Saturday Rockpile: With the Offseason Officially Underway, Matzek and Tago are Still Trying to Find Their Way
Congratulations to the St. Louis Cardinals, who won their 11th World Series Championship last night with a 6-2 victory over the Texas Rangers. David Freese, who did amazing thing after amazing thing, was named the World Series MVP. For the Cards, it was a dream ending to an almost unforeseen late-season ride (although our 2007 Rockies certainly would have one-upped them and everyone else in baseball history if they would have been able to best Boston). For the Rangers, it was about as heartbreaking of a loss as a team could have. For baseball fans everywhere, it was simply just what our favorite sport needed (although Game 7 was, as is seemingly always the case, a bit anticlimactic).
Now, with the season officially over, it's time for every team to look forward. Optimism for the future will be rampant for the fanbases of all 30 clubs - some more deserving of it than others. Specifically, with our favorite club there is a lot to look forward to, but a lot to worry about as well. Something tells me this uncertainty is the case all across Major League Baseball. The uncertainty is certainly prevalent in our club's case...
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Keith Law has some not-particularly-good news about two upper-echelon Rockies prospects:
Couple of leftover notes from instructional league: Talked to a scout who covered Colorado's instructional league and came away with negative reports on recent first-round picks Tyler Matzek and Peter Tago. Matzek was still stuck in the upper 80s and didn't have command, so the effects of the Rockies' attempt to change his delivery are still lingering. Tago couldn't throw strikes and was down about a full grade on his fastball as well.
I don't know if I would take this to heart too much, as both pitchers saw an increased workload from the prior season, not to mention the fact that they're still trying to work out kinks. Matzek's command may always be an issue, but I think the velocity will come around. As for Law, whatever bone he has to pick with the Rockies' player development staff doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon.
Rockies, Giambi near agreement on option for 2012 season - The Denver Post
One thing that is certain (although not yet "official") about the short-term future is that Jason Giambi will be a part of it. The Giambino, whose .958 OPS led the team this past season, will be 41 years old on opening day. However, he showed that he has the ability to be effective in his role - which doesn't just stop as a bench threat, judging by Troy Tulowitzki's quote in the article (although that's certainly no secret). One guy who may not be part of the team's future is Aaron Cook, whose 2012 option was declined (obviously). The Rockies, however, may still try to bring him back for pennies on the dollar.
Angels To Name Jerry Dipoto GM: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
Jerry DiPoto, who began his front office career (as well as ended his playing career) with the Rockies, will be named the new GM for the Angels today. DiPoto has been in the D-Backs front office for the past few years, and even ran the team on an interim basis for a short time last season. A couple of shrewd moves that he made while in charge set Arizona up very well for now and for the future.
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Gosh-darnit
I was really hoping when the option was declined we were just going to be done with Giambi
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by SurfaceThought on Oct 29, 2011 10:11 AM MDT reply actions
What a waste of a roster spot
I don’t want to give up hope on day one of the off season, but come on, Dan and Jim! What the heck? What on Earth does this 41 year old give you that some decent professional hitter — anyone! — doesn’t? And don’t tell me he’s an extra coach … hire a freakin’ extra coach then. Don’t suck up a 25 man spot.
by BostonTransplant on Oct 29, 2011 10:37 AM MDT reply actions
The entire article makes me want to throw up
In addition to the slurpy, sappy love letter Renck writes to Giambi, can someone please tell me what a “make-good contract” is?
Who’s next on the Not-Really-Even-Trying-to-Win list of returnees?
Spilly? He kills it on YouTube!
EY? Like Flounder in Animal House – he’s a legacy, we have to keep him!
So far this offseason is sure shaping up a lot like last year’s.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 29, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with all the above sentiments. I am so over Giambi :(
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Giambi is the missing piece the Rockies need to contend
Good thing O’Dowd has indeed learned from his mistakes.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 29, 2011 12:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
What does Giambi do for our 25 man roster that someone like Blackmon can't do?
He can only “play” first. This boggles my mind. His roster inflexibility hurts my team’s chances to win. If he wants to stick around, hire him as a coach and be done with it.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 29, 2011 12:25 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Dearest friends,
The Rockies are at absolute best a .500 team in 2012. Adding Charlie Blackmon or Matt Diaz or Jonny Gomes or whoever in place of Jason Giambi is not going to suddenly take this team from mediocrity that comes with a growing team and put them in the 90-93 win range.
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Dearest friends,
The Rockies are at absolute best a .500 team in 2012. Adding Charlie Blackmon or Matt Diaz or Jonny Gomes or whoever in place of Jason Giambi is not going to suddenly take this team from mediocrity that comes with a growing team and put them in the 90-93 win range. is still going to take up a roster spot from a younger player that actually may have a future in Colorado.
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by Muzia on Oct 29, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
In all seriousness, I disagree with this assessment, and the sentiment behind it
For one thing, what exactly were we all saying seven months ago when Adam Wainwright blew out his arm? Yeah, I thought so.
So much of baseball is luck. Not everything, of course. The Astros weren’t going to the playoffs this year no matter what, and the Yankees and Phillies were going to be good, no matter what. But there’s a huge category of teams in between — maybe 3/4 of baseball — that is a stretch of good luck away from 90 wins, and a stretch of bad luck away from 70. The last two years in our division, three different teams had magical years. It happens.
We have two position superstars and some very solid youngsters who can contribute right away. If all goes right — health above all, but also 3 or 4 guys having career years — it’s not at all unreasonable to assume we’re a couple of big acquisitions away from contending. And that’s how should be acting.
by BostonTransplant on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, and gloom and doom hipsters are the worst kind of hipsters ...
Whatever happened to “everybody’s optimistic in the off-season”?
by BostonTransplant on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Re-read your last paragraph...
You said that it’ll take 3 or 4 guys having career years PLUS “a couple of big acquisitions” for us to be contending. I’m pretty sure that could be said for just about every team in the league except for the Astros and the Orioles, and the latter only because of their division.
In other words, you’re not at all optimistic about our chances for 2012, either, as the odds of all that coming into place are extremely small.
Seth, Fowler, Iannetta/Stewart?
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 29, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I certainly hope that all 4 of those guys put it together
and I could easily see any 1 of them doing so…but all 4 in one season?
“Career years” for Seth and Dex would be a full, healthy season with statlines of like .300/.380/.500.
For Iannetta, maybe .260/.400/.500.
For Stewart, maybe .270/.350/.500.
If we get this production combined with acquisitions, of, say Michael Cuddyer and Chris Volstad, just to name two guys that have been thrown out there as possible acquisitions, then sure, we’re a strong playoff team. It’s just hard for me to see it all coming together like that.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, and I certainly like the optimism, but it just sounds like while you guys are hopeful, you don’t think it’s very likely, either. If DO’D follows through on his promises and makes some major splashes for the rotation specifically this offseason, I’ll be much more willing to share this outlook.
I'm going to say no to this. They might be a .500 team,
but “at absolute best” is a bit hyperbolic. This doesn’t discount the truth behind Matt Diaz vs. Jonny Gomes vs. Jason Giambi point though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Dearest Andrew,
So let me get this striaght: the team is in a rebuilding mode in 2012, and THAT’s what makes it okay to bring back a positionless, 41-year-old player who will come to spring training 30 pounds overweight?
Replacing Giambi with an actual baseball player isn’t going to turn the Rockies’ clubhouse into terrible workplace, or cause young players to lose their way, or any other of the nonsensical BS excuses O’Dowd invents to keep players around that he’s fallen in love with.
But I guess if Jim Tracy can’t make a band of 4th-place underachievers feel darn good about themselves, he’ll have Giambi around to lend a hand.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 29, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So let me get this striaght: the team is in a rebuilding mode in 2012, and THAT’s what makes it okay to bring back a positionless, 41-year-old player who will come to spring training 30 pounds overweight?
You can question Giambi’s value to this team all you want, but I don’t think it’s very fair to question his competitiveness and dedication to the game by saying that he’s going to come into ST overweight. And Giambi is very much an “actual baseball player” — a .958 OPS is a .958 OPS, and I’ll bet you weren’t complaining about him when he hit those three homers to carry us against the Phillies, for example.
There’s absolutely no need for that kind of snark against this guy.
Take a look at some film from 2009
When Giambi was fighting for a final spot on an MLB roster, and compare it to last year after he was put on the stay-as-long-as-you-want plan. Thirty pounds difference might be generous on my part.
But I’ll look forward to another summer of the “true fans” bitching up a storm about how senile ol’ Jim Tracy can’t win with a 19-man roster, while sanctimonously wringing their hands at anyone who questions the value of the clubhouse favorites.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous
Nowhere have I heard that there was a serious weight gain problem with Giambi this year. He’s listed at 240 pounds, and I’m pretty sure that he’s been around that level for much of his career.
Most commenters on this blog like the guy, but simply would rather have a younger player take his place, which is very fair. You, however, seem to hate the guy himself, and your comments in this thread unfairly paints management as a group of inept clowns looking for fan favorites over baseball ability. Did anyone think that Spilly was going to fall off the face of the planet this year? Did anyone think that EY would never realize his potential? We’re one day into the offseason, and already you’re crying about moves that haven’t even been made. It’s really incredibly immature of you.
If you think Giambi was in similar physical shape last year
compared to 2009, then you are seeing what you want to see.
I don’t hate the guy, I just get tired of the gymnastics people engage in to justify a spot for him on a 25-man NL roster. If any other NL GM carved out a guaranteed roster spot for Giambi and went on and on about what a critical component he is to their success, this board would be laughing its collective butt off.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 29, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make it sound as if his only contribution has been his this sentimental love for our best buddy
Jason Giambi played 1B when Helton didn’t and posted a .958 OPS. That’s value right there.
You’re creating the strawman that anyone who thinks Giambi could be a positive impact on the team is purely and indivisibly in the “Giambi is like having an extra coach! Who cares what he bats or how actually decent of a player he is anymore?” camp, and that’s just plain unfair.
Do I think he’s gonna post another .950+ OPS season? Probably not. Is he capable of a .800+ OPS, or at the very least a .~360+ OBP? Yeah, and I’m completely OK with that backing up Todd Helton.
Having Jason Giambi or having Charlie Blackmon isn’t going to suddenly make Jim Tracy a good manager. You’re tying WAY too many key elements of this team’s problems into this one position.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 29, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I never said anything about Giambi being an extra coach
I want coaches who can coach, and players who can play. And given Helton’s age, I would prefer to back him up with someone who can stand in the general proximity of first base for more than one day in a row. Giambi cannot, which is one of the reasons we got the Ty Wigginton experience last year instead of the RH hitting outfielder the front office made noises about acquiring – again.
But my main concern isn’t who is or is not going to be the backup 1B next year, or who’s going to DH in the six games we play in AL parks. It’s the general practice of making a lot of offseason noise about improving the roster, and then being unwilling to make room for anyone who will actually make an impact.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 29, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
i doubt that we're "at best" a .500 team
seems awfully pessimistic to say that
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Interesting post at Fangraphs on weather & park factors.
Fangraphs on weather & park factors.
Like several of the commenters, I think it would be more interesting to aggregate data by temperature rather than by park, given how much temperature can fluctuate in some cities (Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis, cities in the Northeast) compared to others (San Diego, San Francisco, Oakland, to some extent Seattle). It would also be interesting to compare, say, the Angels and Dodgers, which can have very different temperatures despite being close to one another.
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Since everyone is talking about Giambi
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Deal is done. Rockies pick up Giambi's 1M option for 2012
I really don’t get this. Why are we tying up a 40 man roster spot before the Rule V draft for a guy that is guaranteed to re-sign with us in free agency?
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The timing really is puzzling.
I can’t imagine that they haven’t taken the Rule 5 into consideration, but I guess it’ll speak to how much they value the eligibles left off.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 29, 2011 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s not even about protecting a prospect. It’s about intentionally limiting your roster flexibility before a potentially busy offseason.
The easy solution would be to re-sign him next Spring, then shoehorn him onto the 40 man next Spring when they move DLR to the 60-day DL. Easy.
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we just ignore the rule V draft every season
problem solved!
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 29, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
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OTish: Just came across Field of Dreams on TV
I guess I needed one more day of something baseball related.
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Giambi should be made to compete like anyone else for his job.
I don’t discount what he is and is not. I know Pacheco does not have Gianbi’s power. I hope he unseats Giambi in his Role. I’ve advocated Pacheco starting at 3b over Stewart. I still think his long term future is backup 1b I want to hear what Lansford’s projects are this off season?
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