Saturday Rockpile: David Wright Rumors Heat Up as Nolan Arenado Continues to Destroy the Arizona Fall League
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 22, 2011 10:01 AM MDT
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PrintYou guys are probably sick of us continually writing about the Rockies third base situation, whether it's Ian Stewart, Ty Wigginton, or otherwise. However, it's also the Rockies' biggest offseason need and the one they've been the most open about wanting to fill, so we go where the story is. In today's case, the David Wright rumors are beginning to heat up, as the Mets have claimed to be open-minded when it comes to potential deals for their All-Star third sacker. If the Rockies do indeed have as much interest in Wright as has been reported, they'll need to take a careful look at what type of player he is heading into 2012 and beyond. In addition to that, whether or not they'll be able to extend his contract will have a lot to do with what they end up offering to the Mets in return. The Rockies have a lot of solid young pieces that could be moved for Wright without too much organizational consequence, and selling high on players such as Tim Wheeler and Edwar Cabrera would fit the bill nicely. Will the Mets bite? At any rate, things could get quitefun over the next few weeks.
Major League Baseball | Winter Leagues | Arizona Fall League | MLB.com: Events
The Arizona Fall League continues to roll along, with Rockies players still receiving good chunks of playing time. Nolan Arenado still leads the pack, as he is hitting .377/.393/.547 with a couple of homers and 19 RBI in 55+ plate appearances. Prospect guru and scout extraordinaire Keith Law discussed Arenado during his weekly chat:
It seems that a proper comp for Arenado's immediate ceiling is 2006-2008 Garrett Atkins, and I would be completely unopposed to that. Atkins was below-average but also very much competent at third base. Arenado appears to be on the same track. He could also be much more than that.
Updates on other Rockies farmhands playing in the AFL:
Tim Wheeler - .255/.317/.455, 2 HR, 17 RBI
Ben Paulsen - .238/.304/.286, 0 HR, 3 RBI
Parker Frazier - 3.60 ERA, 8 K, 4 BB in 10 IP
Joe Gardner - 3.86 ERA, 11 K, 4 BB in 7 IP; 2.67 GO/AO ratio
Casey Weathers - 9.00 ERA, 4 K, 7 BB in 4 IP
A couple more links after the jump...
Rockies' Spilborghs, Stewart in holding pattern - The Denver Post
Troy Renck discusses the situations for Ryan Spilborghs and the much-ballyhooed Ian Stewart. Both are non-tender candidates, and both are looking to play in winter ball leagues. However, they're recovering from injuries and don't want to take risks as they look to get contracts for the upcoming season. My personal belief is that, with Charlie Blackmon breaking into the big leagues and the Rockies going after Michael Cuddyer or Josh Willingham, Spilborghs will be non-tendered. However, if they don't land a Cuddyer or Willingham by the December 12th tender deadline, that could change. The club will likely hold on to Stewart either way, but 2012 will be Stewart's final chance to show that he is not Brandon Wood.
Rockies make Jerry Weinstein new catching coach - The Denver Post
Minor coaching staff change here, as Modesto manager Jerry Weinstein will begin serving as the Rockies' catching coach in 2012. Maybe he can make some waves with Wilin Rosario - although Tracy Ringolsby does not believe that Rosario will be with the big league club to start the season.
Interview with Christian Friedrich: Colorado Rockies Prospect " MLB reports
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Personally
I like a comp between Arenado and Michael Young. High contact, solid power, not so great in the field but enough to get by.
Dear Mets: you may take Cabrera, Wheeler, and we will throw in Huston Street for Wright
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 22, 2011 11:17 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
That's not bad.
But if Arenado and/or Pomz goes in a deal, I’m going to be upset.
Nolan or Pom won't be.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 22, 2011 11:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They won't take Street.
Cabrera is an interesting name, but you’d have to add some more firepower to that list.
Rosario, Cabrera, Tago?
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How about White and Wheeler?
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by Charlie77 on Oct 22, 2011 1:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not good enough. There are a dozen teams that would love to have Wright on their team.
We aren’t paying for Wright as much as outpaying other teams for Wright.
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Its just as good as your offer..
White is a higher rated prospect than Cabrera, Wheeler and Rosario are fairly equal and Tago hasn’t shown any value yet.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 22, 2011 1:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wheeler and Rosario are fairly equal
No. Nononono. Not even close.
The Mets are going to rebuild, and they need young upside arms. Tago still has value despite his struggles because of his age,.
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You are overvaluing a young catcher..
who has repeated AA and posted an OPS in the .700’s for 2 of the past 3 seasons.
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I’d love to fight about this with you, Charlie.
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I doubt the Rockies trade White/Pomeranz, to be honest.
Wright isn’t going to come cheap. It’ll take one of Rosario/Bettis/Parker to just kickstart the deal.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 22, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: Anyone interested in joining SABR?
There is, of course, a chapter here in Denver. The Rocky Mountain chapter is hosting our annual banquet on Nov 5th. The speakers will be John Thorn, official historian of MLB, and Rob Neyer. There are also other events held throughout the year, including regular meetings, monthly luncheons, and Rockies game of the month.
More info can be found here.
I am a history major at csu and I am doing a research project on baseball historian Jules tygiel. SABR has an article on him that could help my paper. Do you know how I can access just that article?
by Tim Lorenz on Oct 22, 2011 7:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You'd probably have to purchase a membership
I think it’s $45 if you’re under 30.
What the hell is up with all the conflicting reports about Arenados fielding?
I don’t ever remember hearing so many conflicting reports about a prospects fielding…. First we hear that he is “Lumbering” and “duck footed”, but then the reports come in that he is actually not all that bad, and then that he might actually be average or slightly above it with some polish. Then a few days after hitting an inside the park home run we get this report about how he might be able to “Fake it”
What the ef?
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by SurfaceThought on Oct 22, 2011 12:09 PM MDT reply actions
My thoughts
based on all of the reports (because I haven’t seen him, and even if I did, I wouldn’t know what to look for), is that he seems like a guy who will play average defense but won’t necessarily make it look pretty.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The thing about Arenado’s defense is that you don’t have to know what to look for. He just looks awkward out there.
The ball gets hit to third and you are silently screaming “ohgodwhatishedoi—- oh, that actually turned out okay.”
He generally makes the right play, but it never looks easy.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I would also guess (and that's all this is) that his defense is still a work in progress and undergoing alterations
So he’ll have good days and bad days; depending on which day, or even week you see him he’ll look very different until he can zone in on what works best.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 22, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
He talks about his defense in
around the 1:45 mark in this video.
(He wants, and believes he will stay at 3B)
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 22, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Different eyes see different things.
I don’t think he deserved Cal League defensive player of the year, but he’ll be okay.
The lumbering describes his gait, and it’s actually quite accurate. He runs…weird.
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Atkins is a pretty good comp, dont you think?
Except he works harder than Atkins did. I’m not impressed with his attitude, but he’s going to be a good player.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 22, 2011 1:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the comp, yeah. We just don’t know what kind of power Arenado will develop.
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His HR power will develop later..
With his linedrive swing he’s a closer comp to Holliday from a hitting standpoint.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 22, 2011 1:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Defensively, I think he's more like Ron Cey than Atkins.
That will be a comp that a lot of people don’t remember, and I mostly know Cey from archival footage, but the gait is very much like the Penguin. And like Cey, Arenado’s actually somewhat athletic and a decent defender despite it. Atkins wasn’t ever much of an athlete after college and was really always a bit too hefty for the position, he looked like a first baseman playing third, Arenado fits the part a bit better. He’s not of the current Ryan Zimmerman or Evan Longoria prototype, but more of a throwback to the Cey/Mike Schmidt defensive style for the position in the late 70’s/80’s.
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I would love to this lineup
Dex
Ellis-This would be ok with me.
Cargo
Tulo
Wright
Helton
Willingham
CDI
Pitcher
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3-7 would be something that I would hope would install some fear in opposing pitchers.
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I'd be shocked if we got both Wright AND Willingham.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 22, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Isn't the Hammer an FA now?
I think we could “possibly” have a chance to sign him.
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Go Rangers!
Yorvit is starting C tonight :)
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Go NL champs!
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-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Go free baseball!
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Derp
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Wow, he's out by a full stride!!!
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Wow that bad call re Holliday not being safe
has lead to 4 runs. That’s awful. It would have been two outs instead of none. Terrible terrible terrible call.
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Are you saying Holliday didn't touch the plate?
;-0
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
For the record...
I’m watching the Avs, so I didn’t see the play.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
you mean like this?
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13166229
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
That was the reference, yes.
I think it’s funny that I had to watch an ad before I could see a coomercial!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I hate those commercials. Just play the dang thing!
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
He in fact did not touch 1st base before he was tagged
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yes indeed we've got a game
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Heh Renck tweets
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Best throw I saw Holliday make was a 50-yard out in Broncos bubble one January.. Shanahan turned head and dropped expletive
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Sign him!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
wouldn't be against that either.
Cargo, Dex and Holliday.
Let get my boots on because the drool puddle is huge
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I think he meant for the Broncos
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Well, I'm not a Broncos fan, he still wouldn't help them.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Well it's okay that you're not a Broncos fan
nothing can help the Broncos this year except you know learning how to friggin tackle
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heh. Seriously.
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Holliday would have been the starting QB at OK State if the Rockies hadn't signed him.
/He did have TJS in A or AA (someone here should know this)….. probably from throwing a damn football around so much.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 22, 2011 8:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I never knew he had TJ wow
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me neither
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
8-5 now. no out. 2 on
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GO CARDS!
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
why are they only letting starters go 3 or 4 innings?
LET THEM PITCH! This is what they get paid to do.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Have you not met Tony LaRussa?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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yea, I've heard of him. I just think it is stupid to do the things that he does. Apparently, all he likes to do is burn up his pitchers.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
That's my point. It's Tony LaRussa
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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He wouldn't be a good manager for the Rockies,
Our guys wouldn’t survive
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
They barely survive Tracy..lol
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We need a gif of Tracy with a whip, whipping the bullpen.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I'm not going there lol
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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why not?
Because it is inhumane?
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Sac fly Napoli - 8-6 now...go Rangers!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I miss Yorvit in a Rockies jersey!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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And he works for a walk :) pesky walking catchers
we need another one
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Welp, I think this game is over.
Gonna watch Russel Wilson against Michigan St.
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OT: Wow what a finish in the Wisconsin game!
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OU is a good 2nd half team. They are not out of it yet.
Plus, 3 of their starters aren’t even playing tonight. That don’t help them out either
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Woo hoo...can't stand Oklahoma
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Holy crap. Pujols with 3 dingers tonight.
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He is going to get PAID.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
When the news reports say "joining Babe Ruth" for any baseball feat...
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