Thursday Rockpile: Amezaga = AAA gemz
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PrintRockies make another deal for depth - The Denver Post
Yeah, it's not super exciting, but Alfredo Amezaga's another helpful piece on a minor league contract with a NRI. It's peculiar that the Denver Post ties this into Jason Giambi's re-signing, though, as that would imply that before Giambi came back, the Rockies weren't interested in Amezaga or this type of super-utility player, when I've been under the impression that the Rockies have liked players like this for some time now.
Alex Anthopoulos, Theo Epstein are top stars of the winter - Jon Heyman - SI.com
The baseball stars of this winter include four of the five general managers in the American League East. Yes, that's every one of them except for that poor GM who has four World Series rings
...and yet Jon Heyman includes Yankees ownership as #3 for overpaying a set-up man to give the AL East five for five. Seriously. If bullpen makeovers were so valuable, I would think Arizona or Oakland would get more attention, even Detroit. So saying that, I don't know how much credit we can give to anything on this list. Keep that in mind before getting too pleased that Dan O'Dowd is rated fourth.
Los Angeles Angels, Jered Weaver open contract extension talks - ESPN Los Angeles -I include this because Scott Boras was also one of Heyman's winners, and the Angels will have to deal with him to sign Weaver. The Angels and Boras have a particularly acrimonious relationship yet this article is hopeful because of the precedent set by Carlos Gonzalez.
Rosenthal: Rockies still looking | Inside the Colorado Rockies - We already nabbed Amezaga, and Miles is now out of the running, so look for another minor league starter (like Rodrigo Lopez) or two and a LOOGY to fill out the team's depth needs. With the 40 man roster already filled to the point of overflowing, these signings would show that while O'Dowd says it takes 40 players to be competitive, he means it actually could take 50 or so.
2011 top 10 prospects: Colorado Rockies and San Diego Padres - The Hardball Times
Matt Hagen takes a less than informed and overly dismissive look at Rockies prospects. For example, Wilin Rosario's arm has consistently been among the best in the minors at throwing out baserunners to the point that he's now also one of the least frequently run on catchers, and while I am worried how the ACL recovery will impact his improvement in his one weakness, pitch blocking, his defense is more than "passable". Hagen's inability to understand power development is also leading him to make a similar mistake with Nolan Arenado that he implies he made with Rosario (calling 2010 a breakout for Rosario indicates that Modesto park and age effects may have limited his ability to see Rosario's true talent level in 2009) as the power potential of Arenado looks very real at this point.
Jose Lopez, Prospect - Lookout Landing
I've already been on the record in stating that I think Jose Lopez is going to have a big breakout in 2011. If I'm right, I'm guessing that said breakout will be entirely attributed to Coors Field when that will only be one big part of why it could occur. Moving out of Safeco will be an equally big part, and lesser parts will likely include the "change of scenery", the contract season, and likely at least a little bit of a change in how Lopez approaches his at bats. At any rate, Jeff Sullivan takes a retrospective look at what Lopez was like as a prospect for the Mariners, and his big takeaway is that there has been no progression, except for in maybe Lopez's belt size. And the amount of Lopez themed GIF's, but that's probably a function of the market:
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Keith Law also released his top ten prospects for each organization this morning
Solid list, although he does notate Kyle Parker as a first baseman.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&page=LawTop10ByTeam
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 8:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions
he also released his overall top 100 prospects
24-Matzek
69-Rosario
87-Friedrich
92-Arenado
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&page=LawTop10ByTeam
Sorry for the long links.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 9:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'll have to find that
Thanks. By the time I learn to optimize using this phone, it will be time for a new one.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 10:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
The Brewers don’t have a single guy in his top 100 while the Rays have nine.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
That's because Prince Fielder ate them all.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
The Brewers traded a lot of guys recently in an effort to bolster their rotation with Greinke and Marcum
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like all of them
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
p much
they’re going for broke. They lose Fielder after 2011, and with the trades they were able to make, they were kind of in a choice between “boost the staff, try and take the division and then go through a rebuild” or “let Prince go/trade Prince, try to compete, probably be mediocre for the next few years”.
I don’t necessarily know if they made the right choice. Not having Jack Z at the helm of their development system will be interesting to watch.
They have a decent team on the field, and not having to pay Fielder oodles could potentially give them the leeway to make some other supplementary FA signings to kind of fill in the gaps. It’s not an awful team. They have Greinke for 2 more years, as well as Gallardo and Marcum. Braun isn’t going anywhere, neither is Hart.
The tough part for them will be restocking their farm with middling draft slots.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
But to their benefit, they're in the NL Central
Which means they’re always going to be surrounded by at least 2-3 horrible to merely mediocre competitors, as well as the Cubs.
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exactly.
I like Milwaukee’s chances of making some good noise in the next year or two.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Especially with that lineup
All they need is decent pitching and they are a huge threat to take the Central
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
yes
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In a way it's his third chance with the club, if you count that we originally drafted him in 1998, but he didn't sign.
He lasted all of three plate appearances with the Rockies in 2005 before getting put on waivers as part of the team’s scramble for an effective bullpen. That April was a pretty disastrous period in the O’Dowd era.
I was going to say the same things about the Hardball Times article
Especially about Arenado. 12 homers as a teenager in A ball in less than 400 AB. Yeah, I would call that promising.
another issue with it: "a bit of power" for Kyle Parker.
Parker’s power potential is just behind Michael Choice as far as the 2010 college crop, and it’s a legitimate plus tool. I think Choice is already likely to bust given an enormous K rate in the NWL (even for a 120 PA’s, at that extreme it’s a big red flag) which leaves Parker well ahead of him by default right now. The swing issues are at the moment being over-emphasized, and Kyle’s got a solid chance to be a Josh Willingham type, and a small chance to be even better than that. He’s definitely getting overlooked by many.
I should say that I do generally agree with his assessments of the Rockies pitchers, although I’d probably rank them differently.
what do you think of Keith Law listing Parker as a 1B
Before he has even stood in a professional outfield?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 9:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
premature at best...
Parker could be a Holliday type of fielder, if he develops really really well, a Larry Walker. He’s a lot more mobile than you’d expect for a pocket passer.
We can only hope
that if Helton’s offensive regression is as drastic from 2010 to this season as it was last year that he will have the same type of class as Meche at the end of this season.
Not saying it will happen but the bat was very slow last year and if it slows any moret his year than he needs to realize that he is no longer an asset to the team.
Steinbrenner has no business being on this list
I don’t really get why Ned Colletti is on here either—Dodgers haven’t made any real impact moves. Maybe for making the most of a bad situation?
Levi Knutson = X-FACTOR
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Dodgers rotation is more than solid
they did a great job building a weakness into a strength
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Jon Garland in Chavez =/= Jon Garland in Petco..
and here’s my other evidence that Ned Colletti doesn’t deserve to be on this list, provided by Colletti’s alter twitter ego:
How am I paying Manny Ramirez more than the #Rays are this season? Why does this keep happening to me?
@DodgersGM
this list rates this year's offseason only
and Garland will still do just fine at the Ravine, especially as a 5/6 starter
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Their rotation really didn't change all that much though
Kershaw, Billingsley, Lilly, and Kuroda were all there in the second half of last season while they were losing games.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
I sort of understand Colletti,
the Dodgers rotation was a mess heading into 2010, while it has stability now, and Colletti fixed it creatively given the way LA’s ownership is handcuffing him. That said, it’s a leaking dam situation, where as he’s plugging one hole, another one pops open. Their offense could be what holds them back this season.
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I want onsite reports of the pitchers’ early D.R. prep.
I want a webcam on Carney’s sessions with CDI and Caber.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
Not even because they overpaid Soriano
but moreso, how do you call the Yankees winners when they didn’t get their publicly stated number 1 target FA signing?
And when they're only improvement is paying $12-13m a year for a setup guy
And resigning a 36 year old shortstop to a way overpaid contract until he’s 40.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
But he could play in the outfield!
They also resigned a 40yr old closer to stay until he’s 42. Does the cutter have a shelf-life?
it doesn't look like it
I have zero trouble with them resigning Mariano. He’s likely on the legit decline, but when you post a 1.80 ERA and 2.81 FIP, yeah, that’s pretty good.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
When you start at Mariano's level
Decline means you start to head towards Above Average.
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seriously
the guy was an otherworldly pitcher and hasn’t deviated THAT much from it.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
I think you can answer your own question with your east coast bias gif.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting point on Matt Hagen's THT article..
Where he is suprised by Rosario’s power burst and then discounts Arenado in the very next paragraph. My favorite part of that article is the organization’s top 10 players under the age of 26. Four of them are already starters in the big leagues and that doesn’t even count Tulo who just turned 26 in October.:
1. Carlos Gonzalez / OF
2. Jhoulys Chacin / SP/RP
3. Dexter Fowler / OF
4. Christian Friedrich / SP
5. Tyler Matzek / SP
6. Ian Stewart / 3B
7. Wilin Rosario / C
8. Nolan Arenado / 3B
9. Chad Bettis / SP/RP
10. Peter Tago / SP
I like all ten of those players more than Tulo
So that part is accurate.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 27, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
like them all personally, or as players?
That’s really a strange statement, as I’ve doubt you’ve met all eleven.
It was meant to reflect my general distaste of Tulo type personalities.
If any of the other players end up similarly, I’ll reconsider that statement. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 27, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Okay, I understand now...
I’ve said it before, but if Tulo was on another NL West team, he’d be on my dislike list for his chippy personality, but that said, I think I recall you liking Tim Lincecum’s personality, and I don’t see much difference between the two, other than Lincecum possibly adds a bit more of a stoner vibe to it.
I'll take exception to that...
a bit more of a stoner vibe to it.
just a bit?
by Chacinisthefuture on Jan 27, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Haha I was thinking this as well
Cmon now Wolf :P especially after what Lincecum said about the baseballs at Coors, he’s gotta be in the top 3 most hated player.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 11:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll just say it, without regard to whether it comes out wrong: if you don’t like Tulo’s personality you probably didn’t play ball or hang out with many ballplayers in your academic career. I’ll grant he’s got some ‘bro’ tendencies but I have seen no compelling evidence that he’s overtly douche-baggy.
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by Franchise26 on Jan 27, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I agree it could be a lot worse. It’s just enough of that mentality to know that I’d probably really dislike it from a team I’m not rooting for. I’d describe it like a personality that I’d find kind of endearing in a brother or a cousin but not so much when selecting friends who I’d want to hang out with.
See, I think that's where we differ.
But then most of my friends in high school and college were like that.
Well, I believe in the soul, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
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I played baseball about 10 years of my life (hoping to play college ball next year, pray for me). Tulo is IMO the prototypical leader. Have never seen him get into any scandals, or any team problems. I just really don’t understand it. But whatever, I’m going to stay out of it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
then don't understand it
People’s tastes are different. You show me where any Tulowitzki detractors say “God I wish we would trade him he is such an awful person and he makes the team worse by his presence” and I will get on their cases completely. But people are just saying they don’t like him. You’re allowed to not like him and still appreciate what he brings to the team.
Fun example: Brian Wilson. He’s one of the better closers in MLB. His stupid shoepolish beard and unbuttoned jersey and mohawk infuriate me. I think he looks like a raging douchebag. I can’t stand him. But if he were on our team, I’d be stoked that we have a reliever that good. It’s the same thing with Tulowitzki. His stupid mullet/rat tail/whatever and Miley Cyrus and lollipop throws, they annoy the hell out of me. But damn if I’m not thrilled that the Colorado Rockies have the best SS in baseball.
Making fun of Tulo’s douchier aspects is totally fine by me. Tell me he sucks at baseball, then we have problems.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
I think that about covers it
stupid Wilson
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I completely understand because
Everybody has that irrational hate based on judgments. I see the point a little clearer now (in regards to Tulo growing out a rat tail/Miley Cyrus stuff like that).
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
That's OK, because..
Vin Scully doesn’t like Tulo’s hair, or at least he doesn’t understand what it is. If you’re jonesing for some baseball today, this audio clip makes for a nice reminder of what we have in store for us next month. Spoken by the greatest voice to ever cover baseball, about the second-greatest shortstop in baseball history (no it’s not hyperbole dangit).
Lookout Landing was pretty harsh on Jose Lopez..
and that’s why I’m a little wary of his predicted resurrection here. But I found this comment to be pretty funny:
I was promised Miguel Tejada
Lopez is a disappointment.
Maybe Lopez just needs a little more B-12 in his diet?
Royals Review was harsh on JDLR.
DRaysBay saw Hammel giving up 30 HR a year or more. Think of Purple Row’s likely skepticism of a recovery should we ever lose Franklin Morales, or even Ian Stewart or Chris Iannetta. LL’s skepticism was why I initially hated this deal, but you hit on why it’s important to look past that. They’re really down on Lopez for what he wasn’t, not for what he is.
You've consistently defended Lopez since we acquired him..
and I admire that, but I’m skeptical of the turnaround he will provide. I honestly believe Hector Gomez will provide more value for the Rockies over the next two years.
Lopez is likely to depart the organization after this year, so that statement could be a bit looaded against him...
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 27, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
then again, Gomez is likely to add near zero value in 2011, so it's a pretty even split.
I’d definitely take that bet for Lopez, though.
okay, you're on. I like Gomez too, I just don't see him breaking out in a big way in 2012.
What’s the measurement we should use? Is f-WAR alright? I have no problem with their UZR for infielders.
is this where we place bets against a Lopez resurgance?
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wanna bet?
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wRC+ below 95?
I still think this number is too high, but it leaves room for the inevitable LOLCOORZ improvement.
With your optimistic predictions, this should be a fairly easy benchmark for him to hit.
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hmm... that's a tricky bet to take.
I think 95 or more wRC+ is likely, it just seems that I’d be taking a lot of the risk with this one. I would think anything over 90 (it’s a park adjusted stat, IIRC) qualifies as a resurgence for a guy who had a mark of 66 last season. I think I might be game anyway. What should the stakes be?
it's probably a bit high, but keep in mind you predicted a .920 OPS earlier....
How about this for a bet.
I’m willing to buy a Tulo jersey and wear it to our playoff opener (with pics as evidence). I will also change my avatar and sig to a Tulo-lovefest from the last day of the regular season until Opening Day 2012.
In return, you have to post a pic of yourself.
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I'm thinking about it.
Those are high stakes for that bet. I think I’ll probably take it though. I’ll let you know before pitchers and catchers report.
Fair enough.
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As an agent, I get to see a lot of small prrint
And both of your forfeits are hopelessly vague. What happens if the Rox don’t make the playoffs re Muzia’s shirt? A pic of RG could be anything (indeed, isn’t the current avatar a pic of RG?) – you’d have to define it almost as well as the passport office defines appropriate passport pics, otherwise she’ll find a way around it :)
I agree with Matt though – is an OPS of .920 and a WRC+ of 95 actually mathematically possible?
Let me know if you want a fair but anal mediator!
You're hired! Be here on the day pitchers report
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ok you need to draw up appropriate terms then.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it has to be roughly equal on both sides
If Matt is going to have to shell out a good sum to buy a jersey, then RG should really provide something of equal value. If this is photographic, then perhaps she could make a pose suggested by Matt, or wear something of his choosing (subject in both cases to taste and decency obv), with full face obligatory?
Matt should wear the Tulo jersey (official merchandise only) either to the first play-off game or the home opener of the 2012 season. If it’s clear he’s lost the bet before the final regular season games of 2011, one of those may be substituted.
I would have thought the deal has to be 95 WRC+ IMO (or maybe 94.5 so that there’s no chance of a tie), because we can’t let the .920 OPS claim be forgotten, but the terms of the wager itself must be negotiated by the parties themselves.
What do you think? The bet still seems a bit unbalanced to me but Matt proposed the terms so if he’s okay with that, that’s cool.
I think I might not be taking this bet after all if the "impartial" mediator
keeps siding with Muzia on everything.
The way everybody keeps bringing it up suggests that the .920 OPS thing never would have been forgotten with or without a bet, and my unfortunate bravado at the time worded it as a prediction, when I’ve always seen it as an upper estimate of what Lopez would be capable of at Coors. I’ve never really minded going out on a limb though when it’s just comments in a blog at stake. I think I have accomplished my purpose there of getting more Rockies fans to take a closer look at what he could be capable of.
is this where we place bets against a Lopez resurgance?
A 94.5 wRC+ is an okay plus or minus figure for Lopez, it’s just not a bet against a resurgence for a player that hit as poorly as he did last season, but a bet a bet against a total resurrection/renaissance (which is admittedly what I am projecting). That was where my initial concern came, but I got over it.
Second, a picture has obviously a very significant perceived or symbolic value for Muzia whether it’s monetarily valuable or not. I think we both understood the implied “must include the face.” A truly impartial mediator would not be making judgments of the value offered by either side, as long as both parties were in agreement that the value was exchangeable.
Fair enough
If you’re both okay with implications then you don’t need a mediator! It’s a good bet – I’ll look forward to seeing who’s right.
It's where the club sells tix to folks to actually
go to the Spring Training site and spend a week doing drills and playing baseball with former ballplayers. Most clubs do this, and it’s definitely not cheap ($4500 or so for Rox camp).
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/col/fan_forum/fantasycamp.jsp
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by Charlie77 on Jan 28, 2011 12:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
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What’s the Rockies’ biggest need, now that they’ve locked up Tulo and CarGo?
Klaw (2:17 PM)
Cash?
Great response, if he's trying to be humorous
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I’m kind of surprised you like Ben Revere ahead of Joe Benson. Do you think Benson’s contact will remain that much of an issue
Klaw (1:35 PM) Didn’t look good in AFL against offspeed. Charlie Blackmon was the same. I love the tools packages on both guys but at some point you have to hit the breaking ball.
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Did the EdtheUmp thing ever get discussed here?
Turns out his inside information was about a Michael Young trade all along. I guess he let the cat out of the bag over the weekend and Steve at ITR brought it up in the comments on this article.
BZZZZZZZZZZT wow was he wrong
And considering the Rockies have denied any discussions with the Rangers at all about this since the meetings, and considering the Rangers didn’t get Napoli until a couple days ago, I’m going to comfortably predict that EdtheUmp probably works for the NHL.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
EdtheBlindhockeyref?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 27, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
I think that was also mondo's doing
But I’m now thinking RicktheRevisionistHistorian.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Or PercytheMonforts'PoolCleaner
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
I forget which side you were on in the Adrian Gonzalez "does he have a deal already in place" discussion...
because teams have stopped discussing something could mean that parameters are already in place for a deal to happen at some point once both are ready. In this case, I’m guessing it’s an amount of money in Young’s contract that somebody with the Rockies thinks that the Rangers will eventually acquiesce to eating. I still think EdtheUmp sincerely thought he had insider intel from somebody in position to have it, but has so far been burned by the shifting nature of how teams react when dominoes fall a certain way.
I was on the side of no deal already in place, and still am
EdtheUmp claimed to have his inside info from the Monforts themselves. And by all historical standards, the Monforts are not guilty of loose lips.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
And remember, this was already said to have been a done deal, just waiting for the announcement
Clearly, and I mean crystal clearly, this is absolutely not the case.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
obviously not,
It wasn’t a done deal but that’s making my scenario, of agreed to and known parameters more sensible, isn’t it? I could see fan interpreting something that slips out like that as a “done deal”.
No, in this case I disagree
Not really. Because if the parameters were known, and they involved the Rangers needing Napoli, they would have just traded for Napoli, and not sat back hoping some other team would make an otherwise unnecessary transaction.
And the Rockies would have stopped trading for (and signing) infield candidates, whether for depth or otherwise, because they’d already know they were getting one more.
In theory, yes, general parameters can be out there. But in the face of complete denial of even any discussions since the meetings…in this case, no.
That does not mean the Rangers can’t call up DOD and say out of the blue “we’ll eat $33m of his remaining dollars, are you interested?” Of course if that happens, we would be. But that is also counter to any alleged inside info.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
I think you're seeing things too specifically, too black and white and immutable,
and that’s precisely the danger that EdtheUmp ran into in his own way. It was never something like Jon Daniels saying “well if we sign Beltre and acquire Napoli, we’ll swallow $30 million and trade you Young. Let’s talk in a month.”
It was probably more like Daniels told O’Dowd what it would take from the Rockies to get Young at O’Dowd’s specified X amount of salary eaten, which they would be inclined to if Young became redundant to them because of other off-season moves (which happened to be Beltre, plus I’m guessing Thome at the time to make EtU think it was imminent) and if the Rangers should decide to go that far in salary, and O’Dowd agreeing to those parameters.
Thome sort of did a surprise end around and went back to the Twins though, and until the Napoli trade, that redundancy of Young wasn’t completely there. Now it is, sort of (Napoli’s not quite Thome) and Daniels has to go back to whether he thinks the trade is worth it. If he does, it’s still likely the same trade that was talked about in Orlando that would take place, not some completely revamped deal.
I don't disagree with your 2nd paragraph at all....
….except for the Thome part, because he never really seemed inclined to go anywhere except back to the Twins, but I digress.
What is clear is that a) the Rockies were/are interested in Young (but only at the right cost in payroll dollars), b) the Rangers were interested in moving him (and are even more interested now), and c) Young is barely moveable now because of his no-trade, and becomes almost immovable in May.
All I’m trying to say though, is that the self-congratulatory crowing of some alleged insider who likely felt some need to show off an inflated ego, was completely garbage at the time, because intervening events have shown that to be completely garbage. Because if it were at all true, then the intervening moves would simply not have been made. Remember, this was to be an impending announcement of a done deal — not a deal that hmmm…may make baseball sense for both clubs and may happen if one party eventually concludes some day that they’re willing to eat enough $$$ to make it happen.
We’re looking at different issues here. Your issue is that, yeah, Young could conceivably become a Rockie, and I agree with that.
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I think you missed when Rox girl said
That The issue is likely that Ed connected dots that were not yet connected. So many variables go until deals like this, it is certainly possible it WAS a done deal at the tIme until something changed. Regardless, he wasn’t some guy just yapping ignorantly.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 1:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"Regardless, he wasn’t some guy just yapping ignorantly."
Absent evidence to the contrary, I respectfully disagree.
I did not miss what RG said, actually.
Of course many variables go into deals…and citing a deal’s done and an announcement is imminent (but just awaiting CarGo’s signature on his own deal), goes far far beyond an implication that an agreement is there. It’s flat out saying that the variables have been solved.
And clearly, this is not the case, I don’t know how to make that any more plain.
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I have found out that Ed does have a legitimate connection to the Monforts, and you can trust me on that
Just because the trade did not happen does not mean it wasn’t strongly considered or discussed. I’ll admit there’s been so much smoke about Young that a lot has been artificially created, but there certainly had to be quite a bit of fire there to begin with. I really have no doubts at this point that The Rockies tried in earnest to acquiring Young. Don’t get too tripped up in standard posturing.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 12:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"strongly considered or discussed"
What he claimed was that it was already a done deal.
I have no idea what his connection is, but in all seriously, being Dick Monfort’s gardener at his house is a legitimate connection to the Monforts.
I mean, I can actually claim a connection to the Rockies’ front office, as well, and that wouldn’t mean I have squat for inside info.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Ugly Dickshot
He was a real mlb player. Read about him and his other strange-named brethren here: http://t.co/J5gjiwE
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Was that before or after the Packers traded him?
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Amazing.
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Do good, Galiardi. Seriously.
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Nice link!
Cowboy Jones is one of my favorite names. He was the second Colorado born player in the majors.
A ballplayer named Urban Shocker also died in Colorado.
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Urban Shocker was one of the better pitchers of the 1920's...
He won at least 20 games four straight seasons for the Browns, was traded to the Yankees and went 18-6 for the all-powerful ’27 Yankees. Sadly, he developed tuberculosis and moved to Denver in hopes of a cure; but he died in September of 1928.
We have now entered my least favorite part of the offseason
We’re pushing three months of no baseball, we’re still almost a month away from pitchers and catchers reporting, all the big name free agents have signed, and most of the arb stuff has been taken care of.
Now there’s not much left to do but wait.
/sigh
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I've been trying to find some games in the DR or Caribbean League
no luck so far
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I mean that have some Rockies players
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remember last year when we found that Ubaldo game?
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
I've been furiously trying to find a game
but alas not to be found. I do see that Rogers and Deduno are playing in the Carribean League. Not quite the same as Ubaldo…but you know maybe just a little fix will get us through.
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Serendipity that was
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what a great night
I watched part of it at the office then raced home and caught the tail end of the Ubaldo part
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Sadly, Ubaldo's performance was not too good
But he sure made up for it with a no-no :)
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One thing I've actually really been enjoying is MLB's 20 Greast games series on MLB Network
I highly recommend it. They’ve only done four so far so there’s still plenty left and they do an excellent job of setting the table before each game as well as go into some crazy baseball stuff that happens during the game.
So far……………
#20: May 17, 1979
Phillies 23 – Cubs 22 in 10 innings
#19: Game 4, 2003 NLDS
Marlins 7 – Giants 6 (Marlins win the series as JT Snow gets thrown out at home plate. That felt good to watch)
#18: Game 5, 1980 NLCS
Phillies 8 – Astros 7 in 10 innings (Phillies advance to the World Series after coming from three runs down in the 8th to beat Nolan Ryan and win the 4TH STRAIGHT GAME THAT WENT TO EXTRA INNINGS in this series.) I urge you to check out some of these amazing box scores
#17: Game 4, 2004 ALCS
Red Sox 6 – Yankees 4 in 12 innings
Anybody have any guesses for #1? ( They must have taken place in the last 50 years)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I know what I *want* it to be, but I'll be surprised if it makes the Top 5
Heck, I’ll only be mildly shocked if it’s not on the list.
My guess for #1 will be either Game 6, 1975 WS, or Game 7, 1991 WS
Game 6, 1986 NLCS would be an awesome candidate.
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Game 6 of the 1986 World Series would be a great one too
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
This should be Number 1!
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I bet it comes in between 10 and 15
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking
I’m legit hoping for between 6-10
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I don't think it's out of the question when you really take everything into consideration
10 things this game has going for it
1) It was a play in game so it had the same feel as Game 5 or Game 7.
2) It went 13 innings; more than almost any other game that should appear on this list.
3) It had four lead changes; more than almost any other game that should appear on this list.
4) It was the centerpiece of Rockies miracle 21 out of 22 run to get to the World Series so it was part of something much, much bigger.
5) That season’s Cy Young winner Jake Peavy started the game for San Diego
6) It included a Grand Slam
7) It included controversy (not only at the end but also with the Atkins HR/double in the 7th)
8)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
Game 6 or game 7 of the 2001 WS will be number 1
Game 163 should crack the top 5
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Certainly not game 6
It wasn’t close at all.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Which game tied the series and sent it back to Yankee Stadium?
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Game 5
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Actually nobody cares about that game
because we didn’t win the world series.
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Because neither the Yankees nor Red Sox nor Phillies played in that game.
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by Junction Rox on Jan 27, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
And it was teh Rockies/Padres
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didn’t get to finish
8) The team down by 2 runs with three outs left won
9) It ended with a play at the plate. (That’s considered by many the most exciting way for a game to end)
10) If anything it’s become more historically significant because look at how many great players were in it. (Both at that time and those who have become great) Helton, Holliday, Tulo, Peavy, Hoffman, A. Gonzalez….ect
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
These are all great reasons why it *should* be
But “should be” doesn’t make it “will be”.
All I’m saying is, be prepared to be let down.
It should easily be in Top 10. Can arguably be in Top 5. Will likely be in Second 10. Might ever so possibly be not in the list at all, but this is highly unlikely.
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I'll add one
11) The teams played 18 games that season and couldn’t decide who was better. Even an extra 9 innings didn’t decide that.
Oh, well if that's the case....
….I’m somewhat more convinced it may not even end up in the top 20.
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I made lots of people vote for it
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
actually
You didn’t make any of us vote for it.
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Technically true
I did urge people to vote for it though
Some didn’t cooperate :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
And yet it has one thing going really hard against it
It was Colorado vs. San Diego.
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It's a good thing ESPN isn't doing this series
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, I will certainly grant you that.
ESPN would be like “seriously, you’re kidding. There’s not even a baseball team called the Rockies”.
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Best game I have ever watched in my life.
I'm GoRockies!! everybody :P
by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
They are further along in the series than that aren't they?
it feels like I watched that episode a month ago. Anyway it is a great series. Interviews with players from the game and in depth commentary on circumstances surrounding the games. It’s a lot of fun to watch. Greatest game ever I agree with Mondo Game 6 1975 WS or Game 6 1986 NLCS
The funny part is...
I watched both those games on TV the first time they were on.
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Really
That 1986 NLCS series is the first time I remember being enthralled with baseball.
The 1986 post season may have been the greatest of all time
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
IAWTC so hard
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Actually I don't agree with this.
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It's pretty tough to argue against it
The California Angels and the Red Sox played a pretty dramatic 7 game series. The NLCS may have been the most dramatic series of all time especially the last two games. The world series that year will live on to be one of the most remembered.
One what basis?
Every round in that post season went to max # of games, with insane comebacks in each series.
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If it's so great
why can’t I name who ended up winning the world series?
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Because of your speech impediment that prevents you from saying
M-E-T-S METS METS METS?
And because you’re too young to actually remember the 1986 postseason playing itself out?
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I was 5
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't make me feel old
My joints make me feel old. That I remember Joe Garagiola broadcasting NBC’s Game of the Week makes me feel old.
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I was two months old
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 27, 2011 3:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
To go with age
My parents weren’t even married until November of that year, and I was born 1.5 years later.
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Well, now I feel a bit younger
Your parents got married a few months before I did. For the first time.
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Oh, and I'm a few months younger now....
than my dad was during the 1986 WS.
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If it makes you feel any better I was in college in '86...
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Go Bruce!
I've done that during
all the playoff games the Rockies have had.
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Not saying it's a fault
But you asked why, and I gave you a perfect reason why.
Now, I’d argue the 1991 World Series was probably the single best World Series of the last 50 years, but the 1986 postseason was the best postseason of all time.
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And besides Apu - who cares about the mets?
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No one at all.
Actually, an old housemate of mine, but I digress.
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I was rooting for them in 2006
and I was so pissed at Carlos Beltran for “lol looking” that I turned the TV off and went to sleep right then.
yeah, I was THAT pissed.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
To this day I think the Mets should have bunted after Valentin and Chavez led off the 9th with singles
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I was so pissed I couldn't sleep for two nights.
yeah I was THAT pissed.
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I was sort of a mets fan in 86
My best friend in 86 was a huge Mets fan so I rooted for them. Honestly back in 86 all I cared about was tennis till my friend made me watch that series
The NY METS
and yes you should absolutely know this. “A slow roller” well I can’t remember it exactly but it was one of the most dramatic events ever in baseball
The 1986 postseason led to....
death threats on Bill Buckner
and actual death to the Angels’ closer.
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So the winning run is at second base, with two outs, three and two to Mookie Wilson. (A) little roller up along first… behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight, and the Mets win it!
Broke my heart
I was a Sox fan through most of the late 70s and mid 80s…heck, pretty much until July 5, 1991.
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Calvin Schiraldi at times
At other times, Bob Stanley, iirc
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Stanley gave up the winning run
this is the question I hear Red Sox fans ask seemingly band wagon fans to test and see if they are real fans
Hahah...I like it
I sorta became a fan because of the ’75 series. I liked Lynn, Yaz, Fisk, et al.
But I can’t say I was hardcore because:
a) I lived in Miami
b) The O’s held spring training in Miami, and I was at least equally an O’s fan. In fact, Mark Belanger was my favorite player.
But I more or less stayed with the Sox, and when they drafted Clemens, Schiraldi, and Spike Owen from UT (I was living in Austin by ’78), I became more focused.
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I've got it minimized and am just listening to Vin Scully
It gives me goosebumps
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Mets Astros only went 6 games but Game 6 went so many innings I'll count it for two games.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
2003 is up there as well
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
You know what really tells you that those games were great?
In Game 7 of BOTH the 1975 and 1986 World Series the Red Sox took a 3-0 lead into the 6th inning and lost; yet almost nobody remembers that. Usually if a team is up 3-0 with 12 outs to go in a game 7 and doesn’t close the door, it’s remembered forever.
NOT HERE!!!!! Both of these Game 6’s were so incredible that they completely overshadowed what were very good game 7’s. The fact that the Red Sox did this twice is mind blowing.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Nope
It only airs once a week on Monday nights at 8:00pm so it will take 20 weeks ot complete. I’m enjoying the heck out of it though.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
#18 1980 Astros vs. Phillies in game 5 was a fantastic game. Back when it was a 5 game series for NLCS.
I had gone the day before to game 4 and I can honestly say that is the loudest building I’ve ever been in. The place was literally shaking.
Again, Astros were up by two going into the 8th and Phils scored 3 to take the lead. ’Stros score 1 in the bottom of the 9th to force extra innings. Then the Phils win in the 10th.
One of the most exciting games I’ve ever been to.
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oh my.
There was talk after last season that flame-throwing Aroldis Chapman would be part of the starting rotation this season, but Bavasi says it probably won’t happen – and may never happen.
"A decision has not been made, but I think it is going to be impossible to get him out of the bullpen," said Bavasi. "You build your pitching staff from the back to the front – if we can shut you down in the eighth and ninth innings, you aren’t going to beat us."
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So the Reds spent, what...$30m+ on a setup guy?
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Maybe they are thinking closer?
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Well, I imagine they are
But he sure didn’t look like a closer against us last season.
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This brings up a whole slew of interesting topics
Stuff about incentives to preserve a resource (like a 105 mph fastball) as long as possible, both against the ravages of time, and against over use. Or how the utility (or silliness) of long-term reliever contracts affect that calculation. Or even how most teams are better served using a guy’s arm as much as possible before he becomes unaffordable; let somebody else deal with the consequences of all of those pitches he threw.
I can’t really put it all together, but those all kind of hit me at once reading that.
It does make you think
about what is going on in their heads about how to develop this guy. Seems like they want to use him – without getting him ready for a starting position in the minors…
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There are just so many options with a guy like this
It seems they’re unable to pick one they like best, so I think they’re just minimizing risk.
..which also seriously limits his potential.
I get that he can be a dynamite bullpen piece, and that they have plenty of okay starting pitching.
But why not take the chance, see if he develops into that special arm they don’t currently own?
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Or at least, trade him for the massive value that his 105 mph fastball would bring
I can think of a few clubs that would seriously overpay for him.
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Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
Flat out terrible development.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 2:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That is just crazy!!!
Wow.
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wait.
Huh?
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Do good, Galiardi. Seriously.
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good thing we drafted that Casey Weathers fella! Shut you down from the back to the front!
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Do good, Galiardi. Seriously.
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This is a good thing for us
i was very concerned that this guy would become a beast. Thanks Reds.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jan 27, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Eh
As long as he’s not in our division I don’t worry to much about that.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
I dont want to see strasburg even 2 times a year
and Im not sure he’s gonna be all that great. But that dreaded potential.
And chapmann’s got that in spades. but I hear ya.
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by El Paso Jeff on Jan 27, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
So what do the folks over at Red Reporter think about this?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 27, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Bavasi
Bill Bavasi? You sound shocked.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 27, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
I'm shocked that I'm shocked
I guess I hoped his being fired would wake him up
welp
by Andrew Martin on Jan 27, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
Name this College Pitcher (I'm mildly bored right now and not doing my homework)
Season G W/L SV ERA IP H R ER BB SO
1 14 6-3 0 3.92 66.2 68 32 29 19 47
2 28 5-0 11 0.89 50.1 27 5 5 15 51
Totals 42 11-3 11 2.62 117 95 37 34 34 98
Set his conference record for pitching 47.2 consecutive scoreless innings (I don’t know if this still stands). The 11 saves in one season matched the career record for the school, ranked third in the conference and 13th in the nation that year.
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greg reynolds
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by El Paso Jeff on Jan 27, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
If so, his pro career has been a regression to the mean
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Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
he was pretty dominant in AA Tulsa 2007
Who knew that Muzia’s love is like a rock tied to your feet, dragging you to the bottom of the ocean?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Do good, Galiardi. Seriously.
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I want that Greg Reynolds back
Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio Greg Reynoldsio, a nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you…woo woo woo.
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yeah now I think its a position player who pitched in college like.......
ahhhhhhhh the freshman will not let me do my research in peace I must go discipline these animals
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by El Paso Jeff on Jan 27, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
nope
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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i laughed
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
I heard he got lucky because of an injury to the starter?
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
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Helton's Hitting stats are just outrageous
G AB R H AVG 2B 3B HR RBI SB/SBA
65 247 48 86 .348 22 3 11 66 6/6
65 251 65 89 .355 16 4 7 80 9/14
And his complete Bio after 1994:
First team All-America selection by Baseball Writers, second team by Baseball America and third by Collegiate Baseball … SEC Eastern Division Tournament MVP for the second year in a row … Set the SEC record in pitching 47.2 consecutive scoreless innings, breaking Ben McDonald’s mark of 44.2 in 1989 … Batted .355 with 16 doubles, four triples and seven home runs … Led SEC with a UT single-season record 80 RBI, which ranked 24th nationally … Went 5-0 on the mound with 11 saves and 0.89 ERA … His save total set the UT career mark, ranked third in the SEC and 13th nationally … Turned in a .993 fielding percentage leading all Vol fielders … Set UT single season marks in at-bats (251), runs (65), hits (89), RBI (80) and saves (11).
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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Per MLBTR:
Rockies, Ian Stewart Avoid Arbitration
The Rockies have avoided arbitration with third baseman Ian Stewart, MLBTR has learned. With salary submissions of $2.6MM and $2.15MM, the sides had been $450K apart on the Super Two player’s first arbitration year. Stewart’s settlement amount is not yet known, but his agreement means the Rockies have taken care of all their arbitration eligible players according to our Arb Tracker.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 27, 2011 7:02 PM MST reply actions
Well good, now he can get to slopping those hogs
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another year without a hearing
The Rockies are good at that, not to mention there wasn’t a big difference in salary proposals.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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OK, I'm officially pissed at MLB Network
After ranking CarGo as the #3 left fielder right now (which you could argue, but I’d have him #2 behind Hamilton), they rank Tulo as the #2 shortstop right now behind Hanley. Anyone that would rather have Hanley Ramirez than Troy Tulowitzki has no credibility in my eyes and I have to assume they just don’t like the Rockies.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
The two have done a bit of a seesaw the last three seasons
Hanley going down while Tulo’s been rising. I could understand the sentiment of not writing off Hanley after one down season, though and most projections still like him a little more, even though with defense added in that’s debatable.
I really like Hanley's ability.
He’s great and offensively he and Tulo are pretty close (I think). Tulo has it defensively hands down. Most rankings are based primarily on offense so it would be really close and I could see either one being #1.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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starting pitcher rankings are next Thursday
where do you think Ubaldo falls? I’d be shocked if he didn’t make the top 10, but I would expect below Halladay, Hernandez, and Cliff Lee, and probably Lincecum. I see Jimenez in the mix with Oswalt, Johnson, Wainwright, Carpenter and Hudson. Preferably above all of them. I’m sure I forgot someone.
Agreed, I see him landing somewhere like #8
Really, the only thing that would be unjust would be for him not to appear at all. It’s easily enough explainable to not place him in top five.
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by Mondogarage on Jan 27, 2011 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if he is top #10
I’d guess possibly in the 15-20 range myself… he needs another year like last April-June to justify top 10.
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by Kris Hansen on Jan 28, 2011 12:49 AM MST up reply actions
Except for one thing, that MLBN is calling these shows, the "Top 10 Right Now"
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Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
MLB Network doesn't NOT like the Rox.
They are very good with parity.
Anyways, who else did they rank in front of CarGo? Werth/Crawford?
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
And for the record,
I have no problem with MLBN ranking Hanley in front of Tulo. They’ve been trading blows the past two years, and I figure this is the year one of them separates from the other. Considering RG’s analysis of Tulo, I have to think he’ll be the one to separate from Hanley. Time will tell.-
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 27, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
They had Braun #1
Hamilton #2, Cargo #3, AGone #4, Holliday #5, and Crawford #6 I believe.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 28, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
One of theses six is not like the others
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 28, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Wow that's sad
Yeah, that’s the top five minus AGone. I had just watched the 1B one and had Adrian on my mind.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 29, 2011 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
I thought he was talking
about Crawford’s ability to hit a homerun
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
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