Saturday Rockpile: Corpas to seek second opinion, Cook to start Thursday, more
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 9:01 AM MDT
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PrintI'm not really the type of guy to say I told you so, but I told you so. And, as Rox Girl just posted below, we've seen this all before...
Most of the Purple Row community may not know this, but I haven't exactly been a proponent of Jim Tracy since he took over the managerial duties for the Rockies. The guy has built himself a track record of being a poor game manager, which really stuck out like a sore thumb in the Rockies' latest gut-wrenching, anger-inducing, drive-one-to-drink loss to the Dodgers. That game had all the makings of a 1-0 victory for Colorado and sweet, sweet revenge over Clayton Kershaw and the Bums for doing the same thing to Ubaldo Jimenez and the Rockies at Chavez Ravine in May.
Instead, Tracy sends Ubaldo to the mound for inning number eight, apparently not caring about the fact that he had already thrown in excess of 110 pitches, and sees the game slip away in torturing fashion. I understand that Matt Belisle ultimately allowed the crushing blow, but I also feel that it would have been a completely different story had he been brought in to start the inning. I also understand Tracy's concerns about the bullpen being short-handed, but they, along with everyone else on the club, had the day off on Thursday. This was just not the game to push the envelope with your already-tired ace. Speaking of which, does anyone else have the sickening feeling that he may not only not get to 20 wins, but possibly won't even get to 18? I'd still put most of what I own on the fact that there will be a new guy at the top of the all-time single seasons wins list for the franchise, but that amount is getting smaller and smaller by the week.
Anyway, I'll just leave it at this: Jim Tracy probably should have taken a cue from Joe Torre, who is known for working his bullpen to death. In fact, that probably isn't the only thing Tracy should imitate from the guy whose team has won 21 out of their last 28 games over his club.
A few links after the jump...
Corpas to seek second opinion | Inside the Colorado Rockies
At this point, as is the case with Nationals' phenom Stephen Strasburg, Tommy John surgery seems imminent for Manny Corpas. Jack Etkin also has some other injury updates in the piece. Jeff Francis tossed a 39-pitch bullpen session and will throw one more before pitching a simulated game. Meanwhile, Matt Daley completed a bullpen session of his own and will do so again soon. Finally, Aaron Cook will pitch tonight for Tulsa and will be limited to about 85 pitches - which is no big deal for Cookie, as he has been known to throw complete games with much less than that. Assuming all goes well, he'll start for the Rox on Thursday in the makeup game vs. the Phillies.
Rays Sign Brad Hawpe: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
Ken Rosenthal (via Twitter) was the first to report the deal. Hawpe will begin his tenure with the Rays organization in A-ball. They'll probably wait until September to call him up to the big league roster. Good luck, Brad.
Diamondbacks consider ballpark changes - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
It looks like the D-Backs may install a humidor at Chase Field. That park doesn't have the altitude that Coors Field does, but the low humidity and high heat result in similar effects to the baseball. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out, but one things is for sure: Jon Miller is rolling in his grave right now.
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Sigh.
I “watched” this game on my Droid with MLB At Bat (no audio, no video) and I could see this coming a mile away. I was astounded after seeing “Coaching visit to mound” in the 8th that he left Ubaldo in there. I could tell he was gassed and I didn’t even have the benefit of seeing or hearing anything. It’s just sad. I’m not going to claim that I’ve ever been a Jim Tracy fan or anything, but I’ve not been a Tracy Hater either. I’ve taken the good with the bad with him… but this decision was SO bad at SUCH a critical time of the game AND THE SEASON… I just don’t know what to say.
I'm not sure if it's just hindsight being 20/20
But it just seems to me that pretty much everyone could see it coming, and from the bottom of the seventh no less.
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I don't think it was hindsight.
My son was also “watching” the game on At Bat with me and I was telling him the same thing at it started going down. So I have a witness, anyway… :-)
Double Sigh.
I watched the game with my husband on our 44th Wedding Anniversary. It was a beautiful evening, mild temperature, good meal, wonderful scenery etc., My heart just ached for Ubaldo, it was so obvious that he was out of steam and Tracy just left him in…ugh. My evening wasn’t ruined, but a win for Obaldo would have been a wonderful present.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Happy Anniversary, butterfly!
I’m glad you had a wonderful weekend so far!
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I agree that last night was not one of Jim Tracy's finest hours. But it would be nice to read some analysis rather than
“Tracy sucks”, “Tracy is a horrible manager”, “I hate Jim Tracy”.
Now don’t get me wrong. I think hindsight shows the 8th inning should probably be laid on Tracy. But he did have his ace going and ‘Baldo was still coming in the mid-90s. Who’s to say that Belisle wouldn’t have gotten lit up anyway? Or Beimel for that matter.
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I didn't say any of those things, to be fair.
Here’s my analysis:
Although this situation came about way after a move should have been made in the first place, you have a LOOGY – and a very good one, at that – wasting away in the bullpen with Andre “I have a .644 OPS vs. lefties” Ethier coming to the with a chance to put runs on the board and a fatigued righty is still on the mound.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
That was my problem, too – I was fine with Ubaldo starting the inning but there’s no way in hell he should have faced Ethier. One batter too many, no doubt. Indefensible.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I put this exact point in the game wrap all moves can be justified until that one
There is no excuse you can give me that will satisfy me on this one
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I was not speaking of you specifically but all fans in general.
And I agree with you. I agree with your analysis of the situation. In fact, as I’ve said on the wrap thread, I really wanted Tracy to make a move after the first batter in the 8th. Once again I’ll say that I think last night was possibly Tracy’s worst managerial effort of the year.
And I understand fans’ frustration but I want to know why others hate Tracy or think Tracy sucks or whatever rather than just making him the target of their ire. I guess it’s easier to vent at the manager than at your heroes.
But I would ask you, other than knowing Ubaldo’s pitch count, how does anyone know he was fatigued? Is it a strict pitch count everyone’s going on?
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by pedalpusher on Aug 28, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Osmosis?
I was watching the game on MLB At Bat on my phone, so I had neither audio or visual feedback. Maybe that’s a good thing in this case…
I saw the pitch count. I saw the closeness of the game. I knew Ubaldo had been worked hard this year and that he had let lots of runners on base this game, which added to the cumulative “stress factor” he experienced during the game. I saw how the inning started. Even if he wasn’t fatigued, Tracy had a rested bullpen that only needed to get through two innings vs. a team against which the Rockies desperately needed a breakthrough… both for their mental well-being the remainder of their 8 games against LA as well as for their position in the standings.
So it’s not a strict pitch count. It’s a bunch of things all rolled together to say that he’s probably fatigued enough, and the game is close enough, that we shouldn’t take a chance with him staying on the mound.
I don't hate Tracy....
He’s done this before to Ubaldo with better reason earlier in the season. Those games the bull pen previously had been shreded by Cook/Reynolds/ Francis. He’s done it to JDLR to strech him out after returning from injury and resulted in two of our loses during the infamous post ASB roadtrip. He’s done it once to Hammel out of necessity and twice out of the cussedness we saw last night.
There is also the “sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you”
syndrome with the bull pen as all of our relievers were over worked early in the season due to injury of some of the starters and the ineffectivness of several members of the staff at various points. None of this is outside the MLB norm. Last night ( to use a poker anaolgy) it was obivious to everybody that he was trying to win with the inside straight flush on the river after that card was already gone.
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I've never been a big Tracy fan
especially since last year’s NLDS. But there have been two things that have bothered me this year: the team’s approach to defense and hitting on the road seems to be lacking, and his handling of Ubaldo has been disturbing all season. Perhaps the poor defense and road offense aren’t exactly his fault, but as the manager he should be taking steps to fix those problems. As for Ubaldo, it seems like Tracy likes the idea of having an ace to ride. He just seems reluctant to take him out of games, because there is a chance that Ubaldo could get some more outs. He has absolutely no regard for pitch count with Ubaldo, but seems to think his arm is indestructible. I agree that Ubaldo is an ace and workhorse, but that doesn’t mean you should ride him until he breaks. When he’s struggling, pull him out.
I don't hate Tracy, but this was a pooch-screw.
You do raise some valid questions. However, here’s another one: If Belisle did get lit up, would he have as many runners on base if he came in to start the inning? The point is well-taken, though
My other issue is with the velocity comments that people seem to be making. Yes, Ubaldo was still coming in the mid-90’s. I get that, but I’m not sure what the point is here. Velocity is useless if it can’t be controlled (even power pitchers need some control, of course, even if just to be effectively wild), and Ubaldo was fatigued to the point where he didn’t have that control any more. A 95-mph meatball is still a meatball—just ask Jonathan Papelbon about that.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I would have understood it more if he hadn't batted in the 7th.
But when he is in the order, and has 115 pitches already it’s arisky decision. If it works we call him gutsy if it doesn’t we call him stupid.
It's gutsy either way...
but what it isn’t, either way, is right.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course if the BP blows it then what???
But the percentages definately lean with Belisle for the first 2 the Beimel.
If the right guys come in and blow it, then it's chalked up to "it's baseball - shit happens."
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This, exactly.
You stand a better chance with a fresh pitcher who has been successful in those situations, than a guy who’s already thrown 114 pitches….
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Hey, what do we think about trading for Matt LaPorta?
As a right handed, power-hitting first baseman?
He hasn’t really found his groove in the majors yet, but it could pay off big provided the Indians are down on him and we don’t have to give up too much – his minor league numbers were pretty awesome.
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LaPorta for Morales, straight up?
(Just kidding…I’ll shut up now)
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
It's intriguing, but I just don't know if the Indians would want to sell this low on him.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe they'll feel charitable
because they know they stole Carlos Santana
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I wonder if Carlos Santana hits a grand slam in that situation last night :/
(don’t let that snide comment fool you into thinking I don’t agree with you)
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He could be another Cargo sitiuation
where a guy that many people think very highly of that is taking a while to figure out the Majors
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 28, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, was the point of reposting that Jim Tracy Conundrum post
to show that the majority of people around here supported extending Tracy like 10 months ago?
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I would imagine it's that
combined with Rox Girl saying “neener neener neener!” to everyone
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
sly
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Pretty much, yep
Uncalled for? Yes, but whatever.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's uncalled for
it’s probably trying to get people to chill out…
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That'll happen anyway...it always does
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
...though PR, especially the Rockpile seems to be heading into a "scold and lecture" mode today, so I'll shut up
I can get more than enough of that from RtC, thank you
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes but that RRokcpile was about the way he managed the NLCS which I had no problem with
Last night was a completely different situation. Tracy never did anything like this a year ago.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you mean never left his starting pitcher in for a lot of pitches in a tight game?
Or do you mean not going to the obviously intelligent situational play with a reliever in a tight game?
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't compare this to those games
In the Marlin game Ubaldo got better as the game went on. He hadn’t given up a hit since the 4th inning of that game. That’s a completely different situation.
As far as game four goes, Steet had been great all year last season and earned the right to be in that spot. I can’t blame Tracy for that one.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
do you remember how Street actually pitched to Howard though?
I get bummed just thinking about it. Street had nothing man.
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Yes but I don't think t could have been predicted
Steet pitched differrently there than he had most of the season. I can’t blame Tracy for thinking he’d get something different.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
t that
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Letting Street pitch
not at 100% to Ryan Howard with men on during the playoffs is probably worse… by like a lot…
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Steet had converted about 94% of his saves last year
I can’t blame Tracy for playing those odds
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
yea but he was also coming back from injury
and Howard is weak against lefties. It’s really just as bad a move as what he did last night…
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Disagree
The situation of getting knocked out of the playoffs made it seem worse but that happened in game 130 last year we wouldn’t e talking about it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Holy crap – just got through reading the game wrap. What a bunch of mind-bending stupidity in that one.
Look, I’m all for dogging Tracy for not bringing in Beimel for Ethier. That was the right percentage play, Ubaldo was gassed, and Tracy didn’t make the right move. Bad job by him. He probably makes the move if it’s anybody but Ubaldo on the mound right then, but still, bad job. We’re all agreed.
Here’s where I just start shaking my head: “OH NOEZ TRACY IS THROWING THE TEEM UNDER THE BUSONE”
HOW??? By saying Belisle didn’t execute and that Jimenez didn’t throw the strike he needed to get the out that was being given to him? That’s throwing the team under the bus? No it is not! Not even close! It’s called THE TRUTH, for Christ’s sake. Belisle made a horsecrap pitch and Jimenez has to throw a strike to Theriot. I swear some of you think it’s MLB: The Show and Jim Tracy is holding a PS3 controller in the dugout making his players do certain things. What do you want Tracy to say? “I’m sorry I made Matt Belisle suck hind tit? I’m sorry I made Ubaldo lose the strike zone?” Players play. And when the players don’t make the plays they need to make, plays they normally make reliably… that’s not Jim Tracy’s fault, nor does it make Jim Tracy WORST MANAGER EVAR for saying that the players didn’t execute in his postgame remarks? What do you want to hear? “Boy, they tried their best but it’s my fault that it didn’t work out.” What manager in baseball history ever says that???
And then the whole “I don’t like THIS Jim Tracy” which is ridiculous. He’s the same manager he was last year, only his team ain’t winning because they play like dog crap on the road and guys who hit last year ain’t hitting this year. NOTHING has changed about Jim Tracy. He trusts his starters, particularly his ace. He has done this with Ubaldo literally all year and you act like it’s the most shocking thing ever that he started the eighth inning last night and that it makes Tracy history’s greatest monster.
Not your finest hour last night, Purple Row. That game wrap was embarrassing.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:37 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree with most of what you said there, particularly your last line.
However, I know that a lot of people have disagreed with Tracy’s handling of Jimenez late in games for a good portion of the season – even in games where it didn’t necessarily come back to bite the team in the ass.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I want to be clear I’m talking about the comments in the game wrap and not the posted game wrap article itself. Glad I wasn’t a part of it although I kinda wish I could have been there to stand aside Teekalong, although I very well might have gotten myself banned, so, again, glad I wasn’t there.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we need a manager
who’s got a knack for getting players to perform on the road. Does such a thing exist? Are we really that bad on the road or is this season all BS and statistical anomaly?
Does anyone know if the Rockies prepare differently when they’re on the road? Do they spend more time in the cage? I feel like it’s all psychological because there’s no way our hitters are this shitty on the road. And if that’s true then I think it falls reasonably within the managers realm of influence…
This lack of road play is without a doubt our biggest problem – more than Cook having a crap year, and Hawpe not having power, and Barmes still playing 2b, and it’s also a theme throughout our history.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well, the Rockies had their best ever road record last season. Who managed that team? Maybe they’d ought to see if they can hire him.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
maybe they should hire and dismiss Hurdle every season too
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Actually this makes think of something else too
in organizations there are different types of managers.
I remember talking to the guy in charge of Talent and Leadership at Microsoft. He was talking about this one manager who had to be let go because he was excellent at managing during crisis and good at being a “turnaround manager” but when things were fine he was a micromanager and wasn’t effective at all.
I wonder if something similar can happen in baseball. Despite Tracy being the manager of the Rockies this season and last season, the situations weren’t the same. It may sound silly, but it’s possible that Tracy’s strengths lie more turning a team around rather than managing a team that doesn’t need help.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I would counter by asking why Tracy didn’t have success in Pittsburgh, where the franchise could have damn sure used a turnaround, but had success in Los Angeles with the established talent.
Again… why can’t it just be that the team isn’t as good as last year? 2009 didn’t make Jim Tracy a genius, and 2010 didn’t make him a dunce. The 2009 Rockies were a much better baseball team than the 2010 version. That much seems pretty simple and plain, and you know what they say about the simplest answer sometimes being the best one.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Because Pittsburgh hasn't had anything close to
the talent we had last year in like 18 years – and you know that. We were talented but under-performing in a big way.
Also, aside from injury, I feel like the team is as good. JDLR going down early hurt us. Tulo missed some time. But the bulk of the players have returned – and really it’s been our hitting that has let us down and all we did there was get rid of Atkins and get Olivo who’s been awesome. I don’t think there’s been a shift in talent big enough to explain the difference in results. Maybe last year we were lucky and this year we’ve been unlucky…
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yes, but you have to consider natural decline as well...
Hawpe, Barmes, Cook, and Helton have all suffered from this.
In addition, Fowler has been going through the customary “the league has made adjustments on how to pitch to you” period.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, and nothing about Miguel Olivo is awesome,
except for his ability to play through kidney stones. :)
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
meh you're probably right
it just seems like with more playing time to Stewart, and a full season of awesome Cargo, and Chacin being pretty good when he’s been allowed to pitch, and Olivo having a better season than Iannetta or Torrealba, that we had enough positive to neutralize the disappointments of Hawpe, Helton, Cook, and Barmes. Helton really seems to be the one that sticks out though…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
However you want to define ‘good’ – whether that’s talent or performance or luck – it’s still not been as good this year as it was last year. The number don’t lie. And whether it’s the talent that isn’t as good or the luck hasn’t been there like it was last year – I don’t believe you can pin any of that on Jim Tracy.
And you underlined my point I was trying to make about Tracy’s work in Pittsburgh. Even if he’s a ‘turnaround’ manager, who excels in those scenarios – if that’s true, it’s only to the extent that the talent itself allows, not to mention other extenuating circumstances (injuries, age, and so forth).
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
There is plenty of blame that can be pinned on Tracy,
but certainly not all of it.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m just saying that the seemingly obvious general conclusion: “2009 Rockies > 2010 Rockies” can be attributed to a lot of different things, and I think the manager is WAY down the list.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarifying.
He definitely isn’t the reason that this year’s club isn’t what last year’s was. He’s the same guy he was last year. Only, some of his gutsy-but-ill-advised decisions have not panned out this year like they did last year.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably
Helton’s and Hawpe’s poor seasons, and JDLR’s injury are the biggest culprits.
But to fair to the others, we have talked at length about all of those, it’s not like we didn’t spend weeks talking about how to replace Helton, and we haven’t had seasons worth of Omg get rid of Hawpe and start Smith, so its really not like we’ve just all come down on Tracy for this…
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well two things then
1. I think the talent is still here – enough so that I think our performance this year is a disappointment.
2. I never truly pinned anything on Tracy, I’ve barely mentioned his name and when I did it was to highlight something similar in another organization.
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That’s how I understood your point too, man, I’m not trying to get on your case or anything. I think the Rockies have been a disappointment too but I’m more likely to attribute that to factors like injuries, the ravages of age, bum luck, etc. than I am to the manager.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I never saw anyone blaming the whole season on Tracy last night - just the 8th inning.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 28, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
This discussion is really only tangentially related to last night’s game thread, not directly.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, it looked to me like the post at the top of the thread was about last night.
This site is too hard to navigate :)
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 28, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing ...
I guess it’s about last night, until it isn’t…
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This particular discussion kinda started with what Resolution first had to say in response to what I said at the top of the thread. That’s how I’ve been following it.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Why do you give Tracy such a pass though?
I don’t recall you really ever saying Tracy should accept blame/responsiblity for anything his team does or doesn’t do?
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Man, I need more coffee this morning...
shouldn’t have been a question mark…
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Because he SHOULDN’T. It’s not his fault if a curveball hangs or if a big swing turns into a rally-killing double play. It’s just not.
And I guess I just couldn’t care less if he publicly falls on his sword for his own decisions backfiring or not. That does not matter one bit to me.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Isn't it the manager's responsibility to be more aware
that his guy needed to not continue?
If he can publicly say which player was at fault for something, why can’t he also say when he makes mistakes? Where is the rule that the manager can’t do that…?
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There’s no rule. I just don’t care and don’t think it matters. Because if Ubaldo had gotten Ethier to hit into a 5-4-3 triple play then Jim Tracy doesn’t deserve the credit for leaving him in – Ubaldo gets the credit for making the pitch.
Look,a manager’s gotta go with his best talent, he felt like it was Ubaldo in that spot, we all felt like it was wrong but didn’t KNOW it was wrong until Ethier got the hit. If he gets a K or that triple play then we aren’t even having this conversation and I’m taking the nap I so desperately need right now. For that reason, the blame that a manager takes and the credit he is given mean absolutely nothing.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
So then you should not be giving Tracy for getting the team to the playoffs either
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I don’t recall ever doing that, actually.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough..
I’m just trying to figure out at what point you think a manager begins to accept responsiblity for winning or losing?
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Here’s what a manager does: chooses what players play and when. Really, when you break it down, that’s about it (as far as affecting the on-field outcome). And Tracy did get that wrong last night as far as not bringing in Beimel for Ethier.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess where I'm coming from too
is that baseball really has no idea what makes a good manager. They just take players who used to be good and then put them in charge of a team.
So the “problem of Tracy” isn’t unique to the Rockies, it happens to every team. I think we say the manager doesn’t impact final standings too much solely because they’ve never been allowed to. You have a tremendous macroculture where the bulk of managers have been raised the same way on the same thoughts and then manage the team the same way- hence a tremendous restriction of range. At this point we can fire all managers and just have a robot say player x hits lefties better, pinch hit, reliever Y has allowed a lower BAA, make a switch. I don’t think a lot of managers are actually trained at all to be managers, they just know the game of baseball, they don’t actually know how to manage people – but if you had a manager who was better able to handle the person side of the sport, there might be a change and I believe last season is a testament to the impact of managers
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also, I dont really think you're getting on my case at all
bottom line, we can talk about managers all we want, it absolutely is the talent on the team that really dictates how the team does so we’re in agreement there…
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You bring up a nice point here...
I have always wondered if they do things differently in preparation for road series when, in fact, they should be doing everything the same. Maybe the extreme road woes the team had (which, really, should be customary for any expansion team) made Baylor – and from there, each of his predecessors – think the club needed to do things COMPLETELY differently out on the road.
Who knows.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe the extreme road woes the team had
meant to follow this with “early in their history”
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s a fair question, actually.
But me, I try not to overthink it, so I accept the following as the answer for all of the why’s anybody asks about this team: “They aren’t as good a baseball team as they were last season.”
That’s satisfactory enough to me.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, that gets a rec
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
This is actually very, very true.
I was talking about the entire history of the club, but the fact that last year was the anomaly in a history of road woes definitely makes your statement have that much more ground.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Its true
by having more preparation and different preparation for the road games, you may be implanting something in the players that exacerbates whatever differences truly exist…
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that is a great point.
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by pedalpusher on Aug 28, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
You know what F26
You love to come through and slash and burn the Purple Row denizens. We are just a bunch of baseball fans, who might not have your "expertise and wisdom about baseball. But we love the Rockies and we have our opinions.
It’s gets really tiresome to have you come through and berate this merry band of Rockies fans, who enjoy watching games together and and constantly be told how stupid or embarrassing the game wraps are is arrogant.
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by SDcat09 on Aug 28, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
arrogant.*annoying…should have been annoying…
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Thank You!
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, you guys were an awfully merry bunch last night. You were – collectively – off the reservation and I’m calling you on it, that’s all. Note that you’re the only one thus far who has taken it personally.
And right before I post, now there’s two.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
This team has never really been great on the road. I chalk it up to the fact that they play in a fairly unique park at home.
And some of there talent don’t transfer well. But we do play well in Petco which is a cavernous park like ours. Not scientific but curious.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
This possibly solidifies the point I made above...
maybe the team prepares for games at Petco similar to how they do for home games because of the likenesses you mentioned.
Again, who knows…
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 28, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Or there skillset fits that park as well as Coors.
I guess I’m just saying I would expect O’Dowd to build a team that fits Coors and adjusts on the road. Petco is just similar to Coors.
We might not have been happy about the game,
but we are merry in general.
How do you figure comments such as “mind-bending stupidity:” shouldn’t be taken personally? There are people on the other end of the computer you know, that actually think and say these things, (except for me because I don’t exist…;) )
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by SDcat09 on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s a distinction between “The opinions expressed in the thread were borderline ludicrous” and “The people expressing those opinions in the thread are the stupidest bunch of stupids that ever stupided.”
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe that's what you should have said instead :)
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Well, it did say “That game wrap was embarrassing,” not “The following people are embarrassing:”
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
And I take issue with that characterization.
Embarrassing because you don’t agree with the opinions? Would it have been less embarrasing by your standards if we all would have said ,“Yep Tracy was right, Ubaldo should have made that perfect pitch after 114 pitches and 7 innings with one run and a few hits”?
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It would have been every bit as embarrassing had it been a gathering of Tracy sycophants completely excusing everything that happened in the game.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Where do you find fault with Tracy in last night's game?
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It’s up thread, but I thought Beimel should have been called on to face Ethier. That was a no-brainer to me. Ubaldo earned the right to start that eighth inning considering he was working on a shutout. Bad job by him leaving Ubaldo in a batter too long, considering the percentage play would have been better with Beimel in against the lefty hitter.
That’s a fair criticism – ‘Manager didn’t play the right percentage play.’ Not ‘Player made bad play, blame manager.’
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I can see the argument for leaving him in to finish the shutout
If e had pitched well enough. But he really labored through the first 7 innings. This wasn’t exactly an easy cakewalk for the guy.
There is nothing wrong with finding somebody else's opinion embarrassing.
I disagree with F26’s mentality more often than anyone, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with being embarrassed by what appears to be a mainstream opinion in a community. As I stated in the thread, I actually thought the discourse was far less fiery and idiotic than it normally is after a loss like that. But that’s just my take.
I’m not saying you can’t in return be offended, but I don’t think F26 is out of line here.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I was offended by his remarks and I wasn't even on the thread
Tell me, just what makes him the “be all , end all” person on here?
Nothing, and nobody is suggesting he is.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
And you have every right to disagree with that attitude.
I often do too. That wasn’t the point I was trying to make. I apologize if I was unclear.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
at least 3 of us are annoyed...I got some green :P
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by SDcat09 on Aug 28, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
excellent post Franchise. Rec'd as well.
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by pedalpusher on Aug 28, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
First off, take a chill pill
Second, that game did nothing to change my mind about Jim Tracy. I have hated the way he has treated Ubaldo, and I still do. Yes, he is a workhorse, but as well all know, when you drive the workhorse into the ground, he will eventually break down. I’m very certain that Ubaldo will be looking at a big time injury in the next year.
by mkorpal on Aug 28, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
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You’re right. I think Ubaldo should be much more closely monitored. Limit him to strict pitch counts. Maybe an innings count, too. That ought to keep him free of any arm trouble.
Right?
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
(Point being – you never can tell.)
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I know there is always an uncertainty as to when the UCL will pop
But there is a pretty strong correlation between workload and injury. So, why drive him into the ground when you have a capable pen who an pick up the slack, and a strong bench who could help provide some additional room to work.
I always picture Scarlett O'Hara killing her horse in Gone with the Wind
hmmm do we have a new nickname for Tracy…(Scarlett)
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agreed 100%
i have always felt the same way as well about Tracy especially when it comes to dealing with Jimenez
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 28, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Regarding the humidor in Phoenix...
Let me re-post most of what I said in the Friday Rockpile late and was probably missed by most of you…
People keep talking about the high temperatures in the summer in Phoenix as the cause of baseballs flying out of the park. I’d just like to point out the obvious… that on hot summer days, the games are played indoors at a temperature of 78 degrees. So the balls aren’t going to fly like it’s 100.
The on-field temperature is actually warmer in April, May, and September, when the roof is often open and the 80-100 degree air is allowed in. Although I admit that I was astounded when they opened the roof in a June 4 game I attended this year vs the Rockies when it was over 100 at game time… but it was a Friday night and they always shoot off fireworks after Friday night games here. Hard to see those with the roof closed. They also ran the chillers the entire game with the roof open (I could feel the cool breeze), which was also somewhat amazing, but I’m sure it made APS happy.
All that said, they definitely should use a humidor here, because you do still have the (lack of) humidity issue that probably makes the balls just as slick and hard as (probably MORE than) non-humidor balls @ Coors.
It just seems like a no-brainer to me.
Why not put them at everyballpark and regulate the condition everywhere.
Do High humidity cities have changes also. Just curious
Personally, I think this is a fantastic idea
Having uniform storage for balls would help level out park effects to some degree (obviously some more than others). It would also take the piss out of those who constantly bitch about LOLCORZHUMIDOR. I believe MLB actually is on record as encouraging all clubs to store their balls in controlled conditions.
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by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Just an off topic reply
I hate Chase Field… Went there this year the announcer is lackluster and easy to ignore. The general sound system of the ball park is pretty bad(horribly thought out in-order to save money most likely, I would like to punch the guy who thought having all the sound come from one direction and bounce back to the rest of the stadium!). The “good/expensive” seats are placed so that you can’t see the game very well. The “bad”/cheep seats are actually better to view the game. Finally I just hate snakes… Oh and its BLEEPING hot in AZ!
I just really dislike that ball park.
by nightninja13 on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Tracy's job is to put players in a position to win
He failed miserably last night. As has been mentioned before, there were plenty of opportunities to pull Ubaldo. It’s clear that when he can’t hit the bat of a guy trying to bunt for the out, he doesn’t have command. At all. He is not in a good position to help the team win.
People are trying to shift blame onto Belisle, too. Look at that Fangraphs chart from last night and tell me what the win probability was when Belisle got called in. It wasn’t just that he gave up a homer. He could have given up a sac fly and still lost the game. He didn’t get the opportunity to win the game.
Both of these were because Manager Jim Tracy failed at his job. They might be paid to play the game, but when they’re digging out of holes that they shouldn’t be in, more often than not, even a good player is going to fall in.
by Yokel on Aug 28, 2010 11:33 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nobody’s blaming Belisle for losing the game. Belisle is getting blamed for giving up a GRAND FREAKING SLAM, which is a pretty spectacular failure. If the bases had been empty and Belisle had come in to start the inning and he makes that same pitch and gives up a solo home run, that is also a failure.
Matt Belisle didn’t give up a grand slam because he was put in a bad situation. He gave up a grand slam because he made a crappy pitch. A crappy pitch (and a good swing, it should be added) doesn’t change with the situation.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
How many players had been to the plate?
If Belisle starts the inning, odds are he doesn’t even SEE Blake.
But the real point is not that he gave up the home run. The point is that in that situation, there were only a limited number of options that would have resulted in success, and a much, much larger number of options that result in failure. At that point, a grand slam = a sac fly = a gapper = a one-out fielder’s choice === giving up the lead. Any ball in play except a perfect double play ball is a failure. You can’t expect even the best pitcher to succeed in that scenario.
It got out of hand, and that is entirely on Tracy. The Captain goes down with the ship.
by Yokel on Aug 28, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well as long as we’re being presumptive, if Belisle starts the inning and makes that same pitch to Podsednik and that midget hits it out, is that Tracy’s fault?
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Heck no
It’s Belisle’s. Because in that scenario, Tracy made a call that put his team in a position to win, with a historically successful reliever and a clean slate.
The issue is last night, Tracy did not make the calls to put the team in a position to win.
Of course, it’s clear Scotty Pods wouldn’t get that pitch, because Belisle isn’t under pressure to get the K or lose the game, either.
by Yokel on Aug 28, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belisle had all of those options when the Blake at-bat began. Unless Jim Tracy said “Alright, I want you to purposely throw three balls and then two strikes. After that, it’s all you, hoss!”
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
We can't begin to speculate what would have happened had Belisle come in when we think he should have.
I agree with you that I would have preferred that move. But we don’t know that wins us the game. We simply can’t.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
In fairness to Belisle, the margin of error with the bases loaded is spectacularly limited
I guarantee you he wouldn’t have chosen to fire a fastball in there with one man on base, but the ump was not giving borderline calls, and Belisle would have been lynched for setting up a loss for Ubaldo by walking in a run.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
To further clarify, I am not excusing Belisle from failing to make a pitch to Blake. He needed to put Blake away or at least keep him in the park
But his put away pitch this season has been a breaking ball. The situation took him out of his strength.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Just keeping him in the park wouldn't have worked.
It was either strike out, GIDP, or give up the go-ahead run. Not good options, even before the 3-2 count.
He came in with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs
On average, a little more than 2 runs score in those situations.
After getting an out and IBB, the bases were loaded with one out. About 1.65 runs score on average from that situation.
While allowing one run would have surrendered the lead, keeping Blake in the park for a sac fly and getting Carroll out would have been a success, relative to the situation he found himself in.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the numbers
My point is that the reason he was in such a bad situation was mismanagement. Like you say, most of the time, he gives up a lead. Kind of hard to blame a guy too much when he’s thrust into such a horrible situation.
Oh absolutely
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
I hope I didn’t sound dismissive of the run-average you posted. Far from it. It does a great job explaining why a sac fly is considered a “successful” at-bat for Belisle in that situation. I wasn’t even aware such a metric existed.
In fact, it definitely puts the lie to Tracy’s excuse in the post game that “Blake just had a professional at-bat.” In theory, they could put Donald Duck out there and have an above-average shot at taking the lead. The failure came much earlier than Blake’s at bat.
Either Tracy knows it and is finding a convenient excuse, or he doesn’t understand that they were in a really deep hole before he even stepped to the plate to hit the grand slam. Either way, it doesn’t instill confidence.
It was just a compilation of all base-out states over four seasons from 1999-2002
The run environment has dropped since then, so the average number of runs scored in those situations would undoubtedly drop in this run environment as well. But it would still be quite high.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you! and rec'd
I think this is what the majority were saying last night during the game.
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Belilse Job desription doesn't say "only come in to start innings.
He is expected to be able to extracate himself from a bad situation. He got one out, The y loaded to get the force/DP. And you doink the 3-2 pitch right over the middle. The point being It’d his Job, done it great all year didn’t last night.
I know that's his job
Look at the WPA graph. He was in a deep, deep hole when he stepped on the mound. Every single pitch he threw had to be perfect. Betting on that is a mistake. Getting into that situation is a mistake.
by Yokel on Aug 28, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, what’s Tracy supposed to do with two on and one out in a tie game? That situation has come up before and will come up again because it’s baseball. And pitchers have worked out of that situation before – it’s not the impossibility you make it out to be.
Tracy actually made the right managerial call to load the bases and set up forces everywhere. One pitch and Belisle’s out of the inning.
Odds of a batter reaching base against Matt Belisle this season: (AKA his opponent’s OBP): .273
Blake’s odds of reaching base (AKA his OBP): .329
Those are pretty good odds in Belisle’s favor, there.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Your numbers don't tell the whole story
Blake didn’t have to get on base. He HAD to either strike out or GIDP. Any other option is giving up the go-ahead run. And one of those options doesn’t even end the inning, but just brings up a new batter with a fresh count to try again. In fact, per the chart, the implication is that there was a 75% chance a runner scores to give the Dodgers the lead.
What Tracy was supposed to do was not get into that situation in the first place. He made a string of decisions that each favored the lesser chance of success in the situation. Trying to pass some of the blame off of Tracy and onto Ubaldo and Belisle like you’re doing is ignoring the fact that, while they didn’t execute, Tracy, through the decisions he made, put them in a situation where successful execution was significantly less likely than failure.
If you play the 8th inning with the assumption that Ubaldo goes out with 114 pitches and you don’t send in a reliever until the game is tied again, I’d lay odds that 9 times out of 10 you get the result they got last night. And that puts the blame squarely on the guy setting up the situation, not on the failure of the players to execute.
by Yokel on Aug 28, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG...this is weird
I’m watching USSSA vs AAU baseball on MLB Network…
I must be reading wrong, because the score says
USSSA 12
AAU 0 –
no outs Bottom of 1st inning……
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I don't know about you guys
but I’m with the people who blames the team for the loss. I almost feel like when we face the Dodgers, even at home, we take the same approach that we use on the road just because we don’t play well. Where has that gotten us?
And yes, I thought the 8th inning was dumb, but it’s not all Tracy. Also, the manager looks like a wimp when he admits his mistakes. If he’s doubting his own decisions, then the players are going to believe in him less, which is exactly what we don’t need.
I was at BW3 doing karaoke last night
So, I was only kinda’ sorta’ half paying attention to the game.
Yes, Tracy mismanged it. Ubaldo shouldn’t have even started the inning. It may have been different if our offense hadn’t made at a 1-0 game going into the 8th.
But I’m choosing to blame the fact that my friend was on stage doing a god-awful version of Material Girl as Casey Blake hit a grand slam for the loss. At least that’s what I did at the time. And he didn’t seem to mind taking the blame (Brewers fan). So, it all works out, and I can continue to have a logical reason to hate “Material Girl.” :)
I have a question.
Isn’t the role of Beimel basically a LOOGY?
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Basically, yeah, although you’ll see him go a full inning more often than you would see a guy like, say, Joe Thatcher do the same.
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by Franchise26 on Aug 28, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Street closer, Betancourt setup, Belisle 7th inning or later if the other two are unavailable, Beimel in the last three innings vs lefties
Tracy has been pretty darn consistent with those roles, imo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't consider Beimel a LOOGY.
He’s far closer to a regular setup guy. Whether or not he is used over Belisle or Betancourt often has depended on how many opposing lefties there are, but LOOGYs generally only pitch to lefties unless they’re eating waste innings. Beimel is often allowed to pitch to multiple righties, and very rarely only enters the game to retire one lefty unless it’s the third out.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe THATS the name
of the position Hawpe played in my dream….hmmmm
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 1:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He was pitching?
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No
I was pitching.
Hmm…but it ended with -er…
/sigh
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 1:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting indeed...
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I’m just tired of seeing the Rockies lose to the damn Dodgers! Can they please take this series and keep the momentum going?
Come on..
by EssentialCo on Aug 28, 2010 12:21 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
On this point we all can agree :)
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Barmes is expected to return Monday.
That means yet another roster move is going to need to be made before September callups.
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He'd have to be sent down for ten.
Recall deadline still counts over the roster expansion.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
If they're willing to give up that option, sure.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 28, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Which of course, wouldn't make sense
Too bad Barmes can’t take two more days off
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice tweet from EY2
Rough one last nite against Dodgers. Beautiful thing about baseball, we’re right back at it tonite! BelieveR
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Agreed. Nice tweet.
But has anyone noticed that Ian’s tweet this morning shows basically an utter disregard for what’s going on with the Rockies???
Who else is getting up at 9 to watch the College Gameday Season preview tomorrow morning?
Uhhhh… Ian… most people get up well before 9. You should try it, really.
I don't have an
issue with Ian’s not rising before 9. Considering that his job is basically a swing shift he stays up later and doesn’t have to report to work until probably noonish….:) unless it’s a day game.
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I dunno, it's Saturday morning
I think it was just some humor
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I'm grumpy because I was awakened at 6:30
Due to problems at work…. that we’re still dealing with :-(
Ahhhh...that explains it...:)
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heh... "swing shift"
I just got that.
Don’t know whether you intended that or not (prolly not).
Would be good for him to shift his swing a bit, too.
I probably wouldn't call the guy out on some random tweet
besides, he couldn’t have had less to do with their loss last night.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Do you get his tweets?
Rarely does he actually mention baseball. He’s interested in a lot of stuff — just doesn’t seem that baseball is one of them.
I’m not associating him with the loss last night… just that there’s a stark difference between the tweets of EYJr and Dex vs. those of Ian.
I'm not sure can be drawn from Ian's tweets that means he doesn't care. Maybe he likes having
some separate personal tweeting to disconnect from the game for a couple of hours…
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You never know. Dex and EY might be getting up at 10 am
everyday…they just don’t tweet about it :)
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Glass is always half full with you, Cat
Which I like about you BTW, I tend to be the same way, usually.
Hard to see it half-full after the way this season’s gone, thoughl.
heh...I dunno about that..
I guess the tweeting doesn’t really mean much IMO. Mostly because a tweet takes about 30 seconds to write and send. I don’t think it’s indicative of a lack of caring. I think it’s just a think that tweeters(?) find fun to do…From what I can tell, he doesn’t really tweet all that much.
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I don't think we should expect these guys to eat, drink, sleep baseball 24/7.
They should be expected to have lives outside baseball.
However it would be nice to see Ian discuss baseball occasionally.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
We discussed this in a Rockpile a week or two ago
His friendly non-baseball tweets should be by no means be an indictment of his work ethic and passion for baseball, but given his growing reputation of those qualities in question, it would behoove him to use his tweets for baseball more often.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
completely agree.
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This is important: is he from Southern California?
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by Jeff Aberle on Aug 28, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes he's from Orange County
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OT: Facebook is trying to trademark the word "face"
Okay, this is the crazier than Kentucky trying to trademark Kentucky
http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/27/technology/facebook_trademark_face/
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More fun online gadgets for baseball games
robneyer
Prediction: By 2012 or ‘13, you’ll be able to click on ANY baseball play and see movement of every fielder, runner, and umpire.
It is called FIELDf/x, and it is coming
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 1:55 PM MDT reply actions
ooops sorry, 2012or'13
I’ve always wished there was someway to show more of the action during the plays. Like actually being at the game.
Cool,
Like a video game?
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 2:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I assume it will be part of GameDay, just like pitch velocity and break are now..
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, I see
on Gameday.
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 2:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It may lead to better defensive metrics though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting...
That would be awseome.
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 2:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Baserunning as well
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
robneyer
(Jeremy) Greenhouse showing video and Out Percentage graphs for Brad Hawpe. Yikes. #fx2010
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha!
That was funny : )
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 5:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
is anyone watching the padres/phillies
The commentators think that we shouldn’t be surprised by the padres this year.
Of course they say this now...lol
And it’s not even a local homer announcer…I would love to know what they said about the Padres at the beginning of the year
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For the record
I suspected that the way that they finished last season may be indicative of a strong 2010 campaign. The amount of success they’re having is surprising, but that they’re having success isn’t excessively so.
I suspected the same thing last year...and mostly everyone laughed at me...
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sad, half the seats are filled with Philly fans...
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Half the seats are filled with Philly fans… jack***es
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Chacin
I just wrote an article on SB Nation’s fantasy page on Chacin a few minutes ago. Have a look.
raygu
www.faketeams.com
www.sbnation.com
Haven't read yet, but you're wrong
Just kidding. Going to look now
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Solid work
He’s certainly a lot more advanced than Ubaldo was at 22, though his ceiling is likely quite a bit lower. Still, there’s no reason why he couldn’t be a very good #3 next year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, except I see almost zero chance Chacin gets put in a closer role
Even if Huston Street goes down, there are several in house candidates they would go to before jerking Chacin back to the pen. By all accounts, the organization is ready to hand him a full time starting role.
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OT:
My aunt won this tomato contest for us with our tomatoes! We have the sweetest tomatoes in Colorado!
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Sweet!
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Totally!
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by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 2:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This just in
Rosenthal reports during the Phils-Pads game
that Manny is not in the lineup again tonight,
presumably because he’s being traded.
That likely means no Manny (except maybe pinch hitting)
this series.
The Rox should (and must) take the next 2.
Mediocrity sucks
So, looking forward...who's scheduled to pitch
against the Padres next week. I’m thinking about going to one of the games…
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So, looking forward...who's scheduled to pitch
against the Padres next week. I’m thinking about going to one of the games…
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heh...yeah I can't really afford that right now...
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I used to score free Rockies tickets at Blake Street Tavern all the time
granted the Rockies weren’t very good back then, but that’s how I got to games when I had no money.
Tough to say, since Cook's insertion in the Philly game Thu will jumble the lineup
Guessing it’s Chacin Friday and Hammel Saturday though, De la Rosa Sunday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 28, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
hmm last game I went to was Hammel pitching
when he beaned Edgar Gonzalez…hmmmm gotta think about this…
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Maybe you'll see Scrappy get beaned
Paleface Destro, Infield Butcher: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
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Padres don't look as good turning DPs as the Rockies do:)
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I don't think many other teams in baseball
Rockies are as good as any team at that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
many other teams in baseball ARE
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
you still need a . or a ! :)
look at me the grammar critic I’m really just bored
Yes
I should have just worded the whole thing differently
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I mess up all the time
horribly actually and I think who the hell wrote that. Spontaneous blogging is difficult to do well I have discovered.
Okay this is one of the funniest ejections yet
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"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
I wish I was the fan that got 1st base
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 28, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
There is always the Lidge factor
It will at least be interesting
MY FACEBOOK STATUS:WAITING AROUND THE CORNER FOR FRANKLIN MORALES
this game just makes we mant to scream how do are the Padres
the team with the best record in the NL. How?
I love baseball
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 30, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions
or they will go down one two three in the ninth . . .
MY FACEBOOK STATUS:WAITING AROUND THE CORNER FOR FRANKLIN MORALES
Speaking of young studs
Has anyone seen the reports that Aroldis Chapman hit 105 pitching for Louisville last night, with a slider that hit 91? Dear God…that’s just scary.
Paleface Destro, Infield Butcher: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Jason Hammel, Unsung Hero warns us all: Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)!
by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 4:54 PM MDT reply actions
will he be next for
tommy john surgery
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 28, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
That's exactly why it's scary to me. The human body isn't made to do that.
Paleface Destro, Infield Butcher: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Jason Hammel, Unsung Hero warns us all: Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)!
by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, it does seem that more and more of them are getting hurt, having surgery, etc.
It’s just a gut feeling, of course, but it seems that way to me. Having not seen him pitch, I think the key is his mechanics.
If he’s throwing like Strasburg, he’s gonna know surgery wards really well and eventually be on the Holiday Inn autograph circuit with Mark Prior. If his mechanics are sound, maybe not.
Paleface Destro, Infield Butcher: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Jason Hammel, Unsung Hero warns us all: Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)!
by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Ha!
I walked by a street named “TRACY WAY”. I couldn’t get a pic, though.
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 5:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
pretty much.
It turns into a different way, then is a dead end
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 28, 2010 5:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I figured it was an alternate name for Lombard St.
You know, the one that looks really good at first, but starts twisting and turning so much that you end up barfing in the end
Dear Rockies - Please beat the dreaded Dodgers
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all! Good luck with the Rays!
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
It changes directions based on the car MATCHUPZ.
Paleface Destro, Infield Butcher: Resident Smartass of the Ubaldo Lovers Club
HEAR YE: Tremble (with laughter) at the sight of Sir Preening Fauxhawk, BS, of the Clan of the Great Pumpkin
Jason Hammel, Unsung Hero warns us all: Beware The Black Heart of Eckstein(tm)!
by Paleface Destro on Aug 28, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
hahahahahahah...this is awesome
Dear Rockies - Please beat the dreaded Dodgers
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all! Good luck with the Rays!
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
BEAT L.A!!! BEAT L.A.!!!!! BEAT L.A.!!!!
gahhhh…I hate the Dodgers with the fire of a 1000000000 million burning suns in all universes
Dear Rockies - Please beat the dreaded Dodgers
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all! Good luck with the Rays!
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
This!
(ex/possibly still giants fan) I have always hated the dodgers as a general rule! Its in my blood.
by nightninja13 on Aug 29, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
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