Rockies acquire RHP Manny Delcarmen for RHP Chris Balcom-Miller
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 1:59 PM MDT
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PrintAs reported by MLB.com's Thomas Harding and The Denver Post's Troy Renck, the Colorado Rockies have traded minor-league RHP Chris Balcom-Miller for Boston's RHP Manny Delcarmen.
In the wake of Manny Corpas' trip to the DL, the Rockies found their relief staff of RHP named "Manny" severely depleted, and dipped into the wealth of minor-league pitching prospects to patch the wound via trade.
Manny Delcarmen, in 44 innings stretched over 48 games, has posted a 4.70 ERA, a 3-2 record with no saves, a 5.69 FIP and 5.18 xFIP, and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 1.14.
Balcolm-Miller, in High-A Asheville, has posted a 3.31 ERA in 19 starts, going 6-7 over 108.2 innings, striking out 117 and walking 19.
Over the past 2 seasons, Delcarmen has seen his role as setup-bridge to Jonathan Papelbon dimish as his control began to fall apart (5.73 BB9 in 2010) and ability to get batters out on strikes also declined (6.55 K9). While still a serviceable reliever, Delcarmen has showed a decreasing ability to handle high-leverage situations, as evidenced by his -.31 WPA in 2010.
Along with his excellent K/BB ratio in Asheville, Balcolm-Miller has also shown a great tendency to keep the ball on the ground, posting a 2.13 GO/AO this season.
I personally feel we overpaid for a struggling, declining reliever who we've wanted for years, in hopes of shoring up our bullpen and making that final push into the Wild Card berth.
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nooooooooooo
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
SB Nation Denver
by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 2:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Terrible month in fact.
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
SB Nation Denver
by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 2:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If Delcarmen takes innings that would have gone to Morales....
….and saves a few off Belisle’s arm, and the Rockies make the playoffs this year and/or next with him, I will totally be behind this trade.
not as punny as SDcat00
THIS
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Ouch I am used to Frankie bashing, but that one hurt
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Why not?
Delcarmen has had a rough year, but he’s just two years removed from posting a tremendous line. Switching to the NL should help.
This is precisely the type of pitcher the Rockies have had great success with. Low-risk, high-upside. A guy we couldn’t have traded for had he not been down on his value.
I’m a huge CBM supporter, but I was very dubious of his long-term value. He was probably a 4/5 peak value guy, relying mostly on control and groundballs. With our rotation depth and Schmidt’s drafting ability, I’m more than confident that he’s eminently replaceable.
He walks a lot of batters, but you could do worse for a middle reliever I suppose.
There's a place out west where the Powder River rolls off the Bighorn Mountains. It's a land of red walls, blue sky, and clean air, where the eagle glides high above the canyons and makes its nest in the rocks that overlook the valleys where the sagebrush and cottonwoods grow. This is ranch country - has been for more than a hundred years.
Well things have changed some since the early days, but there's still a thread of character and tradition that runs true from one generation to the next. You can see it in the way folks out here set a horse; you can hear it in the way they talk. And when the work's all done, there's nothing they like better than to get together at the one room schoolhouse under the red wall for another down home, homegrown, Western Saturday night.
Pretty decent trade for both teams.
Delcarmen’s a solid reliever that seems more ideally suited for the NL than the AL East, Balcom-Miller’s a good prospect, but pretty deep on the Rockies depth chart for starters.
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt Delcarmen someone we asked for in the Helton trade talks a few years ago, but he was a deal breaker?
Also, interesting wrinkle. CBM’s last start in the organization came Sunday vs the Greenville Drive, Boston’s Sally League team. He pitched fairly well despite giving up quite a few runs. I wonder if he showed himself well against them.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 2:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I'm remember Delcarmen being involved in the potential Helton deal but I thought cash was the bigger deal breaker
The 2010 Rockies are done!!!!! Do you hear me Rockies? You have NO SHOT at making the postseason. In fact I guarantee you will not make the postseason. (Okay, now that I have removed all expectations go out and make me eat these words)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 31, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I don't like this one bit.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:16 PM MDT reply actions
weak
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Damn, I liked Balcom-Miller a lot, but we needed a bullpen arm and Delcarmen has always been one of those guys where I always wondered how anybody hit him. (Of course, Tony Pena was one of those guys, too, so I guess that doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot.)
Have yourself a nice month, Manny.
Also, there is this.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Yes.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
he claimed to be his father fwiw
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 2:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, PR hasn't actually administered any paternity tests or collected DNA samples
We’re saving that feature for the spawn of Silverblood and Muzia.
not as punny as SDcat00
Renck says
“Rockies get cash in Delcarmen deal.” This could also be the reason they were willing to give up CBM.
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I wonder if the Rockies got 1 trillion dollars
that’d be pretty sweet
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
We may have overpaid a little
But we NEEDED another arm in the bullpen
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
I am as bummed about losing Balcom-Miller as anybody here could be, but let’s not flip the hell out over a prospect deal in August – haven’t we learned anything from the heartache of losing Brandon Hynick in 09 or Matt Macri in 07?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
CBM is a lot better than those two
And the relievers we got back were also better. Delcarmen is not exactly what I would want.
with the Rockies?
He was certainly heading that direction, -0.2 WAR in just a month. He’d done better with the Twins, but a lot of his value there was tied to IP as a failed starter earlier in the season.
thats why this is buying Delcarmen low
There isn’t a single person in baseball who thinks that is actually Delcarmen’s talent level. Ortiz and Delcarmen probably have comparable performance floors, but Delcarmen’s ceiling is MUCH higher. Plus, we got cash and control him past just this season.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 2:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
But applying that value to utility is what's operative here
CMB wasn’t going to help us until 2012 (minimum), assuming he stayed healthy and on his progress track.
If Delcarmen ultimately becomes the difference between the playoffs or not, then it’s a worthy trade.
The value to the ballclub of having made the playoffs three times in four years is immeasurable, in terms of season ticket sales, national press, etc.
not as punny as SDcat00
so is any assumption that says Balcom-Miller's more valuable
He’s still three levels and at least two year’s from the major leagues. Thus far he’s shown himself to be an adequate BOR prospect, but in either the Rockies or Red Sox system, that likely translates to long relief bullpen.
You are assuming that Delcarmen
positively changes our playoff chances. If he continues to pitch the way he has this season, that is not the case.
No, I'm not assuming he *does* positively change them
I think the value in the probability of him changing them, makes the deal a good one.
The only way he does not positively change our chances is if he actually pitches measurably worse than Morales, who would presumably have pitched the same innings.
not as punny as SDcat00
Exactly
This is how mid-market teams can get 2 WAR relievers. You either develop some gems (Brothers, Billings, Reynolds) or you buy low on a big market’s mistake.
It worked with JDLR, Belisle and Betancourt. It hasn’t worked in other instances.
It’s a risk worth taking when you’re talking about a replaceable prospect.
Now, I’m ready for STS to pump CBM up more than before now that he’s with the Sox org.
see, I liked that trade at the time
especially considering the circumstances. Getting any return at all for a player you’re going to have to cut in a week is a boon. See Brad Hawpe and the failure to do something similar.
Thats where the problem lies
Ramirez should never have been the guy to be cut. Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk that miraculously turned into ice cream.
It meant either no lefties in the pen (sans Fuentes) or paying Kip Wells $3 million to play for another team.
I think the real culprit there is signing Wells to that contract.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
who else am I going to call The Baconator now
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is jdub, anyway???
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
ZING!
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Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
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Were they?
Delcarmen is WAY better than Ortiz and he will likely provide 10 times the value Contreras did, given that he’s still under team control and was old enough to be delivering newspapers during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Delcarmen is definitely better than Ortiz, and might even end up being better for us, long term, than Contreras
but it is my belief that CBM’s ceiling is much higher than that of Macri or Hynick.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure was
But was he higher on the long-term depth chart than Matzek, Bettis, Tago or Friedrich? How about Riordan or Hollingsworth? Let’s not forget Campos, Mejias, Jiminian, Aquino, all of whom have ceilings that at least match CBM’s.
You draft CBM for this reason. You hope that MAYBE you strike gold and he possesses some trade value or you can use him in your rotation.
Now where’s the baby telling us SUCCESS?
TINSTAAPP
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I have no goddamned clue what this means. And since I don’t know what it means, I’m gonna take it as an insult.
LETS FIGHT
TINSTAAPP = There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect
Meaning pitchers are so volatile and stuff that it’s difficult to ever say we’re set with starters or relievers.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The offer to fight still stands
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Whoa whoa whoa
You have to meet him in the pit in order to fight. That’s the rules.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Tell me the pit isn't in Colorado
that’d be a real hassle for me
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Any pit...at any show, really.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
We don't get punk shows in Wyoming
It’s very, very sad. Guess we’ll have to settle for a pit during, like, a Belinda Carlisle show in the pit at the Riverton Casinos.
I would totally mosh Belinda C.
Yeah, I know she’s 50.
/doesn’t care
/plays Beyond the Valley of the Go-Gos
not as punny as SDcat00
booo Wyoming
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
mad about you, mad about you
lost in your eyes, reason to sigh…
I could totally see a pit fight at a Belinda Carlisle show, she’s got to have some BAMF fans.
I'd own the pit at a Brenda Carlisle show, for sure.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
true, but this goes both ways.
CB-M is only valuable as part of a group, and it really looks like the Rockies have done a good job in the past year refilling that value.
I don't mind using depth
I just don’t like trading value for failing relievers. I just don’t find that to be solid asset management.
True,
just seems like we could have gotten more for CBM, although our backs were against the wall I guess timing-wise
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Truth, I'm on board.
I just hope Delcarmen isn’t who he’s advertised as right now – failure in high leverage situations.
This could be a very good trade for us though. We NEEDED a high velocity guy out of the pen.
by CentralCaliRox on Aug 31, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll be in a lot of high-leverage situations
He’ll be the guy that comes in when it’s a 4 or 5 run game on either side and we need an inning eaten.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
God I hope not...
We better get more than that out of him.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe I stated that badly
I meant that he can make Belisle strictly the guy we use up by 3 or less, tied or down by 1 or 2 in the 7th, with Delcarmen taking a lot of the other innings Belisle’s been getting
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
That works.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
And beyond Belisle...
… we also have Beimel, betancourt and Street all more likely to see high leverage situations than Delcarmen.
Point being, Delcarmen is a set up to our set up at best.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Who knows, man.
Who knows.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, when Ortiz was the winning pitcher in the Greatest Game Ever Played, all was forgiven.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Not really
Macri’s played a total of 18 games in the major leagues and is now 28. Looks to me to ultimately be nothing more than an organizational player, at best.
not as punny as SDcat00
I'm not sure you fully understand my meaning.
All the work of Rocktober was being undone by a mole in the bullpen that year, and if he had been successful, it would have been trading Matt Macri for no Rocktober.
Not having one of my greatest memories as a Rockies fan would have been a disaster.
I see what you mean now
Yeah, we sorta went deep in spite of Ortiz, certainly not because of him.
not as punny as SDcat00
Ding ding ding
I’m not sure he’s as low on the depth chart as either of those guys, but it was a nice pickup of a high-upside guy who could very easily duplicate Belisle’s season next year.
?
I’m guessing he will not be a non-tender candidate.
This
Unless he pitches his way out of a tender during September, which is possible, but not really likely.
not as punny as SDcat00
He has done so all year
Why go to arbitration with a pitcher who has digressed majorly the last few years, and has put up a -.5 WAR this year.
if they value him enough to trade for him after his 5mo this season
They aren’t going to change their mind completely and non tender him after one month. Unless he chokes Jim Tracy
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 2:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i absolutely could not disagree more
you don’t give the FO enough credit. They aren’t about to flip flop their view on Delcarmen over ten innings of work.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They don't have to go to arbitration.
They may sign him close to his current salary (much like they did Buchholz after his injury season) without any sort of in depth negotiation necessary.
When you have a (potential) asset like Delcarmen for ~$1-~1.3 million, non-tendering would be jumping the gun, IMO, especially looking at how our 2011 pen looks.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions
neither of the pieces we got were that great...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
TYPICAL MCDANIEL'S, TRYING TO BYE UP ALL THE PATRIOT'S!!!!
Oh…sorry…I had my auto correct set to “Denver Post Comment Section”
Typical August 31 move
There really wasn’t much to choose from out there and something had to be done to plug the Corpas hole. Today is the deadline to get guys on the roster for playoffs and there were most of the guys available today have either high salaries or high ERAs. This Manny has experience and might actually help, the loss of CBM notwithstanding.
by Curt in Florida on Aug 31, 2010 2:28 PM MDT reply actions
I'm pretty OK with this deal as it tells me the club is making a move to try to get to the post-season.
I am somewhat shocked however that we finally got a deal worked out with Boston after so many near misses.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
I don't think DOD deals from desperation, especially since he has show how much he loves our prospects. But we'll see.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Is there an unlike button?
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Okay, that's a little of an emotional overreaction...
I certainly see the merit of this move, especially since Delcarmen is under control for two more years. I just really think that CBM is a high price to pay for him.
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this is a passionate game man
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Another way to look at it
We got Manny Delcarmen for cheap. After all, just last year, not even Gaby Sanchez was enough to pry him from the Red Sox.
not as punny as SDcat00
Link fail
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/rosenthal-on-vazquez-hairston-teahen.html
not as punny as SDcat00
this was also there
The Pirates covet Eric Young Jr. of the Rockies.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
'Member when Sanchez biffed the relay throw last night?
That was awesome.
Are we really going to have to insult your reading comprehension again?
Your inability to understand what was written does not make Ken Rosenthal a bad journalist. It makes you a ninny who can’t read.
/promise I won’t bring it up again today.
Q. Was I referring to Rosenthal?
A. No.
/promise not to chastise you for making poor assumptions
not as punny as SDcat00
is this a real fight because I'll get the popcorn
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
No, it's no fight at all
Because anyone who was even reading the Row last July remembers, and wouldn’t have to make ill-informed assumptions. No, this was entirely the work of Pittsburgh’s version of Woody Paige.
not as punny as SDcat00
Now, the way those "rumors" continued to persist for over a week
When there was absolutely zero connection to reality at all to them, is part of what’s formed my thought process with regard to writers like Rosenthal, generally. Because it was only then when I started reading the likes of MLBTR, and clicking the links on there, and reading so much of what turned out to be absolute BS.
not as punny as SDcat00
don't ring up MLBTR on this
they’re just the mill, not the farm
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not ringing up MLBTR at all
I know they’re the mill….said I was clicking through and reading the links to the actual stories….
not as punny as SDcat00
To be fair...
….I’ve never seen Russ wield the banhammer upon a member’s first post.
not as punny as SDcat00
Last year it would have taken a haul to pry Hawpe from out cold dead fingers
This year, it would have taken a cheeseburger.
I saw this tweet earlier
Can anyone explain this?
Wow: Only 2 Rockies regulars have road OPS over .800—Tulowitzki & Ian Stewart, both out. Spilborghs only other one even in .700s
about 16 hours ago via web
The rockies obviously have talented hitters
But the home/road splits are pretty amazing in the difference. Can it be attibuted to the high altitude, maybe more ocmfortable hitting in their home park? Any theories with this?
Like cargon for example
HOME: .386 / 1.212
AWAY: .267 / .702
Athletics Nation looked into that
their gist was that fastballs break less at Coors, and CarGo’s great at hitting flat fastballs.
OPS is on base percentage plus slugging percentage...
oh, not what you want explained? I’m not really sure what you’re getting at.
Well played, Girl.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh COME ON.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bear Naked - My thoughts on sports, music, and life.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
As with all the B*tching I do when we make a move I don't like
I will still not like the move, but will root for Delcarmen to prove me wrong in all ways, shapes and forms.
I understand you.
There’s no question of your loyalty. There’s a lot of uncertainty in these trades, I’m definitely leaving the door open that you could be right on this. Hindsight will tell us one way or the other.
this
While I’m defending the trade, I’m not exactly convinced we will get the better end of the deal. Three is no way to be that confident. It is a risk, but calculated risks are the trades you have to make to reach the postseason.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry folks but mdc is all yours !
this is not the mdc of 2 years ago ,now if we could will you take oki for a bag of balls ? ,watch he will turn it around now ! well good luck folks :-)
by RED SOX are #1 in my heart on Aug 31, 2010 2:59 PM MDT reply actions
If we took Oki off your hands...
….the balls will be coming directly back your way, via airmail, one per batter, just the same.
not as punny as SDcat00
mondo's good at that
I remember when Chokajima was awesome
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
For that to be trechnically possible
it would have to be a lot of foul balls on the first base side. We would be peppering Wyoming though.
No, but she probably CAN see an Okajima dinger hit Russian airspace from her house
not as punny as SDcat00
of course Delcarmen isnt the same guy he was two years ago
If he was, we couldn’t trade a BOR prospect in Low-A for him. We will just let Bob Apodaca use the same pixie dust he used on Jorge de la Rosa, Jason Hammel, Matt Belisle, Huston Street, Rafael Betancourt, and Jason Marquis, all of which were acquired at their lowest value in multiple years.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Cook cane up throwing mid 90's
CBM has often been compared to Marquis. Plus, great MILB GB% don’t always carry over to upper levels.
by David OhNo on Aug 31, 2010 4:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like this plan
although I worry about our pixie dust supply, given Quintanilla’s problems….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, not sure how I feel about that
That can only mean Stewart’s injury is worse than we’ve been led to believe, because Mora and Herrera (and Nelson) should be able to man that corner for the next 10-11 days.
not as punny as SDcat00
Or
It is the usual amount of BS that the baseball writers (not to single in on one, because they all do it) spews around deadline day.
I just looked up his mighty .605 OPS, 67 OPS+ and .955 Field Pct....
I feel comfortable predicting there is no way Jose Lopez is ever a Colorado Rockie, and certainly not in 2010.
not as punny as SDcat00
i agree. please just give nelson some at bats there
i looked at Lopez’s splits just to see if it was maybe a Safeco suppressing his numbers thing but his road splits are terrible too.
me no want
/pukes every where
Yeah that sounds fun!
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yeah
def no to that one…
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 31, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies did not trade for Okajima
The Toyota Tundra above Madeline’s is relieved.
not as punny as SDcat00
LOL, ManRam spoke only Spanish in his interview with Chitown reporters today
“Manny Being Monolingual”
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While it seems like a terrible move
I’m willing to give Rockies brass something of the benefit of the doubt on this one.
While Balcom-Miller is putting up strong numbers at Asheville, it’s possible that Rockies scouts see something that says to them “yeah, this guy’s pitching really well at Asheville, but we don’t really see much major league potential in this guy.” It could come back to bite us in the ass, but until we see what CBM can do at AA, I’m willing to throw a bone to our scouts on this one.
As far as Delcarmen goes, his control has been off, but I’d be more concerned if his velocity had inexplicably dropped into the high 80s, which it hasn’t. Aside from that, we’re really getting to the point where we’re having a difficult time finding MLB-quality relievers in-house to fill the last couple of spots in the bullpen. At the present time, Delcarmen is no more shaky than Franklin Morales or Samuel Deduno.
DOD gets a LOT of leeway from me
Without his moves, we don’t sniff playoffs in ’07 and ’09.
not as punny as SDcat00
He does tend to make good moves out of nothing
So I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah
As Rox Girl pointed out in reference to the Macri-for-Ortiz move above, this may not be so much about what we’re giving up as what we’re getting back from the trade. But Morales and Deduno make Delcarmen’s control problems look minor by comparison.
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I can't understand how it's seen as terrible, at all
I can see people not liking it, but to me terrible implies something like trading away a guy who had the potential of being a top ten MLB prospect for Casey Blake, or giving away a boatload of prospects, including a Top of the rotation type and a five tool outfielder for Dan Haren when your team was only pretty mediocre to begin with. It really isn’t close to terrible, even if you don’t like it.
Exactly.
I see CBM as a guy who, even if everything goes right, is probably a mid-rotation type in the majors, not a potential ace. And that’s if everything goes right.
I do sense that there’s a certain level of attachment to “our” prospects around here. I seem to recall similar reactions to trading Brandon Hynick (who, by the way, was putting up numbers quite a bit like CBM’s at this stage in his development) for Jose Contreras around this time last year.
Not terrible, I just thought cbm was intriguing and delcarmen is on the bad side of things right now.
It is plausible that cbm flames out and delcarmen returns to some form.
by Andrew Martin on Aug 31, 2010 4:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
i just think it is awesome that the Rockies are taking big league pieces from Boston for prospects going into September instead of the other way around
A couple observations from this thread:
1. Three people here are more well read and knowledgeable about Balcom-Miller than the rest of us combined. CSTSports, Rox Girl and David Oh No seem to be the trade’s biggest supporters. I think that is worth noting.
2. Those who this this is a complete garbage trade seem to be comparing Delcarmen’s floor to CBM’s ceiling, which is just not practical. If not that, they are overestimating the hit to the system. Given the multitude of starters that will arrive in a comparable time frame, he isn’t a horrifyingly huge loss. And CBM was the first non-first round player I saw drafted and rooted for specifically.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I do understand CB-M's place in the organization
I know he is one of a multitude of decent arms, and that he is someone who can, and has been replaced. I just don’t see the value in Delcarmen, that is all.
The value in Delcarmen
Bullpen depth. I guess if you’re okay with trotting Morales or Deduno out there in a five-run game, we shouldn’t make this move.
But at this point, we’re another injury away from probably calling up Juan Rincon.
it wasnt directed at anyone in particular
Though I think you’re definitely comparing Delcarmen’s floor to CBMs ceiling. Delcarmen is a talented young bullpen arm and a bounceback candidate. If Apodaca is as good as we think he is, Delcarmen can be a valuable pen arm for two to three years.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i just think it is awesome that the Rockies are taking big league pieces from Boston for prospects going into September instead of the other way around
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by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
sitting in McCormick 15 min before a doubleheader...
I think I’ll be okay. I’ll just root for ethan hollingsworth or something.
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by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 3:16 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
no, but he was my second choice
And….there are maybe 30 people here to watch Matzek…
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by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 3:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
30 people at the entire park?
or just specifically there for him?
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Up to around 60 by first pitch, in the entire park.
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by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 4:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Go CBM
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Ooh, good call. Done.
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by Muzia on Aug 31, 2010 3:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, if I got the PuRPs poll up before this,
it would have answered a question Russ posited a couple of weeks ago about who this year’s Brandon Hynick was.
We can probably be safe with a poll later in the week, expect the thread on Thursday.
yes, don't read too much into that last sentence.
I just watered it down with a needless “probably” is all.
If you had him that high, I can see more clearly why you wouldn't like this trade.
He’d probably be around 15/16 for me.
He was about 10-12 for me. I'm really a fan of that skill-set, but I'm also a fan of a bunch of other prospects in the system, so it could be worse.
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After 4, the list flattens out a lot with a lot of guys who are around that level.
Solid, yet unspectacular.
I get the impression people were going to overrate him
while underrating Nicasio, as it’s the same exact skill-set, but Nicasio’s older and would therefore be seen as closer to his peak. Fact is, CB-M is really just as close to his peak, too, there’s not a lot of projection in this kind of pitcher, and they’re both similar values at the MLB level.
Nicasio
throws much harder. Saw him in Savannah last year and the gun had him consistently in the mid 90s. Held his velo until the 8th, IIRC.
yeah, another reason why I think he's going to be getting underrated
CB-M’s breaking pitch is better, though.
btw: this is Callis from BA’s take:
Stats > stuff. Finesse RHP w/good sink & changeup. Not a frontline guy, can pitch. @PatrickSull: why would Rox trade Balcom-Miller for MDC?
Which sort of explains the limitation of relying on statistics
If you rely on numbers too much, somebody like CB-M becomes interchangeable with guys like Nicasio and Bettis, when really he’s more interchangeable with Ethan Hollingsworth (who I doubt anyone will have anywhere near the top 10.)
Nicasio is higher on my projected list (7-8) than CBM was
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then I wonder who I'd feel you were underrating,
as I’ve got a slew that I feel are clearly a step above in potential,
Matzek
Rosario
Friedrich
Arenado
Parker
Gomez
Nelson
Tago
Ortega
Campos
Bettis
Blackmon
Nicasio (borderline, as I imply, I think he’s about the same given the age difference, but I did rate him higher for his FB).
and then there are a handful that I see which could be in that category but are being downranked a little for uncertainty such as Dickerson and Swanner but who would have likely passed him in my poll. Not to mention McKenry, who I probably would have overrated and put ahead of CB-M too. Maybe Brothers as well.
Nicasio is a prospect who I'm (perhaps) irrationally high on...
but yeah, maybe 10-12 on him. 7-8 was more of a gut placement, as I’ll evaluate the system more fully when you post the PuRP voting thread.
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I would have had him 10th as well.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
hmm
Delcarmen is a weird pitcher…but i think the change of scenery can help him somehow someway and it is not like we gave up some big prospect anyway
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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for tonight would require corresponding roster move
for tomorrow would require no such move
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Thursday
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Aug 31, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe that just don't see the point in him flying from Baltimore to SF for one day,
then to Denver for one day, then to SD. The travel is already brutal.
Aren't we reaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy short in the pen right now
I would think they would want anyone who can help asap.
BTW... It would take approximately 36-48 hours to travel by train from Baltimore to Denver.
So that scenario is possible.
by CM85 on Aug 31, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hehehe.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
true story
One of my friends just became a conductor for Amtrack.
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so no chance he could get to SF before they leave is what you're saying.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Last hour on MLB Network, Ken Rosenthal talked briefly about the Delcarmen trade, but also mentioned another possibility for the trade deadline.
Rosenthal also mentioned that with the recent move of Ian Stewart going on the disabled list, the Rockies might also be looking at Mariners infielder Jose Lopez as extra insurance at third base down the stretch.
BTW… Peter Gammons thinks that the Delcarmen trade might be a good move for the Rockies. Delcarmen grew up several miles from Fenway Park, and with the added pressure of Red Sox nation, Gammons thinks that Delcarmen’s move to Denver might work out for him, especially with his breaking ball.
Re Delcarmen and change of scenery
He is from Boston. Likely a Sox Fan from birth. He was probably pretty happy with the scenery at Fenway and I imagine he is pretty bummed about all of this.
how might that affect his performance in purple pinstripes?
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The Sox seem to have soured on him recently though
sometimes a fresh start in a new league is the best thing
#11
This
makes about as much sense as thinking Chase Headley is half-assing it every time he plays the Rockies, simply because he’s from Colorado.
Still, though
While he may have grown up as a Red Sox fan, pitching in that environment can be pretty toxic. It might be better to pitch in an environment where the fans aren’t calling for his head every time he gives up a run.
I understand this comment
but it still must be rough to grow up as a Sox fan, come up in the Sox organization, play for the Sox, then suddenly be moved to Colorado.
The first trade can screw with a guy’s head and I’d suspect that would be especially the case in this situation.
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down off the ledge, it's not that bad.
Unless you’re a CB-M relative, then you probably need to move to Over the Monster.
Nah, I utterly despiese the Red Sox (I'm from Long Island)
I’m just mad that we just traded talent (even if it’s BOR talent) for someone who was likely to be non-tendered in the Winter.
explain why you think we would non tender
a guy with plenty of upside with two more years or arbitration.
the answer to that question is obvious
Tomorrow is September. There is value in adding arms in September
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 3:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Keith Law has his take on the deal up (Insider)
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The gist is that he thinks CBM has 4 starter upside while MDC is a good gamble for the Rockies here
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It’s a gamble worth taking for the Colorado Rockies, who at worst get a bulk arm for their pen but also get a guy who still has a glimmer of late-game upside.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, and if Keith Law approves, I approve.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Aug 31, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Question
I assume the trade would go through today, so that Delcarmen would qualify for the playoffs. That would mean he would be added to our 25 man roster today. What would the corresponding move be. Morales down?
It might be that they're planning on using a 60 day DL exception for Delcarmen.
In which case, he wouldn’t have to be added to the 25 man today.
He's already on the 40 man roster.
He doesn’t have to be on the 25 man until three days from now.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
No
I already explained below. I think you saw it. But to clarify, no other move has to be made. All trade players can remain on the 40 man inactive for three days before they are required to be activated.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
related question does he fill one of the three spots that were going to be
non roster Sept callups?
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Correct.
That will open up another. Of course, if Daley comes back, he’ll take one up too.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Sad day that nobody even knows his game. :p
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
my bad
I only slept for three hours yesterday
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I was just teasing.
No harm done.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes.
As of this moment, Delcarmen took the 37th spot, leaving two open spots on the 40 man roster for Sept. purchases.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes.
They did that same thing to Chirs Nelson last September.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
As I've been saying in both threads, Corpas.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Or they could send Hererra down today
We’re short on the bench but we don’t want to be short in the pen for two days.
Neither.
Delcarmen has officially been traded to our organization already, but will not be activated until Thursday. He will easily qualify for the poststeason because they can swap Corpas onto the 60 day DL, allowing any organizational replacement to be added, including Delcarmen.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
No
40 man roster. There is a 3 day time frame given to all traded players before they are put on the active roster. He doesn’t need to go on a special list.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
From what has been discussed
Most probable scenario has him joining roster after Sept 1, Corpas getting moved to 60 day DL, Delcarmen named as replacement to Corpas for Post season eligibility.
We have a few days before he has to be added to our roster so this would all work nicely
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Or not on the postseason roster at all
If Cook returns to full health, the postseason playoff pitchers might be: Ubaldo, Chacin, Cook, Hammel, Beimel, Belisle, Betancourt, Rogers, DLR, Street, and Reynolds. (Since you only have four starters in the postseason, you don’t really need to carry 12 pitchers.)
They would probably swap Rogers out
But if Daley or Buccholz come back strong, it could still bump Delcarmen.
I think Cook's start on thursday will dictate a lot on how he's used the rest of the way.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
didn't we switch this?
to Chacin Thursday and Cook Friday now? or am I confused?
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They did switch.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, had the wrong series in my head
the one game homestand is throwing me off.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Right. I think this too, but I think Francis would be next in line.
Cook’s going to get Marquised off the playoff roster, I’m guessing, despite his salary.
But in a postseason series,
how far past UBall, DLR, and Chacin/Cook/Hammel? do you go?
Not sure who the 3rd guy would be
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
finish the thought
Not sure who would be third, but would we even use 4-5?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
If we were to make it to the NLCS or WS, we'd have to use 4 pitchers or pitch some on short rest.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
we'd definitely use four.
I don’t think we’d go five, as Tracy would want Ubaldo in that fifth and deciding NLDS game.
again, made my sentence too watery...
need to re-read my Strunk and White. I didn’t mean to imply I seriously think the Rockies would, either.
I will say that I think Francis will stay on the playoff roster as long relief, LH bullpen help, but I’m doubting Cook does.
Elements of Style reference?
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Or did they do other books?
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I have that book on my shelf.
Mandatory reading for some of my screenwriting classes.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd sign off on that.
Even as a Cook lover.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
If this happens I feel very good about the last month of the season.
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I think it would have to be 2 very strong starts
for him to slot himself into the 4th starter on the postseason rotation.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 31, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Tracy has a veteran fetish just like most managers,
if Chacin struggles at all in September, don’t expect him to start in the playoffs, Tracy will use it as a RLRL deal.
I can see the logic in that
but Francis would have to do really well (not to mention it will take a few rehab starts just to get back into form at this point) and Chacin would have to slip quite a bite to make me sign onto that rotation.
Francis has to prove he's healthy, too.
All things being equal, though, Rox Girl has a point. Chacin can still be valuable in a playoff long relief role, which more like an emergency replacement if one starter’s early game isn’t looking so hot.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I would like to see them both on the roster
and used appropriately. Chacin’s K rate makes him an option for a situational guy as well.
Jimenez/De La Rosa/Hammel/Chacin, or some combinaton therein.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just thinking the same thing
That we are having this conversation is AWESOME
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I think the trade
is both practical and economical. We need another seasoned/dependable arm in the pen. Morales or anyone else in our organization doesn’t meet that description. I’m in!
Okay, I stepped away from the ledge
I really freaking hope I’m wrong about giving up CBM. Still, it’s strange that the Rockies couldn’t get him for less.
Gosh,
Dang it!
I liked Balcom-Miller!
Bah!
See, this is why I don’t pay all that much attention to prospects, the ones I get attached to get traded for some relief pitcher!!
I still believe...
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 31, 2010 4:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
And now for my irrational and unimportant assessment of this trade.
Delcarmen probably instantly becomes my favorite name on the team.
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Those are first names.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
And yes, over Ubaldo.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Manny Delcarmen
I’ve been a fan of this guy’s stuff for a while, but I’m worried about a few things :
a) He has seemingly lost his control at age 28. I hope it’s not one of those things that can only get worse……
b) 0.89 G/F isn’t what I look for from a hard throwing reliever at Coors Field—those two things could be very bad.
c) Born and raised in Boston, always wanted to play for the Red Sox…..hopefully he doesn’t suck like Franceour has since leaving the Braves….oh wait, he sucked when he was still with the Braves….never mind.
I guess Balcolm-Miller panning out to become the next Jon Lester would be a big concern too, but I feel like that’s not imminent enough for me to be worried……heh
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Also, Francoeur was really on fire for his first few weeks as a Met, wasn't he?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 31, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
He was, in fact
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by Hollidayrain on Aug 31, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 31, 2010 4:44 PM MDT reply actions
Don't know if anybody's seen this yet:
Fangraphs’ take. Not very positive.
Sorry, I didn't see this and posted the link below.
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As predicted
Scouting The Sally has a much rosier picture of CBM now. I suppose hoping for a few more clicks changes things.
I’ve seen CBM and I like CBM. But CBM’s numbers don’t tell the whole story, which is why FanGraphs is a touch off base on this one.
Yeah, that exchange with ATF really rubbed me the wrong way, too.
It was pretty damn revealing and took down the value I give to his opinions a couple of notches, at least when it comes to prospects of big market teams.
in a way i understand it, but not at all to that degree
If you’re at all interested in being a GOOD writer, such politics aren’t your motive. We already have plenty of writers who value their name being mentioned over the quality of their work. Matzek should not be ignored while Vitek celebrated.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He's
a part-time scout who goes to games in Savannah. His opinion was never anything I took very seriously. I’m not certain he knows precisely what he’s talking about.
He’s trying to drum up hits. It’s why he constantly drones about his followers count and relinks stories whenever he can. He’s just trying to make a buck, I suppose.
over the monster seems convinced they just scored the next Trevor Cahill
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 31, 2010 4:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
And that you're insane
Even though you’re right on the money.
If you just look at the numbers, which is what FG and OTM is doing, you totally come to the conclusion they are. However, I see a guy who throws 89 with movement (lots of wild pitches, too BTW). If CBM is a key contributor for their rotation, they’ve done something very wrong.
sounds like Chris Narveson
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by Hollidayrain on Aug 31, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Surprise, surprise...
Suffice to say that old friend Jack Moore at Fangraphs is not a fan of the trade from the Rockies’ perspective.
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He puts about the worst spin possible on it, actually.
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Er, what??
Delcarmen satisfies the Rockies needs in the sense that he has been a relief pitcher in the minor leagues before,
Or that he is currently a relief pitcher in the major leagues…..
There is also this bit of LOLCOORZ fun…
and it’s hard to imagine that Coors Field will help whatever is ailing him with regards to home runs.
Because Fenway, of course, is death for LH batters to hit homers in….
And lastly, what did I miss about this Betancourt injury that he claims DOD is overcompensating for?? Betty looked pretty good last night, if I recall correctly…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Please pretend those bold parts are quotes
This site is hard to navigate, you know…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I like it, we just can't keep throwing Belisle out there for 5-6 innings per week
Without adverse consequences. And anybody not named Corpas/Morales is ok by me
okay, I just saw something that relieved me
Apparently Theo has had not success with prospects acquired in trades. If DOD knows what he’s doing with how he sees CBM, this trade could become underrated. I’m liking it more as more as I think, but Apodaca has gotta work his magic with Delcarmen.
We're gonna flip Delcarmen for Utley, right?
The best things in life are Tulo dingers, Ubaldo strikeouts, and uh, yeah.
duh
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Rockies are actually zombies. And they're coming to hunt you down just when you think they're buried.
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by Hollidayrain on Aug 31, 2010 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
no, for Uggla
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 31, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Now you understand
why I wanted to wait until September for the new PuRPs poll.
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