back to the drawing board on what makes a good team because that “good bullepn and clutch hitting are not what you should build your team around” argument has been decimated by the season the Padres are having
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, but it's very hard to build a team around "clutch hitting"
it’s such a fungible “skill” that you can’t really use these Padres as a shining example of how to build a low budget success story. In that regard, they are a fluke (or at least a severe outlier).
I’m not calling the team itself a fluke, I am calling the construction of the roster and their extreme success a fluke. They get the job done, but 99 times out of 100 this type of team will not succeed.
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nice use of "fungible" Matt
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you must have been in a fugue state
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fantastic
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
99 times out of 100 this type of team will not succeed.
Are you trying to tell me that this team would win at least eight fewer games than they have in their last 162 (I consider 92 games or more really successful) 99 times out of 100? I have a hard time believing that. Maybe they are really an 88-90 win team but there is not way this is that much of a fluke.
And I think they did build their team around scrappy players and clutch hiting. For instance, I think Torrealba is a clutch hitter and a great guy to have around in a big spot. Adding players like that makes a difference.
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I am saying that exactly.
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Dunno Matt
is it possible to have a “fluke year”? in baseball with so many games played? That’s quite the statistical anomaly.
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Dunno
If the Padres were so much chopped liver, the clutch hitters wouldn’t matter. 8th inning RsBI don’t matter so much if you’re losing 10-2.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
If you have a great bullpen clutch hitting matters because that means you are going to dominate the later innings
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
But what I'm saying
is that people want to say the Padres aren’t any good, and playing over their head.
But they are at least good enough that they can be in games long enough to get to their strengths: bullpen and freaky ability to get the late hit.
If they were as bad as everyone was making them out to be at the beginning of the year, the bullpen and fistpumpz wouldn’t be a factor, because they wouldn’t be in the game.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah I see
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m going to again refer you to Norm Cash in 1961 and Darin Erstad in 2000. Or Brady Anderson in 1996. It happens all the time.
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wasn't Anderson juiced out of his mind?
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That only serves to refute my point if you think that 1996 was the only year of Brady Anderson’s life that he used steroids.
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Nope.....I do believe Anderson was one of the first to really exploit it however
at that point there was still alot of pitchers who werent roiding up.
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but his explosion should have lasted more than just one season though
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I'll go further and say that Anderson should have been the
first warning sign of steroid use. Considering his lifetime home run average was less than half that.
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Because something like that never, ever happened before.
Check out Davey Johnson’s 1973. Sometimes fluke HR spikes do occur.
This doesn't refute the supposition that Brady's
home runs were steriod induced. In fact, since Anderson was one of the first mega roid users….I think that helps the case. Things change when people catch up to you.
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What it does refute is that it was the clarion
you made it out to be with your previous comment of rampant ‘roid abuse. To me, that was probably more likely seen in the early 90’s with entire teams in Oakland and Texas.
here we go again
Steriods don’t help you hit home runs.
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Steroids don’t magically make you a good baseball player, but they damn sure help you hit the ball further. You’re both right and wrong.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
This.
I don’t see how the argument that steroids don’t help hit HRs can stand up when you look at the career leaderboard.
Don't poke that's hornet's nest :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
that’s that
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
(psst...look for the Yankee diatribe opportunity here
The Rockies need to win again tonight)
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I hate the ******* Yankees
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
yaya
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Especially that A-Roid dude
and the way they can just buy championships every year…. :-D
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
They don't help you hit the ball that much further.
Even in Bonds case – the year he hit 71 was such a statistical outlier – much like when Maris hit 61 (and he had help by expansion of the league as well as this was the 1st year 162 games were played).
And if you look at his stats (minus the outlier year of 71 and his injury plagued end of his carrer) he was just really consistent at making pitchers pay for their mistakes.
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Bonds wouldn’t have hit 73 home runs if he weren’t one of the 10 most talented baseball players of all time. Bonds wouldn’t have hit 73 home runs at the age of 36 without the help of sweet, delicious steroids.
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Wrong.
There is no scientific proof that steroids help you hit more homeruns.
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/Grabs popcorn
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
wait are you suggesting that Torrey and CDI
didn’t use steroids to not hit homeruns farther?
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No.....
Saying that more roid discussion here should be treated akin to the Great Catcher Wars of 2009.
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
meh...I dunno....
but where does the Yankee debate on the scale of GCW 2009
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That's hard to say
There were fewer people involved but I think it was just as heated
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Don’t bother. I’m not about to continue this argument because it was mind-bogglingly dumb the first time.
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Show me scentific proof
that steroids help you hit more home runs. And I will gladly say that you are right.
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Show me proof that steroids don’t increase strength and muscle mass. And then show me proof that increased strength and muscle mass don’t lead to the ability to exact more force upon an object like, say, a pitched baseball.
GOD THIS IS SO ABSURD
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/Grabs popcorn again
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
stop hogging all the popcorn
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Make me :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't make me fly out to Rhode Island
/checks flights
/checks prices
/checks checking account
Dammit
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Can you pass me the white cheddar?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
/Hands white cheddar popcorn over to Junction Rox
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank you RIRF
/shows Cat what you can get when you ask nicely
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate you both
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See
Comments like this are why you have no popcorn
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I have my own popcorn
thank you very much. And after I shared my popcorn with everyone last week, including toppings.
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I have my own popcorn
thank you very much. And after I shared my popcorn with everyone last week, including toppings.
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wow..triple post jeepers
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I have my own popcorn
thank you very much. And after I shared my popcorn with everyone last week, including toppings.
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No you don't
you want to, but you just can’t.
We’re too damn lovable…
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Especially when we point out how much of an advantage the teams with money have
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
^250 million
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
^250 million
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
They do.
But they act more strongly on upper body strength. And upper body strength does not mean more homeruns – it just means bigger arms.
At most they give you an extra 3 or 4 feet of flight.
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BOOM
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn it, fail.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice.
Thanks. I like Alan Nathan. He’s written a lot of good papers.
I’d like to add that I think added upper body strength means that hitters can make better adjustments mid-swing and wait longer before starting their swing, both of which will help hit homers.
read this
Actual Baseball Effects of PEDs
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I have read it. Read it when Posnanski wrote about it. And I feel like saying ‘Steroids have minimal if any effect on baseball performance’ is hopelessly naive. It’s like Homer Simpson says – you can use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true. And it’s true that steroids are not magic beans that make you a great baseball player, because otherwise I would have eaten steroid salad three meals a day and currently be pitching in the big leagues. But they damn sure assist in changes in one’s body that assist in helping with hitting dingers.
It’s not a straight line from steroids to dingers. There are points in between.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I recall stumbling across this page a while back
but upon rereading it, I think the author has picked his conclusion and is trying to shape the data to back it up. That’s not uncommon, but it means that I don’t trust his analysis as much as others’.
Maria
a) steroids don’t just work on the upper body
b) home runs aren’t purely hit with lower body strength (try holding the bat in your mouth and hitting a dinger)
c) where’s the proof they DON’T work if you’re going to try throwing that one around
d) your certainty without evidence makes your argument look trite and unproven. I certainly don’t believe you. What’s your agenda? You obviously have one.
Please
Why aren’t you all over the guys from the 60’s and 70’s how were amped up on amphetamines?
And here – read this and LEARN
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Uh I think you'll find we all are amphetamines are bad, mkay
But thanks for linking the article that makes you an expert. Did you forget about the quicker recovery, training effects etc etc? Or did your agenda get in the way?
really?
so should all the guys that broke records in those eras be labled as cheaters and banned from the Hall?
And what agenda do I have?
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That's what I keep asking
What agenda do you have? Some kind of need for statistical purity to be maintained, I don’t know!
I have no agenda.
(well besides the gay one)
Just seems everyone is quick to jump on steriods being the only reason why homerun totals come up. There could have been other plausible causes like a change in the way the baseball was produced.
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I agree there could have been other
plausible causes like a change in the way the baseball was produced that exacerbated the problem but that in no way is proof that steroids don’t help you hit home runs.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Did you read this study
http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/html/00-1025.htm
Now that will help you hit more home runs.
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I agree that the balls were juiced and that they help you HR's
but steroids helping you hit HR’s are a serarate issue only connected by the fact that these two events occured at the same time.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
But which one had
a larger impact on the game and the records?
And should the players be the only ones who come out looking like bad guys – or should MLB or the ball manufacturer be taking a lot of heat too…because they arent.
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I think both had huge impacts on the records
The problem is that with the players we know exactly who to direct our anger at, with the ballmakers that’s much more difficult.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess this is where
I have an issue…There is proof that the ball has changed – yet that doesn’t get nearly as much attention as steroids does…And why hasn’t that ball issue been more closely examined?
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I think this is a very fair question
Even if the story is not as juicy as the steroid use, this should get more recognition because it was certainly a major player in this most recent offensive era.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow that pun was not intended
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I think there's a good reason for that
The media has a very strong interest in seeing the game continue and do well. Especially the national outlets that also carry the game. It’s a lot easier for them to throw some players under the bus (hell, it even makes a bajillion story opportunities for them) than to come out and say that the sport itself is being manipulated and tampered with by the people in charge.
Personally, I think both factors were in play. A lot.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed.
It sucks that the players are the only ones being crucified in the media – while MLB and Rawlings are getting a free pass.
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I just abhor cheating
I’m more bothered by the players making a considered choice to cheat than I am on the drugs actually helping them.
I can’t come up with a comprehensive plan to fix baseball past and present, I just don’t want players to cheat.
Is there really a gay pro-roid agenda? I am losing touch :)
Gay Guys love
ripped abs…so probably…
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Must be why Jersey Shore gets viewers
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
From what I can tell
that entire argument is based on the idea that MLB has a secret conspiracy to “juice” the ball. They added a synthetic rubber ring, but denied doing so. Once you “account” for the juiced ball (i.e. adjust all of the power factor numbers) then there is not increase in the steroids era. Gee, look at that.
So you read the other evidence
on the site or links to studies that show steriods have little to do with hitting home runs?
Or the stuff about the balls being constructed differently – using actual balls from different eras to prove it?
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the point i have never seen for some reason regarding steroids is good health
Over 162 game season, everyone is sore, aching and tired. But steroids help injuries heal faster. Whether a player has blown out his elbow, strained a quad or just is aching and sore from a long season, steroids help, especially when you’re 36. A guy with a refreshed body undoubtedly has an advantage of your typical player 100 games in.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Now, F26, I know you're a rabblerouser
but let’s not take to insults.
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AWWWWW
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Well even if I did want to engage – and for God’s sake, it might be unavoidable no matter how I try – I gotta be on the radio in an hour anyway, so this thing’s got a built in shelf life.
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You have a nice timeslot
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, when you’re the program director, you get to make those decisions. My only regret is that I didn’t give myself the entire 9-noon slot so I can talk over Colin Blowhard.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
HAHA nice
I loved doing radio. I miss it on days when I’m pissed off :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Also Jose Bautista's year this season
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
LOLAtlanta
At the time, there was talk that moving to a “high altitude” park in Atlanta was at least partially to blame for that power explosion. That’s why I find it amusing now to hear Bravos fans whining about the altitude in Denver….
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I think that’s a tough call. Because baseball people love the unexpected (Padres season excluded). I remember people loving the story of the year he was having.
I think it’s more of an after the fact, “of course he was juicing” thing, after all the other steroid scandals have been brought to light.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Dykstra should have spelled out roids to everyone...
Rafeal Palmerior going from a 50 dbls 12 homer outfielder in Wriggly to a 35 homer slugging 1B in texas old stadium should have been another
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There's a huge difference between one player and a whole team.
Admittedly a lot has to go right for a team to surge in the standings but that means that except for the Yankees, most winning teams are flukes.
Go Bruce!
I think there's a lot of truth to this statement.
With 30 teams, there are bound to be some that overperform and underperform their talent levels. If you have a team that is better than average to begin with, and then plays even better than their talent would predict, there is a good chance they will go to the playoffs.
Not as huge as you seem to think.
Entire teams absolutely get flukey, and it happens fairly frequently. It’s why a lot of people initially discounted the 2007 Rockies. When we returned to the playoffs in 2009, it validated our legitimacy. Likewise for the Padres, it will be what they do in the next couple of seasons that will determine their 2010 legitimacy. I definitely think people should expect a regression next season.
Agree
But now the key question is how much of a regression
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
For single players, absolutely
It seems to me that the probability of an entire team putting together a fluky run over that long a period is a lot lower. OTOH, I still don’t look at that Padres team and see a true 100 win team.
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
to expand on my point
I am not saying it’s impossible for THIS Padres team to have the same level of success 99 times out of 100, I am saying that using them as a model for low budget success will NOT have this level of success 99 times out of 100.
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Well.....I think those two things are mutually exclusive
while low budget success is generally not a rule….I think it’s possible to find the right combination of ball park + players. Maybe that’s what the Pads were going for all along.
They don’t match up well with the Rockies is all I know.
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The odds of having one outlier that extreme are about as good as Jason Giambi winning a "Make Me a Beauty Contest"
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
how much of a fluke were the 2007 D-backs that won 91?
That was probably a .500 team at best. Teams can win 10 or more games over their true talent level in a 162 game stretch.
I actually think the 07 D'backs were the biggest fluke of all
Getting outscored by 20 runs and winning 90 games is pretty incredable.
However I think the SABER folks missed the Pads by about 30 games so even if they are a 10 game fluke team, that still means SABER missed this team’s talent by 20 games and that to me is the bigger issue here.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm in agreement, everybody whiffed on the Padres projection this year.
Part of that is because a key point of their strength (not unlike the 2007 D-backs, but less flukey) is their bullpen and the value of pens are consistently underrated by SABR types.
Well one time out of one (this year) they're getting the job done.
Plus the Padres are winning on the road. So no fluke. Unless, you say that all winning teams who put together a better season than they’re “supposed to” (’07 and ’09 Rox) are a fluke.
Go Bruce!
“Supposed to” doesn’t have anything to do with preseason predictions, here.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
This team has one regular with an OPS over .800 (OK, two if you count Chris Denorfia who is having the year of his life) and a bunch of veteran starters and who-dat relievers pitching over their heads thanks to some quality defense and the friendliest pitchers park not named ‘Yellowstone’. Sorry, that’s a fluke.
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Who is the bigger fluke then 2007 rox or 2010 padres?
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The Pads. Not even close. The way the Rockies closed the season was pretty flukey, but good teams will go on red-hot streaks like that over the course of a 162-game season and the Rockies happened to time theirs just right. That team had a very good lineup, a deep bullpen, and quality starting pitching. They beat the 2010 Padres in a seven-game series probably 95 out of 100 times.
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I think you're exaggerating on the wind percentage by a lot, but yeah the 2007 Rockies were the better team.
I’d say six out of ten times.
What was the Rox ERA and defensive percentage in 2007 compared to 2010 Padres
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Rockies ERA+, 2007: 112
Padres ERA+, 2010: 111
I don’t know what defensive percentage you’re talking about.
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I know the Rockies had something like a .998 ...I don't remember the name of the statistic
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fielding percentage, most likely
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That’d be fielding percentage. It’s not terribly instructive, but .989 is your answer for both teams.
And then there’s this:
Rockies OPS+, 2007: 98
Padres OPS+, 2010: 101
So yeah, that’s what the 85-point difference in team OPS represents in those terms as opposed to how the 1.07 difference in ERA is represented. I guess my point is that I think those stats are pretty wrong.
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Okay then
If they could play the 2010 season 1,000 times, how many wins do you think the Padres would average?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I think this is fair
That still makes them a contender though
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
So if you think their true talent level is around 86 wins
and they are on pace for 98, that means they are almost exactly two standard deviations greater than their expected number of wins (assuming a binomial distribution is appropriate). That does seem like a lot, but it’s not impossible.
youre kind of discrediting your own argument
The pitchers are pitching over their head in part due to petco, but you’re not using park adjusted offensive numbers to give their hitters the same credit with which you are discrediting their pitchers.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate the park adjusted stats that are available, generally. I think they are far too extreme. But, to be complete, the Padres have four regulars (five if you count Ludwick) with OPS+ over 100. The Rockies have six if you count Brad Hawpe.
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I guess my point is if you’re 13th in the league in OPS your offense sucks no matter where you’re playing your home games.
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And yet they still have the best record in the NL
Wish we had that problem
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If we didn’t play like dog crap on the road over the last month we just might. The whole point of this exercise hasn’t been to discredit the Padres record because it is what it is, and good for them. It’s just to say that they have been unusually and perhaps historically fortunate based upon their talent level.
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That 9 game losing streak was the killer.
I was thinking about it this morning. If they had won just three of those games, they’d be in the thick of the wild card chase right now. As it is, they’re on the outside edge of the picture.
I was thinking something similar this morning
if you take just the 2 road trips where they went 4-13 combined and have them play just at their road winning % for the rest of the season (21-27, .438) they would have another 3 wins and be just 2 back in the wild card.
They really just killed themselves with the games they let get away on those trips. Not that I’m admitting it’s over yet…..
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
But is it really unusual? They won what 39 games at the end of last season
and have played pretty much the same style of baseball….I think nobody paid attention and thought that was a nice little fluke. Is it really a fluke if you continue the same process with similar results?
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The Royals had a pretty nice September in 2009, too. I don’t think what one team does at the end of one season is terribly instructive as to what they’re capable of the next season. Too many variables.
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But perhaps in this one case it was and we all missed it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
My point is that the Padres started pitching better, playing better defense
and generally doing the “small ball” thing throughout the latter half of 2009. Because they tanked so badly in the 1st half they couldn’t compete. They are continuing to play the same type of baseball now as they did then….
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A fluke is defined as "an accidental advantage or stroke of good luck"
so I guess how long it lasts is up for debate.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
You really think San Diego's rotation is better?
Really? Latos, Richard, Garland, LeBlanc, Correia? You would take them over our rotation… straight up trade, right now?
Over a rotation with Cook and Francis in it?
Yes.
With JDLR and Chacin? No
After nearly 1.5 seasons of success, I’m past the “Padres are a fluke” theory.
Their rotation, and their bullpen, have been consistently better than the Rockies
since mid-season last year. That’s why they’re so far in front of us that we
can barely see them in the Div. standings.
Mediocrity sucks
The Padres bullpen has been the best in the MLB, bar none
They’re successful because of that and their very underrated offense, but the rotation is absolutely flukey. Garland isn’t much better than Cook historically, and LeBlanc is easily worse than Francis. Correia’s a decent bottom of the rotation starter and you’d be trading him out for Hammel or JDLR after those first two exchanges. That’s ludicrous.
Correia and Garland = Cook and Francis
So no way I atke that deal. Because it’s really Richard & LeBlanc for JDLR and Hammel.
The Padres are no fluke, but their rotation is simply not as good as ours. It’s just not.
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I think you still may be underratingFrancis and Cook in this.
As you have two pitchers with career x-FIP’s under 4.50 for the Rockies and two over it with the Padres. If you include their contracts and injury history, then the Padres duo makes up the ground and then some, I don’t know if you were including that, but just on a talent to talent basis Francis/Cook > Correia/Garland.
I could be, but what I'm definitely saying is Correia and Garland...
….are certainly not an improvement over Cook and Francis.
I’m not really focusing on contracts here, just on what’s a better rotation, talent and performance-wise.
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It seems like no one would want Cook now but Francis' future looks promising
Hopefully Cook gets the bite on his sinker back, but it hasn’t been consistent since 08 right? Francis looks like he can contribute in 2011 though.
I agree with this...
It’s not that I totally dislike Cook, either. I think he’d be a considerable upgrade for a lot of teams in the lower part of their rotations, it’s just that for the Rockies,
his skills have been eclipsed by younger and cheaper talent.
We’ll see today how he fares against the Braves, but at this point I think the best option for what to do with Esmil Rogers is to give him an every five days job, and if it came down to a situation where the Rockies were forced to trade him because they couldn’t find a taker for Cook, it would be a real hit for the franchise. After that, I think you keep one of Francis or JDLR, but use the money for the other one on another bat.
I should also clarify
I think no one wants cook AND his salary. Yes I agree Cook could shore up the end of a lot of rotations, including ours, but his production doesn’t match the salary right now.
I unfortunately haven’t seen any of Rogers starts, just seen him pitch out of the bullpen. I’ve heard concerns about him being a starter because he mostly utilizes two pitches and would need a third. Does he throw fastball/slider? I know he hits 95. Sounds like a change would be great but I’m guessing he doesn’t have one?
fastball, slider, curveball and he just has a show-me change
that he doesn’t use often (@5%), but that’s four pitches, his curve and FB are his two most valuable pitches currently, he just needs a lot more command of the latter and his slider, but he could be a solid #2 at his ceiling, he has a very high likelihood of only getting to a #3 or #4 level though given the lack of command.
That sounds better than I thought
He’s looked more mature on the mound too, and if he develops into a 3 or 4 given that we have Chacin (hopefully slides into the #2 spot after 2011) then we’re sitting pretty for a while. Especially if they Resign JDLR. I’m starting to hope Rogers is the #5 in the rotation next season if he keeps improving.
How much of Cook's 2011 salary do you think the Rockies would be willing to eat?
It seems like it would depend on how much of an upgrade Rogers is. If he’s a 1 WAR upgrade, then I guess they should be willing to eat about $4M of Cook’s salary. Actually, I’m not sure that’s right, but the question remains: what would they have to do to move Cook?
I've been trying to look into that.
One option would be to do a Jason Marquis trade in reverse, say for somebody like LaTroy Hawkins (due $4 million) to try and shore up the bullpen. I realize that idea won’t be popular, but it’s out there and the most likely type of trade we’d be able to do.
One idea that could be popular would be to try and swing a trade for somebody like Jose Guillen (due $14 million) but this sort of deal’s relatively unlikely.
Oof, no Guillen please.
But the general idea sounds good.
the guy would be a serious upgrade on Mora,
and somewhat ideal for a Helton back-up/platoon, plus he’d get along with our already strong Venezuelan contingent. A vastly overpriced upgrade/ideal platoon mate/ clubhouse guy, but we’d get a lot more value out of him than Cook next season.
He’d probably play a better second base than Mora, too.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Jose Guillen is Dominican, is he not?
Not that that would not be grounds for getting along with our Venezuelan ranks. I’m just confused.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
There's a reason Jose Guillen's been on about 13 major league teams in 10 years
And getting along with your teammates doesn’t seem to be one of his strong suits, because no one’s ever sorta fought to keep him on their team.
It’s one thing for a middle inning bullpen guy to change teams every year, but if that many teams got rid of Guillen that often, there’s some serious alarm bells going off in my head.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to think that Rox Girl may have meant Carlos Guillen.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, that makes a lot more sense.
I was trying to imagine Jose Guillen at second base but my mind was just refusing to acknowledge such an atrocity.
Well, Roy Oswalt did play leftfield....
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
And made a catch..
although I would trust Oswalt’s LF play more than Guillen at 2b..Pitchers do shag quite well you know
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Not as much as utility players
Mora’s got more kids than any pitcher I know…
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
/zing
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Ah, that would make some sense
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh tay
Still not sure I’d actually want Carlos Guillen, but yeah, this is a whole nother enchilada.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
This changes everything
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was wondering how we would pry Jose Guillen
from the clutches of the hated Giants…
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Ozzie Guillen?
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Our team would get a huge personality boost.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
+30 Vulgarity
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
No more "he's a special player"
more like “he’s a m*#)($(@#)in special g*##)$%n player” (followed up with a couple shots at the front office and MLB in general…)
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I almost want Ozzie to take on Manny
this would be a thing of beauty to behold…Can you imagine Brad Hawpe in that clubhouse?
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I'm just trying to picture some of the conversations those two might have
Comedy Gold
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Throw in Chris Carpenter.
Guillen: You did not HUSSAHHH out there Manny, sit yo’ ass down on mah bench!
Ramirez: Spleesh, I mean, I tried to get to the ball, I mean, but it was far away from me and I can’t, I mean, run that fast.
Guillen: WHATEVAAAAH, I did non want you on mah team anyway, you floppy mass of $#^^$#$^$$^.
Ramirez: I don’t need this, I mean, uh, fine, whatever. I mean, I don’t care.
Carpenter: Shut the hell up. I’m trying to wash my hands. Having an argument in the clubhouse is entirely unprofessional. Unless you’re me.
White Sox win 30 more games this season, but miserable all the way
Cardinals Fans: Wait, why did we trade Carpenter?
Carpenter: Your fanbase is lame.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh he's more douchey than I thought.
It’s all good as long as you don’t swear…I hate that
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I'm sure Chris Carpenter has said "Shut the hell up" before.
Besides, I took special care to make him say “lame” instead of “#$^$^” at the end. :p
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I miss LaTroy.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Offense.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Offense:
Padres: 22.9 WAR
Rockies: 13.6 WAR
Pitching:
Rockies: 19.9
Padres: 12.6
There’s your discrepancy.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Padres' road record: 38-27
Rockies’ road record: 25-40
There’s your discrepancy.
The Pads’ players, not an impressive lot generally except for A-Gon and Latos,
can play baseball on the road as well as at home. The Rockies players’ can’t,
most of them.
All the WAR, UZR, “Pythagorean wins” & the rest don’t mean squat when your division opponent has a 13-game edge on you on the road.
Mediocrity sucks
It's the same thing.
Our offensive WAR is so low precisely because the don’t perform on the road, whereas the Padres do.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
All the WAR, UZR, "Pythagorean wins" & the rest don’t mean squat when your division opponent has a 13-game edge on you on the road.
It’s not what WAR and UZR ‘mean’, it’s what they help explain.
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I give the Pads BP the credit for the road wins
not their starters. Analyze their road game logs and you’ll see they have an uncanny ability to hold the one run late lead on the road.
Bleed purple
And yet that doesn't address at all the fact that the Rox' rotation is a Top 3 rotation
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thats what is irritating
We have won all four series against them, two at petco. They are who we thought they were! At least against us
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 8:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's everyone else's fault?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
That the Padres are winning.
Not that we’re not winning.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
A team can easily have a Top 3 rotation and still be barely .500
Yes, in the end, the only “stat” that matters is your team’s record. Because that’s what determines what kind of season you had.
However, a team’s record actually says nothing at all about how a team got to that record.
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The standings and scoreboard
would say that the Giants rotation is not as good as the Braves, Reds or Padres, then.
I’m not sure it’s that easy…
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by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
That said, I'm agreeing w/ Cook
I think he takes the rotation down to a second tier, but it’s looking more and more like Rogers could be a legitimate half run/9IP or more upgrade, which is huge and would leave the Rockies on a par with the Giants. I think you underestimate just how good our pitchers have been lately.
I voted "no" but if I was DOD I'd go right back and offer the same 9MM JDLR's people turned down.
Betcha they’d give it some thought considering his injury this year.
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Yes please on DLR.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 8:52 AM MDT reply actions
But to what degree do people think taking Francis’ option and signing DLR are mutually exclusive?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
for keeping them both in 2011, it's absolutely a mutually exclusive thing I think
but I also think that it would be possible to trade Francis at or near his $7 million figure for 2011, seeing as it would be a one year thing. If you decline the option and then attempt to re-sign him, it will be for more than one season, and that’s where it would be difficult to trade the contract.
Given our nice jump in attendance this year...
….no reason to think it’s mutually exclusive at all. Also, given how much of Todd’s 2011 $$$ is now deferred.
not as punny as SDcat00
I think it's mutually exclusive because of the Aaron Cook contract and the bigger need for offense the team has
The Rockies are not going to come out in the black in getting rid of Cook, and they’re going to have to if they have both JDLR and Francis as well to give Chacin a deserved slot.
I agree
I would be shocked if both JDLR and Francis are on the roster next opening day.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I would be surprised if the total payroll changed much
regardless of this year’s attendance. That is particularly true if it limits their payroll flexibility down the road.
I think the FO sees a 2-3 year window, and won’t load up payroll on any given year.
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Well, if they were as good as the Yankees management
they could win no matter what their budget.
9 mil over 2 years is seriously low balling JDLR
Lets look at where he was heading PRE injury…..3-1….low era. That home opener start was a thing of beauty. Last night was a thing of beauty.
I think we become so enamored with young talent that we forget we have a pitcher in the prime of his career right in front of us….make it a 3 year offer, with an arbitration option for 7 to 8 mil a year….yes it’s pricey….JDLR may not even go for it….but I think it’s worth the shot.
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I agree with this range as something that may be possible to get him back in,
I’d offer something around that amount as well.
3 years for 7-8m a year doesn't get it done
Seriously, he is likely going to end up getting at least 3/30.
If we can get him for 3/27, it would be a minor miracle.
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Why don't we pick up Francis's option
and wait for DLR’s price to drop? If someone’s about to sign him for a reasonable contract, jump in there and see what you can do, if a team’s offering 3/36, well there’s nothing you can do, and just thank your lucky stars you got one lefty. I don’t want to see the Rockies screw this up and end up with either one really overpriced lefty or none at all.
I think I like this strategy.
If they end up getting them both but need to cut payroll, they could package Francis in a trade for prospects. That option should be a good deal for his production, so another team might be willing to give up something at least halfway decent. And like you said, at least you’re guaranteed to get one.
Neither
You do whatever it takes to boot Cook out and save a few million. Keeping Rogers in the pen as a long man is not the worst thing that could happen, and history tells us that 99% of the time, at least one of the five starters will either fail or get injured. Let’s not solve a good problem by kicking every single player that doesn’t make the rotation out.
I think you pick up Francis' option for one reason
That is, if he’s healthy, he’s actually pitching to the level of a $7m player. The option is not a poor value for him. I’m not at all sold on Rogers as a rotation pitcher at this point, anyway.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes but the Phils lost in wild and crazy fashion and at this point that's almost as good as a Rockies win so your birthday still proved awesome again
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, you need to work on that.
We need more of those fantastic wins.
Well Happy Unbirthday then
Maybe if we celebrate that the Rockies will win everyday
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
OT: Gentle reminder that all singers need to be warming up for tonights Karaoke
9:30….Reivers
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9:30 eh
I’ll be there! Should I wear sequins or…
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I’ll be wearing a black Batman shirt and shorts
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I think Jim Tracy owes me about $250
for diagnosing their co-dependency problems yesterday or the day before.
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How about tickets to all the Rockies remaining road games instead
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I need travel money too..
I can’t get there otherwise….but yes I think that is much better compensation.
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Did everyone read this
Reasons to still watch the Colorado Rockies
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So what's the fallout from the PhilliePhail last night?
Did John Kruk’s head explode or implode…(either way works for me)
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The fallout ought to be that that third base umpire – a AAA replacement if I heard right – shouldn’t work another big league game this season. The ejection of Howard was absolutely inappropriate.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought throwing a bat was grounds for ejection.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Only if you can read minds. That home plate ump wasn’t going to run him because he’s been around the block and knows that players will fling their bat back towards their dugout out of frustration, especially when blowing a chance to win the game by striking out for the fifth time in seven at-bats.
That third base ump was fixing for a confrontation, trying to flex nuts, and that’s exactly what he did. Bush-league on his part.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
The ump very easily could have had an ulterior motive.
But if the actual action of tossing a bat is grounds for ejection, then the move was legitimate regardless. If I’m wrong and it isn’t, then your position makes more sense.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, if it were grounds for ejection then the home plate ump would have burned him before the third base ump would have had a chance to.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Not necessarily.
Maybe the HP umpire give leeway in that area. We know that not every umpire is as quick to eject a player as another. Some umps eject a player the second they start arguing balls and strikes, some bark for a couple minutes before getting worked up about it.
The point I’m trying to raise is that if the rookie ump had ejected Howard for something not specifically defined as grounds for ejection, then I’d be more likely to agree with you. However, if “a player may be ejected for tossing a bat” or some similar statement exists officially, then even if the guy was only trying to cause some shenanigans, it’s still a valid ejection.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Just because something is ‘valid’ according to the rules doesn’t make it right. And I guarantee it doesn’t even escalate to that point if that ump didn’t mean-mug Howard right after the 1-1 pitch.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Just because something is ‘valid’ according to the rules doesn’t make it right.
No, but it does, as you said, make it valid. I don’t want to specifically imply I am arguing the ump was right, as I don’t even know for sure if the example I gave IS a valid grounds for ejection. However, if it is allowed as such, then even if you don’t feel it’s right, it’s still valid, as you said. I’m not debating that you have the right to disagree with the move, only that if he was following the rules as he interpreted them, there’s no systematic problem here, unless you’d make the argument that the system shouldn’t allow umpires to eject people on these grounds because you feel the system is being abused in cases like Howard’s.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I was trying to research this...and I cannot find any reference that specifically says
throwing the bat is an automatic ejection. However, I think it would fall under the heading of
“unsportsmanlike conduct” which is at the umpire’s discretion.
Howard should have been more aware that his behavior would result is a terrible outcome for his team, even against the Stros…
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Howard should have been more aware that his behavior would result is a terrible outcome for his team, even against the Stros…
This
Especially when he knew the Phils had no bench players left.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to excuse Howard’s behavior, especially after the fact, but the umpire played a big role in escalating the situation after the 1-1 pitch.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
The umpire didn't make Howard throw his bat
and behave in an unsportsmanlike manner. Howard actually looks worse than the umpire in this situation because Howard has been around longer and should have know better. The umpire was within his domain to call for the ejection. (not saying that the umpire wasn’t a toad either)
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Unless he was completely unaware...which would rather make me laugh
If so, even Cholly can’t defend him…
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I cannot disagree more.
Whether the ump made a bad call or not, throwing a bat is an ejection. Howard was a fool to engage and blow up the way he did. And him running after the ump….yeah that does not help his cause. Would you being saying the same thing if the ump was not a AAA callup? I also think Howard would not have deigned to challenge a more veteran ump, who had made the same call.
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Guess it probably depends on what he said to the guy, but that ump is clearly looking to pick a fight after he rung him up on the 1-1 pitch. That ump was unprofessional no matter how you look at it.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt that, and Howard was at least as unprofessional and probably a little more dumb
Howard stared down the ump after that call, the ump stared back. Howard’s got to know who has the power to screw up whom in that situation.
exactly
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It was the mimicking of Howard’s posture that was unprofessional. It’d be like the home plate umpire ripping off his mask to confront a player who said something at home plate. Howard wasn’t that far out of line there – now if he had started shouting out in that direction I might say otherwise.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Howard showed him up twice
If he only did it once I’d be more inclined to agree
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Howard should be happy, it saved him from a 6K night
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
/rimshot
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Were you watching the game?
I was, and wasn’t a bit surprised when he got airlifted (you can’t toss Ryan Howard). He had already shown up the same up on a checked swing call earlier in the at bat, and went ballistic when he was called out.
And with the way he went after the umpires, may have even made contact with the second base ump, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s looking at a 3-5 game unpaid vacation.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he DID make contact with the ump.
Hell, it looked like the ump was holding him back.
SB Nation power rankings
They have the Marlins and the A’s ahead of the Rockies…..
/confused
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/8/24/1648359/mlb-power-rankings-baseball-august-yankees-rays
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I like that everyone is writing the Rockies off
You know what’s happened bofore when people start to do that
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
THIS
keep it coming!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 25, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I did link this in the Rockpile...
sigh.
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by Jeff Aberle on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't see Jeff, I'm sorry...it was so far down..
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I'm sorry Jeff, SDcat need to pay more attention :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, today is a day game??? Well, crap..that flips
my whole day upside down….sonofa…
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that means baseball on the radio at work
I’m cool with that, plus I have had football practice everynight last week and this week, so I have only seen the last 2 innings for a while.
#11
Damn, I'm slow enough today to be able to take time off to go
But I just dumped about 1/4 of my PTO going to Austin….no dice today.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
CBS Sports Power Rankings Eulogy for the Rockies
Let’s go Zockies!!!
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/powerrankings
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no one reads Rockpiles anyway
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Has everyone seen this mlb.com article?
It talks about out-of-the-race clubs who could spoil contenders hopes. And guess on which side of the equation we feature prominently?
I take offense to this intro:
You can probably take crumbled contenders out of the equation. The Cubs, Tigers, Dodgers and Mets of the world are too bummed out over their own fates to groove on spoiling it for others.
And then have the article go on talking about us at the same level as the Orioles and Brewers.
Not only that
The Mets lead all of baseball in shutouts this season and have a very good record at home. As screwed as they are, if you run into them on the wrong day you are going to drop some games.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Gee...
Is that a little Mets love even from you?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Well I need them to beat the Phils :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't wait for us to spoil our way right into the playoffs...)
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LOL, entitlement rubbing off
Joe Torre’s Dodgers are fading out of the 2010 title picture, but he gnashed his teeth over that dilemma while managing into 14 consecutive postseasons.
“I think it’s unfair,” Torre said. “There are some clubs that will bring up a handful [of prospects]. … I think we all do that. And then there are other clubs. … It’s very tough playing against those teams, especially in our league, where part of it is you’re trying to run your opposition out of players. Basically, people get knocked out of the pennant race by people who have played Double-A ball and maybe [have] four at-bats in the big leagues.”
Really? If your team is so fragile that it can be knocked out by someone who has four career ABs in the big leagues, then your team just isn’t. that. good.
Seriously, Joe, just retire and GTFO and STFU. Seriously.
Managing in the National League is a little tougher than you thought.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
He's whining that bad teams that expand their rosters by more than 1-2 players in September...
…..present an unfair obstacle to actual playoff contenders.
He should have retired when the Braves fired his sorry ass.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
That's what I love about baseball...
The worst player on the team can be the hero on any given day
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
And a horrible in game manager can get massive props and WS rings
Just by being saddled with a $200m + payroll.
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey RIRF
Got any more of that popcorn??
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
So...
whats up with Hawpe?
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I heard he was put on waivers
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Is he still hanging out or
is he with another team? I haven’t heard much…
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Thank you Cat.
you are so good to me.
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Well, I know we've hit a rough patch
but you are still my not-spouse
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Don't leave me like Muzia did.
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Hot dogs
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Brad Hawpedog.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
ok..
this made me lol..
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Why didn't we think of this when he was here?
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Seriously.
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DAMNIT I WAS BEING SERIOUS.
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completely clears today, free agent tomorrow
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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He was granted free agency yesterday.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
thank you.
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Thank You.
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Remember in 07...
Injuries to the rotation forced the Rox to take a look at Jimenez and Morales, and those 2 were a major part of the catalyst that propelled the Rockies into the post season.
About this time in 07 it looked bleak but maybe Chacin and Rogers this season can be what Jimenez and Morales were to us in 07. Just thought of that this morning while we’re still sitting on the edge of contention.
At home reading this thread.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
this makes me sad :(
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just think of him as
off slaying dragons.
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soooo playing World of Warcraft expansion then
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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ok
this is just sad…
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he's made 7.49M in his career
not too shabby
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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yeah
but he plays WOW – only lame people do that.
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LOLNerdz
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you on WoW
But some MMORPGs are just delightful fun.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
an internet place for lame people to be lame together
sounds an awful lot like PR…
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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but we arent lame.
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I beg to differ.
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You are saying that talking about
baseball is lame?
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If I was in Denver
there’d be a weekly PR gathering at Coors Field.
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MOVE TO DENVER
DO IT NOW!
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it would get mighty cold in February.
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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Baseball should be played
in the dead of winter.
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Snowball would make a fantastic Baseball mutator!
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't play it.
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You aren't lame.
You are boring.
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comfortably numb
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I've landed in a Scorsese film.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you going to stop doing coke deals with your jerk-off cousin?
how many of these guys have been with you long enough to be disgruntled, huh? Think about it. You don’t pay much, you know. It’s almost a feudal enterprise. The question is, and this is the only question, who thinks that they can do what you do better than you?
That’s what Russ should be asking his SB overlords, lol
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Plenty of people
do what I do better than me.
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Heavy lies the crown
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I LOL'd. Seriously.
Is he a level 41 5th starter yet?
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
He actually made it to Level 15 3rd starter during the 2007 playoffs.
Game 163 gave him so many EXP points…
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The original Scott Pilgrim
I mean, he did beat the Seven Evil Aces, no?
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
All of them in dragon form.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
This whole thread is making me cry for a number of reasons
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all. ( Please don't kill us wherever you play)
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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because you play WOW?
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BRAD HAWPE PLACED ON WAIVERS
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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NOT NEWS RAWRZ
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
srsly
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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So yer sayin'....
he’s had plenty of time to use his monthly WOW minutes?
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: But I can now wear my Colorado Rockies shorts
that I could not wear a year ago. I am a happy camper. Go Rockies!!
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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^3 for loss of a few(more than a few inches :)
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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nice!
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Congratumalations
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank you everyone!
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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OT:
I have a real hankerin’ fer some salmon with Rice-A-Roni!
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
O.o
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Ohhhh NorCal
I get it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
No, seriously
I was thinkin “Salmon sounds good. Grilled. On a bed of rice. Mmm….Rice-A-Roni. Ha! The San Francisco treat! Ha!”
I crack myself up.
But it sure sounds good right now.
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 25, 2010 1:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
find a bag and whip some up
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
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^4
I had hot dogs for dinner last night.
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shocking right?
20 hot dog points if you can guess what kind of hot dogs.
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wimmer weiners.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
you win!
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Scott Wimmer does not approve
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
lame.
Wimmer Wieners are the best hot dogs ever.
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Don't eat a Wimmer whilst driving
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
how are they different from regular ol' oscar meyer?
(serious question)
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Huge Difference
1. No Nitrates
2. All Natural Casing (provides a nice crisp crunch when you bite into them)
3. 
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Nitrites are the death part!
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I'll bet Mrs Wimmer does
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Well, if she doesn't, she should
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
newsflash...grass is green...sky is blue
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Burritos.
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Souls.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Had a couple of those for breakfast
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
not very filling.
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That's because they were empty souls, and did not have their fill of Tebow
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
lolz
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I want pizza but it's freaking hot today...
Sandwich for me..
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Has Santiago given you permission to grab?
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all. ( Please don't kill us wherever you play)
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I miss santiagos.
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If I felt like actually driving, Tacos y Burritos on Federal would rock
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
you really like burritos, huh?
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
there's an authentic Mexican restaurant just down the road from me
I think I will get me some burrrrrrrrito’s for lunch
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what makes it "authentic"
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your family behind the counter
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
sorry, someon had to take up jDub’s slack.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
it's true.
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The gentleman who's accent I couldn't understand told me so
he owns the reastaurant
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Canuxican.
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Quebexican.
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touche.
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OT: Maria...remember when I said I gave away that carrying tray...
Yeah I’m an idiot. I just found it stashed in a cabinet in my kitchen. Yay!!
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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WAHOO!
i love it when stuff like that happens.
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Dammit, now I want to go and get fish tacos for lunch
Argggh…./shaking fist at Maria
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There's a restaurant in Scottsdale AZ called "The Pink Taco"
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Sounds less like a restaurant, and more like a bar....
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
for my type.
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I was a little confused when I saw it
figured it was an all wimmen bar….but the do serve tacos
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Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
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Who does such a thing?
Dear Rockies - Please finish ahead of the hated Giants
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Oh yeah, there's a game in an hour.
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And a Game Thread up now...shall we retire to the den?
not as punny as SDcat00
by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
For cigars and brandy?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking more, New Belgium and hot dogs
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by Mondogarage on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Not my kind of party
Then again, neither is cigars and brandy.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Scotch and boiled meat?
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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Gonads and strife.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Why would we pick up Francis option?
His injuries is really a big problem and he has never perform like he use to. Rodgers would be a better option. Getting rid of Cook and Francis would reduce the payroll quite a bit.
I much like the rotation of Ubaldo, Chacin, De La Rosa, Hammel, and Rodgers
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
Francis has truly had a very sneaky good season for his standards.
He actually has posted career bests in walk rate, K/BB, HR rate, ground ball rate, fly ball rate, FIP, xFIP and WHIP. His ERA isn’t sparkly, but it never really has been. His ERA this year is his THIRD BEST year in his career, which matches WAR, which says this season is his third best year despite just 16 starts.
On top of all of that, his average fastball is actually faster than it has been since 2005 and he is inducing a greater rate of swings on pitches outside the strike zone than he has at any point in his career.
I will say that I am wary of his arm breaking down and of his notable drop in in-game stamina. That is something I worry about. But frankly, the guy can pitch now as well as, if not better, than he did before the injury, which is truly a magnificent accomplishment. I’m still not completely sold on Rogers, and if Francis is the consolation prize to losing out on de la Rosa, I won’t be too sad.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
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