Friday Rockpile: Why It's Such A Bummer That Ian Stewart Is Awful
The past 2 days, we've had an ongoing debate over whether Ian Stewart should be the starter at the hot corner, or if he should give way to another player, be that player internal or a trade/free agent. If I had to take a side, I'd probably go with "Start Ian Stewart" - not so much that I'm sold on the bounceback potential, but rather that I trust Stewart's glove. I'm all for having an incredibly strong defensive squad where there is a question on who should play. But I'll go into that on a later date.
Stewart being terrible at 3B is more than just a blow to the Rockies' lineup. Honestly, even if Stewart were up to snuff, it'd be more just consolation that we had some sort of production at 3B better than we did in 2011. No, this dearth of 3B production marks a low point for 3B in Colorado Rockies history.
Since their inception, the Rockies have had strong play from both 3B and RF. Take a look back over the years at Rockies 3B production. 1993 concluded with Charlie Hayes posting a strong .876 OPS. Once Hayes' tenure concluded, Vinny Castilla took the reins, putting up a .892 OPS from 1994-1999. Something about Jeff Cirillo happened over the next few years, and I think somebody mentioned Todd Zeile, and then suddenly Vinny Castilla was back, blasting 35 homers and leading the league in RBI.
After Vinny Castilla headed out again, Garrett Atkins became the man, peaking after 2 years (and a .965 OPS peak from a below-average yet competent 3B is far from a bad peak), but holding the position down long enough for Stewart to arrive.
When Stewart came up, he wore #24. The next season, Stewart changed his number to 9 as a show of admiration to Castilla. It was exciting, knowing there was another strong glove at the hot corner, especially one with the upside that Stewart had.
Alas.
Then again, in a decade, I might be saying "...something about Ian Stewart, and then Nolan Arenado took the job and never looked back." Yeesh, this guy has a lot riding on him now, doesn't he?
Grand Junction gets Rockies minor league team - The Denver Post
In the event you missed it, the Rockies have moved their Rookie-ball Pioneer League Affiliate from Casper, WY to Grand Junction, CO. I kind of feel bad for Casper, as they seemed to want the team back, and even changed the mascot recently. On the other hand, this will put the Rockies closer to their Utah opponents. I don't think there's any way to put a shine on a road trip to Montana.
Could Sox leave the Springs? | End Zone | Colorado Springs Independent
Furthermore, this raises questions about the Rockies AAA Affiliate, the Colorado Springs Sky Sox. Security Service Field, home of the Sox, may just be the most hitter-friendly park in all of North American Professional Baseball, thanks to incredibly high altitude (seriously, baseball at 6500 feet?), high winds, a crappy location (high point of the city), and no humidor. The Rockies plan to put a humidor in Security Service Field, but it might not be a fixture like it is in Coors Field, but rather something they could pack up and leave with should the right opportunity arise.
Rox dissatisfied with Sox? | News
There has been some talk of moving to a new park in Colorado Springs, more in the downtown area, but there's a lot that goes into that kind of a relocation. Were the Rockies to make any demands of the Sky Sox, there's always the question of what the parent club is willing to contribute. I can't imagine the answer would be that impressive.
Rockies increase season ticket prices for first time in four years - The Denver Post
Interested in locking up 81 games all for yourself? Be aware that prices are being increased, anywhere form 3% to 8%, despite Dick Monfort acknowledging that the team failed to meet expectations in this season. I don't know what to make of this, unless the good folks in charge of ticketing realize how slow Colorado crowds are to react, especially when baseball is such a great summer activity.
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If there's anyone upset about the Rockies raising ticket prices next season
Take a look at the prices I’ve paid to see games in the comparable sections at Fenway for a team I don’t even like.
Infield Box:
Coors Field = $38
Fenway Park = $135
X More times expensive at Fenway = 3.55
Midfield Box:
Coors Field = $30
Fenway Park = $130
X More times expensive at Fenway = 4.33
Right Field Box:
Coors Field = $16
Fenway Park = $52
X More times expensive at Fenway = 3.25
Pavilion/Right Field Mezzanine (Coors), Bleachers (Fenway):
Coors Field = $13
Fenway Park = $28
X More times expensive at Fenway = 2.15
Rockpile (Coors), Upper Bleachers (Fenway):
Coors Field = $4
Fenway Park = $12
X More times expensive at Fenway = 3.0
And this doesn’t even include the $30-$40 you’ll be paying for parking if you want to walk less than a mile once you get near the ballpark and the most outrageous food prices you’ve ever seen this side of Yankee stadium.
Coor Field 2012 ticket prices
Fenway ticket prices
It’s funny, I just read a story about how the Rockies are raising ticket prices and yet, I came away amazed at the sweetness of the deal. I just did some math and realized that it would be cheaper for me to fly round trip from Providence to Denver and buy infield box tickets to each game of a three game series than it would for me to drive to Fenway three times and buy infield box tickets there.
That article probably just convinced me to buy thickets!!!
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 9:25 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
because who doesn't love thickets
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
personally I'm a thistle sifter.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Brer Rabbit?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
no Brer Rabbit loved him some thicket
Brer Wolf/Bear/Fox/PedoBear did not so much.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 21, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
And Ian stewart makes his acting debut as the tarbaby...
DOD is certainly stuck with him.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Um, he's a rabbit....
so about as well as any of our other options…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
rally rabbit
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 21, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Brer Rabbit?
Have to ask him?:-P
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Tho we usually want our rabitts hiyying leadoff
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
He'd be an awesome base stealer, that's for sure!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder how much any of this is related
to Fenway having a much smaller capacity than Coors.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
when you’ve got more people, but less room for people, things get expensiver.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
whoa, enough with the fancy talk, Harvard.
I’m just saying things get expensiver when lots of people want them.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think all that much
Although small, they’ve figured out a way to jam 37,000 and change in there a night, which makes being able to charge these prices 81 times a year and still pack the place even more astonishing. (That’s over 3 million people a year paying these prices) And the seats close to the flied that demand you pay the real big bucks are so close together and cramped that I don’t think there’s any way you could possibly squeeze out more of those type sections in a bigger overall ballpark.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Same thing in NY at Yankee Stadium and Madoff Field
I don’t think most people in Denver realize what a good deal Rockies tickets are compared to other teams around the country.
Yankee stadium is the absolute worst
It’s almost like are you agreeing to getting robbed. I just used Fenway because I go there the most.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
For instance
At Yankee Stadium, you can pay $150 for a ticket here.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
how much are the ones right behind home plate?
are they still as ridiculous as when it first opened, or did they back off some?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know exactly how they were when it first opened
but they still seem like you’d need to take out a small loan to afford.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
something like $2500 for opening day.
and some were still over a $500 for other games but they had to back off that because people weren’t buying
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I remember reading that
those seats are often purchased by corporations, and that during the economic downturn, corporations were avoiding those seats because it would look bad if Company X received a government bailout or was just in a dire situation, yet was still bringing people to games at those prices.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Those are $2500 a pop ($5,000 when it first opened)
It’s why when you watch a Yankee game, most of the sections in the stadium are full and yet many of the seats right around home plate and behind the dugouts are empty, apparently bought by people who have so much money they have season tickets but don’t even go to all the games.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Oops I'm sorry
Those numbers are for two tickets each. I’m just thinking that not many people go to the games by themselves – although here they may have to.
So $1,250 is closer now and $2,500 when it first opened. (You can call the leaches at 212-YANKEES for more information)
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Living in NY
I fully realize it, and am secretly bitter about it.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well.
My section is almost the same. If they only raise the mini-plans at the same rate, I’m good.
It’s all about me, y’know.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 21, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to
the sky sox moving from their insanely high location, but I’d be against our AAA team moving to sea-level (or near sea-level). I think keeping the AAA squad at altitude + a humidor is an important step for the organization.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It's too bad Albuquerque is home to the Dodgers' AAA team.
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by glaucophane on Oct 21, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
HOw about Moving the Sky sox to Moab?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I hear Casper has an opening...
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
As per MLBTraderumors
The Rockies, who inquired on Wright this summer, will call if the Mets are willing to listen, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post (all Twitter links). The Rockies wouldn’t move Dexter Fowler or be willing to trade multiple prospects for one year of Wright, so Renck suggests the Rockies will want to extend Wright if they acquire him.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Acquire Wright and extend him?
And what happens to Arenado in that scenario?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Either traded or moved to 1b
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Arenado simmers in the minors for like a year
and Wright moves to first eventually would be my guess. I don’t know how keen I am on extending him – he’ll be 29 next season.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Or we'll just try to force Arenado into the outfield like every team does
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
we just extended DLR at age 29
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 21, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
True but
1. I usually feel like pitchers age a little more gracefully than hitters and 2. It remains to be seen Wright would go for such a contract. That being said, I’d be okay with him playing for us from his age 29-32 seasons (which would also encompass the bulk of our Tulo/Cargo time as well. A lineup of him, Tulo, Cargo, and Arenado plus Fowler looks like it could be pretty damn good.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Those back issues make me very wary of extending him
in fact, it cools me quite a bit on the idea of even acquiring him….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought he was older. 29 is still pretty young
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SD would probably want a pitcher and a middle infield prospect For Headley ....
They are also short at catcher. They have close pitching but no TOR’s. Bettis and Swanner / or Bettis and Rutledge? Ask for a middle rotation innings eater that’s close as part of the deal for cash?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
They got a better prospect for two months of Beltran this offseason, those deals aren’t going to work.
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this trading deadline*
yeesh
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That was SF not SD
Totally different mindset.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I think he meant for Headley, not Wright
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 1:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also regarding Wright
this was linked via comment in yesterday’s rockpile, but at Amazin Avenue, they attempted to analyze the effects of their new hitting coach. Based on their analyses, it seems like not only did the team benefit from this guy, but that Wright was among the biggest beneficiaries.
Makes me more optimistic that the Wright we would acquire would be the Wright who was a good contact hitter and not the one who struck out in 28% of at-bats.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yeah I ask for a comparison article for Lansford.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Hmmm....
Dex, Helton, CarGo, Tulo, Wright……
GIMME GIMME GIMME..
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 21, 2011 11:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve been the biggest anti-Wright person on here, but if we extend him…?
I could do that.
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It certainly depends on what the Mets want from us
and I don’t think I’d give up Rosario, let alone Arenado or Pomeranz, but we’ll see. Also, while his back issues are a concern, I get the impression that a stress fracture on a vertebrae is more flukey than anything…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That does make it 10X more appealing to me
But there’s a part of me that still believes we’ll be paying him for what he’s done in the past more than for the value he’ll provide us going forward. He’s a weird player who may already never be able to be as productive as he once was again.
I wouldn’t HATE it if it’s an appropriate deal though.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I can't see us extending him at 15m per
But I would be okay with 3/30 or 4/40, something like that. He makes for a better version of Rox Girl’s Cuddyer Plan™, doesn’t block Arenado, and becomes Helton’s immediate successor.
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He makes for a better version of Rox Girl’s Cuddyer Plan
So you want to pay him $10 million per to sit on the bench most of the time?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
The issue is I can't see Wright going for something like that
Somebody will pay him more in the open market.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
we pay the 15mil next year, then a 3/38 contract? I would still do that.
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Can we just pay a hypnotherapist to convince Wright he's still in arbitration?
Then we can sign him to a really friendly deal!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ayo
what do you think a good trade package would be for Wright?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I’m thinking a couple top 10 Purps and another high upside guy could do it.
Bettis, Wheeler, and someone like Campos?
They are really going after young arms to supplement Mejias, Wheeler, and Harvey
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(this is if they are really wanting to move him. The price would be higher if we were the ones making the push)
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I'd be down for that
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Not a bad deal at all.
Though I’d hate to give up bettis.
Convince the Mets to take Cabrera (OMG KKKKKKKKKzzzzzz), Wheeler andd say Friedrich. I doubt they’d bite, I just wouldn’t wanna give up Bettis yet
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 1:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I bet Wright would make us include the 16 mil option as part of the extension
so are you thinking 2013: 16, 2014: 11 2015: 11? I don’t know if he does that. He might do: pickup the 2013 option at 16 and then add on the 3/38 after that
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m really trying to figure out what is acceptable to me, which is probably the wrong way of looking at things. I just don’t see Wright coming to Denver.
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Yeah I dont really see it happening either
I think he would rather test the free agent market especially if Ramirez gets a boatload this offseason.
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
It'd certainly aid to dispel the notion
the fanbase has of the FO about not acquiring big name players or not making moves. DOD may be more motivated to make such a move since his job doesn’t seem 100% secure…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think that we don't make a move unless we can get a negotiating window to work out an extension
and I don’t think Wright will want to work out an extension without testing the FA market or us doing like the Braves did with Uggla which I thought was an overpay even before this season and I was one of the biggest Lets Get Uggla guys around here
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm skeptical too
I guess the one difference would be that Uggla was coming off a career-best, awesome season, and Wright is coming off a disappointing season, preceded by inconsistent/poor seasons. It works in our favor, but it may not matter ultimately…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Wright is unlikely to lock into anything with us
given that he’ll be coming from Chase to Coors and likely to see a pretty significant rise in his stats, all things being equal. Why would he not wait to take advantage of that? His agent would be nuts to let him extend with us for anything short of a major extension.
Chase field? ;P
I don’t think his stats would increase by too much if that were the case! Lol
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 1:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha.
yep. Blanking entirly on Mets Stadium. And I always forget that Chase is AZ’s…I lived in AZ when the team started and stadium was built and, as I’m sure you know, everyone called it “The Bob” forever. Still think of it that way, even if somehow I managed to never go to a game there.
Heh. Tweet from Ian Stewart
what a slug
I
AN_STEWART_9 Ian Stewart
by TroyRenck
Up and at em…headin to the gym. Let’s go
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up and atom
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I just think it's funny because the other day
after he tweeted vacation pictures from Hawaii, there was some discussion that Ian’s wasn’t going to change his spots or work hard in the offseason :)
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But did he remember to slop his pigs before he left for the gym?
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Look those hog sloppin' days are long past.
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Up and let's go....
/Am I doin it right?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 21, 2011 11:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't mean anything....
I go to the gym to buy smoothies :P
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 21, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Sky Sox
For years I’ve been telling anyone who would listen that the Sky Sox need to 1.) Install a humidor and 2.)Move the stadium to downtown Colorado Springs.
Obviously the location sucks because of the wind, but it also suck because it is in the most boring, bland part of town. There is nothing to do before or after a game unless you like crappy chain restaurants or suburbs. Part of the reason going to Rockies games is so great, is because LoDo is awesome. Why can’t the Sky Sox attempt to replicate that experience on a smaller scale?
Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?
One OK field in Tulsa isn’t quite right downtown, but it’s an easy walk and there are a number of places to stop in for a drink or a bite along the way. I didn’t go to the far side of the park from downtown but it looked like that is the side that led to suburbia and beyond. close to a highway for access. Security Service is just sort of out there. And getting in/out for parking is a hassle.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Thurman Field in Modesto is in the middle of a golf course. Literally.
Asheville is great though, less than a five minute walk from downtown.
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that's one heck of a hazard
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I dunno. I think a 9 iron would work just fine
although you might need a sand wedge if you end up on the pitching mound
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That's really very funny re Modesto
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yeah, they share parking with a basketball court, batting cages, golf course…
It’s an outdoor family fun center of sorts.
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Suplizio Field is right next to a golf course
A really well hit foul ball to left can land on the 6th green. Which is more than I can say for virtually any of my shots on that hole…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
A crushed home run to left can land on the 7th fairway.
i always struggled with my t shot there, and played there last memorial day when juco started. i noticed people in the stands watching me. i luckily caught it well enough to be just left of the green.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but luckily it's a par 3
so once you get off the tee box you’re pretty safe if you just book it up the fairway. This assumes that you get your tee shot to the green, which is a poor assumption in my case. I also like to blame that on the people watching me from the stands, even though I pretty much never play when there’s a game going on.
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
They are always watching.
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The cost. Poor Planning.
The land was super cheap. Suburban sprawl took over as in almost every city in Colo. Contractors didn’t plan for the traffic patterns. Initially it was intended to be more family oriented, and did not consider the after game entertainment.
The complaints are valid, but it’s like hating a chevy for not being a BMW. The Rockies need to fork over big bucks for humidor, new location or severe ties with Sky Sox.
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Oh Good...another thread to bash colo.spgs./sky sox. :(
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
The complaints are valid, though.
Why should we not?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 21, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
What's the purpose of having a AAA team that....
…we’re afraid to send our best young sepulchers to? Constantly yanking guys out of AA and into the bigs isn’t a useful long term strategy.
Sepulcher? That's a new positon.
“Pitchers”, of course.
Now I have to look for a metal band named "Sepulcher"
Don’t disappoint me, world.
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That's exactly what I thought when I saw how it got posted.
ON YOUR KNEES MORTALS – ALL HAIL THE GODS OF METAL….
SEPULCHER!!!!!!!
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If they aren't on the archive, they don't count
and this sounds like it was recorded in Metal Fruity Loops
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So, then, don't view this as diappointment...
view it as opportunity.
Your next band name has just been handed to you.
but I already have “Modern Infantry”
:(
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Ithought you were going to name your band Tulo and the spare parts! :-)
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Just so long as the prosects don't get entombed! :-P
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I'm pretty sure Sepulcher is the nickname...
…for the Marlins stadium.
it isn't even baseball!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 21, 2011 11:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sky Sox:baseball as Arena Football:NFL
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Sad but true
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You know who never goes to a game there?
Any of our good young pitching prospects.
I agree, I believe that is why we send them to Tulsa and
are using the springs more as a rehab stint.
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Which, as I say above , is a problem.
We have to find a way for guys who aren’t quite ML ready to face a better caliber of hitter than AA provides. Right now, we’re really can’t.
I TOTALLY agree
That’s why I think it is up to the Rockies to make the major changes necessary or severe ties with the Sky Sox.
But to continually blame the Sky Sox for not being that place is talking in circles .
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Right, and I don't think the criticism should be targeted at CoSpgs as a city...
of the SkySox as a franchise. It’s totally on the Rockies for allowing it to continue. I don’t care if they keep it in CoSpgs with adjustments to fix the issues or move it elsewhere (Northern Colorado FTW!), but just fix it.
You brought tears to my eyes for not blaming C.Spgs.
Last time, Mondo called it a garbage dump, others had similar opinions.
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
I've always enjoyed going to games there
It’s an OK ballpark. If it wasn’t on a windy bluff, it wouldn’t even be an issue, really.
And until they put in a humidor I think it's the best plan we have right now.
Keep them in Tulsa.
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No. But that's not the analogy I think dawnmarie was going for
Arena football scores 800 points in a game, SkySox score 80 runs in a game.
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I mean to say I think the analogy dawnmarie was going f
for was the high scoring.
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sorry, didn't catch that
I took it to mean that Sky Sox was crap just like a lot of people think arena football was.
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
I didn't think it was.
Not total crap, anyway. The games were fun to go to but I never watched them on tv or even really followed the league that much.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I would watch the playoff games
I think they showed them on VS or some other random channel. I thought it was a hoot.
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Yeah, didn't the Crush win the Arena Super Bowl or something?
And they had ads with Bon Jovi and John Elway playing football in the living room. Fun all around.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
They had a couple games
on FSNNW? against the Beavers that would be shown on FSNRM on Rockies days off. Kind of interesting to see.
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Also arena football is fun to watch.
It’s crazy and wild and high scoring
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I know. I kinda miss the Crush. Those games were fun
and you got a lot of opportunities to catch footballs!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I watched a few games on TV but never saw one live.
Seems like a good time is had by all.
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Sort of like the Mammoth games now.
But without the gross half-time wing-eating contests and tacky hot tub full of ‘cheerleaders’.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
There's a hot tub with cheerleaders at mammoth game?
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 21, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I wouldn't exactly call them cheerleads.
They don’t lead cheers. All they do is prance around a little before the game then go sit in the hot tub.
Is it 2012 yet?
Are we maybe, just maybe,
just a teeny, tiny bit overplaying the Arenado thing around here? We’re talking about a 20 year old guy who’s never played above A ball. Making future plans based on him could be a tad risky, yes?
Yeah, maybe a little bit
but he’s as close to a sure thing position prospect as we’ve had in a loooooong time. All his peripherals suggest a successful, above average major leaguer.
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I hope so, but....
I’ve seen enough great prospects get dragged down by the differences between AAA and Big League pitching, let alone the diff. between the Cal. League and the Show. Let’s see the guy face an exploding slider or two before we pencil him in at the corner for the next decade.
Not a knock or anything — just a word of caution.
Points in his favor:
Ridiculously good plate coverage
very good strikeout rates
god-like strike zone awareness (he never strikes out looking. Ever)
age
he adjusts quickly to higher levels
workout demon
The organization is banking a lot in his development, and I think they are 100% right in doing so. He’s going to be the third centerpiece of this organization when Helton retires.
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I hear you, and I'm excited by the guy too.
I’m just being the buzzkill guy who’s here to remind everyone that a lot of guys who had similar things about said about them in A ball are now selling insurance or suiting up in the Northern League. I’m excited to see the guy take on AA and then the Springs. And then we’ll see what happens when ML pitchers find his weak spot and he has to adjust.
Nothing specific to Arenado in this — it’s the same criteria I lay down for any young hitter, no matter his pedigree.
Fair enough — though he displays a very advanced approach for his age and is tearing up AA pitching right now. I know we aren’t supposed to fall in love, but I’ve been preaching the Arenado Gospel since last fall. I’m head over heels for this guy.
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Believe me, I'm ready to drink the Kool Aid.
My primary point, though, is that we can’t turn down opportunities to improve now at 3B because of his future arrival.
Moot point, though, as there isn’t much in the way of such opportunity to be had.
if we can extend David Wright, #tradeforWright
if that Michael Young deal is somehow back on the table, throw a top guy in there and make it happen.
It’s just such a crappy market for 3B
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It's possible but he's the best position player we've had come through the system sice Tulo
So there’s plenty of reason to get excited.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Siince you guys know prospects a lot better than I do, What makes Arenado a better prospect than Ian Stewart was at that time?
I will preface this by saying I haven’t seen Arenado play like Muzia has so his response will be pretty interesting and I also didn’t follow prospects at all back when Stewart was in the low minors. Just looking at their Baseball Reference minor league pages (I went to fangraphs first but they didnt have Stewart’s stats below AA) it looks like Stewart was the better hitter through A+
Arenado:
Casper: .300/.351/.404/.755 225 PA 2 HR 16 BB (7 BB%) 18 K (8 K%)
Ashville: .308/.338/.520/.858 400 PA 12 HR 19 BB (4.75 BB%) 52 K (13 K%)
Modesto: .298/.349/.487.836 583 PA 20 HR 47 BB (8.1 BB%) 53 K (9 K%)
Stewart
Casper: .317/.401/.558/.959 257 PA 10 HR 29 BB (11 BB%) 54 K (21 K%)
Ashville: .319/.398/.594/.992 581 PA 30 HR 66 BB (11.4%) 112 K (19.2 K%)
Modesto: .274/.353/.497/.849 499 PA 17 HR 52 BB (10.4 BB%) 113 K (22.6 K%)
They were the exact same ages at each level. Going off the rate stats it looks like Stewart was a better hitter at each level. However it does appear that Arenado is much more disciplined than Stewart with far less strikeouts.
Is that discipline what makes Arenado a better prospect than Stewart was at the time? Wasn’t Stewart rated in the top 10 in all of baseball at one point by Baseball America?
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of this does point out the shortcomings of basing things just on stats for younger hitters....
and, to Muzia’s credit, he’s giving us some of the intangibles about Arenado that are important to know. It’s been said many times, but the ability to adjust to failing 7 or more times out of 10 is what separates ML hitters from wannabes. You can never know that about a guy until he stands in against a guy throwing a 99 MH heater with late movement, while experiencing an 0 for 12 slump.
If Anrenado has that ability, then hell yeah – bring him on.
Thats why I enjoy Muzia and DavidOhNos perspectives on prospects
All I can really do is look at the stats which on Baseball Reference just show the topline stuff. Whereas they have seen them play and react to certain situations
My point was that Stewart was a very highly regarded prospect. I was just wondering if Arenado is indeed more highly regarded
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Stewart was a turbo-elite prospect
that just hasn’t panned out. I don’t think the relative comparison reflects much on Arenado one way or another. Arenado might fail just as miserably, but they won’t be connected (unless, of course, Stewart is suffering from some defect brought on by a major failing in our organizational development, but even then it is probably different).
I understand the desire to compare the two, but the basic scary issue is the reason why there are not many elite 3b in baseball right now: a huge amount of flameouts lately from major prospects. Stew, Wood, McPherson, Alvarez, LaRoche, Vitters, Gamel, Wallace, Dominguez, etc… Not surprising of course, and these old “top prospect lists” are filled with guys I’ve never even heard of. The bottom line is that we obviously have to hope/expect/count on Arenado to be a star, but like everything in this game, its no guarantee.
Interestingly (to me, anyway), while doing some quick research for this post, I came across a “top 10 3b prospects” post from Project Prospect (no idea if this is a reputable site) in 2008 that didn’t list Stewart, explaining:
“Remember when Ian Stewart (COL, 4/5/85, ETA: 2008) exploded onto the scene with a 30 home run season in Low-A four years ago? Now raise your hand if you’re aware that Ashville – his home park that season – is one of the most home-run friendly environments in the minor leagues. It interests us that Stewart is still held in such high regard by some after failing to replicate his Ashville and California League success in the upper minors. We see his upside as only a potential average regular and aren’t confident in his odds of becoming even that type of player.”
Project Prospect is the site that had the Matzek videos from Spring Training
they’re legit.
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Those K numbers with his power potential at a premium position make him a very good prospect.
Here’s the video I shot of Arenado this May.
Pay close attention to how reacts as each pitch is thrown. He intentionally swings to make contact, he shows impeccable pitch recognition, and he protects the strike zone. Great bat control and strike zone awareness.
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Here’s the STS video from him in Asheville.
There’s only one overswing in the entire video, the rest show an emphasis on making contact and putting the ball in play.
I would mention that there is a slightly different approach between the two videos. He’s much more confident in his swing during my Modesto video, suggesting he’s becoming more familiar with the pitches he sees and can pull the trigger faster. I really think he’s going to crush at Tulsa, and in a big way.
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I really do enjoy your breakdowns of the videos because when I watch them I have no idea what I am looking for
I was not blessed with a scouts eye
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm still figuring things out myself :)
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Cool vid.
I like that he can generate power from the wide stance with only a small step. That speaks well to remaining a high contact guy in the lineup. My favorite swing was a Heltonesque plate protection foul ball. Damn, that’s becoming a lost art (as anyone who watched any Rockies game this past season can attest to).
and that's the single biggest reason why I'm excited for him.
He should wind up with good power, but a great contact tool. Aside from Helton in his prime, we haven’t really had a middle of the lineup bat that profiles like that. Maybe Holliday or Atkins.
Oh, and he’s right handed.
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hah, that is one of my favorite things about Arenado
Hes Right Handed!!
by purplesocks on Oct 21, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Muzia probably already gave the best reasons above in Arenado's favor
Ridiculously good plate coverage
very good strikeout rates
god-like strike zone awareness (he never strikes out looking. Ever)
age
he adjusts quickly to higher levels
workout demon
He’s going to be able to give you better analysis than I can here as he was the first one on the Arenado train and has seen him in person whereas I’ve only combed over videos, but I’ll give you my $0.02 anyway.
From what I’ve looked at, I can make two very true statements about what makes Arenado’s game so drool worthy….
1)
“He’s VERY talented.”
There’s ability there you can’t teach, and he has tools that will make MLB pitchers cringe.
2)
"He’s a true “hitter”."
What I mean by this is that he goes to the plate with a plan, knows how to exucute it, can force the pitcher to cave and give him his pitch, and make contact (probably solid contact too) whether it’s for power or not. (With Arenado Contact >>>>> Power – and that’s a good thing as contact hitters can still develop power later)
As you advance towards MLB, you need both of these traits to be an above average player. (Jonathan Herrera for instance would be a good example of a guy who could really excell at statement #2 if he just had more of statement #1.) However, you can get by if you only posses statement #1 at lower levels, and when you have off the charts talent of Ian Stewart, you can thrive there, hence the .959 OPS at Casper and the .992 OPS at Ashville.
But all minor league stats are not created the same. Stewart got his numbers because he was a talented monster who could bash balls to the moon. He’s a guy who’s ceiling was MLB MVP if he adjusted and became a “true hitter”, and whose floor was total flameout if he didn’t. Arenado on the other hand doesn’t quite have the same level of freakish talent that Stewart does (and that’s not a knock because almost nobody does), but he posses more of statement #2 in his pinky than Stewart does in his entire body, and when you get to the big show, you only get the most out of your talent if you learn how to become a hitter instead of a basher. Stewart hasn’t done that yet and the last few grains of sand are are falling from the hour glass.
Kowing this about these players, take a look at what happens are they advance towards higher levels. Stewart’s OPS drops from .992 at Ashville, to .849 at Modesto, to .803 at Tulsa, and it of course has gotten worse in MLB as the best pitchers on the planet have made the proper adjustment and now know what to do with this one trick pony. Notice Stewart’s K rate as well. He never addressed it in the minors when it was around 20% and now he’s got a 28% K rate in the majors. That’s a big reason he’s an all or nothing hitter.
If you look at Arenado, the story is not the same (although I admit we don’t know how it’s going to end yet). If anything, he’s gotten stronger as he’s progressed through the system, and shows no signs of stopping anytime soon. I believe the reason for this is statement #2.
You raise a good point in that their numbers look similar, but I’m pretty confident that they arrived at those destinations by taking different paths, and the one Arenado took is going to make him stronger when it really counts.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Don’t forget that Tulo took Arenado under his wing last winter and bestowed magic powers on him.
Big negative for me, but huge positive for you.
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I actually think it may have gone the other way
After the time he spent with Nolan, Tulo’s combined K rate dropped to an Arenado esque 8.6% for April, May, and June, but then the magic powers wore off and it went back up near 20% from July on.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but most of them were fliners.
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Stewart preceded Tulo as a prospect chronologically, so he doesn't figure in "best prospect since Tulo"
Stewart was #4 in overall Baseball Rankings, which illuminates a flaw in their system as much as anything. Stewart mauled Low-A pitching in an extreme hitter’s park but hadn’t shown the ability (or need) to adjust and hit good pitches. That is a huge different between Stewart and Arenado. While Stewart has tremendous strength, Arenado has hitting approach ability that suggests those hurdles between levels are not too high for him. At all three levels so far, he has struggled initially, adjusted, then took off
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 21, 2011 2:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Want to see Arenado at Coors this coming year.
Puleeeeze — no more Stewart!
by Real Perspective on Oct 21, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a fun read:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/05top10s/rockies.html
Tracy Ringolsby’s Top 10 Rockies prospects for 2006
After the top 10 (guess who’s #1!), he lists this:
Best Hitter for Average Ian Stewart
Best Power Hitter Ian Stewart
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Chris Iannetta
Fastest Baserunner Corey Wimberly
Best Athlete Chris Nelson
Best Fastball Juan Morillo
Best Curveball Ubaldo Jimenez
Best Slider Steven Register
Best Changeup Mike Esposito
Best Control Jon Asahina
Best Defensive Catcher Chris Iannetta
Best Defensive Infielder Troy Tulowitzki
Best Infield Arm Troy Tulowitzki
Best Defensive Outfielder Jeff Salazar
Best Outfield Arm Dexter Fowler
Which raises the question: who’s Jon Asahina?
One point to take from this....
kinda related to my above wet-blanketing concerning any phenom (Arenado or otherwise) is that Ringolsby rated Stewart above Tulo in hitting for average and power.
That’s saying something – and reminds us all exactly how heralded Stewart really was. So we should be especially circumspect about getting too pumped up over a young guy who’s coming along to replace yet another (possible soon to be) failed phenom.
Major league baseball is hard. :) You can never assume anything about anyone until they do it at that level.
And with that, I conclude my Nolan Arenado buzzkill session. From here on out, I’m riding the kid’s bandwagon all the way to Coors.
Stewart still has the best power on the 25 man roster. He just forgot how to use it
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How I swing bat?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
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I'm pressing "X" "0"
but nothing’s happening!!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Turn off the analog swing!
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 21, 2011 1:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Any pitcher who throws the ball into the pre-determined path of Stewart’s bat, is flirting with some serious damage.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 21, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Interview with Christian Friedrich
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ugh.
Good questions asked. He sounds motivated, but we’ll see
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 1:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
great interview
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I am a fan of his now
Anyone who says NO BEATLES on their IPOD I am a fan of!
by Utah Rockies Fan on Oct 21, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh-oh, he spends his nights playing video games
Cue the Ian Stewart comparisons!
I do!
But to be fair, it’s generally only because I really like bacon…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link
great interview
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O/T: which active players are going to get a statue from their current team when they retire?
Pujols, Jeter, Rivera, Helton
Would that be it right now?
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they'd have to sign pujols first.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Ichiro?
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Statue or monument?
Do you mean something like a statue of Helton sort of genuflecting and raising his arms up after winning the NLCS?
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Jeter & Rivera have both....
…already established all-time careers. If either were to walk away today, they’d go down among the best who ever played at their positions (or, in Rivera’s case, the best). They’re automatics for Monument Park.
Pujols will get his statue right next to Stan The Man’s in St. Louis when all is said and done (injuries and leaving for another team in FA notwithstanding)
Helton is the greatest Rockie ever, but he’s not in the class of the other 3. No knock on him. Very few are or will be.
This is all fair.
But Helton will get memorialized for what he has represented for THIS franchise at this point in our team “history”
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Yes he will, and he should.
see my post below as I wonder exactly how he should be honored….
Ouch. Rough start for Matt Purke
#Nationals LHP Matt Purke gets pulled after 0.1 IP in his first pro start … 7 ER, 5 H, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 23 pitches (10 strikes)
Gotta wonder if he’s actually healthy…
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And for those wondering
That’s good for a 189.00 ERA
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 21, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I know it’s only one outing, but there’s a reason you don’t sign damaged goods to a major league contract straight out of the draft.
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7 runs on 23 pitches?
That’s mind bottling…
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Matt
Why did Purke go so low in the draft? The year before he was lights out… Amazing. But 3rd round draft pick a year later? what happened?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
serious shoulder injury before the draft, and no one knew if he would recover.
Nats took his upside in the third round, gave him tons of money and a major league contract. Big risk.
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wow major league contract for a guy with a bum shoulder?
Very risky.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
if he was healthy, he would have been a guaranteed top 5 pick.
Funny thing is, Rendon had similar health concerns that knocked him from the first overall spot. The Nationals drafted him, too, and handed out another big league deal.
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Tracy Ringolsby doesn't believe Rosario will be in the majors until late in the year
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Tracy?
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 21, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
In April, Tom Verducci interviewed Apodaca on pitching at Coors
one of the points Apodaca made was this:
3. Cultivate two different breaking balls: one home, one away. Apodaca said altitude so diminishes the movement on breaking balls that his pitchers have to recalculate their aim every time they switch from home to road. Breaking balls on the road have a much bigger bite than breaking balls at home, so the pitcher must have two different aiming points to have a breaking ball wind up in the same place.
This makes me question the data of that A’s blog study somewhat, but much moreso, makes me wonder if Apodaca is aware of the possibility that fastballs might be affected more…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This is one of the reasons
I would like to see Rockies’ pitchers use high heat as an out pitch more often that they do – fewer opportunities to hang a slider thigh-high.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Except we have reason to believe that fastballs are affected more than breaking balls at Coors
Again, unless this study was wrong, the idea that Apodaca highlights breaking balls with no mention of fastballs is somewhat disconcerting to me.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Oh I think fastballs are affected at Coors
Less late movement, and all that. But if you climb the ladder effectively and with authority, you don’t need late movement. You’re basically enticing a guy to chase a pitch that he probably can’t put into play, and the worst that usually happens is that he recognizes and takes it for a ball.
Not saying a high fastball is the answer every time you get a hitter into a 1-2 count, but it needs to be used more than the Rockies do it. I think they just get it pounded into their head to keep the ball down, down, down – and they lose what can be an effective out pitch.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 22, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Forget Rockies pitchers
I want to see all pitchers use it as an out pitch more. It’s a lot of fun to see and can really throw a guy off if placed correctly.
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fewer curveballs at home, more sliders.
and vice versa.
I’d have to think this is affecting Jason Hammel. he had great home numbers in 2010 (IIRC, throwing more curveballs), and a really bad year at home in 2011 (didn’t throw that many curveballs).
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
and I say Hammel because his best pitch is his curve.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
oh NY Post headlines, never change:
Don’t click this if you don’t want to see a dead Ghadhafi
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 21, 2011 2:58 PM MDT reply actions
Lucky thing that Yankee fan had some time on his hands this fall...
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow.
That headline kinda makes me think some guy went berserk after the Yankees got knocked out of the playoffs and blamed it on Ghadhafi or something.
Is it 2012 yet?
Wow - they can work in a shot at A-Rod in a "Khadfi is dead" piece
Those guys are geniuses
But could they churn out 3 straight Rockpiles about a 3B who can't hit .100?
THOSE are the true geniuses….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
are you sure?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I"m really sure
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really, really sure?
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by Junction Rox on Oct 21, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm really, really sure
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So, what's the best way for a team to honor all time greats?
The discussion above about who gets statues got me thinking: The Rox will soon start having retired numbers (apart, of course from Jackie RObinson and Daryl Kile). Helton will be the first.
What’s the best way to display retired numbers in a ball park? Some options:
- Simple (like they have now) – a baseball with the number inserted in the middle painted on an outfield wall
- 3 dimensional – a statue, a monument
- Paintings or larger displays on outfield walls or interior signage (think: Broncos Ring of Honor or the player paintings on the walls of Dodger Stadium)
- Hockey style — get giant jerseys and hang them from the rafters
- Something else?
For me, I kinda like the giant jerseys. I generally appreciate that the Rox try to keep things low-key at Coors, but I do think they can be a little more dramatic every so often. For example, I was greatly disappointed with the scrawny little representation of the 2007 NL pennant we got. I wanted to see a massive banner unfurled from a flag pole, not a dainty little decal.
Just don't let the guy who designed the Marlins' new sculpture design it.
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Oct 21, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like how they have them now on the outfield walls
however i think it would be a little cooler to have a them in the shape of a jersey on the wall rather than just the baseball with the number.
i also agree with you on the pennant. i wish it was an actual flag and with where they put it, theres no room around it to put more.
this this this this this
I hate that stupid looking flag.
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Couldn't agree more
I was there when they “unveiled” it and my first thought was “you have to be kidding me”.
The most annoying part is that THEY ACTUALLY RAISED A REAL FLAG ON THE NIGHT THEY WON THE PENNANT in the actual flag park. Then at some point in the offseason must have decided the stupid thing on the scoreboard would be better and took it down.
On the “how to honor” guys with retired numbers though, a number on the outfield wall is plenty classy. But I’d also like to see a statue (either the player himself or a number or a baseball with a number on it would do) in the area outside the park in front of the main entrance where “the player” statue is now. The existing statue has always seemed like a placeholder to me until the club could develop its own history.
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I just assumed that the illustrated flag was just temporary
and that a real flag would be put up at some point in the future. 5 years later nothing. It just looks so tacky.
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I get how you don't want to get too showy with...
a Wild Card flag (if there is, indeed, such a thing). But jeez, they won the NL Championship and they should’ve gone big with it.
In fact, I say you DO hire the guy who did the Marlins thing to design your NLCS flag. With big neon dolphins and sparklers too.
We earned that sucker!
This is what I'm saying.
It was a NL championship. I don’t give a hoot that we got there via the wild card. It’s an NL Freaking Pennant! Fly it high and proud and big as possible. Seriously. We’re not the Yankees with 5,000 pennants. We have one dammit. And I want to see that thing flying in the breeze every damn game!
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The Player statue in front of Coors
will one day be replaced with another other based on this:

Even if I have to raise the damn money for it myself. Even if we win the Series while Todd’s still a Rockie, I can’t foresee a more iconic image emerging. (But I’d be perfectly happy to be proven wrong.)
I miss the magic. (h/t papality)
by rockhead on Oct 21, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
that pic still gives me goosebumps, I swear.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously
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When he retires, I'm going to cry.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 21, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I sincerely hope this picture turns green every time it gets posted on here.
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crappy edited image upcoming:

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 21, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
That could actually work
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Herwith, please find my prototype for the new outfield installation....
…celebrating the 2007 NL Championship:

You still have that
ugly not-pennant. I disapprove.
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"It’s pretty crazy, really, everything happening so quick. You just don’t think about it while it’s happening. It’s just God blessing me with the gift of staying healthy." ~Albert Pujols
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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