Saturday Rockpile: Windsor a Potential Destination for Ghosts?
Twitter / Troy Renck, Rockies:
I have heard they could move that Casper team to outside of Windsor along I-25 where new hotel chains have popped up. But can't confirm it
I imagine that would make our Fort Collins-area contingent pretty satisfied. We started this in the comment section of Rox Girl's post from yesterday regarding the purchase of the team by a group involving the Brothers Monfort. However, I'll continue it by putting up a poll since it's a slow day. Where would you like to see the Rockies' Rookie League team moved (if they even actually relocate)?
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This was also mentioned in yesterday's Rockpile, but look for CarGo to appear on your television screen during the Saints/Seahawks playoff game later today. At least there will be something awesome to relieve us from the snoozefest that is the NFL.
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ESPN.com's Anna Katherine Clemmons has a fascinating piece on former Rockie Matt Murton's first year in Japan - a year in which he broke Ichiro's single season hits record.
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As I mentioned in the comments section of yesterday's Rockpile, Purple Row (and more specifically, Jeff Aberle) got a nod from MLB Trade Rumors for his take on the Carlos Gonzalez extension, which is a terrific read (especially for a Rockpile).
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Congrats to Matt Murton
I liked having him in camp a couple years ago.
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JFK
Ditto
That was a good article on ESPN. Hope Murton gets another chance at MLB after this season in Japan.
It's baffling that he put up a .356 wOBA in 508 PAs
way back in 2006, and then only made 390 MLB plate appearances in the succeeding three years.
Was there a problem with him and Piniella in Chicago?
Hey deacs
Where ya been?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Here goes my first PR post...
I would love to see a MiLB affiliate set of shop in North Fort Collins so I could do some tasting at the breweries and then walk (or stumble) to the park to see some baseball…
However the location that Renck is suggestion (around the Budweiser events center) makes alot of sense. It is about an half hour drive From the Fort, Greeley, Longmont, and Berthoud and even closer to Loveland (and Windsor, duh). In fact the team would be drawing from a larger fan base than the sky sox are. Come to think of it that location could probably support something higher up the ladder than a rookie level team…
On the other hand the entire fan base would live an hour or less away from coors field, so if one is going to watch a baseball game on a summer afternoon it would be tempting to drive the extra half hour. And while that location would be great for maximizing the amount of people that live within an hour, as it is just beside the interstate in a suburban area and not in a downtown area it seems like it would have few “drop-ins”. Where would the closest bar to pregame at ;-)?
Although I live up here, I would also support them moving to grand junction. Its still bigger than Casper, has a reputation as a baseball town, and they have much longer to drive to Coors than we do. Whatever the decision is, I’m happy that they made the move to buy the club. No one can say the Monforts didn’t try.
Oh yeah...
The northern front range is one of the fastest growing urban areas in the nation, so thats probbaly worth consideration too…
by SurfaceThought on Jan 8, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
I'm sure that is one of the main reasons to consider it
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 8, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
welcome!
Please stay. Great first post.
I agree, the move to the Windsor area makes sense from a Rockies brand strategy stance as it gives the team a minor league affiliate to help build buzz on that side of the corridor in the way that the Sky Sox do with the Springs area. Given that the Western Slope is a smaller population pool and further away from Coors, this aspect wouldn’t be nearly as effective in a move to GJ.
The one big disadvantage with Windsor is the bus travel times that are already somewhat of an issue with the Casper squad get a lot worse. The closest Pioneer League team would be Ogden, some 7.5 hours away, Missoula would be about 13. This would give any Windsor team a pretty significant road handicap.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
I feel like the team moving from Casper
would lose some stock or fan base in WY. However being that I do live in the Ft. Collins/Loveland/Greeley area, I would absolutely love to have a minor league team near by.
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the biggest hurdle
Would be travel, it seems. Casper is already the most isolated team in the Pioneer League. That would only get worse moving to Windsor, as the remaining teams are in Montana, Idaho and Utah. They might make up the additional travel costs in added revenue, but the other teams won’t. Though, I admit, I’m not sure how that is actually handled.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 8, 2011 12:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
it's not just the financial costs, it's also the bus lag, which I'm pretty sure already affects Casper on the road
particularly when they’re in Utah. Given that the Rockies affiliate is already typically less experienced than half the league, I’m expecting that a Windsor team will rarely finish over .500, which could conceivably put a dent in that expected revenue, although I guess they would make some of that up with a better HFA from the other teams experiencing the same sort of travel fatigue.
it would take a bus about four hours just to get to Casper from Windsor
I make that drive all the time. I’ve already heard of a player quitting due to bus trips from Casper. I can imagine it would be horrible making travel worse.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 8, 2011 12:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Its okay...
The Monforts will just have to buy them a jet ;-D
by SurfaceThought on Jan 8, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
There is the Fort Collins/Loveland regional airport, after all...
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Lose some stock or fan base in WY
Much as Wyoming isn’t the best market for anything, I agree with this sentiment. If the Rockies are going to build the brand, they really need to find a way to dominate the Rocky Mountain market. That includes Denver, FoCo, Junction, Cheyenne, Albuquerque, SLC, maybe even Kansas/Nebraska. I know I’m thinking way too extensive considering the moves we’re discussing. Because Denver is so isolated compared to the network of city-states on the East Coast and their concentrated markets, the Rockies need to draw a more regional brand than they do a city-competing-with-city type brand.
At least that’s how I see it.
by Andrew Martin on Jan 8, 2011 12:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
So keep the Ghosts in Casper...
And bring the Drillers to Northern Colorado. Am I right?
by SurfaceThought on Jan 8, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Not gonna happen, Tulsa just built a brand new stadium
Fun idea, though.
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I know...
but it would be fun to have both the AAA and AA within an hour of Denver.
by SurfaceThought on Jan 8, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
The only thing that would make it better would be to move Asheville to Longmont
Then I’d have one in my neighborhood.
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That would have to be the two closest teams in one organization
by SurfaceThought on Jan 8, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
Only thing I would like to see is a radio station here in SW KS carry rockies games from KOA. The nearest one to me is Goodland Kansas, and I hope that it comes in. I can get KOA sitting in front of my house but it goes in and out.
I wish there was a way to see if they could get an affiliate in my area. I would also like to see FSNRM in this area. We get FSN Midwest. I don’t care about the Royals or what in the hell is going on in St. Louis. I’m an hour from Colorado but 6 hours from KC and 10 hrs from STL. There are many people here that would like that, but our cable company says NO. It sucks.
Atlanta would probably still have us beat.
Their Gwinnett Co. (AAA) and Rome (A) affiliates are very close to Atlanta.
This actually isn't the first time the possibility has been raised of moving the Ghosts to Windsor
I currently live in Windsor, though I did not in May 2009, when this article came out (h/t CSTSports)
With Colorado Rockies owner Charlie Monfort on hand, Water Valley developer Martin Lind made a presentation to the Windsor Town Board on Monday night that could potentially bring a Pioneer League minor league baseball team to Windsor by the 2011 season…..
Monfort, who along with his brother, Dick Monfort, hold the majority share in the Colorado Rockies, was at the meeting to assure Town Board members the Rockies’ commitment to bring a team that would be a Rockies’ affiliate to Windsor if Windsor residents would support building the stadium, which would be on the Windsor side of Larimer County Road 5 by the Budweiser Events Center.
There almost seems to be too much momentum for this not to happen eventually, though there obviously won’t be a stadium built for the 2011 season as previously hoped.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 8, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions
One Thing I Never Understood on PR
At least there will be something awesome to relieve us from the snoozefest that is the NFL.
1. Does being an NFL fan, and WORST of all a Broncos fan, preclude me from being a Rockies fan?
2. Every marketing number out there indicates that NFL blows away MLB in popularity and viewership.
3. To me, it’s classless to berate another major sport – and this is hardly an isolated example on PR. Does that make someone feel better?
Sorry, it’s something I’ve thought for awhile and just wanted to vent. :)
It absolutely does not preclude anyone from being a Rockies fan.
I would consider myself a Broncos fan although not to the same level as my Rockies fandom. And I am a fan of other leagues/sports. Nothing wrong at all with having allegiances to more than one team/sport.
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Remember,
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not thinking there's much more in baseball, if at all
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 8, 2011 2:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
actually on average there is like 4.5 minutes of actions
baseball is around 6
Still, the point is
that baseball and football have basically the same amount of down time to put someone to sleep.
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Of course it doesn't preclude you from being a Bronco fan, I'm a Bronco fan
but, ya know, this is a baseball blog, most people are going to prefer baseball, which makes your second point rather redundant.
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Oh, I’m going to be a Rockies fan whether I’m approved or not! ;>)
My point is that on my favorite football blog, I don’t ever see putting down of baseball as there is putting down football here. I played baseball and basketball in HS many, many moons ago – but consider myself a sports fan with several favorite teams that all happen to be in Denver.
I really agree with points #1 and #3
I’m not really a fan fof any NFL team by I enjoy having it around to get more through the winter when the sports I really like are dormant. I don’t consider it a snoozefest at all and I really hope lurkers who are big NFL fans don’t see that comment.
I disagree with point #2 though. Yes individual NFL games draw more viewers then MLB games but the important thing to remember is 16 vs. 162. There are 10 times as many MLB games every season are there are NFL games and yet more than half of the teams in MLB averaged more than 30,000 peple a game. NFL teams only need to sell out 8 home games a season, almost all on Sundays (a day almost everyone has off) and yet places like Jacksonville, Buffalo, Arizona, and several others couldn’t do it. If the NFL had 162 games in it’s season, almost nobody would watch it. However, we do watch baseball almost every day for six months every year.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
If the NFL had 162 games a year
I’d be in line as an emergency call up by the end of the year as a healthy body
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I used to be a huge football fan
Then I found baseball and to be honest I just don’t get football anymore. I think baseball fans have a chip on their shoulder. All of my friends in Cleveland think that football has superior athletes and is the more difficult, faster more entertaining sport. I don’t see it; football honestly just looks like a bunch of fat people pushing each other around. To each their own though.
Purple Row's a baseball blog, and as such it's actually encouraged that our writers express their opinions.
One of the side effects is that you’ll often get an opinion, be it on baseball, football, or any other subject that you as a reader may disagree with. The good thing is that it’s also encouraged for readers to express said disagreement, especially when they can do it intelligently, as you have just done.
I’m glad you’ve voiced dissent here, even though I actually agree with Bryan on this. I think football, especially the pro variety, is boring.
I must be an anomaly
I like all 4 major sports. And many minor ones too.
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All watch any sport
except for NASCAR/race car driving. But that’s not a sport, so I don’t know why I would mention it.
Ever watch bass fishing on ESPN. Great stuff.
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I've never watched fishing. I have watched golf and car racing.
Car racing is more of a sport than poker!
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Poker is more of a novelty
than anything.
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That's for sure. Just annoys me that somehow it's taking up actually sports time
on ESPN and Fox Sports….lame
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Are you sure racing isn’t a sport?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
Racing
and race car driving are two different things.
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I'd argue they fall under the same umbrella
but even if they don’t, the rest of that definition still says it’s a sport. Driving a racecar at that level certainly requires skill as very few can do it and NASCAR by nature is very competitive. You also need to be athletic to compete in Nascar; Dale Jarrett once lost 17lbs in a race at Pocono.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
I refuse
to accept the societal acceptance of the classification of race car driving as a sport.
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I refuse to accept fishing as a sport.
Have you sat in a 130 degree cockpit in a 24 hours race, needing reflexes quicker than those needed to hit a curveball?
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No,
but I’m just taking this to an extreme. Just not my cup of tea, which is what this entire conversation can be distilled down to.
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Agreed, I don't expect everyone to like auto racing (and certainly not as many forms as I enjoy)
But it sure as heck is a sport.
Horses for courses.
Is it ApRil yet?
Any number above zero is way too many days before Pitchers and Catchers Reports
I enjoy pretty much all sports as well
I’ll even watch basketball from time to time, my least favorite of the major four.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
I don't follow drag racing at all
But anything on a closed course, heck yeah.
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In my own defense, first of all this is still a blog
and I won’t ever believe that expressing my opinion is classless.
Secondly, I’m not bashing the sport of football. I absolutely LOVE college football. But, I don’t feel the same way about the NFL (or the NBA, for that matter). I just find it boring.
Sorry if that offended you (although I have no idea why my opinion on a professional sports league would).
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 9, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
I voted to keep the club in Casper
Like a few posters have already mentioned, I like the idea of having a Rockies affiliate in Wyoming into the foreseeable future. Not that Wyoming as state is extremely populated.
On the other hand, I think it’d be great idea to have the club explore moving to Grand Junction and being just a little closer to the clubs in Utah.
I'd be thrilled if they moved to the Budweiser Events Center/northern Colorado area.
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:( don't get it
was it good?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj28rXgCJZw
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ah, thanks!
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CarGo's ready is more ready than Longoria's ready
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Are you watching football? Aired on NO/Seatlle game
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yeah I live in UK
so I’m watching it, but I get ads for tea and scones
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well boo!....
another UKer! you and biondino!
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yeah I've spoken to him about it before
he’s from south England (London) , I’m from north England (Manchester)
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We are mortal enemies
I think there were at least 5 people who came out of the woodwork to declare Britishness a while back but the others don’t post regularly.
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I picked Seattle yesterday in OT thread....I was resoundingly lambasted
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and by resoundingly I mean two people..:P
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Because
football is boring.
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I would have lambasted you
one of my main arguments against a 10 team playoff in baseball is because a team with a .500 or below record could make the post season.
Well, the point wasn't whether Seattle should have been in the playoffs or not.
Since they were, I picked them in the upset
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Ahem.....One game down, 3 to go :)
So far I’m undefeated :P
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OT: Friends, please keep good thoughts and prayers for my brother and his wife.
I just found out they lost their home in a fire :(……..Everyone and the dog is okay….but it’s virtually a total loss…
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That's terrible.
Hope everything works out in their recovery.
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Thanks, Russ. Me too...really tragic...My sis in law is an artist
and she had finished a piece that was to be displayed at the UN…..she lost all her work…:(
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Boy, I can't imagine having that kind of loss...
glad all the irreplacables are alright.
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you got it
I hope they are safe and set with friends for the next couple days to start getting things in order
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Wow, just read this :(
So sad…Jenn and I will send some thoughts their way. Thank goodness his family is okay.
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Thank you everyone! They seem to be of good spirit right now....
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I'm so sorry to hear this SDcat
That’s awful. I hope they are able to salvage something.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 8, 2011 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
Obviously I want them to stay in Casper
I have a lot of good memories over the past decade with the Casper Rockies/Ghosts and far and away their best year of fan support was this past season. Of course having a weekend series with Helton, a lot of highly touted rookie prospects in recent seasons, the parent club finding success, and a mid season John Mellencamp/Bob Dylan concert hosted by the baseball club had a lot to do with bringing out record crowds to Mike Lansing Field. I know there are bigger markets elsewhere, but I would hope that there is enough reason to satisfy an entire state that has only the Ghosts as their only professional team in any of the big three sports (Calvary don’t count…. they are indoor football)
I guess we will see.
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