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Wednesday Rockpile: Why the Manny Delcarmen Trade Was A Smart Move

The Rockies hope that Delcarmen will make a difference this year and in the future.

Despite a gem by Esmil Rogers, Colorado lost ground in the playoff race last night. They did, however, gain a reliever (and cash considerations) from the Boston Red Sox for the stretch run and beyond in return for pitching prospect Chris Balcom-Miller. CBM is a personal favorite prospect of mine, so this hurt a little emotionally when I saw the news.

 ESPN's Keith Law liked the deal for the Rockies, while Fangraphs did not. Here's a few reasons why I'm inclined to agree with the former rather than the latter (besides the fact that Keith Law > Jack Moore):

1. Manny Delcarmen has been a great reliever in the past (>1 WAR). Twice, in fact, and in the AL East to boot. There's a reason that he had that success: he has phenomenal, strikeout stuff. This year his command has eluded him, which is why his value dipped so low. Here's hoping a change of scenery will help bring about better results.

2. Delcarmen is not just a one month rental. He'll be under team control (arbitration-eligible) through 2012 and likely won't cost that much (my guess is $3 million over two years, minus the cash that the Rockies got in the trade). Colorado made a move on a buy low, turn-around reliever candidate with great stuff that will be under team control during the Rockies' championship window (which I see lasting through 2014). CBM could have turned into the next Aaron Cook, but he wouldn't have done it before 2013 at the earliest.

3. Even as the Rockies are buying low on Delcarmen, they are selling very high on Balcom-Miller. CBM's stats this year in Asheville are very impressive (the 117:19 K/BB ratio and .97 WHIP sticks out the most), but the reality is that his stats outpace his stuff. While his floor appears to be relatively high, he's virtually a finished product: 88-92 FB with plus command and decent off-speed offerings. As such, his ceiling is limited to a Aaron Cook type 3 starter but more likely will be a back of the rotation or long relief guy. As RG noted in the comments yesterday, if CBM is ever counted on by Boston to start some games for them they are in trouble.

4. CBM was rated as a C+ prospect coming into the season by John Sickels. According to Victor Wang, a pitcher of CBM's grade and age will have a future value of $1.9 million. One might allow that CBM has moved himself into the B- grade range with his stats this year (and thus a future value more around $3 million), and I wouldn't quibble a whole lot with you. However, the Rockies have several pitching prospects ahead of CBM on the totem pole (Matzek, Friedrich, Tago, Bettis, Campos, and Nicasio come to mind, not to mention Chacin and Rogers). The point is that Delcarmen doesn't have to produce more that 1-2 WAR in two seasons with the Rockies to be worth CBM's likely future value plus the value of his contract. I don't know what to expect out of Delcarmen, who has been pretty bad in 2009, but I'm hopeful that he will rebound.

With all of that said, I am sad to see CBM, whose approach and stuff seemed to synch up very well with Colorado's organizational pitching philosophy, go in a trade for a reliever. To be honest though, I think the Rockies got the right reliever here if they were going to give up CBM -- a young MLB pitcher with past success and great stuff.

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Other News

As was mentioned in yesterday's Rockpile comments, the Rockies will send seven players to the Arizona Fall League to play for the Scottsdale Scorpions. There are three relievers (Rex Brothers, Bruce Billings, Adam Jorgenson), one starter (Greg Reynolds), and three position players (C Jordan Pacheco, SS Thomas Field, and OF Charlie Blackmon).

Rockies to get Tulowitzki back - The Denver Post

In addition to Tulo, Colorado will also have the services of IF Chris Nelson and RHP Taylor Buchholz tonight as rosters expand today. Delcarmen will join the team on Thursday against the Phillies in Denver. Also noted in the article is that Colorado did try to acquire Seattle IF Jose Lopez but couldn't make a deal work. In my opinion this would have been a terrible idea, so I'm glad it didn't happen.

NL West watch: Padres have tough remaining schedule - The Denver Post

Jim Armstrong briefly comments on the remaining slate for each NL West team. It's looking more and more to me that the path of least resistance for Colorado into the playoffs this year is to pass a limping San Diego (six straight losses and counting) and get the division title rather than to exceed the pace of the Phillies/Braves for the Wild Card. Had Colorado won last night, they would have controlled their divisional destiny. As it is, that goal remains one game out of their grasp.

Rockies Mailbag: Rocktober redux — realistic or remote? - The Denver Post

Troy Renck answers several questions from readers. If nothing else, read it for the pop culture references.

Colorado Rockies at San Francisco Giants - September 1, 2010 | MLB.com Preview

Ubaldo Jimenez tries for the fifth time to win his 18th game and take over the Rockies single season wins record. This time, his opponent will be Tim Lincecum (0-5 in August) in a pivotal rubber match.

Playoff Odds:

3.8% via Sportsclubstats, most common total win range is 83-86

11.42% via Baseball Prospectus (using third order winning %) or 12.88% using PECOTA. Here's a good explanation by Tommy Bennett of what BP's playoff odds are and how they are calculated.

Power Rankings

SB Nation and CBS both have Colorado moving up the ranks to #10.

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Nice points Jeff

I have grown a fondness for CBM this year, but to expect him to be a significant major league contributer with the other names in the system was sort of a stretch. I look at the track record in recent years of struggling reliever rehabilitation (Betancourt, Belisle) and like what I see. Delcarmen obviously has the talent., so I feel pretty good about him pulling it together at least in the years to come. Maybe the change in scenery will do a lot of the work on its own.

Above all else, this trade fills a glaring need at the MLB level, and frontline talent wasn’t given up.

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by BittenAnkles on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Mostly right on the money, but I think you left out a few >'s in the KL~JM comparison

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I heard that Tulo is

only going to pinch hit tonight correct?

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 9:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Those Renck tweets, as far as I know, were wrt last night's game

He took infield yesterday and was okay. I expect he’ll be in the lineup tonight.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 1, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

FWIW, Asheville fans were very impressed that CBM was swapped straight up for a major leaguer, especially to Boston. Also, he will start for the team 0.5 games ahead of the Tourists on Friday. Hopefully he can “help” his former team out a bit.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

considering he was a sixth round pick 14mo ago, yeah

Not a bad flip

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good morning from Grand Junction!

Gah, its so hard ro sleep on the train, but I’m pretty sure I dreamt of playoffs.

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Morning from Grand Junction right back at ya PiP!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

Bazinga!!

by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

/waves to JR

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you hear a train whistle in the next half hour, you’ll know its me : P

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 10:53 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've got to ask

Why on earth did you take a train?

by mkorpal on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Because NASA's ticket counter was closed

And hot air balloons won’t make it over the Continental Divide

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love the train.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Because its cool

And an experience.
And my grandma is skeered of aeroplanes and road trips.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be more scared of AmTrack. They derail far more often than planes crash!

More safe than a car though, I suppose.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t say derail! ; J

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 10:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry, didn't mean to scare you.

I was once on an Amtrack that derailed right behind Coors Field. It took them 2 hours to get it back on track and they wouldn’t let us off even though it was walking distance to Union Station. One of the most annoying travel experiences I’ve had.

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Derail is much better than

a plane crash though…

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m just kidding. I ain’t scared.

I’ve just heard a lot of “trainwreck” comments the past couple of days, and trying to draw attention that “plane crash” might be in better taste. : )

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This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

That comment was a total trainwreck... :-D

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

Bazinga!!

by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

trains may not be cheap or time efficient in this country

But they are easily the best form of seeing the country. You can stand up, walk around, stretch, go to the bathroom whenever you want and see a landscape you would otherwisq not be able to see.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes,

or they will by this fall where they don’t yet have it.

by Rox Girl on Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really enjoy

being able to not be connected to technology.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think so.

My phone isn’t detecting it though…but I don’t need it ; P

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The seating is a lot more comfortable too!

LoDo Magic, Tulo's Mullet or The Ghost of Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh yes!

And the train is much cheaper than plane (if your so young)!

We’ve had a grand ole time playing Scrabble, dominoes, uno..

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

A club from my old HS took the train this summer

When they went to the national convention. We checked the prices, and what turned out to take them over 30 hours cost a little more than a Southwest ticket.

Having said that, I’d love to be able to take a train trip sometime.

by Yokel on Sep 1, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm almost 100% sure that I'm going to take a train to Chicago next summer.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the bad thing is

that the network is not as extensive as it needs to be. I have to make a five-hour drive to get to the nearest Amtrak station, and traveling from San Antonio to Memphis requires going all the way to Chicago.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

We did the train from Illinois to La Junta, CO last November.

Its a pretty fun ride.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I did Leningrad to Moscow

That was quite something, not entirely in a good way. I also had just met a girl and those berths are SMALL.

by biondino on Sep 1, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

how long of a ride was that

I’ve done two 16hr rides (Budapest→Warsaw and Bucharest→Budapest) but didn’t get to Russia

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 1:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've got to ask

Why on earth did you take a train?

by mkorpal on Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

By the way, anybody who wants a new favorite pitcher to root for in the system

now that CBM is gone, really should consider Casper’s Tyler Gagnon. I mean just for his magical suit superstition alone, you’ve got to give him a lot of credit in the root for this guy category, but he’s another pitcher in that CB-M mold of succeeding with a pitch to contact, don’t walk mentality.

by Rox Girl on Sep 1, 2010 10:33 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

And he has a funny name

Anyway, I’ll root for Bettis now.

by mkorpal on Sep 1, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Im rooting for Ethan Hollingsworth from Modesto ..

He has a crazy K/BB ratio and even though he’s a RH his splits are better against lefties. If he could improve pitching from the stretch he’ll completely dominate.

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by Charlie77 on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think last nights game really showed why we needed Delcarmen

Belisle has been great all year, but we need someone else to go to in 7th inning situtations just so Belilse doesn’t have the throw his arm off in tight games this month, Delcarmen should give us another viable option.

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by Rosenort on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM MDT reply actions  

OT:

For those who missed my goodbye for now last night; I am moveing to a new place where I won’t be able to use a computer for a while. If you don’t hear from me by season’s end; Iwish you to know that I enjoyed my time here and will miss everyone.

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by Oldfoagie on Sep 1, 2010 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Foagie! I know everything will work out for the best for you!

I hope you’ll at least be able to watch Rockies games.

(As a personal aside, your insights and advice regarding my Mom and her situation were invaluable to me. I can’t thank you enough!)

I will miss your fun posts and insights, and I really admire your efforts to get back on your feet.

Godspeed, Foagie! (hug)

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by SDcat09 on Sep 1, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Goodbye again!
We will miss you!

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

TTFN

we look forward to your return, whenever it will be. Your insight and opinions are definitely valued.

by Rox Girl on Sep 1, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed. I apologise for my snarkiness early on

and want to say again how insightful and honest and beautifully written your posts are. See you soon!

by biondino on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for all you contributed her.

Come back soon!

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by Russ Oates on Sep 1, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

actually, you're probably not that far off

The Red Sox were selling low on Delcarmen in precisely the way most Rockies fans want to sell low right now on Morales.

by Rox Girl on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

except

delcarmen has had about 10x as much success in his career as morales

by Jim Jiminez on Sep 1, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

McGregor's wife: 'Keli would have expected me to step up'

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Alanna Rizzo's FB page has become the new Denver Post comments section

Some gems on September call-ups:

Is there a hitting coach that they could call up?
Id liek to see Chris Frye.
How about a relief pitcher who doesn’t choke in the late innings.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Ugh.

Who the hell is Chris Frye? If you’re that big of a fan of the guy, you should at least be able to spell his name right. That should be a rule.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it has the question ended with a period, but it needs more unnecessary apostrophes. Liek is a good word though. Has a lot of conveyance.

by Bokosse on Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Golly, I cant believe

it’s already September!

I don’t wanna go back to school!
NOOOOOO!!!!!
/gasp
I DON’T WANT BASEBALL SEASON TO END!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/kicks and screams

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

But school is awesome.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I know. But winter is boring.

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Winter is boring.

IT really is the worst season ever.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

yes,

I really hope that this offseason isn’t too bad.
Last offseason was…pretty bad for me…thank God for PR, though!
Eh, life goes by quickly anyways, even in the winter. In December, I can buy tickets to Opening Day, and in Feb-

Wait, WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THE OFFSEASON?!!?

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:53 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

nice Mondo.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

AUGGGHHH!

Don’t say that! Its too soon!

Ok, ok, ok, ok, I’m just going to enjoy whatever baseball we have left and am not going to think about what will happen in the offseason- OH CRAP I HAVE TO COOK DINNER FOR THE RED SUX FAN!
Gah! Shutup, pip!
GAAAHHHH!!!
Just don’t think about it!
GAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I guess

I’ll be ok if the Rockies win the World Series, though.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

breathe PIP

all will be well.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

/gasp

/gasp
/gasp
/inhale
/exhale
/inhale
/exhale

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This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

a hot tub

works really well for that.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Especially if you put butter in it.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

wat?

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seinfeld reference.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

/kicks self

I must’ve not seen/can’t remember that one : (

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PROJECT LIBRA: Depth / Transactions
"The highest form of human excellence is to question oneself and others." - Socrates

by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA!

I haven’t seen that one.

Reminds me of the Friends episode where the turkey gets stuck on Joey’s head.

I don’t like Friends, by the way.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

you are to young

for Friends.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know.

That’s why I hate it, and am vowing to never watch it when I get older!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

true story

I own the entire series on DVD – and am currently watching it.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s like my parents.

“Hey, kids wanna spend some quality time as a family watching a movie or something?”

“Um, sure. What will we watch?”

“Uh..how bout Friends?!”

/groaaaaaann
“I’m just gonna go upstairs and listen to the game”

“Don’t you dare! We are spending quality time together tonight!”

/grooooaaaaaannnnn

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

enjoy family time now

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

Good times!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 1:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

uh...

not sure that we can talk anymore

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

:(

i’m one sad hotdog.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

friends on dvd? for real?

bummer.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

How old are you?

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

90

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whatever you like onions

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

your dumb.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need a meat bag.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Onions are awesome

and so is Friends….

So I probably can’t be friends with either one of you…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

Bazinga!!

by Junction Rox on Sep 1, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Onions

are horrible and are the reason why we lost last night.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

i’ll be there for —baaaaaaaarrrrfffff

when the rain starts to —-faaarrrt

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

that is a good

impression of me eating onions while singing the friends theme song.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

are you just eating onions like apples

or are you putting them in things?

you have to cook them a little bit.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm allergic to onions

cooked, raw it doesn’t matter – they make me barf uncontrollably.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's weird.

i’m allergic to hacky writing and recycled storylines.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

So that

is why you get sick while doing your stand up….interesting…

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

no i get sick of the blood all over the place

after the audience collectively has their minds blown.

goin home on time fora change today.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

wrong reference

I was going for Arrested Development

Boil in Bag Dinners

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was speaking of my reference, not yours.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mines funnier.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Arrested Development is generally untouchable in that regard.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes it is.

But that Seinfeld episode is hilarious…especially when Newman sees Kramer as a giant turkey.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Hey buddy!"

/little wing wave

Seinfeld got a bit wackier in the later seasons, but it was always fantastic humor.

by Shoemaker on Sep 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahaha

I have my beef jerky : )

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

the off season

for me = watching Bull Durham every other night

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

What?

Winter is awesome in CO.

Winter is only boring in states like Iowa. Frigging Iowa.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

As an Iowan, former resident, and frequent vistor,

I must agree that winter is boring in Iowa.

As are most seasons.

by Shoemaker on Sep 1, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

all five of them?

/cedar rapids joke

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Cedar Rapids is the only place on earth

where you are allowed to enjoy your life.

The rest of the world is stuck with four seasons of dull misery.

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But Cedar Rapids

is the city of 5 smells, not 5 seasons.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

i have only experienced one

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Quaker?

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

naturally

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Winter sucks.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

winter is pretty boring in Cleveland

actually it is awful you seriously have to make a plan for yourself not to commit suicide. With Lebron gone I’m sure this will be more difficult for many in Cleveland.

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha

Yeah, I was pretty depressed last offseason. That’s why I wrote the Rockaholics Anonymous series ; P
Eh, it got me through it.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Winter + Mountains == Awesome

Winter + Midwest == Killyourself.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

who uses a pay phone any more?

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should state that I actually really like Cleveland

when it’s not winter. In the winter I look for every available excuse to get out and curse myself for thinking, “it’s a great job who cares if it’s in Cleveland”. That video is a little unfair to Cleveland though and it really isn’t as bad as Detroit.

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once you get out in the "real world"

you will realize that school is better than having a real job.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, hulk, yeah! I realize this.
School is great for me its gonna be a good year.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

20 years?

that’s more than me. Good job Tom

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.

13 years K-12, 4 years in college, 3 years in law school.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ha not anymore

but yes I was in school for a long time

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will be.

Applying for a masters next fall.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice.

My college advisor actually encouraged me to go for a Ph.D., but I figured a law degree would be worth more than a Ph.D. in political science would.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Given the job market

for getting a tenure-track position these days, probably better off.

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by Russ Oates on Sep 1, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right now

It doesn’t necessarily look like a good decision, but that’s largely because going for a J.D. right away means I graduated in roughly the worst year possible to be graduating from law school.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

really? sorry

I hated working in politics though often wish I had just stayed with law

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It'll get better

It sucks right now, but it’s not as if it’s going to be a down market forever.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

eek

I plan on only spending 18 years.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 1:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

18 years?

On the five-year plan for college are we? :)

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

nothing wrong with that.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Actually it’s quite understandable if you’re going to a state school. I went to a private school where luckily it was a lot easier to get in classes I needed to graduate in four years (and, ahem, there was much more incentive to graduate in four years…)

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

No,

6 actually, 4 for Bachelors, 2 for Masters.

8th grade was non existent for me.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 4:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Damnit...

I wish my school had let me skip a grade.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well,

I basically did K and 1st in one year when I was 5.

So in7th I had done 8th grade work already, and didn’t want to do HS level stuff w/out getting credit for it the next year.

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Dang,

this move CANNOT be good for our HAR rating!

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Dont squeeze the Delcarmen!

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/rim shot

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by jpage78 on Sep 1, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Happy Ubaldo Day Everyone!

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I've planned Ubaldo's 18th Victory Party FIVE times now.

I’d better get to use all of these baloons, streamers, noisemakers, and purple Ubaldo cucpcakes tonight.

by Shoemaker on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ubaldo Cupcakes

awesome.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

probably

would have been easier to make custom ones.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

You overestimate my metalworking ability.

Had I attempted to make my own Ubaldo cupcake cups, people would have ended up wondering why they were eating a cupcake that looked like a vomiting giraffe.

by Shoemaker on Sep 1, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

crush the Freak

…..and beat Timmay too…

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by jpage78 on Sep 1, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

ummmmm....that midget with the big hands

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by jpage78 on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

CBM

Part of the reason this trade is being viewed as a failure on the Rockies’ end is because MIke Newman of ScoutingTheSally is acting like a giant hypocrite.

Early in the season, he wrote a blog about how unethical it is for online scouts to throw out false velocity readings and then continue to cite them as fact. Yet…. That’s what he’s doing.

He clocked CBM at 92 once. He told me that he was 88-90 virtually the whole game. And yet… Yesterday, when asked by the parade of Sox fans about CBM, he suddenly tosses out the 92 again, leading many observers to suggest the Rockies got taken for a ride.

CBM can be a talented pitcher and might make the major leagues. But he’s sitting int he Francis/Cook velocity range far more than the Chacin/Rogers range.

by CSTsports on Sep 1, 2010 12:39 PM MDT reply actions  

This happened with Aaron Cook constantly.

I remember even hearing on Rockies telecasts that he was throwing in the upper 90s in the minors. Not so much.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well

he WAS in the upper 90s in the minors.

by CSTsports on Sep 1, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

And then upon call up, he wasn't?

I can’t recall him ever clocking more than 94-95 MPH in the bigs.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's far more likely that his velocity was over-exagerated.

Particularly given the climate surrounding the club and how poorly the big league team was doing. I think they were attempting to match the Mark Prior hype, ie: “see, we’re developing pitchers too!”.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

He was throwing in the mid-upper 90s early in the minor leagues and then lost it gradually.

This is relatively normal.

The list of guys who lost velocity after high school is very long.

by CSTsports on Sep 1, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is this something we should worry about with Matzek, then?

I’ve been trying to pay attention to his starts in the minors; does he profile as a pitcher that will lose velocity but gain control as his minor league career progresses?

by Shoemaker on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's been in the back of my mind

But the more likely issue is that he threw in the 92-95 range consistently in HS, which is where he is now. I know 96, 98s were floated out there, but I’m a touch dubious after following Matzek reports this season.

I’m sure David OhNo or Rox Girl can touch on this subject more.

by CSTsports on Sep 1, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I sat directly behind the scouts table last night for Matzek. The ballpark gun had him touching 97, but every single scout gun had him between 92-94.

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2010 2:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

I thought we had heard he was 90-92 and hit 93-94 a couple times, this is good news. I would still love to hear he starts sitting 95-97, but I don’t see that happening.

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by smokinRox on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a couple innings from his start, I’ll post them for the scouting eyes around here to analyze by the weekend, hopefully.

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Couple innings filmed*

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2010 2:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i'd go with the ballpark gun.

those are usually the most accurately calibrated.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

But in the South, the ballpark gun is usually a cannon…

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by Muzia on Sep 1, 2010 2:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

BOOM!

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the South

the ballpark gun is nonexistent at a couple of ballparks I’ve been to.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to give it a little from column A and a little from column B.

But it’s not like when he was in the Springs or even Tulsa did we ever hear, “gosh, Cookie has lost about 5MPH off his fastball.”.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, I think you're a touch off base

You’re certainly throwing a lot of hyperbolic, hypothetical quotes in your comments.

Aaron Cook was a high-velocity guy, was billed as a high-velocity guy and then slowly lost the velocity. Hell, he was throwing harder early on for the Rockies than he is now. It happens. I believe there was some injury issues and then, obviously, the blood clot.

by CSTsports on Sep 1, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may hypothetical, but it's hardly hyperbolic.

Organizations try and market guys that are in the minors all the time. We saw it this year with the Nats and a few years ago with Gen “R”. And selling those season ticket packages are a lot harder when you’re trying to pimp a low 90s sinkerballer versus a high 90s fireballer.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

And even when he came up...

…most of the conversation was about his pitching I.Q. and his sinker. He was hardly blowing people away.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

part of it was a pretty spotty injury history in the minors

He’d come back from an injury and lower velocity readings were chalked up to that rather than a permanent decline. Part of it also was ditching the four seamer he used to have, which was a couple of ticks harder but had zero movement.

by Rox Girl on Sep 1, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.

When a little lost velocity means more movement, it’s probably a good thing.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right.

Top velocity readings are far less important than the readings that he regularly gets. I’m far less interested in whether or not a pitcher can throw 95 when he reaches back and throws as hard as he possibly can than I am in what he regularly throws. It’s one thing to be able to throw 92; it’s quite another to be able to consistently throw 92, which is what saying “he throws 92” implies.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the trade is pretty simple.

We traded a non-major league player that’s probably 2 years away from taking the field for a major league player while we are desperately trying to make up ground.

The big issue I have with most of the statistical tools for evaluating the growth of minor league players is that they rarely, if ever, project them doing more poorly in the field. And the assumption seems to be that they will always improve, which I think is a fallacy. There ratio of people who play in the bigs versus all the people in the world that play baseball is quite disproportionate. To assume anything other than Balcom-Miller not playing in the bigs is arguing against the numbers. Sure, his stats look good, but it’s not like he’s going to wake up and start throwing 95 MPH.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

This.

Brandon Hynick, 2006 (Casper): 4-3, 2.41 ERA, 71 IP, 9 BB, 79 K
Brandon Hynick, 2007 (Modesto): 16-5, 2.52 ERA, 182.1 IP, 31 BB, 136 K
Brandon Hynick, 2008 (Tulsa): 10-7, 4.44 ERA, 172.1 IP, 31 BB, 97 K
Brandon Hynick, 2009 (Colorado Springs): 10-9, 3.83 ERA, 48 BB, 92 K
Brandon Hynick, 2010 (White Sox organization): 4-4, 4.39 ERA, 106.2 IP, 33 BB, 75 K

Sometimes, pitchers who pitch really well in A-ball get better. Other times, they’re about as good as they’re going to get when they’re in A-ball and stall out when they reach the upper minors. CB-M actually strikes me as quite similar to Hynick: decent but not great stuff, excellent command, pitches very well in the low minors. CB-M’s K rate kept up better in A-ball, though it was low-A rather than high-A, but I can still see him hitting a bit of a wall in AA.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man I hate this second half vibe

where I’m actually nervous about what random crap will keep Uball from his 18th, whereas in the 1st half I was so confident of sure victory every time out. Add that to the suspicion that the Road Rox are precisely what Timmy needs to “get right” and I almost can’t watch…

Also, anyone else of the mind that the Great Tracy Debate is about to come to a head? I know its been going on forever, and manager debates never really end…but I think the team’s September performance this year will be the foundation for the offseason discourse. Throw away what he did last year and this year to date…we’re going into Sept with a healthy squad and a legitimate playoff chance. Will a strong Sept push change the minds of the doubters? Will a flat September and a fade finally push the holdouts into the hater camp? Will it all depend on CDI’s playing time like last year? Or is everyone so entrenched that it won’t matter? Fun stuff, should be a damn interesting month. Go Rox.

by Teekalong on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Unfortunately

The Rockies seem not to be of the MLB mindset to constantly be making managerial changes. I mean, look at how long Clint Hurdle lasted as manager; most MLB teams would have canned him well before ’07. Maybe if George Steinbrenner were our owner…

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He almost did

buy the colorado rockies.

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hockey Team...

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by Maria M on Sep 1, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

nothing because they did this to us also lol

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Rocky lost them.

I still believe...
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by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 4:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's strange to think

that the Astros might be fairly close to contending right now if they hadn’t had such a terrible start to the season.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

while this may be true

the dodgers are going to lose which would normally be great except this time it means the Phillies will win.

3-0 for the really bad guys

by arpagamos on Sep 1, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Normally it would be great

but right now we don’t need the Dodgers to lose, because if we start winning we’re already ahead of the Dodgers, and if we don’t start winning, well, we’re not going to the playoffs then, either.

by Tom (RFTN) on Sep 1, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jack Etkin confirms that Corpas will be undergoing TJ surgery.

http://www.insidetherockies.com/2010/09/01/corpas-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Corpas will be missing most if not all of the 2011 season, depending on how his rehab goes.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 3:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Corpas' contract situation is interesting.

2011 will be a lost season for him, and it is his final year under guaranteed contract with the Rockies. He has a 2012 option that will almost certainly not be picked up. However, even with the option bought out, Corpas will not have enough service time to leave the organization.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed, but you take that risk with any player you sign.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a mild stranglehold, but we also already potentially covered his roster spot with the acquisition of Delcarmen.

Our committed payroll stacks up like this.

Signed/Guaranteed:
- Todd Helton: $6 million salary + 4.6 million signing bonus = $10.6 million
- Aaron Cook: $9.25 million
- Huston Street: $7.3 million
- Troy Tulowitzki: $5.5 million
- Rafael Betancourt: $3.775 million
- Manny Corpas: $3.5 million
- Ubaldo Jimenez: $2.8 million
- Chris Iannetta: $2.55 million
- Ryan Spilborghs: $1.95 million
- Miguel Olivo: $500 thousand option buyout

Optional Pickups:
- Jeff Francis: $7 million
- Miguel Olivo: $2.5 million

Arbitration:
- Clint Barmes
- Jason Hammel
- Taylor Buchholz
- Manny Delcarmen
- Matt Belisle
- Ian Stewart

Minimum + Split Contract:
- Seth Smith
- Dexter Fowler
- Carlos Gonzalez
- Franklin Morales
- Matt Daley
- Greg Reynolds
- Esmil Rogers
- Jhoulys Chacin
- Samuel Deduno
- Edgmer Escalona
- Hector Gomez
- Jonathan Herrera
- Mike McKenry
- Chris Nelson
- Juan Nicasio
- Matt Reynolds
- Chaz Roe
- Eric Young Jr.

Leaving via Free Agency:
- Jorge De La Rosa
- Jason Giambi
- Melvin Mora
- Joe Beimel

That’s about $48 million committed, with that number rising to about $57 if Olivo and Francis are both picked up. Factoring in arbitration eligibles as about $10 – $15 more million (just a vague prediction), plus $400,000+ minimum salaries for about eight players to fill out the roster, then we have a reasonable payroll estimate of about $70-$75 million’s worth of payroll, give or take a few million. If they’re willing to spend in the same neighborhood they did this season, there’s wiggle room for free agent signing there.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which is why signing JDLR is a real possibility IMO

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 1, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

This of course doesn't include players that could be purchased for Sept. callups or likely offseason protection purchases like Weathers and Rosario...

… but most of those are probably unlikely to make the team anyway, with an outside shot at one of Matt Miller or Cole Garner, if they’re add to and stay on the roster, taking a fifth outfield spot.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Plus, they'll all be min. salary.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish we could get rid of cook's contract

"Don't give up, don't ever give up" - Jim Valvano

by nodakroxfan on Sep 1, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow.

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 4:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tulo IS in the lineup tonight (as is Helton)

And the people rejoiced.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 1, 2010 4:16 PM MDT reply actions  

No Iannetta

even though he is 6-12 with a dinger off Timmeh

#11

by Rosenort on Sep 1, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Olivo always catches Ubaldo and has 4 hits in the last two games.

Is probably what he was thinking. (Not that I agree).

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by Neclord56 on Sep 1, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

And it’s not like Iannetta has been lighting it up. But his wRC+ numbers for the last three months go 135, 189, 34; Olivo’s are 112, 112, -29. Olivo struck out 19 times in August and walked once. Of course, anything can happen on a given night, but I’d take my chances with Iannetta here.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 1, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think this is enough evidence to find Jim Tracy on charges of irrational hatred to Iannetta

Both catchers are far from perfect, but there are three things that are impossible to argue.

1. Iannetta has hit Lincecum as well as anyone in the league.
2. Olivo is flat put terrible on the road.
3. Iannetta excels against lefty pitching

Yet the notorious micro manager himself decides to ignore these clear splits, not giving Iannetta a single start in a road series vs two lefties and Lincecum. For what reason? It had better not be that our threes starting pitchers are Latin.

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 5:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I think CDI is in the doghouse I couldn't speculate why.

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by Neclord56 on Sep 1, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'd say it's about 50% that the pitchers are latin

and 50% he thinks he’s “getting hot” because he got 3 seeing-eye hits

by Jim Jiminez on Sep 1, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

apparently it is because tracy wants olivo to be ubaldo's personal caddy

Even if you accept that, it doesn’t excuse the previous two nights vs lefty pitching

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 1, 2010 5:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

you'd think Tracy would learn his lesson

that if you play Olivo 80% of the time, he’s going to get tired halfway through the season and start sucking. Instead, he continues to play him 80% of the time, matchups be damned.

by Jim Jiminez on Sep 1, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

YESSSSSS!!!

Rirfhappyface.jpeg

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 4:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

wooo

homer and 3 rbis tonight from him

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 1, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't know if this was mentioned

Brad Hawpe to bat 7th as Tampa Bay’s DH tonight in his AL debut.

#11

by Rosenort on Sep 1, 2010 4:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh wow.

I don’t know if I’m ready to see him in a different uniform…

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 4:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am.

I’m excited for him.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good for him! I hope he gets dingerz!

LoDo Magic, Tulo's Mullet or The Ghost of Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
2010 Rockies - It can happen!

by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 1, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just about to post that.

CarGo’s home isolated power (.395) is insane, as are the sheer amount of his XBHs (63 and counting).

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 1, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I posted this over there

but his August BB/K rate of 0.53 has me very encouraged. He’s seemed a lot more selective lately. And I think he hits the ball as hard as anybody.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 1, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hawpe Ks in Rays debut.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 1, 2010 5:41 PM MDT reply actions  

WOOT WOOT!

I CAN SEE DENVER I CAN SEE MY HOMELAND I’M ALMOST HOME OH GOLLY OH GOLLY I CAN’T WAIT TO BE HOME OH DENVER, I HATH I MISSED THEE! I CAN SEE YOUR GLORIOUS FACE!
OH GOLLY!
: D
: D
: D
: D
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I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 5:44 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

But he’s in SF, where I just came from….

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 1, 2010 6:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pads get 3 straight 2-out hits

one by Stairs PH-ing for Latos
and take a 2-1 lead in the 7th

Mediocrity sucks

by Maris6161 on Sep 1, 2010 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

BOOOOO!

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by Neclord56 on Sep 1, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pads botch DP

(E on Tejada)

Snakes have bases loaded, no outs

Mediocrity sucks

by Maris6161 on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Grand Salami!

Brandon Allen.

1st game back in the bigs.

5-2 Snakes.

Pads collapse continues

Mediocrity sucks

by Maris6161 on Sep 1, 2010 6:09 PM MDT reply actions  

This is pure gold from Lookout Landing

Exploratory Surgery

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