Monday Rockpile: Tradeoffs and the Rockies Organizational Pitching Progress
This morning, I'd like everybody to step into the wayback machine with me as we journey back to a decade ago.

All the way to THE YEAR 2000
December of the Year 2000 showed the Colorado Rockies desperately attempting to boost their pitching staff, the obvious Achilles heel of the organization, to complement their already potent offense and boost the team from a middling club looking back to a single wildcard appearance 5 years prior to a formidable force in the NL West and a potential World Series contender.
To accomplish this, the Rockies signed LHP Denny Neagle to a 5-year, $51M contract (which was assuredly an overpay, but still not out of question for a pitcher who'd averaged 3.32 WAR per season over the previous 6 years) and soon thereafter LHP Mike Hampton to a 8-year, $121M contract (at the time, the largest contract ever given to a pitcher, and outlandish for a pitcher who'd averaged 3.33 WAR over the previous 6 years). Obviously, at the time, overpays were necessary to get any sort of quality pitcher to risk being destroyed in the batting cathedral that was pre-humidor Coors Field.
If we step back just one year farther in the wayback machine, we can see the publication of Voros McCracken's groundbreaking DIPS concept - the idea that pitcher performance should be rated on their HR, K, and BB numbers, and that most batted ball results were defense-dependent and not really controllable by the pitcher. Aside from that, the SABRmetric analysis suggested that the best pitchers to acquire were pitchers with high strikeout numbers, as they would be the least prone to batted-ball variability as they produce more outs by themselves and rely on their defense the least.
Problem was (and still is) that pitchers with high strikeout numbers have been valued highly for a long time as it is; "strikeout pitchers are good" wasn't really a new concept.
The Rockies figured they had a good idea then. The idea that batted balls = bad worked doubly for Colorado, because any ball hit had a chance of leaving the park. So with strikeout pitchers being at a premium, Colorado figured that getting groundballers and a strong infield defense would be a solid idea. This kind of explains the Mike Hampton contract - it doesn't excuse it, but it certainly explains it. Hampton fit the kind of profile the Rockies wanted: a seemingly healthy 200IP+ pitcher with strong groundball tendencies who had a front-of-the-rotation reputation. The overpay part came because, come on, who wants to pitch in Coors Field?
Just for the record, I have zero explanation/excuse/whatever for Neagle. Glad the Rockies were able to void THAT contract.
So essentially, this whole thing shaped - or in any case, reinforced - the Rockies' organizational philosophy, regarding pitching: Build through the draft and international free agency, and get pitchers that can control a sinking fastball or strong changeup. The first pitcher we saw who really fit the bill in this regard was Jason Jennings. While not an extreme groundballer, Jennings sported an above-average GB% (46.4%) thanks to his sinking fastball. The next guy was Aaron Cook, and there's no doubt that he's one of the most extreme groundballers in the league (57.6%). While he's hardly been Ace-quality, he's been effective at the very least (averaging 2.2 fWAR per season - 1.5 rWAR - where an average starting pitcher is worth roughly 2 WAR).
Clearly, things were working well. The humidor being implemented, making baseballs comply with manufacturer's standards, clearly helped this as well, but the fact is that Colorado pitchers and defense were just getting the job done well.
We get it, Colorado brings up groundballers, this isn't exactly a secret. Here's where things get really interesting.
If you remember back before the jump where we made the claim that strikeout pitchers were still awesome, in that they could avoid some of that BABIP variability? Well, that hasn't really changed. Strikeouts, while fascist, are still sexy, and avoid that whole nasty ball-in-play thing.
The lesson eventually learned by Colorado is that there are two effective ways to get outs in Coors Field: strikeouts and groundballs. If you get enough of one or the other, many of your other lacking areas as a pitcher can be somewhat overlooked, or at least excused. If you look at the aforementioned pitchers, Jason Jennings and Aaron Cook made the tradeoff of strikeouts for groundballs. Now, if you look at the staff, Jorge De La Rosa is doing the same thing, but in the opposite direction: he's a far stronger strikeout pitcher with a lower GB% - although we saw a change in that in 2010 thanks to some heavier sink to his changeup.
While Colorado still works to breed groundballers in its farm system, we're seeing improvements on the other side of the tradeoff, in the form of strikeouts. Take a look at the following graph:
The 2010 Colorado Rockies did indeed accomplish what the above chart is suggesting: they set the highest K/9 in franchise history. What makes this even more impressive is that they did it without scrapping the groundballing concept - I mean, there's obviously not just some dial on Aaron Cook that is turned all the way to "groundball", but you see the point. Getting groundballs is still a fundamental aspect of development of pitchers within the Rockies system, but it says a lot about the coaching staffs at the various levels and their work with Rockies pitchers' secondary pitches to get them to the point of being able to get the punchout when needed.
What we're seeing now is Colorado leveraging both ends of that tradeoff. Aaron Cook is still the primary example of that, being an extreme groundballer, but the fact that pitchers like Jorge De La Rosa and Jason Hammel are able to make it with Colorado despite not being notable groundballers gives the organization more flexibility when working to fill a major league rotation. We know that Jhoulys Chacin is already quite adept in inducing the ground ball, and Christian Friedrich looks to be at least average in that department, but Friedrich's profile is kind of the flexibility I'm talking about. Should he regain form after injury in 2011, we could be looking at another high-K, decent GB pitcher - maybe not EXACTLY like De La Rosa, but as far as the GB/K analysis goes, we're looking in the same direction.
The pitcher who really butters the staff's bread is obviously still Ubaldo Jimenez. We know what Ubaldo's capable of already, and despite a reduced GB% in 2010, he eschews the whole trading-grounders-for-strikeouts concept and just does both.
Last point for this morning: The Rockies' 7.70 K/9 ranked 7th in the NL (and the Majors), and their 46.5% GB% tied them for 5th with the Phillies (thank you Roy Halladay). If we take those ranks and "average" them, the Rockies get a ranking of 6 in a GB+K9. Stacking them against every other MLB team, this puts them at 3rd for GB+K9, behind Atlanta (3.5) and San Diego (4.5). Granted, not every other team needs to have such a strong emphasis on the groundball, but the Rockies know what they need to have their pitchers do, and they're very, very good at it.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 31, 2011 8:44 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
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The Rockies have added 14 confirmed NRIs via free agency so far.
In addition to those, somewhere about 8-13 more will be added from the minors.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 8:18 AM MST up reply actions
That list:
Catchers: Eliezer Alfonzo, Matt Pagnozzi
First Basemen: Jason Giambi, Mike Jacobs
Third Basemen: Joe Crede, Eric Duncan
Outfielders: Willy Taveras
Utility: Alfredo Amezaga, Hernan Iribarren
Starting Pitchers: Billy Buckner, Eric Stults, Claudio Vargas
Relief Pitchers: Geno Espinelli, Sean White
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
not enough catchers from what I can tell
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JFK
Are you kidding?
Catcher is the most overstocked position going into Spring Training. There’s going to be 7 of them (6, really, since Rosario will be rehabbing outsid eof the games)
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
And it'll be even more if they end up giving Chad Moeller an invite.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
Regarding Moeller, a lot of people are already reporting that he's an NRI.
Don’t take that at face value. The original report from Thomas Harding specified that Amezaga got an invite in his contract, while Moeller signed a standard one.
He may very well wind up on the list when it’s released. He just wasn’t guaranteed one in his contract.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
yeah
that was kind of the point
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
It's funny to me how this comes up every... single... season...
I keep hoping that someday people realize that you need a bunch of catchers in the Spring because you have a bunch of pitchers warming their arms up.
Can't they have a "catch" with themselves?
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Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Yep. In fact, as I recall, other organizational catchers without NRIs like Lars Davis have gotten the call the big league field in years past because of this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 31, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
I'm going to teach my children to be a catcher..
or a LOOGY. At least with either one they don’t have to throw very hard, or require any sort of advanced baseball talent.
I am going to have to listen to Flight of the Conchords now
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 8:13 AM MST via mobile reply actions
agreed
That last paragraph would make an excellent study all its own.
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Nice Article AFish!
on a different note, Is it time to hand out fantasy league invites yet? I hope to garner a NRI, minor league, ST, extremely front loaded, incentive laden, pay for performance contract. that also includes an no-trade clause and some nice personal perks and bonuses including but not limited too….my lazy-boy traveling with the team, My in-laws being banned from the players lounge, my girlfriend having different travel arraignments than my wife, Grey Goose screwdrivers and oh yeah, I don’t play on Mondays!
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AFish/AMart, to-may-to/to-mah-to
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we aren't THAT alike.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah you show up to PR events...
you might be late…but you show up ;)
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 31, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm no SABR guru
But I’ve had enough statistics to know that 2 > 0.
Ignorance of the American League is a sign of good moral character.
I used to be normal until I met these losers I now call my friends.
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Except in golf.
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so I've missed 1 and you've missed 2?
At least Fish shows up to events.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 31, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
even when violently ill
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 3:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Technically I have only missed one.
I wasn’t here for the first one…so i guess we are even.
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Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
Dang it sorry AMART!! nice article
Afish, your alright
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by El Paso Jeff on Jan 31, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Nice work Andrew...
I really enjoyed this one.
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I remember Y2K like it was yesterday..
Hanging out in the family bunker, waiting for the world to end:

Meanwhile the Rockies were trying to decide between signing two free agent pitchers or Alex Rodriguez. Can you imagine what the Rockies would be like if they had signed a $20 million dollar Shortstop?
The Rangers?
They would have been hamstrung just as much as Hampton. Hmm, traded him for Soriano. Got rid of Soriano for being a hack. Hmm..
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
So you're saying Yorvit Torrealba would be our catcher?
If I’m following your alternate universe timeline correctly.
Tulo
No Tulo? :O
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by rockiesfan4ever on Jan 31, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
Tulo would be a second baseman?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Tulo A-Roid would be a second third baseman?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 31, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
no chance
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
in fact, it really is possible that Tulo would not be a Rockie
If they passed up Longo due in part to stewart
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's very possible
maybe even likely.
I just prefer to think that we still would have drafted Tulo and he would have forced A-Rod to third. I know it’s unlikely, but it makes me happy to think about…
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Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
In the latest
Ask BA, Jim Callis ranks Tyler Matzek No. 10 among the best 21-and-under pitchers. Callis writes Matzek could jump way up this list if he regains his comman.
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I never knew James Callis was interested in baseball.
Oh….wait.
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What was the value of a win worth in 2000?
by purplesocks on Jan 31, 2011 10:27 AM MST via mobile reply actions
That depends on if you're asking about the value being paid then, or the long term trend value at that point
The value of a win spiked in 2000 to over $4.5 million, in large part because of the Rockies contracts, but long term it was a million or so less than that.
Great Article Andrew
Here is another very interesting article over at Amazin’ Avenue
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Pretty stunning. I wish him the best of luck.
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no kidding
I wonder what greener pastures he found.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Craig Calcaterra is saying
we should know tomorrow morning…
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Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 31, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
"That Dante Bichette wasn’t really any good."
Thank you, Craig. That cut deep. Real deep.
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
It hurt because it was true...
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Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, but that applies to lotsa players...
gratuitous Rockie slam make I sad panda.
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
MLB Network maybe?
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would you believe
SBNation?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 2:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Because
we need him to build a baseball blog network.
/looks around
We started as a baseball blog network!
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Wow. Seems like you did his job already.....
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And yet Neyer will come in to swoop up the stock options
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
That would just be a crappy thing....:(
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I know, especially when Russ deserves them much more
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
FWIW
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/01/31/rob-neyers-leaving-espn/
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probably because I called him out about the quality of his SweetSpot team a week or two ago.
Yep… it’s definitely all thanks to Rox Girl.
I, for one, welcome our new carpetbagging overlord...
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Bazinga!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 31, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
If true,
I’m undecided if I’ll be a scalawag.
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Maybe the new guy
will actually try to build their SweetSpot team coverage. . . .
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Ahem, how much do they pay?
They still don’t have a Rockies blog, do they?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
No
Neyer contacted me about that back in ’09 but at the time I was unable to meet their posting requirements.
Probably
enough to cover 1/150 of your bills.
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so about the same as here huh?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Go ask your
boss for a raise.
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done
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
And your other one.
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also done
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, man
Picture of Mr. Peabody and Sherman and old Conan O’Brien? If I ever wondered why Purple Row is my favorite foreign SBN blog, this would certainly remind me.
Plus, you know, the writing and stuff.
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ways to improve traffic
more bullwinkle pictures
by Andrew Martin on Jan 31, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Woot woot.
Got my spring training tickets in the mail today, and just booked my flight. Two or three games (depending on how long my appointment goes on Saturday afternoon). March 9th and 12th. Anyone else planning on being there then?
whoa.
Why there are more .300 hitters than .299 hitters
In the last quarter century, no player hitting .299 has ever drawn a base on balls in his final plate appearance of the season.
People ask me what I do during the winter when there is no baseball. I tell you what I do, I stare out the window and wait for spring.
by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 31, 2011 8:19 PM MST reply actions
2006 Jamey Carrol
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JFK
His last PA was a groundout
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
He did homer and triple in that game to reach .300 though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 31, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
but he was removed from the game
for a young PH with the number 14 on his back before his last at-bat could keep him at .300
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Baseball fans love numbers. They love to swirl them around their mouths like Bordeaux wine. ~Pat Conroy
JFK
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Game 16….is a play in game……….
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