Wednesday Rockpile: Examining Colorado's Arbitration WAR Surplus
by Jeff Aberle on Jan 19, 2011 5:01 AM MST
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PrintThis week the Rockies have been busy locking in 2011 salaries with the remainder of their six arbitration eligible players, inking Matt Lindstrom (for two years, $6.6 million guaranteed) and Felipe Paulino (one year, $790,000) to deals that avoided the arbitration process. Those of you who remember my MLB Transaction Series in Purple Row Academy know that I'm not a huge fan of the MLB salary arbitration process. Here's something I wrote last year detailing the arbitration process and a few problems that I have with it. Fortunately for the Rockies this offseason, the cost of their arbitration-eligible talent won't be as steep as I had projected, though all the players will receive a healthy raise from their 2010 salaries.
In addition to Lindstrom and Paulino (who will have three more years of arbitration eligibility), Colorado has signed Matt Belisle ($2.35 million) and Jose Lopez ($3.6 million) to deals that bought out their last year of arbitration. In fact, only Jason Hammel and Ian Stewart have even made it as far as exchanging figures with the Rockies. Hammel asked for $3.7 million as a 2nd year AE player (he was a Super Two last year), with Colorado countering with $3.1 million (midpoint of $3.4 million). Stewart is asking for $2.6 million against Colorado's $2.15 million offer as a Super Two player (midpoint of $2.375 million).
What does this mean? Let me provide a little context. It is a generally accepted maxim within baseball that arbitration-eligible players are paid at a % of their free market value depending on which year of arbitration they are entering. Normally, AE players receive arbitration awards of 40% their first year, 60% the second, and 80% the third. For Super Two players who get four years of arbitration eligibility, the breakdown is often 20/40/60/80. Furthermore, using WAR as a function of player value on the open market leads to the assumption that each win a free agent player provides is worth $5 million.
By that formula, here is what the Rockies believe that each player is worth on the free agent market this year (or at least the production they're paying these players for adjusted for a free market), assuming the midpoint is the contract reached for Hammel and Stewart, as well as how much WAR they are actually paying for:
| Player | 2011 Salary | Unadj. WAR | Market Salary | Expected WAR | WAR Surplus |
| Matt Belisle | $2,350,000 | 0.47 | $2,937,500 | 0.59 | 0.12 |
| Jason Hammel | $3,400,000 | 0.68 | $8,500,000 | 1.70 | 1.02 |
| Matt Lindstrom | $2,800,000 | 0.56 | $4,666,667 | 0.93 | 0.37 |
| Jose Lopez | $3,600,000 | 0.72 | $4,500,000 | 0.90 | 0.18 |
| Felipe Paulino | $790,000 | 0.16 | $3,950,000 | 0.79 | 0.63 |
| Ian Stewart | $2,375,000 | 0.48 | $11,835,000 | 2.37 | 1.89 |
| Total | $8,196,000 | 3.06 | $36,389,167 | 7.28 | 4.21 |
As you can see from the chart above, the Rockies are paying these six players for only 3.06 wins above replacement yet by the salaries they've handed out, Colorado is expecting those six players to produce 7.28 WAR in 2011 -- a surplus of 4.21 WAR, or a little over $21 million worth of value. And that's only if you take Colorado's purported valuation of these players at face value.
You might notice that most of Colorado's arbitration WAR surplus is derived from Hammel and Stewart. Well, when I projected the arbitration awards of Belisle, Hammel, and Stewart at the beginning of the offseason (the other three weren't with the team at the time), I explained my expectations of each player. I projected Hammel as a 3 win player in 2011, roughly splitting the difference between his fWAR (3.8, 3.7) and rWAR (1.8, 1.7) totals the past two years. As you can see above, Colorado is paying Hammel to be a 1.7 win pitcher in 2011. If you assume that the 3 win projection of Hammel is accurate (and that's my expectation for him in 2011), Colorado's surplus value from arbitration shoots up to about 5.5 WAR.
Stewart's case is a little more murky, as the Rockies' third baseman was a league average (two win) player in 2010 on a rate basis. Colorado is paying him to replicate that success in 2011 with a 2.37 WAR campaign, a projection that I believe he'll meet or exceed. If Rox Girl and the people making projections at Fangraphs are to be believed, Lopez will have a league average year for Colorado in 2011, adding another win to Colorado's surplus value.
The other three pitchers are a little more tricky to project, as all will likely be in the bullpen in 2011. Relief pitchers fluctuate in value so much that I'm comfortable with using the Rockies' expected WAR totals for those guys. Paulino could make a few starts this year, providing more utility to the club than he would otherwise, or he could not even break Spring Training with the club.
In all, by my count the Rockies added about 6.5 WAR of surplus value over the production that they are paying these arbitration players for. Relatively speaking (the arbitration system still sucks), Colorado made out like bandits.
What does this mean?
Well, for one thing it means that Colorado's Opening Day Payroll will be lower than what I had been projecting lately, which was as much as $88 million. Instead, Colorado will be paying about $2 million less for Hammel than I had projected, $1 million less for Paulino, and $850,000 less for Belisle. This is somewhat balanced out by a higher than expected payment to Lindstrom ($650,000) and Stewart ($125,000), but the point is that the Rockies' payroll will be around $3 million less than I had projected simply because they were able to get their arbitration eligible players under contract for cheaper than the market value.
With that new information taken into account, it looks like Colorado will start 2011 with a payroll just south of $85 million -- which is shockingly in line with my thoughts 75 days ago. That is, unless Jason Giambi and his $1 million minor league deal makes the club (and it's looking probable at the moment, which would bump either EY2 or Herrera off my roster), once again sacrificing bench defensive flexibility for offensive aptitude. In that case, the 2011 ODP will be closer to $85.5 million.
Barmes Trade Wrap
As you may have seen, Clint Barmes signed a $3.925 million contract buying out his last year of arbitration with Houston. So the Rockies in essence got Paulino and $3.135 million in salary relief for Barmes. However, when you consider that Paulino is replacing a pitcher like Matt Daley or Esmil Rogers who would be making around the MLB minimum of $420,000 in 2011, the salary relief is more like $3.555 million. Therefore, it makes sense that the Rockies spent almost exactly that much ($3.6 million) in acquiring Jose Lopez.
The final tally from where I'm standing: Colorado exchanged Barmes, Chaz Roe, the MLB use of Daley/Rogers, and $45,000 for Lopez and Paulino. I'd call that a pretty decent swap.
Finally, make sure and stay tuned for the release of Baseball America's top 10 Rockies prospect list later today.
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This WAR thing is really confusing
So some value can be based on WAR? If 1 win in WAR is worth 5 million bucks, then does that mean that Pujols should be paid 30-45 million per year? We all know that he can put up a 6-9 WAR. I would place him comfortably in that area. But, is he worth that 45 million per? He is one hell of a baseball player all around but to me. I wouldn’t pay him that kind of money. I would rather split that up and hopefully? get 2 or 3 players that could equal that and build a core around them.
One other question. How is Stewart a Super 2 and why does he get 4 years of arbitration?
One of the reasons why the value seems so outrageous is because of the way MLB's underpaying players in their first few seasons.
So all of that excess WAR dollar value that Jeff talks about in this Rockpile for the Rockies as well as all the other clubs ends up getting put into free agency contracts, making them much bigger than they would be in a truly open and fair market. So it’s a system pretty much where the old feed off the young, and truth be told, the contracts probably should be higher if player payrolls were commiserate with the percentage of revenue spent in other leagues. In the NHL, 53% of revenue gets spent on player salaries, it’s 43% in the MLB.
Also, you have to consider aging as well, so while Pujols has been worth that much, his next contract will price in a predicted decline, so that’s where it’s more likely to land in the $25 to $30 million per season range, and yes, he probably will be worth it.
As for Stewart, that’s one of the stupid rules of the CBA that’s likely to be done away with when they negotiate their next contract next winter. It was put in place to give star players an early jump on arbitration, so they could earn more sooner, but it’s actually had the opposite effect of teams holding back their stars in the minor leagues (Strasburg and Posey from last year for instance) just so that they can control them for cheap longer.
Re: Stewart -- If you read the link about arbitration that I provided, most if not all your questions will be answered.
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Arbitration salaries
The 40/60/80 assumption is violently wrong. I have no idea where it came from, but I’ve never seen anyone substantiate it, and it’s ridiculous.
I haven’t been tracking the arb salaries this year, but I did track them a couple winters ago, and it comes out to something like 20/34/48. Which makes a lot more sense, intuitively. There’s no way, logically, that the increase in salary from year 3 of arbitration to free agency should be no higher than the increase from year 2 of arbitration to year 3.
I'm pretty sure it came from Tango/MGL/et al...
This would be one of the more recent posts where he makes the claim.
Going by your discount figures, the Rockies are expecting 10.69 WAR from these players.
Of that, 3.4 WAR would be from Hammel, 1.65 from Lindstrom, and 1.5 from Lopez.
The effect would be that the Rockies would pay comparitively more in a free market for these players’ services (as they are paying them to produce more WAR) but their WAR surplus value from arbitration would increase.
If you could give me a little more background on your figures I could examine them further. I’m pretty good with using the 40/60/80 right now though.
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Yeah, I know Tango claims it, but I've never seen him justify it
Just like he’s never justified using $5m/win for this offseason, and that number is demonstrably wrong (as you might remember from my signings spreadsheet I linked here earlier). He’s more interested in the framework than the details, so he makes convenient assumptions to skirt the details. Nothing wrong with that, of course, as long as you know to take the numbers as “for illustration purposes only”.
Anyway, I was just working from memory with the 20/34/48 thing… turns out I remembered fairly well, but it’s not quite that simple. I dug up my spreadsheet, which comes from the market of two winters ago, when the free agent going rate was $4.73m/win. My equation for expected arbitration salary, using that winter’s data, was:
% of FA value = (ServiceTime/7.3 – .208 + if(ServiceTime > 5, .1,0))
And then to get the expected salary, multiply that number by the FA $/win (4.73) and add the league minimum salary ($380K).
So that means 20% for a player with 3 years service time, 34% for 4 years, 58% for 5 years. But the average player in the “first-year arb eligible” class doesn’t have exactly 3 years of service, rather more like 3.5, so if we just want a simple replacement for the 40/60/80 rather than a longer formula, it would be proper to use 27/41/65.
Now, of course, the problem is that the arbitration salaries don’t track the FA market $/win so perfectly, because it takes a while for the developments in the FA market to reflect themselves in arbitration. So while the FA market $/win has gone up by 19% from the 2008-09 offseason to now (from 4.73 to 5.65), maybe the relevant comparison point for arb salaries has only gone up by a third of that. That would put it at $5.03 million… okay, let’s just use $5m, close enough.
I’ll try to compile this winter’s arbitration data and see what it reveals, but in the meantime, let’s just look at a few examples. First, let’s take Tulo. How much would Tulo get if he were arb-eligible this winter? He’s got 4 years and 33 days of service, which means 4.19 years for the purposes of our calculation (a year of service time is defined as 172 days). So my formula says that he’d get 36.6% of his free agent value. Tango says 60%.
I have Tulo projected at 5.92 WAR, so that yields a free agent value (using the $5m/win multiplier as discussed above, and adding in the league minimum salary) of $29.6m. My formula suggests that his arbitration salary would be $11.2 million… Tango’s would be $18.4 million. You see the problem there? $18 million for a second-year arb guy is insane. That just doesn’t happen. Just intuitively, I think the $11m number is a lot closer to the truth.
Next, let’s consider Matt Holliday. Holliday made $13.5m in his last year before free agency. What would he have made on the free agent market last year if he were willing to sign a one-year deal? 40/60/80 would suggest a one-year deal for $17 million. But he got $17m a year for 7 years, and on a one-year deal, he would have broken $20m easily.
Next, Ian Stewart. My formula says he should get 19% of free agent value. He projects at 2.2 WAR, so free agent value is $11m, 19% of that is $2.07m. Add the league minimum salary = $2.45m. The midpoint of his arb figures is $2.375m: bullseye. Tango’s lazy shortcut would have him making double that.
But anyway, yeah, I’ll try to put some more complete numbers together for this winter’s market…
by Heltonfan on Jan 19, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions 10 recs
Well one thing can be said for sure...
You didn’t go the lazy route talk about one awesome post that thing should be it’s own article. Always enjoy reading your stuff HF.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
agreed. This discussion is fascinating to me.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Enjoys watching Galiardi and Shattenkirk fight for my next jersey purchase.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
And it should...
I just wish there was a way to save particular comments. anyway you could copy/paste that to a fanpost so it’s easier to find for future reference.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
I'm in the process of collecting this year's arb data
Once I finish that, I’ll adjust the formula accordingly and put up a FanPost for it. Spoiler alert: thus far, it looks like my formula above is, if anything, overshooting the arbitration awards…
you need to submit this to BtB for their digestion.
This is a fantastic post.
Well, maybe tone down the vernacular a bit, I don’t think Tango’s intention was to mislead the baseball world.
Still, great post.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
I certainly don't mean to blame Tango
But I suspect he’d be the first to tell you that the 40/60/80 thing is just an off-the-cuff estimate, not the result of any rigorous analysis. It’s not his fault that so many take his words as gospel…
This is why Fowler/Stewart/Iannetta/Smith struggle
their confidence is hurt. We say hey dont worry, we’ll pay you at 60% of your value and then really pay them at 41%, so they just think they aren’t that good!
But for real, this is good stuff
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I am still getting use to all these sabermetrics.
I need to spend like a whole day just studying them to get ready for the 2011 season.
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reading is also for sabrmetricians
video or nothing
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someone paste that FIP video
because I lose it every time I see the “Forever Alone” scorekeeper
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
oh you're dead meat
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you too chuckles
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Well,
I promise to actually compete in the 2011 one.
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challenge accepted!
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You guys can fight each other for 2nd place
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The winner
gets kicked out for 2011.
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Gracious winner.
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Fowler would be drafted first
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
So assuming all teams use roughly the same measurements
Every team would come out of arbitration with a WAR surplus. With the amount of that surplus a basic function of the player’s WAR value.
.8(Supertwo expected WAR total) .6(1st year AE expected WAR total).4(2nd year AE expected WAR total)+.2(3rd year AE expected WAR total)
So how much surplus a team has at the beginning of the year really has very little to do with the Front offices ingenuity in negotiations and everything to do with the quality/quantity of AE players a team has, which says more about the Front offices handling of players development/scouting.
So wouldn’t the real value would be looking in hindsight at last year and seeing whether or not a particular team prediction of WAR from arbitration players matches up with what really happened?
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 8:54 AM MST reply actions
and somehow my + signs disappeared in posting that between the totals.
.8(Supertwo expected WAR total) + .6(1st year AE expected WAR total) + .4(2nd year AE expected WAR total) + .2(3rd year AE expected WAR total)
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
I think my problem with WAR is that the $5m/WAR figure assumes all available players must come from free agency
But they don’t. Hundreds of players are on minimum or arb salaries, and can be signed/traded for to bolster teams.
I mean, I am pretty sure the problem is with my understanding
But it’s pretty obvious that Cargo isn’t worth paying £30m a year, and yet WAR says he would be if her were a free agent. Except if he were, then no-one would pay him that. You see the problem I’m having?
So The top end isn't getting paid the right amount...
And neither is the bottom, so it’s more of a curve. In the middle it’s 5 million/win but the Pujols of the world are getting gypped and so are the cheap young players. however a Jayson Werth probably comes in at about 5 million/win. So you actually might save money per win signing the best players in the game over the middle tier. Another reason why the Tulo/Cargo deals could be awesome deals.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Wow, I dont think any player is worth £30 million per
Doesn’t that equal roughly $60m American?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 19, 2011 4:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well, that sounds reasonable.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 19, 2011 4:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well, yes. If I only had the time, I would do something like that. There's value in hindsight, but I was looking toward the future with this post.
My point was to demonstrate that even though the arbitration process has its flaws, the Rockies are getting quite a bit of surplus value out of their arb-eligible players.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:12 AM MST via mobile reply actions
We talked about this the other day in one of my ChemE classes.
Such a cool invention. This man is brilliant.
seems more mechanical than chemical
Any excuse to talk about beer though, right?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Let's hope Coors Field starts installing these soon!
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Best news ever
Best of all, a baseball fan can leave his seat at the end of a half inning, grab two properly poured beers and return without missing a single pitch.
I think the prices will still prevent that from happening
might be a short-term novelty effect tho
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that is addressed in the article by the inventor
He believes it will most affect the casual drinkers who are easily turned off by longlines, while those that are predisposed to heavier drinking at games would tend to have waited in those lines to begin with. For the most part, I agree with him. Most of the effect will probably go to casual drinkers, but there is bound to be some increase from The heavier drinking crowd, just not as much as it might initially seem
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 4:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Baseball America Top 10 List is up.
That 2014 projected lineup is drool-worthy
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
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no kidding
The rotation is so good we won’t even have a closer
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:23 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Flooding
chat with questions.
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VERY interesting quote from O'Dowd
Seems we can thank Greg Reynolds for flopping for drafting Tyler Matzek.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:27 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Reynolds + Weathers, probably
but yeah, point still stands.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
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right
Though Reynolds has to be the bigger part of that by quite a bit
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Those two paragraphs made me cry a little
Longo at 2B and Heyward in LF. Damn.
But that happens to every team, like the Blue Jays passing on Tulo in 05.
Thats probably a bad example because Romero is pretty decent
I just remember reading an article with Toronto fans bitching about passing on Tulo
Romero isn't bad.
He’s not the worst player drafted ahead of Tulo. I remember heading into draft day in ‘05, the Mariners were widely assumed to be ready to draft Tulo at #3, but changed their minds at the last minute and took Jeff Clement. Bangup job on that one. Tulo’s also been far better than Alex Gordon, but then I could see the Royals figuring out a way to screw Tulo up.
I doubt the Nats and Brewers are complaining too much about getting Zimmerman and Braun rather than Tulo, though.
I don't much mind about Heyward
Half the teams in the league passed on him. His future wasn’t obvious. Longoria, otoh, thought he would be a Rockie the day before the draft and was pretty clearly the top player available.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Longoria
If the Rockies really wanted a college pitcher that badly, that Lincecum kid was available at #2…
haven't you heard?
he’s too short to throw baseballs. FACT: only 6’8" pitchers are tall enough to reach home plate.
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With an arm everyone figured would fall off by now
and I’m still hoping it does, nothing personal against the guy.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
That was the knock, I remember.
Of course, even if his arm fell off tomorrow the Rockies would have already gotten more from him than they’ll ever get from Reynolds.
True
I just remember Reynolds being the safe pick wasn’t going to blow the roof off but he was going to be a solid 2-3 in years to come… Shows how easy it is to predict that stuff. His health has been terrible and Lincecum looks fine.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Also,
Reynolds did better in a head-to-head during the season.
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Its because Lincecum has been throwing that way his entire life
and uses his legs more than anybody, which presumably leads to a lot less stress on his arm. Or that’s my hypothesis anyway…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Its also why I think guys
who were converted to pitcher later are greater risks – and I’ll conveniently cite Casey Weathers as an example (while ignoring Esmil)…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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The flipside to that argument
is that guys who were converted to pitching later have less wear and tear on their arms — some guys who have been pitching since they were 12 practically have a dead arm by the time they graduate from college.
ooo good point
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To be fair
There was a lot of fail in the first few picks of the ‘06 draft. The Rockies weren’t the only ones (Luke Hochevar? Andrew Miller?)
I
don’t buy the part of Friedrich as being part of the change of course. Friedrich was considered to be the best left college pitcher and just dropped as other teams looked in different directions.
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I don't either
Do you have a link to the chat?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 9:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Doesn't start
until 3 ET and it’s subscribers only.
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Agreed.
I remember so many other draft followers asking what Friedrich did to piss off the other 17 teams.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
I think Friedrich might have been the beginning of the best player available
Rather then the end of the previous cycle. The injury is why they are lumping them together but that’s a weird way to clump draft picks not like the Rockies decided to switch from drafting players that would get injured to players that wouldn’t.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
I think so
Remember the Rockies were drafting at #26 that year, so a lot of the sure-thing players were already gone at that point.
Holy crap. That lineup could be amazing.
And that rotation! Friedrich as the fifth starter? Jeepers.
So arenado has the best IF arm...
but is getting shifted to 1B which I can understand. How does he project defensively at First compared to Third.
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to be fair, the club has specifically said they are keeping Arenado at third for the time being
(and his arm isn’t the problem, it’s his footwork)
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I think this is the right move
Keep him at third for now and see if he improves. If not, you can always slide him over to first later on. If you move him to 1B now, you really can’t go back very easily.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 19, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
if it is between Arenado and Stewart, Stewart definitely stays at third
He has a fine arm and is better overall defensively. Arenado projects as adequate at best at third, but his arm is The best part of his game, which would be mitigated at first. I wouldn’t expect him to be above average at first for That reason, but he would be better than Giambi.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 10:15 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Just for fun
Take a look at what they said about 2010 before the 2007 started. Make sure to look at the number one starter and closer if you want a good laugh.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
I nearly busted up when I saw that.
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that projected RF was closer than the projected one from 2009 will be
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 10:22 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I like 2014's projection an awful lot more
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Of course...
The real question is… In 2014 will we like that projection just as much, or we will be looking forward to 2018 and laughing at 2014’s.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
2010's is pretty mediocre any way you look at it
2014 has some actual upside
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But we have no closer in 2014!!
doomed
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Closer? We won't need no stinking closer.
Our starters will either throw complete games or we’ll be so far ahead in the late innings that a closer will be irrelevant.
TRUTH
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Don't need one, we're going old school. Starters go 9 for wins.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
or using the remnants of Matt Belisle's arm
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Seriously though we have some good Bullpen arms around guessing Brothers there maybe
If street is gone
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
they probably meant to put Brothers there
they put him there last year I believe, and he still looks good
by black_knight101 on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
But
we’re not supposed to take those things seriously.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
That one was actually a possibility.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
And still would be
if not for the Lopez pickup which is why I don’t mock them too much for choices like that they’re not going to predict who a team signs and blocks a young player but Stewart in RF is interesting, considering that even back then most Rockies fans were already moving Atkins away from third due to defense when stewart arrived.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
keep in mind that report came out after the 2006 season
I’m not sure any Rockies fans were in A rush to push Garrett Atkins out after that monster season. That season sparked the debate of where else Stewart could play.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 12:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Why limit Ubaldo to only 35 games pitched when as closer he could impact 50-60 games
by purplesocks on Jan 19, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
right?!
that one inning impact with a 3-run-or-less lead is totally as valuable as pitching 6-7 innings.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
I think their line of thought was
Ubaldo had really good stuff but his control wasn’t the best at that point, so they thought he’d be better off closing.
Yeah they pretty much swapped Morales for Jimenez
easy enough to do Morales still hasn’t garnered control/confidence and Jimenez has risen to the top
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
The player that everyone has listed highly that I've heard nothing about personally is Peter Tago.
What is his scouting report like?
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Found some stuff from before draft comparing him to Pedro Martinez
So I can live with that in the 3-4 slot of the rotation
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
this is the video that everyone loves to watch about Peter Tago
you only have to watch one pitch to see why everyone loves him
by black_knight101 on Jan 19, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
The one thing I do like about that video
Is he has some serious movement on his fastball.
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Yes, he has a very "snappy" quality to his pitches.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
He doesn't seem to have a different motion
for runners on vs bases empty in that video. I also wonder if he’ll have any platoon issues because of his almost sidearm delivery.
That being said, his stuff looks awesome…
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WOW!
it looks like he’s throwing a frisbee 92 mph
by BringItHome on Jan 19, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I heard more Pedro Astacio around draft day
But he has sharp movement and upper 90s fastball. Exciting stuff, but he hasn’t pitched in the minors yet. May follow the Matzek path of extended spring, then start in low-A Asheville later in the season
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 10:40 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I heard that too
Just heard 1 clip comparing him to MArtinez which of course I’m going to use :P
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
The Other thing that's nice about where the Rockies are as an organization
Is they can take these cautious paths with starters. With JLDR signed for at least 2 years the rotation is fairly set for the next year or two (injuries can always change this of course_. These young players will have to push their way onto the MLB team not just be given a spot
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Yea, throwing Friedrich in there with Reynolds and Weathers seems unfair
or like it doesn’t belong or something…
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Because he's a middle of the order middle infielder with an awesome glove and some plate discipline...
He’s actually what everybody thinks Chris Nelson is.
including being made of glass
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he is one of those guys whose potential doesn't manifest wholly in stats
Part of that is because injuries have slowed his ability for consistent playing time. But he is incredibly toolsy.
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I didn't think Toolsy translated directly to "middle of the order"
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
well, not that projected 2014 order anyway...
but he has a lot more power potential than Nelson, by middle of the order, I was talking about his 20 to 25 HR capability.
So we're thinking a 6 hole hitter or 2 hole hitter?
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
I was thinking six, but I'd personally have him bat seventh in that lineup.
Fowler
Arenado
Cargo
Tulo
Stewart
Rosario
Gomez
Parker
pitcher
Parker’s out of place in the eighth slot, but he’s more likely to draw walks than Gomez. I’m actually guessing that Stewart’s gone and Gomez hasn’t developed. For some reason I’m bullish on Parker and see a more likely 2014 lineup like this:
Fowler CF
Arenado 3B
Cargo RF
Tulo SS
Parker LF
Rosario C
Player X 1B
Field 2B
I really don’t know who Player X is, but I like the flexibility of keeping it open and think it might be easier to fill than third base.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 3:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He will have Died and Rose again by 2014
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The joke is that Jose Lopez is baseball Jesus.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
what happens in OT stays in OT
or something, I really just missed it.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
well, maybe, but we'll have to sign him at a discount.
I don’t know if the Rockies can afford a Jose Lopez type of bat.
:)
by then discounts will be affordable
as we will have to chase people off with baseball bats because they like it here so much.
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Frankly this is a case where I'm relying more on the tools than the stats.
He’s just the type of player you don’t ever really want to give up on.
I lied when I said he had some plate discipline, btw, I didn’t realize how badly it’s stagnated the last couple of seasons.
couldn't this be related to his injury history though?
when healthy, he’s always trying to make something happen instead of showing patience
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he WAS anyhow
I have to think his ceiling has dropped with all the injuries he’s sustained.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
he's still young I guess
even when healthy he doesn’t seem like a middle of the order type bat to me.
how would they drop his ceiling?
They severely impact his likelihood of reaching that ceiling, but they really don’t drop it.
Iunno, injuries make people lose swings, lose range, become unable to do things they once could.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
this certainly could be
We can’t know for sure whether his wrist injury saps his power potential. Possible, though unlikely imo.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't Seattle sign Lopez to that contract before trading him to us?
I don’t think he was ever actually unsigned while in our possession this season, and it just went largely unreported by the media.
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Yes, this is true
We did not sign Lopez.
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
by Mondogarage on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
Just think of the win surplus from that signing
Based off of RoxGirls prediction. I think she had him at 6 wins at least with her .950 OPS, and we’re paying him for less then 1 win. Nice saving of 25 million dollars.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
I know people here were talking about all the picks the Rays have in the upcoming draft
Mondo mentioned the Orioles having a spectacularly crappy draft one year. Not sure if this was it, but they had 7 picks within the first 50. They got Brian Roberts and 6 non-major leaguers. To be fair though, it doesn’t seem like there was much talent in the draft (though the second round had some good talent… and so did the 18th pick of the 13th round)
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Screw Pujols, we got Rick Cercy
He’ll be better over the long haul.
by purplesocks on Jan 19, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
post-hype sleeper alert!
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the Rays just signed infielder Daniel Mayora
If that name is familiar, its because he was a former Rockies prospect. So he just got two stars added to his name as a prospect right?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 11:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Yeap
Kind of like Yankee’s prospects when they get traded lose value.
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Haha, Mayora
I remember an OOTP league where he filled out like a madman but had an absolutely wooden glove. We nicknamed him DHaniel Mayora, and then I traded him to the Yankees for Jeff Marquez and I think Austin Jackson
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
seriously...
I was trying to argue for Wilin Rosario ahead of Jake McGee yesterday at minorleagueball.com. McGee’s got one useful pitch, is going to turn 25 years old this season, is stuck in the bullpen, and would be stuck in the bullpen for 2/3 of MLB teams. Rosario’s a 22 year old catcher with All-Star potential. Easy call right?
Nope, McGee’s actually just 24 and going to be 24 the whole year, he has a change-up which he could throw anytime he wants to and it’s a really really solid pitch despite the fact the team doesn’t want him touching it at the MLB level and his slider, which he throws ten percent of the time and has a negative value is plus, maybe super plus and really McGee is like this top of the rotation stud. ANYWHERE. WE CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA…..
can we trade Roasiaroio for this McGee person?
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Rosey-Arroyo
Is how I pronounced that.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
OT: Just decided to go to SXSW again this year instead of Spring Training
I’m confident in my decision.
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annnd wrong thread. FFS
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He was referring to Spring Training.
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I did mention Spring Training...
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And the Creator speaks.
I totally agree with you RG.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 19, 2011 4:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Got a Spring Training ticket today
For the Saturday night I’ll be there. Checked the seats available the rest of the time I’ll be in town, and I’ll take my chances for now. They looked like a lot of good seats were still available.
Thanks everyone for the heads up on getting Saturday night tickets early.
The BA chat
on the Rockies started early.
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You going to...
…keep us filled in on the big things?
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Cristhian Adames
and Rafael Ortega not even Top 30 prospects . . . yet.
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that's really interesting
Considering one of their teammates at the same age/experience was a candidate for top 10.
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Albert Campos, Charlie Blackmon (No. 11)
and Rosell Herrera all were strong candidates for top 10.
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Can you ask them what they think about Chad Bettis?
I’d like to know what they think his upside is.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Ringolsby is answering Qs.
Keeping Bettis as a starter for now.
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Pacheco
more of a super utility guy.
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Parker Frazier
could see majors end of 2011, more likely middle 2012.
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good sign for his TJ recovery
I’m still a huge Frazier fan
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I see Weathers making the majors before Frazier ..
What do you think?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 19, 2011 4:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
By "making the majors", do you mean appearing on the team in any capacity, or having a full-time spot?
Because it’s a lot more likely Casey Weathers appears this season than Parker Frazier, whether as an injury replacement or, more likely, a September callup.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
I assume Russ meant a call-up..
Which I could see happening this season. Both played in Tri-cities and Modesto last season, but Parker has been mainly showcased as a Starter (he hasn’t appeared as a reliever since before 2008). Casey’s SO/9 are amazing (12.1 in Modesto, 12.2 in his MiLB career).
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Yes,
Parker Frazier as a Sept. call-up.
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Do you see him being called up before Weathers?
His SO/9 and WHIP aren’t real special. (7.4 and 1.304 WHIP)
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See what he does in 2011, but
I’d put it at 55-45.
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Now if only George Frazier could see the minors by then...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 19, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
Rockies just signed Joe Crede
I wanted to type that a few years ago.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 2:03 PM MST via mobile reply actions
(pretty much my reaction as well)
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Minor league deal with
NRI I’m assuming?
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
yep
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yep
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 2:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
@realRockies
Im still not good at c/p links on this phone
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You need the tinyURL app, makes links easier.
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Can you like via moble?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Rockiesroster.com is also showing him as having signed a minor league deal
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
But it also says he has 0.000 service time
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Because I haven't updated it yet
Still looking for it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I've updated it to his last known.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
http://twitter.com/#!/RealRockies/status/27833386148036609
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Ian Stewart
THE_IAN_STEWART ian stewart
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I would have tried that
just for the hell of it.
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He offered to buy lunch for anyone meeting him
He likes the SmashBurger on Colorado Blvd.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
I used to be normal until I met these losers I now call my friends.
"Cheap tacos are rightous!"-My Daughter
Dude, I live 2 minutes from that
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
And there's going to be precipitation falling soon
You should take a walk.
72 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Snow is already falling here
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
It's perfect then
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
I was just out on a walk to the mailbox.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
oh god bless it I would totally go do that
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
OT: The last time i cried..
Was when I couldn’t meet Ian Stewart for a free lunch at Smashburgers.
@charliedrysdale
by Charlie77 on Jan 19, 2011 4:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I wish I wasn't at work right now.
I’d totally take him up on that offer.
Well, I believe in the soul, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
Sounds like Cashman didn't want to sign Soriano
72 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 19, 2011 2:24 PM MST reply actions
Just curious...
Are the Rockies opening up any more opportunities for Purple Row to interview any of their personal or players.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 2:59 PM MST reply actions
And I'll refrain
from making snide remarks about the FO and that kind of stuff.
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Another idea would be if any players would maybe be willing to contribute
and if the Rockies would let them.
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
CRAZY RUMOR:
WE AlReaDY havE 1!!!!
(Not true in the least bit.)
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I have wondered since we know that some players or at lesat their representatives read
i.e Matt reynolds makes you wonder if any of them comment
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
I'm secretly Troy Tulowitzki.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
not even close on personality
But I am secretly Jeff Francis.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 3:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hence the absurdity of the comment. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'm secretly Troy Tulowitzki
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Enjoys watching Galiardi and Shattenkirk fight for my next jersey purchase.
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I know better.
But that would be hilarious.
Well, I believe in the soul, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
Self loathing huh?
Optimism Warrior
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Todd and Troy: Because they ARE Rockies.
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
wolf made a funny?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 19, 2011 4:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
you'd better watch out
I know of someone who might be creeping around your house trying to steal articles of clothing and such
by Andrew Martin on Jan 19, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'm also Matt Belisle.
He can guard.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 19, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Don't be ridiculous
I’m far too many miles away to pull that off :-)
71 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
Apparently the Yankees offered Carl Pavano a 1 year, $10 million contract + incentives. And he turned them down.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Still hates Tulo, but is quickly losing momentum.
Enjoys watching Galiardi and Shattenkirk fight for my next jersey purchase.
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The article said he thought about it though.
Well, I believe in the soul, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
The Yankees will come back with 3/45, and he'll turn that down, too
Then sign with the Twins for 1/8m.
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
How much does that say about the state of the Yankee's rotation
going back to pavano…
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 19, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Well
the new stadium hasn’t been very nice to pitchers with a PF of 113 according to b-r, not that it matters too much. It’s still funny.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Isn't it great!?!?!
71 more days until the Rockies Home Opener!!!!!!!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2011 8:10 AM MST up reply actions
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