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NL West Report: All Tied Up in Knots

The Rockies are in good position if the NL West ends in a 3-way tie.

Yesterday's loss to the Dodgers hurt, but the Rockies are still very much in the wild, wild NL West.  The Padres and Giants each have 66 losses, and the Rockies are right behind with 67.  In a race that essentially amounts to a "have the least number of losses" contest, the NL West is nearly tied up.  This is significant, because Atlanta's 4-2 week has pushed the cumulative odds of the Wild Card coming out of the NL West to around 10%.  It's division or bust, and it's a three horse race.

NL West Standings

W L PCT GB Playoff odds
San Francisco 84 66 .560 0 48.02%
San Diego 83 66 .557 0.5 38.36%
Colorado 82 67 .550 1.5 24.34%
Los Angeles 73 77 .486 11 0.000000036%
Arizona 59 91 .393 25 Eliminated

(updated 9.19.2010 at 9:49 PM MDT)

Colorado has 6 of 13 remaining games at home, San Diego has 7 of 13 at home and the Giants have 6 of 12.  That's about as even as you can ask for at this point.  It may prove difficult for one of these teams, especially the Rockies, to finish ahead of both of the other contenders.  So a tie scenario can come into play.  


Two-Way Tie

We know what happens in a two-way tie.  We've been there, done that.  It should be noted though, that the host team is no longer decided by coin flip as of last season.  Instead, it is decided by head-to-head record, meaning the Rockies would host the Padres, the Padres would host the Giants, and if the Rockies/Giants have yet to be decided.

If the Rockies win this weekend's series vs. San Francisco, they win the tie-breaker.  If the Giants sweep, they win the tiebreaker outright, but if the Giants take 2 of 3 from Colorado, there would be a second tie-breaker - record vs. NL teams  This penalizes teams that do well in interleague like the Rockies.  Thus, whoever wins this weekend's series wins the right to host a play-in game should a tie atop the division develop between San Francisco and Colorado.  

The wild card here is indeed the wild card.  If Atlanta or Philadelphia fall apart and finish in a tie atop the wild card standings with two or teams in the NL West who lead the division, the National League will be disbanded.   Naw, actually, the NL West would be decided first, then the loser of the NL West play-in game (or 2nd best record of a round robin) would play Atlanta in a play-in game for the wild card.  The Braves would host the Giants and Padres for a play-in game but would have to travel to Coors Field to face the Rockies.  The Phillies would host the Giants and Rockies but go on the road vs San Diego.

So just for fun, what would happen if the Rockies, Giants and Padres finished the season with a three-way tie?

 

Three-Way Tie

In past seasons, the Rockies would be in a disadvantage, but it is quite different this season, as record vs. the other two tied teams is a tie-breaker.  The Rockies are in the best position by virtue of their 20-13 against the Giants and Padres, which clinches the best record among the three teams against the other two teams.  That allows the Rockies the choice to be Team A, Team B or Team C in an altered round robin.  They would absolutely not choose Team B, as it is the least leveraged position.

  • Team A:  Would host Club B on Monday, October 4, the day after the Rockies close the regular season in St. Louis.  If Club A wins, they would host Club C, with the victor being crowned the NL West champion.  Objective:  Win two home games.
  • Team B:  Visits Club A Monday, October 4.  If they win, they host a one-game playoff with Club C at home with the division on the line.  Objective:  Win one road game, then one home game.
  • Team C:  Will play one road game against the winner of the October 4 game.  Objective:  Win one road game.
The Giants have the worst record against the remaining two teams, so they would likely end up as Team B, the most disadvantaged position; they would have to win a road game AND a home game to win the division.  If the Braves hold onto the wild card, there's a lot riding on those two games.

So let's imagine the NL West ends in a three-way tie.  The Rockies would choose between winning one home game each vs the Padres AND Giants or one road game at AT&T Park or at Petco Park.  It is a fascinating scenario.  Choose between beating both teams at home, or one team on the road without the power to choose who.  Interesting....but not interesting enough....


Four-Way Tie

  • The Rockies would have be swept by Arizona, Los Angeles and St. Louis, while sweeping San Francisco to finish 3-10.  
  • The Dodgers would have to sweep San Diego, Colorado and Arizona twice to close out 12-0.  
  • The Giants would have to be swept by Colorado, Chicago and Arizona, then win one game in their last three against San Diego to end their season on a 1-11 note.
  • The Padres would need to suffer a second 10-game losing streak by being swept by Chicago, Los Angeles and Cincinnati before forcing a tie by winning 2 of 3 in San Francisco in the season's last series to finish 2-11.
I won't even go into four-team tiebreakers or four team plus wild card since is it essentially impossible to occur.  If we assume each game is a coin flip (forcing all teams to be .500 talent, obviously not true), that gives the this 4-way tie scenario a 3.637978807091713x10^(-8) % chance of happening and a 90% chance it will be rendered obsolete tomorrow.  So it it likely? No.  Fun? Absotively posilutely!

 

Team capsules after the jump.

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NL West Report

All playoff chances are taken from Baseball Prospectus.


Arizona (59-91, 5th, L3, 25 GB)

Last Week: 2-4. 2-2 @ Reds.  0-3 @ Pirates.  The Pirates finished off a sweep against Arizona yesterday on "Talk Like a Pirate Day," meaning Arizona will have to go 4-8 the rest of the way to avoid their second 100-loss season.  If they go 6-6, they would tie their 1998 expansion team for the second most losses in franchise history.

You Should Know:  At the beginning of September, Barry Enright was 6-2 with a 2.45 ERA through twelve starts.  He now sits at 6-5 with a 3.87 ERA after allowing 17 ER in just 12.2 ER over his last three starts.  He still won't lose his rotation spot, not that there seemed to be any reason to yank a young pitcher under those circumstances.

Divisional Change:  Lost 1.5 games in the division.

Playoff Chances:  Mathematically eliminated.  

This Week:  3 game home series vs. Rockies.  3 game home series vs. Dodgers.

News:  Tom Krasovic reports that Arizona hopes to have their next GM named tomorrow.  It seems that Kevin Towers is favored at this point.  If Towers gets the job, it could be a bitter appointment for both the Dodgers and Padres, according to Ken Rosenthal.  He points to prospective Dodgers buyer Dennis Gilbert being a fan of Towers, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a Dodger fan who wouldn't willingly trade Ned Colletti for Kevin Towers.  More on that later.

It wouldn't be bad for just the Padres or Dodgers either, as Rosenthal adds interim manager Kirk Gibson to the mix of those who might not want Towers in Arizona.  Rosenthal suggests that Padres hitting coach Randy Ready might be added to the list of prospective manager candidates

Former D-backs manager Bob Melvin will be interviewing to replace Lou Piniella as manager of the Chicago Cubs, according to Tim Kurkjian.

Dan Hudson

#41 / Pitcher / Arizona Diamondbacks

6-3

225

R

R

Mar 09, 1987

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Dan Hudson 6-1 10 10 0 0 0 0 71.0 49 13 13 7 14 65 1.65 .89

Jim McLennan analyzes Arizona's young trio in the rotation from three ways, pumping up optimism for a struggling team.  Daniel Hudson, Ian Kennedy and Barry Enright could be fixtures in Arizona.   Or at least as much as a "fixture" can be these days.  McLennan notes that Enright comes with a distinct Yumeiro Petit-type risk.

Speaking of Hudson, reports that Hudson could have been a Brewer if Milwaukee accepted him in a one-for-one trade for Prince Fielder.  I'm still not so sure that I would do that now.

Chase Gharrity at Baseball Prospectus uses SABR to explain why Arizona would be wise to add Randy Choate and Carlos Villanueva to their bullpen next season.

Transactions:  Called up C Konrad Schmidt, then DFAed and outrighted RHP Cesar Valdez.

Injuries:  Justin Upton has sat out four consecutive games and has started just two games since August 30 with lingering shoulder irritation. Brandon Webb is still hoping to return to the big league mound this month.

Arizona Diamondbacks Injuries

Questionable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Justin Upton shoulder 09/19/2010

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Brandon Webb shoulder 03/26/2010
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Los Angeles (73-77, 4th, W1, 11.0 GB)

Last Week:  2-5.  1-2 @ Giants.  0-2 vs. Rockies.

Playoff Chances:  0.000000036%

You Should Know:  Casey Blake is 3-for-his-last-38 with 20 strikeouts. With all the talk on the failed Dotel trade, some light has been cast on the Blake-for-Carlos Santana deal.  

Divisional Change: Lost one game in the division.

This Week:  3 game home series vs. Padres.  3 game road series @ Diamondbacks.

News:  In case you didn't hear, Joe Torre has stepped down as manager of the Dodgers.  Hitting coach Don Mattingly will be the manager and has a contract through 2013, which qualifies as a bit of an upset, given the prevailing opinion two days prior had Tim Wallach as the favorite.  But that just proves the testament of the Dodgers ability to keep this all under wraps, considering that when he was hired as hitting coach before the season, Mattingly signed a contract stating he would be named manager if Torre stepped down.  This was set in stone well before the double-mound visit gaffe.

MLB Trade Rumors has multiple reactions to the move, and naturally, TrueBlueLA voiced their opinions.  As for Torre, rumors abounded that he might be a fit to manage at Citi Field, but Torre called rumors about the Mets "irresponsible."

In the past, Torre has allowed a player to manage the last game of the season, and he's doubling down with that technique in 2010.  Brad Ausmus will manage the second-to-last game of the season, in Los Angeles vs. Arizona, presumably to allow Torre to manage the last game of the season.  He will also allow a "younger" player to manage another game in the next two weeks.  Given the fact that Ausmus is the oldest player on the team, that doesn't really narrow anything down.

Brad Ausmus

#12 / Catcher / Los Angeles Dodgers

5-11

190

R

R

Apr 14, 1969

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2010 - Brad Ausmus 20 59 4 12 1 0 0 2 7 15 0 0 .203 .299 .220

Ned Colletti is going to "revamp" the roster this offseason according to Tony Jackson at ESPNLA. MLB beat reporter Ken Gurnick reports Colletti is planning no radical changes.  So you know, well, whatever.  MLBTR has several links discussing the course of the Dodgers this offseason.

One move that might not end up happening is moving Matt Kemp.  Ken Davidoff of Newsday believes Mattingly might reach Kemp better than the 70-year-old Torre.

After his walkoff single yesterday, Rockies fans don't need to be reminded that AJ Ellis is hitting well.  Ellis is playing himself into a bigger role in 2011.

MLBTR looks at 35-year-old Hiroki Kuroda as he enters free agency this offseason.  It is unlikely he fits into the Dodgers' plans given budget constraints.

On the morning of the Torre announcement, TrueBlueLA examined the public perception of owner Frank McCourt.

Transactions:  Traded RHP Octavio Dotel to the Rockies for a PTBNL, probably a low lovel low ceiling type "prospect."  Naturally, this means Ned Colletti traded James McDonald, who has been fantastic for Pittsburgh, and top OF prospect Andrew Lambo for 20 IP of Dotel and a PTBNL.  This will go as one of the worst trades of the Colletti era, which wasn't surprising when it went down.  Dotel slammed it in Dodgerfan's face when he struck out Casey Blake on three fastballs in his Rockies debut yesterday

Injuries:   Scott Podsednik is day-to-day and might be out for the season with plantar fasciitis.

Los Angeles Dodgers Injuries

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Travis Schlichting shoulder 08/22/2010

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Russell Martin shoulder 08/04/2010

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San Diego (83-66, 2nd, L1, 0.5 GB Div, 2.5 GB WC)

Last Week: 3-4.  2-1 @ Rockies.  1-3 @ Cardinals.  3-4 just doesn't cut it at this point in the season, even if two came against the team on your heels.

Playoff Chances:  38.36% playoffs (-8.19% Last 7).   34.44% division (+0.39% Last 7).   3.92% wild card (-8.59% last week).  

Divisional Change:  Fell into second place one half game behind San Francisco.

You Should Know:  Mat Latos allowed 26 ER from May 1-Sept 7.  In his last two starts, he allowed 13 ER in just 5.1 IP.  If you're postulating that strange rest patterns are to blame, both came on 4 days rest.  He has pitched on 4 days rest in 15 of 28 starts.

This Week:  3 game road series @ Dodgers.  3 game home series vs. Reds.

News:  If you're a transactions nerd (ATTN: WolfMarauder) you'll enjoy this story.  On September 1, RHP Cesar Carillo was DFAed by the Padres.  Eight days later, the Phillies claimed him off waivers, only to DFA him three days later in favor of SS Brian Bocock.  The Padres wasted no time, claiming Carillo back three days later.  Then, when needing a roster spot to activate RHP Chris Young from the 60-day DL, the Padres once again DFAed Carillo Saturday.  So in little over two weeks, Carillo has been DFAed three times and claimed twice.  I think his official photo is fitting.

Cesar Carrillo

#0 / Pitcher / San Diego Padres

6-3

175

R

R

Apr 29, 1984

Heath Bell is gaining confidence in his curveball.  That's all he needs is more confidence.
Luke Gregerson tied the MLB record for holds, which is noteworthy I guess, but not ultimately telling.
In a span of three pitches, Tim Stauffer was hit by a batted ball twice Thursday.
If you've ever been interested in the intimate inner workings of a MLB trade, check out this detailed log of the Miguel Tejada trade with information directly from Jed Hoyer.

Transactions:   DFAed and released RHP Craig Italiano.

Injuries:  Activated Tony Gwynn from the 15-day DL.  Activated Chris Young from the 60-day DL. 

San Diego Padres Injuries

15-Day

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Kyle Blanks elbow 05/18/2010

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San Francisco (84-66, 1st, W1)

Last Week: 3-3.  2-1 @ Dodgers.  1-2 vs. Brewers.  Thank you Milwaukee.

Playoff Chances:  48.02% playoffs (-7.58% Last 7).   42.70% (+1.84% Last 7) division, 3.46% wild card (-9.44% Last 7). 

You Should Know:  

Divisional Change:  Took a 0.5 game lead in the division.  The Padres and Giants have 66 losses and the Rockies 67, so it is a tenuous lead at best.

This Week:  3 game road series @ Cubs.  3 game road series @ Rockies.  The Giants are 39-36 on the road, so they won't be scared by a road trip.  But the Cubs and Rockies are a combined 24-8 in September.

News:  Pablo Sandoval has regressed heavily this season, and the Giants are wondering what they really have, the All-Star caliber player (and .396 wOBA) of 2009, or the .310 wOBA 2010 player, which is worse than Clint Barmes last year.  McCovey Chronicles hashes out the Panda situation, with the community completely split on "benching him" or "playing him."

Pablo Sandoval

#48 / Third Base / San Francisco Giants

5-11

245

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Aug 11, 1986

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2010 - Pablo Sandoval 141 535 59 141 32 3 12 60 44 78 3 2 .264 .318 .402
Bruce Bochy thinks Andres Torres could return this weekend.  He is being too optimistic, in my opinion, but I wouldn't rule out Torres returning in the last week of the season.
On the same day the Rockies' 1st round pick Kyle Parker was busy getting pinned by 300 pound linemen, the Giants' 1st round pick Gary Brown visited the team at AT&T Park.

Transactions:   None.

Injuries:   No news.

San Francisco Giants Injuries

60 Day DL / Out for the season

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Andres Torres appendix 09/12/2010
Poll
In the case of the three-way tie, which option would you want the Rockies to choose?
Team A: Play the Padres at Coors Field. After winning, play the Giants at Coors Field. Must win TWO home games
157 votes
Team C: Play the winner of a Giants/Padres game (at PetCo Park) on the road. Must win ONE road game.
113 votes

270 votes | Poll has closed

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nice article

one correction…if we win 2 out of 3 against SF we win the season series 10-8…so no tie breaker needed

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 20, 2010 11:22 AM MDT reply actions  

i knew id reverse something somewhere

If the GIANTS win two in that series, it will push the second tie breaker, not the ROCKIES winning two. So essentially, whoever wins this series this weekend wins the tie breaker. I like that better.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 11:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Re: poll question

I meant to add this but forgot. For most teams, winning two consecutive games at home is less likely than one road game. But as we know, the Rockies are no ordinary team.

If the Rockies home/road record is the only variable in play (it obviously is not), the probability of winning consecutive home games is about 46.2%. Winning one road game: 41.9%.

Then consider the opponents would be good road teams and better than average overall. It makes it interesting

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 11:23 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

The Dodgers 0.000000036% playoff odds are pretty funny

Although I’m guessing they would have officially been eliminated if we had beat them yesterday.

/sigh

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 20, 2010 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

yes, they would have

Either giants win, padres win OR dodgers loss tomorrow will officially eliminate them.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 11:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

lets hope it doesn't happen tomorrow then

Giants lose to the Cubs and Dogs beat the Pads would be nice

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 20, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

if the Rockies win tomorrow, it wouldnt eliminate the Dodgers, but it would be close

Then, Los Angeles would have to hope the Rockies win the division, while Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego and Atlanta or Philadelphia finish in a four way tie for the wild card. That would be their last hope.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 12:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

and that 4 way tie couldn't even happen

because the Braves and Phillies can’t lose 77 games lol

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 20, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

either of them*

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 20, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

but hey

if the Dodgers Padres and Giants want to all end in a 3 way tie for 2nd place and end up like 6 or more games behind us then hey by all means do so

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."

by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 20, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

indeed

So its a race to eliminate Los Angeles. Whoever wins first between the Padres, Giants and Rockies get the honor

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty crazy stuff

Personally, I would rather play two home games than one road game. The way we’ve played on the road overall this season, I would take our chances at Coorz. Plus, those two games could be two of the sickest home games EVER.

I’m still at a loss for how the Rockies are still in this thing after so many gut-wrenching losses. But here we are….season to remember.

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by Hollidayrain on Sep 20, 2010 12:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Never considered it on a financial route, but for that reason it would be the most likely for the Rockies.

I voted for the one away game, because I like the thought of two teams beating up on one another first, plus they likely use up their ace.

On the other hand the Rockies never feel like they are out of home games, so even if we are down 9 they are going to give it a shot (Just hope they have not used up all the pitching by then).

by CORockFaithful on Sep 20, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

becuase we wouldn't get to choose where we play for the roadie

and the last thing I want is an extra game in AT&T

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by Muzia on Sep 20, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

no argument from me on that point

Though its worth noting that the giants/padres game would be at petco, giving a marginally better probability that we would face San Diego.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Perhaps, but I wouldn't want to have to depend on SD or SF for anything, ever

Certainly not anything that would benefit our ballclub.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 20, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's seriously like having back to back Game 7's at home....in my opinion, it's just about the sickest thing that could possibly happen in baseball

And I don’t like the thought of being a visiting team in frenzied ballpark. Home teams have had an INCREDIBLE record in tiebreaker games recently. Look at the crazy wins Minny pulled off last season and Colorado in 2007. It’s a marked disadvantage to be the away team, especially in games of such magnitude. That, after all, is why they make such a big deal out of home field advantage in the playoffs.

The one outstanding situation I can think of when playing two home games could be a disadvantage is the case in which we are forced to start Francis/Rogers in one of those games. In that case, it might be worth playing the game on the road just to get DLR, Jho or U pitching.

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by Hollidayrain on Sep 20, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet, the home team has only won 54.6% of playoff games (54.1% in regular season)

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 22, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Heh, I picked the two home games

Just because I want the shot to actually attend those games. Would definitely be a greater memory than game 163 in 2007!

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 20, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, wow.

You’re so right. That would be cRazy, jest cRazy.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 20, 2010 3:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fun to think about

Tough tough tough call. I think you have to take 2 home games, although you would have to take a look at the pitching matchups wouldn’t you?

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by waterboy31321 on Sep 20, 2010 12:40 PM MDT reply actions  

yes

As it stacks up, I am pretty sure Jimenez and Chacin would be unavailable for either game. De la Rosa could go one, but then who else? And then DLR might not be available for the NLDS until at least Game 3.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 12:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think it's a bad proposition to take the harder path just to set your rotation up the way you want

It won’t matter who’s lined up to pitch NLDS Game 1 if we don’t get there.

I understand whether it’s close, whether to take Option A or Option C. But I’m pretty sure that basing the decision on who would start a 2nd home game is probably not optimal, unless the entire bullpen is wrecked after Game 162 and needs a complete day off.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 20, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree with you on not looking too far ahead

But pitching matchips might still dictate a decision. Since the games occur right after the season ends, some pitchers would be unavailable. What if you were looking at Francis/Lincecum and Hammel/Latos as option A or Chris Young/de la Rosa as Option C? Obviously, it woulddby shake that way exactly. But its another wrinkle.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 2:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup, it's another wrinkle, but in truth...

….each team’s entire pitching staff will be available for each game (a la 1995 Mariners).

It’s fun to think about. But also, seeing how teams can adjust their rotations at the last minute, I could see Bork or Bud Black waiting to see which option we take, and then adjust their rotation.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 20, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

crazy crazy stuff

I would absolutely without a doubt not worry about the postseason rotation though. You gotta make it there first. Then, anything can happen. Nice article Andrew.

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by HeltonsHeroes on Sep 20, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or Just go one game on the road with

UBBALDO ON THE MOUND

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by waterboy31321 on Sep 21, 2010 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ubaldo is in line to pitch the Saturday prior

He would be unavailable on 3 days rest.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 21, 2010 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe pitched Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS on two days rest and did just fine

I think in an elimination game all the rules about days rest go out the window. In Game 7, 163, (and maybe even Game 164 in this case) everybody should be available; maybe not for 100 pitches but as many innings as possible.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 21, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly. In 1995, Randy Johnson picked up the win in extra innings

the day after pitching a complete game.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 21, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

even though we are bad on the road....

I like the fact that we can play just one game, sounds kind of rough to try and “sweep” a 2 game series. I also believe being at Petco or ATT would be a help for the pitching staff.

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by Colsportsfan on Sep 20, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I find it very weird that group C only gets to play 1 game....

kind of weird and not an even set up for the “3-way” tie scenario

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by Colsportsfan on Sep 20, 2010 4:29 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd think that would be the best choice

Teams A or B have to win two games to get to playoffs, Team C only has to win one.

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by kishi on Sep 20, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think it is actually an ingeniusly fair set up

If it were even, it would be a round robin tourney with a high risk of all three teams going 1-1. This setup rewards the team who seems superior to the other two clubs with a choice. The fact that there are many supporters for both Team A and Team C options speak to how much of a tossup they are. It just depends on your individual team, which is why the choice is a reward to the top team in head to head.

The leftovers are left for the second best team, and the team that didn’t prove to be at the same level as the other two head to head gets the most disadvantaged position, but only slightly so.

For such a convoluted scenario, it does a great job of rewarding teams for head to head play while clearly resolving the tie in just three games.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 6:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

two games

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by Kris Hansen on Sep 20, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

thats what i meant

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 20, 2010 8:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Team C, only because there’s a very good chance it would be at PetCo and the Rockies tend to mash there despite their other road problems.

by UZ on Sep 20, 2010 4:37 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't like this "very good" chance

If SF beats SD, we could be absolutely hosed.

And, besides, if we choose the road game, with our home record, the entire club, front office, Tracy, etc., will get absolutely raked for choosing to play on the road when they don’t have to.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 20, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Something tells me they’ll get raked no matter what happens if the result is an L.

by UZ on Sep 20, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

very true

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by waterboy31321 on Sep 21, 2010 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

So if you're in a possible no-win situation, take the road that may still benefit

Take the two home games.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 21, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted team C

Just because I always feel better about getting a single win, than about getting 2 in a row.

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by Arimaris on Sep 20, 2010 4:40 PM MDT reply actions  

From a financial perspective this is a no brainer

the revenue from two extra “sick” play-in games will make the decision easy for the FO. It is one of those cases where the financial interests of the team are an easy sell to the fans who would want the games played at home anyway. I still think that one away game is better odds than two home games, but I don’t think that it is significantly better to override the financial and fan interest angles.

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by Rock Oax on Sep 20, 2010 6:06 PM MDT reply actions  

OK, I have an important question

Will any of these games be played on Oct 5? My brilliant plan to watch the playoffs entails traveling to Panama, where I can watch MLB.tv in the post season with no blackouts. The only problem with this plan is that I will be on an airplane most of the day on Oct 5.
What?! you say the games will be on TV and that buying a TV and cable is cheaper than flying to Panama!? Thanks for telling me that now!!!
So, will the second game be played on Oct 5? If so I have to root against any scenario that includes that game

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by Rock Oax on Sep 20, 2010 7:29 PM MDT reply actions  

If a three-way tie scenario occurs, the first game usually is on Monday, with the second game on Tuesday.

That would have to happen if the team wins the first game and have to travel to another city to play the second game.

by CM85 on Sep 20, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chacin

Would start the first (or only) one of these games. I like that. I vote C.

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Sep 20, 2010 8:29 PM MDT reply actions  

So do the Rangers, Indians, and Braves.

Probably more, too.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 21, 2010 3:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i wondered if anyone would click that link

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 21, 2010 6:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are wrong about the Giants-Rockies tie-breaker

If the Giants win 2 of 3, thus ending the season series, 9-9, the next tie breaker is divisional record, not NL record. The Rockies have a comfortable lead over the Giants in that one, 36-27 vs. 32-31.

So, in all likelihood, the Giants have to sweep the Rockies to get to host a tie-breaker. And if the Giants sweep, there probably won’t be a tie-breaker.

by jfletcher on Sep 21, 2010 2:31 PM MDT reply actions  

ill have to double check my source

An mlb.com story I used said NL record. Ill verify tonight and edit if need be.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 21, 2010 6:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Those poll results are shocking to me. Obviously you'd want to only have to win one game, Coors or no.

No home-field advantage is that big to want to play another game.

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 22, 2010 9:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Of course, if the extra revenue is that important, then two home games could make sense.

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 22, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

As I calculated, if the Rockies home/road spltis are accurate of what to expect

They would actually have a better chance to win two home games. But the likelihood of that home field advantage holding in the playoffs is pretty suspect.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 25, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

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