Friday Rockpile: Once Upon a Time in the East
by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 7:01 AM MDT
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PrintThere's a lot going on. Minor league reshuffling. Imbalances at the major league level. Losing games to the worst team in the league. The Rockies are playing their next six games in the East, all against teams that have been on the decline, the (apparently) lowly Pittsburgh Pirates of the Caribbean and the confusing New York Metropolitans, whose roller coaster trickery make the Rockies somewhat predictable see-saw of home/road chaos resemble symmetry.
Uhm, what should I say? Win these games?
Oh? Kay. Win these games.
Sigh. Sounds a little uninspired. A pick-me-up from a Sergio Leone film would sure hit the spot right now. Hey, has anyone watched a baseball game to the music of Ennio Morricone?
For those who missed last night's Sky Sox game, Jhoulys Chacin threw 72 pitches. He will not be starting this weekend. The next logical action would be to instead recall Esmil Rogers to take on Paul Maholm on Sunday. Our friend Troy Renck has a source that claims this to be the decision. Chacin's time in the bullpen between MLB rotation and AAA rotation has squished him out of starting length, whereas Rogers has been regularly starting for several weeks now, and hasn't been half bad since he got into a groove. In a way, the Rogers move makes sense, though I'm sure those eagerly awaiting the return of The Nameless Chacin, brutally robbed of his rightful rotation spot by the greedy and corrupt sheriff Aaron "Harmonica" Cook will be disappointed. Rogers may seem a Lee van Cleef to Chacin's Clint Eastwood, but maybe he'll pitch more like a Henry Fonda.
Continuing the disappointments, Wilin Rosario has caught his last game of 2010. His "knee sprain" turned out to be a torn anterior cruciate ligament (known to many more casually as the dreaded ACL tear). Though Rosario is expected to recover fully, it's going to set his development behind. In addition to no more Tulsa, no Arizona Fall League, and no winter workouts beyond physical therapy, according to Jack Etkin of Inside the Rockies, we're looking at Rosario almost certainly starting the season in Extended Spring Training, meaning he may not be seeing official minor league action until mid next year depending on how quickly his recovery goes. Etkin says that April is the likely date that Rosario will likely be ready to get back in action on the field, but it's unlikely he's assigned to the minors until later. Rosario, who will be Rule 5 eligible for the first time this season, will still be purchased to the 40 man roster this December, for a claiming team could put him on the DL and still be allowed to keep him.
More news after the jump (but not more Spaghetti Western references, I promise).
Yesterday we saw Anthony Castrovince break the news that recent waiver claim Wes Hodges had been claimed again... by the Indians, who we had claimed him from. In all my (few) years of closely following MLB transactions, I've seen waiver claims bounce around many times, but never back to their original team mere days after the initial claim. Weird. No big deal.. Hodges didn't fit in anywhere at Colorado Springs and he leaves the 40 man Roster with an open slot. No, Anthony Castrovince is not the name of a Leone character.
Articles from MLB.com's Thomas Harding (here and here) and Joey Nowak (here) give some quotes about road performances. You make the call on whether they're adequate depictions of self-awareness or merely excuse mongering.
"On the road it's not bad, but I know I can do better than that." - Carlos Gonzalez
"That is not anything resembling of the offensive club that just left Coors Field." - Jim Tracy
"That (last road trip in Florida and Philadelphia) was tough on guys that were out there every day. Then they'd want to swing every day. They'd want to take batting practice. They don't want to feel like they're short-changing themselves. I've said, 'It's not short-changing yourself if you don't take BP every day. Just get loose and get ready to play the game.'" - Don Baylor
Some relevant news from around baseball:
- MLB.com's Steve Gilbert interviews Brandon Webb about his future, which may reside in the bullpen (plus other less interesting Diamondbacks news).
- Bob Nightengale of USA Today covers the acquisition of the Texas Rangers by Nolan Ryan and Chuck Greenberg.
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A Rockpile with Ennio Morricon is a successful Rockpile
Now, if only Ennio could hit .250 and be a good glove man up the middle.
/goes off to listen to Il Giardino delle Delizie
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So Greinke is maybe going to be on the block this winter
with two years at roughly $13 million per left on his deal till the end of 2012. I’d love for the Rockies to go after him, since our window is now, but I’m sure it won’t happen. Could see any of the big market teams going for him, though. If the Royals want Montero the Yankees surely have a chance.
the royals already rejected Montero for Soria
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus I think they have a catcher
But would you do Matzek ++++ for Greinke?
I'd consider it.
Although, last year looks to be more an aberration than the norm… He is still 26 though, entering his prime. If they could resign him to some sort of extension, it would be an even better deal.
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle
My feeling is that
Matzek gets to the majors full time in 2013, and is likely have to normal rookie growing pains for a season or two. Meanwhile our window shuts hard after 2014.
How do you know our window shuts hard after 2014?
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
That is the year Jimenez’s deal is up. I think it’s the year Tulo’s deal is up. Basically after 2014 the Tulo-Ubaldo-Gonzalez core gets really, really pricey and probably breaks up. Doesn’t mean the window completely closes, but yeah, the winter of 2014-15 is going to be interesting.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I think we can resign two of those three
All our other big contracts will be gone by then
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions
thanks,
Tulo has said that he wants to remain a Rockie forever..but things change.
Ubaldo has me worried, but seems like he would want to stay
Carlos will be out of here because we won’t be able to meet the money he(Boras) will ask for.
Just get his moms a goat...
He should be cool then.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
I'm on a Mac
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
that doesn’t make any sense.
you’re a republican.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 6, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
It wasn't my choice pal...
to be on a Mac at work that is…
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
I don't think we let Tulo's contract run out.
My feeling is they redo his deal after next year and lock him up for 7-8 years at 120 mil. Ubadlo may stay but much can happen to pitchers in 4 years. Cargo will be the toughest to resign.
I agree with this sentiment as well :)
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
Yes. Without thinking too hard, yes.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I don't think I trade Matzek for Grienke if we're carrying the entire $27m owed to Grienke
If we gotta pay $13.5m a year, then no, I don’t trade my best pitching prospect for that. I want another player or the Royals to take $7m of that obligation.
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Renck blog yesterday
By the way, Chris Iannetta is taking groundballs at first base during BP.
Bleed purple
Hahahahahaha....
How fitting.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Uh oh, not this again. Way to stir the pot!
(I like the news though)
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lol
Better watch it…I might start “freaking out”.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Taking grounders doesn't mean he's a full fledged option yet.
;)
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Hmmm...
That would imply that you would win by an emergency situation, or by inserting him late in a game and putting him at first on a double switch or something. Those are two situations I could see him being at first base in (vs. straight up line up card). If I’m going to take that bet, I’m gonna need some odds.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Would this be high...steaks?
/rimshot
/trombone
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
You know what...
this fun and friendly…I’ll take your bet. 2 ribeyes to 1 that Iannetta doesn’t sniff 1B this year.
/shake
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
/Grabs popcorn
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions
What do you think of this idea?
Maybe we just need to go back to the basics," Ian Stewart said. "Get a guy on, even in the first inning, and bunt him over.
Small ball on the road?
Bleed purple
That's rich coming from Ian...Mr. I can't NOT swing for the fences every time
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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Maybe he had an epiphany
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought something similar when I first read it
but then I thought maybe this is giving us some insight into the Rockies current hitting philosophy and perhaps indicating some friction between the players and coaches. It seems that Tracy/Baylor are utilizing the same approach for home and away games — go for power and gappers in the first 5-6 innings and then try to generate some runs using small ball in the later innings if behind. Overall, this approach has worked at home and been abysmal on the road obviously.
When you are on the road generating runs is first priority — especially if pitching is prone to giving up 3-5 runs within the first four innings. At that point the rox hitters go into panic mode and press (heck, right now they go right into panic mode in the 1st I guess assuming the worst). It seems the rox coaches have ‘roles’ for each hitter regardless of the situation and lineup spot and if they try something different (like Tulo putting down a bunt) they may get reprimanded.
I’ll use the Twinkies as an example. I just watched them play TB and split 2-2 games— they knew runs would be tough to scratch out so in the first three games they were playing small ball from the beginning doing exactly what Ian mentioned. Get a guy on…bunt him over…try to get him to third with one/two outs and repeat each inning. If Mauer comes up and the situation demands a bunt, he bunts. The next guy is supposed to pick him up by getting the sac fly/single. In one inning the first two batters bunted for base hits and the third just missed getting the bases loaded with a sac bunt.
It’s highly likely if the first three batters had gone up against McDonald and bunted, we all would have screamed ’Hurdleball." But, it would have put the ball in play, possibly flustered McDonald if one or more got on and maybe set a different tone for the game. Maybe this is what Ian is proposing.
Sorry about the blah blah blah. I’m sure I’ve left out many salient points. Please feel free to add them. :)
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
Sorry, but bunting in general is a losing proposition. An unproductive waste of an out.
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YES BUT...
How many times we K last night? 10? More? Want to talk about unproductive wasting outs…add in our weak ass grounders, routine pop up and the dreaded GDIP…our road lineup is just unproductive outs.
Gotta be startin sumpin.
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Are you making a joke, Jeff?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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this is the standard sabermetric stance on bunting
and they have quite a bit of evidence backing it up
Nope, bunting almost always decreases a team's chances of winning relative to letting the player just hit.
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However, if you aren't hitting well then why not attempt some small ball
and manufacture some runs. I’m not suggesting that you bunt every at bat.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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precisely
believe me, I was always one of the first yodel-a-hoo-hooing when we used to get all Bunty McBunterson at HOME with Hurdle. But sometimes when the chips are way down you gotta try something…
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
yodel-a-hoo-hooing.....post of the day
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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yodel-a-hoo-hooing.....post of the day
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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The Padres disagree
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
The Padres sold their soul to Satan for the season they're having now.
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Does it catch up with them before game 162?
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, I wonder if other teams have just
completely disregarded them and haven’t properly scouted(including the Rox). It’s crazy!
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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The Rockies are one of the only teams that beats the Pads
Remember we are 8-4 against them
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
True...I'm just saying
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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The padres aren't trying to bunt
they just look like bunts. Denorfia’s inside the park HR last night was essentially a bunt.
This is an interesting perspective.
If that is the case, then they have much bigger problems internally which worries me greatly. If there is this kind of split, then Ian is treading on thin ice by saying anything publicly.
All I know, is something is definitely off.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Three reactions
1) If there is a tension with the coaches there, this would be interesting
2) Our situational hitting sucks, so I don’t think Ian’s approach changes the results much
3) I still argue our pitching problem is greater than our hitting problem (we needed six to win last night)
Bleed purple
Hmm I think just the opposite
Last night 2 of those runs were a result of bad defense
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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2010 numbers
Our average runs allowed on the road is 4.4
Our average runs allowed in road losses is 5.9
Our average runs allowed in July on the road is 4.8
Our average runs allowed in July road wins is 0.0
We give up too many runs on the road
Bleed purple
How many of those runs were the result of bad pitching
vs bad defense?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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certainly agree poor pitching and lackadaisical defense
have puit the rox hitters into a hole on the road…thoughts above are musings on Ian’s quote and their road hitting approach and trying to do something/anything to kickstart the offense…there’s no way to overcome either pitching/defense problems if they average 0-2 runs per game.
/i.e. that trifecta of suck they refer to as ‘bad baseball’ :)
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
what is the Runs scored breakdown
it definitely seems to me that hitting is the biggest problem on the team right now
oops hit enter too early
but i havent looked at the data so it may all just be selective memory
runs scored
Average runs scored on the road is 3.7
Average runs scored in road losses is 2.7
Average runs scored in July on the road is 3.0
Yep, we suck.
Bleed purple
just looked at team box scores & splits at baseball reference
and wow…not for the faint of heart. Brutal.
Since I have nothing better to do…
Road games scoring 0-2 runs before ASG: 13 (out of 88 games)
After ASG: 0-2 runs 9 (out of 20)
I’d feel better if the rox got to play the Pads and Nats primarily on the road for the rest of the season.
/Rox need to start sacrificing fried chicken 24/7and ordering cases of rum
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
oops that's 41 road games before asg
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
I just saw the Padres inside the park replay
He literally hit the ball five feet from the plate
Bleed purple
I wonder if MLB keeps records of the shortest home runs in history
If they do, I don’t see how that one doesn’t win
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Ask the Dodger official scorer
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought I could before last night
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Finally got through all the comments from the week I missed...
you people talk a lot.
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It's kind of sad
But we’ve gone beyond the event horizon before which I would read every post on PR. Now, any game thread, Rockpile or OT thread with more than 500 posts only gets read if I’m really bored or if we won an amazing game.
Yeah, I don't read game threads, but the others I do.
Rockpiles are getting to the length now that it has become very difficult to keep up. OT threads are fun but I definitely don’t have time to read them.
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I read all the Rockpiles but I don't read every comment in them
I generally “z” through sections that don’t really apply to the Rockies
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #1
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
It's to the point where I don't even catch up at the end of the day
There’s a lot of inside jokes I no longer understand
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
OT: Muzia & RMN
say hi from the stateline of CA/NV.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
I drove through Death Valley in 118 degree heat in a convertable, with the top down. Cause? Cause ____ him, that’ why.
Whatever.
You had the top dropped back so your hair could blow. Admit it.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
OT: Tell Thelma and Louise to put on some sunscreen!
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by Mondogarage on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
HA!
I’m so calling them Thelma & Louise…and I’m telling them you started it.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Which one is which?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I think Matt is Thelma...
He’s a little bit more nuts, and RMN is definitely more grounded…like Louise.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Do you know the way to LA?
RMN: So Matt, if we get to LA fast enough, you think we can hit an In-and-Out on the way to Chavez Ravine?
Muzia: To hell with that, I wanna get my $99 Mannywood wig, woohoo!!!
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by Mondogarage on Aug 6, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either that...or:
Remember those old cartoons with the little hyper dog and the big bulldog? And the little one was all “Whaddaya wanna do Spike, huh, huh?!?!?”
That could be them too. RMN is the bulldog.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
This seems more appropriate
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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I mean this in a good way, of course.
They’re both good people and a blast to hang out with.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Of course...
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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I don't.
I’ll treat them to a beer and a cigar on a lazy Sunday afternoon, but (un?)fortunately it’s obvious that I don’t fit in.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
No, Thelma's husband that gets left behind
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Or there was the Louise's boyfriend who showed up with money and a ring . . .
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Or the Brad Pitt character that robs them blind.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Wasn't that JD?
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Yeah...I guess I'm just not up on my T&L
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Yes, yes it was...
/swoons
And this role showed me the man could act……underrated performance IMHO
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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As long as you don't try to be the truck driver . . .
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Well, the backseat is kinds small
Watching the purple row from high atop the big brown monolith on California Ave
Too small for 3 BILLZ!
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
OT-Couldn't post this mobile, but put it on the facebook:
Last night, the newest Rockies fan, Margaret Faith (Yokel) was born on the 15th of Francis. All is well. Maybe the boys were waiting for her to make their annual miracle run.
Congratulations.
15th of Francis…he hasn’t made 15 starts already, has he?
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Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Wow...doesn't seem like it, but I'd believe it.
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Congratulations Yokel!!!
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Congratulations!!!!!
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^4 the Uteri
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yaaaaaaay!
This is R year!
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Congrats Yokel!!
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Congrats!
Good, you’re already rasin her right ; J
This is R year!
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Thanks for the kind words, Rowbots!
And now, a tangential story: All of the soap dispensers in the hospital say “SOAP (JABON)” on them, apparently so folks don’t get them confused with lotion or hand sanitizer or something. And every time I see one, I can’t help but going through the whole CDI commercial in my head. “Ohhh… Jabon…”
It would be funny to write SOPA on all of them
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Don't give me any ideas
When I’m up at 3am walking the kiddo down the halls, I might end up doing just that.
ot: vegas
So we turned a dollar at the stargate slot machine into 6$, then turned a dollar of that into 8$ at the Alien slots. Vegas now knows our names.
/throws SDcat09 under bus
Rowsdower! But why, Rowsdower?
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keep these kids away from the penny slots
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 10:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There are no more coin slots in Vegas.
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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Why owning Seth Smith in fantasy is exploiting a market inefficiency
http://bloombergsports.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/08/the-hidden-value-of-seth-smith-1.html
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 10:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
So I was just looking at some of the Rockies home/road splits and the numbers continue to be mind blowing
Here’s one example. The Rockies OPS as a team this season is .865 at home and just .667 on the raod which while amazing shouldn’t be too surprising at this point. What I find really bizzare though is that the Rockies highest OPS in any road ballpark this year is .789 (Miller Park). This means that not once have the Rockies been able to go to somebody else’s ballpark for one series and post an OPS over .800. You would think that with 16 different chances (the number of road parks the Rockies have played in this season) the Rockies might break out offensively I don’t know……….saaaayyyy ONCE!!!!
Worse yet is that the .789 OPS they posted at Miller Park was the season opening series against the Brewers so these numbers are actually getting worse. In fact, the only time the Rockies have posted an OPS over .700 in any road series in the last month was when they eeked out a .723 OPS against the Marlins in SunLife Stadium (and even that was inflated by one 10-0 victory)
Somebody please tell me that this can’t continue.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 10:27 AM MDT reply actions
This humidor talk is making me want a cigar.
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I thought Acid was done by Drew Estates?
I’m not a big fan…but I could never get into the infusions. It seemed like a fad back when they came out, but jeez…seems like a very long time ago now and they’re still going strong. But each to their own, I guess I like my tobacco to taste like tobacco.
To answer our question, under $10, hands down The Cuesta-Rey Centenario line, preferably maduro. The Pyramid #9 and the Belicoso #11 are my favorites. Depending on how you draw, on average the #9 should last you 45min to an hour and the #11 about 30-45min. I love the maduros because it really gives you the full flavor maduro experience, but this line doesn’t kick you in the balls. Incredibly smooth. The #9 is rated 90 by CA and the #11 carries an 87, I believe. Anyone I’ve ever given one of these to is just blown away. Great smoke, great value. Just unbelievable.
Another alternative would be La Gloria Cubana, they make several smokes on the flagship line under $10, another good value smoke that I enjoy a lot. Probably the Wavell Maduro Box Press would be my suggestion.
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Anytime. If you're ever in my part of town, I'll take you the lounge that I hang out at
and buy you a smoke.
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OT random thought
All these descriptions of you as being 3Billz and your avatar leads me to think of “The Clown” in Spawn
the one played by John Leguizama….
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Never saw that movie.
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Paint the rest of his face orange and you got my Bronco war paint.
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Didn't you have the bluefaced Phyllis avatar at one point?
that’s why I thought of it
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No...my avatar has always been this ------------------->
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hmmm...I guess I'm confusing it with another person
using a blueface Phyllis…..sorry
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hmmm...I guess I'm confusing it with another person
using a blueface Phyllis…..sorry
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It happens.
I get that a lot.
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sounds good
/looks for JDub’s part of town
/no big signs or batman lights with JDub on it
let me know where
Hahaha...indeed. I was trying to keep that on the down low,
you know, because I don’t need all the women around here showing up on my front porch.
I live up north in Broomfield, but the lounge I hang out at is the Havana Manor in Louisville, off of Dillon Rd and MacCaslin. It’s a super sweet setup. Big ass leather chairs, flat screens, DirecTV, card tables…your basic man cave.
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Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
used to live in Boulder (the good old days) but now I am down in the “Scarlet Ranch” area. Next time I am up that way I will let you know.
Where's that area at?
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I've heard of it...swinger club right? Heathens!
Funny…I actually used to live in Highlands Ranch. Off Lucent between Town Center and HR Pkwy.
Decisions, decisions.
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yup swinger club… still shocks me the one of the biggest swinger areas is Highlands Ranch.
I am more off Colorado and University. I used to live at 128th and Lowell in Broomfield.
/picks the top one and starts to enjoy the day…
Wow small world. I live in Westlake now.
Nothing surprises me about HR…white people with nothing to do.
That’s a good choice my friend. I won all these cigars in a poker game Tuesday at the Manor. the SCR by Alec Bradley is the one that I’ve really been looking forward to trying.
Next time I’m down south, let’s head to the Robusto Room in Park Meadows and have a smoke!
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Just had me
a Cuesta-Rey Pyramid #9 Maduro. Still money.
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Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
My afternoon smoke break.
They’ve been getting longer…I took a good hour today. Whatever. It’s Friday.
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Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Well you deserve one my friend.
I’ve already had one for you (Dominican), and I’m sure I’ll have a couple more before the day is over!
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I just don't know how to fix this
and obviously the team doesn’t either, but its been very hard to consider this team a true contender while these sort of splits exist. Good teams are good wherever they play. It seems we’re more just exploiting a ludicrous home-field advantage to remain competitive. I know its not that simple, but the bottom line is that we do not look like the same team home/away, and that must change — looking at you, Jim Tracy. Don’t know how you do it, but you get the big money checks so figure out a way.
What is/was our OPS at NL West stadiums ?
Maybe this won’t be as bad since we play mostly NL West opponents the rest of the way. I still think this listing ship can be righted in short order.
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Not great
.733 at Petco (91 OPS+)
.681 at Dodger Stadium (80 OPS+)
.539 at ATT (43 OPS+) Although our BABIP is like 240 here so maybe some upward regression is due
.702 at Chase (84 OPS+)
No they're right
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
/gets popcorn
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sorry
OPS+ I used were relative to player splits, not league splits. Our insane home/road splits make that look even worse than normal. Relative to the league we have actually done well at Petco, slightly below average at Dodger stadium and Chase, and horribly at ATT.
Here's something that may help
Now that we have Tulo back our road OPS should be a little higher because his road OPS of .898 is actually higher than his home OPS this season. This may also explain why we were so good at home without Tulo but then had that 2-13 road trip
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
What was Herrera's OPS during his time with the club?
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.736 OPS at home
.582 OPS on the road
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
And remember that .582 mark includes the game where he hit the home run in Florida (the only place where the Rockies have had an OPS over .700 in the last month)
We would have won that game too if it wasn’t for a walkoff home run so maybe the extra putrid road numbers as of late really can be traced to Tulo’s absence.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
He was the only one with multiple hits last night.
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Go Rockies.
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I see what you're doing here.
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Trying for an encore are we?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
OT: Broncos are dead in the water without Doom....
RIP Broncos 2010-2011
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And the crowds rejoiced
“Are you not ENTERTAINED?”
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I just watched this again last night (owns DVD)
I boo-hoo everytime …mind you, I"ve seen this movie like 50 times
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if you believe one player is going to make or break a 53 man squad then you probably didn’t think much of the squad to begin with
He’s the NFL sack leader…..that is not small potatoes.
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They can't survive without a pass rush.
Maybe Moss and Ayers will pick up the slack but that is highly doubtful.
Haven't Moss and Ayers been injury prone?
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/resists urge to hijack thread and talk Broncos.
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well, you could always go over to MHR :)
for serious discussion…
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cuz I'm all about serious discussion.
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I think they should take my advice from yesterday
Put Tebow in at linebacker.
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I could see him as a free safety, not even joking
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I think our reasons for wanting this would not be quite the same...
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Oh....I dunno......
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Well, if you feel that way, then may I suggest Tebow for defensive end?
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Well, considering Clady won't be available or 100% healthy
QB might do just as well….
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You mean the one that won't exist now that Doom is gone?
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What baffles me is this team seemed to have it "figured out"
last year. You know…the home/road splits were less wide….and we were able to, you know, win. Is there a collective group slump in baseball that I’m not aware of?
This is the same exact team from last year. It’s so…..odd.
guh
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I think the constant platooning hasn't helped
Last year Tracy stuck with a consistent lineup more often. Hope he goes back to that next year. I think the Tulo injury and De La Rosa injury were the largest factors, the rapid decline of Helton, decline of Cook, and Stewart hasn’t panned out liked I’d hope were big things too. But personally I hate the platooning.
Me either..
Its like Hurdle 2.0 except Tracy is uncapable of sitting Barnes.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 6, 2010 11:10 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Barmes
/droidfail
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by Charlie77 on Aug 6, 2010 11:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Uncapable? Is that like unpossible?
I think we’ve been misunderestimating you…
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me fail English?
That’s unpossible…
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I eated the purple berries...
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you want Mora starting at second?
You can blame Tracy for a great many things, but not for playing Barmes a lot. He is forced to with the roster construction we have had all season.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 11:19 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Barmes is wearing down..
While I agree there’s not a lot of options at 2b, he’s getting overworked and its beginning to show. Over the last month his OPS is 50 points lower than the rest of the season and its all SLG.
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by Charlie77 on Aug 6, 2010 10:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, there are some key differences from last year.
The lack of production from a few veterans (Helton and Cook in particular). In addition to the lack of production itself, this could have a ripple effect as younger players usually learn the habits tha lead to consistency from the veterans on a team. If the veterans are struggling, it’s harder to convince yourself to model them.
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The only thing I can think of is the lineup changes
Whether they be as a result of injuries or platooning or picking a name out of hat…
One thing I always remember is players saying they felt better with a consistent lineup.
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Got to remember we had pretty much no injuries in the rotation last year and it was one of the best in team history.
Cook declined. We lost De La Rosa for significant time. Marquis’ (while bad in the postseason and last 1/4 of the season) production is missed. Francis had some growing pains coming back from surgery, which is understandable. Chacin has been a plus but he’s not getting all the starts he deserves. Basically Ubaldo improved a lot and Hammel improved but everything else hasn’t been on par with last year.
I'm not that concerned about our rotation...
lack of run production pretty much insures not winning
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I disagree
Our offense is productive, but is uncanny at matching nights they don’t produce with non-quality starts. And our team ERA grows by the month.
Bleed purple
I wonder if our staff is trying to do too much
because they think they have to be perfect because they fear no run production or the BP blowing a lead…..?
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This might be the key right here...
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It totally is (at least lately)
If the team gets a multiple run lead early, they tend to slaughter the other team. If they give up a multiple run lead early, it’s over.
This was not the case earlier in the season though. There was a spell where the Rockies just could not score after the 7th inning and other teams chipped away at early leads and won, and there was that stretch starting with the Red Sox where the Rockies had several come-from-behind wins.
The only thing that even starts to make sense for me here is psychology, which points to the coaching staff and possibly older players. I’m expecting a shake-up after this season amongst the former.
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I thought it was bad mechanics?
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According to Dac on pregame before U's last start is wasn't mechanics
They said he was just trying to do too much (great news)
Well, then why the heck were they saying that all along
until that day? Weird
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According to Cook after his last start he was in perfect health
then he’s on the DL. According to Jim Tracy, Ubaldo wasn’t sick that game when everyone knew he was.
You can’t believe half of what you hear publicly from this team (and probably every other team out there).
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This makes me sad
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To be fair, an arthritic big toe doesn't necessarily "look" injured
Lots of athletes hide injury/illness, as part of the overly macho culture — even to the detriment of the team, their performance, and their future performance.
Has nothing to do with the team being deceptive (unless it’s the Mets with refusing to allow their players surgery…)
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During Cooks delivery
sometimes his right foot seems to drag a tad. At first I thought it was almost a trip, but Goodman mentioned that it was just his delivery. Now I am wondering if it is the same foot as his toe problem..anyone know?
good question..
He has always dragged his toe from what I can recall
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duh
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I think the team ERA only went up because Ubaldo had a bad stretch
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
There you go...
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It went up for a lot of reasons
Cook’s ERA went from 4.15 in June to 4.68 in July. Fancis had his slump in June and was at 5.60. De La was at 6:53 in July. The rotation just hasn’t been as sharp as last year and its due to injuries and coming back from injuries. I’m not saying anyone dropped the ball. Its just unfortunate.
Average Runs Allowed by Month in games not started by Ubaldo
April = 4.9
May = 4.5
June = 4.8
July = 4.9
Bleed purple
So it's actually been really consistent
We just had a good May from the other starters
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
With the power we have, and the runs we can score
(criminy 9 against the Cards in the 9th inning) says to me that we ought to be able to score 5-6 runs a game, unless we’re facing Timmy, Doc, Lee or Zito….
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Yeah and my point was the Team ERA went up because various starters were slumping
Team averages drown that out.
I'm not concerned about the future of it, especially if they resign De La
But there is a clear difference between the results of last years rotation, and this years. Its definitely a major factor in our current position.
I think the whole "inconsistent lineup" thing is wildly overrated
these are major league hitters – they should be able to perform wherever they hit in the lineup. If we had huge sluggers that needed protection, then I can see the need for a consistent 3-4-5 . But apart from that, blaming shifting lineups is just an excuse for poor production.
And really, you can’t blame Tracy for shaking things up when nothing else seems to work. Sending the same lineup out there day after day and expecting different results won’t work this year. We have too many guys who simply can’t do the job day in and day out.
It will be on O’Dowd to fix this in the offseason.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
But doesn't hitting behind and ahead of whom
affect the pitching approach of the opponent? You have to have protection for your leading hitters…….I would think..
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But the problem hasn't really come from the guys who need protection.
Tulo and Cargo have been fine. The issue has been the guys who wouldn’t get protectiona nd who need to step up on their own. And they haven’t. Shuffling them around doesn’t really impact anything as far as opponents go. You pitch to Ian Stewart the same way whether he’s batting 3, 5 or 8th.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
if the issue we are talking about is consistent production on the road, Cargo has been far from fine
In fact, he is one of the biggest problems
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought so,
don’t get me wrong Cargo is great, but his inconsistency on the road has been overlooked by some.
Certain lineups are better than other lineups.
But in this case (as you probably already know), I agree with BroJB. The argument isn’t that any lineup will do, more that the best lineup isn’t always the same lineup.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
And the other thing is, what is Tracy supposed to do when the "best lineup"
on paper doesn’t produce? Just keep throwing it out there? I think he’s really between a rock and a hard place, here.
This is the manager's curse.
In any field.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree with this comment almost entirely
The one exception is to your last statement. Aside from first base and perhaps second base, where should O’Dowd improve the roster? The upside of being a GM for a team whose strategy is home grown development is that you look like a genius when they do develop. But when they don’t, you’re in a tough spot. Fowler, Iannetta and Stewart just haven’t taken the steps forward that we need them to, but none can be given up on. Their development is critical
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 11:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
See my post below about Baylor
We’re reaching a point on those last three guys you mentioned where we need to know whether they are major league everyday players or bench guys. We cannot go into next season without knowing this. This offseason, O’Dowd & co either have to have proof that those guys can play, or we need to head in another direction. We’ve been tantalized by potential too long on guys that are now accumulating a fair bit of major league experience with far less to show for it than we had hoped.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I crunched some numbers
the Rockies can still finish the season 110 and 52. Sick, lets do it.
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This means undefeated the rest of the way?
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It means division title
oh and record for 52 consecutive wins to finish out a season…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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or 55 wins rather
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'll co-sign on this plan...Count me in
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what is the record for consecutive wins ?
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I don't know at all
but my guess is 17
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I remember the A's winning 20 games in a row in 2002 but I don't know if that's the record
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
ah crap was it that many?
damn my guess was off..
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
the record in
the AL is 20 (2002 Oakland A’s), in the NL its 21 (1880 white stockings and 1935 cubs). If you allow ties (or I guess in other words, consecutive games-not-lost streak) the record is 26 by the 1916 New York Giants.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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How many ties did the Giants have?
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
one
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I still don't want to count it
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
that might have been back when they didnt have lights and
games would just be stopped at darkness
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It was
I just hate comparing unbeaten streaks to winning streaks
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
One interesting thing about all these teams with these crazy winning streaks is that none of them went on to win the World Series
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
we've experienced something similar unfortunately...
also the A’s and the Astros for a time in the mid 00’s would just always have sick second halves and neither of them ever won it…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also the 1951 Giants finished 44-7 in their last 51 games to win the pennant but lost the World Series
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
37-7 in their last 44 games
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
And I think it's worth pointing out that before that 37-7 finsih that 51 Giants team had a very similar to the one we have now
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
similar record*
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
You know, I'm willing to take that risk.....
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I'm delirious today too!
I BELIEVE I CAN FLLLLYYY!
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
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Here's why Baylor should go...
I have no idea whether any of this is really Baylor’s fault. My guess is it’s not, really. But I don’t know.
But to me, the most compelling reason to try a new hitting coach will be to determine whether guys like Ianetta, Stewart and Fowler’s issues have something to do with the coaching or with their own skill sets. If they thrive under a new coach, then we’ll know it’s the former. If they don’t, we can start to assume it’s the latter.
I say this because this team will need to make decisions about the whether these three guys are pieces for the future or if it’s time to move on. The Rox need to figure this out now.
So, sorry Groove, it may be unfair, but it’s time to try something else.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I'm not sure firing him at this point of the season is wise.
If another manager position opens up and he gets that job, then fine.
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I think we are too far into the season to change the horse midstream.
If this were May or June, then I’d say okay.
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What's the difference?
Best case: we bring in a new coach who lights a fire under our offense and we make a run for it.
Worst case: he doesn’t and we continue hitting the way we are.
This team isn’t going to turn it around the way things are going now, so why throw away a season for the sake of keeping the same horse in midstream?
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
Let's think about our last homestand against the Cards and the our series against the Cubs(yes I know)
Our hitting against the Cards was great! So is Baylor telling them to completely abandon their approach against the Pirates or the Astros? I can’t imagine that happening.
I think this is mostly on the players…..
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I think Frazier said something that makes alot of sense...
I know scarey, huh). But he just mentioned that a coach can point out things to a batter until he is blue in the face, but it means nothing if the batter won’t listen.
Do you think some of the players are turning off the coaches.?
Entirely possible.......
Frazier isn’t entirely dumb. He does say some smart things….Mayo on hot dogs would not be one of them.
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And I recall we changed a pretty big horse in meidstream during 2009
That worked out OK.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
We changed that horse early in the season...not August
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But again, I ask -- what's the downside?
that feelings will be hurt? That the players will revolt and refuse to play?
This organization’s constant desire to be seen as “nice guys” is noble but, geez, sometimes you gotta do things that gotta be done.
At the end of the day, it’s a business. And right now, business sucks.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I'm not talking about hurt feelings. I think its not a good decision
unless you are sure you have a legitmate replacement already in mind and is ready to roll. Business isn’t terrible, it’s listing….
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What, in our opinion, is the worst case scenario for making the move now?
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
We are not below .500.....I don't think we'll get to .500 again.....
If we get swept by the Pirates and our pitching is brilliant in all games, but we can’t score runs or strikeout too much….maybe then….
But I don’t really see that happening.
One thing that no one is discussing is that Giambi also has the ear of these players….could he be the problem?
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Worst case scenario?
Bats truly go in the tank and we don’t even finish at .500.
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So what?
So we finish in 4th place instead of 3rd place.
As the poet laureate Ricky Bobby says:
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
You've made me wonder how many teams
that are really still contending(and we are still contending) have fired their pitching or hitting coach or manager this far into the season and still won a pennant or a wildcard spot….
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It's an interesting thing to check out
but I would say, barring a marvelous turnaround on this road trip, we’re more “pretending” than “contending”
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
Are you joking?
We are only 5.5 games out of the WildCard.
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Ifeel this year you are locked in. If Baylor is going to go it will be in the offseason.
Which may happen And if we don’t win tonight and Sat. it won’t matter.
Didn't the Phillies fire their hitting coach right before the Rockies played them?
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Yep.
Their problems were overall, though, even at home. I think in the Rockies case, figuring out the road problems is more difficult than just general hitting problems. This has been a problem to one degree or another for years. Perhaps Baylor’s doing a worse job of figuring it out than others did.
Perhaps, but given the nature of hitting coaches...
….if that is happening, then it is still time to replace the hitting coach. Which isn’t to day that Baylor is a bad hitting coach (he’s really not), but if your constituency stops listening to you, then you’re no longer effective and have to go.
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Or if you've solved a lot of problems, but there's still one or two big ones left
(like how to play consistently or play on the road) maybe it’s time to thank him for what he’s done, wish him well, and move on.
I seriously doubt he’d be out of a job for long.
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I'd let Lacheman come up and finish the season
and focus on a long term answer during the offseason
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I don't really have the answer there...
….but someone who historically really has focused on situational hitting. Needs to be as much philosophy as mechanics.
Don’t know whose available, but someone like Carney Lansford probably wouldn’t be bad, even if he’s been fired previously. He didn’t have the talent we have.
And yeah, the instant the Toddfather wants it, if he ever does, it is his. For as long as he wants it.
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He actually probably wouldn't be such a great coach
at least not right away…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm sure you're right about the "not right away" part
but the man obviously knows how to hit
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I actually think Todd will need a year to remove himself before coming back
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beyond that
I think he’d need to learn how to be a coach. What worked for him won’t work for everyone. Coaching is a skill like anything else and I dont think Todd’s ever done it.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
dont we all
itd be too good if he was there as a coach.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Only Don Baylor
thinks Don Baylor is getting another managerial job
Hey, I like Baylor
As a fan since ‘93, I have a warm spot in my heart for the guy. But it’s a business, and business can be unfair.
The bottom line, though, is that we really need to know what’s up with the Gen R guys and love on accordingly.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
It's easy to write off the impact of coaching
but then when you see guys like Dave Duncan or Leo Mazzone, or recently Apodaca, it makes you think that there’s a lot of untapped potential in players.
I’d be down to let Baylor go to find someone new, but I hope they actually do a thorough hiring process and not just give it to the AAA guy or something else. Find a coach, not a friend.
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I can agree with this....
that’s why at this point of the season, I can’t see us doing a full interview process…Maybe during the offseason
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But again - here's my main point:
How can we know if Iannetta, Fowler and Stewart have the capabilities to contribute full time next year and into the future if we can’t determine whthere their problems are coaching or skill related?
We CANNOT go into 2011 with these guys having key roles if we don’t come to terms with this. And the only way to determine it right now is to try another coach. Plain and simple.
Teams that have the World Series in their sights don’t wait around for questions to be answered.
they answer them.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
Are you talking about the WS this season or 2011?
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One hint that it might be coaching
is that all 3 of them are striking out more in the majors than they were in the minors. Of course, that could just be normal from going to the minors to the majors.
Iannetta is especially bad going from around 10 to 26/27%. Stewart trimmed it down to 28% but he was at 30% the last few seasons after striking out around 22% in the minors. Fowler is trickier because he’s at 26% in the majors and he struck out at that rate in A ball, but in a full season at AA he struck out 19% of the time.
Another note on Stewart – aside from his miserable June, he’s actually been pretty good albeit with less power than we hope/expected.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Stewart is not a solid situational hitter
which again, points to coaching. he, like other in the lineup, cannot adjust to a two strike count, cannot fight off close pitches with a two strike count and continues to try to hit 500 foot bombs when base hits the other way would work just fine.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
This is interesting
how are we as a team with situational hitting?
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It is a teamwide thing.
Which is why it’s worth trying to find out if Baylor has played a role in that or not — by letting someone else have the hitters’ ears for a couple of months.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
NL Rank
BA with RISP = 7th (.264)
BA with RISP, 2 outs = 11th (.230)
Ba with bases loaded = 16th (.198)
Bleed purple
whats are batting average with the bases empty and our batting average overall?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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yea that blows
do teams normally experience a drop in BA with RISP?
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The Padres certainly don't
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Where did you find the NL overall numbers?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
so its really just bases loaded where we're godawful
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That overall number is what makes those RISP numbers even more frustrating
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
It makes it seem like the problem is strategy or psychology.
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Execution is the problem
You see the ball, you hit the ball..
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.......right at Andrew McCutchen
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
too true!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
You don't even have to hit a ball RIGHT at McCutcheon
He’ll just run from home plate to CF and catch it at the wall…….that little son of a gun
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Yep. We need that dude!
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Too much lollygagging!
Or maybe not enough? Trying too hard?
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Also interesting the BABIPs in various stituations
we have a .231 BABIP with the bases loaded.
BABIP can be a b****
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah
but the point is that instead of debating a million old cliches, maybe we can just accept that we have been unlucky there, and at some point it will turn around. Maybe not this year, but at some point…
If it does turn around this things will get awfully exciting
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
this year*
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's compare that to the Padres
BA overall = .250
BA with RISP = .277
BA with bases loaded = .347
Damn they are annoying!!!!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn they execute.....:(
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I wonder how many of those were
Yorvit’s…..not joking
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A lot of them apparently
Yorvit’s BA with men on = .352
Yorvit’s BA with RISP = .460
Yorvit’s BA with bases loaded = .444
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup, there's our clutch
it’s with the Padres now….
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And now for the key question
If we had resigned Torrealba would we be ahead of the Pads right now?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh man....you went there...
I wasn’t even going there…lol….
/gets popcorn and settles in the chair
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I should make a fanpost about it
That ought to spice things up :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
This might result in a
ummmm great catcher war of 2010?
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I'm afraid it would result in a banning
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I doubt it...not encouraging you to do it,
but I don’t think you’d get banned.
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If we finish behind them by less than five games I think I'll do it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
If only Olivo could perform on the road
as well as home.
The lack of Seth Smith's beard is irrational
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That's for sure..
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Or in the clutch
Olivo is batting .111 with the bases loaded this season.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Srsly?
but but DINGERZ!!!!
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Yep
I feel like this thread is proving that clutch players actually do exist
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I hear the phrase
SSS being screamed by RMN somewhere in Death Valley
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I hope Muzia doesn't read this thread to him while driving because he probably would drive straight off the road
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
They do.
Just not in the way that people like to think. Part of what caused the huge amounts of anger between sides in the Catcher War was the fact that the only two positions were extremes: clutch should matter when making decisions, and clutch doesn’t exist.
I take the middle position: certain players are more comfortable hitting in positions where pressure is put on them to produce than others. I know this, because during my playing days, I was one of the latter. KI did not feel at all comfortable with RISP and 2 outs. It was like night and day. The statistically obsessed often accidentally or by choice ignore this factor because it is close to intangible, and difficult to measure.
However, of all the different skills and flaws a player may have, “clutch” is probably one of the least important, because that performance is one of the most easily inconsistent sources of production.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
But clutch is completely necessary
to winning don’t you think?
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On an individual (small sample) basis, yes.
Or in other words, you need somebody to come through in high leverage situations. Not all high leverage situations are clutch, but I can accept the comparison.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought high leverage = clutch?
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No, pressure situations = clutch.
What defines a pressure situation can presumably be different based on the person, but consider this.
Just about any time the bases are loaded, I’d consider the team to be in a high leverage situation. But there’s a BIG difference in just how clutch a hit would be if the team is up by ten runs, or behind by two.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I see what you mean
What about in a playoff game and you’re down by 8 runs?
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When you're down by 8 runs in any game...
… I’d say you want your most generally productive players more than your must clutch.
If baseball were a game where you could send anyone to the plate at any time, then clutch would be a LOT more valuable. Let your more generally offensive producers set the table, and bring in Rispy mcClutch to save the day. The funny thing is, though, that “clutch” is a flimsy enough concept that if you were to reserve one clutchy player JUST for clutch situations, their performance in the clutch would almost certainly go down.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
"clutch" is probably one of the least important, because that performance is one of the most easily inconsistent sources of production.
But it also can be the most important too because it is what decides close games
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the point is that it
should be the least important in making decisions, because it’s not consistent enough to weigh heavily.
Precisely.
“Let’s play our clutch player instead of our player with high OPS”, etc."
Should we play Clint Barmes over Troy Tulowitzki because he hits better with RISP? Etc.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
You're only using this year to make that determination though
Over their careers Tulo has a higher average with RISP so the move would not make sense. I think you need to look at career clutch numbers
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I HATE career stats.
They mean nearly nothing other than historical reference.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
They also tell you how good a player really is
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree completely.
They tell you how good a player HAS BEEN, not how good a player WILL BE.
Remember who you’re talking to here.
1. I believe speculating about the future in baseball is a waste of time.
2. I believe there are far more factors than a player’s skill at work during baseball gaming.
3. I believe the connection between various player years can reveal statistical patterns, but a player’s line 3 years ago has no form of guaranteed relevance to a player’s current performance than said highlighted patterns.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
In other words, look at a player's career stats to determine if he's hall of fame worthy? Fantastic.
Look at a player’s career stats to determine if they’re going to be a good player next year? Foolish, IMO.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
So how exacty do you go about assembling a team then?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, thankfully for some baseball team's sake, that's not my job.
But I find it hard to believe I’d jump on say Aaron Cook because he was really good in his career. One way to think about it (and this is the way most projections do it) is to follow general trends in year by year stats and go from there, but even that is nothing of a guarantee. The most important year in mot professional decisions is the previous year.
Point is, this is a job that doesn’t have a correct method, and it is one that would force me to create one that involves projecting, which is something I try my best to avoid.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
What stats are you going to use?
Past performance is an indicator of future performance barring injury.
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An indicator in a very, very small sense.
An indicator of patterns, not an indicator of results. It’s an indicator that Ubaldo Jimenez is probably going to be better than Josh Fogg, but not an indicator that Ubaldo Jimenez is going to suddenly go 16 and 2, or an indicator that Aaron Cook is suddenly going to forget how to throw a sinker.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
He's 17-2 now. Eep.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Perhaps a more reasonable example is that it projects that a pitcher who throws a lot of strikeouts will throw a lot of strikeouts.
But it doesn’t tell you how many you should expect.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
He's replaced the sinker
with the “stinker”.
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by The jDub on Aug 6, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
See Helton, Todd
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LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
that is just flat wrong
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 1:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you have any popcorn left SDcat?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup....
do you want Kettle Corn style or just butter? I have some iced tea and dark chocolate too
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You came prepared
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Always!
I even have a couple of Skinny Dips stashed….don’t tell the ushers
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/eats all the chocolate.
this is interesting. Wish it wasn’t squished over to the side though :(
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ummm I will brawl for chocolate
don’t hog it!!!
also, WM…can you pick this up..as a new thread?.
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Why?
Let’s just move it down or end it here.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Why would we end it?
It’s a great discussion..I meant move it down…what did you think I meant? I’m confused
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Make an entirely new post out of it.
But I gotcha.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
As for why to end it here, I don't think this is going to produce anything other than a circular debate.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
pshaw.....
so you don’t want to hear any other opinions on the subject? Resolution asked a great question below that I would like to learn more about…..
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Where?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
http://www.purplerow.com/2010/8/6/1608454/friday-rockpile-once-upon-a-time#43818916
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I wouldn't even begin to know where to answer that question.
Rightly or wrongly. Once again, I think there are too many factors involved. What if a player seems to only display clutch activity against a certain team? What if it’s only against a certain type of pitcher? I still believe that clutchiness exists, but it is not a strong enough basis on which to necessarily assume success.
Even as someone who supports playing players against players they’ve had success against in the past, I acknowledge that it is far from certain success.
When it comes to the success of “clutch” teams, I think you’d expect them to be better because they’d presumably hit better in situations that lead to runs, whereas the other would lead to more outs. But does that mean that the all clutch team would do better? Too many factors again (do they hit equally as well in unclutch situations too?), but oin the most basic of levels, I’d be inclined to think that the clutch team would be more likely to score more runs in certain situations, it wouldn’t guarantee success.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
you should read The Book or The Economist
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 2:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So you'd take the position that seasonal stats over a players career will remain accurate over a career?
I disagree.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Is anyone else getting confused about what is a reply to what?
It’s all stuck on the right hand side, here.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
perhaps
you should move this to a new thread…
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Or just farther down in this one.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks!
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Where did you end up going for dinner?
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just ate some pizza and ings
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29'er?
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yes sir
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I know that trick.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't understand the problem then
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd simply rather not have to do that. :p
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
i said absolutely nothing of the sort
The opposite of “next to nothing” is not “completely accurate”. Career lines are the foundation with which to make predictions of what to expect, and players tend to stay within that range of production. There are exceptions of course (remember my predictions on Belisle and Hammel were not based on career lines) but to say career lines mean “next to nothing” is pretty foolish. It doesn’t mean everything, but it sure means a great deal more than nothing. I think you’re taking a completely opposite stance to combat a per_cruced over reliance on career stats from others
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*perceived
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 2:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
No, it's the abundance of career anomolies that makes me entirely uncomfortable with the use of career stats.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Exceptions to rules dont completely discredit said rules
All guidelines and predictive methods will have outliers. If you throw it out because Garrett Jones had a good year saps you of a predictive tool. By and large, it holds firm. CHONE, Oliver, Bill James, ZiPS: they all operate on the baseline of career precedent. While there are those that far over produce and under produce those predictions, they average out to be very accurate. That is indicative of a mathematically sound model.
Or if you prefer – I expect Chris Nolan to make another awesome movie and Keanu Reeves to make my eyes bleed.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 6, 2010 2:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't consider them rules to begin with.
All I see are exceptions.I don’t see why Helton’s 2000 should have anything to do with Helton’s 2010. Heck, I don’t see why Helton’s 2007, 2008 or 2009 should have anything to do with Helton’s 2010. I don’t see why Tuylowitzki’s injyr plauged 2008 should have anything to do with a year where he wasn’t injury plagued. I don’t see a reason why Cliff Lee’s first foive years in MLB should have anything to do with his last 3. Point is, your statement about outliers is not false. It’s jut that I see just about every player as what you’re defining as an outlier.
“By and large, it holds firm. CHONE, Oliver, Bill James, ZiPS: they all operate on the baseline of career precedent.”
And when comparing lines between these projections and the end result, in seemingly most cases, they look very different.
“Or if you prefer – I expect Chris Nolan to make another awesome movie and Keanu Reeves to make my eyes bleed.”
I know you put this example in to provide context in a field I better identify with, but you shouldn’t be surprised to know that I will remain consistent: these aren’t rules either.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Ewww, typos.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah but that's where the disagreement lies
Yorvit for instance is a .338 career hitter with the bases loaded. I think it fair to say that the odds of him getting a hit in a clutch situation are higher than if he came up in a normal spot.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Uh, it is.
This is why I didn’t have a problem with riding Yorvit during his hot stretch. But the key difference is that he was also, on a whole, less productive than Chris Iannetta through most of the year, and worse yet, this fact was masked by traditional statistics, which is what made the debate even more heated. Both sides were so sure the oher was completely wrong, when in fact, I believe they were both wrong.
My position is this: Torrealba is a clutch player, but it’s not necessarily a good enough reason to play him every day. And vice versa, Iannetta is a better player than Torrealba, but isn’t necessarily going to respond as well under pressure.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Both sides were so sure the oher was completely wrong, when in fact, I believe they were both wrong.
This may be the best comment ever
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Why?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a completely new take on the topic
and it threw everyone under the bus no matter what side they were on. I thought it was awesome
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
That wasn't my intent.
And it’s far from a new take. There were plenty of people out there who refused to agree with either side.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
They must have gotten lost in the noise
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
They wisely stayed out of it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
So you're answer was Phillips? ;)
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Only if Chacin is piching. lol.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL fair enough
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This is interesting
what then becomes the value of a clutch hitter on a team with other clutch hitters vs on a team lacking clutch hitters (us?)
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This is where it gets really complicated
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey I noticed your sig line
still lists Dunn with the Reds….:)
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It was
said when he was on the Reds. I dunno I took it from some website.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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not to discount your anecdote
but I think it ignores the restriction of range problem you find at this high a level
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So in Madden 11 terms...
Your “Old Spice Swagger” rating wasn’t very high?
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Stewarts
actually been awesome since July 1st. Scroll to the bottom to see the summed stats.
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I'm a stewart guy, don't get me wrong
With his glove, if he can become a consistent plate presence who doesn’t try to hit 50 bombs, he’s my 3B for years to come. But he’s not a complete package and we need to know if he ever will be one. that’s why I’d like a new hitting coach to have his ear for the next couple of months and see what happens.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I guess the one hole in your reasoning
is that we don’t have another option that’s better waiting nor is there really a better option on the FA market so knowing if he’s the complete package or not doesn’t really do much, we just need him to improve period. He’s also close enough (I think) so that a few modest improvements will have a big impact.
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Of the three "Gen R" guys (Ianetta, fowler and Stewie)....
…Stewarts the guy I have the most faith will be a solid major leaguer in the years ahead. But if, at some point, it becomes clear that he just can’t go any further, then I guess you do what teams have done for 100 years. You go on the trade market, package some guys and bring in a replacement.
But we’re not there yet with Stewart. Not by a longshot. But I really would like to see some improvement to feel better about committing to him as our future 3B
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
Was Fowler "Gen R"?
I thought he was drafted in 07?
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Not my point, really. It's a convenient way to lemp them together.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
I wasn't picking on the Gen R thing..
I was just asking….
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None of those guys are really "Gen R"
Gen R was Holliday, Hawpe, Atkins and Barmes (from the Walker trade forward)
The trade of Walker set in motion a series of moves that would lead to a complete overhaul of the club’s roster. Castilla and Jeromy Burnitz, who led the team with 37 homers in 2004, were allowed to leave as free agents following the season. Catcher Charles Johnson, who had been acquired along with Wilson in the Hampton trade, was traded to the Boston Red Sox. Royce Clayton, the club’s starting shortstop in 2004, also was allowed to leave. Along with Holliday, who had performed ably while Wilson and Walker were out, the club promoted Garrett Atkins, Brad Hawpe, Clint Barmes, and J.D. Closser, who spent most of 2004 in Triple-A. Jennings and Chacon combined with Joe Kennedy, Byung-Hyun Kim, and top prospect Jeff Francis to form the team’s starting rotation. Other than Helton and Wilson, virtually all of the team’s regular players were under the age of 30; the Rockies dubbed this group “Generation-R.”
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Okay that's what I was thinking....
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And, it was pretty much a marketing term coined by the club
To try to draw fans to a young team of unknowns
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Right....that's what I seem to remember
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Also, I just brought that up because I was surprised to see that
since July 1st Stewart’s actually been the hitter we all believe he can be.
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That's fine....
….but one month does not make a career. He’s still a very streaky guy. But he’s young and that’s OK. Next year, though, he needs to be solid from day one.
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
well really, look at his numbers by month
June has wrecked his season. So this season shouldnt necessarily be judged by one month. Also, his inconsistency is expected considering this is his first proper full season.
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Right. As i said....
..he’s the least of my concerns when it comes to the three young guys we’ve been discussing. He still does need to sharpen his approach at the plate though, don’t you think? (And there’s no reason he can’t or won’t)
You can allow chicken to a barbecue and it can still taste awful.
a lot of our guys do, its frustrating
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Here's a different idea
Let’s reduce Baylor’s role to part time. He can still be the hitting coach at home (since he seems to have things figured out there) but we hire somebody else to be the road hitting coach. :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
well if he wants to manage again...
he better have a highlight reel from just coors to show his success as a hitting coach.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
As I tried to explain yesterday...
… this is actually a reasonable argument for firing Baylor. However, SDCat does raise a legitimate concern. I agree 100% that this isn’t Baylor’s fault to begin with. However, we know that at the very least that Baylor, even if he didn’t CAUSE these flaws, is not helping to fix them on any sort of consistent basis. Fair enough that you may want to try and see if someone new just might be able to help with that.
However, you said in one post that the worst that could happen is the offense stays the same; I disagree. This offense is bad… in certain specific cases. That means there’s room to make it worse. What if this hypothetical new coach ends up ruining the players’ approach at home too, with some radical new hitting curriculum?
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I will be cleaning for a party, but Id thought Id drop in. Don’t get to crazy without me.
Haha.
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 6, 2010 11:47 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
OT: Watching MLBN showing perfect games
They showed the Gallaraga not-perfect game…and I got emotional. Weird because I felt even worse for Jim Joyce than Gallaraga the 2nd time around…..Weird..
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holly96, I saw your comment in the recap of last night's game.....
and made a comment of my own…Your answer was brilliant…as always
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It's just so well done. You are my hero(ine)
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Link?
Please.
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It's the last post in the thread
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You're going to make me go find it.
Boo.
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fine...hold on...lazybones
http://www.purplerow.com/2010/8/5/1608135/rockies-lose-5-1-to-the-pirates#43802336
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Your timing was perfect SDcat :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
heh...I see that
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Lazy? I didn't make to 3 BILLZ by exerting effort.
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good point
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It's hard work maintaining this bod.
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I'll bet
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You have no idea sister.
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I still think this is an elaborate joke...
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What would give you that impression?
That I’m comfortable with my size?
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I dunno. Nothing bad...
I think it would be a funny practical joke. that’s all…
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Well the next time you're back in Denvah
you can see me in all my glory…as long as you actually exist and don’t bail at the last second.
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Does have to been in ALL your glory?
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Absolutely.
It’s all or nothing with me babe. And you don’t want to be left standing on the sidelines when this train leaves.
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From the way it sounds
there wouldn’t be any room on the sidelines either :P
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Indeed.
Grab a roll…and we’ll…roll?
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Rockies and roll?
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/groan
that doesn’t even get the rimshot or trombone.
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no I was thinking attending a Rockies game
and then rolling…:)
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As long as we sit in the bleachers.
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Damn you're a cheap date
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Does that mean you're buying?
SUH WEET!
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No it means you're cheap in paying for your dates
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Well better than the Giants ?
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The Nationals can still pull him back and/or negotiat, correct?
The Dodgers just got the winning claim over other teams?
Correct.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: Has anyone watched the Club on MLBN?
It’s really quite interesting
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According to Renck...
… apparently James McDonald is the first pitcher to throw his first start as a Pirate without giving up an earned run since 1907.
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Gee, glad we could help him get that stat
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
Maybe he's on a mission to prove to the Dodgers that trading him was a bad idea.
Do the Dodgers play the Pirates again this season and he could face them?
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I think the Dodgers trading him was a TERRIBLE idea, especially since it was for a fraction of Octavio Dotel.
I’ve always been high on McDonald, though.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree. I thought he was very underrated.....
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wtf
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From Renck
Rox lineup cf fowler 1b helton lf cargo ss Tulo 3b mora rf spilly c iannetta 2b barmes p hammel
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
I like this lineup
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Stewarts been awesome since July
why are we starting Mora?
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figures
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also Mora been good lately too
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
guys got 8 kids man
he needs to be home helping his wife
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My guess is they can afford help
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point
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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This may be our best lineup right now, especially against a lefty, but maybe bar none
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Eschew Obfuscation!
Um...isn't this like the 4th team meeting?
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Maybe I missed 3 others, but I don't recall.
All I remember is a sign saying “focus for 27 outs”
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry my mistake
they had two team meetings and one player only meeting……
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S'ok, I don't remember hearing about any of these either,.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember reading about all of them
/off to find links
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You don't need to. Not for my sake, anyway.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
okey dokey
I remember one was right before the Phillies series and another one earlier in the season..maybe June? And the players only meeting was in the past couple of weeks.
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What's their record in games after the first three
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
good question
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"Thou shall not lose to the Pirates"
That’s gotta be what? Number 8?
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Well, I'm certainly spotting more flaws with them than with the pitchers right now.
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by Greg Stanwood on Aug 6, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Who gets to say?
“You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you?”
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
Lollygaggers?
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I somehow picture Spilly saying this or Runnells
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As soon as someone says "lollygaggers"
Spilly’s eyebrow goes up.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
Nah....I think Tulo is the flip over the tables type
and somehow I don’t think he’d utter the word lollygagger…maybe f’in’ lollygaggers
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I agree. Not his style.
LoDo Magic, The Ghost of Tulo's Mullet or Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
true there be f'bombs
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
LOL....good call!
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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holly96: Today, I address this group of dignitaries to discuss
this delay on the peace treaty. What, are you just a bunch lollygagging diplomats? This lollygagging will NOT stand!!!".
Dignataries stand and applaud and whip out their pens
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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wouldn't that be Hollygaggers?
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uhhhhhh......no
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I think Tulo is more the
“this team is too good to be playing like *********” type.
If the 2007 Rockies can win 21 out of 22 to reach the World Series and the 2009 Rockies can come from 12 games under .500 in June to make the playoffs, why can't the 2010 Rockies make the postseason after being 51-50?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Aug 6, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Tulo sez:
“Come on BRAH…y’all are playing like a bunch of sissy’s…BRAH!”
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
i'm thinking he doesn't use the word "sissy"
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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Probably uses a "P" word.
but this is a family site.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
my cats take offence
they are pretty good at catching and hitting round objects.
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
Can anyone of them play 1B?
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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Add them to "the list"
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
I don't want you to have a heart attack by freaking out further
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra (thanks to pedalpusher)
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As David OhNo hinted at yesterday...
… Jordan Pacheco has been promoted to Tulsa to replace Rosario.
PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
Do we know who is Sunday's starting pitcher yet?
MY FACEBOOK STATUS:WAITING AROUND THE CORNER FOR FRANKLIN MORALES
Word around the campfire is that it may be Rogers.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
ah, well
productivity calls (until the game starts)…
Tornadough! Tornadough! Tornadough!
"I've swallowed the Little Book of Calm..."
OT: Broncos Jarvis Moss breaks his hand at training camp....
Who was it that said Moss was injury prone…..?
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15695260
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I'm not gloating...this actually sucks
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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Jeebus...bad year to be a Broncos LB
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
OT: I just got back from seeing "Salt". Pretty good spy flick.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
OT:
Just downloaded the awesomest app: android lightsaber! The cool part: it has music effects! The best part: it comes in purple!!!
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Aug 6, 2010 3:33 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
OT: Here's why Ubaldo will win the Cy Young from the DP
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" Ubaldo, Tulo, Hawpe and Spilly say "Germans?"
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I have a sad feeling Ubaldo
id gonna deserve it, but get robbed at the end of the year.
I Hate the Giants
I find it much more unsettling that little leaguers have instant replay. It's gone way beyond fun.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
OT: the nook rules.
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Great to hear, glad yer enjoyin'!
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you've made the plunge?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
I got one for my birthday.
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
great. let us know how it progresses. My wife's b-day is next month.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Peace out Row.
Enjoy the game. Be good and be safe.
Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.
we won't
"Ninety feet between a hot dog and my mouth is too far" - Maria M (SDCAT09 is awesome for coming up with this fake quote for me!)
Super Overlady Of the Ubaldo Lovers Club.
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.
Rock on yo, have a cigar
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