Thursday Rockpile: Rockies better get a good hotel this time
by Rox Girl on Sep 16, 2010 9:10 AM MDT
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PrintTroy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez received some praise from Bud Black in this Tim Brown column, despite being on the losing end this series:
"I don't know if there's a better three-four in baseball," Padres manager Bud Black said.
It's quite a compliment, and while there are likely a couple of pairs in baseball (Pujols/Holliday) that probably put a lie to Black's statement in current talent, it's hard to argue that the Rockies aren't in a very good position with this pair moving forward.
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Adrian Gonzalez deserves attention for the MVP. True. If the Padres hang on and win the division, I think he probably deserves it as much or more than anybody else in the league. I think this year it's a "several worthy candidates" season in the NL, and I really don't believe there will be cause for outrage if it's Joey Votto or Adrian or Carlos Gonzalez or even Pujols or Ryan Zimmerman. If it's a Phillies player, than we can get ticked off.
The bigger point here for Rockies fans, however, could be that second note, that the team is really taking a serious look at Eric Young Jr. to the point of not playing Clint Barmes against a pitcher that he's had some success against. EY2 is sporting a .340/.389/.380 line over the last two weeks, it's similar to the .308/.379/.385 line of Dexter Fowler in that same time-frame. You might have noticed, but the Rockies record over that time period is also fairly decent. For the Rockies to sustain momentum, it's crucial that both players continue to set the table for Cargo and Tulo over the coming road trip and the remainder of the season.
That's the 2010 microview, but there's also a bigger picture development playing out, which has the Rockies looking for ways to maximize the impact of their twin MVP's in the heart of the order. Choosing Young over Barmes and Jonathan Herrera signals that OBP and speed are the priorities for both the first and second lineup slots, and that the team is willing to sacrifice some defense and power in order to get it.
So far, the experiment has been remarkably successful. After splitting time with Barmes and Herrera for a week in mid-August, Young was seemingly inserted as a full time starter at second base on August 22. If the date rings a bell, that's because it was the day the Rockies were 11 games back. They've gone 18-6 and made up eight and a half games on the Padres since.
There's a lot of this that's coincidence, and you'll find many baseball observers on both the scouting and statistical side that don't view Young as an ideal solution for a full time second baseman, but it's difficult to argue with the results thus far. The Rockies have found a spark and that spark came in at the same time that Young did.
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You missed this article about CarGo and the MVP race
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Wow, I never thought I would like a Ken Rosenthal piece...
he didn’t harp too much on the home/road splits and correctly pointed out that Cargo plays gold glove defense at all OF positions and can steal bases… TRY THAT VOTTO/PUJOLS!
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 16, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I was really suprised by it.
And the thing about the slugging % was really cool – CarGo is a beast of a player, and I’m looking forward to the next couple of years with him and tulo in the lineup.
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Check out CarGo's SLG% in PetCo and compare it to the other good hitters in the NLWest..
…………..Petco SLG%
CarGO .553
AGone .459
A.Huff .486
Ethier .286
M.Reynolds .387
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Tulo likes Petco too, he posts a .583 SLG there.
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It says a lot about CarGo
that in a game where Tulo had 2 homeruns and 7 RBI’s they chose to walk CarGo and load the bases – for the chance to pitch to Tulo.
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I'm sure Ruth was walked plenty of times to get to Gehrig
We may have a similar situation here for years to come. How awesome is that?
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Nothing can compare to bringing extra attention to a misspelled word…
The Phillies have the BEST record in the NL and have been DESIMATED by injuries
…except for butchering the name of a player on the team you’re so desperately trying to defend:
So who has carried them? Placido Blanco and Ryan Howard. Take your pick. Blanco and Howard won’t get it, but another World series ring will be their consolation.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
You almost have to excuse Phillies fans because of the....
VAPORS!
I kinda feel bad for them. I mean, they do have to live in Philadelphia.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Philadelphis is a historic city
And also terribly polluted and filthy, away from the well known historic monuments. And their population is rude. Philadelphia has one of the highest crime rates in America.
Philadelphia is a horrible city, and a worse metro area.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree, but I like Philly and enjoy visiting my old stomping grounds often.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
going to my old stomping grounds. That’s right, it’s the Holiday Inn, by the interstate. step on it.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I've only been there a couple of times
Of course, it also has a history of the police bombing houses with C-4 explosives, which, even in most crime-ridden cities, does not take place.
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Philly housed the British Army during the Revolutionary War..
While George Washington’s men were dying of hunger and frostbite, the people of Philadelphia where hosting extravagant balls for the British General Howe. The British left Philadelphia a stinking sewer that spring.
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/snort
everyone should visit philly once for the historical aspect. Living there sucked. Hard. Something which people who live in suburban/exurban areas near Philadelphia never seem to understand.
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I lived in Mount Holly, NJ (which was very nice)
30-45 minutes away from Philly. So my perspective might be off.
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yeah, that's pretty much a garden spot
I lived on the naval base (back when it existed) and in NE philly. Went to school in center city. Would never go back if I didn’t have people close to me there.
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
But Its Always Sunny in Pheladelphia
Sidenote: That show’s season premiere is tonight. I am very excited.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going back to Philly, Philly, Philly.
I’m going back to Philly,
Naw, I don’t think so.
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Have there been any signs regarding why Young gets starts over Nelson?
Is it solely about OBP at the top of the lineup? I’m still trying to figure out why the front office chose one player over the other.
Nelson’s last two seasons suggest he is a .350+ OBP player but with more power.
EY2 has a simiilar OBP but with more question marks at defense.
They are both the same age and with plus speed.
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How much of it
is a marketing ploy/sentimental reasons?
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I'm not saying the only reason
he is playing is for the marketing/sentimental reasons – but him and Herrera have similar stat lines – both could be starting right now instead of Barmes – however one of them is already in his own commercial for the team – and the other is a guy who nobody really knows who he is.
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EY
is a little younger than Herrera, also, Herrera has either taken major steps forward, or has been playing over his head this season because it’s better than anything he’s done in the minors. EY on the other hand, it seems he’s been playing under what he’s capable of – it seems like his average/BABIP should be higher, and is walk rate can probably increase.
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Remember the Rox management really rate Herrera
It is possible that he really is as “good” (please define as you like) as he’s appearing this season. It certainly seems true that he’s the ultimate team player, very grounded, coachable and unslefish. And that’s from someone who’d rather see Nelson playing.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
My assumption is that there are a couple of things working against Nelson.
First and foremost, the Rockies aren’t going to fix what isn’t broken. If they’re getting a .750 win percentage with the current team, they probably aren’t going to want to mess with the chemistry too much.
Second, because of that .750 win percentage, the Rockies are now back in a playoff race, and manager’s aren’t going to experiment with an unproven bat at the MLB level as long as the playoffs are on the line. If the Rockies bite the dust this road trip, I suspect we might see a Nelson start or two in the last ten games.
The minor league stats aren’t always accurate predictors of what a player will do, particularly if they’re coming from Colorado Springs or some of the PCL’s other extreme ballparks.
I don't disagree that you don't fix what aint broke as they say
but can someone please explain to me why guys like Herrera and EYJ have been given opportunities over Nelson in the 1st place. Once they are insterted and things are working, it is very hard to change, but the initial decision is what puzzles me. You would be hard pressed to find one thing either of those 2 guys do better than Nelson, other EYJ’s speed, but when you take away all the things he does worse, it seems like a no-brainer.
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This may be a better phrasing of my initial question
when you are looking at two very similar players with similar skill sets, what is the determining factor? I would think Nelson would have received the edge in that race as a former First Round draft pick, and yet…
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Why is everyone avoiding what I said upthread
Marketing is the difference.
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if that was the case, Jeff Francoeur would still have a job.
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I'm serious though.
EY2 has a commercial – the fans know and love him – Herrera while he did fantastic while Tulo was out – most fans still don’t know who he is. Is this a factor in who gets the nod?
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Not at all
The marketing department and front office don’t write out lineup cards, and Jim Tracy could care less who made commercials in the preseason.
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there was quite a bit of cheering for Johnny H yesterday
he’s making a name for himself, slowly but surely.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't see Herrera as a leadoff guy
EY has disruptive speed and fits well at the top of the order.
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Exactly
Johnny is a prototype #2, imho. But with us having The Player, there’s just no spot for Johnny at #2.
Neither Herrera nor Nelson are leadoff guys, and Dex kinda proved he wasn’t optimal there, either. So, if you’re going to have either Johnny or Nelson be your starting 2B, then you’ve created a lineup issue.
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Herrera should be in the 8 hole when he plays at all.
I’m sorry, I really don’t get what Herrera has done that makes him a candidate for a starting position.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, people really need to get off of the notion that he's a starting-caliber player
It’s actually kind of wearing on me.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe not, but if you can’t see the value of having a guy like Herrera on the team, I don’t know what to tell you.
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He is the prototypical 25th man. I get that. I just don't want him to be anything else.
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Oh I can see the value of having him on the team,
just not in the lineup – not everyday, at least.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I do agree with that
but you also have to appreciate what a gamer he is. He’s not a career starter but he’s no slouch either. He stirs things up, gives you a good at bat and plays his heart out. That said, free Nelson!
what does any of that mean?
The minor leagues are stocked with guys who stir things up, give good ABs, play their hearts out, and could probably post a ~.330 OBP. Herrera is not special, I’m afraid.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
It means he competes at this level
the minors are not stocked with guys who can. If most of them came up they would get owned by MLB pitching. Hererra is someone who can contend if needed despite his lower talent ceiling.
if what we've seen from Herrera is what we have going forward
he’s going to be destroyed by pitchers in 2011
Every team has a guy or two like Herrera. Problem is that out of all the guys like Herrera, only a couple of them are actually any good.
Herrera on the bench? sure why not, it’s no different than Omar Quintanilla on the bench. He’s an all-glove middle infielder who has found some holes and missed some gloves while batting. Good for him, too, because if 2010 is his 15 minutes of fame, good on him, because I doubt it’s going to get any better.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
that home run was so amazing
I don’t mind him on the roster, but that’s assuming he isn’t blocking ANYONE WHATSOEVER who isn’t BLATANTLY below his talent level. Sure, if he’s here, he could be worth something. But if ANYONE better is available, I sure hope they’re not too sentimentally tied to him.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
completely agree
which is why I said Free Nelson who has a much higher ceiling. The difference is the approach from the two guys. One has less talent but used it better. The other has more talent and doesn’t seem to use it as well. In the economy of talent Herrera is the proverbial rags to riches player. Although not that rich and not that ragged. It just sounded nice.
I know what you meant
he is the kind of guy who is so different from our HACK AND SLASH team that he SEEMS to be a good option purely because he’s different.
Like, if we had David Eckstein….well I’d just be annoyed as hell that we have David Eckstein. But the point is Eckstein (from like 2007 and before) was scrappy, contact, hustle, heart, other such things used to mask a general lack of ability, but he was also a decent baseball player. By “decent” I mean your 8th best starter, but he could post a .350+ OBP, which is far from bad, and he could do it regularly. The problem was that his skillsets were almost overvalued by some because of a nice reaction-formation type of mentality toward the steroid era.
Lump Herrera in that as well. I’m not directing all this specifically at you, just at the thought that Herrera should be on the team purely because he’s a scrappy latin contact hitter who plays with his whole heart and that’s it.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
I was actually going to use Eckstein because that’s who he reminds me of. Although he has no where near the track record or even ability. He sure plays hard and steps up and that’s what I like.
it's overemphasized on players who just aren't that good
it’s like the “atta kid, you go out there and do your best! ok now Cargo go actually get a hit ok?”
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah and by contrast
If Chris Nelson took more of a Herrera approach he might find a spot on the team a lot sooner. Granted they are different players. Nelson isn’t a switch hitter, he’s faster and has more power. He seems to play like a first round draft pick while Herrera just plays harder all around, more like a undrafted player.
Herrera should not be starting at all (and no he didn't do fantastic while Tulo was out)
He’s a replacement player and the Rockies have three better options already on the team.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Leads the team in "Clutch"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
He's second to Giambi now per Fangraphs.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I may have read that before Sunday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Francoeur DOES still have a job...for Texas as a platoon player.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I doubt a player's draft status six years ago means anything to Jim Tracy in 2010
Nor should it, really.
I don’t have an explanation as to why it’s EY EY EY EY over Nelson, however.
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I was using that to illustrate potential ceiling more than anything
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Nelson's defense at second really isn't that great yet
He’s a case where what he does at shortstop doesn’t slide over to the other side as well as you would expect it to. Still he’s probably comparable to EY2 in that department, but clearly inferior to Herrera and Barmes.
I don’t want to go too far in bashing him though, because I think ultimately you’re right, he will outshine both.
Age and minor league experience have a big part to do with it. Young’s coming up on his 3000th professional plate appearance, almost 1400 of those have been against advanced pitching (AA level or above) where breaking balls are more effective, Nelson only has 800 or so. Herrera had even more. Both Young and Herrera are closer to their peak seasons, while Nelson, given that he’s not really a star quality player, is less likely to have a breakout this season.
Money’s a factor too, delaying Nelson’s service clock probably came into play. EY2 and Herrera were running out of options (although the team figured a way around that with Herrera).
Finally, and this is sort of related to the experience thing, but you have a culture in baseball where players outside of your superstars are expected to “pay their dues”. Young and Herrera have been ST fixtures for three seasons, everybody on the Rockies knows them and know what they bring. Nelson’s still somewhat of a clubhouse outsider by this standard, although his call-up now and next ST should change that.
I think people are seeing a wider gulf between Nelson’s talent and EY2’s talent than really exists. While it’s there, it’s not enough at this point to fully justify the expense and loss of depth in 2011 and it’s not likely that Nelson would be a difference maker this season between playoffs or not. I have no qualms with the Rockies giving EY2 and Herrera deeper looks given the circumstances, as there really were decisions to be made with them and Barmes this offseason as to who to keep, who to let go. Nelson’s an automatic keeper.
how come the rockies haven't transitioned Nelson to 2B sooner than now?
Do you think that he will start off next year playing 2B full time in AAA?
And what about 3B? If EY takes the full time gig at 2B could Nelson move over to 3B and provide a good platoon with Stewart?
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Because second is still seen as easier to learn quickly
And the team would rather have him see and field as many GB’s as possible, meaning he plays short. I don’t think Nelson stays behind the curve at second for long, I just think that this year, his defense wasn’t likely to be an improvement over EY2.
As for the future, Nelson’s clearest path continues to be second base. Stewart’s enough of an asset at third that platooning’s not likely to take place. Nelson and Young are going to grapple for the starter and super-sub role for the next couple of seasons.
RG has nailed most of my views here
and while I want to see Nelson as much as the next guy (OK not really, some of y’all are really obsessed) I fully dig what has happened to date. One point that has been overlooked (though probably covered by the “paying dues” note above) is that EY would have been on the team all season barring his injury, and his shot at the job might have come much sooner. The fact that he got healthy around the time of the September callups is clouding some judgment, I think — people see Nelson and Herrerra coming to the roster at about the same time EY returns, and think they’re all in the same boat, but they are not. EY2 “made” the team straight up, whereas the others are injury replacement/Sept guys, which is a different issue. Its clear that EY2 was simply first in line for the job, then Herrerra, then Nelson. This must come from the FO’s evaluations prior to the season, and nothing this year has convinced them to skip Nelson to the front (and EY2/Herrerra have been pretty good).
For this year, I think the FO/Tracy’s treatment has been fair if not ideal. But going forward, Nelson needs a fair shot.
good point on the injury
it really did seem like we were transitioning from Barmes to EY in May but then he had to go break his leg or whatever…
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One thing to add on the Rox Girl's and Teekalong's points, or at least make more clear:
Nelson’s behind EY and Herrera because he couldn’t stop getting hurt the past few years. That’s why EY and Herrera have more ABs against higher level competition.
I also read somewhere, and agree, that Nelson was kept at AAA for the full season to ensure that he was playing everyday, rather than getting a few ABs here and there for the big club.
Now looking to next year, I think we’ve seen enough good things out of EY, Herrera, and Nelson to say farewell to Barmes. My guess is that it’s EY starting the season at 2B, Herrera as the utility guy, and Nelson as the everyday starting 2B at AAA.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd also like to point out
that according to UZR, Eric Young is actually having a really good season defensively at second base. His UZR/150 for the season is 13.8 and his only problem has been with errors, which I think is easier to correct with practice than range. However, is UZR rating for the season is negative because of how bad he was in the outfield.
So basically, there’s hope that he’s actually a pretty good defender at second – so if we were willing to put up with Barmes’ offense for years because he was a pretty good defender, we should really have no problem putting up with EY’s much higher offensive potential because he hopefully won’t be hurting us in the field.
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I've missed his worst defensive games
But my observation suggests that his defense has been “good enough” and occasionally very good. I haven’t seen him miss many/any plays that I really thought were beyond the pale, and he’s made some nice plays along the way. The recent flood of errors is alarming, to be sure. But overall, the hulaballoo about his defense (infield, anyway) has been overrated.
The last loss to SD was a direct result of EY misplaying two balls in the field..
that would have limited at least 2 runs. I like EY, so I would give him the benefit of the doubt because of his speed at the top of the order and how he disrupts a pitcher. But I also want to point out that according to BRs Defensive War, Barmes is the ranked 6th highest ranking defensive player at any position.
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I'm not making excuses for that
I didn’t see that game, to be fair. Any game lost directly attributable to bad defense is really a significant problem. I don’t mean to marginalize it. But like everyone, he can have a bad day, and it seems his bad day was more punishing than most, probably due to context.
At any rate, EY is in the mix for starter next year. Arguably, he’s got the inside track. Hopefully it will be a fair fight with the other guys (and maybe someone new) and let the best man win. I tend to think EY2 is more of a stopgap, but not a bad one at that.
How did you feel about Barmes' dropped popup that should have the game on Aug 18?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty mad.
I’m asking Teekalong why he’s saying defense doesn’t really matter and might not cost games. I remember most everyone here villifying Barmes for a wind blown day and dropping the ball, possibly costing Ubaldo the CY.
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I'm not sure that's what I said at all
I said that if his defense costs games, it is a huge problem. So far, it has evidently cost one game (assuming that is true). That is a real concern, and affects his viability as a long-term candidate.
Its true that I was very mad at Barmes, and I’m not as mad at EY2. And that’s not fair, since Colo won the Barmes game, but its probably more because I watched that game and not the EY2 game so I didn’t really absorb the impact. Also because I expect more from Barmes. Also because if Barmes is making huge defensive gaffes, its a major issue because he’s probably not making up for it at the dish.
Also, my reason for saying that EY2’s defense is “good enough” is because, other than that game, his defense hasn’t been a real problem as far as I can tell. And his offense is questionable, but likely a significant upgrade from Barmes—and which very well could have been a huge factor in the recent streak.
At any rate, if his defense is a real problem that harms the team, he will lose the job. Barmes lost the job because his offense is a real problem that harms the team. Now, we gotta find the guy who clearly helps us. Maybe EY2 is that guy, maybe its Nelson, maybe we go Eckstein-style with Herrerra. I don’t know yet, I don’t think anyone does. Priority #2 for the offseason, but I doubt we’ll have an answer for awhile.
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that it doesn't matter that he hit 30 home runs
his offensive production is nowhere NEAR enough to overcome the handful of errors he might produce
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
the last few times I've watched Baseball Tonight Uggla has had some nice web gems
Oh and I know what you just said isn’t your view on him
That if we somehow had him
Dbacks fans would commit suicide when seeing a lineup with Uggla, CarGo and JDLR in it
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember that HR he hit off of Randy Johnson in Phoenix?
Oh..wrong Luis Gonzalez.
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manager’s aren’t going to experiment with an unproven bat at the MLB level as long as the playoffs are on the line.
Jay Payton disagrees.
/checks yesterday’s box score, sees 3-4.
Nevermind
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
/checks Jay Payton's age and years of service, sees 37 and 12
Also nevermind.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
/check’s bitching and moaning that Jay Payton was in the lineup when it was posted before yesterdays game.
Nevermind.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Hahaha
Well done.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
/was pleased to see Payton was getting a start
nevermind.
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If you saw Jay Payton in the lineup for the Pads
would you be in a state of fear or ROFL because he hasn’t played a major league game since 2008. I think most of us said, we would probably break out too, since we always do this when the lineup looks bad.
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I'm always in a state of fear AND ROFL when I see the Pads' lineup as it is.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
well played
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
If it ain't broke
don’t fix it, the team is winning with EY2 at the top of the lineup, if the Rox had fallen flat on their fces with EY2 we would probably we more lineup treaking, but like the article says we are playing .750 ball with EY2 at the top of the order, why get away from what is working.
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Honestly
I really think like 90% of it has to do with the fact that this was Nelson’s first good season since A ball, and A ball doesn’t really have much weight when saying “hey this guy could play on our team”. Nelson’s just been injured too much so he has to play catch-up to EY now.
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by Resolution on Sep 16, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please excuse me if I go off on a rant
But I had some thoughts I wanted to get down:
- - I can’t believe the local radio hosts and callers whose top issue with the Rockies is starting pitching. They say this is the biggest problem with the team, and that O’Dowd has screwed up by not addressing this. It is driving me up the wall. Starting pitching is not the problem, it is the only thing keeping us alive at all. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST VALUE PITCHING STAFF ON FANGRAPHS BY WAR (both overall and SP). And looking forward, this is our deepest talent in the minors, so I don’t know where they find these people. We have other needs to address, and I trust the front office to realize this (which I believe they do).
- - I looked up how many wins it would have taken over the past few years to get into at least a play-in game for the wildcard in the NL:
2009: 88
2008: 90
2007: 89 (duh)
2006: 85
2005: 88
2004: 91
2003: 87
2002: 92
So, I agree, 92 gets us in. However, with all the games between the Braves and Phillies, and the last series between Padres/Giants, I think the number will be lower (barring one of the team’s having a ‘07 Rockies run, which would be inconceivable). Padres and Braves have both been scuffling, so let’s put the number at 90. Need a 10-6 finishing kick or better. Definitely doable.
#3. Just wanted to say, I am so happy we have meaningful September baseball for the Rockies. They are so much fun to watch, and they won’t go down without a fight until the bitter end. We’re 2.5 back now? In ’07, we were 2 back with 2 to play. Now that is having your back against the wall. This is nothing. Look out NL, here we come!!!
by amoeba on Sep 16, 2010 9:31 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
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You are right on w/ SP
it is just fans pointing out the most recent thing they see, and SP hasn’t been good for the last 3-4 days. I do think our BP is something to keep an eye on, I think they are wearing down, and have not been very good for a couple weeks now. I hope they can use that end of the season adrenaline kick to get through, but I think our BP could use some upgrades in 2011.
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The answer's simple, really
Most of the demographic likely to call in to radio shows, generally, are effin idiots. And there’s no need to differentiate between those who call in to sports shows and news shows.
That said, our bullpen is on fumes right now.
I don’t know that it actually needs “upgrades” next year. I’d take this year’s Betancourt, Beimel, Street, Reynolds, and Belisle next year in a heartbeat.
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I generally agree re bullpen
I’ll be fine with having all those guys back (I could live without Beimel, but I admit I’m prejudiced against him for reasons that aren’t entirely fair). We need at least one power arm though, whether it be one of the rooks or Delcarmen or someone else. Having a roster of sub-94 heat is fine when the guys have control (generous for some of those guys), but having some gas every now and then is nice.
I would like to replace Beimel w/ someone like Brothers
and possibly see if Weathers is ready, because I agree, it would be nice to have some more heat and less contact out of the pen. I still like the potential of Escalona, Deduno, Rogers, and yes even Morales. Yeah I said it, Morales, come on out Morales haters. I think his delivery is different and repeatable and I think he has a chance to figure it out next year.
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Escalona - million dollar arm, and a 10 cent head, perhaps
Morales? He’s been trying to figure it out since 2008.
Maybe some day he pulls a JDLR in his late 20s and figures it out. I honestly think he’s JDLR, Part Deux. But if so, that means he’s still another 2-3 years from figuring out. And we just can’t carry that kinda 6.00 ERA weight on a playoff-aspiring club for two more years, no matter how hard the throws.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
We can't afford it for a couple more years
but I would like to see him in the pen to start the year, low leverage situations and see what happens, next year is it. After that, he’ll have to figure it out somewhere else. There is just too much talent for me to give up yet, but I’m getting close to giving up on him. I really like his new clean delivery though, and he is still keeping the velocity.
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I guess part of why I'm ready to cut bait now is...
….had we not had Morales pitching in early games this year, we’re likely three or four games up in the division or wild card by now. I mean really, he has not pitched well at any time this year, other than in single isolated instances. Never at all for any reasonable stretch of time at all…except for the 4th week of April.
He’s given up earned runs in a full 1/3 of his appearances this year (and that doesn’t even address inherited runners.
And this year isn’t a blip…it’s representative of his full career thus far. If he’s got an option and is not arb eligible, then maybe renew him and send him to the minors. But right now, he has no business taking a roster spot on a team with playoff aspirations.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I just posted
but hard to argue when you put it this way.
I tend to agree
re Morales?JDLR. I’d like to see him shopped this winter, but not dumped if you know what I mean. If we can’t get some sort of legit value, he makes the pen per smokin’s suggestion, sort of a last chance opportunity here. I too am a big believer in his talent, and unlike other non-producing, upside guys, he seems to get hammered here far more than most, though I guess that’s the way it goes in the bullpen. That said, he has not earned much deference, and our “window” isn’t going to wait for him to mature.
Here's my main question:
Why was he kept as a RP rather than moving back to a SP? I recognize the situation surrounding him moving from a SP to a RP in 2008 and even staying there last year . . . it was a bigger place of need.
However, I think his mentallity is better fit for a starter than a reliever. He can be a head case and puts so much pressure on himself when he’s in for one-two hitters, that he goes nuts. Start him and I think he relaxes a little bit.
Just my two cents, but that’s something I’ve never understood. Tracy was asked that in the offseason/earlier this season and basically said Franklin won’t be starting any time soon . . . no explanation, though.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
This has long been my position with Morales...
I think that the Rockies really needed to keep him as a starter and destroyed his confidence by putting him in the bullpen. It’s likely too late now though.
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Same here...
I can be quoted as saying on this website, before this season started, that they needed to stretch him back out before it was too late.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it's too late. But they need to do it now.
Or he’s not going to have a spot on their roster next season . . . and I don’t think he will have any options left (could be wrong).
IMO, they should have stretched him out when they sent him down to AAA earlier this season. See if he could stetch back out and produce to the point where he’s fighting for a rotation spot in the spring. I just don’t feel Tracy thinks of him as a starter. Don’t know why.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Too late in that he's out of options and the Rockies have plenty of starters now.
He might be an option should Colorado not re-sign Francis OR JDLR.
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imho, he's no option if we're serious about a 2011 playoff run
Maybe #7 or 8, if we need a single emergency start, in a doubleheader makeup.
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Hey
I’m all for this, and always have been. there appear to be reasons beyond our understanding why he’s not getting that consideration. Moreso, its probably that we wanted to use him this year and the only way to do it was in relief. I’m all for giving him a starter shot in AAA next year, but I suspect there are roster issues that prevent it.
I would say
that his mentality is the problem either way. As a SP, he’s great until something bad happens or he gets squeezed. Then, he goes into a death spiral. His emotions are too volatile for a SP across 7 innings where he’s going to need to pitch out of a few jams most games, whether his or others’ doing.
As a RP, there seems to be no situation that truly suits him. He showed what he COULD be as a closer last year in Huston’s stead, and I think if he can get on top of his emotions, he will be a great closer for someone someday. He has great stuff and he really does look imposing on the mound when he’s “on.”
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by trekinaz on Sep 16, 2010 1:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That just really infuriates me....
We have by far the best starting rotation we ever had and a really decent BP. I just understand why everytime the Rockies have a bad game the fair weather fans think its always that pitching is where out weakness is. Even if we lost 2-1 or 1-0 type ballgames.
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by Colsportsfan on Sep 16, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
that Ubaldo guy is okay
but the rest of them are crap. We didn’t trade for Cliff Lee.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The fair weather fans...
All they know is Ubaldo, and wonder why we don’t have Roy Halladay and CC Sabathia and Mariano Rivera on our team.
Don’t they know the entire answer is LOLCHEEPFARTZ?
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
wordswordswordswords fairweather fans wordswordswordswords
think you answered your own question
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
My theory on why folks complain so much about SP
is that most folks around here aren’t very baseball savvy. Most casual baseball followers that I talk with seem to expect our pitchers to strike out every opposing batter. Every pitch should be a swinging K. No balls allowed. Any sort of contact is considered bad, even if it’s foul. WE know that sort of performance is a pipe dream, but it’s what the casual fan seems to demand. Hence, when they talk about pitching, if the above does not occur, the pitcher sucks.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I've said that to win the wild card the Rockies need to get to 91 wins. That will probably get it done.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
It will be close.
Atlanta’s looking fairly vulnerable. A lot of it will come down to how those six games between the Braves and Phillies play out.
At this point, it's hard to tell who the wild card contenders are
I would argue that the Padres may be the more likely team for us to compete with.
Hmm..
Isn’t that the three starters the Rockies will face if they somehow win the Wild Card?
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A lot of it also depends on how the Rockies fare in two areas:
1) Their remaining road games
2) Their remaining games against their nemesis (Dodgers)
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Rec'd hard.
Loved #3.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
We're still in this
I’m like, we’re in it until games back > games left. Until then, we got this.
I think we all need to give Betancourt some serious love
He had a shaky start to the season, but the last two month has been absolutely money every time he steps out on the mound. The “human rain delay” has delivered when we’ve needed him….held down the fort and I think he’s starting to deserve that contract we gave him this summer.
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His health had a shake start to the season (and a shaky spot in June)
When healthy, he’s nails.
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Yeah, it just sucks because Matt Stairs is a beer league softball player.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Matt Stairs can do one thing
hit home runs off of hard throwing straight fastballers
Rafael Betancourt is a hard throwing straight fastballer
matchup from hell there
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Yeah, I can see Seth Smith turning into Matt Stairs
within a few years, simply because of that being his main strength.
Smith just doesn’t look like a beer league softball player as much.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
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SETH
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^4....
If you not gonna play good, SETH, could you at least look good?
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He still looks good - just not as good.
Kind of boringly good looking. That beard really pushed him up into hot status.
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You nailed it exactly!
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Maybe he was getting too much fan mail from female admirers so his girlfriend/wife made him shave it :)
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This could be true......
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Maybe Seth needs more ABs?
He’s on pace to finish the month with around 68 plate appearances. He had more in May and June when he posted an OPS of .936 and .867 respectively. Even with Hawpe gone this guy gets no love.
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so that's what I'm doing wrong
I don’t have enough ABs
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maybe practice some on your own.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
look that daniel craig movie was awful alright
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that was a Carlos Selection
my selections have included El Mariachi and Broken Arrow.
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....so you're batting like .500
and slugging about .100 because Broken Arrow is worth like -4 bases
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Christian Slater + Travolta = chewy goodness
Also, American Pickers
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
No. Bzzt
That particular Daniel Craig move is teh awesome. All 12 times I’ve watched it. Totally effin awesome.
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I could not agree more with this comment.
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Not ashamed to say it's in my all time top 10 fave flicks
Quite probably top 5, if I actually thought hard of ranking them.
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This film made me a huge Daniel Craig fan.
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I'd never even heard of him before I saw this movie
Totally sold.
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Layer Cake
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full disclosure
I also developed a girlcrush on Sienna Miller
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Sienna Miller is hawt
I got my crush when Keen Eddie was on the air….but I set aside her in Layer Cake, ’cause the role was so small
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false
just false
it had it’s ok moments but it would randomly introduce characters and then not do anything with them
really had even less of a point than pointless movies
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
That sounds like the show Lost
*Don’t hit me SDCat
You don't watch enough British crime drama
Which characters were randomly introduced, and then had nothing to do them?
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I should probably back off a bit
I haven’t seen it in a couple of years, this is going off of memory
The girl was part of it, she was all headlined on the jacket and such and then in the movie for about 5 minutes for no reason.
It just smacked of “I wish I was Lock Stock but I’m not so here’s Daniel Craig to try and make things better”
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The girl is crucial for one reason...
…she’s why he got shot in the end.
And Daniel Craig…well, as far as I know, it was actually one of his his first large roles. (I’ve never seen Tomb Raider…and won’t.)
Sienna Miller was headlined on the jacket because the movie lacked, for the most part, recognizable faces in the US. Probably was not marked in the UK in the same fashion.
I don’t think it was like Lock Stock at all. In feel, far more of a traditional British gangster drama, like the original Get Carter, or Sexy Beast, or even The Long Good Friday.
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Also, Tomb Raider has some nice scenes.
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The movie's six years old....
….But I promise not to tell you how The Sopranos ends.
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I'm not buying it..
Seth’s career OPS vs Lefties as a starter is .740, and yet he is constantly subbed for Spilly who’s OPS this year against Lefties as a starter is .797
Spilly is actually hitting better against RH than LH starters and yet he is constantly subbing for Seth when they face a lefty. If they’re going to give Seth a chance,then give him a chance.
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I just hate watching him pitch. Takes soooooooooo long.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh
At the game Tuesday, I didn’t realize they had brought him in, and was confused why the at-bat was taking so long. Then I realized Betancourt. All made sense again.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
See, I was glad he came in
’cause I had just gotten a beer in the 7th inning and it gave me time to drink it. For a 3+ hour game, that one seemed awfully fast.
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When do they stop selling beer again?
Maybe he needs to go out earlier to maximize everybody’s time to get that last beer…
They stop in the 7th and he pitches the 8th usually
Tough break
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
This is why you buy your last beer in the bottom of the 7th
you’ll have plenty of time to drink it in the 8th with Betancourt on the mound.
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Kershaw on Sunday
Kershaw just threw his first complete game and shutout on Tuesday. Hopefully he’s a bit gassed and we can get to their bullpen a bit early and Hammel gets back on track.
LOLGiantz
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah the giants offense probably had a lot to do with that.
I’m just looking for any kind of edge we can have on Kershaw. Him, Zito and Cain are probably the toughest pitchers we’ll have to face the rest of the way. When we get the dodgers at home its looks like it will be Lilly, Kuroda and Ely. Against AZ it looks like we face Saunders, Lopez and Kennedy.
"Saunders, Lopez and Kennedy"
I’ll totally take that replay.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I will too assuming Kennedy leaves after 6 again and we get to feast on the bullpen
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Kershaw has gone 16 innings in his last 2 starts..
and given up only 2 ERs. That gives him an ERA of 1.13 during that stretch. He only has 10Ks though!!
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I bet we can give him that in 6 innings!
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I just mentioned him because of his history at coors, not so much him in general
he’s got a 2.77 era over the last 3 years. He’s 2 and 1 in 4 games started and the rox have a .172 avg.
ouch!
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killing a little time
what are the team, league and major league records for HR and RBI in a month – any month and September.
I know the answer for the team HR records, so skip that – Holliday with 12, correct?
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I thought on the radio they said Tulo was tied for the team record in a single month
Could be wrong though. I haven’t looked it up.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
could be – i’m after bigger game for TULO!! lol
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by RockyMtnCat on Sep 16, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I know Ruth had some ridiculous number in September of ‘27, but I don’t think it was more than 20.
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17
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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thanks, it’s good to be lazy….
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by RockyMtnCat on Sep 16, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Doable at this pace, and at that drug intake.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow I just read a Kiszla article
that was good.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
linky link
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I read it too
I thought he made some good points.
He and Armstrong we also talking about it on the radio this morning. The Broncos will always own this town, but it’s the Rockies that have all the star power. They had a guy call in from a sports collectibles store, and he says that the younger generation is all Rockies gear, not Broncos. He said 9 out of 10 youngsters are looking for Tulo/Cargo/Ubaldo stuff, not Broncos or Melo.
Denver fans
have always been incredibly bandwagony. If Tebow turns out to be a star, he will own this town. If Duchene starts putting up mvp years, he will own this town. Right now, the flavor that is in is Rockies, because they are the only winning team around.
Craig Anderson got a taste of that last spring.
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Fair enough
We love our stars regardless of the sport they play, no doubt. The point being made was that the Broncos have very little star power, and the Rockies have 3 legitimate contenders for best player at his position in the league. The fact that the Rockies players are the most recognizable in this town is unprecedented.
But were they above
Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, et al?
I don’t think so
Different Eras
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Not really
The Bombers were 95-97, right in Elway’s heyday.
When did the Broncos win their super bowls?
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97 and 98
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
no, but they were certainly very popular.
and it’s hard to compare anything to a Super Bowl dynasty
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I know.
Just saying that will change with time. The Broncos (on request only) are the only team that can keep it’s fan base in times of suckitude.
Because the NFL is the greatest show on turf, yo
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Even if Tebow is successful
as a QB, he won’t own the town like Elway. He’s a bit polarizing.
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if he leads the team to the playoffs, no one will care
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I respectfully disagree.
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Maybe around the nation he is polarizing but I think the vast majority of the city has hopped on the Tebow train
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree, he hasn't changed who he is and he was very popular in Florida as well
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
You're articles are like..
A hot sizzling foot-long.
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No!!
Hot dogs are made of the waste by-products of an animal that people would usually never touch. But once the ingredients are mixed, cooked over a fire and reproduced for the masses in a bun covered in delicious sauces it is savory!
Just like your articles.
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Spicy relish!
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and onions!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah right
Denver will always be a Donkey town. Ask any Denver person who the Rockies 1st round pick was, and you will probably get something like Tulo. Ask any person who the Donkey’s first round pick, and you know what you will get,
Just accept the fact and move on.
it will be that way in any town though
NFL draft picks are expected to start. MLB draft picks may not contribute for 5 years
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I don't think it is because of the differences in drafting
It is just because football in the country is THE sport. Baseball may still be the past-time, but football is life. Honestly, I couldn’t care less if we play 2nd fiddle to the Donkeys.
But it is though.
A 1st round pick in the NBA or the NFL is expected to be a star – or they become famous busts (see: Russel, JaMarcus) But in baseball – it takes them several years to get to the MLB level -
hell I can’t even tell you who last years 1st round pick was and I follow the team more than the casual fan does.
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Matzek?
you’ve forgotten already?
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Oh yeah him.
And who was it the year before that?
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And when
should we expect them to start for the Rockies?
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Hopefully by the end of 2011 for Friedrich
but your point is well taken
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What about our 2006 1st rounder.......
Oh wait.
Ubaldomania.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Its probably a good thing that the baseball draft isn't as religiously followed as football
because if the casual fan caught wind on who we passed on for Reynolds, imagine the talk radio callers then
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Or for Weathers for that matter.
Notice the conspicuous absence of any Rockies pick in Jim Callis’ 2007 draft first round re-do. Even though we’ll get several quality bullpen/bench pieces out of that draft (Matt Reynolds and indirectly, Rafael Betancourt, for instance) we’re likely going to trail well behind everybody else in the division save the Dodgers in total contribution when all is said and done.
We would have had Jason Heyward!
oh gad
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
What could have been
2B: EY
CF: Dex
3B: Longoria
LF: Cargo
SS: Tulo
RF: Heyward
1B: Helton
C: Olivo/Ianetta
Or the Rotation:
1) Ubaldo
2) Lincecum
3) DLR
4) Bumgarner
5) Hammel
I think to some degree all MLB teams can play this game.
Except the Yankees and they just go buy all these player 2-3 years down the line.
Tim Alderson's FB dips as low as 83?
Alderson for Sanchez turned out to be a steal for Sabean after all
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Yeah, he got real terrible.
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part of the reason (along with Bumgarner and Runzler)
that they will likely beat our output of that 2007 draft.
I wrote a post on Denver Stiffs about the NBA emulating the NHL and MLB
with creating a minor league system. I’m not sure that could ever truly happen. The scrubs are often placed in the D League and the “stars” are played immediately. Which I think hurts their long term development.
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I think a huge part of the difference is college football.
People know most of the top NFL picks. They’ve been watching them in college. The same goes for the NBA draft. The MLB draft is very different. Aside from your occasional Strasburg or Harper, nobody knows any of the players drafted. Add that to the minor league system, and of course less people are going to know the MLB draft picks.
Thats not really a bad thing
All 4 major sports franchises here get a lot of support. The Broncos get the most, but understandably, because they’ve been around a lot longer.
I don't know about that, really
As soon as the Avs stopped making the playoffs, they stopped filling 1/2 of the Pepsi Can.
Nugs attendance pre Melo was pathetique. (Of course, the team’s performance was, too).
I used to think Denver really was a great sports town, but to be honest, it’s just another frontrunner town. The Avs have been in the bottom five of NHL attendance for the last two years. The Nugs were in the bottom ten the last three years before Melo.
Who knows, maybe there aren’t any really great sports towns. I mean, NY and Chicago have so many millions of people that just by default they can fill their arenas even when a team is bad. Same # of seats, but about 6-10 million more people to draw from.
A true sports town doesn’t stop supporting their franchises when they’re in a performance trench.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
As I have said before, the Avalanche have been completing a rebuild for the past few years
and still expecting that people will pay 2001 Championship prices for seats. It didn’t happen.
(This would make a great article for SB Denver, now that I think about it…)
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Yes
Their bad attendance is mostly due to retarded management. Why pay 50 bucks for nosebleed seats to see Brett Clark and Darcy Tucker
hey, they're both gone now!
I know I’m getting the $299 14 game pack in the nosebleeds BECAUSE I will be able to move down to better seats after the first period for the majority of games.
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There you go.
I hope my Sister is still friends with the intern there. Got some good free tickets that way.
Well yes, seat prices surely have something to do with it
I’ve been to one Avs game. And it was a relative nosebleed seat. And yeah, like $50 per. For seats that high up and bad, I wouldn’t pay $50 to see Ray Bourque and Patrick Roy.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I did.
But that was because the product they had was so much better than it is now. Not only the winning, but the giveaways and the atmosphere.
Game 3 last year was one of the Great Sporting Events of my life
they still have a devoted fanbase who really cares, it just takes moments for the price to be justified. Sad.
At least they are doing a better job of marketing/ticket giveaways this season
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I've been to one Avs game (lower bowl, tickets I received for free)...
and I didn’t enjoy it much at all. I found the Colorado Eagles to be more entertaining (more scoring, more fighting).
Then again, I don’t “get” hockey.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I once thought about buying Avs tickets
Then I saw the ticket prices. No thank you. I’ve always wondered how a sport with such a long season can still charge NFL prices. (The recent season promos on FSN talking about 18,000 fans, though, kind of explained a little of that. Still too expensive for me, though)
I think the Avs
benefitted from a perfect storm.
If there’s one thing Denverites will flock to more than a winner, it’s something new. So basically, they could charge whatever they wanted in year 1. Add in a Stanley Cup in the first year, that’s like throwing on Dr. Brown’s first special log. Then a new building a few years later, that’s log #2. Then the 2nd Stanley Cup with a transplanted legend, hot damn we’re up to 88 miles per hour.
So basically they could charge whatever they wanted for their first 7-8 years in denver and people would buy. And once ticket prices reach that, it’s really tough to roll them back.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
It didn't have to be so tough to roll them back
/entire season lost to lockout, yo
I mean, if ever there was an opportunity (and a damn good reason) to roll back ticket prices 25-30%, that was it.
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the Avs sellout streak didn't end until 2007
they didn’t have to roll back squat.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, judging from the last couple years, it probably wouldn't hurt to go back and do it now..
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how long do you expect them to support a loser?
I mean if a team is a perennial bottom feeder you expect the city to sell out their stadium every night? Especially in Colorado you have so many other things you can do and put your money towards. Avs games are pretty expensive to go see them lose during the rebuilding.
I’m not saying you abandon the team and go root for the Penguins or the Yankees or Saints instead, but I don’t expect a losing team to fill seats every night and I won’t tell people how to spend their money.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
they also only have
8 chances a year to see them play a game. Baseball has 81. Basketball has 41. As does Hockey.
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Also how many cities in America that have teams in multiple sports are not Football first sports cities? Boston, NY?
Denver is no different than pretty much any other city with an NFL team
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St. Louis
probably the ultimate example I can think of.
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yeah I forgot about St. Louis
good call.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Look at how long the Cardinals have been in StL though,
and even though they won the Super Bowl in ’99 how long have the Rams had to build support in the city?
But the NFL was in St. Louise long before the Rams
The Arizona, formerly St. Louis, nee’ Chicago Cardinals. Granted, they were terrible, but it isn’t as if St. Louis was a football free zone until the Rams landed. St. Louis is just a baseball town….
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I remembered the Cardinals, but didn't include them.
Even with the Cardinals there, they were only there from 1960 until 1987, they were horrible and by their nickname they only reminded the city of the much better and more loved St. Louis baseball Cardinals.
Besides, baseball has been in St. Louis since 1882 in the form of the St. Louis Brown Stockings who later became the Cardinals and 10 World Series championships also help.
This goes to the heart of the point
The team that was there first tends to define the city’s sports loves, with some exceptions (see: Pittsburgh and Minneapolis).
Cincinnati: Absolutely a baseball town
Denver: Definitely a football town first.
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Chicago, St Louis
St Louis is definitely a baseball town first, and has always been.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
da Bears are bigger in Chicago than the Cubs are
Although it didn’t start that way, their names have grown to represent where the city’s priorities are. It’s a lot closer than it is for the Broncos/Rockies, though.
da Bears should be bigger than the Cubs
Because Chicago has two MLB clubs.
I doubt da Bears are bigger than the Cubs and White Sox combined.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I've never been to Chicago so I don't have any first hand experience
but I have asked people I know from Chicago this question and most of the time they say the Bears are the biggest sports team in the city and that Chicago is now a football city
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, my dad was born and raised in Chicago....
and I dated a Chicago girl for two years, and spent a lot of time there.
Yeah, da Bears are huge, but really, so are the Cubs. I don’t know any White Sox fans….
I’ve attended about a half dozen games at Wrigley, and saw gobs and gobs and gobs of Cubs paraphernalia every where I went.
Of course, the NFL does a generally better job re marketing and merch anyway, and I’m not shocked that the Bears are probably bigger, but that doesn’t diminish Chicago as an overall sports town at all.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
It's difficult to say, I'd argue otherwise
There are a lot of people in Chicago that don’t pay attention to sports at all during the summer and don’t feel a need to express loyalty to either the Cubs or White Sox. Bears fans are everywhere, all the time, though. You go to a game at Wrigley and you’ll see nearly as much Bear regalia as you do Cubs regalia.
I would say Cubs + White Sox > Bulls or the Blackhawks, but it’s not the case with the Bears.
I have only ben to wrigley a handfull of times
and usually in the spring, but the place is always cubs crazy. When I’m in the North side in late fall I haven’t found a lot of people who were overly interested in the bears and at least not like the cubs. Yet my experience is limited I have never lived there (and really don’t want to)
I honestly think that this is a southside northside thing
if you were to poll the whole city I’m sure you would find more Bears fans than cubs or white sox fans combined. However if you were to poll The North side I’m confident that fans get more excited about cubs baseball then the Bears.
I could see that.
I think it’s difficult to tell for certain also because the Bears, Cubs and Bulls are all very big regional/national franchises whereas the White Sox and Blackhawks are more local/niche products. I still think of Chicago as a “football town,” however, just because of its rich history in the sport, and I really think if you were to put a survey of “Is Chicago more a football, baseball, basketball or hockey city?” Football wins.
In St. Louis, baseball wins. In Detroit, hockey would.
When I think of Chicago, I think of..
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if SF makes the list
San Fran isn’t a great sports town anyway, but especially with the 49rs being so bad while I was there I felt it was a baseball town. Although if so just barely so.
No, not a baseball town at all
Attendance at Candlestick Park pretty much sucked for years. Of course, Candlestick Park pretty much sucked, too.
You can call it a Barry Bonds town, though.
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I think its more of a baseball town with
At&t park, but probably only because the 49rs suck
Well, a stadium can help make a town a certain sport-town, I guess
Just as much as a period of sustained success can.
But it hasn’t helped San Diego….
I’m pretty sure San Fran is just another “follow whoever’s doing good” city.
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I'd argue Chicago
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
This
76,125*10 games = 761,250 fans get to watch the Broncos live.
Now lets say that the Rockies average 25,000 fans.
25,000*81 games = 2,025,000 fans get to watch the Rockies live.
Just looking at these numbers, who has the bigger fanbase?
Of course the Broncos will draw “huge crowds”, because there are less opportunities, even though the fanbase could very well be much smaller.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly what I was getting at.
Thanks for doing the math.
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Not expecting a sellout
Even by 2004-2005, the Rox were still getting about 23-25k a game, which is fine, especially when the real loser franchises were drawing 15-17k.
But I bet you dollars to donuts that after the Broncs miss the playoffs for a few more years, by 2015, every game is still a sellout, even if there’s more no-shows in the stands. And that is the difference.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Isn't that what you want? The fans still supporting the team even through down times?
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, obv
I’m not suggesting Denver is a bad sports town. Only that they’re hardly a great sports town.
Part of what helped the Rox during those down years is that they did a really good job of keeping their ticket prices in check (and still do, as compared to other baseball teams and those in other sports).
I do think Denver can become a good sports town. Right now, it’s pretty average. But cf Nugs/Avs attendance when they’re not good, and it’s close to bottom of the league. I’d say Denver is a decent baseball town.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies do an incredible job with keeping ticket prices low
The Rockies offer some of the cheapest tickets in baseball. You can get a seat for $4 and I can easily get $10 decent tickets from King Soopers. That goes a long way in bringing fans to the park especially when they stay that low after multiple winning seasons.
The Avs and Nuggets should learn a lesson or two from that. I’d wager their high ticket prices are directly responsible to the low attendance, especially when they are in down years and their performance does not match up with the ticket price
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
According to some survey a year ago...maybe in Forbes, I forget...
…the Rox were in the top 3 best values in all of MLB, in terms of cost for a family of four to attend a game.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
My friends and I went to the game
on Sunday. 4 of us – including parking and food – for $70 dollars total that is 17.50 a person. Not bad.
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I believe it
I went to my first non Coors baseball game this year (Rox vs Pads at Petco). Cheapest non-standing room only tickets they had were $15 and the beers were $7.50 compared to $6.50 at Coors.
We should have just bought the $5 standing room only tickets because there was only about 16,000 people at the game despite it being Sept and the Padres were in first place playing a divisional rival. We could have easily sat wherever we wanted.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Which game did you go to?
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the first game. It was a Friday that Cook pitched
Also, how is there not a good bar scene around Petco? It just seemed like it was a bunch of restaurants.
Don’t get me wrong, Petco was a really nice park and the viewing angles are amazing but it made me appreciate how awesome Coors is. I will have to make it to more stadiums next summer to check out others.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you live in San Diego?
I went to the Saturday game. Right around the ballpark is not as good as walking down to the Gaslamp district. It’s not too far to walk there. That’s where all the real action happens. I agree that Coors is far superior.
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no just was in town for labor day visiting my old college roomate
I live in Boulder
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Bah, my post above should have been a response here.
76,125*10 games = 761,250 fans get to watch the Broncos live.
Now lets say that the Rockies average 25,000 fans.
25,000*81 games = 2,025,000 fans get to watch the Rockies live.
Just looking at these numbers, who has the bigger fanbase?
Of course the Broncos will draw "huge crowds", because there are less opportunities, even though the fanbase could very well be much smaller.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Look at the difference in games.
81 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
people go to Broncos games because they are fans
people go to Rockies games because it’s a pleasant place to spend a summer evening
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by BringItHome on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish they would air some of the games on network tv instead of FSN
wasn’t it last year or maybe 08 that they showed the Sunday games on My20? Even if it is just one game a week it would potentially reach a larger audience.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
it's been 3 years or so since they did that
I like that they are all on FSN for selfish reasons of course.
by BringItHome on Sep 16, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
which is a good point
because I’ll be damned if I spend any time in Invesco that I don’t have to, and I don’t mean that just as “HURRR HATE TEH BRONXOS”
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rox have drawn 2.6 mlllion fans this year..
Last year the Rockies drew 2.6 million fans and have outdrawn the NL average for 12 of their 17 seasons.
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I don't think the draft is a good indicator
NFL players drafted are on the team right away, sometimes making big impacts within 2 years.
MLB draftees have a couple years before they make the big club, if at all.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Not a fair comparison this year especially
With the Broncos drafting one of the highest-profile players to come out of college in the last decade.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
that isn't really a fair comparisson.
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Plus, no one expects you to be a Bronco fan here
But do you really have to call them the Donkeys. This is a Colorado blog afterall. I can expect it from anywhere else, but on here its annoying.
by humaDONT on Sep 16, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its just the whole, know your audience thing.
we’re all told not to go on MCC or GLP during or after games and rub it in. Most Bronco fans don’t like their team being called the Donkeys.
I'm a Broncos fan
and I don’t go on to MHR…..just because some of my opinions might upset the groupthink there and the torch wielding villagers will come ransack my hut.
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I don't really go "negative"
MHR takes myopia to a level that should be considered an art form. Even if I agree with any sentiment, the way they treat people who are even slightly critical of the Broncos is quite…..brutal? So to speak
None of which has happened to me btw. Just reading some of the comments makes me uncomfortable.
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Agreed
They are brutal. I stopped visiting there because of it. Not because I can’t take criticism, but because a slightly critical comment will get your head chopped off.
Exactly
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...
torch wielding villagers will come ransack my hut.
I thought you enjoyed that…
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Fans on here get bothered when something bad is said about the rockies
Even on this specific Rockpile. The comments above about radio callers having a problem with the rotation. How are most of us any different?
PR is a typical fan blog.....my contention is MHR goes waaaaaay too far
in the “groupthink” category
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I could not agree more.
Here if you say Ubaldo sucks and should be traded will be met with some derision, pity and mostly a lot of laughing. But you will not be called names or be made to feel like you are a minion of the devil.
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mostly you get called out
and asked to show why Ubaldo sucks.
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Football is in general more aggressive, even down to the trash talking
Its probably not a Bronco thing, but a football thing.
Now.....Denver Stiffs is the most negative blog in Denver
BUT the people there are quite knowledgeable about the NBA and I generally respect everyone there. I just spend an inordinate amount of time trying to keep people positive. It’s hard task but I still plug away
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They are pretty bi-polar on game threads
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I love the game threads
lol…..they are so bi-polar it’s ridiculous. The “quitter” game thread has to be the most epic thread in the history of threads.
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Yep, I believe you correct in your epic thread assessment.
That was hilarious
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Only when Role Playing.....ahem
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;)
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I thought it was only acceptable for Bronco fans to them the Donkeys
It’s our pet name when they suck.
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Donkeys is derisive
Fan or no
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
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meh.....
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I also find it annoying.
I’ve never once called them that, though my dad does at times. Which is probably part of why I hate it so much, since my dad is really hard to watch sports with.
Which is why it's the only name I try to use for them
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I grew up on Broncos football, and am still a fan (moreso after baseball season ends)
But I’ll call them the Donkos as long as they play like they deserve it. It’s a term of endearment. Or something.
this
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Wrong
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
To elaborate
An actual fan will still call them the Broncos, but then sigh heavily afterward or something.
“Plans this weekend?”
“Yeah, gonna go watch the Broncos /sigh. Hopefully we can win 4 games this year.”
Any form of Donkey is used by opposing fanbases to mock us.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I used to think people were mocking the Rockies when saying "Pebbles"
Then I found PR and realized they were prospects
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
wrong. I have been a Bronco fan my entire life and I'm not twentysomething anymore.
I am still a Bronco fan, even if I’m mad at them currently.
Everyone I knew that is a Bronco fan either in Denver or here in SD have called them the Donkeys with love and affection.
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agreed. Maybe we both live in a different universe, Cat
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Well, it's clearly not universal either way.
I’ve been a Bronco fan my whole life, too, and I hate it and have never once used it. My dad calls them that on occasion, but it’s never, ever with love or affection.
It's like calling your spouse a dirty name..
but with affection. It just doesn’t seem right.
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Exactly this
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
DeMariyus Thomas?
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
The Broncos are all we had
for many, many years. (I don’t follow basketball) Heck, I had to root for the Cubbies when I was growing up because there was no freaking baseball team here. The Bears/Zephyrs were nice, but I wanted a major league team to root for. My point is, we can embrace the new-comers, but the Broncos are deeply rooted in our sport’s psyche.
Oh, and don’t think I’m much of a Cubs fan anymore. I’ve fully adopted the Rox as my team.
Good to hear that
I understand why there are a lot of cubs fans here because we didn’t have baseball til 93. But its cool to hear some of them are switching over.
Yes because the NFL draft and MLB draft are so similar
the NFL draft is so hyped up. Its broadcast in prime time on ESPN. I could name you pretty much any teams first round draft pick. I cant do the same with the MLB draft outside the Rockies. Not to mention having to follow which first round picks signs.
The MLB draft takes place in the middle of the day and features players that won’t see the majors in a few years. Asking the casual denver sports fan to name the Rockies draft picks over Broncos picks is a much
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
did someone just stab purple socks mid sentence?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Haha. The damn bouncey screen really affected me there apparently.
It was supposed to end "Asking the casual denver sports fan to name the Rockies draft picks over Broncos picks is a bit much.
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
It all comes down
To time and contention. The Broncos have been around the longest, and for a while, they consistently made the postseason. Winning breeds a fanbase. That’s definitely on the decline now.
Rockies are the newest, and they’re just now building up their contending status. The fanbase is growing, and if the Rockies keep winning and Broncos keep losing, I can definitely see a shift in the loyalties.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Yesterday there were 30000+
people at a day game. That is pretty impressive.
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As someone who was at the game, I can assure you that there were far less than 30000 in attendance
maybe 25k
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It was still pretty good for a Wednesday afternoon game in September (kids in school, etc.)
I was there and was happy to see that for the past few games I’ve been to, there haven’t been attempts at starting the wave. I have a particular annoyance with waves at baseball games (unless they’re in between innings).
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
they start the wave at pretty much every game ive gone to
I especially hate it when its a 1 run game in the 8th inning like last Saturday night
yeah I was there with Muzia and Mondo and....crap, I forgot who our 4th was...I remember HIM and stuff just not his handle
but we were grousing about the wave as per usual, and I said something like “bunch of fairweather chuckleheads show up and blah blah blah not paying attention” and then it hit me
we NEED those chuckleheads to buy tickets.
so every time the wave went around we’d yell something about resigning DLR
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Monday night they did it around the 4th inning. Had it going around the stadium quite a bit
I was fine with it then because they got it out of their system early. But not in the 8th inning. Thats just wrong
Did they know who DLR is?
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They did it in a 1-run game in the 8th Tuesday too
Right before the Stairs homer
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that's the one that sent me over the edge with the Wave.
I’d grouse about it but that was just too much.
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I blamed that homer directly on the wave, yelled it at the people in my section.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, the Avs are the newest
And they never had to build up a fan base by winning, because we imported a team from another city, that was actually pretty darn good.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
They were horrible up to the time when they got here.
It was like moving the Rays to a new city to open the 08 season.
trading for Patrick Roy always helps
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That their performance has fallen off since 2001, attendance keeps dipping. Part of it could just be the sport of hockey isn’t as interesting to casual Denver fans.
Here would be an interesting test:
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
"sport of hockey isn’t as interesting to casual Denver fans."
Exactly. Very well said.
But everyone loves a winner.
That’s exactly why Denver isn’t necessarily at all a “great sports town”, though. Because most of Denver is made of only “casual” sports fans, Broncos aside. And casual fans does not a great sports town make.
In Boston, people emotionally live and die with their teams, even the Bruins. But all their teams. Same in Detroit, to a great extent. To that end, I lump Denver in with Cleveland….sure, Jacobs Field attendance was high, but only because the Indians in the 90s were actually good. Cavs were only really taken by the city during the LeBron years. Before, they were just another average-to-below club off-court. But the Browns? Sacrosanct. That doesn’t make Cleveland a great sports town at all.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I here this argument a lot
but I don’t know very many teams anywhere that sell out day in and day out that have been consistent losers. I’m sure people will look at the Steelers and think Pittsburgh is a great sports town, but the Pirates get very little support, cause fans don’t want to spend money to watch their team lose, that is usually the case everywhere.
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Well, I don't actually know anyone who calls Pittsburgh a great sports town
….even those I know from Pittsburgh. They all consider it a football town, and I would agree.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
what is a great sports town then?
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I'd argue Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore maybe just maybe St Louis
There really aren’t many great sports towns, tbh.
There are more great football towns.
As for Baltimore, yeah, I know their attendance now is bad, but it’s not because the team’s bad….it’s because Angelos has pretty much ruined every lick of goodwill the franchise had. Before he owned them, even in down years, the club always drew.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
All of my family lives in Michigan
and I am originally from Michigan and grew up a fan of Detroit teams, and still root for most of them and my dad is a die hard as well, and I would argue they don’t support losers either. The Lions don’t draw, and the Tigers didn’t when they were so poor for many years, even the Red Wings didn’t draw as well until Yzerman came and shortly after helped revive that organization.
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I am not putting down Detroit fans, or Detroit as a sports town
I am just saying they are like everyone else, support always dwindles when you don’t have a winner or at least you have a consistent loser.
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It seems like all those cities, except maybe for Boston, sports is the main thing to do there
Unlike Colorado, Socal, Florida where there are tons of other things to do besides go to sporting events. And compared to those other places I mentioned, Denver probably draws much better
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
What about the support, or lack thereof of the Tigers.
At least prior to their miraculous turnaround they were close to the bottom in league support.
Sidney Crosby would like a word.
A city that still supports a loser organization like the Pirates, the Penguins, and Steelers….seems pretty good sports town to me.
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also, you can buy one team jacket and fit in at every single sporting event in town
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Bzzt
Penguins’ attendance rank in NHL
2000-2001 – 16th
2001-2002 – 22nd
2002-2003 – 25th
2003-2004 – 30th (last)
2005-2006 – 20th
2006-2007 – 18th
They couldn’t even keep their basketball team.
Pirates attendance also wanes, but doesn’t go totally butt up.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
they even threatened to move without a new arena
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So the owners threatened to leave and somehow it's the fans fault?
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They even went through bankruptcy
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Okay I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
That team sucked until Sidney Crosby came around. You’re leaving out the past 3 years. What does that attendance look like for the Penguins?
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they had this player called Mario Lemieux for awhile
maybe you’ve heard of him
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I'm saying after Lemeuix retired and before Crosby
they waned a bit.
One thing that must be taken into account is the economy of Pittsburgh for most of 2000’s was dismal. So I think to say that because people can’t necessarily afford to attend many games doesn’t mean it’s a bad sports town.
You know what’s a bad sports town. San Diego.
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"You know what’s a bad sports town. San Diego."
True dat.
Pads attendance right now says all that needs to be said.
Oh, and San Diego Conquistadors, FTL!
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Worst is Atlanta or Miami
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L.A. and Phoenix suck too.
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I don't know L.A. usually gets up for their professional football team.
Note: I said professional, not NFL.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Atlanta may be the worst sports town in America fo'real
Miami actually isn’t that bad (never mind the fact that it’s not exactly a good market for hockey…..)
Fact is, Joe Robbie Landshark Sun Country Country Time Lemonade Whatever Stadium is a miserable place to be in the summer.
Outside anywhere other than the beach is a miserable place to be in South Florida in the summer. If they had a retractable roof stadium, and a good team, they would draw 28-30k a night.
I grew up in Miami until the late 70s, and can say that town was always pretty football-mad. And that’s when only the Fins were any good. The Hurricanes were LOL-bad that whole time, and the school almost dumped football in the mid 70s.
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I agree with Atlanta
Any team that cant sellout playoff games when your team has won 13 straight division titles is a crappy sports town
This just in
San Diego Chargers home opener will be BLACKED OUT.
Case Closed.
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No it won't.
They do this EVERY home game. Then some company swoops in, buys the seats at the last minute and donates to some charity.
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They've done this every week. I'm telling you.
Unless the NFL has changed their blackout rules, Friday morning this blackout will be lifted. I’ll bet you a hot dog.
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Really, it doesn't even matter at this point
If it takes that every home game, then Muzia’s point is still valid, even if the game ends up getting shown. Of course, I think you also said SD was a lousy sports town.
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Oh I agree. I was just trying to say let's not celebrate the demise too soon.
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Friday morning this blackout will be lifted. I’ll bet you a hot dog.
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I'll send it via MariaExpress
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Also, from last year's home opener news
I’ll be shocked if they don’t do this again.
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they've already blown past their 24 hour extension though
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I don't think so.
Here’s what I’m saying. It’s Thursday. Last year on the Thursday before the home opener, they released a similar statement that the game would be blacked out.
Also, same circumstance that the Chargers played on Monday Night. I’ll still bet you that hot dog that this blackout gets lifted.
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Okay
2007-2008 – 16th
2008-2009 – 18th
2009-2010 – 18th
And that’s with Crosby.
So let me amend. Pittsburgh is a crappy sports town. Even with a good team, their attendance sucks. Especially in light of how good their team is.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
In fact, I skipped those years before...
…because I thought it would be fait accompli that they’d be a lot higher, given the presence of Crosby. The fact they’re not, I feel, underscores my point even more.
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh is also not the biggest city
They rank 22nd right behind Denver in Metropolitan population
by purplesocks on Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
What really hurts Pittsburgh over the last 30 years or so
is all the steel money moving out of town. Without the economic infrastructure, there aren’t enough high paying jobs to support the kind of 40+ game home schedules that the Pirates and Penguins have. So even though Denver’s close in population, it’s well ahead in disposable income.
Pirate tickets are incredibly cheap
I’m not sure that people can’t afford to go to games. I mean there prices are slightly above minor league clubs. You can always find deals to go to games as well. They have an awesome stadium too that really makes going to games fun. Pittsburgh is a football town to end all football towns. The only sport and possibly thing people care about in that town is the Steelers.
I was probably referring more to the relatively successful team
than the one that’s had 18 straight losing seasons. I don’t think I necessarily disagree that Pitt’s a football town (40,000+ every home game for the Panthers is another indication), I just believe that studies show that baseball attracts a higher income demographic. If there was more money in Pittsburgh, there would be more baseball fans. Cincinnati’s relatively rich, quite a bit smaller than Pittsburgh, and until this year, has had a relatively disappointing baseball franchise, and yet the Reds have drawn 4000 or more fans/game than the Pirates, even in down years.
Don't you think Cinci is a baseball town though
I agree that communities with more money seem to be more attracted to baseball. I’m not sure it has anything to do with affordability though. I think those who have a higher income level generally have more education and that makes them attracted to a higher level of sports :)
The city's probably split between Bengals and Reds loyalty
If you knew how big football was in this city at the high school level, it would probably dissuade you from calling it a baseball town. However, I think that the baseball support that’s here has a lot to do with the higher income/education demographics.
Pittsburgh has always struggled to support the Pirates..
even in Cait Murphy’s book Crazy 08, she describes how the Pirates had trouble drawing fans in 1908 when Honus Wagner was the greatest player in the game and they were competing for a title.
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Roberto Clemente and the pirates in the seventies didn’t they have some kind of sell out record or something
They did okay through the Bonds/Van Slyke era too.
In the 90’s they just fell behind the other teams in the region (Cleveland, Detroit, Cincinnati) in attendance relative to their city’s population. Most of that is the terrible franchise, but I do think there’s an attendance cap around a 28,000 fan average compared to a few thousand more for those other three.
Only 4 years since 1962 have they outdrawn the NL Avg..
But it wasn’t always that way. In the 20 years etween 1942 and 1961 they outdrew the NL Avg 10 times.
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I think this is a function of the
industrial money (or at least a lot of it, I know they still have a bit left) packing up and leaving town right around that time when their attendance dipped below league average.
I think they should be relegated to a separate league..
Just like they do in the English Premier League.
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I wish this could happen.
I’ve often thought a great way to force teams like the Royals to actually care is a relegation league.
Who could we put in a relegation league?
Pirates
Royals
Marlins?
Blue Jays
Who else?
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Well, usually on two teams automatically drop to the relegation league
and then one other has a play-in. This year it would probably be the Pirates and Orioles dropping and the Royals hoping they can beat the third place team in the lower league.
Blue Jays are well above relegation. Orioles would be much closer this year.
In concept, this would be a great idea for competitiveness
But here’s a couple big reasons why it won’t work:
1. Taxpayer funded stadiums — the cities funding recent stadiums of clubs likely to face relegation will absolutely file suit, because the bonds/taxes/funding sources for the stadia are likely tied to presence of a major league team.
2. Minor league affiliations with major league teams. Assuming you send down, say, KC, and bring up Colo Springs (just for argument), what becomes of the Rox’ AAA team? They don’t suddenly become a major league roster…and they’re not going to swap their entire team of players to KC.
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And yet, the Pirates remain, and remain the Pirates
You’ve seen MLB teams move out of Boston, Philadelphia, Washington D.C. (twice), New York, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Seattle, Kansas City and Montreal since then.
.....wow
I’ve never even thought about that.
either Pittsburgh is amazing or stupid
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, in the case of...
….Phila and St. Louis, to be fair, those were cities with two MLB clubs, and the team that moved out was, in both instances, an extremely poor on-the-field product for decades, and lost the intra-city battle for hearts and minds. So the comparison isn’t really apt.
In the case of Kansas City, they lost their first team because Charlie Finley tried to move the club from the very day he bought it. He bought the team with the very intention of moving it. Not the city’s fault, as the team had only been in KC for five years by the time Finley bought it.
In the case of Montreal…well, Canada, nuff said. LOL
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To be fair to St. Louis,
despite it being a great baseball town there just was not enough support for two baseball teams.
This is true
However, support would have been more evenly divided if the Browns weren’t…well…the Browns. The team that made the Washington Senators look good.
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Haven't the Reds had some pretty bad attendance numbers this year though?
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Only the Twins and Rangers have seen bigger per game boosts in attendance this year (the Rockies are fourth) over 2009. There’s also this expectancy among many that attendance is directly tied to that season’s results, when in recent years it actually seems to be trailing by a season. Meaning I would expect the Reds to pass Seattle and Houston in per game attendance in 2011.
You just illustrated the Avs problem
ask that same fan who Sakic, Forsberg or Roy are, and you get an immediate answer. In 5 years, Duchene probably gets the same response. They’ve been between generations of stars since the lockout, really, but haven’t changed ticket prices. Thus, the attendance woes. In many ways, they are the early-mid 2000’s Rockies right now.
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
But at more than twice the ticket prices
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
If you look at DU and the history of minor league hockey in Denver pre-Avs, I don’t think the “Denver isn’t a hockey market” theory holds water. Looking at Rockies hockey and the post-lockout Avs, what I think you can see is that Denver doesn’t respond well to badly managed hockey teams. Or, at times, baseball teams.
I would agree with the idea that, so far, the Broncos get a lot more latitude than other teams…
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
Eff the Kronkes
I have a friend who until a couple weeks ago worked for Kroenke sports, mostly on the Nuggets side…but he said the mantra the Kroenke’s have is the Avs payroll right now is befitting their attendance. We can all talk about ticket prices, but lets face it….last year the Avs were a young exciting team (I’ve been told, I’m not really a hockey fan) and they still had games where they drew 8 to 10 thousand fans. Some responsibility lies on the fans shoulders, and until they start getting attendance up to support what will be a winning squad then it looks like the Kroenke’s will keep the payroll where it’s at.
By the way….I’m not saying this is right….it’s just what I’ve been told
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So their philosophy kinda matches Jeff Loria
/how long before the Kroenkes demand another new arena fully taxpayer funded, before they move the team to Quebec….
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by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
plus you have an ownership that kind of aquired the Avs as a throw in
They really “care” about the Nuggets, which is why this Melo thing has their full attention. The Avs have the benefit of being overseen (for the most part) by Pierre Lacroix. Greg Sherman and Craig Billington are proving to be quite the GM duo….they’re in good hands
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this actually makes some sense
lets look purely at attendance figures.
572,000 people attended Avalanche games last year. Let’s throw the average ticket price at $60.
The team grossed $34M from ticket sales. The salary floor for payroll has been set at $40M. Huh.
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Average ticket price is well over $50/seat for an Avs game.
Worst seat in the house is like $45.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
and if you can't get in for less than that this year
you just aren’t trying.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Free tix can have you behind Alanna Rizzo
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That’s not a bad place to be.
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I can't wait to pay 15$ to a scalper
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that only covers 15 games though
what if I want to see Edmonton more than once.
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yeah, probably
at least the AVS will provide entertainment for my dollar, unlike the Cheapforts
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I'm related to a KSE employee (pretty high up the food chain)...
and he says that the new boss (Josh Kroenke) is basically ignoring hockey and focusing on the Nuggets. Which I don’t mind at all, but I’m sure that someone does.
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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 16, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I do
personally I wish the NBA would just go out of existence so that the Kroenkes would notice that they still own a hockey team.
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
remember the good ol' days when we signed free agents
like that Selanne/Kariya day? yeah, that was fun
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That day was fun
the aftermath, well, the names Hampton and Neagle spring to mind…..
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
but THAT day was a blast
I was so excited
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I was calling buddies as soon as I heard it on the radio
that Avs team was going to be the bestest hockey team in history. Like, 10 goals a game good.
Then something went terribly wrong….
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
they were definitely one of the most talented teams in history
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I really like what the Kroenke's have done with Arsenal in the EPL..
That Wolcott is quite the footballer!
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Agreed
That VanPersie fellow can hold his own, and I’m growing fond of that Chamakh chap.
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Or Fernando Torres..
what’s up with that guy? He’s healthy and still plays like he’s hurt.
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While I appreciate what Kiz is trying to do here
it’s just not true….yet. The Broncos are ingrained in Denver’s DNA because they’ve been here the longest. The Nuggets (franchise) have been here since 1968. It’s hard to climb up that hill….
On the positive side, the Rox have made significant inroads into the Broncos dominance, as have the Avs and the Nuggets. Because so many people have moved in from out of state, Denver has become very “front running” at times and right now the Broncos are just dreadful to watch (thank you McD) If the Rox can keep the good times going for an extended period we will see this only increase.
But to say they’ve knocked off their perch is a bit premature on Kiz’s part
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I agree with most of this
It’s all about longevity, IMO. With relatively new franshises (Rockies, Avs) and many people moving in from out of state, it makes sense that there isn’t much loyalty to the franchises. But when teams win, everybody’s on board, regardless of loyalties/knowledge of the sport.
I consider myself in the first generation of kids that grew up with the Rockies (6th grade in 1993). By that logic, the Rockies are about in their third generation of kids growing up with the Rockies. I bet that by the time I’m an old man (2050, 70 yrs old) the Rockies will be an institution in Denver and the rest of the region. This is contingent upon them putting out competitive baseball a few years out of every decade, to keep the interest up.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Aside:
What I don’t agree with is placing blame on McDaniels for the Broncos current condition: Shanahan left the team in a poor position. There was an article in the past few days that really made me think: The Broncos 2008 team (Shanahan’s last) had 32 players on it that never played another game in the NFL after that season. That means that none of the 30+ NFL teams wanted 60% (32/53) of the Broncos team. That’s pathetic. I know there were a lot of good players on offense, but the back-ups and ALL of the defense were horrible.
It takes time to rebuild an entire team. They’ll be good in a couple of years. I say 2012 is when they really start contending again.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
It's all Pat Bowlen's fault, really.
but we can fight about that on MHR…
oh wait….
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Well, in my opinion
his first mistake was handing total control of everything to Shanahan, who turned out to be so bad with personnel (especially on defense) that his ability as a coach couldn’t bail them out.
His second mistake, bigger in my opinion, was turning around and vesting just as much control in the inexperienced McDaniels (and equally inexperienced Xanders, to the extent he has any real control).
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Well for one thing it seems that Bowlen is going senile.
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whenever I want to scare myself I look back at the Broncos first round draft picks of the 2000s
How we ended up consistently winning 10 games is a testament to Shanny the coach. Too bad Shanny the GM was terrible
makes you wonder how he decided on Clady.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Clady is probably Shanny's best pick in the 2000s
Shanny had a couple decent drafts 06 and 08 turned out pretty decent. Thats also right around the time when that father/son team (can’t think of their names, Goodman maybe?) came in and started helping with the draft
Denver had the #2 Offense in 2008..
Last year they were #15. This team has clearly taken a step back.
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Yards/game is not an accurate measure of offensive production.
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red zone production FTL
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- in yards, not points
- in defense in 08. #7 in defense in 09.
8-8 record in 08. 8-8 record in 09.
This team has clearly taken a step sideways.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
stinking formatting.
should be 29th ranked D in 08. 7th ranked in 09.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Now imagine if they had kept their offensive players from 08..
and then improved their Defense in 09. WHAMO! Super Bowl!! HURRAY!!
Because it’s not like they traded away these offensive guys for defensive guys. They just got rid of the offense. Oh and then they got rid of their 7th ranked defensive coordinator.
Instead of building on a strength and improving a weakness, they created two weaknesses. This team is 4 years from competing.
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no NFL team is 4 years away from competing
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If they are, their coach sucks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
and the GM
and the owner
and they have to be unlucky
and have poor training staff
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I'm not going to say anything bad about Greek..
but everyone else on that list, now that’s a different story.
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Wow. You're pretty bitter about a GM/coach that's been around for 17 games.
You can’t judge anything based on one game of this season. This year’s team might be better than last year and might be worse than last year, nobody knows.
Regardless, we’re talking about a rebuilding project, not taking over a great team like Tomlin did in Pitt. 60% of the 2008 roster never played another NFL game! You can’t rebuild that in one season.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I've been watching this team for 20 years now..
and this organization is worse off now than when Wade Phillips ran it! The only reason we’re rebuilding is because this idiot coach has to have his own way. The worst part is his way sucks! Constantly throwing slip screens even when the defense knows it’s coming. He blew up the team and got a Tebow in return.
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Well Charlie, that's your opinion.
I don’t think there’s nearly enough information after one season for anyone to declare they are right.
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Exactly.
I’ve watched the Broncos from the mid 1980’s myself, and while Wade Phillips isn’t a great head coach, that team was not horrible. Shanahan took most of his team to playoffs and eventually super bowl wins.
17 games is not enough to make an educated indictment of this situation, IMO.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Well 1996 was Shanahan's first year and he went 13-3..
so we’ll see how McDaniels measures up. But when you look at the talent on the team there are only 2 players who could be ranked top 5 in their position. The LT and the CB.
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second year, excuse me
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You made my point for me:
When Shanahan took over, he had much more talent than McDaniels did.
Stacked defense, HOF QB, in the prime of his career. He damn well should have been 13-3 or something like that. McDaniels was not left with anything close to that quality of roster.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
So you're saying Shanahan should've traded Elway..
and drafted Kordell Stewart, only in the 1st rd instead of the 2nd? Also the Broncos defense was ranked 28th when he took over, so calling it stacked is a little far-fetched.
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how is Jay Cutler in the same conversation as John Elway
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not to mention Kordell was nowhere as accomplished in college as Tebow
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but man could he throw a hail mary
That was a great time to be a Buff. If only I wasn’t 7 years old.
Anyone think CU could fire Hawk mid season if they lose to Hawaii? The talk radio people have already started calling for it
I remember watching the Miracle in Michigan
I was about 8. I freaked out the rest of the weekend.
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I thought Gary Barnett's contract was still in the way
They couldn’t fire hawkins and pay two people to not coach.
i think barring attending a somewhat prestigious bowl, he’s gone after this year.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
supposedly they had the money from booster support to can him last year
but how factual that is, idk
that's awesome/awful that boosters hold that much sway
“here is some money. fire that man.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
well they didn't end up firing him
Should have though. We’re losing another recruiting season this year
I think it was more that the AD
had decided to fire Hawkins, but the upper administration nixed the idea because they were concerned of the political ramifications of spending that kind of money when they were trying to negotiate for more state funding for the University in general, even though the money would not have come from the University budget at all.
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
No matter, they'll be 0-11 in the Pac 12 in no time
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Hey, we'll beat....Washington?
…Probably?
/sigh
I really hope we can talk somebody good into coming in to coach.
Is there anyone else available from Boise State?
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Haha...why would anyone else come over from Boise State?
MWC about to be a BCS conference. With BCS dollars.
And Boise State about to become permanent top dog of MWC (especially with Utah and BYU bailing)
who would leave a job entailing an automatic BCS appearance every year, to come coach one of the biggest doormats of any BCS conference?
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it cracks me up how everyone was “look how good Boise St. is. We’ll bring in their coach and be awesome!”
/Boise state hires Offensive Coordinator to heat coach.
/continues being awesome.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe in years they play Washington at home...
One enticement to getting in someone good to coach…ZOMG PAC-12!
One impediment….likely to be a semi-perennial doormat in the PAC-12.
Their saving grace, however, may be the number of years better teams in the conference spend on probation.
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I think the Pac-12 can eventually help
if they get the coaching situation straightened out. CU recruits heavily in California. Playing California teams regularly can only help.
CU has only recently been a doormat
They are still a top 20 winningest program of all time and until the last 4 years or so winning the Big 12 North every year.
If they can get a better coach they will turn the program around. They have actually recruited pretty well the last several years, its been player development and on field coaching that has been their weakness
Comparing Cutler to Elway at those points in their careers
Should qualify you for being burned at the stake.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
You were comparing players the two coaches took over..
all I’m saying is; would Shanahan made the Super Bowl if he had traded his Pro Bowl QB? McDaniels came in and went out of his way to try and bring Matt Cassel to Denver.
And before you blast my Cutler/Elway choice, how do you know Cutler won’t be a special player someday? Elway didn’t look that special his first few years in the league. It wasn’t until 1986 that he really began to shine.
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Cutler has all of the physical tools to be something special.
But he’s shown little to no willingness to improve the mental side of his game.
He’s got an amazing arm, but he trusts it too much, so he’ll still huck it into triple coverage on a whim. That can get you some amazing plays, but it also gets you the league lead in interceptions.
If he ever learns to be smarter with the ball and take what the defense gives him he could be very good. Its almost a pity that he whined his way out of working with one of the best QB coaches in the NFL.
Honestly, I’m not complaining too much. Cutler’s personality always rubbed me the wrong way. I just find Kyle Orton much more likable and easier to root for.
Cutler’s personality always rubbed me the wrong way
same here. don’t know why. just heard from multiple sources that he was dumb as a rock. and I hated how bad he was in the trash talking feuds with Rivers.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
There was a book written a few years back,
called “A Few Seconds of Panic.” It was by this guy named Stephen Fatsis who somehow convinced the Broncos to let him come to training camp in 2006, be on the team as a kicker, and write a book about it.
He really doesn’t paint a flattering picture of Cutler in the book. According to him, even as a rookie, Cutler was standoffish, arrogant, and disliked in the locker room.
Of course, Fatsis becomes great friends with Plummer in the book and therefore is somewhat biased against Cutler, given how hard Plummer got the shaft that year. But the book really cemented my dislike of Cutler, personality-wise, and made it hard for me to really root for the guy.
They didn't just decide "oh heck, let's just trade our offensive talent away!"
Cutler blew a situation completely out of proportion and disrespected his employer, Marshall was a jaywalking violation away from missing a whole season (and hated Denver anyways) and Scheffler was such a malcontent that the team’s leaders asked that he be benched before the last game.
But I don’t think their offense this year is going to be a weakness, assuming the offensive line can hold up. Kyle Orton is a better quarterback than Jay Cutler anyways.
by Shoemaker on Sep 16, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I always wondered though
If Cutler/Marshall/Scheffler were such malcontents/bad apples, who is responsible for that? They all came in the same draft with the same personnel, and it’s kind of strange that three guys from the same draft would end up being such problem children after the draft. If they were attitude issues before the draft, that doesn’t necessarily leave the FO off the hook either
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Not at all. But the FO at the time is gone now.
Player personnel decisions were made by Shanahan.
The Goodman’s are gone as GM.
The current FO is completely different from that FO.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I realize that
That’s kind of what I’m wondering, is it more the randomness of drafting three high talent/high diva players in one draft, or how much of that is the new regime alienating the old regime’s talent?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I would toss marshall out of that discussion.
I don’t see him suddently being a model citizen in Miami.
It could very well be alienating, but I don’t know if that’s a problem. Seems like McD clearly has a vision of what he wants the team to be. From what I’ve heard, many players have bought in. Some hve not. Some are no longer here. But it’s been an 8-8 team for a while so I’m kind of fine with the new blood for now, we’ll see where it goes.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
That's pretty much where I'm aat.
Shanahan pretty much got a free pass because of the Supre Bowls, but that was over a decade and his teams weren’t contenders anymore.
I’ll give the new regime through this year at least and see how 2011 starts before I assume they don’t know what they’re doing.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
Don’t forget that we offered Bmarsh a contract that paid him top dollar per year but protected the broncos and wasn’t guaranteed and he turned it down. He was going to walk anyways and we got pretty good value for him.
Plus the value we got for Cutler was unbelievable. After last year, no way does Cutler go for that much.
Now what we did with those draft picks, that is where I drift from the MHR koolaid and would get me labeled a hater.
The drafts haven't been lights out yet
but it’s too early to call any of the picks a bust (except for maybe Alphonso)
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Thats the main guy I think of
And one of my main gripes. I also didn’t like the trade up for the TE Quinn. They did a great job manuevering around this year although I also think they took Tebow too high but I am still a fan of Tebow
"love the player, hate the pick" has been my Tebow mantra all summer
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Tulo is a really big pick.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
mine was funnier
thinking of tebow with a unibrow
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
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See, this was my first thought when they drafted him.
But McDaniels and Xanders did some pretty impressive draft maneuvering, so we didn’t end up giving up anything more than a second round pick from what we had coming into the day for Tebow.
yeah we went into the day with something like 8 picks and ended up making 9 picks
McD/X worked the draft trades pretty well but I think Tebow could have fallen to the early second and we could have had him there.
There is also the opportunity cost of using those three picks on building depth for other positions
I'm almost certain Tebow wouldn't have been there by the 30th pick,
much less in the 2nd round.
If rumors are to be believed, Buffalo wanted him, New England wanted him, and Minnesota wanted him with their 30th pick. We just beat all of those teams to the punch by taking the receiver the Ravens wanted just ahead of them, then offering them a trade down.
As for the fact that we could have used the three picks we traded for Tebow, that’s a very fair point. I guess the way I see it is, they traded down with the full intent of getting Tebow and Thomas, so I never really saw those picks as usable anyways-they fully intended to use them to trade back up.
McDaniels/Xanders seem to be good at getting value in deals.
But they clearly struggled in the 2009 draft. They hadn’t done the prep work and shouldn’t have wasted the 2010 1st on Alphonso Smith.
I think the 2010 draft was much better (and I could care less one way or the other about Tebow, since they manufactured the picks used to trade up for his pick).
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
When they traded back up in 2009 I was so excited they were taking Maleluga (sp?)
and then they selected Smith and I was like What? And then to trade him only a year later. Bad moves.
Yeah. 2009 draft moves weren't my fav.
I still think Moreno and Ayers will turn out to be players, though.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Moreno had a pretty decent rookier year in
a platoon situation. And he looked pretty good Sunday. I’ll be interested to see him grow.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Alphonso Smith ftw
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
a step sideways...that's funny
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Yay for running up and down the field only to throw it away in the redzone!!! Yay!!!
It sucks that our prolific offense was dismantled but that offense had major problems and our Defense was dreadful those last few Shanny years.
I like the direction our team is headed now if they could only stay healthy
Which direction are they heading?
0-7 in their past 7 games?
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I had them going between 7-9 and 10-6 this year with the Jax game being one of the tossups
This coming Sunday is a should win though. Seattle is not a good team despite what they did to the 49ers last weekend (who I have felt was terribly overrated to begin with)
Last year's team was picked by everyone to win 4-6 games.
Then they win the first six and everyone forgot that the team wasn’t supposed to be any good. They are victim of they’re own success.
The defense was not deep and tired in the second half of the season, and Orton got hurt while Simms forgot how to throw a football.
Please wait more than one game to judge this season’s team. One game, on the road, in 92 degree 75% humidity heat, against a non divisional opponent doesn’t mean much at all.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
This year's team was also picked to win 4-6 games.
When the level of talent on the field is expected to only win 5 games every year, that’s a problem. At least before we were talking playoffs every year.
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They'll win more than 4-6 games.
The main stream media’s coverage of the Broncos is pathetic . . . much like it’s been for the Rockies, up until the last couple of years. I don’t listen for their opinions.
The team talked playoff because Shanahan always said: “If things go right, we’ll comete for a super bowl” every year . . . and every year, that prospect was further and further from realistic.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
And don't forget, a lot of people revised their win total down when Elvis tore his peck.
Is that McDaniel’s fault, too?
Great passion, but not much logic.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
and what’s funny is that everything I’ve read says Elvis wasn’t that great at stopping the run, which has been by far the biggest shortcoming of the defense for years.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
LOLSACKZ
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Denver was 50-1 longshots by Vegas before the Elvis injury..
and here’s at least one prognosticator that picked them to go 6-10 also before Elvis’ injury.
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It was so nice Sunday
to see that McDaniels has fixed those red zone issues.
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Brandon Lloyd was 3 inches away, man. 3 inches.
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Drag the damn toes!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Sunday was a tough game that I had as a tossup going into the season
The Broncos have historically not done well going to the South early in the season. Add in that we were starting 3 rookies on the online, turned the ball over deep into a drive, and our year after year inability to stop the oppenents special teams gave Jax the edge they needed to beat us.
It was a close game though and I think you will see a much better team this week against Seattle
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As Rockies fans, we want the Rockies to be the #1 in Denvers hearts, but at the same time we sometimes cringe at the lack of knowlege and such of the bandwagon fans. We can’t have it both ways- at least at this point in time, even though eventually we would like to have it both ways: seeing Denver as a knowlegable baseball town with the greatest fans.
I think it will take a couple generations to make Denver a “baseball town”, it will take years of raising kids, converting people, spreding the knowledge for the Rockies to have a larger “baseball town” “Rockies are #1 in my heart” fanbase than we have currently. We all know, of course, that bandwagon fans do not suddenly get revelations and get totally “Rockaholics” overnight. Well, not most. My fandom took only a couple years to get where it is today.
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Good Article....me likey
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Good take. I agree with you.
Making a move now would just reek of desperation and I don’t think they would get near the value they could as the trade deadline approaches.
by blooming rock on Sep 16, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, Happy(?) Crestfallen Day everyone
See ya’ll round the bend.
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Looking over the weekend pitching matchups
San Diego caught a lucky break vs St Louis
Stauffer vs Westbrook
Latos vs Lohse
Luebke vs Suppan
Garland vs Wainwright.
They have the advantage in the first 3 games.
The Mets will do no favors for us against the Braves either
Hanson vs Niese
Hudson vs Gee
Lowe vs Dickey
We need a huge weekend in LA, because we probably aren’t getting much help from other teams.
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Looks like it will be Young Saturday not Luebke
I don’t think that favors SD. His pitch count will be limited, he might be shaky etc. On the other hand Luebke has been sensational. It doesn’t say if they will move Luebke back or not.
by BringItHome on Sep 16, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not just going to look at pitching matchups and say "oh looks like we're not getting any help" anymore
Look at what the Nats did to the Braves the past 2 days. I guarantee St Louis at least takes 2, and the Mets take at least 1.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
St. Louis is at home
They do very well there. Of course, the same could have been said of the Rockies before the Padres came here this week. I still doubt San Diego comes out of STL with anything better than a split.
I'm stunned no one has brought up Derek Jeter yet.
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so......about this Jeter customerrrrrrrr.....
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I have zero issue with it, to be honest.
the umpire still had to make the call and award him the base.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it is similar to flopping in basketball and diving in soccer.
They take away from the game and I don’t agree with doing it; however, if it works then it’s on the ump/ref for making the wrong call.
But unlike the other sports, baseball players police their own better
If you’re the opposing pitcher who gave up the baserunner because of the acting job, you’re gonna make sure the next time he claims to get hit, it’s because he has been hit. Hard.
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Oh, I agree
And there are things that happen in both of the other sports that occur that aren’t quite as obvious. I just hope that this doesn’t turn into the norm like “simulating” has in soccer. Fortunately the governing body is attempting to eradicate that.
One way to prevent this from turning into the norm...
Jeter’s hand in a cast throughout the playoffs. Just sayin’.
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I don't have nearly the issue with it, that Jeter will have, when the next pitch that hits him breaks his wrist
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And what would be really funny is
if it was the same ump behind the plate, and he called him out. “Sorry, Derek. That clearly hit the bat” “what? my [censored] wrist is broken!” “yeah, I’ve heard that one before”
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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 16, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I mean, if it’s okay to sorta cheat, because it’s just part of the game….in a largely self-policing sport, it’s also okay to be held accountable for that sorta cheating.
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I'm pretty sure he was mentioned already.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Never mind, that was last night's game wrap.
I read it before the Rockpile this morning, that’s why the confusion.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Just ask yourself this
If EY or Dex pulls that off (faking a HBP) in a big game & scores the tying run in front of one of the bombers behind them, what’s your reaction as a Rockies’ fan?
Mine would be: “Smart play. Good job.”
Same goes for Jeter. We all hate to see the hated Yankees get an undeserved break,
but Jeter did what he should’ve done.
Mediocrity sucks
I really fail to see how you can be okay with this, and not be okay with binoculars from the bullpen
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I didn't really care about the binocular-gate either
but this is still putting the decision in the umpire’s hand. Just as he has to call balls and strikes, he also has to award free passes to ballplayers. Jeter did his job and got on base.
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I have no problem whatsoever with it
he did what he had to do
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by El Paso Jeff on Sep 16, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
How about Clint Barmes pretending he caught a ball last year and throwing to first?
That play made me think long and hard on this point, and I came to the conclusion that in my mind, it’s dishonesty. I’ll be teaching my son that that sort of behavior is the same as lying, which is wrong and that people of character don’t do it. Just because it’s a sporting event with umpires doesn’t make it different from any other aspect of life, where we would call that “fraud”. Win the game on the field within the rules and you’re a real winner.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and from the polls I’ve seen on the topic, I know many people disagree with me on this, but that’s my take.
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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 16, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
that is certainly a great take
and reminds us that how important is to not let winning a game mean everything. Could you imagine if Barmes had just been honest with the ump no id didn’t catch it lol we will never see that.
it's completely the unpires call
the players testimony is irrelevant. Some calls go your way some go the other way. The player’s job is to complete the play and wait for the call.
by BringItHome on Sep 16, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
But how you complete the play depends on what happened
In Barmes’ case, knowing he hadn’t caught the ball, the correct next move is to throw to 2nd (or possibly home, I forget the exact situation). In Jeter’s case, knowing the ball hit the bat, the correct next move is to run to 1st base. Both took an action where the entire purpose of the action was to deceive the umpire and would not be the correct baseball move if the umpire got the call right.
Imagine a contractor does some electrical work. He makes a mistake, knows it, and covers it up. An inspector reviews the work, doesn’t see the mistake because it’s been covered up (even though he could see it if he looked closely) and passes it. The contractor says “it’s up to code if the inspector says it is” or “my job is to get the work done on time, the inspector’s job is to make sure it’s safe”. To me, that’s dishonesty and I don’t want to do business with that contractor. Why is it any different in the sporting world?
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Why is it different in the sporting world? Because it IS. No lives are at stake. Come on.
You might be interested in this article here – I thought it was a neat viewpoint.
Me, personally… I’m not going to condone it, but I’m not going to vilify it either. After all…
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Great article
I pretty much agree with it completely.
And his point is perfect: It’s kinda sad that the great Jeter has come to resort to this to get on base. :-/
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting article
though I don’t think it brought up any points I hadn’t already considered. I reject the author’s assertion about the nature of baseball and baseball players on the grounds that there are multiple types, just like there are multiple opinions on this topic. I come from the Cal Ripken (Sr., not Jr.) school of “baseball as life” and would offer the following article in reply: http://www.ripkenbaseball.com/cc/notebook/index.html?article_id=754
Like I said in my other post, I know there are many who disagree with me on this point, and that’s fine. It does make me think I need to be very careful about who I choose to do work for me though :-)
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There's nothing wrong with trying to influence the umpire IMO
Just like you hit the breaks before you speed past a up cop and then speed up again. To me, what Jeter did is no different than a catcher trying to pull his glove back into the strike zone after receiving a ball out of it. The rules of baseball are subject to the review of a human who is as susceptible to mistakes as the players are. Part of winning the game is taking that into account and working it to your advantage. If you don’t you can be sure the other team will.
thats part of my problem with it
everyone does it so that makes it not only okay, but a necessity. Some sort of personal integrity is required in baseball. We can’t simply let our moral rule be whatever it takes to win. As history has shown this kind of ethic destroys the game. I’m not sure where you draw those ethical lines, but influencing/deceiving the ump is certainly borderline to me. Roarfrom112 makes an important point baseball nedd higher ethical standards rather than lower ones
you can't depend on moral integrity to govern the game.
That’s why you need the best umpires in the game to do so. Self governance never works in any ethos. You need law and officers to enforce it. This is different than in society though since this is a game and stretching the rules as much as possible is part winning.
while I agree
the game is run and managed by old men who think that the game is still pure and honorable and that 97.996% of players abide by said code.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
but you assume there is something dishonorable about
influencing a call and if that’s the case where do you draw the line? It happens every game. And again, the reason it happens is because the rules are subjective. There have never been two identical strike zones and in a game that moves very fast at times with no instant replay sometimes even catches and HBP calls are subjective.
obviously your right
I had no problem with those two miss catches last year. I hate it because its Derek Jeter and the Yankees, but I think that’s allowed. They have the biggest payroll in baseball and they still cheat to win games. But if it was the Rockies I’d be proud of whoever did it
Cheating, no. 100-percent bitch-made, yes. But not cheating.
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he was clearly decieving the ump
whats your definition of cheating
Framing a pitch that’s six inches off the plate to try and buy a strike call is also deceiving the ump. We don’t call that cheating.
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I think there is a qualtative difference
between faking getting hit by a pitch rather than framing a pitch as a strike. but that’s just my opinion maybe a 100 % bitch made is the correct way to put it.
Hahah...instant replay would sure make Jeter look like a douchenozzle
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Where's the beef
with Jeter? I’ve never understood why he is so hated, what has he ever done except play hard and win championships. It’s not his fault the system is rigged towards the big market teams.
Yankees lol
and overhype, honestly.
Jeter is a no-doubt hall-of-famer, he’s just been a phenomenal player in his career.
Same with Helton, Chipper, Ichiro…maybe Vlad…yeah, Vlad
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Yankees....
RIRF hasn’t been around in a few days…I would love to know what he thought about this manuever.
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What I don't get
is how they heard that sharp ping noise and thought it hit his arm. Human flesh does not make that noise.
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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 16, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Yankee flesh does, because it's made out of championship trophy metal
…or mettle.
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there's a simple solution
Next week when the Rays play the Yankees again, plunk Jeter for real, let the umpires issue a “warning” to both benches and let it go. Unfortunately, the Yankees would probably take it as a personal insult to their Leader and start a brawl.
Yeah, but make sure you hit him on the hand, just so he knows how it actually feels
You know, method acting.
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I’m surprised Betancourt does THAT well with contact percentage. Looking at his stats page, you’d assume he threw 100mph fastballs that people waved at, but when they finally make contact, hit it far.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriouesly worth Connor Graham
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
worth a whole crate of graham crackers
speaking of, has anyone checked out how Conor did this year?
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ERA/FIP of 3.43/4.60 in 79IP
K rate dropped to 18%, which was never lower than 21% in our org, though he boosted GB rate to 64%
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow...I give the Padres some credit for paying attention to the 15 fans on GLB
http://www.gaslampball.com/2010/9/16/1692696/a-thank-you-note-to-gaslamp
RMN, you need to get ahold of Mr. Barmes or somebody
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well they have to do something to try to fill that stadium
But damn, a second ticket for only $1, thats huge
I KNOW!!!
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"limit 6 per order. See you at PETCO."
So if two GLBers take up the offer, that will nearly double attendance.
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So, my assumption is that we are rooting for the Cards tonight?
Or are we concerned more about the WC? I really want the Padres to lose now.
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Always root for the teams ahead of us to lose
Especially considering we have four games vs Stl, zero vs. SDP
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point :)
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yes Go Cards
try to win 2…3 would be awesome…they are good at home even though they just got swept by the Cubs….and Go Dodgers for one more game then back to hating Dodgers for 3 games then back to rooting for the Dodgers for 3 games lol
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
and Go Mets
Braves tough 9 game road trip coming up they can realistically go 3-6 on it….the 3 games in Philly they face Halladay Oswalt and Hamels and don’t have Hudson or Lowe going
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Go Rockies.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
above all yes
Go Rockies
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
You know what I would love..
if Holliday slides into home, it’s questionable, but the decision goes in the Cards favor. That would crush the souls of the Padres for sure.
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haha that would epic
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Cubs are another team
we have to root for down the stretch 4 games @ SD and 3 at home vs SF
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Ha, I LOVE this from Craig Calcaterra
Rockies 9, Padres 6: Troy Tulowitzki (2 HR, 7 RBI) cannot be bargained with. He cannot be reasoned with. He cannot feel remorse, or pity or fear. And he will not stop until you are dead. But if Tulowitzki is the Arnold version of the Terminator, let’s be sure to note that Adrian Gonzalez was the liquid metal version from T2 (i.e. almost as good, but not victorious): 2 HR and 5 RBI for him. Shame that they both got lowered into that molten lava at the end of the game.
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DBacks beat the Reds 3-1 thanks snakes!
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Reds have "swept in NLDS" written all over them
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the shouldn't have passed out first.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have minded the Reds winning these
The better to ensure the Cards are well out of it by the season’s final four games.
But seeing the post below….yeah, if it makes the Cards play hard this weekend, that’s cool.
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Well, you know, their ace.....
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Reds games really don't matter
plus they play nobody down the stretch…if anything them losing is good for the Cardinals this weekend maybe they believe they are hanging on in the race
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I just like reporting that the Reds lose. I really don't like that team. Never have.
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true
well if the playoffs involve…the Phils reds giants padres/braves then i must say i would def root for the Reds by default
time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!
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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 16, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
oh,
before tulo’s 2nd home run, he hit a foul ball that cleared my head by honestly 10 feet. hit above me and bounced a section over in the same row i was in.
i wanted that ball so bad. i was going to take it over to Muzia’s house and throw it through his window.
The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 16, 2010 3:43 PM MDT reply actions
so you figured out your dog didn't "run away"
I just didn’t have the heart to break the news to you.
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I was at the game where Barmes blew Ubaldo's 18th win and the same thing happened to me.
I was in the final section in foul territory in left field right next to the Foul pole. Tulo launched one that was maybe 10-15 feet right over my head maybe 20 feet foul from being a HR. The ball hit the seats about 6 rows up, almost took out this old lady.
Either one or two pitches later Tulo launches another one towards us but this time it stayed fair and landed in the tunnel for a HR.
did you want to throw it through my window too?
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No I'd definitely keep the ball
That is the closest I have come to catching a baseball at a game. I would definitely keep my first
okay good
because the maintenance people at my complex are terrible. I would have broken windows until next March
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I would walk around with the cat on my shoulders like a shawl to keep warm
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Closest I came was the home run Seth Smith hit off Lincecum last year.
It first went to a guy in the row behind me. He dropped it and i went to my left for it. Unfortunately it rolled to my right foot and the person beside me got it.
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Someone needs to post a vid of that
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He discusses the Rockies Francis / JDLR conundrum and manager poll on replay.
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by Charlie77 on Sep 16, 2010 5:34 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think he's a little unfair to DLR
but I can see where he’s coming from. My response to this is….where are the Rox going to find a legit number 2 to replace DLR? Those who say we don’t need a legit 2 I have some swampland I think you should take a look at.
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I don't think the issue is so much "where we find a #2" as it could still be, is JDLR a legit #2?
I believe he is, but he’s not so far removed from his truly inconsistent days that it’s a dead cert that he’s not…well…Oliver Perez.
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I think JDLR is legit
The fact is… and I didnt think about it til his last start. Its been about 2 years since the last time I was worried if Jorge would handle a spurt of bad luck. Sure, he isn’t perfect every outing – neither has Ubaldo, JJ, Halladay, or even CC been wonderful every outing – but even when things go bad for him I still have confidence in him.
That is a night and day change from his first year in Denver.
I don’t even recognize him as that meltdown headcase anymore – that doesn’t even factor into the personality he now possesses. If all the other GMs want to fear him being a Perez – good for them – it will just make him affordable to stay with his current team.
And I like that a lot.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want him to get screwed out of a big contract – he deserves to get paid. I just think he should be payed fair value. And I do believe the Rockies will pay him fair value – they just won’t pay him overvalue.
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Where do we find a legit #2?
His name is Jhoulys Chacin
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Too soon
Even Ubaldo didn’t blossom into Ace status for 3 years
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Anybody around watching Card/Pads?
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Our "regional" baseball is CHW/MIN! :-p
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Our region is obviously The Black Hole of Suck as far as MLBN is concerned
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Dario Marianelli <3
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Which team is he on?
(kidding)
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Off topic message I just had to post.
Atonement soundtrack is putting me to tears.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 16, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I know exactly what you mean. Beautiful score.
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well played!
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Bums up 1-0
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So far, so good
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions
ESPN again?
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nope..just following online
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I'm watching on MLBN
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
(Highlights and look-ins, that is)
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it bad that I know MLBN is channel 420 on my cable system?
Even though I almost always watch in HD on 690?
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Is it bad that I will add to MLBN to the channel that comes on
when I first power up my TV? Even over a news channel?
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That is not bad. That is win
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I know that MLBN is channel 213 and FSNRM is channel 683 on DirecTV...so, no, I don't think it's bad
lest I be a hypocrite
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I went to BWWs when I was in Florida
Asked for the Rockies game on a TV (it was a day game, and the place wasn’t exactly packed). After a while of them searching, I had to tell them it was on 683.
I wish I could be watching the Dodgers-Giants game right now
F you, MLBN for showing me Twins-White Sux.
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:35 PM MDT reply actions
Watching FX's The League right now.
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They'll show it after this game is over, (I hope)
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So do I
I love bonus coverage
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
So, if the Pads keep collapsing and finish out of it...
does that kill Bud Black’s chance for Manager of the Year? Or is the fact we’re still talking about the pre-season favorite for the cellar enough?
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Call me crazy, but if the Rockies make the playoffs...I'm calling Jim Tracy of MOY
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No way.
What’s the argument for him? If taking a talented team to the playoffs is all it takes, then Girardi is AL MoY every year. But we know he’s MFY instead!
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Don't call him Moy
his name is Jim
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They won't give it to him two years in a row
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interesting debate
However, consider these two big reasons SD was universally picked to finish last.
1. No one beleived A-Gon and Bell would last the season in SD… many analysts predicted them traded before the ASG.
2. The team strength is pitching which people saw works with a SD team – as recently as 07. The thing is it was a rookie heavy staff and analysts immediately wrote it off as no-talent because of that. Truth is they have a better staff than the Peavy-Young led one in 07.
Had everyone been able to accept how good Latos and Richards and Adams and Gregerson would be right away I think even on paper SDG looks to be a “in the mix” club as constructed. not overall dominant cause only a couple hitters can really hurt you in the lineup, but not a cellar team cause that pitching is so good.
Now asking what Black could do with his roster – knowing what we now know about the unproven pitching staff that proved itself this year – he would favor well for MOY but might not be a slam dunk – even if they were to finish 3rd in the division with a strong record but never holding 1st place all year.
Honestly, Considering what happened in Houston there is your weak team that might produce a MoY. Personally, I think Cox has a sentimental and actually valid reason to win the award though.
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These are all good points.
I’ve been so focused on the West, that I hadn’t thought about Cox, but that’s not a bad call.
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I'd probably have Black very high on my list
regardless of whether or not they make the playoffs this year. My guess is that Cox will win it, as the Braves are perceived as a surprise team in addition to the obvious sentiment for honoring Cox. Personally, I’m not that surprised the Braves are where they are, not nearly as much as Sandy Eggo or Cincinnati. Baker might also make my list, if not for the long record showing that he generally has some success about this point of his tenure, before eventually blowing things up and leaving a devastated pitching staff in his wake.
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Forgot to add, if I had a vote
I would cast it for Bruce Bochy. Simply because I want to see McC asplode….
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Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Sit down Stairs.
2 GB MaxiPads
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Special on Aisle 3 tonight...
Dodger blue barf-bags for Rowbot cheering against the Gints. 3/$1
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I'll take 27...
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
well, we gain a 1/2 game on the divsion
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Sep 16, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions
No.
Not if the Giants win.
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions
for the 2 or 3 hrs anyways...
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Sep 16, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions
But regardless of the LAD-SFO game
The Rockies are only down 2 in the loss column.
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I'm actually shock the Dodger actually got a run
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
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Zomtober!!!
Looks like Lilly is about to give up more runs
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
alot of huffing and puffing on that one
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Sep 16, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I HATE HIM.
Yeah, my username says it all.
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually kind of like the guy off the field.
But as a Giant player, he’s beyond irritating.
Also, apparently his wife gave birth to their second child a couple days ago.
DATS WAYCIST! ;-p
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
well it doesn't help when the pitcher only tops out in the mid 80s
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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
Zomtober!!!
by Colsportsfan on Sep 16, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Huff's numbers this year are so far above his career norm...
hmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
Hmmm...and he's a Gint...and Jon Miller loves Barry Bonds
Someone better call MLB. LOLCHEETERZ
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Guess this game is over
once the Giants hit that 3 run mark, they generally win. Plus I the Dodgers doesn’t care enough to give any effort for a comeback
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
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Zomtober!!!
Looks like we're going to end the day
The same as we started. 2.5 GB in the division, 2.5 GB of the WC.
Yeah, my username says it all.
Rockies odds still improve
Loss column means a lot comparing SDG’s 2.5 lead last noight to the potential SFO 2.5 lead tonight.
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That we still have games to play against SF helps too
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Kind of a different question but curious
If you sit in the left field pavilion for a fireworks game do they let you on the field for the fireworks? Got tickets in Sec 157 and just wondering. Thanks
Yes...that section is part of the group that gets to go on the field.
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember a couple years ago an entry on eBay
A girl went to a Rockies fireworks show, got let on the field for the fireworks, and once in left field saw a pile of chewed sunflower seeds.
She scooped them up and put them in a baggie then put them up on eBay as Matt Holliday used sunflower seeds.
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ewwwwwwww...
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember this story
was it written up somewhere?
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
perhaps is was posted on here
I don’t normally search eBay for used Holliday seeds so something pointed me to that entry.
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by Kris Hansen on Sep 16, 2010 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions
If the Dodgers wake up against us this weekend
i’m going to be really pissed.
i guess we should be thrilled they managed to win one against the giants.
go BREWERS!!! (cough)
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
Odds are more likely that we will go to sleep
than that they will wake up. But, yes it will drive me NUTS
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I do kind of get the feeling that they have gone to full "mail it in" mode at this point
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by Paleface Destro on Sep 16, 2010 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Which could make this the best
road trip ever. We are surging and the Dogs and DBacks are over it
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Dbacks beat the Reds today...At least they're trying-ish
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And Mitchel just hit a Home Run
Who?
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OK I burned my "who?" joke too early
I really should have waited for this guy
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Is HU on first?
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Hu was on first!
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Hu took second on a wild pitch
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Hu was left on base
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
I don't remember anyone being left on base
in the A&C routine…
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
by RockyMtnCat on Sep 16, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It is just too easy
takes all the fun out of witticisms
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Well, "trying" isn't really what I want from them come Monday
“experimenting” or “testing”, maybe even “folding” would be better
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
OK it is now 6-1
bases loaded. I am about to switch to rooting for a rout so that the Dogs have to burn their pen
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Iam of the opinion that if we pass one of the teams ahead of us, Giant or Padres
We will get the WC at least
I am of the opinion that if we pass 2 of the 3 (SF, SD, or ATL)
Then we will get in the playoffs… Oh wait that is not an opinion
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
unless everyone but the Cards bombs out
think we are still over 4 games over them though so its really bombing out.
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
At the risk of potentially offending the delicate sensibilities sometimes on display here… there is this, and it is awesome.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I wanted to be offended
but I couldn’t get it to load properly
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Same here
2010 Colorado Zombies--It ain't over til it's over.
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all! Good luck with the Rays!
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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Really? Bummer. It’s not that offensive, really, all things considered – the song choice would be a better one for Tulo’s hitting music than ‘Party in the USA’, anyway.
I’m sad for you guys. That video cracked me up, plus there’s 11 Tulo dingers.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Yeah, I got it
I think I was trying to do too much at the same time. It worked on the 5th page refresh
Thanks for the link!!
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Oh wow.
I feel stupid. It worked for me, but I didn’t understand the song choice until just now when I read your comment. Duh.
I think the song can be interpreted in a number of ways
What gives me pause is what the original meaning was…
It couldn’t have been as dirty as it sounds now
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Yes it was
2010 Colorado Zombies--It ain't over til it's over.
Brad Hawpe - Thanks Brad, you were a class act. I'm going to miss you most of all! Good luck with the Rays!
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
Well it was a double entendre
I guess the song references two bells that were a gift from his Grandmother
obviously playing with double meanings. Like Tulo’s current walk-up music… ?!
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
Oh, I understood the song itself.
I just didn’t understand the relation to the Tulo video. I totally missed the “dinger” connection.
ROFL!
I especially loved when the tacos started dancing on the “shave and a haircut” riff at the end.
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
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by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Worked for me
And it’s actually pretty awesome and a little bit hilarious…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
by Junction Rox on Sep 16, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Keep trying
I finally got it to work and it is not offensive, but well worth the effort.
Somebody has to use that as walk up music!
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
that is AWESOME!!
great story involving the rox and that chuck berry classic..
1994 in mile high, my seats are right behind the third base dugout.
the pirates had some kid righthander come in to pitch relief.
he’s working out of the stretch, so he’s facing us directly.
every pitch – seriously, EVERY PITCH…
nervous habit – he’d start tapping the ball on his cup..
totally obvious, we’re all just dying (including my then 13 year old daughter who is with me).
after about two batters, some guy in our section get’s up and starts singing my ding a ling – probably had 40 people singing along.
i’m not sure i’ve ever laughed harder, too bad TV didn’t get it or something…
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
by RockyMtnCat on Sep 16, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
8-2
I hope the Dodgers continue this tomorrow
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
And Guillen goes deep.
When will the Giants penchant for aging veteran bats finally catch up to them?
well soon I think
we kept asking that about the padres and finally they lost 10 in a row so…… hopefully the baseball Gods are just testing our patience :)
no way you can hit the ball like the giants are on a foggy night
those balls are clearly juiced….
watch this space for a soon to be created clever remark....
I think the giants want to win the division
but they are used to loosing so hopefully they take it well in october :)
the balls, the batters, the bats, the announcers....
juiced, juiced, corked, and juiced
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ROCKTEMBER - The month before we play Mora playoff games
ROCKTEMBER - The rest of you can settle for Festivus
by Mondogarage on Sep 16, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Giants don't need no humidor they have Bonds handle their balls
"I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else" - W. Churchill
kinky ;-p
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
Chief Engineer of the Ubaldo Lovers Club, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Happy Ubaldo Day Eve,
everyone!!
I'm a BelieveR!!!
This is R year!
by prettyinpurple on Sep 16, 2010 10:22 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
So... is a soul-crushing 9th inning too much to ask ?
And in the process the Bums shoot their load and roll over for us to sweep them?
It'll all be ok in the end. If it's not ok, it's not the end.
"I hope this game isn't horrible. Because if it is, we're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see the Rockies win." ~5-yo
"Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug."~Mitch Williams
Chief Engineer of the Ubaldo Lovers Club, Proud Member of the PR Gynocracy
by Rox the Casbah on Sep 16, 2010 10:38 PM MDT reply actions
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