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Tuesday Rockpile: Carlos Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki Healing, Still Not 100%

Much hand-wringing has - and will continue to - been done so far this "offseason" about how the Rockies will address their glaring holes at third base, second base and in the rotation.  Potential answers from the farm are not ready, but there certainly are options (Thomas Field, Josh Rutledge, Drew Pomeranz, Alex White, Chad Bettis, Nolan Arenado) in existence.

The problems facing the Rockies in the next year likely are not the problems facing the Rockies' longterm viability.  Two of the problems - gulp - could be Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez.

Despite their dual slight dips in performance this season, on-field production is not a concern for me.  When they are on the field, they justify their contracts and the effect it has on Dan O'Dowd's ability to supplement the roster.  They just have to be on the field.

Last offseason, I spent a good ten minutes per day spewing mockery at various internet outlets for calling Troy Tulowitzki "injury prone."  He had suffered a quad injury in 2009, lacerated his hand in 2009 being young and dumb, and broke his hamate bone on an errant pitch.  Nothing there had predictive value.

Until Tulo injured his leg again, then had lingering hip bursitis.  I can no longer fully defend "injury prone" accusations.

Carlos Gonzalez puts catching any one fly ball as priority over his longterm health, and as a result, he has suffered notable wrist injuries in consecutive seasons.  Power hitters need their wrists.  Despite sitting out October and much of September, he still isn't healed from the injury he suffered in July.  CarGo claims his wrist is currently at 70%.  He won't swing a bat again until four months after the original injury.

Neither Tulo nor CarGo require surgery, which is a relatively good sign.  Last Monday, Tulo turned 27, and yesterday, Gonzalez turned 26.  Their repeated injuries at a young age is not such a good sign.  

We haven't exactly struck an iceberg here.  I am not calling for hysteria.  But there is undoubtedly an ominous obstruction peeking out of the water on the horizon.  When one contract has 9 years/$152.25mil left and the other 6 years/$74million, one can't be too careful. 

Much was written about how critical the farm system would be to supplement the Rockies' duo with cheap, productive hitters during their peak contract years.  Perhaps more critical is Tulo and CarGo's health.  The Rockies' managed with an oft-injured Todd Helton, but he was productive in spurts, and the farm produced its best crop of hitters in franchise history alongside it.  As far as I'm concerned, the health of the two boppers is the greatest storyline to watch in 2012 regarding the viability of the franchise in coming years, perhaps tied with the performance of Drew Pomeranz and Alex White.

Fortunately, after years of claiming he can play no other way, CarGo is going to play a different way:

Gonzalez admits that he will attempt to adjust his style a bit, playing smarter to avoid the disabled list.

I'll gladly trade a couple defensive runs for the additional fifteen offensive runs, thank you very much. 

Star-divide

Free Agent Market: Second Base | FanGraphs Baseball  Matt Klaassen picks out the notable free agent second basemen, and you can see why Mark Ellis is such a (relatively) attractive option.  Those available include Jamey Carroll (who is 38), Jerry Hairston Jr, Kelly Johnson, Aaron Hill and Ellis.

Pitching prospect Matzek aims to show Rockies his resilience | ColoradoRockies.com: News  Jonathan Mayo reviews his preseason top 10 Rockies prospects and spins Tyler Matzek's season as positive as one possibly could.  Strangly, he ranks Christian Friedrich over Nolan Arenado still...

Looking ahead: 2011 xBABIP-adjusted batting lines  When TrueMath tells you who was "unlucky" or "lucky" based on "expected batting average on balls in play vs batting average on balls in play" (an xBABIP/BABIP comparison), you listen.  Two Rockies fit in the top 25 or so unluckiest hitters in MLB.  Colorado featured no "lucky" hitters.  So that's good for 2012.

And if you are in need of a wry smile this morning, Jim McLennan posted this at The Hardball Times four years ago today:

Why the Diamondbacks lost to the Rockies

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by Russ Oates on Oct 18, 2011 8:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Which bodies are you talking about?

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by Russ Oates on Oct 18, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

These are all the same person...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Oct 18, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scrappy = Unlucky?

Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 18, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Read about blocking pitches

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

According to the data, Iannetta ranks 38 of 60 qualified catchers the past four years in blocking pitches. He costs us 1.2 runs per season.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

when you say he costs us 1.2 runs per season, are you sure you don’t mean he costs us 20 wins and next year’s first-round pick?

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not in blocking pitches, only in framing them.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I never said he couldn't catch the ball or block it.

 My issue is framing. I think this confirms my observation of his framing. I’m not going to argue the effect of the framing because we will disagree. By this data will you agree he does poorly at it?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 18, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this says anything either way about framing.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

It places a value on it. (FR).

It’s there in the overall comparison listing the competeing WARs.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

and even with his allegedly terrible framing,

iannetta still placed 15th in WAR, of 36 MLB catchers with at least 500 defensive innings last year

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cripes......

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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 18, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any injury concerns over Cargo and Tulo

is why I kind of feel like the team needs to do something more drastic to acquire hitters to pair alongside them. Specifically, I don’t want us to feel happy knowing we have another 6 years of CarGo and another 9 of Tulo and then just think we can work it out through drafts and development. If we were to draft an awesome high school hitting prospect this year, lets just say the next Todd Helton, by the time that person were to come up, it would be 3 or 4 years down the line. This would result in only a few seasons of all of these players together and only if they’re injury free or haven’t declined.

When I think about it, I come away feeling like it’s best to treat the team as if CarGo and Tulo were both on 5 year contracts forcing us to assemble a strong team while both of these guys are in their primes. Other than Arenado and Pomeranz, I think I’d be open to dealing anyone if the price were right.

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 8:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Too early to worry

Neither of the injuries in question (for Cargo and Tulo) would imply long term problems. Both players play hard, and will be subject to injuries over time. But don’t see a need for concern just yet.

Todd’s back is different. Many back injuries never completely heal. How much he will be able to contribute the next couple of years is questionable. His performance this year was significant, in light of this injury.

by Real Perspective on Oct 18, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

This isn't really the point I'm making

I’m as optimistic as any about CarGo and Tulo staying healthy but when CarGo is gone and Tulo is 33 or 34, I assume he’ll 1. Not be quite as good as he is now and 2. more injury prone.

The point is that framing it as another 6 years of CarGo and another 9 of Tulo makes it seem like we have much more time to ‘get it right’, when in reality, if we want to assemble the best team possible (and assuming we don’t draft guys equal to CarGo and Tulo), then that time is over the next few seasons.

Rather than do what the Brewers did, which is sell the farm to go for it all in Prince’s last year, it makes a lot more sense (to me at least) to sell the farm to acquire an offensive version of Greinke or Marcum right now when if nothing else is guaranteed, we’re guaranteed that our two offensive cornerstones are in their peak.

Not that I’m saying we absolutely need to sell the farm (Again, I wouldn’t give up Arenado or Pom), nor make a trade for the sake of making a trade, but I think it makes more sense to make a bigger move now (or the next 2 seasons) than it does later when our prime guys are no longer in their primes.

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

For long-term problems, Tulo’s quad issue has recurred, and, what concerns me more, is this is the second year in a row wrist tendonitis has brought down CarGo for some time. Both can probably be corrected through proper strength and conditioning training, but that wrist worries me long term, especially with Cargo’s swing.

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by Yokel on Oct 18, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am concerned for the same reason I was concerned last offseason.

I hate hate hate contracts of this length, no matter the player.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 18, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is that because...

players signed to long term contracts “block” the prospects that you fall in love with? ;-)

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by RdRnnr on Oct 18, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's just a tremendous amount of risk

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

So is not signing long-term deals.

The question is would you rather risk that the players are flukes, or will get injured and thus under-perform their long term deals, or would you rather risk that they will play themselves out of your price range?

There isn’t a clear-cut “right” answer, so I tease Matt that he sees it so clearly because he always wants to see the hot-prospect-of-the-month.

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by RdRnnr on Oct 18, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

5 year deals? Fine. Have at it.

Extending a player to 10 years when you already have him under contract for 3? I still find it incredible.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sure that financially these deals are as big of a risk as you fear

People love Cargo and Tulo and will pay for a seat in the ballpark just to see them. 2011 saw the Rockies lose more games than they have in any year since 2005, and yet, more people came to Coors this season than they have in any other during the last decade. That’s the sway these players have; two playoff contending squads and a World Series appearance did not push this team’s attendance totals as high as fans knowing that both Tulo and Cargo would call Coors home for at least the better part of the next 10 years. Regardless of what happens on the field, and I’m still betting it will be pretty good, the amount of people these two will lure through the gate during their time here minimizes a good chunk of the risks involved with these contracts.

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 18, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty confident

that when all is said and done, Tulo will have provided value equivalent (or close to) that of the contract. However, I’m not entirely confident that the last few seasons will be pretty.

I just hope he doesn’t go all Eric Chavez on us.

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would agree with this

By the time Tulo gets to the second half of the contract extension, it’s very likely that he’ll be providing the Rockies surplus value. Once he gets in that neighborhood, the “risk” part of of his deal is pretty much gone as they can take the money they have earned back and spend it on other players.

With that said, the amount of surplus he will provide is somewhat of a question mark right now. A player who just celebrated his 27th birthday last week should not be having the amount of injury problems Tulo has had. None in particular raise a red flag by themself, as the biggest concern on the list (the quad tear from 08) has not reoccured on that level, but the sheer number of little problems can’t be ignored anymore, and if these things keep popping up on a more frequent basis as he heads towards, and gets past 30, then this has trouble written all over it.

Knowing Tulo, he’s going to do everything humanly possible to prevent this from happening through offseason workouts and in season routines designed to combat injury, but unfortunately it’s still possible that he has a body that is not genetically engineered to withstand the rigors of a 162 game season year after year – Which would SUCK!!! We just have to hope that these are things that can be fought off through hard work and commitment because if they can, we have nothing to worry about.

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 18, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

One thing Carlos could do to protect his wrists

is to convert to feet-frist sliding on the base paths. He’s been somewhat unlucky in his collisions with OF walls, where you wouldn’t really expect to injure a wrist. But on the base paths, your wrists are exposed to jams and strains during almost every head-first slide.

I was a head-first guy when I played baseball, but that was partly because I had arthritic knees and it was hard for me to get into proper position for a feet-first slide. If I would have been prone to wrist injuries, I would have converted to feet-first. Carlos could probably do this with little or no impact on his game.

by Northsider1964 on Oct 18, 2011 8:27 AM MDT reply actions  

As one that has had to deal with wrist injuries.

They can be very slow and difficult to heal. I started having problems in my right wrist in March 2008. I finally had to have surgery in October to take care of it. I had the same problem as Tulo. A broken hamate bone. He may not have had any problems with it this year, however, it will resurface in the future. What he should do with it? Have that bone removed. It is hands down the best thing he can do. It is only a 4-6 week recovery. Does it take some time to get the power back? Yes it does. But, with his workout style, it won’t take him long to get it back. Once a wrist is injured, it will never heal the same again. Cargo changing his style isn’t going help his wrist, it will help prolong time until he has to have some type of procedure to fix it internally. I hate saying these things about our 2 favorite players on out team. But, I am looking at it from a perspective that in time, these injuries will catch up and they will both miss time because of it. I waited 7 months to see if the pain will go away and get better, it never did. I took medicine, had cortizone shots, and tried everything but surgery. But, ended up doing it. It was the best thing I could’ve done. I’m not saying they should go jump on a table to get cut open by no means. I’m just saying, it could be their most viable option, there is still plenty of time before ST 2012. Only time, I have any pain in it, as with people get older. It will tell me when the weather is going to get colder. LOL. I know that you all probably disagree with me on what I have said. But, that is ok. Just my opinion. There is no way I want to see these guys miss anytime whatsoever.

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by Roxman4ever on Oct 18, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of injuries

has there been any news about Nicasio lately?

by webgem14 on Oct 18, 2011 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

This is the latest I can find

Basically the same. He’s progressing well, looks very likely to be able to lead a normal life but has a very long road ahead in terms of returning to pitching.

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_18992679

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by RoarFrom112 on Oct 18, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad Aberle didn't write this post.

Tulo and Cargo would have collided in the outfield and spontaneously combusted on Opening Day.

by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 18, 2011 10:54 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

If this happens, you are in big trouble mister

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by SDcat09 on Oct 18, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

don't you mean during spring straining?

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

iswydt

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by SDcat09 on Oct 18, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't they do that last year?

3-way collision with Stewie? It spontaneously combusted Stewie’s season anyway.

Is it 2012 yet?

by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 18, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

There's still time.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

On it. Who should I jinx?

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by Jeff Aberle on Oct 18, 2011 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m irrationally excited.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I basically posted that for your benefit.

If they come close, I’ll be there. They are one of the few groups that I love that played in my lifetime that I have not seen. I suffer from a bit of incredulity though. It’s not 1989 anymore.

It’s funny because jet last year they were all swearing that they would never get together. Money heals all wounds.

by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 18, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

top 3 song, certainly

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

preivew of the new twilight movie?

you sick bastard.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 18, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Checked the Ariz. Fall League games for yesterday

Arenado: 3 for 5 w/ a HR & 3 RBI, raising his AFL avg. to .375 (.381 OBP) in 40 AB’s. Leads the AFL in RBI w/ 15.

Wheeler: 1 for 5, but it was a bases-loaded double, so 3 RBI. .244 avg (.277 OBP) in 45 AB’s, but w/ 10 K’s. Second in AFL in RBI w/ 13.

Do not trade Arenado.
Do not trade Arenado.
Do not trade Arenado.

by maris61 on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

There are only 7 players in the entire league younger than Arenado.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wrote this in my AFL fanpost..

The pitcher Arenado homered off of yestersay hasn’t even given up a hit in the AFL outside of Nolan’s dinger.

He’s a dangerous hitter.

by Charlie77 on Oct 18, 2011 2:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

That strikeout rate

isn’t tooo bad. If Wheeler could do that at the ML level it would be fine. Of course, it’s likely he won’t…

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he keeps up the higher k rate

He kind of seems like he’ll be a Mike Cameron type…

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed

though I think I’d rather try to trade him still…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cameron had a lot value for various teams for his glove too.

 For a lot of years he was the gold standard of center fielders. you had to be exceptional to be better than him defensively. Is wheeler that good?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 18, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

the comparison was more ‘a center fielder, who despite a crap batting avg. can steal some bases, hit with pop, and overall be an asset, but not a total gamechanger’

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

or in other words, a guy who may have more value to us as trade bait rather than as a player

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does he have Cameron level defense?

My impression was that he was a good candidate to move to a corner outfield position.

by RoxnSox09 on Oct 18, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I'm the right guy to answer that or not

But I’ve heard his Defense was good, probably not Dex or Cargo good though, which is why he would have to be moved to a corner. Still an outfield of Cargo, Dex and Wheeler is probably the best in the majors defensively

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by wolf213 on Oct 18, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

considering mike cameron is 16th all time in outfield fielding runs, and 4th among CF,

he probably doesn’t have mike cameron level defense. peter bourjos is probably the only active player who could pull that off

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

arenado must not be traded

while pomeranz is technically still a prospect, he’ll be with the team opening day next year, and arenado becomes the true jewel of our system, at a position we’re absolutely dying for help at.

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

3 for 4 with another HR and 3 more RBI today.

My love for this kid grows by the minute.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

correction: 4 more RBI.

Wow.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I'm going to worry about 2nd base and corner outfield, and stop fretting about 3B.

At least for next year. Then I’ll start fretting about 1B.

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by glaucophane on Oct 18, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Martin

Prado

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by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'm really trying not to fall too head over heels for him

but it’s getting very difficult

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Make that 4 for 5 on the day.

He’s hitting .422 in the AFL. Did I mention there are only six players younger than him in the entire league?

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why don't we have those 6 guys?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Oct 18, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bryce Harper and Mike Trout would be pretty nice…

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

#FireDOD

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

AFL is a AA level correct?

I don’t want to get overly excited about a SSS AFL season, but if he’s hitting like this in Tulsa come June, then 3b isn’t a problem anymore.

Lets get a LF, SP and a 2b, and stick with Stewart for now.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Oct 18, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it’s in a serious offensive environment as well.

He’s doing well, but he’s not going to hit .400 next season.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can hope for the SLG% to skyrocket.

Modesto has a 40 park factor for RH

Tulsa has a 103 park factor for RH

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

shit, Modesto suppresses power that much?

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow

i thought it was a hitter’s park?

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by papality on Oct 18, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

for HR, yeah.

It has a giant outfield wall.

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by Muzia on Oct 19, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

The numbers support this too

70% of Arenado’s HR’s last season came on the road despit his aveage, OBP, K%, and BB%numbers being stable home and away. I look for him to hit 25+ out next season if he plays the year in Tulsa.

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Game over.

He is now hitting .422 with 19 RBI and a 1.048 OPS in 45 AB.

That’s right, an RBI every 2.37 AB.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

O My, be still my heart !


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by butterfly on Oct 18, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

i know RBI is a team stat, not an individual one, but...

damn can he hit in the “clutch”

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

but I think you said too much there:

damn can he hit in the "clutch"

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by jrockies on Oct 18, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

2013 is going to be so much fun

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 18, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree here.

Stewart is just a stopgap for Arenado now.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did someone waive a magic wand over Dotel?

Can anyone explain to me why Octavio Dotel couldn’t pitch for beans when with the Rox, and now that he is with a different team he has become an indispensable reliever, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, etc.?

Didn’t he like Colorado?

by Real Perspective on Oct 18, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I think he was in shock from being traded by the Dodgers

and having to cross dugouts in the same day. Otherwise I got nuthin

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by SDcat09 on Oct 18, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

is trevor story worth this:
Rockies record in the 176 games since the Dotel trade – … 74 – 102 (28 games under .500)

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

depends on who we draft next June?

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

no

must pass judgment nao!

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fine.

Maybe.

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by Muzia on Oct 18, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah he's a good kid

doesn’t go out getting arrested like that schlub we got for ubaldo

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Colorado's record supports this theory

Rockies record in the 176 games before the Dotel trade – … 101 – 75 (26 games over .500)
Rockies record in the 176 games since the Dotel trade – … 74 – 102 (28 games under .500)

There needs to be an investigation.

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 18, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

and world hunger

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just hope it's not a Cubs-level curse.

"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.

by glaucophane on Oct 18, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Allen Craig

is someone we can trade for. He seems like Seth Smith (maybe a bit better) only he’s right-handed and without platoon issues. He also has some experience at 3b, though he’s probably not the best defender there…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought about that for fifteen minutes the other day

Perfect for us….just not sure what sense it makes for them

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 18, 2011 9:21 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

none really

though if they resign Berkman and Pujols, Craig is a total spare part. If only Chris Nelson or whoever had some trade value…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

oOoOoOo

thanks

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 19, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

"In my heart and mind, I know I can hit anybody. I’m always relaxed. It’s hard to explain. It’s like playing with my kids. It feels natural." ~Albert Pujols

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK

by jrockies on Oct 18, 2011 5:37 PM MDT reply actions  

In my heart and mind, I know I can hit […] my kids. It feels natural

HES A MONSTER!!!

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

by Resolution on Oct 18, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

file this under "things that are hilarious and horrible"

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 18, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yay! We get baseball tonight! yippee

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by SDcat09 on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions  

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