Monday Rockpile: Rockies Road Batting - Not the Key to Success?
by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintThe past several years, the Rockies batting on the road has been a cause for constant worry, pain, agony, and other depressing things like that. This past year, the Rockies posted a .242/.309/.374 batting line on the road, good for a 77 wRC+ (suggesting that after park adjustments, Rockies batters were 23% below average on the road). This isn't exactly a surprising thing, given that the Rockies have posted a MLB-worst 76 wRC+ since the 2007 season.
Well, here's the thing. We know that the Rockies have had trouble hitting on the road this and last year, as fixing the orad hitting was one of O'Dowd's goals of the offseason (and boy howdy did Ty Wigginton help out with that! Actually, the Rockies' jump from a 67 wRC+ technically is an improvement) and things were pretty awful this year as well. Factor in 2008's 76 wRC+, and we can assume the playoff years were the years with the best road hitting, because we won, right?
2007: 82 wRC+
2009: 78 wRC+
Oh.
So technically, the assumption that the playoff years resulted in the best road batting is true, but we're not talking a night-and-day difference in production.
What was different about 2007 and 2009 was the pitching. 2007, the Rockies had the best fWAR (despite very middle-of-the-road ERA-type numbers - you know, xFIP, SIERA, all that) in the NL. 2009, they had the best in the Majors (again, supporting numbers kind of filling in the gaps). 2008, they had a middling fWAR along with the corresponding numbers being similarly mediocre. 2010, the pitching was all there,
Not uncoincidentally, 2007 and 2009 were two of the better batting seasons over the past 5 years or so.
So, it appears that the better the Rockies bat AND the better the Rockies pitch, the better the Rockies do.
The bats certainly need a step forward, but the pitching hasn't been this ineffective since 2005. The last time the Rockies pitching accumulated lower than 2011's 14.9 fWAR was 2005, and that season was only good for 13.9 fWAR.
I guess here's my point. The batting has been this bad before. The pitching, however, hasn't. This is why Armstrong is pushing so hard for pitching. This is why most everything we've read in the past several weeks have focused on the Rockies need for stable pitching.
Some of those pitching upgrades are going to just come from within. Things like Jorge De La Rosa and Juan Nicasio returning from injury and the continued development of Jhoulys Chacin, Alex White, and Drew Pomeranz are going to provide part of that pitching improvement. But this should just reiterate how important having SOMEBODY who can eat 200IP - or some facsimile thereof - over the course of the 2012 season is so important. We've mentioned names that could be looked at, such as Mark Buehrle, Edwin Jackson, Ricky Nolasco, Jeff Niemann, Wade Davis, Cliff Lee (OBVIOUSLY), but it's clearly too early to really gauge our possibilities in landing these pitchers.
In MLB news, some weak pitching by Daniel Hudson and Brad Ziegler buried the Dbacks' chances of evening their series, and they have falled down 0-2 in the NLDS. The other 3 series are all tied at 1.
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Email Jeff Aberle and ask him.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 3, 2011 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions
think he was aiming for this week
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 3, 2011 9:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait, so you're saying that pitching wins baseball games?
If only someone would have realized this a long time ago!
;)
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Now would be a good time to be a fan of sports in Wisconsin.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 3, 2011 8:37 AM MDT reply actions
OT: But perhaps the biggest news ever ever ever:
batemanjason Jason Bateman
It’s true. We will do 10 episodes and the movie. Probably shoot them all together next summer for a release in early ’13. VERY excited!
According to attendees at the panel, where Hurwitz was joined by series stars Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Portia de Rossi, Michael Cera, Tony Hale, Jeffrey Tambor, David Cross, Alia Shawkat and Jessica Walter, Hurwitz laid out his plan to have each installment focus on a different member of the Bluth clan.
I don’t even feel naming the TV show is necessary.
Biggest news.....
But I have no idea what they are talking about or who these people are.
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My poor friend, you’ve made a huge mistake…
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Oh...didn't that show get cancelled?
I watched an episode. It was absolutely horrid. Almost as bad as Jersey Shore.
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You have to understand.
If you’re a nerd between the ages of 25–35, you either like Arrested Development or keep your mouth shut. If not, you risk being ostracized.
/keepshismouthshut
lol
If someone wants to ostracize me because I don’t like a stupid TV show, I welcome it. All they end up doing is ostracizing themselves.
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Seriously.
We literally have all day and nothing to do.
Light doesn’t really shine down here in the basement, so there’s no accurate way to track the passage of time.
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...except those pesky little clocks in the bottom right corner
damn them and their connection to the real world.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
.
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the girl on the far side is kind of collateral damage.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 3, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
How is that this guy's first reaction?
the thing doesn’t have arms or legs. it couldn’t do a thing if it tried….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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But it looks angry.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 3, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope the snowman
just made fun of ponytails on guys.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
whoah
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
You are of course wrong
thankfully the entire show is streaming on Netflix so you have a chance to fix this.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I'm certainly not going to pay to watch it.
That would be absurd.
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There are maybe 5 TV shows I would pay to see that is one of them
The Wire, The Sopranos, The Black Adder make the cut okay maybe more like 10-15
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
swing over to the OT for TV discussion
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Now that we have an OT
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
we'll see how things go as the season rolls on.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
there's always money in the banana stand...
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RMN: I believe the fastest way to improve team pitching is to ditch in Toto our team catching .
I think a full season of CDI and Rosario (because of their defensive faults) will cost us 2/3 of a run in team ERA. Tell me how many wins that is worth? I don’t think their bats( no matter how good you think they are) can offset that cost to the staff not just in lost calls, extra walks,extra hits, extra runs and extra losses; the extra wear and tear is telling late in the season. A two hundred inning a year guy will not be one facing that handicap. The guys we have now in the pen are running out of BB’s as a result and I think is very much a contributing factor in several staff member’s inconsistancy; to outright decline.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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Chris Iannetta is a good defensive catcher.
Wilin Rosario is expected to be even better, with some experience.
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Wrong
I agree Rosario is a work in progress CDI is not and he is not a good defesive catcher. Oh he can catch the ball. It’s how he’s catching it that’s killing us. I think the cummulative effect of his framing and pitching at Coors is hurting us, I don’t hate Rosario but he still has a lot to learn. I don’t think he’s ready yet. All things considered (passed balls excepted) he shows some promise but he’s still unrefined.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I’m sorry, but there is no way in hell that “framing” adds .75 runs to a pitcher’s ERA.
Zero. Nada. Zilch.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the effect of throwing all the extra pitches per inning.
It Causes the pitchers to labor for more innings than they might or should.. It also costs a pitcher confidence if he thinks he’s hitting his target or close and he’s not getting the calls. You wind up changeing your mechanics to throw more darts. I think that costs the whole staff over the long haul. You aren’t as efficient and you aren’t as rested. it snowballs. If every pitcher on the staff is going through it the cummulative effect mounts on the whole staff.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Sounds like terrible umpires should be replaced with good umpires.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Bad Umpires make it worse; bad framing gets called against by good umps too.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
that's bad umpiring then, too.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
A good ump gives you a consistant strike zone to work against.
A BETTER CATCHER GETS THAT GOOD UMP TO EXPAND HIS ZONE INSPITE OF HIMSELF.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
No, that means you have a lousy umpire and a flawed system
The strike zone has a definition. An umpire willing to change the rules because he feels like this catcher has moxie or whatever needs to be removed from the game. Plain and simple.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Then how do you explain Greg Maddux's career.
He didn’t have Forrest Gregg behind the dish everygame?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Greg Maddux was an amazing pitcher?
I don’t know what you want me to say.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
BUT it would be pretty funny
if after controlling for his catcher’s framing, he was merely middle of the road.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I want to see them run the same study on the pitchers themselves.
And then again on batters.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
it would also be funny if this were proven to have any statistically meaningful effect at all
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Forrest Gregg?
He was an offensive tackle for the 1960s Packers.
And he later coached the Bengals to a Super Bowl.
I had no idea he could frame pitches.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Please give us some proof
Yelling /= proof.
And before you continue this argument, it has been discussed ad nauseum in this blog with stats to show that a good pitcher will pitch well regardless of who the catcher is.
Get well soon Juan.
It’s exactly this type of reasoning that sends Mike Napoli to Texas in favor of Jeff Mathis.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Funny, that's who I was thinking about in my earlier example.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
oh, and funny how the Angels made it so far with Catching Hero Jeff Mathis
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I want to make an SBNation account named Jeff 'The Savior' Mathis
and then come here and tear this place apart.
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head over to Halos Heaven
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
pffft 'The Savior'
doesn’t need your help finding the blogosphere Heaven
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
And Who thinks that but a former all star catcher who was not pleased with Napoli as a batter at 1b.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Well, that decision singlehandedly cost them the AL West division crown.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
and then let him go and watched him absolutely destroy them down in Texas for a full season.
Bravo, Tony Reagins. Angels fans should be rejoicing that he left before he traded away Ervin Santana for Alfonso Soriano.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just not sure this year's Rockies staff is the one on which to make your point
If suddenly the Rockies had Greg Maddux pitching to CDI and suddenly his BB rate went through the roof, maybe. But take Cook’s ERA, lop off .75, and you still have a lousy ERA.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 3, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I, also, do not understand what foagie is saying here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're not going to sell me on this because you saw one study done.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I know I am' not going to sell you on one study. .
It’s what I been thinking for a long time.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
And we completely disagree on it
You’re talking about gaming a flawed system.
I’m talking about fixing the system so complete garbage “skillsets” – which is really just compensating for terrible officiating – become a nonfactor and we can focus on talents and skills that exist within the rules of the game.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
The system has always been gamed.
Untill you eliminate the human element it can’t be helped.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Perhaps we should
So we can say “oh look, this catcher with a good throwing arm, good blocking ability, a superhuman batter’s eye, and generally an above average catcher is an above average player” rather than saying “well this garbage catcher who couldn’t hit his way through a wet coffee filter is able to BS lousy umpires into thinking his pitcher is better than he actually is, therefore is a good catcher”
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Now you're embellishing.
but as far as I’m concerned if you cost your pitcher and team past a certain point . You are costing the team. CDI is not that good historically or even currently except for what you consider his superhuman batting eye that he can’t take full advantage of..
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Saying that he's "costing the team" is far more embellishment than I've put up, despite my flair.
No, he’s not THAT good, but he’s good. He’s not costing the team, he was one of the few positives in the 2011 season. He batted well and defended well. Crucifying him because umpires can’t tell if a pitch is a ball or a strike without the catcher winking at them first and being full of piss and vinegar is just not acceptable.
This kind of stuff flew when professional sports kept the fans’ understanding of the game and what goes into it at an arm’s length. Now that we have PitchF/X data freely available to us and so on and so forth, this whole system of gaming the umpires isn’t going to work anymore. We can see which umpires are full of crap and which are doing their jobs properly.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 7 recs
Even the good Umps get fooled.
And now you know why Schilling was breaking Qwestec machines. (or what ever they’re called). It was robbing him of part of his skill set. It was subtracting from the range of lateral movement of his pitches. It’s not just the strikes out side the zone that a catcher steals; it’s the pitches inside the zone or the nebulous grey area that he looses too. If you want machines to call balls and strikes; why not let machines play the game? .
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
didn't
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think they called it rowbot wars?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Here is the strike zone
If the batter does not swing, and the ball falls within the strike zone, it is a strike.
Not “If the catcher is a veteran presence and has displayed to the umpire that he’s a reputable baseball person and can hold his wrists still while calming his pitcher and successfully bamboozled the umpire to gain his favor and trust, then a pitch 2 inches outside of the predetermined zone is a strike.”
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or hitting a home run once every two or three weeks.
How many people would really watch the NBA if the true definition of travelling and goal tending were called everyplay? Gee this Micheal Jordan guy can’t play because he always traveles and this Shaq guy goaltends even when he’s standing flat footed.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I think that made my point quite well.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think using NBA refs as a rallying point
helps your case.
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by SDcat09 on Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
What about Rosario did you just absolutely hate?
I thought he handled himself pretty well all things considered.
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he can't keep the ball in front of him
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought that he did fine.
For a rookie from AA. No, he isn’t MLB ready just yet. But I think he can get there. I’m definitely not saying he needs to be our full time catcher next season or anything.
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So how is that most of the guys in the bullpen
manage to throw strikes, and pitch to a respectable ERA? The starter doesn’t take the catcher with him when he gets a 5th-inning hook, does he?
I’m not a huge Iannetta fan, and I was disappointed with the level of play Rosario displayed. But blaming the catchers for this crapola rotation doesn’t make sense to me. Johnny Bench in his prime doesn’t get this crew to .500.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
They don't don't face the efeect as much in one day because captain hook is so quick.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I get where you're coming from
but I don’t really get how the immediate answer is to ditch catching – one of whom was one of the more valuable catchers in the bigs this year and the second of whom is a top prospect – with absolutely no mention of working on this/learning/improving the players we do have. I could be wrong, but of all the things a catcher is responsible for, framing pitches doesn’t seem like it would be the most difficult thing. Maybe CDI can and should work on it, but to go from ’He’s poor at framing pitches’ to ‘get him off the team’ seems like it skips a step….or two….
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It really comes down to the unspoken “I hate the type of player that Iannetta is”, which would be more honest and direct. And acceptable, for that matter.
I wish Jim Tracy would come out and say it.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The hate is weird though
because even if you think he sucks, like, don’t most primary catchers suck offensively anyway? How is it so bad for CDI?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Because you can claim intangibles like “FISTPUMPZ” and “framing pitches” to make crappy catchers look better.
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Oh right, of course.
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Oldfoagie
You have posted many posts about the deficits of Iannetta. So, I was wondering if there is anything that you like about him?
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
as they say, “The silence is deafening.”
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I give him cred for trying to establish a game plan and I think he's improved s his foot work quite a bit...
He has been better than average at blocking pitches. He does have good plate discipline . Lansfoerd earned his money improving what Chris gets to. It’s still really only one third of the zone by getting Chris to drop the bathead faster.. His arm has been enhanced by the better footwork as it affords him better accuracy than he had before. He gets to his release point faster than he would have before as well. In those areas he did improve. By improveing his footwork he improved those skills to average. He better at calming the passionate guys than the sulking guys. He’s better at the pat on the back than the kick in the ass.
I still can’t stand watching him.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I appreciate you answering my question.
Since you have seen some improvement in both his hitting and behind the plate, but still can’t stand to watch him, your dislike of him appears to be on a personal level. I don’t think even if Chris improves to “elite” level you would like him. This is fine, btw. Many of us on PR have personal dislikes of players. It just is disingenuous to continually berate his abilities as a catcher when you will never be pleased with him or his improvements.
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by butterfly on Oct 3, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 10 recs
I hope this turns green.
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Wait a minute....I think I've figured this out
Oldfoagie is Jim Tracy = Jim Tracy is Oldfoagie
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I thought PHLP was Jim Tracy.
But this makes more sense.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
If I was Jim Tracy we'd have a better team cross dressing AMart! :_)
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
uh what?
I’m just referring to your permanent doghouse that says Chris Iannetta.
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I'm honest when I say I can't stand watching him.
I get angry when people act like he’s better than what he is.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I think the issue is that, whether you like him or not,
comparatively, he’s not bad. Although he might be horrible compared to Johnny Bench, compared to Miguel Olivo, he holds up pretty well.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I've senn some of the best and worst the game has ever seen.
To me at framing he’s well below the 50th percentile and he’s moved what else was below average to at or slightly below. Compared to Olivo Ianneta is consistant. Olivo does not play consistantly through a whole season. He’s a better arm than chris when he’s on. Chris wastes him when it comes to blocking pitches. Olivo is almost exactly average whn it comes to framing. There he is better than Chris by a lot. Pitch calling they are both MEH. Olivo is better at firing people up and kicking ass. That is not the same as FISTZPUMPZ.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
But, once again, are you talking in the league today,
or over the years?
If you’re talking about in the league today, you should provide us all with a list of the best catchers, according to your scale, int he league today up to Ianetta, with a few catchers that are worse.
If you’re just comparing him against Johnny Bench and Tony Peña, it really doesn’t matter. What matters is how he compares to players today. I’d like to see that list.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s exactly this type of reasoning that sends Mike Napoli to Texas in favor of Jeff Mathis.
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I'd still like to understand why you think he doesn't get the most
out of his pitchers.
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To give what I have to say some context I suggest you read Brent Maynes's "The Art of Cacthing"
By not framing well he loses strikes and creates more balls for his pitcher and therefore lowers their efficency. By completely giving up on some of his pitcher’s pitches when they just don’t have it he doesn’t keep batters honest and let’s them sit on some pitches.
By resorting to only some pitches he limits what the batter has to look for and raises the number of pitches he has to call outside the zone that his framing does not get called for him. By not working the umps he gives away some pitches that could be his. When he gives up completely on some pitches even for show he limits his own game plan and makes easier for the hitter to guess what’s coming.. It becomes a viscious circle. The reverse is what Maddux and Glavine and their catcher’s did to everybody else.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
By completely giving up on some of his pitcher’s pitches when they just don’t have it he doesn’t keep batters honest and let’s them sit on some pitches.
What do you mean here? How does he give up on pitchers’ pitches?
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Say Nicasio (hypotheticly) does not have command of his breaking pitches and just has his ace working.
The hitter sits fastball and the you are dependent on movement alone. If you don’t throw the breaking ball (or at least another kind of fastball) the hitter sits one one spot. By throwing an occasional breaking pitch to change speeds and the plane the hitter is looking at; you sometimes induce someone to chase a pitch you want out of the zone. It keeps the hitter off balance and wrecks his target lock.
I’ve senn Chris go innings at a time calling two pitches or one. Then you get to where you hear the radio announcers start useing the word squeeze over and over again. By not framing well the ump will subconsiouly start to contract the strikezone. The result is more walks or hits (hopefully DP grounders). It’s part psychology and part technique.
To me it’s no different than the QB who won’t look off or the point guard that doesn’t headfake of the wingman who doesn’t fake the passoff. It’s part of the same skill of making the other guy go where you want only in baseball you do it to the zebra too.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
The problem with your argument
Is that there are tons of stats that are contrary to your argument.
Get well soon Juan.
Are there heat maps for catchers?
I havent seen these stats yet.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 3, 2011 12:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They can be had and have seen exapmles in the past.
I just don’t know who posts them. The article Holly linked by Mike Fast at Baseball Prospectus had some for Lucroy vs Varitek and Moline Vs Doumit to show the extremes except really Posada was extreme worst..See: “Spinninig Yarn Removing the Mask.”
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I look at Maddux, whom Oldfoagie has mentioned,
for some kind of pattern that would show this.
The first thing I look at is L/STR or percentage of stikouts looking. Over 21 season, Maddux pretty much maintained a 27% L/STR which is 1% point over the league averages for that period. His top five seasons in L/STR (2000, 2007, 1995, 2005, 2006) occurred with five different regular catchers. Even the two years with the Braves were different because in 1995 Maddux used Charlie O’Brien, and in 2000 they used Eddie Perez.
On top of this, his four lowest L/STR seasons (1992, 1993, 1989, 1988, 1996) were all when he was young. Most of these years also featured different catchers. Three years with the Cubs in which he used at least two different catchers are here. In 1996, the Braves used Eddie Perez, who was also the catcher for his best L/STR season in 2000.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
The next thing I look at is OBP against
because, as mentioned, that should go up with a bad catcher. Maddux’s career OBP against is a ridiculous .291. The league average for that period is .333.
Maddux’s five best years are exactly 1994–1998. Unfortunately, he had two different catchers during this period, Eddie Perez and Charlie O’Brien. Also, 1996 saw him with one of his worst L/STR seasons while 1995 was one of his best L/STR. You would think that if framing had been an impact on the OBP, it would have also improved the L/STR.
Maddux’s worst season s in OBP were primarily in Chicago (1986, 1987, 1989, 1990) and one with 1999. The four years with Chicago featured various catchers, but 1999 was right on the tail end of his 1994-1998 run and includes Eddie Perez as catcher. In those two years he went from a .260 OBP to a .323 OBP with the same catcher.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Young Maddux had better stuff and better movement.
Older Maddux had better command. He’d work with his catcher on framing and the game plan. Maddux’s best season you should look more at the Oswing percentages because he was expanding the zone. He get calls consistently out of the zone and you’d have to start swinging at them. Maddux would hit all four corners and work outwards.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
But you're suggesting that
getting calls out of the zone is related to the catcher’s work. Quite clearly, getting calls out of the zone is much more closely related to his time in the league that anything else. His catchers changed regularly doing his best period of getting calls.
Your last sentence is perfect.
Maddux would hit all four corners and work outwards.
Exactly. And he would hit them no matter who was back there catching the ball.
you know the pitcher calls the pitch, right?
the catcher just throws the signs up until the pitcher nods.
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I see him as mostly competent except doing what's job #1 and that's getting the most for and from his pitchers.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Okay I usually just skim these
Iannetta debates these days…but how can you measure this?
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Survey
5 point likert scale with Strongly Disagree to Strongly Agree
Give to the pitchers, two questions:
Does Chris Iannetta get the most out of you?
Does Chris Iannetta get the most for you?
BOOM
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I actually agree w Foagie
CDI is my least favorite Rockie to watch play, because he seems so incredibly passive. Take strikes incessantly, never express emotions, barely try to frame pitches, take the same swing no matter what the situation.
This is all admittedly – and proudly – based on nothing beyond my own biases. But we do need a different mix going forward, and I do think we’re better off trading him and replacing w an average vet.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with you about Alonzo.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
He gets on base
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
So about...
never expresses emotions
(Amart’s gif, not mine)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
Don't post this
his criticisms will go from emotionless robot, to being scorned as some unfocused hothead or something..
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What? This is best gif of the year
and should see the light of day more often.
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you see, it's a joke about how people will use this as evidence of how much of a hothead he is and how he's unmanageable and an awful baseball player
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I got the joke. I was just looking for a way
of encouraging this clip to see the light of day.
I should have said WAT??!! Are you crazy? Would that have helped one realize I got his joke?
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with no tone of voice
you have to type hyperbolically
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
OKAY FINE I'LL WORK ON THAT
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GOOD
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Good?
It’s great. Actually, it’s more than great. Quite probably the best thing in the history of the internet. It’s pure genius, really. I can’t remember ever being so excited about anything in my life. Seriously. THE BEST THING EVAR!!
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meh.
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shut up
what do you know
you’re just a surfboard
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
But I am the best surfboard
in the entire interwebz EVER
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look how long, flat, and buoyant you are.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
The best CDI gif for sure.
I still think Super Cargo was the best of the year overall.
Is it 2012 yet?
hes clearly using profanity in that clip
think of the children. he needs to be more of a role model
this is Chris' gif.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could watch this all day long
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why? he's such a disrespectful player
Who picks a fight with a blind guy anyway???
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by Resolution on Oct 3, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
HAW
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Umpires get no sympathy for blindness
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I think my favorite part after watching it as many times as I have has actually become before he starts spewing profanities.
When the play first happens, Chris makes the swipe tag and posses with this “yeah, I got him. It’s all good” type of body language. Then when the out call is not made, Iannetta’s reaction is so volcanic that even he doesn’t know what to do with himself. In an almost fluid motion, he slams the ball in his mit, rises from his knee, rips off his mask, spins around like he’s in some sort of ballet, and finishes with his hands out to his side and a glare of dissidence that screams “ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS?!?!?!” He’s so angered by this that in one raging act of defience, his slams his mask down on the plate as if to symbolize that he defended it properly.
Then the ump throws him out of course and he goes all Mt. Vesuvius on him. But the leadup to it is almost poetic.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You could say he was pretty disgusted...
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
My favorite game of the season.
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't buy this.
CDI is very passionate towards baseball.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah this is an olllllllld argument
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
"I do think we’re better off trading him and replacing w an average vet"
Wait. That’s Chris Iannetta. Nevermind, Chris is an above average vet.
2/3 of a run over 162 games
is over 100 extra runs. Even if you are right, that’s way too high.
hah
Iannetta cost us 10 wins this past season!
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Stupid 800 OPS Catcher
lets trade him and Smith for Soriano
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Damn when I write it out like that the Wells trade looks even worse
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If you figure there are roughly 38 batters per game
and let’s say 4 runs, that means about 1 of every 9.5 batters scores. If framing is going to account for .75 runs per game, wouldn’t that mean it’s resulting in roughly another 7+ batters per game? Purely based on walks created or k’s lost? When in an average game there might be 10 or so k’s and bb’s recorded?
Yeah, I’m thinking it’s a bit high.
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by Junction Rox on Oct 3, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
No
Iannetta actually sucks that much!!!!!
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
The guys we have now in the pen are running out of BB’s as a result
well no wonder they’re so sparing with issuing them, we wouldn’t want to ACTUALLY RUN OUT OF WALKS by our relievers, that would be awful!
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I think he meant BBs as in "ammo"
Not BBs as in Bases on Balls.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
that's what I read as well
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
my take is so much funnier though
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
More on the managerial merry-go-round:
White Sox are very high on Martinez. I’m sure he’ll end up on one of the two Chicago teams.
Not only did Martinez play for both the Sox and Cubs — he was a third-round draft choice by the Cubs in 1983 — but his wife is from Chicago, two of his four children were born there and second son Jagger is a freshman scholarship soccer player at Northwestern.
It’s looking more like Showalter won’t move to GM of the Orioles. The Nats seem to be sticking with Johnson. With the Astros ownership deal up in the air, Mills is probably safe in Houston.
That really just leaves the Red Sox open. They aren’t reportedly looking toward Wakamatsu or Trammell.
This means we could see Trammell and Wakamatsu (and Francona) open next year. Not bad.
and He's got moves like Jagger.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 3, 2011 12:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So how does Miguel Olivo and Yorvit Torrealba
fit into the “horrible at framing pitches” narrative?
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Torrealba is apparently great at framing pitches
If that one season of data is substantial.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I believe Torreabla was a plus at it
Olive, I don’t remember…
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Olivo defines average; Torrealba was slightly short of elite.
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Hard to frame a pitch
when you don’t catch it. So I would have to think Olivo was not so good….
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by Junction Rox on Oct 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Did we have a good pitching staff that year? Were they overworked?
If not, it’s pretty obvious the catchers were awful at framing.
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Since the pitching will be a major player in the offseason discussion here
I think it’s appropriate to address an issue with the 2011 staff that I think could cloud many upcoming debates right now.
It’s centered around the idea of what the 2011 pitching staff actually was. Fangraphs ranks the Rockies arms this year (on a list of all 30 teams) 17th in fWAR and 13th in xFIP while baseball reference ranks the Rockies 16th in ERA+. There seems to be a pretty solid agreement among the PARK ADJUSTED stats that the Rockies ended the year middle of the pack here. (I hope we can all agree on this.)
Where things get tricky though is when you start to analyze how the Rockies arrived at that number. Take a look at the OPS against numbers (month by month) for Rockies pitching – Not to see how good or bad they were, but to see the trend of the season.
April: .694
May: .732
June: .755
July: .785
August : .837
September: .760
1st Half: .740
2nd Half: .791
These number get even more amazing when you look at the numbers just for starting pitching
1st Half: .732
2nd Half: .837
(The relief pitching was actually slightly better in the second half of the season)
I point this out because I already see rumblings of ideas that the Rockies pitching will improve itself next season as Pomeranz and White develop and JDLR and Nicasio possibly come back and contribute. While that statement is probably true, the real question we have to ask ourselves is improve from what? The Rockies pitching was REALLY, REALLY good early this season. You had Chacin’s fast start, JDLR before he got hurt, and Spring Jason Hammel (whose numbers actually stayed very solid until about mid June).
It’s crucial when analyzing our pitching staff this offseason to remember that we were well above average pitching wise early in the year, and well below average by the end of it – And sadly, this could mean that an automatic improvement of our pitching may only be an automatic improvement of our putrid second half numbers and not our overall season numbers.
If you’re going to use a baseline when talking about the 2012 pitching this winter, you’re going to have to do some digging into the 2011 numbers to establish it; because the overall figures are not going to cut it.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:41 AM MDT reply actions
Take Esmil Rogers out of the rotation and it will instantly improve.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
But if it’s only improving off those second half numbers, we have a long, long way to go.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Sadly, I'm not so sure
I don’t want Rogers in the rotation next year either, in any way, shape or form. But when a lightly-regarded converted infielder that the Rockies signed for a ham sandwich is just about as effective as the #2 overall pick they won’t give up on and the franchise icon that takes home 1/8 of the payroll – it seems to me that Rogers’ presense in the rotation is really a symptom of a larger problem.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with yu there too.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Rogers could be good with some work on his mechanics
That being said, he should work on them at AA or AAA levels. Not in the Bigs.
Get well soon Juan.
Right - I'm not giving up on Rogers
There may be a role he can play effectively for the Rockies someday. I’m jsut saying that the fact that he leapfrogged into the big club’s starting rotation – and stayed there for lack of better options – is more of an organizational failing than anything else.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
The pitching was good early in the season
But not in a sustainable way. You can ham-and-egg it for a month or two with 5-inning outings from the likes of Greg Reynolds, Esmil Rogers and Clay Mortensen. You can even throw Alan Johnson and get away with it, as long as the Cubs are in the visitors’ dugout. But that kind of staff is not going to hold up for a full season, or even 2/3 of a season, unless the starters eventually step up and start giving you some length. This group never did.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm talking more about the baseline we should use here
Whether what the stafff did early in the season was sustainable or not does not change that the April and May numbers work to hide how bad the staff was late if you look at overall season stats. This makes figuring out what we have for 2012 very, very tricky.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
In a way you are making my point too. our pitching can't sustain in the second half.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Take a look at which pitchers pitched the bulk of the 1st half and the 2nd half
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
You had the gaggle in the first half that repaced JDLR and you had Millwood replace Hammel
The improvement in september was mostly Pom and White replaceing Cook. and Ubaldo more or less became a wash.
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As much as I think of White
I don’t think his performance improved any team stats
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Not in the least.
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I have to admit Ubaldo didn't help my cause
but I will wait until june before I start to sweat.
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Mostly Washed Cook.
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this is getting tired quick
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
looks a little more like one really bad month in the second half, and a lucky one in the first half
than a total breakdown in the second half.
I’m not sure monthly OPS is the best way to view the pitching however.
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Look at the OPS against the starters from the first half of the season to the second
That’s night and day.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
But I'm not exactly sure where you're going with it
Like, doesn’t this just confirm that losing Ubaldo, JDLR, Nicasio, getting Cook back and healthy, White struggling bigtime and throwing Rogers out there were all things that really screwed up our second half?
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Absolutely
What I’m saying is that 2011’s numbers as a whole are deceiving to use as a baseline because the staff changed drastically during the season. For instance, Alex White and Drew Pomeranz will probably help the team more in 2012 than the little they showed in 2011. However, that doesn’t mean the pitching for the season will automatically get better because part of that would be compared against the great pitching we got in the Spring and not aginst the awful outings we got in the second half.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Thinking about the lineup...
Does anyone else think that Chris Iannetta should bat second? I don’t think Tracy would move him up there since the second basemen HAS to bat second apparently, but I think it would make use of Iannetta’s biggest strength.
If they’re going to try the whole Fowler leading off and stealing thing, it would be great to have a high OBP guy in Iannetta to get on base for Cargo and Tulo. Plus, Iannetta sees a lot of pitches so that would give Fowler plenty of opportunities to steal.
It seems like such a waste for Iannetta’s .370 OBP to bat 8th and get on base for the pitcher. Just a thought.
I like Chris, but he’s not nearly good enough of a bat to hit second in a competitive lineup.
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I also don't want a pregnant hippopotamus
Batting in front of Carlos and Tulo. The #2 hitter doesn’t have to be a speed demon, but you want someone there who has a shot at scoring from first on a double.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I think his OBP would play well there.
If it ain’t him batting second, it should be Helton, that’s for sure.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 3, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I think he can bunt though...
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If you put him 2nd, his OBP wouldn't be .370
He racks up a good chunk of that because he bats 8th the pitchers won’t give him anything to hit because the pitcher is behind him. He would see more strikes batting in front of Cargo and Tulo.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
oh RIRF, you actually believe protection exists.
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so by that logic, he'd probably have a higher batting average as well, as he'd be given better pitches to hit, right?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
and much better power numbers as he would see much better pitches
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I would guess that his BA and SLG% would go up but his OBP would go down.
OPS would probably stay the same. (Just a guess though)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd argue his OBP would stay constant
as the reduced BB numbers would become, you know, hits.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Chris Iannetta has a bad batting average.
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I think he'd see a greater percentage of strikes he could not hit.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Yes, that very same batter that makes contact with 75.4% of pitches he swings at.
Foagie, your bias is showing.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And two thirds of the zone is not his to use.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
When he swings, he makes contact with 70.8% of pitches in the strike zone.
Again. you’re completely off base with this one.
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It's actually even higher than that
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
whoops, wrong column
82%.
Game.
Set.
Match.
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by Muzia on Oct 3, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's of pitches he swings at.
He really makes consistent contact in a small part of the zone. High middle to inside. He did improve over last year low and away. The rest is Meh.
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I’m glad you’re able to support your thesis here.
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Find a hot zone chart.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
That tells me that he is a liablility for pitches on the corners.
And that could be a result of umpires not calling a consistent strike zone, or he just isn’t very good at hitting balls painted on the corners.
Get well soon Juan.
I have seen him backwards K on
many a questionable call
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maybe he'll improve at fouling those off
if he doesn’t think he’s going to get pitched around all the time. Just a thought though with no really backing…
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he's one of the better pitch-wasters in MLB
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s also probably the most common type of hot zone for a MLB hitter.
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Yeah but as extreme as it is it speaks of someone
with a very good eye
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Case and Point
http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/images/MLB/hotzone_right.jpg
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or an excellent example
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/joey-votto/hotzone/443857
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or someone who you might think would
profile the same http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/mark-reynolds/hotzone/461477
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see, if he was better at framing, he'd know those are strikes based on the catcher behind him
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow that is the profile of the guy you do not want
hitting #8, the more you make pitchers pitch to him the nastier he gets
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Is this 2011
or career?
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2011
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
thanks
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Lastyear CDI was more high and tight.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Heh.
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Hot zone wise.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Dexter Fowler's hotzone(s)
is interesting, aside from the fact that he’s White apparently:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/dexter-fowler/hotzone/765795
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I really want these Zones in triple slash format
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I just want them home and away
Also, a lot of people on our team outside of Smith seem to suck with inside pitches.
Also, Ian Stewart’s hotzone was the exact opposite of Iannetta’s. Meaningless, but interesting?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Means he was not making good contact
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duhhh
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I am just surprised he had enough
hits to make him decent anywhere in the zones this year
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probably small samples in those
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What a surprise
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
It's a good debate but I just don't see his average going up that much
And considering the gap between his average and his OBP is about 130 points, it seems unlikely that number doesn’t take a big hit. Number two hitters just don’t see that type of spread there.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Dexter Fowler has been pretty close
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Touche
Although usually the gap between avg. and OBP is smallest in the #2 hole. (Sans the #9 spot of course)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know about second
though it’s worth a shot. But I’d really want him batting 9th. I think we could better leverage Dex’s and CarGo’s slugging abilities.
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I would rather move Cargo up to 2nd..
If we don’t have a better option. He actually profiles well in this spot as a linedrive hitting LH batter with speed. He would have the 1B gap from holding Dex on and he would receive more fastballs from pitchers trying to control the running game.
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by Charlie77 on Oct 3, 2011 12:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
sounds good to me
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If CarGo
were to bat second, then I’d really want CDI batting 9th.
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Giants are one step closer to signing Jimmy Rollins this offseason.
Toss in the fact that he’ll be 33 years old next month and a five-year commitment would be incredibly risky for any team.
This screams of a Sabean “impact” signing.
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this is true
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Poor Brandon Belt. :(
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(I have my doubts he’ll be a good MLB regular)
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I really don't know yet.
I can’t even defend my statement, at all. His minor league numbers are sparkling.
I just have my doubts about him.
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I think he's actually be a good pickup for them for a season or two
They’ll pay if thye give him several years though.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Rollins seem way too young
for the Giants to be signing as a SS.
I figured Larry Bowa and Shawon Dunston would be on Sabean’s radar.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Phil Rizzuto
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 3, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow Dan Szlsjghpghski from Fangraphs put the market as
Aramis 3/36
Willingham 3/25-3/30
I suspect that first number is inaccurate
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That’s an awful lot for Willingham…
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really? 3 years at 8.5-10?
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He has a career 121 OPS+ Plus as a 32 YO Jason Bay has a 125 OPS+
granted he was two years younger but he got 5/65
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Why do you want Willingham?
He only hit .246 last year and .208 against lefties. 29 HRs are certainly an upside over Smith, but we really need someone who can hit lefties to split time with Smith (assuming he’s on the team next year).
by DesertTurtle on Oct 3, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
because that .208 came from a .216 BABIP and still was good for a .783 OPS
and has a Career .862 OPS against LHP
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Just saw the career numbers. They aren’t terrible. Still doesn’t instill much confidence in me if this is the big FA signing.
by DesertTurtle on Oct 3, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
It's important to remember that he's always played in pitcher parks
Notice that his road numbers for his career are higher then his home stats
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I have trouble believing that a guy who was traded for Corey Brown and Henry Rodriguez just last offseason is going to get $10mil a year this offseason.
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Maybe but I wouldn't have thought that Jazz Hands was going to get 19 million
but I would have been wrong
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Where is Jonah Hill when you need him?
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It was a quality film
I did really like that particular scene. Scouts spouting mostly useless hochum, and Beane bashing them over the head with OBP. I found it humorous.
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smith is better than willingham
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Ianetta's 2011 Rankings Among Catchers with over 300 PAs.
AVG: 18th (.238)
OBP: 4th (.370)
SLG: 14th (.414)
OPS: 9th (.785)
wOBA: 8th (.347)
wRC+: 8th (108)
Note that if you restrict this search to C over 400 PAs,
his ratings are much higher.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
so
do we trade him or just non-tender him?
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can we send him to framing school over the winter?
i hear torrealba’s free in a couple weeks…
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I hope he figures out
how to frame Jim Tracy. That would be awesomeeeee
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embezzlement
bootlegging, slander, reproducing televised baseball broadcasts without express, written consent, whatever
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Tax fraud is probably the easiest
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OT: Why no Todd-beard?
in these?
Atleast ’Cutch gets some respect.
And it’s kind of funn that Wilson’s is the only women’s one.
The Jason Heyward one reminds me of Chris Iannetta for some reason, even though he doesn't have that beard.
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by Greg Stanwood on Oct 3, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, a little
I liked Chris’s fu-manchu that he had early on.
coco crisp is the best of these
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That's an insult to women everywhere
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
that's......weird
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 3, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, Todd should definitely get one
Hope he does soon.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 3, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
We should start a petition
but who do we send it to?
Does anyone know the details of the park adjustment on wRC+ ?
It seems to me that you have to adjust differently for a team’s road games then for home games. Is the same road adjustment applied to all teams or does each team get a different one? Please tell me they don’t apply our home park factor to our road games.
This is a problem with most park-adjusted stats.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I mean, wouldn't the park adjustments
of those other parks just come into play for the road games, and then that would just all get aggregated piece by piece to arrive at the composite number?
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That's what makes sense to me
you’d have to weigh each park factor by the number of games played in each.
I'm pretty sure each component is weighted based on the park it happened in
My guy goes out and hits a homer in Coors, then hits a homer in Petco. He’s going to get less credit for the Coors one, more for the Petco one, obviously, but it’s not just “end of season ok Rockies get like 50% off because of Coors”, they get credited with the performances where they took place.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm really excited for tonight's game
If Verlander can win, then the entire Yankee season is riding on the arm of A.J. Burnett.
Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please let this happen.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:29 AM MDT reply actions
Tulo nominated for Hank Aaron Award (Renck tweets)
Troy Tulowitzki is Rox’s nominee for Hank Aaron award
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I'm pretty sure the Hank Aaron award has a separate winner in each league
And I’m also pretty sure that neither Jeter nor Tulowitzki will be taking home the hardware.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Anyone think Grady Sizemore has anything left as a corner OF?
by BostonTransplant on Oct 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe but way risky
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Grady Sizemore in the corner at $1 Mil is not very risky to me
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 3, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
meh
if we’re going to sign an injury prone outfielder, beltran would be a way better risk to take. the potential return on sizemore at this point in time is pretty little.
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He just turned 29
And every year he’s played 100 games he’s been a solid player. Risk in injury, of course, but if we get lucky the guy is insanely talented.
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Way better risk?
In a way, sure. But not for the money difference.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Got to go to a meeting I look forward to continueing the debate.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
the article foagie is referencing is very flawed
just finished reading it, here’s the link for any interested:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/wowy_and_catcher_framing/
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Here is the key:
Article: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15093
Jeff Zimmerman and Kurt Romeiser reviewed video for strike calls lost by Zack Greinke in 2010 with Kendall and Pena behind the plate. This is the only other extensive review of catcher technique in conjunction with PITCHf/x data of which I am aware. They noted that some of the strikes were lost due to Greinke missing the catcher target or due to glove movement by the catcher. However, some of the calls they attributed simply to a blown call by the umpire. In at least a few of those cases, I note that the catcher dropped his head to follow the pitch into the glove.
Basically, the only way to observe that catcher framing actually had an effect on the call is to watch EVERY pitch. If you don’t do this, you’re assuming that he borderline calls are because of the catcher. When, as mentioned in this quote, the borderline calls may be attributed just to the umpire blowing the call.
In addition to this, you have your observer bias when you’re watching these pitches and trying to determine what happened.
I also reviewed five of Posada’s borderline pitches on video. In two cases, his arm and body movements were very exaggerated and potentially distracting to the umpires. In the other three cases, his body and glove were fairly stable (though not perfectly so like Lucroy), but he dropped his head noticeably to follow the ball into the glove. All five pitches were called balls.
The writer is just looking for things that might have caused the umpire to miss the call. It’s all just really squishy.
When it comes down to it, if there was a statistically-valid effect here, it should be easy to compare effect of different pitchers with the same catcher and different catchers with the same pitcher. That has not been done. It hasn’t been done, because there’s no statistically-valid effect.
Side note
If we’re picking guys off the scrap heap again, I want to see the physicist back in purple.
He will be two years removed from shoulder surgery, cheap and I bet he pitches over 200 innings next year.
[I’m off to go hide now]
oh you're friggin' dead
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Do you think he has hard feelings against the Rockies for trading him?
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
I thought he left via free agency?
and at any rate, nahhhhh
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He did leave via free agency
Random hypothetical question: who would you rather have next year as a 5th starter? Millwood or Francis?
eh whoever wants less money?
or whoever seems like a better bet to walk less people (‘cause I’m prioritizing giving us innings)
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You're right...my error. He wanted to stay from what I recall
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
nothing seemed tense about the parting
it seemed like solid baseball moves at the time.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
okay, but given his druthers I bet he would have stayed if he was asked.:)
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Absolutely
Had Cook sustained bigger pitching injuries in the past, it would’ve been interesting to see how a Cook vs Francis decision would have gone down.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
we did ask him to stay
just on a minor league contract
Interesting to see how it would have played out
knowing what we do now…hindsight and all :)
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
see: Paulino, Felipe
I WISH
THAT
I KNEW WHAT I KNOW NOW
A-WHEN I WAS YOUNGER
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
my god are you an awful singer
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It's the material...
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
hey!
that’s just a dickish thing to say, you haven’t even hear-
ah who am I kidding.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
probably not
KC gave him a shot in the rotation, practically guaranteed, and the Rockies just didn’t seem to have room.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
FIRE O'DOWD
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Another hypothetical question: Would you rather have
Francis at 4-5mm per year for the next two years or Wandy Rodriguez for 36mm over the next three years?
canada
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Yeah but which part of Canada?
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the part with the stuff
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There's parts?
Based on what? Cold and Colder? Empty and Emptier? Team Gretzky and Team Richard?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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You can bash every part of Canada
but Vancouver. Vancouver Rocks…
oh you know who’s from Vancouver…The Physicist. Yup. It’s true!
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psh, it's just seattle north
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Not really.
It’s far more cosmopolitan, and is less overcast and dreary
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Calgary is pretty awesome too, IMO
also has a couple similarities with Denver
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
I agree with this, judging by the short time I was there.
It’s also close to Banff/Jasper area, which is awesome.
I've not been but I can see this
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Francis
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ll take the pitcher on the shorter contract 99 times out of 100
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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For the DOD detractors,
here’s a look at a good thing he did compared to some bad things that others did.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/baseballs-newest-100mm-players-one-year-in.html
Dealin' Dan
has done a fine job. The addition of Wiggy at the time looked decent. Locked up CarGo on a 7 year deal when nobody thought it to be possible. Also, he brought back DLR below what the market was offering him. Can’t fault DOD for the failures of Jim Tracy, the lack of clutch hitting and the poor pitching by Ubaldo and others. Speaking of Ubaldo- he didn’t sign him to an extension which may turn out to look like a stroke of genius.
I think you can blame him for a many things,
but there are some who think that he is the worst GM in baseball. Here’s a nice comparative sampling of why he might not be all that bad.
Definitely not anywhere close to being the worst GM.
Middle third, IMO.
The “Lopez for 2B” last year was massive fail, though.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I can count
a number of things DOD has done that turned into positives, starting with the Matt Holliday trade.
-Tulo lifetime deal
-CarGo long term deal
-Helton contract restructure
-Betancourt trade
-Belisle resurrection
-Lindstrom for nothing
-Allowing Matzek to go outside of the organization to find his arm again
Failures that come to mind
Lopez- biggest failure of DOD
-Paulino
-The Boston reliever (name escapes me at the moment)
-Not inking Ubaldo to a long term deal
-Trading Ubaldo (good move IMO)
-Poor draft/develop outside of Tulo <
Not firing Jim Tracy for not firing everyone but Bob Apodaca only cause we lost the next 13 of 14 games after he came over if memory serves correctly
-Octavio Dotel
-Allowing Root sports to use Drew Goodman as a play by play guy (can’t even watch with the sound on anymore)
Not inking Ubaldo
should be in the positives column
I was about to slap you
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know why
half of that post is crossed out. I’m board code retarded.
you're not alone, it's very finicky
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
-Octavio Dotel only cause we lost the next 13 of 14 games after he came over if memory serves correctly
I’m pretty happy with Trevor Story.
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very true
I basically put that in there in jest. I don’t truly think Dotel was the reason for the down turn.
and you're thinking of Manny Delcarmen
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
don't forget jorge de la rosa
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below market
I agree DLR was a good sign. I referred to that in an earlier post.
I liked the Beimel acquisitions
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
ah yes
I forgot about Beimel. “God’s gonna cut you down”
The Hammel trade was good
maybe pushing for a humidor at AAA?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
trading for marquis
especially with the cubs chipping in cash
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I've always felt that DOD was a very good GM.
I still feel this way, but I’m not quite as sure as I used to be. His recent comments indicating that he has no idea what direction the franchise is going in are somewhat disturbing, especially since he made a major move this summer.
rays/rangers game 3
hell of a duel between lewis and price
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COLBY FREAKING LEWIS!?
Never would’ve thought he’d be throwing this well. I thought this was an easy W for the Rays.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 3, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
price isn't getting anything borderline
maybe jaso should work on his framing…
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Alfonzo for Wade Davis
MAKE IT HAPPEN O’DOWD
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Welp Rangers lead 2-1 now....
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Rays back to within 1
Jennings hits HR 4-3 Rangers bottom of 8th
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this desmond jennings guy
is a total boss
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meh
upton’s a very good baserunner, maddon was taking a calculated risk
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Poor calculation.
It didn’t make sense. He only has six outs left. You don’t risk one when you’ve got your best hitter at the plate. That could be the series right there.
And agan, why?
If Upton had stolen second, they would have walked Longoria anyway. There was no reason for him to steal.
why have we never discussed trading for bj upton on here?
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He's terrible at framing pitches
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by Junction Rox on Oct 3, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
I had to text Matt after reading this
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Because we have Dexter, CarGo and Smith/Blackmon/Wiggy/Ey
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those last 4 names are exactly why we should discuss him, i think
yeah, he’s never been linked to us despite constant rumors, but he’d be a great fit in LF; negligible platoon splits as RHB, great baserunner, good-to-great defender, good leverage and RISP splits. could you imagine an upton/dex/cargo outfield, both offensively and defensively?
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i've found a new cause to champion
yay
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He's only had one really good season.
That was four years ago. He’s a good player, but he’s going to get paid a lot more than he’s worth.
2007 WAR: 4.5
2010: 4.0
2011: 4.1
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his worst wRC+ in a full season is 113
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His best is 138 in 2007.
Outside of that, 118, 88, 113, 115.
Good. Not great. At this point, Dexter Fowler, who is two years younger, could meet up with his stats.
but what if we had both
that’s the appeal, you see
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I'd rather have a guy who can put up
a 120 or higher wRC+ consistently. We need a power bat more than a glove.
he's also got weird H/R splits
surely some coors boost would come, but there’s some oddity in those numbers.
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But, back to the point,
Upton’s going to get paid much more than Dexter Fowler. If we could have both at the same price, great. But BJ is going to make bank.
I don't know if his cost will be justified.
The Rays are basically letting everyone know that it won’t be. It puts them in a bad position.
never had a full season below 2.4 WAR
solidifies the outfield, and top of the order
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Y'know what would make these playoff games better?
More pitching changes.
Extra innings would help that
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If this game goes extra innings....
they’ll be bringing pitchers out of retirement to throw a third of an inning.
I'm up for it
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Now pitching for the Rangers....
…number 34, Nolan Ryan.
To be serious for a moment....
The pace of post-season baseball games is testing my patience. On occasion, ESPN Classic would run games from the 68 or 71 World Series, and you’d see pitchers stay on the rubber, batters stay in the box and maybe 10 seconds max between deliveries.
When you combine the camera hogging dramatics of today’s hitters and pitchers with crazy overmanaging, you get relatively low scoring 9 inning games that go four plus hours. That ain’t how to get kids and teenagers watching your sport….
When you combine the camera hogging dramatics of today’s hitters
People come to see exactly this
seriously
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You think?
I’d expect that the trill of watching a guy fiddle with his velco would wear thin at some point.
That come to see the big hits.
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Four plus hours?
That’s almost as long as football.
The commercials are longer
than the regular season as well (or at least I think they are).
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Wiggy makes that play..:)
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Carlos Pena makes that play.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Klaw tweets
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Mike Adams stunned by Jennings home run because at Petco that’s caught by the shortstop
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by SDcat09 on Oct 3, 2011 6:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The Rays did more damage to Mike Adams in one inning
than the NL West did in his whole tenure with the Padres.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 3, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
that's for sure
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That was a HELL of a turn
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It helps that Shoppach is really, really slow.
But yeah, well done by the Rangers.
Hell of a play to end one hell of a game
This has the feel of a 5 game series though
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Whenever I see a guy throwing 99 MPH and in the strike zone....
as a Rockies fan, I get serious Closer Envy.
Why can’t we have one of those? Just once? Must my life be a procession of Bruce Ruffins, and Jose Jiminezes and Huston Streets? No knock on those guys, but damn, I just want one flamethrowing shut down closer.
Every time I see the Rays, I get draft and development envy.
Also manager-with-cool-glasses envy.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
I think half of my Maddon coveting is the glasses
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Hurdle could have pulled that off if he grew his hair out
He has kind of a “cool middle age guy” thing going like Maddon. Unfortunately, the comparison stops there.
Um...
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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not closing yet
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In time...
In time…
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Go Tigers
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I always forget how gigantic CC Sabathia is
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He is pitcher of unusual size
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POUS?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
he is a large man
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I had a dream last night that he opted out of that contract and signed with Philly to make the greatest rotation ever
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions
you dream about weird things
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
You have no idea
This is among the more realistic things I’ve dreamed about.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm watching Justin Verlander vs CC Sabathia and listening to Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band on vinyl
and prepping chicken for asian chicken salad.
good night.
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I guarantee the Beatles will live up to their billing.
So far, Verlander and CC not so much. The Asian chicken salad could go either way, so good luck with that.
Also, who didn't see that Russel Martin GIDP coming from a mile away?
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It's almost like when they built Comerica Park
They said we are going to make a place that is the exact opposite of Tigers stadium. Everything there was small and crowded with the fans on top of you. Everything is this stadium on the other hand is enormous; the outfield dimentions, the foul ground, the dugouts, the backdrop.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:11 PM MDT reply actions
and miguel cabrera still hits like a madman there
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Cabrera is easily one of the most underrated hitters in the gaem
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
he really is
he gets a DUI and everybody freaks out, but nobody seems to want to talk about this
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It should be interesting to see how Verlander and CC fare from here on out....
It’s a truism that you can sometimes get to a great pitcher early but once that window is closed, it’s closed. Pitching on short rest, it will be very interesting to see if that holds true. Normally, I’d expect CC to find the plate from here on out and Verlander to shut the Yanks down going forward. But tonight? I don’t know….
What a waste by the Tigers offense
Four walks and you didn’t come close to scoring a run. That pisses me off.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:20 PM MDT reply actions
I think you'd be used to that outcome by now
/Rockies 2011’d
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the 3-6-1 DP...
started by miguel “i should be DHing” cabrera of all people
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C'mon Detroit
Cash this opportunity in
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:33 PM MDT reply actions
done and done
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They let him of the hook again though
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Need Verlander to be money now
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
The Tigers should have about 7 runs right now
Sabathia has thrown 63 pitches in 3 innings and has only wiggled out of trouble through three double plays.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:45 PM MDT reply actions
Or to put it another way
Sabathia has gotten six outs on three pitches and has only three outs on the othre 60.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh blech it's John Smoltz
I do like Ron Darling though
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At Yankee Stadium
That’s a HR
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 7:57 PM MDT reply actions
I swear I could hit a HR at Yankee Stadium
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I am not but that doesn't matter
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She has oppostie field power
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Tiggers? Boo!
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No, I'm rooting for the Tigers.
Not a Winnie the Pooh character.
Not that I don’t adore Tigger.
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Tee Eye Double Guh Err
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The wonderful thing about Tiggers
Is Tiggers are wonderful things
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
C'mon Tigers!!!!! Rip their faces off
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:05 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad we get to see a great pitching duel.
And can we have Verlander? Pretty please? With our farm on top?
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Verlander is getting dialed in now
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:10 PM MDT reply actions
woo hoo! Tigers score!
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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
YEAH BABY
Tigers lead!!!! (There are not many parks that hold that ball)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:19 PM MDT reply actions
6 away right now
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions
And the only reason he's not in th showers already is the DP ball
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Sabathia is struggling the get the ball over on a pitch out
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:21 PM MDT reply actions
top of the lineup coming
cmon, boys
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
oh sweet merciful crap, if you haven't yet seen Eric Foster's ankle injury on Monday Night Football,
um, do yourself a favor and uh, don’t.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 3, 2011 8:29 PM MDT reply actions
i've seen enough ankle injuries this year, thanks
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Is it worse than Drew's?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
yes
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 3, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
it was a Theismann-LT-esque moment.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 3, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Theismann's was worse.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Bad
But not that bad
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Well now of course I'm going to watch it
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
i warned ya
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 3, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
It wasn't that bad.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
It was bad, but I've seen worse.
Like Theismann, and the basketball player that blew out his kneecap. Those made me sick to my stomach.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Ankles never really bother me that much for some reason
Two of the biggest hits for me were Willis McGahe’s (I’m sure I spelled that wrong) knee when at Miami and the Johnny Damon/Damion Jackson head to head collision.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the Mike Cameron head to head as thw worst I've seen.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
McGahee's just seemed worse, mostly due to I've had my knee blow up before.
but ankle injuries creep me out.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 3, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions
verlander is in full gear now
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Baseball is really fun when you're rooting fo the badass on the mound
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:36 PM MDT reply actions
That's hilarious
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
wow, girardi left sabathia in there?
that’s a poor decision, i reckon
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Yep
Went to that well one too many times
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
He was lucky to get through as many innings as he did
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions
i reckoned right
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Ya reckon?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
That was almost a disaster for the Yankees
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:43 PM MDT reply actions
It's possible that was the last pitch Sabathia will ever throw for the Yankees
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:44 PM MDT reply actions
Wait, what?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
he can opt-out of his contract after this season
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
And the Red Sox and Cubs have a bunch of money and need an ace
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
i don't think sabathia would sign with either of those teams,
he wants to win.
he’ll probably stay in new york, just with a higher AAV.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
The Yankees are the most likely address for him next season but there's enough juice here to seriously consider other possibilities
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
No doubt
But Cliff Lee showed us last year that anything can happen with this. My real hope is that he opts out and forces the Yankees to give him a contract that is too many years AND too much money.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions
i dunno
he’s said publicly before he’d like to be in oakland at some point, and will probably go 5 years in new york and then sign there at the end of his career
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Can we get some Yankee fans
to spit on Mrs. Sabathia?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
You never miss a trick do you?
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Not if I can help it...
my pimp beats me if I do….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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JFK's Quote of the Day:
“Youngsters of Little League can survive under-coaching a lot better than over-coaching.” ~Willie Mayes
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
man, if only avila could frame pitches
that was strike 3, 4, and 5
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Verlander is a beast
Supporting efforts to create a genetic splice of Jonathan Herrera and Troy Tulowitzki since 2011.
The NewNugs 2011 - Officially back on the Bandwagon
I <3 Johnson
verlander getting annoyed
bringing out the serious heat
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Well crap
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:04 PM MDT reply actions
The gaps are bigger here than anywhere else in baseball
Somebody hasn’t been to Coors Field
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:05 PM MDT reply actions
Was that Smoltz?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Because I think Darling is smarter than that
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Darling is the worst ever
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think you have him confused with Rod Dibble
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
nope
no I don’t.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It was actually Darling (whose usually pretty good)
I guess the TBS effect is rubbing off on him
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
whose who’s
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Woot Delmon Young!!!!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
OT: I haven't followed this too much,
but Amanda Knox really isn’t that good-looking. I mean, she’s kind of cute. She’s the girl in the dorm that you you end up with after you strikeout with her really hot roommate. Anyway, I’m not getting all of the gushing over her being this maniacal sex-goddess.
who is amanda knox
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
She was the college girl convicted of murdering her roommate
in Italy. The conviction was overturned today
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Did she get A's in her classes after that?
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe in prison for the last 4 years
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Hard to get A's when you're in prison
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Looks are deceiving
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
she's pretty enough i suppose
but petro’s description is spot-on
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Sure.
But so many of the stories mentions how pretty she is, how attractive she is, etc. She’s just not all that.
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
????
What does this mean? You can’t use looks to figure out how pretty some one is?
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
this is correct
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm saying that if you go only by looks
you might be missing the ride of your life…so to speak. And sometimes a person’s attractiveness is not solely based on looks.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
he's not gonna start two games
but by god he’s gonna throw as many pitches as he would if he did!
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I dunno he got out of that
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Threw 8 with a lead
Perfect
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:25 PM MDT reply actions
120 pitches
jeez
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I think Verlander is safer on the mound
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
lol, after 120 pitches?
ok dusty baker
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I was referring to him getting hit with a foul ball
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
yeah, gameday does not tell us these things
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I can't believe he rubbed where it hit him...
DON’T RUB IT!
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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Killer V's....
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heh
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't
I listened to all of side one and then went for a ride with Carlos.
He rented a Charger, seeing how his car is in the shop.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 3, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Duck!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Goose!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Siddown Jeter!!! Suck it Yankees!!!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I fear I won't get a damn thing done tomorrow
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Three possible elimination games too
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
SWEETNESS!!!!!!
The New York Yankees are….
ONE GAME……
NINE INNINGS…..
27 OUTS……..
OR 81 STRIKES…..
away from ELIMINATION!!!!!!!!
And the best part, the season is riding on A.J. Burnett’s arm.
HAHAHAHAHA
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 9:56 PM MDT reply actions
Something to read before you go to bed:
Is this good news or bad news?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
It's not news at all.
What Kind of Baseball Fan Are You? by Jason Gay
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 3, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Okay thanks. I just hate reading depressing news before bed.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I like the sleep-deprived fourth grader.
“Would trade Justin Bieber for cash and prospects.”
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
I feel like I'm somewhere between hardcore and the sleep deprived fourth grader.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I think the 4th grader is a hard core fan in the making
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I was that sleep deprived 4th grader
and now I’m close to fanatic so I would agree with you.
/my sleepless nights as a 4th grader were due to playing baseball and homework (I didn’t watch too much until 12)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Are you going to run the Cubs in 6 years though?
that might be more important than trading Bieber
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Certainly as pointless
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Oh wow, me too, I think.
Knows more about baseball than parents.
Check.
Writes fan mail toTrue story.RaysRockies GMAndrew FriedmanDan O’Dowd.
Would trade Justin Bieber forJust git him away from Coors!cash and prospectsmaybe a little cash and a PTBNL.
Doesn’t mind late-starting evening games.Love them.
StashingTrue story.Red BullCoffee under bed for energy. Falling asleep the next day in geography. Folks about to get concerned phone call from teacher. Unworried about getting grounded.
Will run Cubs in six years.
Okay.
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Except I was in 7th grade when I started.
I’m also probably the Hardcore and Romantic.
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
PiP. You lost with running Cubs. I though you knew better
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'm gonna run them into the ground....duh.
Oh wait….
They’re already there. nvrmnd
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 3, 2011 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's the plan
1) Become Cubs GM
2) Watch the Cubs suck
3) Draft excellent talent with the high draft picks and trade it to the Rockies
(Repeat steps 2 and 3)
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
that was in a Montgomery Burns voice, right?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Oct 3, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
The Shameless Late arrival is the worst
The Happy Bandwagoner annoys me too, but can’t blame him liking Zooey Deschanel.
I like the spectrum of "lots of hair" on the left to "no hair" on the right on the TBS post game show
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 3, 2011 10:14 PM MDT reply actions
Girardi did a lot of whining about the strike zone
in the postgame press conference. Because, you know, the Yanks just never get a call to go their way…
Must be taking a page from Tony Excussa’s playbook.
the strike zone was horrible in both games for all teams
so, not really sure what you’re implying..
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I don't think Sabathia got squeezed any worse
than Verlander did. And when Valverde was trying to finish the 9th against Derek Jeter, that AB was absolutely not going to end until Jeter took a swing.
So Girardi and other MLB managers sit through game after game in which the strike zone is ridiculously small, but all is okay as long as their team ends up winning 9-7 in a 4- hour-and-37 minute game. But lose a big game, and suddenly their star pitcher was the victim of bad umpiring. That’s what I’m implying.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 4, 2011 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions
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