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Optimism was palpable in the Rockies' clubhouse afterward, not seen at this level since the all-star break.

Before the season, the Rockies were the sexy pick for a division champion, and in some cases, World Series champion.  They are now on the periphery of contention (though you couldn't tell by looking at them), but you can't blame these three.  Ubaldo Jimenez and Carlos Gonzalez have taken unforseen leaps to superstardom, and Troy Tulowitzki is hitting like a clean-up hitter despite lingering wrist soreness from his broken hamate bone.  

The above quote comes from Troy Renck's game wrap of Ubaldo Jimenez' 18th win yesterday.  Even though it took six tries to break the franchise record for wins, he still has five more starts to reach 20.  

The season has developed into an unusual situation.  Coming into the season, the strength of the Rockies wasn't necessarily starpower but depth and quality of role players.  Now, the Rockies are clearly led by their three star players.  I don't know what is more surprising: that a potential 20 game winner from a Rockie with a 2.79 ERA and 2.30 ERA is not a consensus Cy Young winner, that Carlos Gonzalez is a handful of home runs from leading all three triple crown categories, or that Troy Tulowitzki has been so incredibly productive (and powerful) immediately after returning from a broken hamate bone.

 Tulowitzki was hitting .306 with 34 RBIs in 235 at-bats before his return on July 27. Since then, he has hit .345 with 30 RBIs in 139 at-bats.

Maybe Carlos Gonzalez' hitting barrage in the last month is due to Tulowitzki looming behind him.  Maybe Tulowitzki is hitting better since Gonzalez is on base more (his OBP has shot up 40 points since Tulo returned).  More likely, they are feeding off each other.  That above line comes from an Armstrong/Renck feature on Tulo.

"We feel really comfortable hitting together. We're showing to everybody that we can lift the team." - Carlos Gonzalez, via Dave Krieger

Dave Krieger also profiled the optimism in the clubhouse, intertwining the angle of Ubaldo/Cargo/Tulo, and concluding that believing in the Rockies is not delusional.  

"People have doubted us this whole year, they've said we don't have what it takes, and we kind of feed off that. We know we can finish, we've done it in the past, so that's in the back of our minds. And at home, we have this nice stretch here. We can get back in this thing real quick." - Troy Tulowitzki, via Dave Krieger

More links after the jump.

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Daley, Francis throw final rehab outings | ColoradoRockies.com: News - Both will return to the Rockies soon, and Francis is open to returning as a reliever, which would relieve the Rockies' rotation cluster.

Payton, Escalona on way to join Rockies | All Things Rockies
Jay Payton's promotion jives with Troy Renck's premonition, as the Rockies chose to reward the grizzled veteran with a good season instead of the 25-year-old home-grown outfielder with better numbers in Cole Garner.  Color me confused, as Garner can leave the organization this offseason as a minor league free agent.

Johnny Cueto will indeed pitch for the Reds tonight.  For a while, it was probable that Cueto would be late in returning to the country from a funeral, leading to Edinson Volquez pitching instead.  But Volquez went ahead with a rehab start last night, and Cueto will be on the mound for Cincy tonight.

Chapman's high-speed pitches leave impression on tulowitzki - The Denver Post - Troy Tulowizki, who was the only batter Chapman retired in four tries, was impressed with the Cuban rookie, though he tagged him as "unpolished."  Jim Armstrong has some very fascinating stats regarding CarGo and the Rockies' record against division-leaders in the notes.

Baseball Prospectus | Checking the Numbers: Freaky Concerns - Eric Seidman examines the pitch f/x data on Tim Lincecum at great detail.  Generally, his slider has more velocity and break, but he has lost a lot of velocity and break on his fastball, causing him to throw it a lot less.  Unless he suddenly adds velocity again, we won't see the previous Cy Young version of The Freak again.

Mat Latos was scratched from his start last night with the flu but will pitch tonight.  The Padres won last night anyway with Tim Stauffer "starting."  On a normal five-day rotation, Latos would be pushed to pitching Sunday.  However, since they are limiting his innings, it is now quite possible the Rockies will see Latos in their series at Coors Field next week.

Top Five Rockies Prospects To Watch In 2011 - SB Nation Denver Russ compiled a list of top prospects to watch as the PuRPs polls closed yesterday.  I guarantee that you don't have all five on your list.
Kyle Parker is just one of five Rockies prospects we should follow in 2011.

Rockies Jason Giambi fielding questions in next "Fan Mail" | All Things Rockies If you ever wanted to ask The Giambino a question, here is your chance.

Asheville Scouting Trip 2010 - Purple Row Last but certainly not least, check Muzia's FanPost with pictures and video of all your favorite Asheville Tourists, including overall top prospect Tyler Matzek.

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Which is more surprising?
Ubaldo Jimenez is on pace to be 21-7 with a 2.79 ERA while pitching half his games at Coors (and posting a 2.30 road ERA), yet he is a not a slam dunk to win the Cy Young Award
88 votes
At just 24 and in his first full season with the Rockies, Carlos Gonzalez is 4 HR shy of leading all three Triple Crown categories - in September.
242 votes
In 100 less ABs, Troy Tulowitzki is hitting 40 points higher and is just 3 HR and 4 RBI shy of his pre-DL production. Broken hamate bones are supposed to debilitate power hitters.
36 votes

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one of my five prospects to watch doesn’t qualify as a rookie and probably isn’t considered a prospect by anyone else any longer, no one will have him on any list.

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by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2010 8:05 AM MDT reply actions  

I did have

him on my list. I am an idiot however.

by dsmba on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Little Pony and EYJr

Need to have more meetings of the minds. I remember hearing that they met after the Phillies games to talk about things.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 8:14 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it was Dex and EY

but your point stands.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think I self edited that 3 times

Since I couldn’t remember if it was Dex or EY

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll give you something else I found really surprising

According to baseballreference WAR, Tulo has a higher WAR than Cargo despite A: missing 39 games this season and B: Cargo being in contention for the triple crown.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I would think that's more telling of the state of the shortstop position than anything.

As the steriod era wanes, it seems that guys like Tulo are becoming the rarity, rather than the rule.

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think WAR is bogus

The best things in life are Tulo dingers, Ubaldo strikeouts, and uh, yeah.

by squalene203 on Sep 7, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Isn't WAR negatively affected by flawed defensive metrics?

That are especially skewed against Coors Field outfielders.

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that's what's going on here though

Cargo’s home defensive numbers are better than his road defensive numbers

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if it's a difference of reading balls off the bats

As you would figure that the flight patterns change significantly at altitude and players for the Rockies would have more field to field adjustment issues than most.

My other theory is that our advance scouting just doesn’t do a great job of placing them. But for whatever reason, we’ve never had a well liked outfield overall by defensive metrics, but players (like Cargo) that have done well in other locales.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

This would be a very interesting topic to explore

In the offseason I might look into defensive numbers of Rockies outfielders at home vs. on the road and see if there’s anything there because it does seem odd how low all the Rockies outfielders are ranked by all defensive metrics.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's worth considering

but also consider the HUGE SSS issue with looking at home/road splits for guys that haven’t been here long

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Cargo was more surprising

Ubaldo laid the ground work for this season during the second half of last year, so his consistency this year isn’t all that surprising. Plus, I am not surprised that he is being looked over in the Cy Young because he plays in the mountain time zone…

Cargo also had a great second half last year, but come on, did anyone see a 30-30 guy with a .340 batting average? Not me. I would have been happy with .300, 20hr and 20 steals.

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by BittenAnkles on Sep 7, 2010 8:28 AM MDT reply actions  

This

I always thought Cargo would be good but never in my wildest dreams did I think his ceiling would be this high. This is insane.

And the scariest thing for our competition is that Cargo is just now learning plate discipline. His biggest weakness (up until a couple of weeks ago at least) is that he wouldn’t walk that much and that draged his OBP down. It looks like he’s starting to figure that out and if that’s the case the Cargo-Tulo combination will strike the fear of God into opposing pitcher’s hearts for years to come.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted for Cargo because the triple crown is so so so so hard to get

and he is THAT close and he is only 24 right now not 25 :)

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 7, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

i keep doing that, but not for long

His birthday is next month

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 8:52 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like the fact that both Cargo and Tulo were born in October

I hope it leads to many happy birthdays for both of them for years to come.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

hopefully we will be playing ball while Tulo turns 26 and Cargo turns 25

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, now I'm really sucked back in.

Win a series against the Dodgers? Check.
Win a road series? Check.
Sweep a road series? Check.
CarGo hitting well on the road? Check.
Win #18 for Ubaldo? Check.

That takes care of the things that I worried might be impossible this year. Yay.

Now if only the Bums and the Snakes could do the Rockies a favor and beat the Padres & the Giants…

(Also, we’ve got three Matts in the bullpen now, don’t we?)

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by glaucophane on Sep 7, 2010 8:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes, and there is some possibility that all three of them will be together in next year's pen, making it 3/7ths Matts.

Though Daley is probably not a favorite to make the opening day bullpen next year in its current situation.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

yay

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe a Rockies welcome mat

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

too close to Latos

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I voted Ubaldo

Mostly because I didn’t believe I would see the day that a Rockies pitcher would ever have a sub 3 era.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

This

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yesterday was the final day of play for every minor league team in the system except Modesto and Casper.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 8:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Various minor leaguers are tweeting about their trips home.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

it is looking likely that i will catch the Ghosts game tonight

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 8:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Campos pitching tonight, I think.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

that is what i was thinking

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm back to take my beating

Last week I came on here and said that a sweep of San Diego was “out of the question” because of the way the Rockies have played on the road all year.

I’m sorry Rockies, I’ll never doubt you again.

by oppo17 on Sep 7, 2010 9:04 AM MDT reply actions  

It's their home away from home, I guess.

They seem to have the Padres number as the Dodgers have had ours last few years.

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it was Andrew Fisher that pointed out the other day....

… that there’s a circle of ownage in the NL West. We own the Padres, the Padres own the Giants, the Giants own the Dodgers, and the Dodgers own us.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully some of that holds up with all these division games down the stretch.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a late-season 3-way tie at some point. Round Robin!

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's weird though

The Rockies can’t hit on the road wherever they go and then they go to the most pitcher friendly park in all of baseball and start scoring runs. My head feels like it’s going to explode when I try to think how that’s possible

by oppo17 on Sep 7, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

no, keep doubting

they finally started playing well as soon as we all doubted them

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

you just keep your head shaved.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

but it itches and looks funny

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

your point being?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey guys

I was at the Phillies/Rockies game last Thursday (thanks for all the awesome advice you gave). I’ve got to say, Phillies fans are the NL equivalent of Yankees fans. Oh man. We were surrounded by them (row 26 behind the Rockies dugout), and they were drunk, loud, and obnoxious. Then they started chanting ’Let’s Go Phillies’… wow. I mean, I’ve got no problem with you cheering for your team in an opposing stadium. But these guys were just over the top.

All in all though, the stadium was beautiful, all the Rockies fans in our section were awesome (and very knowledgeable), and the weather was gorgeous. I’m definitely pulling for the Rockies in the West division now…

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by NewYorkOriole on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 AM MDT reply actions  

The Rockies fans were knowledgeable?

That’s honestly a surprise.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

People have started paying attention lately.

It’s still kind of a Dudebro chad-and-becky fest. But people know the numbers. Even in the ‘burbs which is pretty Bronco focused, people are cheering loudly at my neighborhood Old C’s at wins and big hits, etc.

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

chad-and-becky fest

I don’t even know what that means, but I lol’d

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

“chads” = dudebros. aka: nicks, jordans (aka: gordos).

“beckys” = stellas, woo-girls (drunk, pink logoed baseball hats), ashleys

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

this is awesome.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the support

I was thrilled to see that your Orioles beat the Yankees yesterday. The O’s have been playing some really good ball lately.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Any day the O's beat the Yankees is a good day, no matter what the standings may say :-)

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only thing that still bothers me about Rox fans

is the lack of curtain calls. I am watching the game sometimes and thinking, would the fans please stand up and bring Cargo out for a curtain call. He has been amazing lately and carrying this offense for the most part. Give him the applause he deserves. Other than that, I think the fans really do have some baseball knowledge, and are improving every year.

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by smokinRox on Sep 7, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Say what? Are you joking?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope, not joking.

I’ve seen many standing-O’s over the years that just had me shaking my head.

It’s like we have come to expect poor pitching performances at Coors,so anything mediocre or better is lauded as awesome.

Not HERE on PR… but Coors crowds in general.

But HEY, I much prefer that to the opposite. I’m not asking for our fans to be like Philly fans or anything…

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt they Standing-O'd when Manny DelCarmen blew up last week.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I kinda did because he is a Red Sox

then I remembered we traded for him

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

My first realization of this @ Coors was when I saw Bret Saberhagen's first Rockies game in person

He really just barely survived out there, and “we” gave him a Standing O. Now, I know that was mostly because oh-wow-gee-we-are-so-fortunate-to-have-you-actually-put-on-a-Rockies-uniform-you-are-awesome-and-you-make-us-feel-awesome-too and less about his pitching performance, but stil….

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

In their defense..

Rockies fans are used to seeing bombs at home. But quality starts are a rarity until lately. And it’s not all due to the humidor. Give this staff some credit (not meant towards RMN, just a general observation).

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

True, but I'd rather over-do just a little

it would remind me more of STL fans, who I still think are some of the best in baseball, and many players, not named Colby Rasmus, love to play there for that reason.

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by smokinRox on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Standing Os are overdone everywhere these days. Sports, theater, you name it

but at least it shows fans are actually paying some attention the game, so it’s a good sign. Much better than the wave.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someday , we'll have a standing O wave....and the world will end as we know it.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have yet to see a standing O at a movie, but I know it's coming...

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, I did once.

At the most recent Star Trek movie premiere. Swear to God, people stood up and applauded. I applauded, but did not stand up.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

So before Tulo starting hitting all these home runs the last few games

he said he couldn’t hit for power and had to change his swing due to lingering discomfort in his wrist. Is it possible that he knew his wrist was feeling better and said this to lure pitchers into a false sense of security so they would give him better pitches thinking he wouldn’t be likely to hit them out.

by oppo17 on Sep 7, 2010 9:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Even though I doubt this actually happened

I like this theory

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or

A liitle weakness in the wrist actually helps keep him from over-swinging?

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Voted for CarGo

Tulo is money in the 2nd 1/2 of the season!

Ubaldo is the best pitcher the Rockies have ever had and is a true ace for this team. I predict that this season will not be he his best season as a Rockie.

Enough of this mediocrity...win the NL West title!

by TripleT-Rox on Sep 7, 2010 9:29 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it's safe to say Tulo's wrist didn't cause a power outage

That was another BOMB yesterday. He’s been hitting blasts lately (those 2 dead CF HR’s against SD)

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Seeing how Volquez owned us earlier in the season

Color me relieved we’re not getting him this series.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 9:39 AM MDT reply actions  

it was just a lucky start by him

1st start off DL…adrenaline etc i knew he would suck after that and color me shocked he has sucked since then with no control what so ever and that’s why he is not even on the roster right now lol

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 7, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

i wish and i hoped he would pitch in this series

rather face him than Arroyo or Wood

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 7, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Rockies.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Go Team.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I failed

at replying properly :(

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Olivo's a joke, Tulos broke, Our Road Offense is DOA

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Dope on antlers?

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by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

At least we aren't the Pirates

who are stuck in reverse.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

It just hasn't been our day.

Our week.

Our month.

Or even our year.

by Shoemaker on Sep 7, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

but

i’ll be there for tulo
when clint barmes drops the ball
i’ll be there for tulo
when jim joyce blows the call

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be there for Tu-loooo

though that mullet has to goooooo

/guitar lick

by Shoemaker on Sep 7, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

stuck in 2nd gear

in a third world country
playing for a fourth place team
surrounded by fifth place talent
with sixth place ambitions

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

But aiming for Seventh Heaven.

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by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

and those pieces of eight

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's like we're always stuck in third place....

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tulo says

come see me in the homer/rbi categories haha

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16 for 27

O.M.G.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

And 5 of the 7 games in the last 7 days have been in San Francisco and San Diego

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's only making $2,500 a game too

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow compared to Arod

40K an at bat

time to make another run to the postseason....get it going guys!!

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by TuLoRocks2008 on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

How much is that per hit?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Morning all

Tuesday……it’s a good day to be a fan of the major league baseball team that takes up residence in the city of Denver.

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM MDT reply actions  

go Avalanche.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Rockies

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

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Go Crapids

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Better not be saying that

to our eventual Rapids blogger.

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Boooooooooo

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Go Real SL!

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Nuggets

whatever….I still like them

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go Coloardo Rockies Major Leauge Baseball Club!

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rolls off the tongue doesn't it?

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

it really does.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

We have one of those?

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by Russ Oates on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go my favorite sports team!

Defeat the opposing team soundly in the skirmish!

by Shoemaker on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

rally cry of the day!!

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love this

"Whenever I see an old lady slip and fall on a wet sidewalk, my first instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny."
Jack Handy quote

by smokinRox on Sep 7, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brian Regan for the win.

Score a goal basket unit!

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

*Cough*Go Broncos

It was the only one left. And I do loves them.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Zombies?

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 12:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

This.

The lack of Seth Smith's beard is irrational
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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Outlaws!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Go Ponies,

And while we’re at it:

Go Unicorns

I still believe...
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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

OT: Just wakin up in the mornin gotta thank god

I dunno but today seems kinda odd

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 AM MDT reply actions  

When I woke up this morning

it ws 37 degrees outside here in the Fort…argh.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep.....Fall is in it's way

These are the days when 32 feels like 64….lol

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol indeed...

I’m planning a “fall colors” photo shoot in the Redstone/Marble area in a couple of weeks…hopefully I don’t freeze my tiny little buns off…

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Marble's beautiful..

do they still hold the Marble Sculptor’s event out there?

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

No too sure if they do or not

It really is one of my favorite places in Colorado.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is on my bucket list..

At the Marble Symposium they give you a 3’ block to sculpt.

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

....no barking from the dog....no smog

and momma cooked a breakfast with no hog

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

come on guys! I'm rappin!

Things gotta be good for the Rockies! lol

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know.....I have to lay off the Ice Cube referrences I guess. lol

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Any day when I don't have to use my AK is a fine one indeed

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is a baseball blog

I messed around and got a triple and a double

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I feel the same.

I wonder if there’s some way to incorporate some of the less PG lyrics. Getting a beep from Kim, for example.

by Bokosse on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

and she can ________ allllllllll night

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd still have have

bacon for breakfast though

#11

by Rosenort on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Clearly...

Eating hog at breakfast would have shot his WAR to hell. I think his mom made a good move by not serving any.

by Bokosse on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

when you think about it....his momma was thinking ahead

don’t want to be dragging because you had a whole pig for breakfast

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, I'm definitely thankful PR is such a nice community.

Reading through yesterday’s Reds GT is just..terrible. Yikes.

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 10:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Huh?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

On the Reds blog.

Not at PR lol.

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

well

PR is hard to navigate.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

What does everyone think of this idea?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think that idea’s terrible, especially in baseball, of all sports, where any team can beat anyone on any given day.

by Bokosse on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right now, the AL gap projects to be a full seven games

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's the biggest I've seen for the Wild Card in a long, long time if ever

Plus this scenario makes the battle between the Yankees and Rays a million times more interesting

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE IT

MLB is not the NBA or NHL.

One wild card is interesting, and has helped maintain interest in the game. But the day a 3rd place team in a four team division can theoretically make the playoffs, is the day baseball goes to the garbage.

If the Blue Jays want to make the playoffs, they need to get at least as good as the Tampa Bay Rays.

I’m so effin’ sick and tired of east coast writers trying to come up with solutions to mythical problems, especially only when they appear to benefit maligned east coast teams.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is not going to help the east coast teams

In 6 of the last 7 years the Wild Card in the AL has been either the Red Sox or the Yankess. These would be the teams hurt by this one game elimination scenario.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, but given how it's being proposed now, and it hasn't been the last 6-7 years...

….Verducci’s bias here is evident. Because it’s far more likely the “2nd” WC team would be the Red Sox this year, and not the Blue Jays…

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fine let him propose it now

This would hurt the Red Sox and Yankees most in the long run

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, the hidden subtext here is...

….the fact that the Red Sox are done for this year.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

HAHA

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Horrible Idea.

Want to have more people watch playoff baseball? How about put all playoff games on free over the air tv – and not split it between Cable and Fox.

Don’t start the games so late that people can’t watch them even if they wanted too.

And starting off that their is no meaningful baseball this September isn’t paying attention to the NL West race and the Wild Card race…

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

NL East division race is a half game right now too

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think what he means by

“no meaningful baseball” is that there is not “Yankees vs. Boston” baseball that is meaningful right now.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

This x1000000000000000000000000000000000

eff the Yankees. eff the Red Sox. eff Tom Verducci.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Top 7 teams in the NL all within 6 games

and all of them within 4.5 games of a playoff bid with close to 30 games to play.

Anybody who says there is no meaningful baseball being played right now deserves to be condemned to a world where AL baseball is the only baseball.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying there's no meaningful baseball

I’m saying we can take something that’s already great and make it even better

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of Verducci

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not about more people watching playoff baseball

It’s about adding even more drama to September. The Phils/Braves race is meaningless right now unless one of them crashes to the point where they blow the Wild Card.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt Braves' fans consider it meaningless given their team's large home/road splits

They want home field

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

History suggests it's meaningless

Wild Card teams win just as much as teams with home field

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not every team in your sample has had as large of a home/road disparity

I’m pretty sure we would want home field as well and wouldn’t say “History says it doesn’t matter. Look at the 1997 Marlins…”

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Okay

I’ll give you that it matters to the Braves but it would matter a whole lot more to the Braves if they knew that teh penalty for finishing second was a one game elimination.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

adding one game

at the end of september does not make September more interesting.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

tell me that in December.

you would kill for one more game

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me personally yes.

But the general public – probably not so much.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Holiday in Cambodia?

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rumor:

Matt Holliday traded to Cambodia Dragons.

Source:

Purple Row.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

St Louis Cardinals Uber Alles

St Louis Cardinals Uber Alles
Uber Alles St Louis
Uber Alles St Louis

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

But it does

Look at the AL as an example right now. The only thing that matters is Twins vs. White Sox. In this scenario you now make the battle between the Rays and Yankees WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more interesting because the loser is going to be penilized and you now also set up a great race to get into the play in game between Chicago, Boston and Toronto.

That’s a whole hell of a lot more drama than there is right now

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's the AL

they don’t even play real baseball…

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boy that's for sure

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, Yanks and Rays are already interseting now, and...

…the loser is already penalized now.

The winner gets home field advantage in their series. The loser, will not have home field advantage in their first round playoff series.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

But it could be so much more interesting if the loser had to host a play in game

I have stated on this blog for months that I think the division winners need to be reward way more for their accomplishments and the Wild Card team needs some sort of a penalty. I think this does just that.

Plus it will screw the Yankees and Red Sox over the long haul

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why should

the Wild Card team be penalized so much?

Right now the top two teams in the AL East have better records than both the division leaders of the Central and West – why should the better team have to be penalized for having a better record?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

They should be penalized because they did not win their division

Second place is second place and not penalizing a team for that sucks a whole lot of drama out of division races between the two best teams. That’s bad for baseball.

The real genius in the one game playoff between the Wild Cards is that you actually make the 162 game season more important because winning your division is now really key.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

So being better than

every other team in the AL besides the team who finished right in front of you means you should be punished?

Now that is just plain stupid – and why this will never work.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

That team has two chances to get into the playoffs

1) Win your division
2) Win the play in game which will be at home with your Ace on the mound

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

ps.

you should totally sue this guy for stealing your playoff “fix” even though it is horribly wrong.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Yeah it does have a lot of similarities to mine

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

mostly about

how horribly wrong it is ;)

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad that I know I'm not alone anymore

When I brought up my idea it was a wild dream thing for offseason discussion but I got pretty excited to see someone else actually pushing a simular idea.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hated the idea of a wild card

when they proposed it and now I love it. I hate this idea with a passion, but have to admit that it would add more drama in september. I’m not sure more drama is september is really going to fix T.V. ratings and I believe it weakens the sport of baseball overall. I would definitely watch those games and look forward to them though.

by arpagamos on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

And that's the point

People will look forward to those games because Americans love sporting events that are decided in one.

Wild Card Monday would become a day every sports fan in this country will look forward too and it would be an awesome way to kick off the playoffs every single year.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

no.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

not a chance.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would

but I watch baseball on Fox even when it isn’t the Rockies playing. The general population not at all.

Baseball will never have the audience reach that Football does. Ever. And this idea would do nothing to grow the fanbase.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where did it rank

for TV ratings that week? And what was it up against?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

my birthday.

To a certain extent, I think single elimination games pique the interest. If not in the public at large, at least in baseball fans who might not be rabid enough to watch anyone in the playoffs if their team isn’t in it.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

TBH here

I didn’t watch that game last year.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

because it was my birthday.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was shoppin.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

wimmen be doin that

from time to time.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably shoppin

for weenies.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

They weren't even in the top 25

viewed shows on cable that week.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where do you see this?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't knwo the actual numbers

can only find the top 25 that week:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/06/cable-ratings-monday-night-football-suite-life-on-deck-and-the-ultimate-fighter-top-weekly-cable-charts/29638

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know what would have made more people watch it?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

but yes.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

If it was an annual occurance

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Having all playoff games

be available on free TV.

If it becomes an annual occurrence it loses its appeal. What happens if their has to be a one game elimination to get into the one game elimination?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Comparing those

major sporting events to a “wild card elimination game” is silly. Just plain silly.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying nobody is involved

I’m just saying you could get more people involved

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think by doing the playin

you eliminate some of the existing excitement of the September races. Oftentimes the WC is a two-team race down to the wire. Now that doesn’t matter, because they’re going to play a 1-game playoff anyway. Excitement in September sacrificed for one game in October.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

is why I’m against it. This idea turns a 162 game season into a one game playoff. While I’m sure the games would be fun they don’t represent baseball.

by arpagamos on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again

What everybody seems to be missing here is that this system would make the 162 game season more important because now division races like Braves/Phils and Rays/Yankees become a whole lot more important for those teams. This is not going to take away the importance of the 162 game season but instead make it more important.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

It makes the division race more important

but it takes away importance from a wild card race. Let’s say the Rays were 5 games farther back than they are now, and in a race with the Sawx. Would that race really mean anything if both teams knew they were going to end up playing a 1 game play-in anyway?

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes because there are four team in that race now

Tampa, Toronto, Boston, and Chicago would all be trying to grab the top two spots.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

But that's not always going to be the case

and it might not last all the way through September.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Chicago is already trying to win their division

so it’s not as if they’re not in a race. All it really does is give Toronto a second life, even though they’re 14.5 games out in their division.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

So now Chicago is in two races

All of a sudden White Sox fans would be following the results of not just Twins games but also Tampa, Boston, and Toronto games. An entire fanbase interesting in three more games every night is great for the sport.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

And this is one thing about the NFL that I think other sports should try to emulate

I’m not saying that MLB has to be like the NFL, I just think that having one team’s fanbase really interested in other team’s games is healthy for the sport.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

much of the intrigue of the football season

is that there are so few games compared to other sports.

It’s a unique model that cannot be recreated

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

but you are ignoring the BIG piece of why the NFL is successful

there’s a mystique that every game, transaction, play, snap, second counts. And they have milked it into a network and multi billion dollar empire.

Baseball doesn’t have that. Baseball has “good eye” and “we’ll get ’em tomorrow”

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

football

is the biggest scam on the face of the planet.

Per 60 minute game – there is only 11 minutes of actual play time.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

damn, I thought it was 6 minutes

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is a narrowminded approach

I realize the two sports are extremely different but that does not mean that they can’t learn lessons from each other.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

the NFL is built on 1-game tension

MLB is not, so trying to suddenly get everyone to take an NFL type approach is an insult to baseball.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

In the regular season yes

In the postseason however, MLB tension can become much more like NFL tension

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

Two completely different games they build tension differently because of that tension.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

interesting interested

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

My issue is that

The Rays are 6 games ahead of the next contender for the wild card. Under these rules they could possibly see there season end in one game by loosing to a team they were six games a head of at the end of the season. That’s not baseball and ultimately why this is bad idea.

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thank you.

Baseball is never about one game.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

See the funny thing is that I completely agree with this

The point is that you have 162 GAMES to avoid making it about one game. If you don’t get it done in 162, then you should be subjected to the flukiness of one.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

How have the

Rays not gotten it done this year?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

They’re the #2 team in the AL. If we want to do this, at least make it the #4 and 5 teams in the league, regardless of division. I’d say TB has earned more by their record than Texas has by being in a division with 3 teams that can’t play .500 ball. In fact, Chicago and Boston both have better records than the Rangers do now.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well they aren't in first place

The 1993 Giant won 100+ games and didn’t make it.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

well

I don’t think a six game deficit (or any deficit) should be erased in a one game playoff. There are too many variables.

by arpagamos on Sep 7, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

again, faulty argument

a 1-game play-in is one of those things that happens by chance which makes it exciting. You can’t schedule that kind of excitement.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

the NFL

is completely different than any other sport. There is a reason why the NBA and NHL don’t do this as well.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just because they don't do it doesn't mean it's not what should be done

Look,I love the Wild Card but the major downside of it is that it ruins great races like Phils/Braves and Rays/Yankees because it works as a safty net in those cases. Teams like this have THE WHOLE SEASON, not just one play in game to avoid being knocked out of the playoffs in this system.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

How is it a safety net?

You still have to be good over 162 games to get into the playoffs right?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

So because two teams

kick ass all year long – the one of them that falls short of the division needs to be punished – even though they have more wins than the other two division winners?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

Due to the schedule (which encourages divisional rivalries), the fairest comparison of records is within the division. Comparing records of teams in other divisions is somewhat useful with the balanced schedule. Comparing records of teams in other leagues is just about meaningless.

So, while I don’t agree with RIRF’s particular solution because of the 1-game aspect, I would say rewarding a division leader in some real fashion is in order. Just saying a team in one division is “better” than a team in another by win/loss record isn’t enough. You need to prove it with a playoff series.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about wild card

teams have to have a smaller roster? A limited number of pitchers or something?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think the 8 divisions of 4 teams each and no Wild Card is the best

which is probably heresy to most Rockies fans, but if it’s really about determining the best team each season, I think that’s the only way to go. With the schedule biased towards division play, each division winner is clearly the best team in that division. Then you have 3 best-of-7 playoff series.

I have to think with 8 divisions, there’d be bound to be a few interesting division races going on in September.

If it’s really about making baseball into a media spectacle to grab some casual fans for one game a year at the cost of alienating the hard-core fans who buy season tickets, satellite packages, and high-cost logo merchandise then make it like the NHL where over half the teams make the playoffs and have all the playoffs be 1-game series. That’d be a sad day for baseball.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

There will not be further expansion to get to 32 teams

Not gonna happen. Not when the latest “expansion” city, DC, can’t support the franchise at all.

And Selig won’t allow a team in Vegas.

What other two cities are actually going to support teams at enough of a financial level?

And post crash, post Tea Party, etc., what cities are actually going to fork over $600m for stadiums?

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably none

We’re getting dangerously close to politics here, but the only reason why some of the most lucrative industries in the nation (sports) don’t have to pay for their own facilities just like everyone else is that politically they don’t have to. In the past 60-70 years teams could hold cities hostage with threats of relocating unless the cities issue bonds on the cities’ credit (rather than the teams’) to build them facilities. Leagues keep expansion down to encourage this and competing leagues are illegal due to the anti-trust exemption the MLB enjoys. A lot of this an artifact of the political/economic climate we’ve had since about the 1920s and is not likely to be sustainable in the 21st century.

There are markets out there which have the economic base but not the political will to attract a team. Look at the larger AAA fanbases to get an idea of where, but the southeast and midwest seem likely to me.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's why it won't happen, even there

TV markets.

There’s simply not enough broadcast revenue bucks in, say, Charlotte.

Fox and ESPN aren’t going to raise their broadcast fees paid to MLB just to add Charlotte, or Richmond, or New Orleans to the league. And adding teams, at the same rights fees, means less $$$ to each existing team.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

But this is exactly why MLB made their own network.

The money that the MLB Network could generate from adding a market like Charlotte or Portland or Vegas will be fairly substantial in a few years.

Really, I don’t see expansion happening until after economy recovers, but it seems to be inevitable.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Though if it did happen...

I’d prefer going to 8-team divisions (back then, there were 8 teams per league), two per league, and if you want 8 playoff teams, take the two two teams in each division.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you did this...

you wouldn’t need expansion. But it “feels” more diluted than the current system, even if it’s not.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

When the weakest division leader

is in the weakest division (hello, Rangers!) I think you can make some pretty useful comparisons.

I can see what RIRF is trying to do, but I think at some point your season has to mean something absolute. We could keep fans in Oakland and Detroit interested now if we had the top 8 teams all engage in 1 game elimination games, but obviously that wouldn’t be fair to the #1 team in the league. Saying that the #1 non-division winner hasn’t earned a playoff spot and all the division winners have is pretty arbitrary. Look at the AL this year for confirmation.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not arbitrary at all

The #2 team in a strong division is clearly not the best team in the MLB (because it’s not even the best team in the division). Teams from other divisions need to prove who’s the best through best-of-N playoff series (the longer, the less arbitrary). This way you arrive at a champion where there’s pretty good agreement that the champion is truly the best team that year.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except it's not that clear that a #2

from a strong division isn’t actually the best team that year. Case in point would be the 2007 Rockies, which were clearly a superior team to the D-backs that year.

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I did say this argument would be heresy on a Rockies board...

The 2007 Rockies got historically hot at the end of the year, won the pennant, and gave me my favorite sports memories of all time in that run (memories which would not exist if the system I’m arguing for existed at the time). The curious thing is that if you include the 4-game playoff series, the Rockies would have the better record between them and the Diamondbacks that year, but sadly the season can’t go on forever and over the 162 games from April to September, Arizona was the better team.

This does bring up an interesting point though. I wonder how much of the Rockies’ success in 2007 accounts for the support for the wild card at PR. :-)

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

but Arizona wasn't the better team

they were the luckier team. 162 games isn’t enough to decide the better team sometimes. This year might actually be another case in point.

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If that's the case

(and I’m not saying it is, but this is more interesting than Rockies fans arguing about whether the 2007 Rockies or D’backs were the “better” team :-) )
then the better system would be one where you had an arbitrary number of playoff teams. Everyone in a division within a certain number of games of the leader would make it, and play down from there. Insert byes as necessary to get up to a power of 2 so the math works. Could be interesting. Of course then the division leaders would have some real incentive to rest up at the end of the season.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

funny, I was actually just trying to conceive

a similar playoff structure myself. It would be radical and everybody remotely traditional would hate it, but I’d find it interesting.

You could even give a trophy/cash prize but no playoff bid to a division winner that truly wasn’t worthy.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Then the #5 team in a league is even more clearly

not the best team in MLB. Why do they now deserve a shot at the playoffs?

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because in order to get through the first round of the playoffs they will have to

A: Be one of the five best teams in their league
B: Win a one game play in
C: Burn thier Ace for the next series against the best team in baseball.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you mean Josh Frog

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

/slays draggons.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Joke from the old MLB boards...

… that AFisher, Korpal, Hollidayrain and I came from.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Never going to happen.

You’d have to have multiple over-the-air networks pay for the rights, because games have to overlap toward the beginning. That would just dilute their ratings. It doesn’t make any sense to have two of the few over-the-air networks showing baseball at one time.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

over used.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

you're joking, right?

that’s trying to manufacture tension, and very few people fall for it

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your not manufacturing tension

You are making winning the division more important by eliminating the safty net aspect of the Wild Card.

Really, why shouldn’t the Wild Card team have to go through this if they fail to win the division?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

because they won the wild card.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

They were the 4th

best – or in the case of this year 2nd best team in their league.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes but to me giving them the same treatment as the division winners is a slap in the face to those teams

Division winner should be >>>>>>>> Wild Card winner.

I don’t believe that’s the case right now.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about the division winners

Each get a larger share of playoff revenue?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's enough

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

This I agree with

“fixing” it by adding yet another chance for a less-than-first-place team that gets hot at the end of the season to make the playoffs is not the answer. Baseball is a marathon and should be. 5-game series and the number of play-in games we’ve had lately are already too big a problem. I wish end-of-season ties were broken by a best-of-3 instead of 1 and that the LDS was a best-of-7, but then we’d have to cut back from the 162-game regular season and there’s no way ownership will go for it.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't view it like this.

The Rays or Yankees did a lot more this year to work for and earn their playoff spot than either the AL Central or AL West division winner will have. Honestly, I think there should be a trophy and possibly a monetary bonus handed out to divisional winners as extra incentive, but I’d like to leave the playoff format alone.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the monetary bonus idea

but to be homest, sometimes winning a division is more of an accomplishment than other times. See the 84 win Cardinals or to a lesser extent this year’s Rangers. It could be argued that giving every divisional winner the same cash bonus is just as unfair as giving a wild card team the same opportunity as a division winner.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel like you are cntradicting yourself here

On one hand you say you think the Rays and Yankees have done the most in the AL but you also want to give a trophy to the winners of the AL West and Central despite achieving less than the loser of the AL EAST race.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not a contradiction

The divisional trophy/monetary reward wouldn’t be an ultimate prize like the WS, just something to make play more interesting and meaningful these last two weeks.

And yeah, it would be a bit unfair to the loser of that race, but that’s sort of the point. It makes it interesting and would feel like teams in strong divisions really are playing for something. The loser of the race still gets a chance to redeem themselves with a pennant or WS title as the wild card recipient, adding another layer of drama and making it not a total loss.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't

As long as the Rockies make the playoffs I’m happy.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

why do you assume

that teams and fans don’t?

Adding the wild card allows for more teams to stay playing meaningful baseball later in the year – increasing revenue for those clubs as they play more games that “mean something” Especially for teams in divisions like the AL East that get dominated yearly by two teams.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about this?

We contract baseball to 16 teams, then we play 4 1 game eliminations in each league in order to pick the playoff teams. As an added bonus, the season could start after the all-star break and still end easily before Labor Day. No more snowed out games.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we just just cut out the middleman

Start the season on October 1st, and the only MLB teams will be the Yankees, Sawx (one color only), Dodgers, Cubs, Mets, and Phillies. Round robin.

/Cubs will still go 100 more years without winning it.

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

sounds like the Toronto Maple Leafs, actually...

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, that doesn't make sense at all

“we need to see if this potentially annual occurrence is well responded to. If it is well responded to, we’ll make it annual.”

“I bet if you made it annual it’d be better responded to”

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

People will watch a one game elimination

I’m confident in that. Ratings of anything go way up when both teams are facing do or die situations

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would people watch if it's the Padres v Rockies

that doesn’t start until 10 pm ET? Sadly, I think not :(

Oh wait, what was the rating for our play-in game ? I don’t have any idea….

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

But the current one-game play-in

is between two teams who are tied.

The WC play-in would potentially eliminate a team who would otherwise already be in the playoffs. I don’t think people would appreciate that.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

But they are not already in the playoffs in this case

You now have to win your division to be safe and I think that putting more emphasis on winning your division is exactly what baseball needs.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I meant that one of those teams would have already been in

under today’s system. Now you’re taking away one guaranteed playoff spot and making two teams play one game for it.

Sure the game might be tense, but I wouldn’t like it’s existence to begin with.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

But that's why it would now be important to win your division

Every team has a chance to avoid a fluke loss in the play in game by playing well enough over the 162 game season and I think that’s fair.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may be fair

but it’s moving backwards from what we have now. I don’t think people are going to go for that.

Also, see my comment above. Doing this likely means less excitement in September.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Doin this does not mean less excitment in September because every division battle means more

The AL would instantly have a bunch more teams playing meaning games if this system was in place.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

But you would still

be punishing the second best team in that league.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

But if a division race is essentially over

by mid-September, yes, you’ve made for less excitement.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Less excitement

in cases where really only two teams have a chance at the WC. And quite often it does come down to only two teams before the end of the season. If those two teams already know they’re going to play each other, and the division is out of reach, you’ve eliminated some meaningful games.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

You could always expand the AL to 16 teams

then re-align each league into 4 4 team divisions. Then only have the 4 division winners make the playoffs.

Of course, that doesn’t guarantee the four best teams from the regular season make the playoffs, or guarantee any important games down the stretch, but neither would forcing the 4th place team to play the 5th place team in order to prove what the 162 game season should already have shown.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like the Wild Card

and I want to keep it. I just think it needs some tweeking

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would not

Because it would be a completely contrived game specifically to try and get ratings. Just like the Pro Bowl in football. Which I never watch.

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by ShadowPenguin on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

there's no way Americans would care

Baseball isn’t a sport of single games, it’s a game of series. 3 games series with the pads. 4 game series with the gints. Single games are usually just due to scheduling snafus.

Why would everyone suddenly want to watch one game if they weren’t already invested in it? It’s not going to attract anyone who wasn’t already interested.

in short, MLB != NFL

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s not going to attract anyone who wasn’t already interested

Not true. Look at ratings in playoff series. The longer the series goes, the higher the ratings get in each game.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok hangon

long series attract more fans

so a one game playoff will probably attract nobody.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Longer series attract more fans because the longer the series goes the closer it is to a game 7

It’s that do or die for both sides that the people are interested in

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or it could be "hey, there's a pretty good slugfest going on over here" I think I'll watch

Whereas with a 1-game series you have no idea which ones will be worth watching before the games are played.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like baseball just the way it is.

I still believe...
This is R year!

by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

So do I

But that doesn’t mean it can’t get even better

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

eh...

BUT …. BUT…. I HATE CHANGE!!!
/rant over

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Change for the sake of change is not always a wise thing

Change is hard.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

whoops also meant to add sometimes change is necessary

A great book about change is “Who Moved My Cheese”….you might already be familiar with it.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Who Moved My Cheese"

Ha, never heard of it, sounds good though. I like cheese. Mmm, sharp cheddar.

Anyways, yeah, why change a good thing? Even if it is better (which I do not see it being), wouldn’t the change itself screw everything up?
I don’t like the way the NBA/NHL playoff spots are set up in particular, and have enjoyed that MLB’s is simple enough and good.

Its good: it doesn’t need perfecting.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

NHL playoffs are really simple
  1. seed v #8 seed

No division snafus like in baseball. Simple.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well,

Harumph!, then!

I don’t like seeds. Why have divisions and conferences when there are seeds. Why have seeds when there are divisions and conferences. Its that simple: I like divisions.
/ptooey
/spits out seeds

But still, you can see my point: why make it any more complicated?

Okay, so, you eat, THEN you spit. Okay.
/ptooey

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

In the NBA, records determine seeding and homecourt.

HUGE advantages to home court.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah.

I can get that part. And I’m not saying we should burn the seeding system for all sports, yada yada. I can definitley see where the NBA and NHL have benifited from the systems (though I think there’s too many teams in their postseason).

I don’t know, I guess all my life its been divisions, wild card. That’s how you make the playoffs (and the same for NFL, I believe.).

Baseball doesn’t need seeds or extra games or anything to perfect the Fall baseball experience. Perfecting could be done, I just think its unnecessary. I love the way its set up, and would have it no other way.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, so?

It worked out fine for us.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because in the NHL at least

division winners are automatically seeds 1-3 which gives them home ice advantages.

I do think the number of teams that make the playoffs in the NHL really hurts the regular season though. Playoff hockey is thrilling. Regular season hockey just doesn’t come close, and part of the reason is that for the good teams you’re just determining seeds for 81 games.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised to find myself not terribly against this idea

 and I’ve always thought of myself as a traditionalist.

I think the traditionalist in me never really liked the wild card, so making the road a bit harder for them makes sense to me. This definitely solves that on multiple levels. For me, it’s not so much the idea of getting another team in the playoffs as it is creating a penalty for not winning the division.

Yes, it doesn’t seem “fair” to penalize a team for not winning its division even when it has a better record than one or both of the other division winners, but the solution to that is simple… WIN YOUR DIVISION.

But if you want to make a really quick, relatively easy, (and totally unrelated) fix to the playoff system, then make the Division Series SEVEN GAMES.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well,

I might like November baseball, but prefer it if it started earlier.

I would hate this change because its a big change, and yeah, I guess I’m a “traditionalist” too.

But you gotta remember, I was born after the Wild Card, and the Wild Card is how its always been for me. So I’m not really a “traditionalist”.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 12:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

This

I don’t really view this idea as adding two teams to the playoffs as much as I view it as creating a tier system in the playoffs

Tier 1 = 6 Division winners
Tier 2 = 4 Wild Cards who have to make it through single elimination games

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Addition with no subtraction

How about we up the number of playoff teams to 8 have the last 2 series of the regular season remain TBD until the playoff teams are decided. The division winners and the top WC get home field through these 3-game series with season records determining opponents. These would count as regular season stats (for continuity) and all games will have to be played (same 162 games). October would be just like it used to the top 2 NL teams and top 2 AL teams compete for the Pennant with a World Series in 7-game series.
Just a thought…….

by Ender-25 on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good Morning...

I voted for Ubaldo because never did I think a Rockies pitcher would be this dominant with such a low ERA. I will not and I hope the CY Voters will not forget how dominant he was in the first half of the season.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

efforting

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

sounds like quite the trip Matt!

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Viewing FYI - Red v Rockies will be on MLB Network on Thursday

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

OT: I just saw the lights of the Goodyear Blimp

and it said Cargo’s a PIMP

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 11:50 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

lol...well done

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sore as hell but the Pony Ain't slowin up

Half way to the crown and his bats still blowin up
Today he didn’t even need to use a passed ball
This is going to be a good fall

(Sorry, I was reaching there towards the end)

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's aight though....well done

although it does bring up the issue of CarGo’s bat integrity. He needs to start using redwood bats or something. lol

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give me some time, I could do the whole song.

With your inspiration of course.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hello, hello. Yes, the andriod is not confiscated yet.

I’m not able to vote yet, but when I am, I will vote for Cargo.

He’s definitely been the biggest surprise: him being mentioned for MVP!

Ubaldo’s been amazing, but I’ve been kinda expecting it, and the organization named him “ace” before the season.

Tulo….I can’t really say I’m surprised, but of course I think Tulo can do anything and I expect him to do that.

Cargo has surprised me the most by stealing the team MVP title and so awesomely: wow!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 12:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Well, I guess we know where Stewart's head is:

IStewart9: I think if Boise State wins out they should definitely go to BCS title game over ANY 1 loss team

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 12:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Are you making an assumption that because he's watching a football game at night at home

that he isn’t thinking about the Rockies….?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we've made this point before.

WHEN does he EVER tweet about baseball?

Doesn’t he know that that’s why people follow him on Twitter?

I’m not asking that he not have a life. I am questioning how much his heart is in the game when, even on the day he is put on the DL, the only thing he has to say on Twitter is about football.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

*sigh*

/shakes head
Oh, Huston.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or Sun Chips

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's a closer

He only needs to care about baseball after about the 8th inning

/ducks and runs

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why I'm asking the question.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I asked the question, because

this has come up before. So I don’t think it was an unreasonable conclusion to assume.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just wish his heart was more with the team.

Like Dex/EY. What do they tweet about? Baseball, the Rockies. At least tell us you ’can’t wait to get back out there’ or ‘good win from the Rox’ but no, he tweets about BOISE STATE? Come on.

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

let's see....

Dex tweeting about

movies
concerts
random fan interactions
cheetos
shopping
and yes, baseball (and related)

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, and that's perfectly cool.

See, he mentions baseball fairly frequently.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

And EY ALSO tweets about baseball.

When does Ian ever tweet about baseball? Ever?

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

it is pretty sparse

but it’s being painted (not by you necessarily) that Dex and EY are all BASEBALL AND NOTHING ELSE and Stew is just about shopping. He answers fan questions about the game at least.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

he also likes telling us where he eats breakfast

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

No problem with that.

Ian is a terrific third baseman, a somewhat-underachieving hitter, and likes a lot of things. It just appears that baseball is not one of the things that he likes, which is a bit discouraging to those of us that actually find the game appealing, and would give just about anything to be in the Show ourselves.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

How in the world

does someone get to the Major Leagues if he doesn’t like baseball?

And how in the world to you jump to that conclusion by what he tweets while injured?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

How do you get that because he's not tweeting about baseball

means he doesn’t like baseball?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

We have people here who tweet about baseball

maybe they should be starting at 3B.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, third base was my native position growing up

I started there or shortstop 6 of 7 years

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 2:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I dont know.

This is a pickle. I’m sure Ian likes baseball, and I’m sure he knows that moslty its baseball fans are following him.

So, why isn’t he talking about baseball? He would make a lot of people happy by doing so.

In his defense, maybe he just wants to share personal stuff, but still…

Not in his defense: My little sister drew some Rockies cartoons last year. They are hilarious.
There is one that depicts him being lazy and sleeping; I couldn’t help but think how right she is.

Ah…maybe someone should ask him why, but til then, it is a mystery…

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

This reminds me of this year's commercial where Ian is slouching in the back of the school room.

Who knows — maybe that’s where some of us got the brain imprint that said Ian was a bum…

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooooh boy I'm swatting hornets how.

Nice, friendly, lady hornets, but hornets none the less.

I’m not going to beat this to death. It’s just a feeling I have… sort of like Larry Walker — what a great player he was, and I’m not making a comparison on playing skills here — but he made no secret of the fact that baseball was a distant second to baseball. He played baseball because he was good at it, but he would have played hockey instead if someone would have paid him. So one can play the game at an extremely high level and not really be overly fond of it. Or, more likely, one can play the game at an underachieving level (yes, Stewart) and not really be overly fond of it.

I’m just guessing, but I’ll bet Ian would rather play football.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

D'oh

distant second to *hockey

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

so if Walker

was a player today and always tweeting about hockey stuff would you doubt his work ethic?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should send him a tweet and ask him if he would

rather play football. Put this whole thing to rest :)

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am just enjoying this banter.

I love you all, really, but we’re making too much of this.

I’m not going to impugn Ian’s baseball-loving-nature anymore, I promise.

I should have stayed out when this thread started. I feel bad for GoRockies!!, whose thread I kind of destroyed singlehandedly.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

He probably appreciates the deflection

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't think it makes that much difference or is telling in anyway.

He may very well be sitting around frustrated as heck that he’s not playing and wants to be. But opts to not tweet about it.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I guess it depends on why he even has a Twitter account at all.

Maybe for him, it would be better if he didn’t. Because some of us are obviously misinterpreting his apparent priorities.

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

meh...

I think it’s just a big stretch to assume he’s not thinking about his job at all because he doesn’t mention it in his tweeting.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

as has been said on this topic before

Tweeting may not create a negative reputation, but it can certainly reinforce one that already exists

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm 100% serious about being unable to determine if trekinaz is 100% serious.

Seriously.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am obviously 100% crazy

and I need to get back to work.

See you on GT tonight, all.

OH BTW my daughter joined PR last night and is looking forward to joining her first GT tonite. Be nice to her! :-)

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're not crazy..

Just trying to decide if you are being a wee bit facetious about all of this.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Last post before the grindstone

I actually have concerns about Ian’s work ethic, and I think it can be reflected in all aspects of his being. Twitter gives us a tiny little window into his life, through which he chooses to reveal to us the things that he wants his followers to know.

So there’s definitely a kernel of truth in this whole line of reasoning to me, but this forum tends to make everyone sound more extreme than they really here.

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No more than that. Please take it as just that — a feeling I have, not based on solid facts. Intuition, if you will… although I know we men aren’t supposed to have any of that. /ducking

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

as long as

she doesn’t make a bad “fanpost” first she will be fine ;)

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooh, fun!!

My replacement has arrived!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

PIP, you are irreplaceable.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

: )

Hmmm…I guess you’re right.
The person would actually have to post exactly like me…

With optimism and such and my favortite players and everything..

The only way this can be achieved is through a robot!

Hmm… so I would have to program this robot personally, or Rowbot rather…

/puts on mad scientist goggles

Uh, yeah, anyone know how to program rowbots?

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ask RMN, he keeps trying :P

(just kidding)

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew it!!

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

hehe

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

So, thats what

that Zombie Rockies Magic Number thing is! A Rowbot experiement gone bad!
Ah, it makes so much sense now.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 2:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

you are awesome.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know what this means.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know what the feeding the hogs reference is...sorry I'm dumb.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just would like to understand the joke.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

it really

isn’t worth explaining to be honest.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe it goes back to a debate a couple weeks ago

when PHLP was talking about Stewart’s reputation as being “uncoachable”, and expanded on it to say that he grew up slopping hogs in Indiana and therefore was a tireless worker, while Ian grew up in SoCal, where there are no hogs, and therefore is undermotivated, as SoCal products apparently tend to be.

In short, what Maria said below.

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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahhhh...okay that makes sense.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you saying he should be thinking about his job 24/7?

I know I don’t think about my job 24/7

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by free7694 on Sep 7, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope so!

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

CarGo finally shows up on ESPN's MLB front page.

They list the odds of a triple crown at 1.9%, ahead of Votto but behind Albert.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I've been waiting for this.

And isn’t Poodles injured?

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Behind Pujols...

….because it’s so much easier for Pujols to make up 30 points in batting average in the time CarGo has to make up four home runs.

/puke

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

I actually could detect the sarcasm in that post.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Monte Carlo out the odds yourself – 4 homers against 4 competitors with this much time left is incredibly difficult. If you assume that Gonzalez’s average expectation going forward is 8 home runs in 25 games (which it almost certainly isn’t), you’re not even looking at a 1-in-5 chance to lead the league in homers.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't konw anything about Monte Carlo-ing, but...

….I’m pretty sure the odds of Pujols making up a 31 point gap in batting average (and against six competitors, since Tulowitzki and Infante will reach or be very close to 502 PAs) is even less likely.

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the BA competitors were better, this would be true. Not to take anything away from their seasons, but Omar Infante and Carlos Gonzalez are probably not really .330 hitters while in the HR race, none of the leaders are over their heads (and in fact, an argument can be made that a couple of those guys are underperforming a little).

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I suspect that as long as he's a Rockies player, Cargo really might be a .330 hitter

He’s just had some insanely good home numbers since his second call-up last season, and he was a .320 hitter after the ASB last season. It’s just getting a little long to call it merely a hot stretch. No doubt he’s not a .350 hitter, but .325 to .330? I’d buy that.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Certainly more likely than Infante I bet!

I suspect ZiPS is underrating CarGo slightly, but my goal is always to build a better model and if you start getting worried about models on the micro-level, you risk bringing in a large whiff of subjectivity.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Monte Carlo in a nutshell.

You sim the games for the rest of the season a really large amount of times. Then take the stats from all those games and figure out the percentage of times each player achieves the desired goal.

I used to run tons of Monte Carlo sims when I did Ray tracing.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably fairly close. Statheads love Monte Carlo, myself included. The methods are very practical and straightforward and don’t send us digging through basements trying to find our old college textbooks. Because, honestly, time and beer have a way of killing off quite a few brain cells that used to hold all that information.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve been giving them the model results since my model had CarGo at 0.14% last week, but they held off until he got to 1%.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, easiest way to do this.

The reason Pujols comes out relatively well is that the BA competition is generally playing well above their career average in BA (and he’s the active career leader) while Gonzalez’s HR competition are actually having rather unimpressive HR seasons for them – CarGo’s likely to get much less help from regression to the mean.

I obviously don’t control ESPN coverage of the Triple Crown race, but I really don’t have a guy in this fight. I’d like to see one of the three pull it off and there’s good reasons to root for any of them.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

How do you calculate the expected values?

Do you regress BABIP and keep the same K rate, or do you use something like xBABIP? Or do you just use a regression to career average?

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

ZiPS has a generalized regression model. The inputs aren’t quite the same as the Rest-of-Season ZiPS on Fangraphs simply because their, there’s rounding (which becomes a big deal for determining probabilities as ABs remaning becomes smaller).

Also, I’m not using a set probability – I also have an model of expected error of the “true” probabilities. ZiPS sees CarGo being a .308 hitter going forward (the .293 in FG doesn’t take into account opponents or park distribution) on average, but it also sees him as a .290 or .325 hitter sometimes because it doesn’t really “know” he’s a .308 hitter – true ability is kind of a shortcut way to describe players because there’s always variance.

I do a million “rest-of-seasons” from the generated probabilities. It takes a while as my poor ol’ Core2Duo is getting nearly ancient.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cool, thanks for the description.

I’ve been thinking about building a Markov chain for predicting and analyzing run scoring situations, so I’m interested in all baseball simulations right now.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Markov chains are quite useful – I’ve seen them used in the context of evaluating stolen bases and bunting in the past.

My books are dog-eared and old, but if you need a book on stochastic processes, I could get you a couple of recommendations (you might already know the subject well, of course).

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't, actually.

I picked up a book by A. Renyi on probability theory and that is where I’ve learned the most. However, that book is fairly advanced and deals with set theory and algebras of events, which I can mostly understand but isn’t very useful for application. It helped me understand the basic principles, though. Now I’m looking for some books that are more mainstream and less theoretical.

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Could you drop me an e-mail at the address listed in my profile? I’ll see if I can get you a good recommendation.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

i figured career lines played a big part, perhaps too much so for a guy like cargo, who is a vastly different hitter than he was in 2008

I presume you don’t take schedule/park factors into account? CarGo wouldf theoretically be boosted by having a home heavy final stretch and three games at Chase

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I do, actually. It’s impractical to do it on a macro level for the FG daily update, but something tightly defined like a Triple Crown race, I can make a more robust model. I could probably even do better, but I’m really at the edge of my computing power.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I use statistica to generate the probabilities and Excel + a few Excel statistics packages to sim the rest of the season.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely one area which I wish I had a bit more useful compsci back in college. A good programmer could probably make things run a lot more efficiently (Nate Silver had the same issue with PECOTA – it was a mess for anyone else to run it and they had to reprogram it all so that people that weren’t Nate could use it).

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

you will he happier about Baseball Prospectus' Triple Crown odds

Eric Seidman just emailed me to thank me for linking his Lincecum Pitch f/x article (even if no one commented on it) and told me BPro’s odds will he posted tomorrow. And Pujols is not leading.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Another 3-hit game and CarGo will be leading the ESPN odds, too. There’s a lot of fluidity – all three are going to see their probabilities shoot up or go to zero over the next week.

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

If someone’s still in the running the last week, there would be some crazy movements. A 3-hit game would likely be enough to move someone from, say, 20% to 80% when it’s the last couple of games. Or an o-fer, from 20% to 1%

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by D.Szymborski on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tweet from Renck: Tulo is Rockies Roberto Clemente award nominee
Troy Tulowitzki is the Rockies’ club nominee for the Roberto Clemente Award.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Aw, cool!

I still believe...
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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 1:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wonder how teams nominate those guys

it seems to be either the guy who totally fits the award description, and if nobody really stands out, just the most popular dude on the team.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

According to Renck it's the below
The award is given annually to the MLB player who combines dedication to giving back to cmmunitywith outstanding skills on baseball field.

not sure where that fits into popularity question.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

well you've seen it

a few Jeter-types out there who are put on the Clemente thing because they went to a team-spoon-fed charity thing and now they’re all big hearted and stuff.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

True that...

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

that isn't to actually take a shot at jeter

but more “LOOK HOW MUCH THIS GUY EMBODIES OUR FRANCHISE WHAT A CLASS ACT SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS FOR ORPHAN CANCER CAR ACCIDENT VICTIMS WOW HE’S CLASSY AND SO IS OUR ORGANIZATION BY EXTENSION”

Pujols, for example, is pretty up there. If Tulo’s mullet thing is as much his thing as it’s played up to be, sure, him too. I don’t want to crucify any of the nominees in this fashion, I just wonder.

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

orphan cancer car accident victims?

quick, I need an order on these events.

Car accident cause orphan? Or was it the cancer….

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orphans who have cancer

who were injured in a car accident by a drunk driver.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

on thier way to

Chemo?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

i voted for Cargo

even though I picked him at the beginning of the year to be the team MVP. The reason I am most surprised is that he’s so close the triple crown and league MVP. That is an amazing accomplishment!! While Cy Young is huge and an outstanding achievement for any Rockies player Cargo is the most talked about player in the national league today. IMHO he’s been the best offense player in baseball for the 2010 season. Good thing he has such a classy and workable manager. He’ll likely be a Rockie for many year’s to come.

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I'm disregarding this thread.

Except that I just didn’t.

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also RMN

I seem to remember suggesting that Cargo was MVP caliber and you said “meh, I think he’s a Beltran lite”

Beltran at 24 years old:
.306/.362 /.514 /.876

Cargo this year:
.340 /.375 /.616/.991

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Renck has a thought about Beltran...weird
What is amazing about CarGo is that he’s a brilliant outfielder and base-runner. He reminds me a lot of Beltran in last year with Mets

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't see this kind of breakout, so shame on me

I didn’t think Cargo would really put the skills together the way Beltran did at his peak.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

possibly not much better.

Or at least not as much as a lot of people would suspect. Beltran had a home BABIP advantage that year that rivals CarGo’s this season.

Also, not saying anything about Beltran, but it was a different era offensively. His stats aren’t nearly as impressive in the context of the era.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Cargo doesn't have much of a home/away BABIP split.

They’re both absolutely ridiculous. Most of his splits are driven by worse BB:K on the road and fewer HRs.

by RoxnSox09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

alright, but that's really outside my point.

I’m saying that I really don’t believe Beltran’s line changes much if he plays half his games in Coors rather than Kaufman that season. You can’t just take his home numbers with KC that year and give them a Coors Field boost.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction, though.

I was just looking at those splits, today, too. I should have had a better memory of what they were.

by Rox Girl on Sep 7, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

His Home/Road SLG splits are pretty large..

.794 at Home
.450 on the Road, although one could argue his road games are played in places like Petco more often than a Votto or Pujols.

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Adrian Gonzalez's..

career home SLG at Petco is only .445

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love this story. Bill "Spaceman" Lee

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=At6ApIlnI2azf1ezCGHdDARvLYF?slug=sh-billleewins090510

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

thanks, good read

Glad to hear he still has the magic. I miss the days when all closers were a little nuts. Baseball just doesn’t have any freaks anymore.

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only Timmeh

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

true dat

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lineup for today's game.

EY Jr4
Fowler8
CarGo7
Tulo6
Helton3
Mora5
Smith9
Olivo2
Chacin1

Seems to be the norm when facing a LHP.

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RHP**

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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad Chris Nelson is playing.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

HA HA

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Uh...

Yeah, me too.

I still believe...
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You got me

I actually went back and looked for him. I read your post and was thinking "really, how did I miss his name?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great Matt

You owe me a new sarcasm meeter.

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll bring you a replacement on Sunday

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fantastic

So, we all meeting at the FR before the game?

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

or the PR Pad

either one

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coolio

Got to get there early to snag some free parking.

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

no Bronco game=plenty of free parking

we can just take one car up to Coors

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would work

What time are we thinking.

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

whenever you guys drive down/I wake up

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Allrighty

Just keep in mind I want to be downtown by 11 so we can get tickets/parking/drinking.

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

text me when yuo hit the stadium

perhaps we can have a beer or something.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

what now?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

you wanted me to text you when I hit the stadium

that will hurt, as I am very strong and will likely shatter my hand

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ha

I just figured that… Ok, never mind.

by mkorpal on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

also a decent thought

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

lame.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am yes.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Section 150

you guys?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got one of the

“value packs”

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm planning on this game too.

But I’ll probably be by myself at the bullpen.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey,

I tried that for an inning or two at a game I went to. It was fun; I got to see Huston get out and go sit on the chairs! I got pix!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's great

Full view of the field (with the action coming towards you rather than away from you which is why I don’t like sitting behind the plate), a TV screen for replays, and a view of the bullpen folks to entertain.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

also you have to stand

it’s a terrible place for nachos

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

So excited for nachos

and hot dogs.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't eat during games.

Or ever.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I eat a lot

at baseball games.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I expect if I liked hot dogs, that may be different.

Also, Muzia and AMart fed me RC cola yesterday. it’s not as bad as onions. But we will always agree on onions.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love food

that is bad for you. Hot Dogs, Nachos – anything fried (that isn’t an onion)

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

the wife had the Helton burger yesterday

the burger was alright, but the milkshake was fantastic.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice.

How was your dog?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

good.

i hadn’t had the denver dog all year, so i had a hankerin.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice use of

hankerin.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except during the hibernation season.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

bearmarauder?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Possible.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

BearMarauder?

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maria's was first, but you get points for the caps.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

BareMarauder?

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

BoreMarauder

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

works for me

Sure would like to see a few hits from 1, 7, 8, or even 9 slots.

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent sig, I approve

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

You’ll have to translate yours for me. Rowsdower?

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 PM MDT reply actions  

oops,meant as a reply

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

ah, it's from a really crappy MST3K movie

see my avatar

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

the FUNNIEST MST3K movie you mean Muzia

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

it was kinda meh

I napped.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

that made me sad :(

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh right...

not so sad about that now.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

pffffffffft!!!!

chyaaaaah! As if!

and so forth

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's either Final Sacrifice or Riding with Death for me

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

missed that one, thanks

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by azdenfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

OT: My personal song for the Rockies right now....hope the continue to match the aggression of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR3X—Y6pig

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Here is mone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bk8s7JpKv0

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes.

The Blind Side.

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

The wrong side ;)

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I missed the debate because I didn't want to scroll through the opinions

so I’ll just say that I’m in agreement with whichever side is the coolest

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

that would be my side

and you know it :)

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

well obviously.....

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey, hey hey

Just because I’m not in the majority doesn’t mean I’m not right. At one pont the majority of the people on this planet thought the sun revolved around it. :-)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

But in the case

the Majority is right. And also cooler.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nuh Uh.

Majority rules.

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by Thnikkaman on Sep 7, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with the cool girl!! Yeah

cuz cool people are always right……..and cool

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

^4

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought that was me.

After all, apparently I’m a contrarian and nothing else.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

you ready to make this a 3 way

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

RIRF, Muzia, and WolfMarauder

3 way?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

about 10 total feet right there

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

hmmmmmm

…………

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

you could always Pip it

ride the rails, hobo style

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

/spits out virtual Coke

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
This gave me a good laugh. “Pip it” ha!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i actually admire your ability

To stand up defiantly in support of an p cupisot bad idea in front of multitudes of angry people. Have you ever considered running for president?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 3:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually had to look up

“p cupisot”

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

believe it or not, that was supposed to be "incredibly"

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2010 3:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

so...not turtle sex?

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

You just got this guy’s attention.

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where do you find these things?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahahahaha

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

What’s a stamp?
Sincerely, PiP

Ubaldomania.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 7, 2010 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its a thing that

shows when you posted your comment, am I right?

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Since we're discussing Google today..

I’m enjoying playing with the Google balls. I don’t know how they do that, but I’m like a cat with a flashlight!

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear that they do it with programming.

/ducking

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by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm loving it.

/makes balls scatter again.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

History says, even Martin Luther used Google..

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHA

No. I think only someone insane would run for president. Although some may say that I’m not that far away from qualifying

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

You’re bipolar, you’d qualify : )

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d vote for RIRF.
Free pizza and coke and Tulo jerseys for everybody!
YAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I vote for the other guy

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

just enough

for tiny american flags for everyone.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

so long as they're tiny

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

you mean Rhode Island-sized flags

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

IF I were president

I would get rid of Rhode Island as a state.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

sort of

kick it away from the US – make it be part of Europe or something.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would you make it either a Road or an island?

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I would tax hot dogs

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You just lost

all the votes you may have had right there.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

hey Maria, I wouldn't tax hot dogs at all

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

You have my vote!

Even though I do enjoy paying taxes….

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is true.

you could always levy a tax on high end hot dogs to make up for the revenue shortfall…

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

yayyyyyyyy

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

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Its cool

I already have a Tulo jersey. RIRF could buy himself one, and everyone pizza and Coke, and I’ll vote for him.

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 3:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

but you aren't old enough to vote

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

/angry face
I wil be in 2012!!!

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

One vote doesn't matter.

Everyone knows that.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

so would the other guy

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wrong

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Correct.

Because I am the other guy

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boooo

Down with Muzia!
RIRF for prez!
Hey, can I be RIRFs running mate!
“VP PIP”

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by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2010 4:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll be his campaign manager

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will you run on the Hot Dog in every pot platform?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

he hates hot dogs

you’re on the wrong team

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

He never said he hates hot dogs. LIES LIES

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

He wants to tax them.

Because he hates them.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

and orphans

he hates them, too.

His orphan tax is all the rage in RI

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

not to mention the

extra penalty for Orphans with Cancer who Survive Accidents…

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

This will be good

With this I will be sure to take California. That’s 55 big fat electoral votes right there Muzia.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a deal PIP

Together we will show all of the doubters

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Natioanal National

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

no you are not

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

WHOA

Buchholz DFA’d

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

WHAT?!?!?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

wut??

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

wat?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm rather surprised at this turn of events

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Paul Phillips takes the spot on the roster.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

this has to be a joke

Fish, are you behind this one?

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, Iannetta was sent down to Casper

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're bringing up all the veterans, apparently.

I’m a little surprised they didn’t just move Corpas to the 60 Day. Maybe they have yet another plan for that roster spot.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm quite confused by this move

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

well I'm a little pissed

give the guy a chance. he just came off TJS

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of any confidence...

….dude, I’m picking up tix to Saturday’s game after work. Should I get one for you, if I can get the cheap King Soopers’ seats? Muzia seemed to say no, but wanna before on both of youse before I buy…

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I may have already committed to NerdFest on Saturday

and it will likely go until game time

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

And by NerdFest, you are referring to....

….hanging out on the Row during a game thread

/rimshot

not as punny as SDcat00

by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't been in a game thread in...

wow….

uh….

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

You get corporate seats? Seriously?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

no just corporate tickets

I WISH they were corporate seats

it’s the “hey everyone here’s some free tickets because we <3 you now enjoy the RF upper box”

by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahhhh

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course, he'll just be able to leave as MiLB FA after the season.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

And my point being that that will involve signing him in the off season whether he accepts or not.

Unless you fear another team picks him up before we get our claws back in him.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's more than a year off TJ

It was the lost velocity, and the back issues.

AMart is right, with any luck, he’ll clear and accept an outrighting

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by Mondogarage on Sep 7, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

At this point, accepting the outright doesn't mean much.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Renck elaborates via tweet that Tracy never got confidence back in him

He was never fully healed from the injury at any point.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

well....I suppose I can understand that I guess

but doesn’t the bullpen need all hands on deck for the stretch?

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

and isn't three catchers enough, even in September?

Paul Phillips == extra pinch hitter?

I’m really searching for a sensible explanation here. The only thing that makes sense, when combined with Corpas and Morales is that the team is absolutely convinced that Buchholz will never again pitch effectively at the MLB level.

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahaha...

oh sorry. I wasn’t laughing at you, but Tracy still doesn’t seem to know who CDI is…

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

at this point, I don't either

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, the ape market has seen a lot of growth in the past quarter...

but I don’t know how the political situation in Banana Junction will affect their numbers.

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 7, 2010 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll bet you Phillips gets more playing time in Sept than CDI

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

wrong.

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy LOVES Phillips....he said so last year

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's been good every time he's been called up.

But he was called up after McKenry. He’s just emergency..

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

He can also be an emergency 1B

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'll see

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Phillips has been good in a very SSS

/ducks

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

His whole career has basically been one SSS

He’s one of those rare players that has been up and down from the majors to minors so many times that despite begin active on multiple teams in multiple years and being in his 30s, he’s not even got arbitraton rights yet.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

meaning he will get more playing time that CDI

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

If CDI can't get playing time when Olivo is/was in his slide

what makes you think he’ll get more now, with another catcher in the mix?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

You fail to see what Olivo brings to the table.

And he brings a lot more than Phillips.

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

You fail to see I'm talking about CDI not getting playing time.

not Olivo:P

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I said nothing about getting more than Olivo.

I thought you were arguing that Phillips is going to get more playing time than CDI. I don’t see any way that happens.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Point taken.

My opinion is unchanged.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

you also believe in the inherent good in people

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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I could similarly argue

that others believe the worst about people (Tracy).

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

We only believe the worst about certain people.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

When has Phillips been given more playing

time than CDI? There’s plenty of evidence that Olivo will get more time than CDI. There’s no evidence that Phillips will get more than CDI, other than people’s beliefs that Tracy hates CDI (which I still don’t believe).

Obviously there’s no way to know what will happen, but I think people are severely underestimating (or overestimating, depending on what we’re talking about) Jim Tracy here. No one was worried when McKenry was around. Now suddenly Phillips is up (notice he was the 4th catcher up) and because he’s been on the team in the past, everyone assumes CDI is going to get kicked to the curb.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am still arguing that Phillips will see more playing time than

CDI. But not more than Olivo. Sorry if anything I said was confusing that point.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, than I understood.

I still don’t think it happens.

by holly96 on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope I'm as wrong as I could be...

and that CDI tears it up when he does get the starts.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

/cries laughing

/throws SDcat09 under bus
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

From the DL!!!!

bum knee remember?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

okay then Free Jordan!!!

(who’s Jordan)?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

who? :P

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

she doesn't read those

/throws SDcat09 under bus
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I pay attention when I feel like it....

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

much like a real cat...

/throws SDcat09 under bus
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty much this.

“Screw you, I’m a cat.”

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

how are you planning on passing the PR SATs

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

CDI is always the answer

unless it’s Herrera

/throws SDcat09 under bus
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or Nelson

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

FREE TACOS!

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

BOO

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Maybe Olivo is the right choice for us this season..

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tracy never got confidence from a guy barely off of TJS

But continues to throw Frankie Mo and Corpas out there..

This pisses me off

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

also had back problems

and lost velocity.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

only because he was forced into it by injury.

but nice try.

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was my reaction.

What the hell? What about Corpas’ roster spot? Uhm…

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

WUT????

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe DFA saves some money?

Hell, I don’t know.

Yeah, my username says it all.

by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he's grabbed by another team, yes.

But even then, barely any.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Best part of that tweet sequence
Talked to olivo. Got hit in jewels but he’s fine. Nearly passed out when happened

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah

He couldn’t get on his feet after 2-3 attempts.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

So street and olivo

have been hit in the “jewels” this year…crazy.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

They need stronger protection.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

that would make

some funny bulges

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking magic protection spells.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what was a catcher doing without his anyhow?

even playing catch or something a catcher of all people should know better… yikes!

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he had protection on

but just like all forms of birthcontrol nothing is 100%

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

He had protection on.

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or at least, he better have

If he didn’t, he should be in pretty serious trouble

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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Armour is the only answer. And I don't mean Under Armour

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Armour Hot Dogs?

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha...didn't think about that...well played

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

but,,,,,,they need those to make baby's I'm told

they need to take care of those

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by jpage78 on Sep 7, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tough break kid. Get drunk on me. Use the bucket to ice down your marbles. Yours, Z.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh these are just road flares

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

next thing you know there’s money missing off the dresser and you’re daughter’s knocked up. I’ve seen it a million times.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed I will.

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your money is on the dresser

Chocolate.

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

now that’s a re-direction

by BringItHome on Sep 7, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come on

It’s from a great movie!

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by Maria M on Sep 7, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can just picture Tracy

“Come on Miguel, suck it up!!!!!! I don’t want to actually have to put Iannetta in. He’s not a special player like you.”

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

So about this whole WC playoff thing.

Wouldn’t it be resolved by making the Division series 7 games instead of 5?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Separate topics

You’re basically still treating the WC just as well as one division champ (the one that dosen’t get home field in the LDS) whether it’s 5 or 7 games. Yay 7 game LDS though! I don’t mind bundling up to see baseball.

And with that, I’m off to Coors Field for some glorious September baseball! woot!

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by RoarFrom112 on Sep 7, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have fun!

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

7 game LDS is not a problem when you start 7 game LCS without waiting for TV to tell you when you can play

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Made it to the bottom of the RP!

In only 45 minutes! Hurray!

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by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2010 4:47 PM MDT reply actions  

That's like a land PR record

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who remembers Jim Abbott?

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I do

Why?

The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.

by free7694 on Sep 7, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just saw a thing on MLB Network about him.

I remember how amazing he was, and how I had rather forgotten about him. That’s all….

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by SDcat09 on Sep 7, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Read his biography in 3rd grade

almost made me an Angels fan

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