Melvin Mora’s value: Better than the alternatives.
Over the past few weeks we've seen an awful lot of Melvin Mora playing at 3B. He's basically assumed the starting 3B position, which is kind of the necessity right now, and he's not doing an awful job of it.
Mora's season has gone up and down, month-to-month, but it's more or less been effective whenever he's played.
|
Month |
OPS |
wRC+ |
|
Mar/Apr |
.814 |
113 |
|
May |
.468 |
29 |
|
Jun |
.675 |
89 |
|
Jul |
.909 |
143 |
|
Aug |
.766 |
104 |
|
Sep |
.710 |
86 |
Ok except for May. May was awful.
To top that off, Mora has been passably good at 3B. His -0.9 UZR at 3B isn't great (-3.9 UZR/150), and that's mostly driven by declining range (-1.6RngR), but he makes up for it with good hands and a positive error rate (0.9ErrR). His UZR on the season is -4.7, but a lot of that is based on the poorly executed "Melvin Mora at 2B" experiment.
So enough about UZR, we get the idea, he's not a Gold Glove 3B. But considering the fact that we only really needed him to back up 3B, sort of 1B, and I guess the corner OF spots when 3 of our 5 outfielders weren't available, he's hardly a poor defender. At 3B anyhow.
This should paint a sufficient picture of the expectations we had of Melvin Mora when we began the season: a bench player. If we look at where Mora is right now, I think it'd be fair to say that he's a bit below average (currently posting a 100 wRC+ and a slightly sub-average UZR), but not by much. In other words, a bench player. He's basically done everything we've expected of him, including all of those nice clubhousey things like mentor the young Latin players by regaling them with tales of the minors and helping Carlos Gonzalez not be the only Venezuelan position player on the roster (the good news there is that Johnny Herrera picked up some of that slack as well).
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Now that we've established that we're getting what we paid for out of Mora, let's make some arbitrary comparisons to other players that I'll weakly tie into a theme here.
|
Name |
wRC+ |
UZR |
WAR |
Salary ($M) |
$M/WAR |
|
Melvin Mora |
100 |
-4.7 |
0.5 |
$1.28 |
$2.56 |
|
99 |
-8.3 |
0.4 |
$3.50 |
$8.75 |
|
|
Jorge Cantu (FLO) |
95 |
-8 |
0.2 |
$4.60 |
$23.00 |
|
Jorge Cantu (TEX) |
42 |
-1.6 |
-0.5 |
$1.40 |
INF |
|
63 |
2.8 |
0.1 |
$0.85 |
$8.50 |
|
|
78 |
5.6 |
1.4 |
$3.02 |
$2.16 |
|
|
Jhonny Peralta (CLE) |
92 |
-2.5 |
0.8 |
$3.07 |
$3.83 |
|
Jhonny Peralta (DET) |
103 |
-0.4 |
0.8 |
$1.53 |
$1.92 |
|
Miguel Tejada (BAL) |
82 |
-6.6 |
-0.1 |
$5.00 |
INF |
|
Miguel Tejada (SDP) |
120 |
2.2 |
1.5 |
$1.00 |
$0.67 |
|
89 |
2.5 |
0.7 |
$0.98 |
$1.40 |
|
|
88 |
-6.6 |
0.3 |
$1.00 |
$3.33 |
|
|
55 |
-4 |
-1.1 |
$4.50 |
INF |
Now as with anything, there are a handful of caveats we need to take into consideration. For starters, these WAR figures aren't including the 2nd half of September, so that could skew the numbers a few points here or there. Additionally, the WAR figures are based on playing time, so some guys who have played most of the season as starters are going to have accumulated more WAR than primarily bench guys (although 300PA is hardly anything to sniff at).
Secondly, each player has their own little story to go along with the numbers and the reason we don't have them on our team.
Baker, for example, is still under team control with Chicago, per the CBA. Much as it looks like we'd have liked him back (seeing how he wins the $/WAR competition, not to mention the swimsuit contest - what?), that ship sailed for the 2010 season already. He does absolutely kill lefties though, so that may be something to think about going forward.
Tejada, while he's hit much better since moving to SD (82 wRC+ w/BAL, 112 wRC+ w/SD), was out of our price range from the start. He wanted to still be a starting infielder, but we were looking for a guy who could play multiple IF positions coming off of the bench. So that ruled out Tejada.
Orlando Cabrera was a similar case to Tejada, in that he wanted to start still. Cincinnati was willing to acquiesce to this, and signed him to be a SS, with Paul Janish backing up the IF (mostly SS). While he wasn't horrifyingly expensive, his WAR is pretty much all glove, and when we're talking about utility players, we just need guys who can competently play the positions and then provide some sort of bat that isn't godawful. Mora fit that role more for Colorado than Orlando Cabrera would have. Not to mention the fact that UZR's fielding valuations are still pretty suspect: a UZR-heavy WAR is somewhat less reliable than a wOBA-heavy WAR, in that batting valuation is pretty spot-on. UZR shouldn't really be the make-or-break aspect of a good player's WAR, but seeing how we're dealing with bench players and/or players declining with age, it somewhat makes sense that their valuation may be a bit suspect.
Felipe Lopez had character issues and other similar reasons why we weren't really interested in him. Probably a good thing we missed out on him, despite how much we all wanted him to come be as awesome as he was in Arizona. The price was less expensive than Mora, but his lack of production ended up costing the Cardinals.
Jorge Cantu was kind of an interesting case, as he has been hailed as a clutch kind of guy, and seems to be the sort that needs someone to just take him under their wing. Juggling him around the IF would have probably ended up poorly, and given his salary and production, he's the most expensive guy of the lot.
Fernando Tatis gets a pass due to injury, I guess, but I wanted to list him as well because he was our other "perfect fit" kind of guy next to Melvin Mora. Terrible bat, but positive fielding, yet all for naught as he only put up 72PA this season.
Jhonny Peralta is an interesting player to look at. He started off the season with Cleveland as a below-average bat and below-average glove. Since the trade to Detroit, he's improved his 92 wRC+ to a respectable 103, and his -2.5 UZR to a -0.4 UZR (albeit in ½ the playing time). What's funny about Peralta is that he has a reputation as being a poor glove man with a positive bat. His past 3 seasons at SS, he's improved his play at SS from a -12.3 UZR/150 in 2007 to -1.2 in 2008, 9.3 in 2009, and now he's at a 6.5 UZR/150 with Detroit (Cleveland played him exclusively at 3B this season where he cost the Tribe -2.5 runs with his poor play - I guess Jason Donald's -9.2 and Asdrubal Cabrera's -6.7 UZRs at SS were worth the move; who knew?). The only thing keeping Peralta's UZR splits with Detroit from being a net positive are 60 ill-fated innings where he didn't commit an error, but showed a Garrett-Atkinslike lack of range at the position.
Wow, that got off-topic. The fact is, it's looking like Peralta might have been one of the better deals at the deadline, as far as pure money-per-WAR (and I'm not taking prospect loss into consideration), and much as I was against him, he might have been a good addition to the team. Might. When we were looking to acquire Peralta, he would've been either starting at SS in Tulowitzki's absence (probably not, given Barmes' glove and whatever organizational favor he still had working for him at that point) or coming off of the bench. It seems that the consistency in Detroit has helped his play, as he's gotten the majority of playing time from August through now. I don't think he would've gotten that playing time in Colorado, given the organization's test-drive of Eric Young Jr.
Did I really just write that much about Jhonny Peralta?
So to try and summarize this, it looks like Melvin Mora may have been a good buy, given the role he's playing. The other part-time players available haven't performed nearly up to the snuff that Mora has, and the players that have outperformed Mora haven't been available as part-time players. Mora has offensively outperformed most of the alternatives and all of the alternatives that fit that part-time role. Defensively, he's been a sound player, and while he hasn't really turned too many heads, he's been generally acceptable at the position.
What will be very interesting is to see how the Rockies proceed with Mora's position in 2011. Will they stay in-house? Will they move for another veteran bench RHB? Or will the simply resign Melvin Mora? Discuss.
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Thank you so much for writing this because
I’ve been saying for a long time Mora was undervalued. He’s been a great sign for us!
However, I don’t think he will be back because he shouldn’t be back. Herrera/Nelson can fit the role of Mora and bring more flexibility at a cheaper price.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 11:47 AM MDT reply actions
it's an assumption about Nelson I'm not sure the org is willing to make
it’s not a bad idea, but Herrera’s 85 wRC+ doesn’t stack up to Mora’s 100
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Mora is what he is.
A one year deal. I just can’t see the team resigning him when there’s viable options within the organization.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 16, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Can we just use Herrera next year and rename him Jamey Carroll?
Compare these two career lines:
.275/.333/.332 – Herrera
.275/.355/.348 – Carroll
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Neither do either of our catchers?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
thats absurd
Quit including Mora in our list of catchers, Andrew
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 12:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Clearly he belongs in left field.
Gosh.
Score a goal. Unit. Basket. Go squadron! Do good! Defeat the opponents soundly in this...skirmish.
But I'm disappointed, because Mora just won't win the AL Rolaids Relief Man
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 12:00 PM MDT reply actions
and run for Governor of Minnesota
/throws SDcat09 under bus
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Mora, Herrera, CarGo, Torrealba are all proof that Venezuela is a hotbed of baseball talent..
What kind of presence do the Rockies have in that country? Can we hire Andres Gallaraga to lead a Venezuelan baseball camp?
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nevermind Johan Santana and Jhoulys Chacin
I wonder how that would go down. The Dominican Republic is a far different place than Venezuela, so I don’t know how well received baseball academies would be.
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
hm upon the most minimal of research
it looks like they are sprouting up in Brazil, nicuragua, as well as venezuela
excellent post, Andrew
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
You really don't know the answer to that?
Herrera, Chacin, Morales, Wilin Rosario and Rafael Ortega are just a few of the names we’ve signed there thanks to Rolando Fernandez and Francisco Cartaya (our lead scout there) among others. The Rockies have as strong a presence in Venezuela as anybody.
Isn't the academy based in D.R. though?
I just think from a development standpoint there could be a bigger return on investment from a localized academy in Venezuela. I mean how much can it cost to throw out some grass seed, provide some worn-out practice uniforms and hire someone to cook Chachapas?
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I'd rather the team continue to spend that money on the players themselves.
Making improvements to their academy in the D.R., or possibly opening one in Brazil. I think that as long as Chavez is in power, any capital investment in Venezuela is more a gamble than a risk.
Again, though, I’m not seeing much of an issue with our current output. Two of the team’s top twenty prospects are from Venezuela (Ortega and Albert Campos) and we just graduated another top of the rotation prospect from that country this season. You also have a handful of other intriguing players from the country like Daniel Mayora and Juan Gonzalez, who shouldn’t be overlooked. I think our ROI from VE really isn’t being matched within the division (Giants do okay there, Pablo Sandoval being the obvious example) or the league. Especially the last couple of years.
I forgot about Chavez..
Yeah definitely don’t want to invest money into his country. Better to keep exporting people out of it.
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Here's an idea
A Venezuelan baseball academy in Curacao or Aruba. Or even Trinidad. Although they play Cricket there.
I’ll volunteer to be on that staff.
Filling the "backup corner infielder" on this team is an interesting question for next year.
If we don’t re-sign Mora, we need somebody to spell both first and third base.
Herrera and Nelson (supposedly, anyways) can both play third base, but I don’t see either spending much time at first.
So you could re-sign Giambi and have him and Todd split time at the corner next year, but that’s spending another roster spot on two left-handed first basemen who don’t play another position (aside from DH).
I’m not entirely sure what backup corner infielders will be available in free agency this winter, but we could always go shopping for another, though we’d probably just re-sign Mora in this case.
I do have a question, though, that pertains to an in-house solution: does anybody know how serious the organization is about the possibility of Iannetta as a corner infielder? I remember hearing he takes groundballs at third every day, and he’s been subbed in at first in some recent blowouts. Is this just something the team is trying in preparation for a worst-case scenario, or would they actually consider giving Ianetta playing time as Todd/Ian’s backup next year?
On paper, I find the idea interesting. Assuming that his defense isn’t atrocious at either corner, and that he can put his difficulties with the bat this year behind him (which are both big assumptions, to be fair), he would give us a right-handed power bat that Tracy could use to spell Helton or Stewart if he wanted to play MATCHUPZ. Plus, given the amount of catching depth we have in the system, we could possibly afford to have Iannetta see more time at the corners while Olivo and Philips/McKenry man the backstop next season.
What does the Row think? Is this a completely terrible idea that would ruin Iannetta’s value as a catcher? Or something worth considering?
I'm a believer that Iannetta needs to stay at catcher
I’m not sure if his bat plays at a corner, even assuming he can play either position defensively which is a big leap of faith. If Iannetta can finally put it together he offers a lot of value behind the plate but he’d just be average offensively at the corners.
I wouldn’t really mind Olivo coming back next year if the price is right ($2-$2.5M), otherwise I’d probably just roll the dice with CDI with homegrown backups.
Olivo has a $2.5M team option for 2011.
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Well things have changed some since the early days, but there's still a thread of character and tradition that runs true from one generation to the next. You can see it in the way folks out here set a horse; you can hear it in the way they talk. And when the work's all done, there's nothing they like better than to get together at the one room schoolhouse under the red wall for another down home, homegrown, Western Saturday night.
But he likes it here
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Would he get more money elsewhere?
His wRC+ is actually 4 points lower this year than last.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I have no idea how much that url got in there
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Iannetta's power from the right side makes him an interesting corner prospect.
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The big question is Stewart
He definitely regressed in terms of consistency this year….I’d like to see him return and give him another full season.
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He definitely regressed in terms of consistency this year
Not sure it’s a regression as much as a lack of progression. He’s always been scary streaky
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 16, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
His average is up nearly 50 points...
Strike outs and power about the same though… Just not crippling slumps like last year…
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 16, 2010 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's not forget
Melvin also brought that under-rated “tiger-claw” hi-five move. You just can’t quantify those kinds of intangibles.
by Jason Wells on Sep 16, 2010 5:43 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Mora is a very special player
I’ll tell you this, this is a man who – when he steps up to the plate – will give you a professional at bat – I guarantee you that.
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very proud of Mora...
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by HeltonsHeroes on Sep 16, 2010 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
i do like mora, don't get me wrong
but I love herrara more.
the line up with dex, ey at second, and herrera at 3rd is one of my favs, cuz you end up with herrera batting 7 or 8. That man can hit, helps turn over the order, and hardly ever has a bad at-bat. I remember FSN guys saying once Herrera will never swing until he gets at least 1 strike. I like that :) He’s not total wheels, but’s got more than Mora. I love the Defense worrying about a guy scoring from 1st. He’s also a switch hitter, putting 3 in your line-up.
let’s kick some dodger butt rox.
I love Herrera
He deff is an awesome hitter but he isn’t a base runne like EY and Dex are.
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Herrera is very, very far from an awesome hitter
by Andrew Martin on Sep 16, 2010 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
He gets on base though
LoDo Magic, Tulo's Mullet or The Ghost of Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
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he's doing it well this year
but his numbers are prime for “next season pitchers will have him figured out and he will fall like Icarus”
by Andrew Martin on Sep 17, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember FSN guys saying once Herrera will never swing until he gets at least 1 strike.
Clint Hurdle, is that you?
Honestly, the guy is a role player. There is not really one aspect of his game that is above average. Everything is really just ok. Don’t get me wrong, I have enjoyed seeing the stuff he does bring, but he isn’t the kind of starter you would want to see on a playoff team.
I disagree
I think Mora is a fine back up 3 bag on a playoff team
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by nodakroxfan on Sep 17, 2010 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions
he isn’t the kind of starter you would want to see on a playoff team.
that’s all i meant
by Andrew Martin on Sep 17, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
this
LoDo Magic, Tulo's Mullet or The Ghost of Seth Smith's beard - call it what you will but it is neither unimpressive or unsustainable!
When in doubt, pinch-run Chris Nelson!
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*Sigh* Herrera is a replacement player.
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backup 3B who can field the position well and club lefties
I hate having to platoon 3 positions (3B, 1B, LF – or RF, depending on where Cargo lands)
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