Baseball Prospectus Releases List of Top Rockies Prospects
If you like prospects, this is your week. Baseball America will release their annual prospect ranking for the Rockies tomorrow, and Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus released his prospect list early this morning. The article is for subscribers, but the top 20 list is visible without a subscription.
Goldstein's overview was certainly glowing of the system, which is buoyed by the #1 ranked draft in 2009 and #4 ranked draft in 2010 (as ranked by Baseball America) in addition to the ever strong Latin pipeline.
It's a well-rounded, solid system. The only two weaknesses are a lack of up-the-middle talent and health issues... In the always competitive National League West, the Rockies have the best combination of prospects and young talent to ensure they'll consistently be toward the top of the standings. This is an impressive collection.
Obviously, those are words Rockies fans would like to hear. Below is Goldstein's top 20 list as compared to the most recent rankings by the Purple Row community in September.
Baseball Prospectus |
Purple Row |
| 1. Tyler Matzek, LHP ☆☆☆☆☆ | 1. Tyler Matzek, LHP |
| 2. Wilin Rosario, C ☆☆☆☆☆ | 2. Wilin Rosario, C |
| 3. Nolan Arenado, 3B ☆☆☆ | 3. Christian Friedrich, LHP |
| 4. Christian Friedrich, LHP ☆☆☆ | 4. Nolan Arenado, 3B |
| 5. Kyle Parker, OF ☆☆☆ | 5. Chris Nelson, SS/2B |
| 6. Peter Tago, RHP ☆☆☆ | 6. Peter Tago, RHP |
| 7. Charles Blackmon, OF ☆☆☆ | 7. Charlie Blackmon, OF |
| 8. Rex Brothers, LHP ☆☆☆ | 8. Chad Bettis, RHP |
| 9. Chad Bettis, RHP☆☆☆ | 9. Kyle Parker, OF |
| 10. Christhian Adames, SS ☆☆ | 10. Rafael Ortega, OF |
| 11. Rafael Ortega, OF ☆☆ | 11. Hector Gomez, SS |
| 12. Will Swanner, C | 12. Rex Brothers, LHP |
| 13. Juan Nicasio, RHP | 13. Juan Nicasio, RHP |
| 14. Jordan Pacheco, C | 14. Jordan Pacheco, C |
| 15. Albert Campos, RHP | 15. Corey Dickerson, OF |
| 16. Casey Weathers, RHP | 16. Tim Wheeler, OF |
| 17. Russell Wilson, 2B | 17. Will Swanner, C |
| 18. Hector Gomez, SS | 18. Casey Weathers, RHP |
| 19. Mike McKenry, C | 19. Mike McKenry, C |
| 20. Chris Nelson, IF | 20. Albert Campos, RHP |
The lists are actually remarkably similar, as 18 names appear on both lists. The four players not agreed upon were Casper SS Christian Adames and Tri-City 2B Russell Wilson on the BP list, and Casper OF Corey Dickerson and Modesto OF Tim Wheeler from the PuRPs list.
The most obvious trend is that BP values potential much more than Purple Row. That is not surprising, as most our voters tend to value names they are more familiar with and/or are closer to the big leagues. This is particularly evident in the level of disagreement on Chris Nelson's ranking. I'll divulge a sampling of Goldstein's specific insider info after the jump.
The following content is taken from the subscriber only section of the piece. I am only sharing a small amount.
"He could be an All-Star catcher with above-average offense and defense...the rare catcher you actually want in your lineup...showcases plus power without sacrificing too much in terms of contact..Defensively, he's a gem." Goldstein praises almost every area of Rosario's game, and his biggest weaknesses (difficulty with breaking pitches and footspeed) could either develop (he's still just 21) or is virtually immaterial for a catcher. We have been operating under a Miguel Olivo comp, but Goldstein and his scouts clearly see a brighter future than that.
Nolan Arenado
"Arenado is the best pure hitter in the system, with plenty of bat speed and outstanding hands...an impatient hitter whose tremendous plate coverage works against him at times." Goldstein also concludes that Arenado could be an every day MLB third baseman with passable defense.
"He could be an above-average big-league starter, but that's hardly a lock. Relief work is a real possibility...Health will be more important than numbers for Friedrich in 2011." While his velocity fell in 2010, Goldstein attributes that to injury and notes his stuff remains very good for a lefty.
"He could be an everyday corner outfielder...plus to plus-plus raw power to all fields...solid hitting skills with a very good approach at the plate." There isn't much to Parker's scouting report we don't already know, as he hasn't added to his baseball resume since coming to the Rockies.
His scouting report liked Charles Blackmon as a potential .270-.290 hitter with 20 steals and average power. He implied projections for Rex Brothers as a closer were too optimistic given his control issues but that he remains a strong back end reliever. Rafael Ortega projects into double digit home runs and at least twenty steals.
The last one I wanted to touch on was Christian Adames, whom Purple Row completely ignored. He got a lot of love on Goldstein's list and is sure to get the same from Baseball America and other scouting resources. Adames is a switch hitting shortstop with no power and very little currently in the form of projectible offense. Goldstein even claims "he'll need to develop some strength to prevent pitchers from simply knocking the bat of his hands." But he already has very special skills defensively and could be a real asset at shortstop, so any progression at all with the bat could make him a valuable big leaguer.
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Chris Nelson can be very good
if just given the chance!
I don’t care if everybody else absolutely loves Johnny Herrera, but if I have to watch a full season of watching Herrera over Nelson I am going to puke.
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
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I'm excited about our potential at 2B this season..
between minor leaguer’s EY, Herrera, Nelson (and I’m going to add Gomez) and acquisition Lopez there’s a lot of differing types of talent in the mix. It would be nice if we could combine all of them to create the ultimate killing machine secondbaseman, but we’ll have to see which cream rises to the top.
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with four catchers, four MI's and two CF's on the list, and only three corners,
I think Goldstein would have phrased it better by saying that the Rockies lack of health is especially hitting their up the middle talent, not that they’re not deep there.
I wrote this at 130, and in my deliriousness, I didn't catch that
But it is rather strange.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2011 1:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Got to say
I’m not sure what to make of Wilson right now. He played decent in his very short debut, but nothing amazing. And I have no idea if he will pursue football or baseball right now. With Parker, baseball is almost a certainty, with Wilson, it’s a tossup.
Not sure Wilson knows either.
He didn’t put in for the NFL draft but he may or may not return to NC State (Kid, ask Parker about those ribs!) for football this Fall. He’s coming back for year two of minor league ball so that may be telling how his future lines up.
Go Bruce!
Yes and no...
That CBA thing shouldn’t get ugly but will. I still think there’s too much money sitting there to logically trigger a lockout – the NBA is a whole ‘nother Oprah. However, so many teams are in need of a quarterback that Wilson could sneak up into the mid-2nd round. If he really dreams of playing in the NFL, this may be a better year than next year when there could be a hard sort of cap in place. Slid a bit OT, sorry. Seems if Goldstein likes him, I’m more interested to see how Wilson plays this summer. That also might help him figure out where he’s going. Must be nice, eh?
Go Bruce!
There is no way
Russell Wilson is a second round talent.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 18, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, hey.
Congrats on the MHH gig!
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Ah, thank you!
I’m excited for it.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jan 18, 2011 11:05 PM MST up reply actions
Adames wasn't totally ignored
I praised his fielding and ability to get the ball in play with runners on several times this past season and I recall seeing his name pop up in other peoples reviews of the Ghosts a couple times this past year as well. He was easily one of my 3 favorite players to watch on the Ghosts this past season.
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I agree with what you said
but I think Fish is trying to say is that people didn’t consider voting for him as a PURP, unlike Goldstein’s list which has him as a Top 10 prospect in the organization.
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JFK
in terms of the PuRPs lists, he was mostly ignored
He might have even had less votes than Scott Beerer. He deserved more, but I still think he’ll be overrated in scouting circles for his defense, as he seems to be in the vein of Jonny Herrera.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2011 1:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
IAWTC
He’s intriguing because he’s a switch hitter, a bonus baby and there’s a hope of offensive projection, but at the moment, he figures to be less of a valuable MLB asset than Thomas Field, who combines quality defense, patience and some pop, but is just a bit older than we’d like to see.
Another great field but no hit SS?
The minors/majors is full of them. The Rox just got rid of one of the best in that category, Clint Barmes, who was a great guy to boot.
I also agree here.
Adames stands out to pundits like Goldstein because he’s so young, but the Rockies already have a lot of all glove guys in the system (Joey Wong and Josh Rutledge, for instance) and as you point out with Barmes, have a good history with them to boot.
I’d rank Adames as our sixth best SS right now, behind those two as well as Gomez, Nelson and Field, and while his ceiling might be higher than Wong’s, it’s likely not any or much higher than any of the others.
Goldstein really missed the boat on Jhoulys Chacin.
Last year he rated him as a three star, fourth on the prospect list and 9th on the Top Ten Talents under 25. This year he has him third on the Top 10 Talents under 25, but puts in a left handed compliment.
It is interesting to look at where we are now versus last year, and especially on the Top 10 under 25, we are better. The biggest drop or disappointment was Christian Friedrich. Last year Goldstein was much higher on Friedrich, as I am sure many were.
I really look forward to Kevin Goldstein’s article. It is one of my high-lites of the off season.
I wouldn't necessarily say Goldstein missed on Chacin
Pitching prospects don’t usually show up in the big leagues with more velocity and strikeouts than ever in the minors. Chacin just took a huge step forward. He started that in 2009 a bit, but I didn’t expect chacin’s 2010 either.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2011 3:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
These lists beg the questions:
What are we going to do about first base? Convert somebody, trade for somebody, or try to sign a FA? It keeps getting more painful to ask, until we get one.
I guess the flip side is the league is really deep in this talent, so we may be able to rob one from another system, but it is sort of a glaring hole at this point.
-Joe
Any one of the above?
I don’t think the Rockies have worried about this because 1B is traditionally a pretty easy position to fill quickly. The 2013 FA list will include expensive guys like Mike Napoli and likely cheap guys like Aubrey Huff. A couple of players (Daric Barton, for one) could be available via trade if there’s not an internal option.
I'd like to see someone like Arenado convert...
Basically, my hope is that Stewie can assuage all our concerns with a breakout 2011, allowing the Rox to move Arenado to 1b. Figure Arenado spends 1-2 years or so in the minors @ 1b, and that would be right around the time Helton hangs up the glove and gets into coaching.
But this is pure fantasyland thinking….
by attackparrot on Jan 18, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
The only problem I have with this scenario is that if Stewart is that good, there may be little chance we'll be able to afford him with Tulo, Cargo and Ubaldo
He enters FA after the 2014 season and if we want to trade him for top value, it would have to be done by the winter of 2013, which just happens to coincide exactly with when Todd’s contract expires, not to mention, JDLR’s and Hammel’s. I think we might need a 3B then just as much as we do a 1B. Arenado would hopefully be a decent replacement at third and Stewart could be used in trade to fill what could be a rotation gap if prospects don’t develop. Of course, the rosy scenario with Stewart might also include a WS trophy or two, which would likely include a significant boost in revenue, which could make Ian affordable.
I see your point...
I guess that has more to do with the lack of depth at the corner IF position, and not wanting to simply shift the problem from 1b to 3b…
Would it make sense to possibly transition someone from one of our deeper positions to 1b?
So, looking at our OF right now, CarGo is etched in stone (barring injury) for the foreseeable future. If Dex can be a solid major league CF, then we really have 1 OF position to fill over the next 5-10 years. So, we have Blackmon, Wheeler, Parker and Ortega coming up through our system in that same time period. Hopefully more than one will pan out, thus filling the LF and 1b positions? Is this realistic?
Should I just simply let go of my fascination of making prospects change positions?!
by attackparrot on Jan 18, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
So whats the deal with Matzek?
Do we plan on seeing this guy anytime soon? I mean, he is the number one rated prospect on our list right now.
Hyperboles kill.
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Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
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And he's 20 years old.
So the answer is no. In a few years. He’ll be starting 2011 in A ball.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 18, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
Aaaahhh
thanks
Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
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by GoldenNugget on Jan 18, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
Modesto, though
you know, last week something called Ben Glicksman would have you believe he’ll be in the Springs to start 2011.
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ya i do recall
I knew better than that and figured he would be high A but just wanted to ask.
He's number one because he has the most clear potential, but his ETA is still 2014
He still needs to develop his changeup and improve his control quite a bit. But he has nasty stuff from the left side.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2011 6:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He won't be. The first challenge with Matzek was refining his mechanics so he learned to pace himself and adjust physically to the pressures of professional baseball.
I’m not certain of the specifics, but there was concern that Matzek’s delivery mechanics would tire him out too fast at the professional level. Plus, they were workshopping his pitches from the ground up, I believe. In other words, Matzek’s first year was essentially designed to make him the pitcher he will have to be to advance. He’s not on the fast track as of now. We’ll take our time with him to make sure he’s found himself, so to speak.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 18, 2011 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
This is another nice thing about having Jimenez, Chacin, and JDLR (all three of them) under control for at least a couple more seasons
We can let Matzek develop for as long as we want. We don’t NEED him for a few more years.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 18, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like an excuse to let his arm fall off in the Minors.
Every pitch thrown is a wasted bullet.
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