Friday Rockpile: Options For Filling 3B Sinkhole Limited
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:40 AM MDT
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PrintNo, you are not trapped in some bizarro dream world. This place where Yuniesky Betancourt is a postseason force to be reckoned with, this place where the Detroit Lions are 5-0, and this place where I write the Friday Rockpile now is all real. Okay, so that last part isn’t quite true, Andrew Martin is on vacation and I’m just helping out. He’ll be back next week with your regularly scheduled Rockpile but for now, yours truly has been handed the keys to the mothership.
Oddly back in the winter of 2009 when Andrew first started writing front page stories here, I was on vacation. Funny how life comes full circle like that sometimes. On this particular day, I was in New Orleans perusing through one of those stereotypical gift shops when a clever sign caught my eye. It read...
There are three types of jobs. Good, fast, and cheap. You may have any two you like.
A good and fast job won’t be cheap.
A good and cheap job won’t be fast.
A fast and cheap job won’t be good.
Unfortunately, this applies almost perfectly to the Rockies options when it comes to fixing 3B next season. To quickly summarize my feelings....
Option #1: A good and fast fix that won’t be cheap.
This would involve either paying big bucks to free agent Aramis Ramirez or using prospects as currency to land a David Wright, Kevin Youkilis, or Chase Headley type. Either way it could be a steep price tag.
Option #2: A good and cheap fix that won’t be fast.
Nolan Arenado is coming, and there’s a very good chance he will be a cheap option that solves all of our problems at 3B. The problem is, he probably won’t get here in time to save the 2012 season.
Option #3: A fast and cheap fix that won’t be good.
The actual move the Rockies would make for this one would probably be the same as option #2, but it would basically involve running some combination of Ian Stewart, Ty Wigginton, and whatever else they can throw at the wall hoping they strike gold. I won't hold my breath on this one.
Bottom line is, there’s certainly no easy solution to this problem right now. But hey, I’m probably not telling you anything you don’t already know.
Meanwhile, MLB's postseason got even more interesting yesterday as the team trailing in each series won.
Detroit fought off elimination by defeating Texas 7-5 in a little bit of a rollercoaster game that featured the first natural cycle in post season history. It occurred during the Tiger 6th inning that began with a Ryan Raburn single, a Miguel Cabrera double, a Victor Martinez triple, and a Delmon Young home run that gave Detroit a seemingly comfortable 6-2 lead. Texas would mount a rally however getting the potential winning run to the plate in the 9th before Mike Napoli grounded out to second to end the game. This series will shift back to Texas Saturday where Detroit will once again be fighting for their postseason lives in game 6.
The NLCS is now also guaranteed to go at least six games as the Brewers evened up their series with a 4-2 win over the Cardinals. I don't know about you, but I just have the feeling this one is going the distance as these teams feel so evenly matched. Okay, that and I really want to see a Carpenter vs. Gallardo matchup in Game 7.
Beyond the Boxscore revealed their all Post-2011 NL West All Star team yesterday. (Eight starters, a five man rotation, and three bullpen selections.) Four Rockies made the list; see if you can guess who they are.
Doctoring The Numbers: Starting Them Young. Rany Jazayerli continues his fascinating look at how, as he puts it, "a small difference in age among high school hitters can have a dramatic impact on their return as draft picks". (Part One in case you missed it yesterday)
Finally, if you're feeling bad about the Rockies, Joe Posnanski took a look at some of the worst contracts in baseball earlier this week. Give thanks that we don't have one of these albatrosses.
Eat. Drink. Be Merry. But the above FanPost does not necessarily reflect the attitudes, opinions, or views of Purple Row's staff (unless, of course, it's written by the staff [and even then, it still might not]).
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Nice Rockpile RIRF! Good work.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Needs more Tulo
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't let Muzia catch you saying this
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Avs won, 7-1.
The rest of today is gravy.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
So happy to see the Avs start off hot
How bad is Ottawa?
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Last spring’s Avs would beat them. Their defense is AHL level
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Doesn't sound like their O is much better
That Swedish rookie is playing much much better than I thought he would. Boy did I underestimate him…
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I like Zbinigninaidningizad, and thought he’d be a decent winger.
Ottawa has scored 12 of their 13 goals on the season after the second period, once they’ve already fell way behind. Last night, the Avs puck possession was too strong.
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21 goals allowed in four games is embarrassing
I have not looked but that has to be worst in the NHL
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Compare that to 6 goals allowed in 4 games
Soooooooo nice to see the Avs on the right side of a comparison like that for a change…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Anderson’s GAA is over 5 right now. He hasn’t been good, but Ottawa’s defense is easily worst in the league.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Yes, it doesn't help Anderson when the Defense can't clear the puck for 2-3 minute stretches.
I believe there were a few times last night where the only reason the Sens cleared the puck was because the Avs were on a line change.
Get well soon Juan.
Annnnddd it is...
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Avs are #26 on that list
and Edmonton is tied for the lowest GAA in the league.
Should be a real shootout when I’m there on the 28th…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Oilers have also only played two games.
Wait, you’ll be here? In Denver?
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This is the current plan, yes.
And by “current plan”, I mean “I have tickets for the Avs and Broncos that weekend in my grubby little fingers.”
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
and agreed
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Just in case you didn't click on the link above:
RMN at the NLCS. Tweeted by Ben Hochman of the Denver Post.
Now where did I see this before?......
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Nope.....I'd be scared if started dreaming
about random tweets from Hochman
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RIRF linked to last night's thread,
but some people might not read the actual Rockpile. Not that that ever happens.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I was disappointed that
TBS couldn’t manage to get a shot of it.
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Good point.
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How about both good fixes
Get Youkilis who can move over to first on Helton’s off days… because lets face it Giambi isnt a good solution and won’t hold up either. When Youkilis is playing 1st, Nolan Arenado who can be the bench corner IFer will come in and play 3B until he proves he is not ready. He already looks great in the AFL and if he has a good Spring I dont see how giving him a look would hurt a guy of his calibur.
Well if he shows he is ready
Youk can always go to the OF and Arenado can start at 3B
I'm concerned about $$$ and durability with Youkilis.
The Red Sox don’t need to deal him. So, we’d be paying in prospects for a trade and money to get a one-year rental that isn’t cheap.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he has an option year
But if he isnt durable for next year it is alot of money to pay, but healthy he would definitely be worth it. If Boston wants to give Middlebrooks a try at 3B or think Jed Lowrie can tie it down until then…. they might not be that against dealing him
Worth what exactly?
It would need to be a trade. What would you give up for him?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Well we have a pretty good trade relationship with the Sox
They have already gotten benefit out of the last couple of trades (Morales, Balcom-Miller). Maybe they would be interested in some peices that we dont intend to use and possibly a prospect? For their bullpen then might take Street if they dont want to resign Papelbon… or might use him as a setup guy just for bullpen strength, we could include Rogers who developmental rotation insurance for them down in AAA, we would have to probably throw in a prospect that would be useful to them, maybe Hector Gomez still pretty praiseworthy just trouble staying healthy. What do you think it would take from the Sox?
They don't have to trade him.
This means they will be looking for value. There are going to be a few teams who are looking for a 1B with a bat (particularly losers in the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes). This means we’re going to have to offer value to compete with other teams. We’re not getting away with a reliever, a AAA pitcher, and an oft-inhured AAA SS. They’d be better of paying for his contract and getting his compensation pick when he walks next year.
We’d at least need to give up one of our arms, and one of our OF prospects. Then we’d also need to throw in a few of the retreads that you mentioned. It’s not going to be worth it, I’m afraid.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Just to get an idea of who you are talking about
Arms – Do you mean they would want as high as Pomeranz you think or would it be more like Freidrich.
For OF would that mean Blackmon or Wheeler?
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He still has value, justin between the two extremes you mentioned.
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I don't think so
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s released to open up a 40-man spot. His trade value is near zero.
I would be VERY surprised if he was just released
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
It depends on the mix.
They might want Pomeranz, but they wouldn’t get him. I could see them pushing for Garnder, White, or Bettis though. A big arm could mean a lesser bat. A big bat, like a Wheeler, could mean a lesser arm like a Friedrich.
Either way, we’re giving up one top prospects, another lesser prospect, and some odds-and-ends like those listed by you. The reasoning behind this is that they could get their own top prospect through the compensation pick if they just hold onto him. We would need to give them over and above that along with something that competes with other teams.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy
EY2
Herrera
anything more than that and I don’t think it’s worth it.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I forgot to add Street
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
But it would get rid of Wiggy
And our utility infield log jam
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm willing to sacrifice a little HAR value...we still have plenty :)
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
It's going to be tough
to replace Street’s HAR no matter who we get. In fact, I think he is probably in the top 10 HAR in the entire MLB.
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As I mentioned above,
there would have to be some prospect in there. If not, they should just pay his contract and collect his comp pick when they let him walk.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Yup
This is my offer as DOD… I think everyone’s getting WAAAY too excited about the Greek God of Walks, and is willing to mortgage the future on a one-year rental. This is my offer, and it probably wouldn’t do. But that’s what I’m willing to give up for Youk.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm still with The Plan:
Trade for Prado and put him at 2B.
Get Cuddyer to fill in LF after trading away Smith (for Prado).
Let Stewart/Pacheco/Cuddyer/Arenado share time at 3B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
where does david wright play then
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Well that doesn't account for where Aramis Ramirez is going to play!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Citizens Bank Park
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
And if they won't trade Prado?
Then what?
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Isn't there a Prado in waiting somewhere
Some team that doesn’t understand the value?
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Wasn't it you saying over and over and over and over
“We’re not getting Prado”
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
We weren;t going to get him AND Heyward.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
ah.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd be on that wagon
I don’t see anyway they trade Prado
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
I mean, the other thing about a one-year rental,
is that competing next you is possible, but not necessarily probable due to our rotation issues.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
With or without Youk, we have a lot of issues to figure out for 2012, and I don’t think giving potential 2013 players away for him helps us out at all.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I've seen Youkilis in a small outfield
It’s not pretty. He would be a total disaster in the vast expanses of Coors.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably right in one of those neighborhoods
He’s had a very limited sample there but nothing about him screams he’ll get any better.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I vote for Not-Ty Wigginton
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
by MattBerger on Oct 14, 2011 8:19 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Can you provide here?
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His girlfriend is just a little
INCREDIBLE.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Who's "Andrew Marin?"
Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
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"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011
He's this new guy we just got from the Cardinals.
AAAA organizational depth.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
We need the depth...
since the staff is ALWAYS on vacation!!
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Duh
The guy in the picture.
Yeah, I should probably fix that.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
He actually
meant to write “marinated.” Purple Row is a cannibalism blog.
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ahem, stupid Chrome.
Do I need to take my “What do I do in StL” OT talk into an OT thread, or can I talk about it in here?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I asked a St. Louis friend for you already.
She said to go the the City Museum.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
that was what you tweeted me this morning, right? Or texted or whatever? (still shaking out cobwebs)
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope. I did neither.
Someone else must love you too.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Turns out it was Charlie.
My bad, Charlie.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I have 2 days, man.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I assume you're going up into the Arch?
That’s a pretty fun thing to do. You could also go down to the river walk and mess around.
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I don't know. I mean, I kind of want to
But it seems so touristy, you know?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I never understood what's so wrong with being touristy?
If it’s something you want to see, do it.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 14, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not so much the "whatever, I'm trying to be all counterculture"
Most cities prey upon tourists like that, and understandably so. I’m bad with crowds (usually) and I hate paying the premium because I’m from somewhere else, you know?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Just do it. It's pretty cool.
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I would agree with this
as long as you know this: if you are really claustrophobic, that elevator ride up is going to be hell.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 14, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
nah, I'm not too claustrophobic
Just easily jostled by large crowds that aren’t moving.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Then you better check first to see if there are any protesters occupying it this week.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 14, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFF
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
They are all being disbursed and arrested today apparently :(
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I asked the St. Louis native again.
She’s working up an email. I’ll forward it on.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
oh nice
What a gal!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
It is the "Show Me State."
I asked her to do an email because I didn’t know how to spell half the stuff she was saying.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I've been to Seymore in the Show Me State
Get well soon Juan.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't mind a little "Show Me" ;)
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
thaaaaanks
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Some touristy things are fun anyway!
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Who knows
maybe Amart will share an elevator ride with a babe wearing a Rockies shirt and their eyes will meet ………..
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Oh to make it scandalous
what if it’s a babe in a Giants shirt carrying exactly the same sign he carried last night…..
what does AMart do?
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Wouldn’t mind a little “Show Me” ;)
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see, SOMEBODY gets it
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I got it
I just wanted a real long term loving relationship for you
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meh.
What happens in St. Louis stays in St. Louis.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Don’t we all.
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Meh
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
ya, I'm probably in forbidden territory.
I’m just a hopeless romantic ,I guess .:(
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
you and me both
I just doubt that I’ll meet her anybody on a weekend trip to the Midwest.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 12:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Always happens when you least expect it...
I just hope A Mart doesn’t get arrested. I’d hate to see him traded to another blog….
Well, maybe McC, if we could get Grant back in the deal…. :=)
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Grant is pretty damn funny
and would make a great addition to the Row. However I don’t want to really trade anyone for him. Perhaps we can get him as a free agent
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 1:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
no
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Give it some time.
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no
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
KIDS
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
innnnnteresting.
Thanks again for this. I wasn’t expecting you to actually do it!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
No problem
Although maybe I shouldn’t have because at least one person seemed to really hate it.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
From a usual
hit-and-run commenter.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 2:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome, thanks
I have 1 thing I’m doing for sure: Going to Pappy’s for some BBQ.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
soooooo much
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 2:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
oh God, so much BBQ
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 2:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I was
And then I met Duk from Big League Stew and saw Jayson Stark enter the place.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Ended up seeing Tapes n Tapes.
Good show.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Fantastic job, RIRF
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Kudos to them for sure.
I was kinda apprehensive about contacting them because of my lack of computer skills ,but I am glad I did. :)
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Man, that BPro article hit it out of the park
I think it actually changed how I view the draft.
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Especially for a team who picks 10 next season
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
And is historically bad at 1st round picks....
Greg Reynolds…
/shakes head.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Drew Pomeranz arrested
http://oxfordeagle.com/2011/10/former-rebel-arrested/
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What did he do
neither your link nor the link in Renck’s tweet is working for me…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Disturbing the peace.
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The peace deserved it
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was just about to post it.
here
There will be blog shortly: Pomeranz was arrested by the Oxford Police Dept at 1:25 this morning and was charged with disturbing the peace
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Of course not.
What could he have done that was so bad in a college town that he’d get arrested for disturbing the peace?
I’m hoping it’s a case of the cops over-reacting.
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His car is
actually a Transformer that has bad taste in music.
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I'm going to guess
that it was a drunken shoving match. Alabama plays at MIssissippi on Saturday. He was probably in town for the game.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
#OccupyOxford
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 14, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Renck's blog
says it happened after he left a bar. So, maybe.
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I went to an SEC school.
Sounds about right.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Closing Time
Time for you to go out
and punch a Tide fan in the face…
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I thought they now just poisoned old defenseless trees?
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Defenseless?
The tree started it! Its branches swayed in the wind at him.
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Can't turn the living ones into bats...
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Pom was just going to construct
Wonderbat.
He named his fists lightning and thunder.
Get well soon Juan.
Oh you act like the
branches leaned all the way down to hit him in the head whilst he was sitting neath it.
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He occupied
the space.
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Renck has also tweeted:
Regarding Pomeranz, from what I am learning today about incident, that no reason to overreact until facts come out.
I have seen it back to my days at CU. When a player returns to old campus, he can be singled out even during a group incident.
Sounds about right
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Yep.
Had he been in Denver or Memphis, I would be a little more concerned, though not too much. He was hanging out with his old buddies. He thought he’d be a show off taking the challenge of some idiot. He ended up in the tank for three hours. He’ll pay a fine and it will be done with.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I just realized
I’m pretty sure Oxford is actually the home of Ole Miss. Mississippi State (Drew’s alma mater) is in Starkville. Not sure how far apart they are, but I’m sure there’s no love lost there….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
You're right
why had I always thought Mississippi State? Derp.
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Made some lovestruck Southern girl swoon
“Oh Mama! It’s Drew Pomeranz!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
2011 strikes again
The season is over, but it can still get worse.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty much this.
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Nice Knowing you Drew
I fully expect you to get traded now. The Rockies Org doesn’t put up with this kinda crap, nor should they.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Being arrested.
Rockies pride themselves more then others, on being a character first organization. Being arrested for whatever reason goes against that one main organizational philosophy.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Bully for you if you've never done anything dumb in your life.
I have. And I think I’m still a pretty good person. You don’t even know any of the details.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
True
However you need to look at it from a PR issue.
You traded your one “ace” who by all means was an upstanding model team mate and citizen for a prospect who now has an arrest record.
This is a PR nightmare for the Rockies, and I think the chance of Pom getting traded this off season went from zero to something a bit higher then that.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Maybe we should find out what he actually did
before declaring it a “PR nightmare”?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
He got arrested
You usually have to do something to be arrested. My guess is he was drunk off his ass, at a party and someone snitched.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
So you're going to trade every player of legal age that gets drunk?
Good luck with that.
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
You can get drunk
without getting arrested. I know a lot of people lack the maturity to do so, but it is possible.
I can see it now on all the Sports Radios Talk shows, and the News at 10:00
“The guy that came back in the Ubaldo Deal was arr…. wait whats this? Everybody, Tim Tebow just farted… stay tuned for more details.”
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Seriously
This isn’t a Denny Neagle situation. Obviously it’s not the most desired situation, but as far as we know he was intoxicated. Whoop de do.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
That's true
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
It was the local cops looking for a headline
So they arrested the “baseball star”
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Agree
Could be shoving match, or maybe he peed in an alley. We might want at least a tidbit of information before shipping the kid out of town.
And while I like the fact that the Rockies are mostly made up of good people, I get seriously sick of this being a rationale for keeping guys around who can’t play baseball at an MLB level.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 14, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
DFA! DFA! DFA!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice guys don't finish last, dammit!
…but we hold down 4th place with the best of them.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 14, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
:-) Nice guys have a pretty high ceiling though!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Most people in Denver have no idea who Drew Pomeranz is.
Even if he had done something pretty bad, it probably wouldn’t be a PR nightmare. Disturbing the peace could be anything from getting into a shouting match to peeing on the sidewalk. Seriously. He’s going to pay a fine. That’s it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
They know him as the guy who they traded Ubaldo for
How many times was Ubaldo arrested?
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
How many times has Ubaldo peed on a sidewalk?
seriously, stop trying to turn this into good vs. evil…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
No. They don't.
Some baseball fans know his name. That’s it. If I walked around my office asking people who he was, I’d be surprised if 2% of the people could tell me.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I hated that we traded Ubaldo at all.
and I never even thought about Ubaldo when I read this news.
Heh, and besides, didn’t the front office say they needed some guys with edge etc? Well they got it.
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Right.
He probably cried half the time he was in the tank.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
We didn't trade Ubaldo because he's a good guy
We traded him because he wasn’t performing up to par. These guys are BASEBALL PLAYERS, not youth ministers.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
I like having good guys that I can root for on the team.
Being 22 and getting arrested in your old college town on the weekend of the big game for disturbing the peace does not phase me one bit.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you - I gasped when I heard the news
I’m not happy about it, but I don’t think this jeopardizes his career with the Rockies. (As far as we know) He didn’t get caught with drugs, he didn’t drive drunk, he didn’t cause anyone serious bodily harm.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I gasped but mostly because I thought
oh crap, what NOW!?
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I gasped because when I heard "arrested"
I assumed drunk driving, assault, etc. I’m still not excited, but it sounds more like a case of making silly choices thank actual criminal activiy.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Or activity
Whichever you prefer
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
And "than", not "thank"
Not my best post spelling-wise.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
In Fort Collins
peeing on the sidewalk will get you a registration as a sex offender.
by Purple Row Troll on Oct 14, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I won't ask how you know this...
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think your logic is a bit flawed
As The Toddfather’s Goatee has stated, Ubaldo was traded because he was no longer performing on the field. If the type of person he was had any major influence on if he was dealt or not, he would still be a Rockie as he’s about as outstanding a team guy as you’re going to find.
So if the Rockies are willing to trade one of the greatest character guys in the history of the organization when he’s performing mediocre, I don’t think they are going to look to deal an elite prospect because of he disturbed the peace, especially since that’s about as minor record as you can get. Many times it’s even dropped altogether.
Let’s get the details before we go any further here.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
there’s no way this becomes a “PR nightmare”
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Well it has become a PR(Purple Row)nightmare
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Dude, Tim Tebow is the starting QB for the denver broncos
This is going to get hardly any press
Can you imagine if Tebow had been arrested?
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People would start booing him, probably
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL.
I’m thinking it would immediately turn into
Tebow was framed!
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Since when has what actually happened
had any bearing on the adoration of The Tebow?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
that's for sure
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There are jokes here.
But they’re all inappropriate. Imagine what you’d like.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
depends on the size of his bat
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That's a foolish reason to let someone. A team composed of entirely "good spotless guys" gets you the 2010 and 2011 Rockies
Oh noes, the boy was drunk in public in his college town on the evening before a football game. Welcome to a college town. The kid will be fine.
Teams entirely of nice guys do not win championshionships.
DOD should definitely know this after watching Albert Belle in Cleveland.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 14, 2011 1:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
*championships
Holy hell, I guess I won’t be winning any spelling championship either.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 14, 2011 1:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome
Finally…… not everyone is a choir boy……
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
He's a choir boy.
He’s just a naughty choir boy.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
naughty choir boy
putting these three words together just doesn’t seem…… now if you replaced a couple words with something like “educational maiden” nevermind….
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Hey. That's offensive to choir boys.
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"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011
Gee, again?
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
When was Pom
arrested before?
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that was my thought
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I remember reading something like this before....
Google “Drew Pomeranz arrested”. I think it was about the same thing.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Good find
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
2008
If you do a google search it comes up. Sounds like the same sort of deal.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Except in 08 he had a fake ID on him
ouch
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
And refused to take a breathalyzer
Meh. Just a kid doing what kids do. Except he makes lots more money.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Didn't have one
didn’t care about it.
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Sometimes I wish I had a fake ID that said I was 18
so I could go buy dry ice and make fun science bombs.
I mean….not me.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Just buy some Mentos and Coke - the soda not the other stuff
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Not nearly as dangerous.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh so you want to do damage.......
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/raises hands to both questions.
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All of the above
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
me
but not because i didnt drink in college. Just didn’t need one. There was always parties to go to or people who were 21/had a fake that could buy for me when I needed
oh fine...next you'll tell me his name isn't really Pomeranz, was born Venezuela and is here illegally. :0
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Now this I would believe
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His name is Juan Carlos Oveido
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Good job on the Rockpile, BTW
Highlighting what I think is the key non-pitching issue for the 2012 season. (I think we’ve got enough competent, though not outstanding, fill-ins at 2B.)
Here’s where I come out on it, from a very non-stats point of view:
Assuming no big-$ or big-cost in prospects acquisition (and I think the $ cost or prospect cost would be too much in a thin 3B market), at the end of Spring Training,
the “Who should play 3B?” question is answered is with another question:
Which of the possibilities will help the Rockies win the most games in 2012?
If that’s Arenado, fine, even if he’s not quite ready yet.
If a “new Stew” shows up at ST (physically and attitudinally) & he’s back to where he was 2 years ago, fine.
If Wigs or Nelson is the best we can do until Arenado’s ready, OK. But I won’t be happy.
Agree with most of this
The one thing I don’t want to do though is rush Arenado if he’s not ready. I think we have something really special here (clearly Jim Tracy has been the manager of this team too long) and don’t want to do anything that could disrupt his progress. We will have six years of a cost controlled potential star starting at some point that overlaps with the Tulo and Cargo era. If I have to wait an extra year for Arenado to reach his ceiling, I’m willing to do that even if he still might be a little better right now than whoever we give the job to at 3B. The payoff may be that good.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I look at it a little differently
If he’s that good, he’s not going to be ruined by an adjustment period where he struggles some. The talent will eventually show itself. It’s not like a pitcher who might do physical damage by overthrowing or not work on developing new pitches. If he needs to work himself into the 3B job, but is still bettter while doing it than the other candidates, let him do it.
The team does have a long window, but at some point a “this is a winning organization” mind-set needs to take hold. Waiting 2 more years for that is too long. “Learn to win now” is my view, and that means putting the best players at each position out there, regardless of sunk costs (Wigginton), “potential”/trade value (Stewart) or draft pick level (Nelson).
Tweet from Renck
So Huston Street won’t be a Met :) RT @SI_JonHeyman #mets hired bob geren as bench coach
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heh
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
If you want a good chuckle
Check out the reactions to the Drew Pomeranz news by the DP commenters. Wonderfully overdramatic.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 2:14 PM MDT reply actions
what, you haven't heard?
this is the absolute and complete end of the world. because there is literally NOTHING AT ALL WORSE than being arrested on what is probably trumped up charges.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
YOU MEAN
I should expect my children to IDOLIZE a man who gets DRUNK?! At age 22?!?!?!?
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait how are we getting to idolization here?
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from dp story
Eric 57 minutes ago
And this is the centerpiece of the future of the Rockies? A rowdy drunk?Awesome. Just the kind of guy I want my kids to idolize.
Huge facepalm for the Rockies organization. I will not be spending my hard earned to watch a bunch of idiots pay baseball.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Oh. Okay. I whiffed...DFA
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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
More beer for us!!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
If Drew doesn't pull a Beckett and drink it all...
too soon?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
If he gets us 10 years of Beckett-like performance
until he gets fat and lazy… WIN!
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
And hopefully less wave!
/pretty please?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
PLEASE.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Just than one idiot!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Why is Pomeranz paying baseball?
Shouldn’t baseball be paying him?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
He's playing his hard earned money
to watch baseball payers!? The confusion!!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
So....
Should I still buy a Pom shirsey?
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Only if it's new jailbird orange
or black and white stripes or says Alcatraz
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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You're in college.
He should be your new hero.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay, then.
And so shall he be.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
As long as he wasn't driving and focuses on baseball during the season, kudos kid, have a freaking blast.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Lol I got it from one of the DP commenters
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Isn't that what Purple Row is about?
Purple Row: A Making Fun of DP Commenters Blog
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I mostly read it for the insightful compliments
towards Ty Wigginton
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Purple Row: The No Fun Blog Where
We Crap On Everything And Everyone That Isn’t Hip To The Groupthink
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Well crappity crap crap crap
this is not the blog I was looking for
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Really? It's exactly the blog I was looking for...
I really think that’s how pretty much EVERYBODY feels…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
This blog is crap.
They might as well shut it down.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
That's not acceptable as part of groupthink
Git out uh here.
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Hey, now just wainaminnit here...
I’m pretty sure Groupthink thinks exactly what I think all the time….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Groupthink says no.
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I wanna give him a piece of my mind!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
But you .....can't
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;-)
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
We are groupthink.
Independent thought is futile.
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I disagree
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
No you don't
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
no YOU don't
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
No, you're right.
I don’t.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions
But I do
or do I?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
No you DON'T
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Old foagies exempted...
We still know how to use batting average, runs batted in, and wins as part of our skill set as well as the Mark 1 eyeball. We aknowledge the SABR numbers but do not kowtow to them. We still believe in the baseball arts. Our groupthink is immune to yours locutus. Bare off.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
You take YOUR HYPERBOLIC GROUPTHINK
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Cat is an individual.
Like everyone else here.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
take that Groupthink!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I'm pretty sure Groupthink is on board with this...
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
wait, what?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I dont know which is worse: the half-assed over parenting, or the half-assed under parenting this describes.
/but we’re using our whole ass.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to defend Post commenters, but...
Any more overdramatic than what was posted above?
by Northsider1964 on Oct 14, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
SERIOUSLY. YOU’RE AN IDIOT. THEY SHUT SHUT THIS THING DOWN!
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Well now that's just stupid.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
/astherewaswithmine
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
O/T: the NFL is going to start with the testing for HGH next week.
Bud, hello, Bud?…….
ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
He's busy monitoring if roofs are open or not.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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hey, that's really important.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Sometimes they come on to the field during warm ups!!!
This needs to end, NOW!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
You know what, they are only warming up.
Do you want a squirrel to pull a muscle while he disrupts play? I’m calling the ASPCA
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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My money is on "no."
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
so am i the only one...
who prefers knowing that one of our players is spending a thursday night out drinking and clubbing rather than, say, attending a justin bieber movie or concert?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Only if Mountain Drew
was drinking at a Party in the USA
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 14, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, let's
remember what happened with Ian Stewart from his Twitter account last offseason.
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I....
(no comment)
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought you gave him the virtual bird for a minute
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
huh?
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
never mind
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
thats more of the pinkey isnt it?
or index finger, depending on the hand
I know that's why I said at first....:)
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I can't say I'm a big fan.
But I don’t think it really means much.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Look, you are not doing her any favors
by continuing to love her. It’s just enabling the behavior.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Look Tulo did it for the tweens. I think he's learned his lesson.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Rebecca Black. I'm calling it.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
/band
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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fun fun fun fun fun
The wonderful thing about Pips is I’m the only one! IIIIII’m the only one!
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Why does it have to be either/or?
And if I judge by what I myself would choose if I had to pick one of those two, I’m not going to be a good person to ask.
all i meant was
i would prefer someone who acts his age, even if somewhat inappropriately, to someone who actually is amused by justin bieber.
and who hits tons of IFFBs.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I don't think acting your age and being amused by Justin Bieber have to be mutually exclusive.
I just don’t really see musical taste of indicative by much.
And I just realized you meant Pomeranz was acting his age.
Misread that. I still don’t really care about anyone’s musical tastes.
I doubt you're the only one
But I’m certainly not in your group
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I vote (c)
None of the above
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, is there no baseball on tonight at all?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
TBS or Fox?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
No but Alfred Williams
Is going to do some pregame baseball insights. It will go something like:
“Hey man I’m a big baseball fan man and there’s nuthin’ like goin’ to Coors Field and checkin’ out the pretty women and havin’ a cold one man and like I said man I love the Rockies man – but they need sum pitchin!”
by Northsider1964 on Oct 14, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
today was a travel day for the FAN so Alfred ended up getting lost
pretty funny that seems to happen all the time
Whew!!! I was going to
sudden onset of Crestfallen syndrome. Thank goodness that won’t happen now!
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
I need to see what I type before I press post:
“What people might find surprising: I taught my wife to change diapers when we had our first.” Source: New York Post (06/20/2004) ~Jorge Posada
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
I am Groupthink
Hear me roar: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Groupthink on Oct 14, 2011 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Is that you, Rex?
How’s the offseason going?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
no
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
welcome to purple row
Mr. Groupthink, how long do you think you will be staying?
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
How long
has the sky been blue and the ocean vast?
I was so waiting for this.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I think I still prefer
ZRMN though
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
OMG hivemind I was just thinking that!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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No hivemind
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Do not disturb the Janeway when she's working a "Starfleet" solution.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Rombie was my friend.
And PHCG is a hoot.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 14, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I would actually like to see the two get in an argument
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I haven't seen that guy around in forever
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 14, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh...I finished reading Moneyball today.
It was good.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
Oh, Red Sox. You're screwed.
“It was definitely a baseball signing,” Henry told hosts Michael Felger and Tony Massarotti on CBS Radio’s Boston affiliate. “In fact, anyone involved in the process, anyone involved in upper management of the Red Sox would tell you that I personally opposed that. They all know that.”
How come?
“Why? Because we had plenty of left-handed hitting. I don’t have to go into why,” Henry said. “I’ll just tell you that at the time, I opposed the deal. But I don’t meddle to the point of making decisions for our baseball people. This was driven, and Theo will tell you, it was driven by our baseball people. It wasn’t a PR move. Neither was the [Adrian] Gonzalez [trade and eventual] signing.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111014&content_id=25659914&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
He does know that Crawford still plays for his team, right?
he'll probably try to trade him
like anyone would take on that contract, though
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Crawford will be going on 35 the next time he hits free agency.
If I were him, I’d take a nice relaxed attitude toward life and invest my $20 million per year wisely. Screw Boston.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions
barry zito style
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
John Henry did a long interview today at 98.5 (one of the local Boston radio stations)
He got so angry at what was being said about him in the media that he showed up in the middle of the show and went at it with the hosts.
/Riveting radio (They go into just about everything you could want to hear regarding this debacle)
If you want to hear it, there’s a link to parts one and two at the bottom of this page.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow nice play Betancourt!
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Wow Evil CarGo looking like Good CarGo
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How long is LaRussa going to get away with leaning this hard on his bullpen?
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Good question
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I thought so
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
They've held up extremely well so far but the consistently strong lineups they have/and will be facing now
should break it down sooner rather then later.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Their offense can keep making their job easier too though the way they add runs.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Have any of the SP gone more than 5 innings this series?
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Nope
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Game 1: Garcia (4.1 innings)
Game 2: Jackson (4.2 innings)
Game 3: Carpenter (5 innings)
Game 4: Lohse (4.1 innings)
Game 5: Garcia (4.2 innings)
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh look at you with your fancy stats and me
with my “Nope”. :)
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I find it interesting how consistent those numbers are
It shows that LaRussa probably has a lot to do with this
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Grienke has really deserved better today. Bad defense is dooming him...until now that
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And yet some fantastic plays too :(
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So, what about Jerry Hairston at 3rd next season?
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We already had a Jerry Hairston at third this year.
It didn’t work out too well.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish we had someone like Hairston this year.
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We did.
Ty Wigginton is pretty much Hairston. Wigginton has a slightly better bat. Hairston has a slightly better glove. Hairston is two years older. But, for the most part, they’re similar players. Utility guys. Wigginton has been consistently better over his career than Hairston, and has been a starter. Hairston has only had over 500 PAs once in his career—in 2001.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Hairston is a little better
Wigginton is just a disaster.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
The stats don't hold up to that at all.
Wigginton has a career 100 OPS+. Hairston has an 86.
Wigginton is a much better bat than Hairston.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions
And Wigginton actually has more career PAs
even though Hairston has been in the league longer.
Hairston was a much better fielder when he was younger. He’s lost most of that though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
And Hairston has 16 times the career rWAR and more than twice the career fWAR of Wigginton because Ty just does everything else so poorly
And there’s evidence that although younger, Wigginton is declining even faster at the plate.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Which I consider important
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously,
there is no way you can show statistically that Hairston is a better player over his career than Wigginton. He’s not.
He had a beter glove and played 2B. But Hairston has no bat. He never has. That’s why he’s got over 500 PAs in only one season in his 14 career seasons. He’s a slightly better version of Herrera.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Wigginton does exactly one thing well
Hit with the bases empty. That’s it. Everything else he does erodes at that.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Which is why he and Hairston are basically the same.
Hairston does one thing well, he’s got a good glove. Everything else he does erodes at that. That’s why utility guys are utility guys. They are used for specific purposes because they don’t have all the tools.
That being said, over his career, Wigginton has been used more than Hairston over his career because, on average, he has been a better player.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions
And we're talking at a rate of 133 PAs per season more.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't believe I'm F'n defending Ty Wigginton.
DAMN YOU 2011!!!!!
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I would join you, but I've been beaten down by the PR Wigginton torch and pitchfork crowd.
I finally just hung back and watched them storm the castle whilst shaking my head.
Well. If people just want to ignore stats
and go with their emotions, you’re not going to get anywhere.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a nice stat
Ty Wigginton’s career rWAR = 0.7
Jerry Hairston’s career rWAR = 11.2
Ty Wigginton’s career fWAR = 6.6
Jerry Hairston’s career rWAR = 15.0
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
It's actually not nice.
because it’s all based on Wigginton having a low dWAR as a DH and player who moves between positions while Hairston has a high dWAR due to low numbers of appearances at positions, and with the rWAR, particularly at 2B where Wigginton hasn’t played.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
No he really hasn't
He’s been a better bat, which is pretty misleading anyway because he turns into Jerry Hairston at the plate if there’s anybody on base. But a better bat does not make him a better player.
And having more PA’s doesn’t mean he’s a better player either. All you have to do is look at Jim Tracy to see that the best players don’t always play.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
When you show me some stats that
explain how Hairston is better that aren’t based on TotalZone bias of a guy who was primarily a career backup 2B, then I’ll believe you. So far, that’s all you have.
And we’re not talking about just a little difference in playing time here. We’re talking more than 30 games per season of playing time.
I admit openly that both are clearly utility guys. But there is no basis to support Hairston as a better player whatsoever. Better glove, yes. Better player, no.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
This is not a total zone bias
Ty Wigginton is an awful glove regarless of what metric we use…(career defensive numbers)…
UZR = -77
DRS = -74
Total Zone = -110
So yes, total zone says he’s the worst but the others metrics are still hideous.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
You don't understand.
Hairston has limited appearances and played 2B. Wigginton moved between positions and played DH. These factors skew the numbers, particularly the Total Zone numbers with the time at 2B, but the rest as well. It has nothing to do with one stat over the other.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Let me give you an example.
In TotalZone, Wigginton has -3 runs saved playing 6 games in RF. Did he seriously cost us .5 runs per game above average in those six games?
He made no errors in those games. He did make a couple poor plays in one game that I attended. Would he have made those plays had he spent more than 6 games in RF this season? Maybe not. Half of the problem was his total lack of experience playing RF at Coors.
The defensive metric doesn’t take this into account though. It sees problems. It matches them up against appearances, then extrapolates against a league average RF who plays out there 150 games or so.
It’s not a good way to measure him. Obviously, his glove is far worse than Hairston’s. But his glove has not cost his teams 11 wins over his career. That’s more than 1 win per season.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Although I do like the idea
that Wigginton would have cost us over 8 wins had he played in RF all season.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure he doesn't make that many errors
That’s not the problem. What is a huge problem though is that he doesn’t get to anything that’s not hit directly at him. Many times you just say “oh that’s a hit” when he wasn’t that close to making a play. When he’s in the field as much as he has been throughout his career, that costs a team a truckload of runs over time.
Think about this. The difference between a guy who hits .250 and a guy who hits .300 is ONE HIT A WEEK. One bloop that falls in, one gound ball that finds its way between third and short (probably because Wigginton was manning the hot corner), one swinging bunt. That’s it. Not a major piece of news in small sample, but it just shows how a few hits vs. outs can make a huge difference over time.
Now think about Ty Wigginton in the field. There’s at least one play a week that he doesn’t make that an average defender would. That adds up, and over years of playing time and what it adds up to is between a negitive 7.5 and 11 wins for the teams he’s been on. (Their records shouldn’t make this much of a surprise).
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
This doesn't address the point.
The point is that the SSS greatly exaggerates his weaknesses statistically. Do you really think that, had he played RF all season, he would have cost the Rockies 8 Wins above replacement?
In one season?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually,
if I remember correctly, dWAR is actually based on league average so it is really improperly named. So. Over eight wins above league average in one season.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
The numbers I referenced are not saying this
They say that over the course of his career, playing all these different positions, Wigginton ACTUALLY DID COST THE TEAM between 7.5 and 11 wins, just not all playing at the same position. Wigginton obviously would not have cost the team 8 wins in a season if he played the whole year in RF, just as a hitter who goes 1 for 30 at the plate and has a -4 runs listed on his “bat” total for rWAR is probably not going to cost his team 80 runs if he got 600 PA’s.
It’s the same principle. The hitter is bad, but he won’t continue to be that bad. He will however keep costing the team runs with the bat if he stays in the lineup, just at a lesser lever. On the same idea, Wigginton will continue (and did) cost his team runs with his glove, just at a lesser level.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
No. The stats DO say that RIRF.
That’s how dWAR is figured. That’s the problem. You need to read up on that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
The ACTUAL COST
you are pointing to is being driven by run totals based on SSS. Those 3 runs that Wigginton apparently cost us in 6 games count toward his run total. This run total is than transferred into dWAR.
Do you really think he cost us .5 runs in per game he stepped in RF?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
No I don't
And that’s never been my argument.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
But it is. Because that's
how 17% of his dWAR for 2011 was generated.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Let me make this clearer because I'm not sure I was.
I don’t think he would cost the team 0.5 runs per game if he stepped on the field every single day of the season. However he could certainly cost the team 0.5 a game on any given day. Just as a guy can go 0 for 5 at the plate and cost his team runs with the bat on any given day. (Cole Garner had 9 AB’s this season and cost the team a full run by posting a .522 OPS)
These number go up and down all season. The six games Wigginton was in RF were very down days.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
But don't you see how this is
statistically problematic when trying to develop a value for Wigginton’s glove?
Jason Giambi had a .1 dWAR this year. Does this mean that he is an above average glove? Statiscally, yes. Realistically, no.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't say he's an above average glove period
It says he was a slightly above average glove THIS YEAR, and I certainly can see that. However, he’s had many many more innings in the field over his career, just as Wigginton has at all of these positions. Those numbers, the large sample size tell a clearer story, and the story on both are very ugly.
Those are the stories I’m going to believe.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
You're missing the details in the math.
The details add up.
1) dWAR is based on year-to-year season averages then added up. There is no career dWAR.
2) The individual seasons for players like this contain SSS. The sizes exaggerate positives or negatives.
3) These exaggerations carry over directly into the career number.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
You make it sound like these year to year averages will change like night and day
They don’t. It will impact the numbers some here and a little there but not nearly enough to be anywhere near the difference you are implying. I’m not trying to convince you that the career numbers are perfect, but they are pretty damn close.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Also,
you believe that Giambi had a better glove this year than Wigginton?
The stats say this.
Had we moved Giambi around to play all of the positions that Wigginton played, do you think his dWAR would be better or worse than -1.2?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
But he didn't play all those positions
Wigginton did. The reason Giambi was better was exactly because he wasn’t in there all that much. That’s what makes Wigginton so bad, he’s in the field this much at different positions every single year because he can’t play any of them well and has to move around.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
The stats don't tell you this though.
That’s your assumption based on the stats. This is why you have no statistical argument.
I can easily say that Wigginton could also have bad numbers because he does get moved around and thus is below average because he doesn’t get reps at one position. However, he has a higher value because he can at least play different positions with some competence unlike other players, such as Giambi.
You cannot statistically disprove my point either, just like you cannot statistically prove your own.
The statistics you’re using also say that Dexter Fowler (-1.4 WAR) had a worse glove than Wigginton and Cargo (-0.4) was worse than Giambi. There are reasons for this as well. But you have to speculate, because the stats do not tell the story.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
He does not have more value because he can play different positions
The reason for this is that he can’t play any of these positions well.
You continue to cherry pick SSS nuggets out of Wiggginton’s awful array of numbers, this time comparing them to SSS numbers cherry picked from other players.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not cherry-picking them.
dWAR is. That’s the point. Your using dWAR to prove that Hairston is a better player than Wigginton. dWAR is flawed in these cases.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
In the end, over the same length of career
the .1 in Giambi’s dWAR for 2011 for less than 30 appearances at first has the SAME VALUE as the -.4 for Cargo. That’s not cherry-picking.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
dWar does not cherry pick
It happens at random. It’s not like all the balls are hit to one sweet spot that Wiggy can’t get to when he’s playing a position just because he doesn’t play it that often.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions
This has nothing to do with the point I just made.
The point being that runs earned over SSS are equal to runs earned over an entire season of play. So, accusing me of cherry-picking by using SSS when discussing dWAR is inaccurate because dWAR uses SSS. That’s the whole point of this.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Your best argument is that
in the one season in which he played the same position (2003 Mets) he had a -2.8 WAR. So. He was a -2.8 WAR 3B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
You are using Rtot/year
(The number of runs the fielder was worth if the fielder played that exact same way over 1200 innings)
That stat is useless in the SSS you are breaking it down to. If you want to use the -19, -4, and -10 Rtot/year number he’s had at 3B, 1B, and 2B then it starts to make sense. You can’t just pick and choose which season you want with that stat.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
No. I'm not. I'm using straight rtot.
It’s not useless. His rtot/yr at RF based on his 2011 numbers is -71.
Those 3 runs from 6 games count toward his dWAR.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Above you asked me
Do you really think that, had he played RF all season, he would have cost the Rockies 8 Wins above replacement?
In one season?
That’s where I was reffering to rtot/year. He’s not going to cost the team 80 runs in a season, but he probably did cost the team 3 runs in those 6 days he wasin right. (It doesn’t take much to cost your team 3 runs)
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
But this shows the inherent problem
in trying to evaluate his glove using these numbers. The numbers aren’t generated by someone watching the game and noting whether he made a bad jump on the ball or not. It’s based on chances and and plays made regardless of difficulty. Usually these things work themselves out, but not over six games, and the the player is still stuck with the runs.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
The game unfolds in small sample size
It doesn’t matter if these samples at each position become large over several seasons. He’s still getting the chances everyone else would have if they played the positon everyday for a couple of years straight. And he’s terrible at ALL positions once that happens.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you actually believe that these average numbers change so much from year to year that they would say anything other than Wigginton is a terrible glove?
Every piece of info we have from defensive stats, the eye tests, to scouts, to managers who constantly play him at diferent positions because he can’t play any of them well say he’s dreadful. Why would you expect this to be any different?
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
The differences are enough
to make an argument that uses them to prove a guy who has 133 less PAs per season is better than another guy pretty sketchy.
If we were comparing two starters, straight up, I’d be ok with the fuzziness. We’re basically looking at two exaggerated cases. So exaggerated that the difference from one dWAR to another dWAR is almost double.
I think you need a better stat. That’s all.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Well these are the only stats we have to quantify his defense which is the worst Wigginton has to offer.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
This is why I go back to those
133 PAs per season. If you can’t trust the defensive stats and you want to ignore the offensive disparities, you are left with the perception of the player.
Either Ty Wigginton has fooled everyone into thinking it, or he is actually a better player than Hairston.
I’m going to have to side with the former. He was an all-star, y’know.
That being said. I don’t think he is that much better. I think they are basically the same level of player, with different problems. I don’t think you can refute that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Although, your best argument is:
in the one season in which he played the same position (2003 Mets) he had a -2.8 WAR. So. He was a -2.8 WAR 3B.
I have no answer for that, except that it was his first time playing a regular position of 3B for an entire season.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
wait
are you guys arguing over if ty wigginton is a good defender or not?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
No.
He’s a bad defender. It’s whether Hairston is a better player.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions
ah
i been drinking a bit, but i’d hazard that hairston is better.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
And I think most Rockies fans are going
to go this way. But I think it’s more emotion than facts. I hate Wigginton. I want him gone. But Hairston is basically Jonathan Herrera Plus.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah the wiggy hate is extemely influential over whatever facts may exist
and he’s got almost 3x the career WAR of wiggy in only 78 more games. and his utility with in leverage and RISP is pretty much an illusion, as it’s right in line with his career splits overall. i dunno, i’d rather him over my team that wiggy, even without the knowledge of just how godawful wiggy actuall is
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
We're arguing over exactly how bad he is
And if it’s more or less than how bad Jerry Hairston is with a bat.
……I think :-)
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Right.
I think the nature of the two players makes it very difficult to use dWAR as the basis of the argument, because of the weaknesses of dWAR.
Without dWAR, Wigginton is better across the board.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I've also had the distinct pleasure
of watching both of them for years. And that also leads me to side with Wigginton. But, basically, they’re just two heads of the same coin. I don’t think either one is better than a utility player.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
No he's not
Hairston is better at defense (I don’t care what you want to use to measure that), it’s just a matter of how much, he’s better at not grounding into DP’s, he’s a better baserunner, and he’s an equal bat to Wigginton when there’s men on base. The only, and I mean only thing Wigginton is really better at is hitting with the bases empty, and I just don’t beleive he’s good enough at that to overcome everything else.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 15, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Everyone?
Look at the teams who gave him this playing time, and then consider that those teams all got rid of him pretty swiftly once they realized what they had.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions
That's already moot.
Hairston didn’t get playing time on equally bad teams.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions
The best players don't always play
Wigginton’s warts don’t show as much unless you start seeing him everyday.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions
meh.
You could say the same thing might happen to Hairston if he actually ever played as a starter. That’s all conjecture. Anyway, I’m off to bed.
If you really think Hairston would have been better as a starting 3B, I salute you. But I think he’d suck equally… at best.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 15, 2011 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he's suck slightly less
Only because he has multiple things that he’s better at than Wiggy. Ty has one card in his hand and even that one is not all that great, as you can only do so many things with the bases empty.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 15, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Good night Petro
I enjoyed the debate.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 15, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand quite well
He’s played 2B (168 games), 3B (656 games), 1B (258 games), and outfield (75 games). He even played SS for 9 games, I can only imagine the horror show that must have been.
Why did Ty Wigginton play all of these positions? Well, because he can’t play any of these positions!!! It sounds counterintuitive but when you have a career playing for the Mets, Pirates, Devil Rays, Astros, O’s, and the 2011 version of the Rockies, managers are just going to put you in the field wherever they can because the rest of the team is so awful and they want to give the bat a shot. And this says less about Wigginton’s bat than it does about the other bats on the teams he played for.
These factors do not skew the number. Every time Wiggy brings a glove onto the field the team he plays for gets worse, and it doesn’t matter what position he’s at. Just because he’s getting that much time on defense at different positions doesn’t mean he’s costing you any less runs. It all adds up in the end. That’s what those numbers mean.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
See above.
That’s not what it means. Defensive numbers have problems, particularly with SSS.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
This is not SSS
You just spent the last part of this thread talking about all the extra playing time he gets. he’s had more than a season’s worth of games in his career at 3B, 2B, and 1B and he’s been a disgrace at all of them.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
6 games in RF is SSS.
And that’s 17% of his run total right there.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
36 games at 1B.
21 games in LF.
Not SSS? Against league averages?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
he’s had more than a season’s worth of games in his career at 3B, 2B, and 1B
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
But that's not how the defensive runs against are tallied RIRF.
So it’s pointless.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
To further explain,
they’re based on league average which is developed from single season performances from which the runs are extrapolated then totaled per year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, you're reaching with the teams.
Hairston has been on crappy teams as well, including half of his career with Baltimore. At least Wigginton was able to start on some of those bad teams. Hell. He was an All Star!
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
As I said,
these guys are the same level of player. Their careers bear that out. Even to the winning percentage of the teams they have been on and the number of times they’ve been moved around.
Same guy. Different strengths and weaknesses. Same guy.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey.
He actually saved 1 run in the 9 games at SS. If he would just stay at SS, he’d have a career 12.9 dWAR.
He’s an awesome SS!!!
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd still take Hairston over Wiggy
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One thing they have in common
they’re both Rockies killers…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
icwydt ....
bahahahaha
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This is the Brewers big chance to get back in this game
Let’s see if Fielder’s up to it
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:47 PM MDT reply actions
And that's a negatory there rubber ducky
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OT: Annoying things.
Mouse won’t work. I have fresh batteries, I’ve rebooted and clicked the buttons. WTF grrr
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These two teams are now a combined 4-21 with RISP tonight
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 8:55 PM MDT reply actions
Derp....
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4 errors?
Maybe I won’t cheer for Milwaukee any more.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Ugh. Why you gotta do that TBS!
Mentions Holliday being a part of the 2007 Rockies 21 of 22 team..
Just use the serrated edge while you’re at it.
/sobs
/sobs
nooooooo
/sniff
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Seems like 100 years ago :(
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Sorry I missed this but no more Casper Ghosts?
Tweet from Adam Spolane https://twitter.com/adamspolane/status/125041277086613504
Sorry can’t link well from mobile
Where they moving?
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Grand Junction
at least that’s been the rumors for months, and the last few weeks it has sounded like an almost done deal…
While I’m sorry for Casper, I’m pretty damn excited about this… :-D
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Being on the outside
We don’t know exactly how this unfolded, but if it unfolded the way the folks in Casper say it did, I’m not pleased with the way the Rockies handled this.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
It has been pretty disturbing how little anybody in Casper seemed to know
or at least wanted to admit to knowing. The buyout clause in their stadium lease was renegotiated last year, and reports of the possible move have been out there since January, so I do find it a bit hard to believe that folks up there were quite as completely in the dark about the possibility as they have said.
I suppose the Rockies/Monforts couldn’t afford to burn their bridges up there if the move fell through, but it seems like things could still have been up front…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
So now we have a Rookie league scout?
Yes you JR. Won’t interfere with busy season so you should be good.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
How about rookie league correspondent?
“Scout” seriously oversells my player evaluation capabilities.
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by Junction Rox on Oct 14, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
How is Suplizio Field coming along?
Sounds like they are completely restoring it from what my dad tells me.
Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter
-- odowd apologist --
Taking out the west stands (the old ones)
they bulldozed them right after Juco. The elevator towers up to the new press box/hospitality suites are in now. The stands should start going up before too long, I would think. It will be ready for Juco next year for sure. Not sure about the CMU and HS seasons….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Spolane is the announcer for the Ghosts. So he would know.
Sounds like something is done. Congrats Grand Junction!
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Stupid reply fail
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I heard the same yesterday morning
Definitely seems mor than likely
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 15, 2011 11:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: Go Rapids!
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I thought about it
But went to Bear Madness up here at UNC instead.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I couldn't find anybody to go with.
One guy was interested, but he flaked out on me.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 14, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Stewart
I don’t care if it is good, fast or cheap as long as it is not Stewart. I have been saying for yeart that his guy is not a big league hitter. He has proven over and over that he is incapable of adjusting to pitchers when they adjust to him. The Rockies has spent enough time, money and at bats on this guy, it is time to cut him loose. I would rather give Pacheco as shot at third, put Wigginton back at 3rd, go after David right or even move Tuo over about 3 steps and let him cover the entire left side of the infield than to watch another Ian Stewart strike out.
What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????
Didn't you read Junction Rox's Jim Tracy interview?
Tulo can’t move over three steps because he’ll be sucked into the black hole
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