Fall 2010: Top 30 PuRPs Polling Thread
Time once again for the Purple Row Prospects (PuRPs) poll. List your top 30 Rockies prospects (those players in the system that haven't exhausted their Rookie of the Year eligibility) in order.
Scoring is done in reverse order of placement, 30 points for a first place vote, 29 for a second, etc... To avoid vanity picks manipulating the scoring, players only get partial credit until they appear on five ballots (the total points will be multiplied by .2 if they're on just one ballot, .4 if on two, etc...)
Partial ballots aren't going to be accepted, so if you're having trouble remembering prospects, I encourage you to use this site's resources. The discussion in the following threads should be a helpful starting point:
Also, I'd be happy to answer questions about individual prospects in the Pebble Reports or on Twitter (@KendallRocksOn) and I know that David Hood does as well (@davidchood). Please do not ask questions about prospects in this thread. General commentary about individual ballots (as long as it's following TOS guidelines and is kept civil) is acceptable.
At this time, the plan is for polling to be kept open through Monday (Sept 6th) and close at midnight, MDT, however we could extend it another day given that the Labor Day weekend might keep potential voters away.
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I have a good draft ready to go.
I just need to sleep on it a bit. I got to tell you, that 4-20 is a jumbled mess of interchangeable parts.
I was looking at it last week and there are so many different ways you could go with those spots when you take into account potential vs. ready to be called up vs. raw talent
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
For me the interchangeable prospects start at #12
I think the top 11 are clearly a step above and have fewer question marks surrounding them.
Should we rank the players more by ready to be called up or raw talent that's not yet polished
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
That is your decision.
Most people will tell you that talent will trump readyness, but you should also take into account readyness, for example, the difference between Gomez and Nelson.
That's up to you,
I rank them by a combination of potential impact and their likelihood to make a positive contribution, weighing potential a bit heavier. So some players with a lot of potential might not make my list if their likelihood of making the majors seems small to me, whereas a handful of players that aren’t likely to be starters will because I see them as having a fairly high likelihood of contributing in bench or bullpen roles.
All a matter of personal preference
Now, I do think it’s a little ludicrous to rank someone like Matt Miller ahead of somebody like Rafael Ortega, because there you’re ranking an MLB-ready bench bat ahead of a potential star (even if he is far away from the majors.) But for the more marginal talents in the system, I often do take into account how close they are to the majors.
I don't have Miller anywhere near Ortega...
… but there are probably some steps on my list you will find ludicrous, because I do place some weight on level closeness, but not nearly as much as I did last time. Players like McKenry, Deduno and Roe dropped significantly from April to now as I refined my method.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I must have missed
this Pebble Report from 13months ago. You’ve been on Ortega’s trail for a very long time.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
He was definitely the most intriguing position player for me coming out of the DSL in 2009
Obviously this season has justified that and actually built on what those numbers were showing. It’s safe to say that the kid simply has an outstanding hit for contact tool at this point, some plate discipline and some speed, those traits already give him a pretty significant floor. It’s just a question of where his ceiling his at this point.
Who on this year's team should we look forward to in Casper?
Jayson Aquino definitely had a good season. It seems that league leans pretty heavily towards pitchers statistically, but no one’s numbers really stand out with the bat
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Aquino's certainly the most intriguing pitcher
and also Raul Hernandez (not to be confused with Raul Fernandez, who is also on the team) among the pitchers.
Rosell Herrera really was looking very sharp prior to the DSL All-Star break, and he’s been pretty terrible since. I’m not sure what exactly happened, but he’s still making good contact (only 11 K’s in 99 post ASB AB’s) just a low BABIP and he still has the tools that made him a bonus baby. I think he might just be getting used to a professional grind.
Jose Briceno’s sort of the opposite, he looked bad before the ASB, really heated up after it. Anything over a .700 OPS is good for a player that’s 18 or younger there. Briceno strikes out a little much for my liking at right under 20% of the time, but not egregiously so like Yan or a couple other players.
I think for now, those two are the position players most on my radar, Herrera will likely be in my top 30. Aquino may just miss it.
I nearly mentioned Hernandez as well
I know Herrera was the big fish from last year’s signings, but it’s hard for me to rate him top 30 when he’s struggling something fierce so far from the big leagues. (I’m also highly doubtful that he or Aquino will get 5 votes)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I am Not..
writing a Fanpost for Scott Beerer this time.
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by Charlie77 on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
He and a couple others on my former list, including Kiel Roling, are in trouble.
Beerer has had a much better end to the season than he showed through the first 75% of it, but he’s not got much else going for him right now, especially now that we have so many youngsters showing up on the radar.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
So, I think EY will retain his rookie status next year
So, I think he is still eligible for this list. At least, that is how I understand the rules.
Actually, I'm not sure
I’m having a hard time figuring out the specifics of rookie eligibility. EY had 38 days on the big league roster up to Sept. 1st. 45 would have made him ineligible. However, time spent on the roster in September does not count (from what I have read). However, he is at 118 AB pre September, but he has enough to make him ineligible in Septembers. The question is, do AB’s during September count?
yes, AB's or IP in Sep. count, just not the days on the roster
That’s why it gets confusing. So EY2’s not eligible, but Matt Reynolds is. I’m pretty sure Reynolds and Nelson are the only two currently on the active roster that have not exhausted their eligibility.
Ok, for everyone's FYI
Players on the last Purp list who no longer qualify are…
Chacin, Rodgers, Balcom-Miller, and Eric young jr.
Just a couple key Casper names
Tago
Swanner
Dickerson
Ortega
Campos
I’d say those are probably the three that deserve near-automatic inclusion without much consideration (though, I fully understand that a guy like Weiser or Riordan will top most of those guys on a lot of ballots simply because they’ve ‘done it at a higher level.’ I disagree with that premise, but it’s your call).
Casteel
Mejias
Barraza
Adames
Those are probably bubble guys.
Does anyone have a scouting report on Campos.
I don’t know much about the kid, other than he is doing well. Out of those guys, Swanner is the only one I know who will not make the list.
A lot of the young Latin players don't start getting a lot of scouting buzz until after they make it out of the short season levels.
One of the reasons it’s so nice to have so many posters here that have first hand experience with the Ghosts.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
i might on Tuesday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 12:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
I’d say Swanner should be a lock. He’s 18 and is hitting the hell out of older pitching, using a wood bat regularly for the first time in his life. His homers aren’t flukes, either. He’s launching the ball.
Campos is a young pitcher without the buzz from Latin America (as is our philosophy). Fastball has some life and he’s got a good slider that I’ve seen induce a fair number of groundouts.
He started a touch slow, but has really come on in the last month and he is in the running for top pitcher honors in the PIO. He’s 19, but he’s probably filled out as far as projectability goes. His ERA is a full run lower than his nearest competition in the PIO and he’s among the younger pitchers there, if that gives you any indication of his success.
Swanner definitely deserves a slot
Especially since the last five spots are usually pretty vanilla.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Compelling argument
I’m not quite sure yet though. My list is still taking shape, more or less. I’m just not sure what to make of him yet. He seems to be using this season as BP more than anything. Was his draft drop due to signability only, or where there other reasons?
i believe he was considered a top four round talent
and yes
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 12:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is he a catcher who will stay a catcher
Or does he look like someone who will eventually be moved somewhere else?
Oh, and sorry I have turned this into a discussion thread. My bad.
Here's Andy Seiler's take on him:
This is where Colorado was just taking a shot at a player most teams deemed unsignable in his talent range, which was 10-12 rounds higher. With an above-average bat and arm, he’s a quality catcher, but a strong college commitment is hard to buy out, so while I think this was a great pick for talent, I highly doubt he will sign, though he might be a backup for someone like Parker or Tago not signing.
I'm more interested to know about Campos
Is he more of a hard-thrower, or more polish than raw stuff? I tend to think the former, but given his peripherals I do have questions about this.
Yes.
He’s been hurt all year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
It's going to be different making a list now...
… especially trying to rank players like Garner and Miller now that we have to consider both as potential departures from the organization this season.
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I still rank Miller higher than most on the blog...
… because I factor in their closeness to making an MLB impact in moreso than others. Miller is not likely to make a bigger MLB impact than other outfielders, but they’re farther down in the system.
Both Miller and Garner will lose value in this list for me because of their MiLB free agency eligibility.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
You guys can also use Project Libra to help remember who is where.
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Guess I will break the ice here
1. Wilin Rosario, C
2. Tyler Matzek, LHP
3. Christian Friedrich LHP
4. Chris Nelson SS
5. Nolan Arenado, 3B
6. Kyle Parker OF
7. Rex Brothers LHP
8. Peter Tago RHP
9. Rafael Ortega OF
10. Hector Gomez SS
11. Chad Bettis RHP
12. Juan Nicasio RHP
13. Josh Slaats RHP
14. Eliezer Mesa OF
15. Tim Wheeler OF
16. Thomas Field 2b
17. Charlie Blackmon OF
18. Michael McKenry C
19. Matt Reynolds LHP
20. Jordan Pacheco C
21. Albert Campos RHP# Ben Paulsen
22. Corey Dickerson OF
23. Josh Rutledge SS
24. Delta Cleary OF
25. Will Swanner C
26. Casey Weathers RHP
27. Ben Paulsen 1b
28. Wes Musick LHP
29. Joe Sanders 1b
30. Parker Frazier RHP
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Not sure how Ben Paulsen ended up next to Campos
he shouldn’t be there, should be at 27.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Some interesting names there, particularly Rutledge and Sanders.
Your inclusion of Slaats up there also interests me. He’s currently off my list, but very close to it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Can't ignore Slaats Strikeout numbers right now
and he has the scouting report to back it. He’s actually one of my favorites. Rutledge and Sanders could go either way, not really high on either of them, but both are young, and are “tools” guys. Sanders despite his bad seasons could be an Overbay type if the stars align, and Rutledge could be a Barmes type if things go right as well. That has value.
Clint Barmes is not a good hitter.
Free Chris Nelson.... again.
Slaats is definitely on my radar.
I think he wound up around #32 for me.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Slaats and Rutledge will both definitely be in my top 30
They may be the only two currently with the Dust Devils that make the cut, Josh Hungerman is sort of on the periphery of my to 30.
I may have to go look more into Rutledge.
He honestly wasn’t considered much when making my list, unlike Slaats who was one of the last cuts.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I weigh his college work at Alabama far more heavily than the 11 games
or whatever it was at Pasco before he got injured. He’s likely going to be around 20 for me.
I'll take a look at him.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Thinking about this
I haven’t even drafted a list yet. In my mind, the top three (Matzek, Rosario, Friedrich, not necessarily in that order) are fairly clear.
The next tier is fairly clear as well; I’d slot Blackmon, Brothers, Nicasio, Arenado, Bettis, Parker, Tago, and Ortega… I might throw Dickerson, Swanner, and Campos in with this group toward the back end.
Where I have trouble is with the third tier, separating out the MLB-ready marginal talents from the guys with good numbers in the low minors (but questionable tools) and from the tools guys in the low minors with questionable skills.
I had the most trouble with the "second tier"...
… though we ended up with most of the same names.
15 and lower is kind of a confusing place, though, admittedly.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not going to post mine until near the deadline, to allow for maximum refinement.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Inexperienced list
Inexperienced but I have been thinking about this for a while. I think I might have been “to far away from potential” heavy but heck it is IMO afterall. Yes the last one is hope against all odds ;)
1 Tyler Matzek, LHP
2 Christian Friedrich, LHP
3 Wilin Rosario, C
4 Hector Gomez, SS
5 Nolan Arenado, 3B
6 Peter Tago, RHP
7 Kyle Parker, OF
8 Chris Nelson, SS/2B
9 Chad Betts, RHP
10 Rafael Ortega, OF
11 Charlie Blackmon, OF
12 Tim Wheeler, OF
13 Juan Nicasio, RHP
14 Eliezer Mesa, OF
15 Jordan Pacheco, C
16 Rex Brothers, LHP
17 Casey Weathers, RHP
18 Matt Reynolds, LHP
19 Michael McKenry, C
20 Albert Campos, RHP
21 Ben Paulsen, 1B
22 Josh Slaats, RHP
23 Delta Cleary, OF
24 Thomas Field, SS
25 Corey Dickerson
26 Will Swanner, C
27 Samuel Deduno, RHP
28 Cory Riordan, RHP
29 Jared Clark, 1B
30 Greg Reynolds, RHP
you and I will have very similar lists I think
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Thanks for making me feel better
I am supposed to feel better by having a list somewhat close to Muzia’s correct?
I will be doing my first Purp list this weekend, sadly
so at least we’re in this thing together!
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Sigh
/crumples up list and starts over….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
lol
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Is Reynolds eligible?
There’s so many quirks with his service time I’m not sure he qualifies as a rookie.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't remember him pitching that much in 08
Must have blacked it out
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
That's not a bad list at all.
You should pick a new #30 though.
You have four players on your list not on mine, and amusingly, they’re all in a row.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
(Not counting G. Reynolds the ineligible)
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm guessing 22-25
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
20-23 actually.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Campos JUST missed my list.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Unlike the last list, where I was adding Scott Beerers and Andrew Johnstons at the end just to get to 30...
… this year I have about 7 guys who were snubbed from the list that were not far away from being around 25 or lower.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Sort of.
I think the lit was more top heavy at the beginning of the year, and grew thinner as it went on. This time, due to players like Chacin and Rogers leaving eligibility, plus a thick draft of upper-mid grade talent, the list has become more bottom heavy, pushing the middle of last year’s list up higher, and leaving a sea of guys right along the cusp. In cases of Campos and Slaats, I’m really not at all against them being included on peoples’ lists, and is merely an example of my bias towards closer-to-ready players (which again, I tried to cut in half this time, and think I did).
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
list*
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you think that this is due to the fact you are more knowledgable about the the farm,
or that there is more depth?
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Well, both.
I can defend my picks before just fine, but I had different standards then. it’s not really knowledge of the farm itself that’s increased in me, but rather a rearrangement of what I think I should consider to be valuable. There hasn’t been a lot of change in the uppermost tiers for me, but there’s been a ton of change at the end.
The end of the list is trickiest to balance between valuable potential and valuable closeness. If I were arranging the list based solely on the talent I felt they had, things would be a LOT different.
Ultimately, I think the very top of our farm is thinner than it was, but the upper middle class (the 20-40ish range) is much better.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
BUGGER
I cannot believe I screwed this simple freaking process up. Stupid, stupid stupid
/goes to get a beer /shotguns it/ returns to my office
Sorry about that fellows, wasn’t thinking. Please replace #30 with Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP
I approve of this choice
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by Charlie77 on Sep 3, 2010 6:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Rookie qualifications, for clarification
are 130 at bats, 50 IP, or 45 days on an MLB roster. September service time does not count toward rookie qualifications, but September at bats and innings do.
But to clarify, September service time DOES still count towards your ST clock.
A bunch of people recently have been seeming to think that time as a September callup doesn’t count towards any sort of service time.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 3, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Right
Actually service time rarely is a factor in the rookie qualifications, though theoretically a player could be on the MLB active roster for 45 days and not get 130 AB or 50 IP, but it rarely happens if the guy is starting on a regular basis.
Here are mine
Weighted for minor league performance over reputation/publiclity, as I like to do. Therefore I don’t know what to do with guys like Parker & Wilson who aren’t really playing yet. I just stick them in theresomewhere.
1. T. Matzek
2. C. Nelson
3. N. Arenado
4. R. Ortega
5. J. Pacheco
6. W. Rosario (doubts about serious injury)
7. C. Dickerson
8. C. Bettis
9. K. Parker
10. T. Field
11. C. Friedrich (did not have a good year)
12. E. Mesa
13. H. Gomez
14. R. Brothers
15. C. Weathers
16. W. Swanner
17. B. Tanos
18. C. Laurent
19. J. Slaats
20. B. Paulsen
21. B. Billings (as a reliever)
22. J. Cesario
23. A Jorgensen
24. P. Tago
25. A. Nina
26. J. Clark
27. T. Gagnon
28. R. Wilson
29. M. Miller (just in case he catches on with another team & becomes a ML player)
30. C. Garner (ditto)
Mediocrity sucks
Purely preliminary, please criticize.
Top Prospect
1. Tyler Matzek, LHP
Top Tier
2. Wilin Rosario C
3. Christian Friedrich, LHP
2nd Tier
4. Nolan Arenado, 3B
5. Chad Bettis, RHP
6. Peter Tago RHP
7. Chris Nelson IF
8. Kyle Parker OF
3rd tier
9. Charles Blackmon, OF
10. Rex Brothers, LHP
11. Tim Wheeler, OF
12. Rafael Ortega, OF
13. Alberto Campos, RHP
14. Juan Nicasio, RHP
15. Cole Garner, OF
16. Jordan Pacheco, C
17. Matt Reynolds, LHP
18. Samuel Deduno, RHP
4th tier
19. Hector Gomez, SS
20. Thomas Field, IF
21. Eliezer Mesa, OF
22. Josh Slaats, RHP
23. Mike McKenry, C
24. Bruce Billings, RHP
25. Parker Frazier, RHP
26. Corey Dickerson, OF
Fringe
27. Wil Swanner, C
28. Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP
29. Edwar Cabrera, LHP
30. Matt Miller, OF
Missing the cut as of now
31. Ben Paulsen, 1B
32. Casey Weathers, RHP
33. Russell Wilson, IF
34. Cory Riordan, RHP
35. Cristhian Adames, IF
36. Delta Cleary, OF
37. Alving Mejias, RHP
38. Rossell Herrera, IF
39. Jayson Aquino, LHP
40. Josh Rutledge, SS
I think I’ll stop there.
Critiquing this
I see nothing too big to complain about. I think you’re underrating some of the lower-level guys with potential like Dickerson and Swanner, and overrating the higher-level guys who are likely just roleplayers (Reynolds) but overall no real quibbles.
I knew the Swanner position would draw some criticism
He definitely has a lot of potential, and yes, SSS, but he’s struck out 22 times in 58 PA. That shows me he could flame out pretty badly.
Also, who do you think is more likely to make an impact, Dickerson or Reynolds?
On second thought, the bottom of the 3rd tier and the 4th tier could be switched around a bit. Slaats will be lower and Gomez will be moved up a tier.
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I'll be redoing the list soon
There are some things I need to change, the first was a rough draft
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Hmmmm, I'm looking at other PURPS threads
A lot of prospects that had great performance completely fell off, so I’m going upside here now. Let’s see how my first works out.
1. Tyler Matzek, LHP: Walks be damned, his streaks of dominance have convinced me of this kid’s ceiling. Easy #1 for me.
2. Wilin Rosario, C: Great combination of catching tools and power bat, needs to walk more at higher levels. Injury doesn’t concern me because he has time on his hands.
3.Nolan Arenado, 3B: Best bat in the system right. Easy power that’s not even filled out yet, dominated the Sally league at 19, and doesn’t strike out.
4. Christian Friedrich, LHP: Despite bad/injury filled year, he still has the best pitch in the system IMO, and he’s shown the ability to adjust. Ranking him 4th is more of a compliment to Rosario and Arenado.
5. Kyle Parker, OF: Tough choice here, but he has the best power potential in the system and holds the athleticism to improve in the outfield.
6. Peter Tago, RHP: His scouting video looks fantastic, looks like another drop picked up by the Rockies. It’s hard to compare ceilings with pitchers and hitters, but I think Parker holds the higher ceiling here. Tago’s just less of a risk.
7. Hector Gomez, SS: He has the tools, and while injury questions arise, look what happened when Nelson put together a full season.
8. Chris Nelson, IF: More polished than Gomez easily, and could start at 2nd next year. Nelson, out of all the infield prospects (and competitors towards the 2nd base job) is the most complete player.
9. Chad Bettis, RHP: Woah. I guess Texas Tech really lost something by keeping him as a closer. He certainly has the ability to be up there in the rotation, but I’m concerned of how he does over a full season.
10. Charles Blackmon. OF: Color me a believer, I never knew what he could do when he had it altogether.
11. Rafael Ortega, OF: The kid really knows how to combine contact and speed. Once he learns extended plate discipline as he adjusts to the higher minors we’ll see his ceiling as a true leadoff hitter.
12. Tim Wheeler, OF: I think he’s underrated here, he got BABIP’d by the usually friendly California league and put up similar contact rates to Field and Paulsen. He has just as much power as each, can field and run. He’s a sleeper here, especially if the contact improves.
13. Alberto Campos, RHP: Usually when a pitcher dominates the Pioneer League, it’s an advanced one like Hynick or CBM. When a pitcher like Campos does, it brings back eerie memories of Chacin (though they pitch differently). I need to watch some video to put a real hold on him though, and I haven’t found any.
14. Wil Swanner: The ceiling is really high for sure but he better change his approach at the plate. I don’t want to see kid become strike out 150 times in Asheville. He’s probably the highest reward/risk player on the list right now.
15. Juan Nicasio, RHP: The lines this guy puts up is pure torture, because you know he can really dominating but he still gets hit. He sort of reminds me of Ricky Nolasco in a way, which would work out excellent for him but I don’t know if he’ll reach that ceiling. He’s old for the level and the Rockies are going really slow with him.
16. Jordan Pacheco, C: This kid works the strike zone so well and puts the ball in play more often than any minor leaguer. Like Blackmon, I was really impressed by their transition to the Texas League, and I don’t give a damn about his age because catchers develop slower.
17. Cole Garner, OF: He’s also really underrated. People knows his tools and his splits, but they’re lumping him in the Miller category, which is unfair because he holds the upside of a quality major league starting outfielder. Hopefully the Rockies protect from minor league free agency, because it would really be a shame to watch this guy go for nothing.
18. Parker Frazier, RHP: Did anyone see the way this guy came back from injury and proceeded to put up better numbers from last year in Modesto? He’ll probably be left back in Modesto, especially because he’s just 21, but I think if he continues his development he could be a sleeper.
19. Corey Dickerson, OF: Dominated Casper, known as a sleeper pick, but he’s old for the level.
20. Rex Brothers, LHP: Dominating right now, slower moving up as we liked, but I’m happy as long as the control improves and the K’s are still there.
21. Mike McKenry, C: Here because of his defensive ability and power potential, Not really much else to say.
22. Josh Slaats, RHP: He’s got some real K potential there.
23. Edwar Cabrera, LHP: Another guy whom I feel is underrated, especially due to age. He never really got a chance, but he’s a pitcher with some real potential in him
24. Ben Paulsen, 1B: He quietly put up a nice season while skipping a level. I’m not the biggest fan due to that BB/K though.
25. Rossell Herrera, IF: In the DSL, I look for contact ability plus the ability to get on base. That and the fact that he’s a bonus baby gets him on the list, he has some real upside.
26. Alving Mejias, RHP: Wouldn’t be surprised if he impressed next year, all he’s doing is getting groundballs and he’s getting killed for it.
27. Delta Cleary, OF: The upside is there but he’s turning into Tyler Massey here.
28. Josh Slaats, RHP: The K potential is there, but can he can it as a starter for a year?
29. Bruce Billings, RHP: He’s been tremendous since going towards the pen.
30. Casey Weathers, RHP: We know the talent’s there but can he get past the injuries?
The 2010 Colorado Rockies: We may have lost the battle, but not the war. It ain't over till it's over.
You have Slaats on there twice (22 & 28)
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Bah
Give me Hollingsworth at 22.
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Alberto Campos, RHP: …I need to watch some video to put a real hold on him though, and I haven’t found any.
I’ll have a little bit in a few days. Won’t sway you too much, but ti’s something.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 8, 2010 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, giving this a shot...
1.. Tyler Matzek
2. Willin Rosario
3. Christian Friederich
4, Chad Bettis
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Kyle Parker
7. Rafael Ortega
8. Peter Tago
9. Chris Nelson
10. Rex Brothers
11. Charlie Blackmon
12. Tim Wheeler
13. Juan Nicasio
14. Jordan Pacheco
15. Will Swanner
16. Corey Dickerson
17. Casey Weathers
18. Michael McKenry
19. Hector Gomez
20. Josh Slaats
21. Albert Campos
22. Eliezer Mesa
23. Joshua Rutledge
24. Thomas Field
25. Jerald Clark
26. Ben Paulsen
27. Samuel Deduno
28. Matt Reynolds
29. Cole Garner
30. Kiel Rolling (pure hometown vote here)
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I assume you mean Jared Clark at 25
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Does this mean I shouldn't have Alex Cole at #32?
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Gosh
I know Rox Girl said there should be no discussion of players, but I’ve seen a few folks who’ve listed Hector Gomez pretty low. Hoping David OhNo might be able to give a comment. He’s an enigma; we all know he’s talented, but he’s rarely been able to show it for various reasons.
And, Junction Rox, I saw Kiel play last year. Let’s just say I’m still a believer, to some degree.
I feel that
If you can’t see the player every being a Rockie, than he doesn’t have a ton of value. I do question why you have Nelson 11, and Gomez 5. I feel they have similar skill levels, but Nelson should be on the big league club next year, while Gomez will probably be back in Tulsa again.
Basically
I can see Gomez providing more WAR to the Rockies during the next five years, be it through a trade or performance. A lot of that has to do with how the org. views Nelson (in my eyes). He’s never been given a shot, which is weird. The fact that Herrera still gets more opps over Nelson tells me a ton.
I can see Gomez’s bat playing better at 3B than Nelson’s, as well.
If it were up to me, I’d never have called up Herrera to begin with and would have ushered in a Nelson/EY era already. But it ain’t up to me.
I'm one of those
and it’s entirely because of the injuries. At this point, I think the injury questions raise a serious question about what he’ll ever be able to contribute, just the same as a flawed skill would.
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My extremely long list
1. Tyler Matzek.
- Still a top dog. Throws hard (check out the average velocities at FanGraphs for the ‘top’ ML pitchers before criticizing a 93 from a lefty) and has an athletic, easy delivery.
2. Christian Friedrich.
- I’m still a believer and hope he’ll be a key contributor in September next year.
3. Wilin Rosario.
- The ACL injury is bad, but even a shift to another position is OK given that his bat will play anywhere. That power at that age is very nice.
4. Nolan Arenado.
- Just a shade abover Hector Gomez for me. He’s second in the SAL in doubles, with almost 40 fewer games. Also sits 3rd in SLG and is just 19 (a young 19, too).
5. Hector Gomez.
- Tools are there. Athleticism is there. Injuries are, unfortunately, also there. I suspect he’ll never wind up at Coors, but his value is being very underrated as a potential trade chip. He’s probably toolsy and athletic enough to contribute (to some degree) to a poorer major league club right now. Wouldn’t shock me to see him dealt this winter.
6. Rex Brothers.
- Yeah, this is probably the highest he’ll get ranked. Some see a reliever. I see six years of controlled 2-3 WAR level contribution in high-leverage situations.
7. Kyle Parker.
- This is obviously a hit or miss guy. What we might get is a true power guy at a key power position. What we won’t get is a 4th or 5th OF. This was an all-or-nothing pick in my mind and I suspect the FO (with a traditionally strong draft record) weighed that before making the pick. I’m buying his freshman and junior years, obviously.
8. Rafael Ortega.
- Probably a homer pick. He’s young, he’s not fully developed physically and he’s raking against college pitchers. I tend to give bonus points to Latin players performing well early on and not taking away points to Latin players who are not performing. Guess it’s that bleeding heart I was raised with.
9. Peter Tago.
- Check out his draft video and all videos on YouTube. Such an easy, fluid delivery with such high velocity and movement. He’s the prospect i’m most excited to follow next year and, frankly, it’s not particularly close. He could fly up the prospect radar. Unfortunately, we might have to wait until he’s traded to Boston for STS to recognize that.
10. Charlie Blackmon.
- He’s performed everywhere. I watched him play in college and he’s very skilled. Obviously, his floor is that of a backup OF. But there’s great value in that and his speed will give him an edge as a backup over a guy like Spilborghs. His ceiling is that of a good, solid corner OF, in my mind.
11. Chris Nelson.
- Skillswise, he probably belongs higher. Very toolsy, quick wrists and shows good pop. But, for some reason, I don’t think he holds much value here in the organization, be it in a trade or through playing time. It’s frustrating, but I’ll give the organization the benefit of the doubt at this point. I can see him being shipped off for less-than-equal value.
12. Chad Bettis.
- This was a tough one for me. David OhNo has made me very excited about him, but all the critics who claim he’s a relief pitcher scare me. Next year will be important for him. He could really excel in the CAL. If he shows a maintained velocity and durability, he launches into the top 5 for me.
13. Will Swanner.
- I’m afraid he’ll be underrated here, unfortunately. The power is legitimate. Very legitimate. He might not stay at catcher, but I suspect he’ll improve greatly through instruction and that bat at the catcher position could result in a 4 WAR player year-in and year-out.
14. Juan Nicasio.
- This is another player I feel is probably being undervalued (and, thus, ranked lower). He probably deserved callup to Tulsa at some point — perhaps ahead of teammate Hollingsworth — but didn’t get it, for various reasons. He’s on the 40 already and it’d be nice to * or get off the pot. Mid-upper 90s fastball, though I saw him in what is probably his best game as a professional, so my view was skewed.
15. Tim Wheeler.
- Toolsy. He has good stretches and bad stretches. Speed is legitimate and has an athletic build that would result in plenty of XBH in Coors while playing a premium position
16. Jordan Pacheco.
- Plays a premium position and will hit for contact. He’ll likely wind up as a backup, in my mind, but a backup catcher who has a consistent bat and works the count is very valuable in my mind. Saw him play last year and he was, without a doubt, the best player on that Asheville roster.
17. Delta Cleary Jr.
- He must read PR. I (kind of) ripped him last week or the week before. He’s reeled off plenty of good games. I was politely reminded by David OhNo not to give up on toolsy players and he’s absolutely right (and this should be a lesson for other Rockies minor league followers). Sometimes it just clicks and they perform great. That’s Delta. Plus, an excellent name.
18. Bruce Billings.
- Another guy I see as possibly providing 10 WAR during a stint here, even if it’s just as a reliever. Good fastball (that was always the case) and he’s mowing dudes down as a reliever (more than a K per inning).
19. Josh Slaats.
- I see him as a quick mover. He’ll get a chance in the rotation, but I suspect his future is likely in a pen. Colorado has several guys with plus fastballs who should arrive within the next couple years in the bullpen. No more Rincon or Daley for us.
20. Corey Dickerson.
- I have him a touch lower than some folks. I just don’t see him as a high-impact guy once he faces truly experienced pitching. I see holes in his swing and I’m dubious that it’ll fix.
21. Ben Paulsen.
- Coach’s kid who is showing good contact skills in high-A. Big kid who should develop power down the line. Nothing wrong with a league average 1B when you’re paying him minimum salary, eh?
22. Michael McKenry.
- Sorry, Rox Girl. The terrible home/road split is scary for me.
23. Josh Rutledge.
- His defense gives him a better-than-average opportunity to play in the big leagues. I’m not even going to look at his Tri-City stats, frankly. Let’s see what he does in Asheville next year (or Modesto? I suspect Adames winds up in TC).
24. Russell Wilson.
- Pure athleticism, tools ranking. Could launch up next year with a big year in the SAL (I kind of suspect he’ll have one, FWIW).
25. Albert Campos.
- I posted earlier that he has a shot at the pitcher of the year honors in the PIO. He’s probably the odds-on favorite, at this point the more I think about it. At his age and this level, that means something (again: a kid from Latin America who is performing well against guys who’ve had intense training for 10 years means a lot in my book).
26. Samuel Deduno.
- I think he makes a dent in the major leagues. I just don’t think it’s here and I don’t think we get anything for him.
27. Eliezer Mesa.
- Cooled off. I’ve listened to a handful of Asheville games and the announcer doesn’t sound remotely bullish about him which, combined with the sudden average performance following the scorching hot start, lowered him in my book.
28. Casey Weathers.
- Lower than I wanted to put him. I thought about slotting him higher several times, just couldn’t pull the trigger. Hunch, I guess. Big bummer, too.
29. Rosell Herrera.
- This will be my only DSL player. Big bonus baby and he started off well. Hopefully he winds up dominating the PIO similar to a Yorman Rodriguez. You won’t hear me say this often, but Tony Diaz might be a great coach for him.
30. Ryan Casteel.
- This is my sleeper/I want to say I told you so pick. BABIP unlucky early, BABIP lucky lately. He was a top Tennessee recruit out of HS, went to Cleveland State (hometown JuCo) after they signed another C. Great get by the Rockies at the time and it’s paying off already.
Position breakdown:
P: 11
- Solid haul. Top heavy and reliever heavy, but given the age of our rotation, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Wouldn’t shock me if we targeted a top-end guy early next year in the draft. Also have Jayson Aquino, who will be a guy to watch in Casper next year. I didn’t put him on the list (though I wanted to), if only because an average curveball would dominate at times in the DSL.
C: 5 (4 if Casteel has to move off C).
- Best catching group in the minors in all of baseball (completely arbitrary statement made without any research). I like Swanner a lot and think the prospect mavens will by June of next year. His power in Asheville could result in 30 HRs.
IF: 7 (6 if Herrera is moved to OF)
- Arenado is the top of this group, but his power shouldn’t be overlooked. He hasn’t played a full season and is second in doubles, third in SLG and has a .216 ISO. Defense seems to be overvalued in baseball now (these things come in waves) and he should develop HR power (12 ain’t bad for a young 19 year old…. He’s probably among the five youngest players in the SAL).
OF: 7.
- Ortega, Dickerson and Parker will likely be a blast to follow next year (David OhNo has already touched on this in his excellent piece that seemed to have been read far too little). All three could wind up being 4 or 5 WAR guys and all three might never make it past Tulsa. Dickerson and Ortega being lefties might hurt them in Asheville, but it’s a great group. Blackmon and Wheeler aren’t anything to laugh at, either.
I’ve obviously ranked them by players I feel will most likely provide the most utility combined with their relative proximity to the majors. Some were ranked lower than I’d have them ranked, but that’s due to my perception of how the organization values them as a player just dumped away for nothing, regardless of his prospect status, gives the organization no value.
Selfishly, I’m hoping the organization loads up on HS high-end, high-risk talent next year. Could be the last year of truly high spending on the draft and the last year HSers drafted after the 4th round are willing to sign. Time to load up on infielders and pitchers.
Please comment.
1. Tyler Matzek: Has had a wildly effective season, with a boatload of walks, but little production against. Considering his age, I will dismiss it for now. But he will drop if it continues next year
2. Wilin Rosario: He has a big league bat, which will almost assuredly translate to the next level. He also has a great arm. Question is though, if he will move to 1B. He does have some questions defensively, has a knee problem, and catcher is an organizational strength.
3. Christian Friedrich: Injuries have pretty much made this a lost season. When he was healthy and in a groove, he did pitch well, so I’m not concerned.
4. Chris Nelson: He is the best prospect we have who will contribute next season. Huge year for the Sky Sox, and looked good in minimal play for the Rockies. Still some questions about production at the major league level, and health.
5. Charles Blackmon: Ok, I have to admit that I am much higher on Blackmon than most of you. However, I feel that he is the best combination of potential and distance to majors. In him, I see a solid, toolsy outfielder who should get major league playing time.
6. Nolan Arenado: Arenado drips with potential. He is arguably the best bat in the system, since Parker has yet to actually play.
7. Rafael Ortega: Huge year at Rookie ball, first time in the states. Tools are dripping from this guy. He sweats screwdrivers. He has a ton of polish and should move up the system very quick. I have a feeling he will be top five in the next list.
8. Corey Dickerson: I am a lot more impressed with Dickerson than most. I feel that he is being underrated by some. He is having an equally impressive season at rookie ball as Ortega is, yet he isn’t getting the love. Yes, he is a few years older, but Ortega has also spent more time in our system. I see yet another toolsy, polished outfielder who will move up the system very quick.
9. Tim Wheeler: Top pick, but has had a rough year. Not too bad though. Just wanted to see more out of him. Look for him to rebound next year.
10. Chad Bettis: Bettis is hard to get a read on. Some believe that his stuff translates better to the pen. The Rockies started him off the bat, and in a short few months, he has taken the lower levels by storm. If he doesn’t start, his stock falls, but if he keeps this up as a starter, he will rise very quickly in rankings.
11. Hector Gomez: Tools are everywhere, unfortunately he has a screwdriver lodged in his elbow, and a hammer doing some bad work to his body. Is point, he may be a lost cause, but his is still young.
12. Jordan Pacheco: Almost certain to be a major leaguer, but most likely not a starter. This is a case where I will choose floor or ceiling.
13. Rex Brothers: Looked amazing, but hit a brick wall in Tulsa. Still, he projects to be a back of the pen pitcher, it will just take him a bit longer to reach the bigs now.
14. Peter Tago: High end prep pitcher, just drafted and has yet to see action, and probably wont till next year. He should be good though.
15. Ben Paulsen: Don’t know why, I just feel good about him. Odd pick for me.
16. Juan Nicasio: Good stuff, but has only had one elite year, and has moved up the system at a snails pace. Should reach the bigs sometime in 2020.
17. Michael McKenry: Very low floor, but projects as a defensive backup catcher. Still valuable.
18. Matt Reynolds: Should be a mainstay in the Rockies pen next year. Projects to be a 7th inning guy.
19. Casey Weathers: Looked good coming back from injury, but hit a wall harder than anyone else has. Who the hell knows about Weathers, he still has potential, but that is about all that is working for him now.
20. William Swanner: Smacking rookie ball pitching around so far, but I’m not sure if he has yet to take a pitch, Could rise very quickly, but I would like to see a bit more from him.
21. Albert Campos: Good season, decent stuff. Again, need to see more before I move him up.
22. Kyle Parker: So, Parker. You all know I did not like this pick. I didn’t feel like he was the best available at that pick, and I don’t feel he is worth the risk. But, he does have the best power in the system, I just hope he doesn’t take too much of a beating on the gridiron.
23. Cole Garner: Old, MiLB free agent. Could be in the running for backup outfield position next year. Beyond that, I don’t know. I’m lazy, and don’t want to comment on the rest.
24. Eliezer Mesa
25. Samuel Deduno
26. Kiel Roling
27. Ethan Hollingsworth
28. Delta Cleary Jr.
29. Bruce Billings
30. Parker Fraiser
I have a hard time understanding your reasoning on Dickerson/Campos
I think I understand where you’re coming from on most everything else, even if I disagree with it (like the too high placement of Wheeler) but the aggressive placement of a polished older hitter in a hitter friendly league over the younger pitcher who’s dominating to a much greater degree in that same league just confuses me. I think reading your justification for the Dickerson placement it might have something to do with how you view the DSL as compared to the domestic HS/college route.
I think you might be overestimating the impact a summer of professional coaching at the DSL Academy (“being in the system”) compared to the year round training elite level HS and college athletes get in the US. Dickerson’s likely received considerably more instruction in his craft than either Ortega or Campos. Both of those Latin American products certainly have a higher ceiling, and I’d argue both have higher floors as well.
I think you may be underrating the Rockies development in the DR.
Which is very, very good. Keep in mind, he does have 400 AB more at a professional level than Dickerson. All things considered, I feel they have both been polished at a comparable level. Which is why I feel you can’t discredit what Dickerson has done, while fully credit what Ortega has done.
No, I don't think I am underrating the Rockies development in the D.R.
If it was as good as you seem to be implying we’d see a lot more immediate success by players coming over to Casper. I know you won’t be able to show me one instance of a position player like Ortega that’s immediately flourished his first year in the states, because I’ve looked at them all. Ortega’s not a product of the system as much as he is of his own skill-set. Meanwhile, I have seen players of Dickerson’s age and skill level flourish to this degree in the Pioneer League, and at Casper we have examples like Christopher Cook, Dustin Hahn and Justin Nelson who had good 21 year old seasons but eventually faltered.
I think Dickerson’s a better prospect than they ever were and I’m giving him credit, he’ll be in my top 15, but again my issue isn’t at all with your high placement of him relative to Ortega, it’s with your low placement of Campos relative to both those OF’s.
My problem with Campos
Is purely on my side. I don’t know anything about him at all. if I knew what he was tossing and actually saw him, I would move him up if he had plus stuff. However, all I heard was he had a decent fastball with good movement and a good slider. That doesn’t show me enough. He is like Parker and Swanner to me. I don’t know what to expect yet, so I will keep them lower for now and adjust accordingly when I know more about them.
A new round of picks
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Christian Friedrich
3. Wilin Rosario
4. Hector Gomez
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Kyle Parker
7. Juan Nicasio
8. Rafael Ortega
9. Rex Brothers
10. Chris Nelson
11. Josh Slaats
12. Peter Tago
13. Corey Dickerson
14. Charlie Blackmon
15. Chad Bettis
16. Tim Wheeler
17. Jordan Pacheco
18. Mike McKenry
20. Casey Weathers
21. Ben Paulsen
22. Delta Cleary
23. Scott Robinson
24. Bruce Billings
25. Samuel Deduno
26. Eliezer Mesa
27. Craig Baker
28. Matt Reynolds
29. Cole Garner
30. Parker Frazier
Can you tell me more about #19?
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by Junction Rox on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I always reserve a spot for Alan Johnson
by WanderingRoxFan on Sep 4, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
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RoxHead checks in
1. Wilin Rosario, C
2. Tyler Matzek, LHP
3. Christian Friedrich, LHP
4. Charlie Blackmon, OF
5. Hector Gomez, INF
6. Samuel Deduno, RHP
7. Kyle Parker, OF
8. Michael McKenry, C
9. Chris Nelson, INF
10. Tim Wheeler, LF
11. Matthew Reynolds, LHP
12. Jordan Pacheco, C
13. Casey Weathers, RHP
14. Chad Bettis, RHP
15. Matt Miller, OF
16. Craig Baker, RHP
17. Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP
18. Rex Brothers, LHP
19. Jayson Aquino, LHP
20. Cole Garner, LF
21. Kiel Roling, C/1B
22. Kent Matthes, OF
23. Jefri Hernandez, RHP
24. Rafael Ortega, OF
25. Albert Campos, RHP
26. Peter Tago, RHP
27. Parker Frazier, RHP
28. Darin Holcomb, 3B
29. Andrew Johnston, RHP
30. Edgmer Escalona, RHP
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31. Michael Paulk, 1B
32. Nolan Arenado, INF
Surprised
Arenado didn’t make your top 30. Well probably more shocked. I see him as at the very least a top 10 talent. Then again what the hell do I know, I am definitely not an expert.
roxhead's lists are always a bit unique
It is odd, however, given that Tim Wheeler, Kiel Roling, Peter Tago and Jayson Aquino rank so well. Arenado’s had as much success in the system, or more, than any of those players.
Tough love
I don’t know exactly why I’m being so hard on Nolan other than to say that I did the same thing with Willin Rosario a few years back. But look at where Willin is now on my poll… I think I just am more skeptical on these young super prospects that show a good bat but lack good defensive abilities initially.
You can bet he’ll jump up fast in my future polls if he continues raking at the plate.
I pushed some DSL players higher this time around because of the very good results the Rockies are having developing these kids. Wheeler and Roling are closer to helping the big club than other higher ceiling younger prospects, but I’ve always done that in my polls. Aquino falls under my love for left handed starters whom I always over rank.
At least you're consistent.
And again, I don’t want to make it sound like your rankings are at all unwelcome even if I differ with the methodology and conclusions you come to.
Tom's list
1. Tyler Matzek, LHP
2. Wilin Rosario, C
3. Christian Friedrich, LHP
4. Charlie Blackmon, OF
5. Kyle Parker, OF
6. Rafael Ortega, OF
7. Nolan Arenado, 3B
8. Chad Bettis, RHP
9. Peter Tago, RHP
10. Rex Brothers, LHP
11. Juan Nicasio, RHP
12. Will Swanner, C
13. Corey Dickerson, OF
14. Albert Campos, RHP
15. Josh Slaats, RHP
16. Chris Nelson, IF
17. Hector Gomez, SS
18. Michael McKenry, C
19. Tim Wheeler, OF
20. Cole Garner, OF
21. Jordan Pacheco, C
22. Samuel Deduno, RHP
23. Eliezer Mesa, OF
24. Matt Reynolds, LHP
25. Casey Weathers, RHP
26. Parker Frazier, RHP
27. Ben Paulsen, 1B
28. Thomas Field, SS
29. Cory Riordan, RHP
30. Chad Rose, RHP
I didn’t follow the minor leagues as closely as I have the past few years. No real reason, I guess, I just didn’t scour the box scores as much. Therefore, this is a list where I would probably re-order the bottom 15 if you made me do it again tomorrow. But the top 10 I feel pretty solid about.
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Esmil Rogers
4. Christian Friedrich
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Chris Nelson
7. Peter Tago
8. Charlie Blackmon
9. Chad Bettis
10. Juan Nicasio
11. Rex Brothers
12 Hector Gomez
13. Rafael Ortega
14. Kyle Parker
15. Tim Wheeler
16. Jordan Pacheco
17. Corey Dickerson
18. Ben Paulsen
19. Albert Campos
20. Josh Slaats
21. Cole Garner
22. Thomas Field
23. Edwar Cabrera
24. Josh Hungerman
25. Delta Cleary
26. Erik Stavert
27. Matt Reynolds
28. Michael McKenry
29. Bruce Billings
30. Ethan Hollingsworth
Apologies to any Dominican Summer Leaguers (I don’t rank them, I feel like there’s just no telling how they’ll react upon coming to the States so they are a bit more volatile stock in my mind), most relief prospects (not as much room for them but I do like Ricky Testa, Coty Woods, Kraig Sitton and Chad Rose), and, as always, Matt Miller, who is not a prospect.
28.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
Also apologies to Casey Weathers – holy crap, can’t believe I left him out, but I don’t know who I’d bump to put him in – and to that number 28 that got put all the way at the bottom of my post.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
FYI, Rogers isn't eligible anymore, so you can slide everyone up one and put Weathers as 30 if you'd like.
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First year I feel at all capable of contributing. My personal favourites will probably be obvious!
1. Wilin Rosario, C
2. Hector Gomez, SS
3. Tyler Matzek, LHP
4. Rafael Ortega, OF
5. Peter Tago, RHP
6. Charlie Blackmon, OF
7. Nolan Arenado, 3B
8. Chad Bettis, RHP
9. Chris Nelson, SS/2B
10. Eliezer Mesa, OF
11. Jordan Pacheco, C
12. Corey Dickerson, OF
13. Albert Campos, RHP
14. Thomas Field, 2B
15. Matt Reynolds, LHP
16. Kyle Parker, OF
17. Josh Slaats, RHP
18. Will Swanner, C
19. Rex Brothers, LHP
20. Christian Friedrich, LHP
21. Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP
22. Cole Garner, OF
23. Samuel Deduno, RHP
24. Michael McKenry, C
25. Bruce Billings, RHP
26. Juan Nicasio, RHP
27. Tim Wheeler, OF
28. Casey Weathers, RHP
29. Rosell Herrera, IF
30. Matt Miller, OF
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Christian Friedrich
4. Nolan Arenado
5. Peter Tago
6. Kyle Parker
7. Hector Gomez
8. Rafael Ortega
9. Charlie Blackmon
10. Juan Nicasio
11. Chad Bettis
12. Chris Nelson
13. Rex Brothers
14. Michael McKenry
15. Will Swanner
16. Casey Weathers
17. Tim Wheeler
18. Corey Dickerson
19. Jordan Pacheco
20. Albert Campos
21. Matt Reynolds
22. Cole Garner
23. Josh Slaats
24. Bruce Billings.
25. Samuel Deduno
26. Ben Paulsen
27. Eliezer Mesa
28. Joseph Sanders
29. Thomas Field
30. Delta Cleary
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 6, 2010 10:19 AM MDT reply actions
David's List
1. Tyler Matzek- Control/Command are big issues but also the only issues. Unhittable in low A.
2. Wilin Rosario- Star potential after breakout year. Rockies aren’t worried about recovery so neither am I. Needs year to refine pitch recognition.
3. Christian Friedrich- Lost year but not without positives. Still has stellar curveball and three solid complementary pitches. Command is key.
4. Nolan Arenado- Could have ranked second on this list, as he’s the highest potential hitter. Contact comes easy right now, but will need better selectivity.
5. Charlie Blackmon- Dynamic player with few flaws, won’t be a star but can be a quality starter. Could be an Andre Ethier type corner.
6. Chris Nelson- Still believe he’s the future at second with a more explosive bat than his competitors.
7. Kyle Parker- Plus raw power is best in the system. Should see his athleticism refine to baseball skills once he hangs up football.
8. Chad Bettis- AL style number three pitcher with a power fastball and good movement. Bulldog strike thrower with wipeout slider and decent change.
9. Peter Tago- System’s top live arm? Excellent fastball and currently no ceiling, but we don’t know the floor yet either.
10. Juan Nicasio- Power groundballer still needs a big AA year in ‘11. Has been old for his levels but has plus stuff.
11. Hector Gomez- Two lost years in a row, and now no AFL. All the potential in the world means little if you can’t play. Back questions could hurt longevity.
12. Will Swanner- Athletic catcher putting on a huge raw power display in debut. Will need to learn when to sell out for power, and when to dial it back.
13. Rex Brothers- Closer stuff with mid 90’s heat and system’s best slider. Control comes and goes, but finished AA strong.
14. Ben Paulsen- Overlooked hitter young for a typical Rockies 1st base prospect. Smooth lefty swing with power untapped. Frame to grow into more pop.
15. Rafael Ortega- Toolsy outfielder can beat you in many ways. What type of line will he put up if he’s only hitting .300?
16. Jordan Pacheco- Best recognition/selectivity in system, but other way approach yields little power. Arm will determine if he sticks at catcher.
17. Matt Reynolds- Succeeding already in majors, but he’s a deception/command pitcher. Will league figure him out after a few seasons?
18. Cory Dickerson- Power bursting again towards the finish. Great frame and decent athlete could be an 8th round steal.
19. Tim Wheeler- Year undone by lack of contact. Solid periphery tools, but it could be over before it starts if he can’t cut down the k’s in AA.
20. Bruce Billings- Betancourt-type fastball reliever. Attacks up and in with mid 90’s heat. Lack of breaking ball may make him a 7th inning role player.
21. Casey Weathers- When healthy, had the best overall stuff for relief prospects. Needs to move quickly next year he’ll slide further.
22. Thomas Field- Big year offensively, but came out of nowhere. K’s a little too much for an older player. Will attempt to validate his break out in the AFL.
23. Albert Campos- Was worried he might be too low, but upon reading the ITR Farm Report, this is about right. Promising potential.
24. Mike McKenry- AAA season has limited his upside to quality reserve, Which is more valuable at catcher than elsewhere.
25. Josh Slaats- Big K numbers in pitcher friendly league. Has a low 90’s fastball and a plus slider. Starter or two pitcher reliever down the road?
26. Sam Deduno- May finally have been moved to relief. Low ranking because there’s no upside left. He’s reached his peak age range, so he is what he is.
27. Cory Riordan- Back end rotation candidate with low 90’s fastball and solid secondary offerings like his 11-7 curve. Flyball tendencies may not mesh with Coors.
28. Ethan Hollingsworth- Athletic pitcher with solid four pitch mix, including low 90’s fastball. Stuff may play up in relief, giving him a high floor.
29. Cole Garner- Will stick as a 5th outfielder or will likely be elsewhere. Ranked here because he’s earned it with his AAA line.
30. Parker Frazier- Quick recovery from TJ and he hasn’t missed a beat. On track for a AA homecoming in ‘11. Lively arm still potential filled.
31. Delta Cleary- Too talented to leave out of Top 30, but also too talented to OPS less than .700. Still young enough to breakout.
32. Josh Rutledge- MLB quality defender could move quickly early with his polish. Offensive potential is the concern here.
33. Daniel Mayora- Breaking out as a Wilson Betemit utility type. Good offensive tools could shine in AAA.
34. Kent Matthes- Lost year doesn’t help older ‘09 senior sign, but still has plus power. Could be pushed in ’11 if healthy.
35. Russell Wilson- Smattering of tools make him interesting, but needs to refine almost all of them.
36. Cristhian Adames- Could be the quickest riser on this board in ’11 as a plus defensive shortstop with decent contact skills. What is his offensive potential?
37. Joe Sanders- Currently a power only prospect, but the potential is there for a decent hit for average tool.
38. Adam Jorgenson- Short reliever with solid stuff. Mid 90’s fastball is straight, but has solid change and big slow curve to keep hitters honest.
39. Eliezer Mesa- Been decent after a hot start, but hasn’t been considered incredibly toolsy. 4th outfield type.
40. Erik Stavert- Been solid after late start to pro career. Flashed a plus sinker in his college days at Oregon.
41. Lars Davis- Picked a good time to start hitting and has plus athleticism for the position. Arm strength and power aren’t quite there yet.
42. Chaz Roe- On the doorstep but ’10 was a step back. ML quality curveball.
43. Rossell Herrera- Nice ceiling for the rangy Latin prospect. Should come stateside in ’11 in Casper. Future position up in air.
44. Kurt Yacko- Another solid year for the relief prospect with a plus slider.
45. Rob Scahill- Arm strength starter has had some good outings and solid K numbers in High A.
46. Ryan Casteel- Great start to pro career. Could rise quickly.
47. Edwar Cabrera- Old prospect but has put up good numbers in Tri-City and may have a shot at a Juan Nicasio type run.
48. Johendi Jiminian- Bonus baby Latin with good pitch ability. Will be one to follow in Casper in ’11.
49. Wes Musik- Solid year in Asheville. At Houston, showed a 90 mph fastball with a plus curveball. Bulldog that like to attack the zone.
50. Edgmer Escalona- Pitched better down the stretch and away from SSF. Still has big fastball, K totals and low hit rate.
Here goes nothing
1) Tyler Matzek
2) Wilin Rosario
3) Christian Friedrich
4) Nolan Arenado
5) Peter Tago
6) Charlie Blackmon
7) Kyle Parker
8) Rafael Ortega
9) Chris Nelson
10) Chad Bettis
11) Will Swanner
12) Hector Gomez
13) Juan Nicasio
14) Rex Brothers
15) Josh Slaats
16) Casey Weathers
17) Jordan Pacheco
18) Tim Wheeler
19) Corey Dickerson
20) Albert Campos
21) Ben Paulsen
22) Matt Reynolds
23) Cole Garner
24) Michael McKenry
25) Bruce Billings
26) Samuel Deduno
27) Josh Rutledge
28) Thomas Field
29) Delta Cleary
30) Parker Frazier
Obviously have Tago too high but I just love his arm/upside.
I put these prospects into a tiered system. My list is pretty projection-heavy but is much higher on position prospects than last year’s list, including several young Latin American players. Overall I think the system is much deeper this year (though the departure of Chacin and Rogers leave it a little low on potential star power):
Tier I — Elite
1. Tyler Matzek — needs to improve walk rate, but has shown elite stuff
2. Christian Friedrich — presumably will return from injury with plus command, secondary pitches
3. Wilin Rosario — the hope is that he still has his power stroke when the ACL heals
Tier II — Highly Projectable
4. Nolan Arenado — performance in Sally at age 19 (early) almost had him up a tier, defense is big concern
5. Chris Nelson — great 2010 performance when finally healthy, will opportunity for PT be there?
6. Rafael Ortega — amazing Casper performance, can he sustain momentum in Asheville?
7. Hector Gomez — outstanding tools, but will he ever be healthy?
8. Charlie Blackmon — he’s hit at every level, will be top AAA prospect to watch if Nelson is in MLB
9. Peter Tago — loose arm action and great movement, lots of projectability
10. Kyle Parker — plus power, hit tools but football commitment and lack of refinement complicate matters
11. Chad Bettis — breakout player of the 2010 draft and could be quick mover, value falls if he goes back to bullpen
Tier III — Solid
12. Juan Nicasio — great performance this year, but I want to see him succeed at a more age-appropriate level
13. Will Swanner — fantastic power surge in limited Casper stint has me excited
14. Albert Campos — the most impressive Casper pitcher, I am very excited to see him at Asheville
15. Jordan Pacheco — hit very well at two levels, has improved defense
16. Corey Dickerson — 8th round pick performed quite well in Casper, will be part of talented Asheville outfield
17. Tim Wheeler — poor year at the plate sends stock tumbling, but there is still time to improve
18. Casey Weathers — still has closer potential and will get opportunity to shine next year
19. Rex Brothers — fast-moving relief prospect with likely future set-up/closing role
20. Ben Paulsen — great hit tool, if power develops he shoots up this list
Tier IV — Average
21. Thomas Field — showed great patience at plate and surprising power, could rise if he sustains improvement
22. Matt Reynolds — polished lefty has pitched well in Rockies’ bullpen, but that’s really his ceiling
23. Joshua Slaats — I want to believe in the great strikeout rate, we’ll see how he does in the Sally
24. Bruce Billings — the ex-starter is now Rex Brothers-lite as a relief prospect
25. Mike McKenry — likely MLB backup catcher in the near future
26. Delta Cleary — could put together prodigious tools at any time (and he’s still young), but will he?
27. Cory Riordan — more advanced pitching prospect with back of the rotation potential
28. Cole Garner — hopefully he’ll get a chance this September to show what he can do, could leave in the offseason
29. Eliezer Mesa — great performance this year, excellent speed tool
30. Rossell Herrera — not a great season in the DSL, but he could be next year’s Ortega
The IV tier extends to include about 15 more players, with the top five of those being: Samuel Deduno, Alving Mejias, Ethan Hollingsworth, Parker Frazier, Mike Zuanich
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1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Nolan Arenado
4. Christian Friedrich
5. Chris Nelson
6. Kyle Parker
7. Charlie Blackmon
8. Chad Bettis
9. Peter Tago
10. Juan Nicasio
11. Tim Wheeler
12. Hector Gomez
13. Rafael Ortega
14. Corey Dickerson
15. Rex Brothers
16. Ben Paulsen
17. Jordan Pacheco
18. Will Swanner
19. Matt Reynolds
20. Bruce Billings
21. Albert Campos
22. Casey Weathers
23. Josh Slaats
24. Delta Cleary
25. Parker Frazier
26. Thomas Field
27. Rosell Herrera
28. Mike McKenry
29. Cory Riordan
30. Rob Scahill
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1. Top of the Class
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Christian Friedrich
Not much to explain here. Friedrich hit his first major hurdle in his skyrocketing development, but it isn’t a significant enough to concern to drop him from the top tier, especially after it lost Chacin and Rogers. How he responds next year will determine any significant changes in placement for him. Matzek’s first season has done nothing but encourage me. Rosario’s breakout season was shortened by his ACL injury, but the message got through. He deserves to be up here now.
2a. Near Top Value Prospects
4. Chris Nelson
5. Chad Bettis
6. Charles Blackmon
7. Rex Brothers
8. Nolan Arenado
These are the non-elite but almost entirely positive players that can’t fit into the top tier, but shouldn’t be dropped out of the top ten. With the exception of Bettis, these are arranged by about how close they are to making a major league impact (Brothers could probably switch with Blackmon too if I were going only off that). I have Bettis ranked fifth (probably higher than most) because of a few reasons, the most significant of which I think was his very quickj adjustment into A ball. Bettis hit the ground running with both Tri-City and Asheville, and I think that’s the sign of a player who could be put on the fast track. I think he’s done enough to separate himself from the question marks, but others can and probably will disagree, and consider him part of the lower group. Nelson is not really a top 5 prospect in an ideal talent-based list, but he’s going to be an impact player in the very near future and his season has been impossible to ignore. Blackmon and Brothers are close (~2 years), and Arenado has had more than enough time to differentiate himself from the below list.
2b. The “Hype” Players
9. Peter Tago
10. Rafael Ortega
11. Hector Gomez
12. Kyle Parker
13. Corey Dickerson
Here is a series of highly praised players across the scouting community who haven’t had a chance to show what, say, what Bettis did to me in terms of forming an identity. Tago and Parker, of course, haven’t played yet, while Ortega and Dickerson are too early in their careers for me to outright accept the results yet. If either of them had been promoted into A ball this year and kept going, they’d be up where Bettis is. Gomez, of course, showed extreme promise in the time he got this year, but he continues getting injury after injury. These players are arranged mostly by my level of excitement for them.
3. Variety of Valuable B-Grade Talent
14. Matt Reynolds
15. Mike McKenry
16. Jordan Pacheco
17. Juan Nicasio
These four players fit together because they’re an amalgam of various talents who have shown a consistent success on some level, but their value to the organization right now is insignificant compared to those above them. In other words, they’re good enough to be in the first half of this list, but they’re not superstars (yet). Reynolds and McKenry got priority for being close to MLB impact, while Pacheco and Nicasio will both have great chances at breaking into the top 10 with continued play. Pacheco’s success this year probably gives him an argument to be places higher than this. I’m not ready to do that, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him up much higher in a future list. Nicasio is keeping pace, which is good enough to keep him afloat for now, but he loses value due to his counting down option clock.
4. Prospect Purgatory
18. Samuel Deduno
19. Tim Wheeler
20. Thomas Field
21. Casey Weathers
22. Ethan Hollingsworth
A good way of describing this set is “players in transition”. Arguments could be made for them to go in either the upper or middle class prospects area and as a result, they reside in purgatory. Deduno and Wheeler are on the decline in this list (Deduno’s getting old and Wheeler isn’t distinguishing himself), Field and Hollingsworth on the way up (both emerged from some degree of anonymity with good years, but can only propel themselves into the upper class with some repeat performances), and Weathers is back pitching but not necessarily well yet (he’s settled in better, but is still having the occasional meltdown).
5. Sorting Through the Details – The Upper Middle Class
23. Cole Garner
24. Edgmer Escalona
25. Will Swanner
26. Matt Miller
27. Jared Clark
28. Eliezer Mesa
29. Kiel Roling
30. Cory Riordan
Here’s where we hit the more arbitrary players that fill out the list, ones that could be almost interchangable with players #31-#36 or so. Garner and Miller are both eligible for free agency, and I can’t justify putting them higher in value when they may not get a chance to see 2011. That said, both players have continued to show success at AAA, and I feel they both deserve a spot on this list somewhere for now. Escalona had a TERRIBLE introduction to AAA, but has been an incredibly solid reliever in the second half. He’s got to stay on the radar. Swanner is a passion pick, “the guy I want to see break into the upper class”, hence why he got a few extra points up over other Ghosts or Dust Devils, like Campos, Slaats or Wilson. Clark is widely considered to be a possible A level peak guy, but the guy’s combination power and bat control this season have been impossible to ignore. Roling has fallen a long way, but I don’t feel comfortable excluding him because of one bad year. But he’s “on notice”, so to speak. Mesa is the “toolsy” pick of the list (my alternative to most people’s Delta Cleary love, while Riordan beats out the afroementioned youngsters, Chaz Roe and fellow Drillers Keith Weiser and Bruce Billings for the final slot.
Extra 15 just for clarification on where the others fell.
31. Josh Slaats
32. Bruce Billings
33. Albert Campos
34. Keith Weiser
35. Delta Cleary
36. Ben Paulsen
37. Chaz Roe
38. Parker Frazier
39. Adam Jorgenson
40. Wes Musick
41. Mike Zuanich
42. Angelys Nina
43. Ryan Casteel
44. Josh Rutledge
45. Juan Perez
This list does not include anyone from this year’s DSL team alone, as I am too unfamiliar with it to make deteminations based upon it.
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1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Christian Friedrich
4. Nolan Arenado
5. Peter Tago
6. Rafael Ortega
7. Chad Bettis
8. Kyle Parker
9. Charlie Blackmon
10. Juan Nicasio
11. Hector Gomez
12. Rex Brothers
13. Chris Nelson
14. Will Swanner
15. Corey Dickerson
16. Casey Weathers
17. Tim Wheeler
18. Michael McKenry
19. Jordan Pacheco
20. Bruce Billings
21. Matt Reynolds
22. Cole Garner
23. Josh Slaats
24. Parker Frazier
25. Eliezer Mesa
26. Ben Paulsen
27. Ethan Hollingsworth
28. Rosell Herrera
29. Thomas Field
30. Delta Cleary (though I hate putting him on this list)
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1. Tyler Matzek
2. Christian Friedrich
3. Wilin Rosario
4. Chris Nelson
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Rafael Ortega
7. Chad Bettis
8. Charlie Blackmon
9. Rex Brothers
10. Kyle Parker
11. Juan Nicasio
12. Peter Tago
13. Will Swanner
14. Jordan Pacheco
15. Albert Campos
16. Corey Dickerson
17. Ben Paulsen
18. Mike McKenry
19. Thomas Field
20. Josh Slaats
21. Hector Gomez
22. Casey Weathers
23. Tim Wheeler
24. Cole Garner
25. Matt Reynolds
26. Jared Clark
27. Russell Wilson
28. Bruce Billings
29. Craig Baker
30. Parker Frazier
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1. Tyler Matzek
2. Wilin Rosario
3. Christian Friedrich
4. Nolan Arenado
5. Kyle Parker
6. Peter Tago
7. Charlie Blackmon
8. Chad Bettis
9. Chris Nelson
10. Hector Gomez
11. Rex Brothers
12. Rafael Ortega
13. Juan Nicasio
14. Corey Dickerson
15. Tim Wheeler
16. Cole Garner
17. Will Swanner
18. Jordan Pacheco
19. Albert Campos
20. Casey Weathers
21. Josh Slaats
22. Thomas Field
23. Matt Reynolds
24. Michael McKenry
25. Bruce Billings
26. Tyler Gagnon
27. Eliezer Mesa
28. Delta Cleary Jr.
29. Rossel Herrera
30. Johendi Jiminian
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 6, 2010 11:03 PM MDT reply actions
I'll give it a go
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Nolan Arenado
3. Christain Friedrich
4. Wilin Rosario
5. Chad Bettis
6. Chris Nelson
7. Peter Tago
8. Rex Brothers
9. Juan Nicasio
10. Hector Gomez
11. Casey Weathers
12. Matt Reynolds
13. Kyle Parker
14. Rafael Ortega
15. Corey Dickerson
16. Jordan Pacheco
17. Charlie Blackmon
18. Josh Slaats
19. Albert Campos
20. Eliezer Mesa
21. Thomas Field
22. Cole Garner
23. Michael McKenry
24. Samuel Deduno
25. Ethan Hollingsworth
26. Chaz Roe
27. Tim Wheeler
28. Mike Zuanich
29. Cory Riordan
30. Will Swanner
Done it a few times for myself but first time submit
1 Wilin Rosario
2 Tyler Matzek
3 Nolan Arenado
4 Christian Friedrich
5 Chris Nelson
6 Charlie Blackmon
7 Kyle Parker
8 Hector Gomez
9 Rafael Ortega
10 Chad Bettis
11 Rex Brothers
12 Peter Tago
13 Corey Dickerson
14 Juan Nicasio
15 Tim Wheeler
16 Ben Paulsen
17 Josh Slaats
18 Will Swanner
19 Casey Weathers
20 Cole Garner
21 Albert Campos
22 Jordan Pacheco
23 Chaz Roe
24 Mike McKenry
25 Bruce Billings
26 Matt Reynolds
27 Parker Frazier
28 Samuel Deduno
29 Josh Rutledge
30 Thomas Field
Here's my list:
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Nolan Arenado
3. Ethan Hollingsworth
4. Peter Tago
5. Rex Brothers
6. Juan Nicasio
7. Charlie Blackmon
8. Christian Friedrich
9. Chris Nelson
10. Thomas Fields
11. Willin Rosario
12. Jordan Pacheco
13. Bruce Billings
14. Mike McKenry
15. Eliezer Mesa
16. Adam Jorgenson
17. Ben Paulsen
18. James Cesario
19. Jason Van Kooten
20. Jared Clark
21. Avery Barnes
22. Wes Musick
23. Matt Reynolds
24. Casey Weathers
25. Tim Wheeler
26. Cory Riordan
27. Albert Campos
28. William Swanner
29. Cory Dickerson
30. Rafael Ortega
I have real concerns with Friederich and Rosario’s injury. Christian’s elbow problems could set him back for a couple of years and a knee injury is a difficult thing for a catcher to overcome. I also have a problem with putting our first pick on this list when he’s not fully committed to play for the organization. Starting QB in the ACC can be a dangerous combination.
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Hollingsworth #3?
I would like to hear your reasoning behind this. I think you will have him 20 spots higher than anyone else.
Well, I value starting pitchers higher than other positions..
and when comparing starting pitchers I look at durability, the ability to keep men off of base and getting out of trouble without relying on the defense, ie the strikeout. So here is a comparison of starting pitchers in the organization in Tulsa, Modesto and Asheville with at least 20 starts. Tyler Matzek is the organization’s number 1 so we can measure all other starters against him.
Matzek (18starts) WHIP 1.388 SO/9 8.9
WHIP………….….………SO/9
Hollingsworth 1.216…….Nicasio 8.7
Nicasio 1.224……………Hollingsworth 8.6
Musick 1.251……………Musick 8.0
Riordan 1.274…….……Scahill 8.1
Weiser 1.369……………Riordan 7.5
Durden 1.389……………Houston 6.3
Gonzalez 1.426…………Gonzalez 5.4
Scahill 1.487 ……………Weiser 4.8
Schnaitmann 1.523 ……Durden 4.8
Houston 1.754………….Schnaitmann 4.0
I would’ve ranked Nicasio higher, but his SO/9 hasn’t been as consistent as Hollingsworth’s has been.
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That is comparing him with
Nicasio, and several pitchers who are pretty much not top 30 prospects. Also keep in mind that Hollingsworth is far from a lock to be a starter in the bigs. In fact, there is the belief that he will be more of a long reliever type than a starter.
Wow, where did you rank Matzek?
Hollingsworth, compares favorably to Tyler.
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#1, where he should be
I’m just leaving him out because Hollingsworth doesn’t compare with Matzek, at all.
An interesting idea, where would you have ranked Balcom-Miller if he had not been traded? By your reasoning, he would have been #1.
CBM was in my top 10 for the last 2 Purps list's..
While you can disrespect my list all you want, here was my top 7 this spring and three of these guys are playing for the big club.
1. Christian Friedrich
2. Tyler Matzek
3. Jhoulys Chacin
4. Sam Deduno
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Ethan Hollingsworth
7. Esmil Rogers
Where did you rank CBM on your last 2 Purps list? Oh, right. This is your first Purps list. Rookie
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He was going to end up somewhere10-20 ish
10 on my first list, got cut when I re-did it. Was going to drop even if he did stay here.
Lets add CB-M to your list that you made.
Balcom-Miller Whip 0.98 SO/9 9.73
Matzek (18starts) WHIP 1.388 SO/9 8.9
WHIP………….….………SO/9
Hollingsworth 1.216…….Nicasio 8.7
Nicasio 1.224……………Hollingsworth 8.6
Musick 1.251……………Musick 8.0
Riordan 1.274…….……Scahill 8.1
Weiser 1.369……………Riordan 7.5
Durden 1.389……………Houston 6.3
Gonzalez 1.426…………Gonzalez 5.4
Scahill 1.487 ……………Weiser 4.8
Schnaitmann 1.523 ……Durden 4.8
Houston 1.754………….Schnaitmann 4.0
Looks better than anyone on you list, so using your logic, he is better than Matzek.
Oh, and “rookie” Did you really just call me a rookie?
Actually CBM has never started 20 games within the Rockies organization..
so he wouldn’t have qualified for my list. I only included Matzek because he is clearly the #1 right now.
And yes, this is your first Purps list, so you are a Purps Rookie. Although I should mention this isn’t your first time tearing down other people’s lists. You’ve clearly done that on years where you chose not to participate. It’s an individual’s opinion backed up by whatever methodology they choose. RG compiles them and ranks the list as she mentioned above.
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Ok Rook, here you go:
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I feel prompted to remind you that some people take criticism of their lists personally, and this has caused others in the past to not participate. I suggest you take this person’s advice for how to interpret a Purps list.
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I don't see much evidence of tearing down lists
mkorpal’s been asking mostly legitimate questions about placements that are out of sync with everybody else. This is how we would come about to an understanding of why people would rank players where they do. I think at some point people should agree to disagree and you guys have probably reached that.
I do think you’re going overboard and possibly not adhering to site protocol with the whole “Rookie” designation, as you seem to clearly mean it in a derogatory way.
I apologize Mkorpal..
I was being defensive when I thought your questions were going beyond the normal inquiry.

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Alright, here are my top 30 prospects. The first number is what I estimate as a projected seasonal WAR ceiling based on scouting reports, other well informed opinions and statistics to date. The second number would be more indicative of what I feel is a realistic quality "floor" of what would happen if they came in on the lower end of where they’d be useful to the Rockies. For all minor leaguers there’s a floor of completely missing the MLB and I don’t put any floor as less than one, some of these players could be merely replacement level.
1. Tyler Matzek 5+/1.5/2013 – He’s still the pitcher with the most potential in the system, but make no mistake, the season he’s had has brought up plenty of question marks. I’ve got confidence that he’ll provide some happy answers for us to many of those in 2011. I hope it’s not just wishful thinking.
2. Christian Friedrich 4+/1/2012 – Similar to Matzek, Friedrich’s season has been a mixed bag (at best) but it really hasn’t done all that much to damage how I view his potential in the realistic range, even if it cut off some pie in the sky hopes for him. If he struggles again in 2011, that’s when he’ll start sinking in the rankings.
3. Wilin Rosario 3+/2/2012 – ranked higher than the WAR ceiling would indicate just because catcher’s an expensive and difficult position to fill to get even that amount via free agency. The lost six to nine months of development due to a torn ACL hurt him, and I possibly should have docked him in the rankings for that.
4. Nolan Arenado 4.5+/2.5/2013 Along with Ortega, has what I see as the highest productive floor of any player in the system. It’s really difficult to see them as anything less than starting level bats if they just continue their development at a normal rate.
5. Kyle Parker 5+/drop/2013 – That ceiling sure looks rosy while he hasn’t swung a bat professionally, but a realistic view of Parker would see more of a Brad Hawpe/Seth Smith type of player (I can see why Aberle doesn’t like him) than a Matt Holliday. Still, that Holliday level would be what we’d be talking about if everything breaks right for us.
6. Chris Nelson 3+/2/2011 – I like Nelson a lot, I don’t know what the organization plans for him, though.
7. Rafael Ortega 5/2.5/2013 The power is what’s going to cap his ceiling, but it’s also been the most encouraging aspect of his year in Casper, as he displayed that he has enough that he can move to a corner and still be an asset. The bat is so polished that it’s hard to find a comp for him. The last two teenagers to hit as well as he has in the Pioneer League, Caleb Gindl (OF Brewers) and Francisco Hernandez (C White Sox) lacked even the modest offensive (I know, five wins is an All-Star, but that’s taking a rosy defense outlook into account as well) projection that Ortega has, while those prospects that did have similar ceilings never showed this kind of early refinement. Adding that refined bat to his speed, as I mentioned above, I feel Ortega has as high a floor as any player in the system; this is saying a ton for a player at the rookie level.
8. Charlie Blackmon 4+/1.5/2011 I think it’s possible that Blackmon could be the system’s third best outfielder by midsummer 2011. He’s a much better prospect than typically given credit for by the mainstream.
9. Hector Gomez 5+/drop/2011 Everybody is knocking him down because of the frequent injuries and just the fact he seems to be more or less a ghost in the system. You can’t ignore the talent, however, and the fact remains that he’s been refining it slowly.
10. Chad Bettis 4+/1.5/2013 He’s really looking like another Jason Hammel type of pitcher to me with a less developed breaking pitch but a more potent fastball. If anything he’s underrated by the mainstream, and they really like him.
11. Albert Campos 4.5/1.5/2014 Alright, I’ll admit I may be ranking Campos this high as much on what he doesn’t yet possess (but could) as what he does, but youth, a projectable frame, two potential out pitches and an otherwise outstanding performance at Casper all bode well for him. His ceiling’s not as high as Tago’s but unlike Tago, he’s already laid the groundwork for a pretty decent floor.
12. Peter Tago 5+/drop/2014 Like Matzek, Tago competed and thrived in the country’s most challenging high school environment. Add in the scouting reports and there’s really no reason to dock him for not pitching at Casper this year.
13. Juan Nicasio 3.5/1/2012 Nicasio’s probably ranked too high by me given his limited ceiling, but I think he’s also one of the most likely in this list to live up to his potential.
14. Will Swanner 4+/1/2014 Swanner’s HR rate at Casper rivaled or passed those of Ian Stewart and Rosario when they were there. The downside is that his K rate (28/68 AB’s ended in whiffs) easily eclipsed them as well, and neither has exactly been known for keeping their K’s down. Swanner has to make more contact to get near a top 10 status for me, as he’s only going to face trickier pitchers from here on out.
15. Corey Dickerson 3+/1/2013 Dickerson’s an enticing mystery. His numbers at Casper were solid enough to make him a legitimate prospect to watch in 2011, but given that he’s 21 years old, there’s also a strong possibility that they’re unsustainable at higher levels, or that there’s less to build on than what you have with Ortega or Swanner. 2011 will be important in letting us know what we really have with him
16. Rosell Herrera 4.5+/1/2014 I’m going to be a lot higher on Herrera than anybody else, but I feel that the experiences of Ortega, Rosario, Angelys Nina, Carlos Martinez, Cristhian Adames and a couple of other prospects have taught me how to better evaluate the performances of Rockies DSL players. Plus given the best media coverage ever in the period before 2009’s international signing deadline, we actually had video of Herrera’s swing and got an idea of how athletic he was, and both of those aspects have me excited still. IIn short, what he did as a 17 year old at the academy this summer does nothing to dissuade me that he has a potential All-Star level bat at any position.
17. Rex Brothers 2/1/2011 I rate relievers low because of that limited impact at their ceiling, but Brothers is as solid a bullpen arm as there is in the system and I would say ranks as the most likely of this list to have five full seasons with the Rockies.
Brothers would also be the last player on this list that I’m comfortable seeing a potential All-Star or contention level performance (top five in the league at their position) in any MLB season. While prospects below this point may have that potential in them, there are usually plenty of reasons to be dubious that will ever be the case.
18. Cole Garner 3/1/2010 I think Garner’s ready to stick in the majors in a bench role.
19. Will McKenry 2/1/2011 McKenry also is ready to stick in a bench role, but might be better served in the long run with more AAA seasoning next year.
20. Jordan Pacheco 2.5/1/2012 A strong AFL could see him pass McKenry on my list.
21. Delta Cleary Jr. 4+/drop/2014
22. Ben Paulsen 3.5/drop/2013 If Paulsen makes it to the MLB as a first baseman, and he has that potential, it will be because he’s very very good. There’s a pretty good chance that his career could go John Lindsay, however. The same is true to lesser extents of several other corner/first base prospects in the system who I’m not going to rank but deserve mention like Jared Clark, Kent Matthes and Mike Zuanich.
23. Thomas Field 2.5/1/2013 Field’s a good example of why you shouldn’t automatically dismiss prospects on the wrong end of the age relative to league scale. The ceiling’s going to be boring, but there’s often a greater likelihood of this type of player reaching and contributing to a major league club than you might realize. Think Jamey Carroll, Will Harris, Craig Counsell, heck Clint Barmes (albeit Field’s a more disciplined hitter) the ceiling is a David Eckstein type, but the floor is a useful pinch hitter/runner/defensive reserve.
24. Josh Rutledge 3/1/2014 Potentially another Field, a couple of levels behind, though.
25. Jimmy Cesario 2.5/1/2013 The same type of player, less defensive utility, however. Really solid contact skills.
26. Eliezer Mesa 2.5/1/2014 Same thing, only the outfield version. These players are getting ranked over the higher potential next tier because of their more stable floor.
27. Ryan Casteel 3+/drop/2015 He’s sort of in the same boat as Dickerson, it’s just a bit trickier to judge him. In one way he should be higher if I’m ranking him as a catcher, but he should be lower if he’s going to wind up as a 1B/DH type. In the end I decided to waffle and split the middle.
28. Matt Reynolds 1.5/1/2010
29. Josh Slaats 3+/drop/2014 He fell a lot more on my list than I expected him to, sort of like a player that drops in a draft and I’ll admit I could be underrating him here given his starter potential. I likely hesitated because of the strong possibility he winds up a reliever. In which case, he’d rank below Bruce Billings, Samuel Deduno and Casey Weathers, who aren’t even going to make the top 30.
30. Cristhian Adames 3+/drop/2014 The only reason I rank him lower than Field and Rutledge is still what I see as a relatively high drop potential compared to those two, but given the higher ceiling, next year at this time he should be ahead of them if all goes well at Asheville.
31. Alejandro Barazza 3+/drop/2015 I’ll be the one to say that he has as much potential as Slaats at least, and I really do see them as this close to each other in talent/likelihood of reaching it.
31. Parker Frazier 3/drop/2013
32. Bruce Billings 1.5/1/2011
33. Cory Riordan 2/drop/2012 A bottom of the rotation pitcher candidate, I’ll throw in Tyler Gagnon and Josh Hungerman among others at this talent level as more or less interchangeable.
34. Casey Weathers 2/1/2012 -
35. Alving Mejias 3+/drop/2015 Somewhere around here would also be Johendi Jiminian, Raul Hernandez and Jayson Aquino. Higher upsides than the BOR candidates above, but they’re considerably higher drop risks as well.
It's good to see Mike McKenry's evil twin Will getting some prospect love.
I’d kinda given up on him, to be honest, but you might be onto something. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I had a feeling.
Will’s line on the road is downright ugly!
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Even when Mike isn't playing for him.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
This is good stuff.
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I'm interested in your thoughts on Weathers -- particularly, why there is such a disparity between him and Brothers
Is it mostly injury-related?
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It's almost all injury related.
Until he shows he could put up a full season, I’m just a little worried that Weathers will be on and off the DL. There’s also a bit of an age issue too, albeit that’s less important with relief arms.
It's hard to believe that Weathers is the same age as Greg Reynolds..
that being said though, Casey had the highest SO/9 (12.1) in the minors. Unless you count Huston Street’s rehab (13.5).
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Tim Wheeler
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Wheeler? He’s not on your list, is that out of oversight or was it purposeful? He’s had a pretty disappointing season for a first rounder who was supposed to be solid all around but not spectacular at anything. He’s going to drop pretty far from the last PuRP voting, but falling off of your list would be pretty telling.
Sort of both.
I was going to mention him as an aside. From about 28 into the 40’s I see the prospects as largely interchangeable, and Wheeler would certainly be in that pool. I definitely feel I might be underestimating him by cutting him out, he’s got decent potential (I’d say 3.5 WAR) but I’m seeing a very large risk that he just doesn’t make it to an MLB level after this season’s disappointing performance.
Do you think he'll be in Tulsa next year?
That’s kinda huge for me.
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It's likely. Who else are you going to put there?
Yeah, looking at it more closely, I think I am being too hard on him in regards to that floor. He’s at least in Mesa’s territory. He’ll likely be the ranking I most regret next year.
Wheeler is a tough case to crack - i struggled with where to put him
I agree that you are probably too hard on him, considering the slew of relatively low impact relievers ahead of him, and especially since he skipped a level (Asheville) this season.
But on the other hand, his stock was highest on draft day, and I wasn’t a huge fan of him then due to defense as a CF and power as a corner OF. I’m willing to see how his season starts in Tulsa, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he falls rapidly on the next list
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 2:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't enter a poll last year, but he would have been @ 15-ish
The system was weaker then. Acknowledging my mistake here, I’d probably rank him around Paulsen at 22 or 23 if I did the list over, but I’m not too upset about it since my underrating him is probably made up by others overrating him. His position on the cumulative poll won’t be nearly as disappointing as other players with higher potential.
what are you, a lawyer?
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No. I’ve been missing PuRPs polls lately. It’s a long story that won’t make much sense. Almost didn’t put in a list this time, either.
I'm glad you did.
It’s a solid list and you backed it up well. I hope you didn’t take too much offense at my questions about it.
Absolutely not
It was perfectly legitimate criticism, which I can agree on. All you did was give me some changes to watch for next time, that is all.
Out of curiosity
Where did you rank him last year at this time.
Also got to say, I think some of you are overstating his disappointing season. Was it less than we hoped for, yes. But it wasn’t as poor as some of you are implying.
I find this statment to be a bit odd
About Dickerson “His numbers at Casper were solid enough to make him a legitimate prospect to watch in 2011.” His numbers in Casper are downright amazing, and I would say his numbers are better than Ortega’s. Consider he is 4th in OPS in that league, and has an OPS 100 points better than Ortega. I think I would call them something better than “solid enough”
You're a little prickly about semantics today.
I’m sorry I didn’t word that exactly right for your liking. The numbers aren’t “downright amazing” though, or you wouldn’t have two other 21 year olds in the league putting up something similar. Yeah, his OPS is .100 points more than Ortega, but he’s two years older. That’s a huge difference in prospect terms. In 2003, Brewers prospect Lou Palmisano’s OPS was .100 points higher than Ian Stewart’s, which was impressive for his age. Stewart was 18, Palmisano was 20. Guess how much MLB production the Brewers or any other team has received from Palmisano? Zero. There’s always a risk there that a particularly polished bat can put up a mirage season in the Pioneer League that has you expecting great things only to leave you disappointed down the road. That risk is actually there with Ortega too, albeit it’s less of one.
Look, if you really read what I said, you’ll see that Dickerson’s in the category where I can realistically see a contention level MLB performance from him. That’s a long limb I’m going out on for a 21 year old.
I should say a 21 year old at that level...
It’s a much shorter limb to go out on for somebody like Rosario.
Fair enough
I’m just being picky about the wording, just like you were a few days ago with my list. Either way, I am interested in seeing these two develop together. I’m looking forward to seeing what they do next year in Ashville with Parker hopefully in the mix.
I was wondering, what the defensive potential of each player is. I am assuming that Ortega has Dickerson beat there.
yes, from what I understand he does, and that's actually a big part of the reason he's got such a high ceiling
As he’s more likely than Dickerson to stick in and be an asset in center field (he’s played 65 games there this year, Dickerson just two).
Thats what I thought
Center field it’s self should give quite a boost in potential value defensively.
ill back this up
In the four games I saw, Ortega definitely appeared to be the superior defender, SSS
and all.
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Rookie List
First post here, very excited! I love talking about prospects and young players, in any sport. Just couldn’t help myself from posting on this one.
Tier 1:
1. Tyler Matzek
I put Matzek in his own tier just because I think he’s the only player in our system that has true elite-superstar type ability.
Tier 2:
2. Christian Friedrich
3. Wilin Rosario
No surprises here. A little sad Friedrich didn’t dominate this year like last year and Rosario’s injury is certainly upsetting. However, they both combine high potential with high probability at positions of scarcity.
Tier 3:
4. Chris Nelson
5. Kyle Parker
6. Peter Tago
7. Nolan Arenado
8. Chad Bettis
9. Charlie Blackmon
10. Will Swanner
I put much higher value on higher ceilings/athletes vs. minor league performance/higher floors in prospect ratings and this tier is where that becomes apparent (its probably also why I favor systems like the Phillies over the Twins). Also, I still have a man-crush on Chris Nelson so please forgive me.
Tier 4:
11. Hector Gomez
12. Rafael Ortega
13. Albert Campos
14. Tim Wheeler
15. Rex Brothers
16. Casey Weathers
17. Rosell Herrera
Really more of the same as tier 3 but I think the probability of these guys actually reaching their ceilings is lower. I also stuck our two relievers (Brothers, Weathers) in here because while relievers have less value than starters, I’d rather have high level relievers than low level starters which I believe is all we have left after this tier.
Tier 5:
18. Josh Slaats
19. Juan Nicasio
20. Sam Deduno
21. Bruce Billings
22. Corey Dickerson
23. Ethan Hollingsworth
24. Ben Paulsen
25. Matt Reynolds
Really my “floor” tier. I think you can find average/back end rotation/bench players anywhere so I don’t really value them very highly. That’s not to say they’re of no use though, anybody who can contribute while making peanuts has value. There’s also some interesting guys in this tier who could make for pretty good relievers, I just don’t think they have the pure stuff that Brothers/Weathers have to make it to the previous tier.
Tier 6:
26. Jordan Pacheco
27. Cory Riordan
28. Cole Garner
29. Mike McKenry
30. Eliezer Mesa
To be honest, I’m just filling out my ballot at this point after reading what people have said about these players. Realistically, my depth of knowledge about our prospects ended right at the end of the previous tier.
Thanks! That was tons of fun!
I am now in the process of compiling your lists into the Fall 2010 PuRP list. The results should be out by Friday
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