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Sunday Rockpile: So maybe there is a starting pitcher that the Rockies should be looking at

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After I went over several available starters via in Thursday's Rockpile, Troy Renck brought up a few more on Friday. Most I had looked at and dismissed, and today I'll explain why, while one I definitely should have mentioned. Surprisingly, in the comments to Friday's Rockpile nobody latched on to him as I have. 

Wandy Rodriguez - In a vacuum, I like the idea of adding Rodriguez to the Rockies rotation. He would improve the team for 2012, I have little doubt of that, and I think it's pretty clear that Houston could try to move him this winter. The trouble is the cost that improvement for the Rockies would require likely doesn't justify it. Rodriguez will cost $36 million over the next three seasons and he will also cost the Rockies a prospect or group of prospects that the team will likely be better off not dealing. Even if the Rockies somehow get Ed Wade to back off the demands of Wilin Rosario and/or Drew Pomeranz (and why should he now, with more competition for Rodriguez's services?) the resulting prospect package added to the salary outlay likely won't be worth it. Both the money and prospects should instead be utilized to fill multiple holes rather than just the one. By the way, to find out how Wade works, read this article about the Michael Bourn trade, the good news to glean from it is that Wade will back off of his top prospect demands if he gets offered a package that's attractive enough to him. I still have doubt's whether this will work out in Rodriguez's case, however. 

Ricky Nolasco - I really would like this, but the Marlins seem more likely to keep Nolasco and deal Chris Volstad given all the reports I've read out of Florida, as the Marlins are looking to add the same kind of veteran starters the Rockies are looking at and even go a step further than the Rockies, as they're also looking at expensive free agents like C.J. Wilson and Mark Buerhle. Nolasco right now seems very much in their plans for 2012. Rockies fans looking to Florida for help should focus for the moment on Volstad. Should the Marlins sign Wilson, it could be that they revisit trading Nolasco instead to offset the salary add.

Carl Pavano - I don't know if it's registered yet for O'Dowd how bad of an idea this is. Like the Marlins, the Twins are trolling for more starting pitching, and right now seem intent on keeping Pavano as a staff anchor. Given his expiring contract, he should be available, but the cost of acquiring him will far surpass the expected return on the field, and unlike the case with Wandy Rodriguez, there's little assurance that return on the field will actually be of benefit to the team.

Wade Davis - I lumped Davis in with James Shields and Jeff Niemann the other day as fool's gold, because the Rays have a lot of leverage right now in picking among multiple suitors for the best available offer. Everybody's looking to Tampa for starting help, and whatever team winds up getting it from them will get the short end of the stick as with options available for prospects Alex Cobb and Matt Moore, there's no real imperative for the Rays to deal any of the three more experienced starters until they've got a deal that they win. All three of these pitchers would be solid adds, and Davis' contract is particularly attractive, but the likely prospect cost makes it seem unfeasible to me. 

So now that I've given a thumbs down to most of Renck's starting pitching ideas, let's give a roaring thumbs up to the one I think should be aggressively pursued by Dan O'Dowd:

Star-divide

John Danks - Kenny Williams has publicly stated that he'll trade Danks only for "major-league ready" players, meaning that he's limiting the prospects that he's listening about to the AA level and above. As is the case with Rodriguez, if the Rockies can keep Williams from fixating on Rosario and/or Pomeranz, this actually could make a lot of sense for Colorado, depending on how much the White Sox GM would want to raid out of that White/Gardner/Friedrich/Wheeler/Blackmon/Pacheco/Field group. Danks has two 200 IP seasons under his belt already and will only be 27 next season. Given that the flame throwing southpaw doesn't have major issues, produces at a solid #2 starter level and is available, I'd rank him ahead of Volstad at the top of my pitching wishlist. After a down season in 2011 that was still nonetheless pretty impressive in the peripherals, Danks will likely cost $8 million or less in salary. Like a couple of the pitchers I brought up Thursday, he's eligible for free agency after 2012, but as far as the available one season rentals go while the Rockies other arms recover and develop, he's likely the best possible solution.

Renck's most recent piece is a "culture of winning" article that while I think most of us feel it exists and is likely needed more in the Rockies clubhouse, philosophically it's difficult to prove, and you can forget trying to go about it empirically. 

My opinion on the pending Jason Giambi return: I noticed a lot of Sturm und Drang yesterday in the Rockpile over the news, but I don't really get it. As was the case this past season, if at any point Giambi proves less valuable to the Rockies than some prospect more deserving of the roster spot, then it's not going to be too hard for the team to figure out a way to open a path. How hard can it be to find a DL worthy malady in a 42 year old bench bat? Giambi was more than worth what the Rockies paid for him, whatever issues the Rockies have had the last three seasons, they aren't with Giambi. Given that constant DL flexibility, he doesn't waste 25 man roster space, and as to the 40 man, it's very unlikely that a Rule 5 pick will prove more valuable. Teams are about as likely to find MLB value in the minor league free agent pool, and they don't require the strict roster rules that Rule 5 picks do.

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danks would thrill me

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 30, 2011 9:35 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

That's an understatement.

I really don’t know what type of players it would take to acquire him.

Seth Smith + an arm?

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by Muzia on Oct 30, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

smith+friedrich

done and done

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by papality on Oct 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

for one year, coming off a down season?

smith replaces pierre in the outfield, and friedrich takes danks’s spot in the rotation… i think it’s not unreasonable

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by papality on Oct 30, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Friedrich likely isn't considered highly enough to make it work, but I think CentralCaliRox may be underestimating Smith's value

I think this is pretty close to fair for one season of Danks. I’d argue that Smith and White would be worth it and reasonable from the Rockies end.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Friedrich isn't good enough to make it work, IMO.

White is. but I wouldn’t want to include him, so I’d try to make the ChiSox bite on a Cabrera-Wheeler type of package.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if Cabrera-Wheeler outweighs Smith-Friedrich as far as trade packages go.

To me those seem fairly similar. what you gain in skill with Cabrera over Friedrich, you lose in MLB certainty of the players involved, and this seems to go against Williams’ stated desire for MLB ready players. Both packages are probably on the low end of what the Sox would be looking for and probably not quite enough.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would add more to Cabrera-Wheeler package.

I really think Wheeler needs to be traded this offseason. But you’re right, neither package will probably do it.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually think Charlie Blackmon might be more attractive to Williams than Wheeler

He’s a better defender and can play all three OF slots, is good at stealing bases and making contact and playing small-ball when he has to, but he has a nice line drive oriented bat which Williams typically likes. I think Blackmon plus White still would work and get the job done. I really don’t know if any other Rockies pitcher fits. Friedrich is close, but we both agree he’s not quite enough. I doubt they’d be that interested in Esmil Rogers. Maybe Rex Brothers would work, but other than that, I think you’ve got to go up in the pitcher ladder to Pomeranz/Nicasio/Chacin rather than down.

The one exception would possibly be Bettis, as he might be close enough to MLB ready to entice Williams to go for a high-A player instead. I don’t think Cabrera works in the same way as scouts are wary of change-up specialists in the minors. You probably are too and that’s why you thought to offer him.

I think any combination of Blackmon, White, Brothers or Bettis would cut it. You fill two holes for them while opening only one. All four have enough “potential impact” to be an enticement.

Of course, the one player we haven’t mentioned that we’d likely be able to make a one for one trade for Danks is Dexter Fowler.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent analysis.

Agreed with everything you said here.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too, even knowing we would overpay

But everybody overpays for starting pitching, so it doesn’t leave you much choice when you’re a team that needs innings.

by Northsider1964 on Oct 30, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's likely going to be much less of an overpay with Danks than any of the other primary trade scenarios the Rockies are looking at.

because there’s a good combination of a motivated seller, a good age and skillset with Danks to get a high likelihood of a strong return, and a relatively low dollar cost in terms of salary. There likely will be better bargains available at the higher risk end of the available pitching pool, but Danks appears to be the best target of the more proven, relatively safe starters.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't really saying 'overpay' in a negative way

More like, “you’re going to overpay no matter which direction you turn, so err on the side of quality instead of fretting the price.”

by Northsider1964 on Oct 30, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too..

WANT. It’ll be expensive though.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

RG, can you write this in a letter - in particular the pro-Danks and anti-Pavano bits

And send it to Dan O’Dowd? God knows he might not read it but since you’ve already written it it wouldn’t be much effort.

Furthermore, we know the FO is aware of Purple Row and I hope whoever keeps tabs on these things could impress on him that he should take note.

by biondino on Oct 30, 2011 9:36 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

agree completely, on both danks and giambi

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT reply actions  

I had a dream last night.....

that I was watching an early season game in April 2012 on TV, and noticed Giambi was playing 1st base. I asked my friend why he’s in the lineup and not Helton, and my friend said Helton suffered a season-ending injury three games into the season, and that Giambi is our regular 1st baseman for now. Clearly, at 41, he would need help and regular rest, I told my friend. But I was glad we had kept him, in hindisght.

Then I woke up. Other Rockies fans should be glad we kept him too.

by GoRoxGo on Oct 30, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions  

So giambi goes on the DL for a staff infection from the thong?

 Do you suppose he could lend that to Srewart?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 10:49 AM MDT reply actions  

It was a jest.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know it seems like I'm fixating on SD....

    RG? I read recently that SD has stockpiled so many arms that one of their starters may be come available. Moseley was going to be available before he got hurt. Now they are undecided as to which one. It won’t be Latos. Everyone else is supposedly in play. Are any of them someone you could see us useing as a alternative to the Tampa Mob?

    I’ve never been that much of a fan of Danks. Burhle has talked of retirement. Any chance we can talk him into retireing here?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 11:03 AM MDT reply actions  

No on Buerhle, he's going to cost too much and seems to want to stay in the Midwest and there are a lot of teams willing to let him

As for San Diego’s pitchers, the name I’ve been reading the most in chatter as available is Tim Stauffer, and while he wouldn’t be a bad target, in my mind he’s not nearly as solid/helpful as Danks. He’d rank fairly high on my list otherwise, though. When he gets more of a slider type of action on that cut fastball of his, he’s very effective.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Besides the requisite arm they always ask for....

    SD seems to be targeting middle infielders and catchers right now. A centerfielder is high os their list. Do you think Wheeler and Swanner would do it for Stauffer?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t pay that much for Stauffer.

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by Muzia on Oct 30, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

What would you pay?

Considering our own problems at 2b I wasn’t going to offer any of our midlle infield prospects. Swanner is not that close but Wheeler is.. Don’t offer an arm. For a proven starter? I think that’s fair.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much coming to Coors would hurt Stauffer though...

He was so successful because of how his pitches moved in SD.

He’s pretty bad at Coors, and in his career, has been better at home than away.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Any body pitches at Petco will be more Effective there.

    Any body we Acquire will have to adjust to Coors. Dac has said He wants two breaking pitches regardless. One for here and one for away.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is true.

I’m just skeptical. I would definitely like Stauffer, but after the season he’s just had, the Padres would likely ask for a lot. and I’m not sure Stauffer is worth it.

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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well that's what negotiating is about.

    That’s something I never been sure about O’Dowd is his negotiating skills

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

So what?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stauffer knows the division.

 That should be a plus for us.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Padres haven't completed a inter-divisional trade since the 2008 deadline

It’s possible, I suppose, but incredibly unlikely.

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by Muzia on Oct 30, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

New GM

    ASK?

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

You could always ask, but Stauffer is still a ridiculously cheap arm. Why would they trade him right now?

Like Headley, it’s incredibly unlikely.

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by Muzia on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

$$$$

 They have two prospects this year who have nothing left to prove. Another two who are close. They need to make room and Stauffer like Headley is doue for a raise.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm actually guessing the Padres will be fairly active in trades this winter.

Josh Byrnes really likes to wheel and deal, and he’s always been willing to risk making bad moves. I think Arizona’s success last season using several players he brought in will probably vindicate his approach in his own mind. For that I’d expect to see several Padres players on the block.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

basically, Byrnes is the antithesis of O'Dowd's trading strategy

Which is ironic considering Byrnes’ career path

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 30, 2011 2:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't say incredibly unlikely

They’re also on their third GM since the 2008 deadline, and Stauffer is holdout from not only the prior GM, but the prior ownership group. There’s going to be a lot less loyalty there.

by Rox Girl on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

intra-divisional yo

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by Resolution on Oct 30, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe you get the best player to fit your needs ,and that player is often not the best player avilable.

    If you make an honest offer and help the otherguy while helping your self; why not trade within the division? If both teams got better it’s a wash between you. It’s the other guys who now have to look out.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

but decisions in baseball are anything but rational

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by Resolution on Oct 30, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I know

I also wrote “a” instead of “an”

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by Muzia on Oct 30, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I were the Rays

I would sell high on Shields and take advantage of what I would bet was a career year in 2011. His season was no fluke, certainly, but his ERA was lower than his FIP, xFIP, and SIERA by about half a run and his BABIP seemed uncharacteristically low compared to his career average.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he returned more, prospect-wise, than Garza, and that trade netted them two Top 50 prospects in Archer and Lee plus a couple of decent bench bats.

by steakman on Oct 30, 2011 11:38 AM MDT reply actions  

you know who loves the Giambi signing??

TImmy Tebow…thats who. And since he has given his…ahem….Blessing. I may now as well.

Good news, Good news And Happy Tim Tebow Day fellow Rox-Donks Fans out there!!

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by El Paso Jeff on Oct 30, 2011 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

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by jrockies on Oct 30, 2011 11:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Pee Wee and Dizzy were as good with Malapropisms as Yogi ever was...

 Those three are a gold mind for you.. Yogi Brke a lot of bats. Somebody did a statisical analysis to prove Yogi didn’t have his Louisville Slugger emblem faceing up like he should. Yogi’s response was: “I don’t get paid to read !”.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Paul Maholm

We can add this lefty as a free agent once Pittsburgh turns down his option. Solid starter with reasonable stats who would benefit from having the Rockies’ defense behind him. Young enough for a multi-year commitment. Eats enough innings. Minor injury at the end of last season, but otherwise healthy for a pitcher.

We do not have the depth in the minors to trade for a front line pitcher and a front line free agent busts our budget. We need someone more or less like this.

by Larry Walker on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM MDT reply actions  

multi-year commitment?

I wouldn’t want him on a one-year deal, let alone a multi-year deal.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has a 4.21 career FIP

coming off of a 3.78 FIP season, good groundball rates, solid HR prevention… Lefty Aaron Cook with better K9. He’s a league average starter, and we could seriously use that. I’m not entirely sure what you hate about him.

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by Andrew Martin on Oct 30, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think for less money we could bring back Francis.

    They are the same pitcher to me as far as stuff goes.

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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 1:10 PM MDT reply actions  

francis is also a free agent while we would have to trade for danks

i think going after francis would be a good idea, though

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 30, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still think it would be good for francis to develope a knucleball for use on the road.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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by Oldfoagie on Oct 30, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bring in both

The young pitchers we have are young. Triple AAA young. But we have a bunch of them. De La Rosa won’t be 100% until 2013.

by Larry Walker on Oct 31, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

trade for Danks and Prado

then try to extend Danks. Perfect.

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by Resolution on Oct 30, 2011 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

OT: My goodness gracious, Tim Tebow stinks

However bad it was for the Rox this year, at least we have hope. And Cargo and Tulo and Pomeranz and Arenado on the way.

by BostonTransplant on Oct 30, 2011 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, yeah

But I’m pretty sure if Kyle Orton’s the QB today the Broncos are in this game. Probably still lose, but Tebow’s not even remotely an NFL quarterback. Guy throws dying quails all over the place, and looks like he’s about to get knocked silly from all that impersonating a running back.

Lordy.

by BostonTransplant on Oct 30, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I blame a lot of his struggles on the offensive coordinator

I know EXACTLY what play is coming on pretty much every single snap. If I’m smart enough to figure it out, I’m pretty sure the Lions’ defensive coaches are, as well.

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by free7694 on Oct 30, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have you ever watched Kyle Orton play?

The result would have been just as bad with him in the game. There just doesn’t seem to be an NFL-caliber QB on that team right now; Tebow is the only one with any promise, which is why he’s starting. Terrible accuracy, but you can’t deny that he has heart, as hackneyed as it sounds.

by steakman on Oct 30, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton gets a bad rap

Guy threw for over 3000 yards last year in front of a horrible OL. On a decent team, he’d be top half of the league.

Tebow, though. Oh my god. I don’t give a crap about who he is and all the associated whoop-te-do. The guy just isn’t a quarterback. He’s a fullback with delusions of grandeur. He won’t last the season without getting badly hurt, and then Orton will come back and win a couple games. This team is in for a long, bad haul.

by BostonTransplant on Oct 30, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking he could solve the Bronocs issues at RB

QB is a huge ? for him though.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Oct 30, 2011 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Josh McDaniels' offensive scheme

was very conducive to the piling up of numbers. And I’m sure you know that most of Orton’s yards came during desperation drives in the 4th quarter when the Broncos were down by 2+ TDs. Furthermore, I’d say that most QB’s in the team would be “top half” with a strong O-line and good D. I mean even Jake Delhomme took a team to the Super Bowl, and similarly Joe Flacco gets way more credit than he deserves.

If there’s anyone with “delusions”, it’s certainly not him. He’s been very vocal about needing to improve. It’s his fans that have created the so-called “whoop-te-do”. In some ways it’s justified, as he is one of the greatest college football players in history.

I can see why you’d say that he’s no more than a fullback, but I just feel like if he’d been placed in a situation to develop for 2-3 years in a well-established system, he’d develop into a great QB. ’Cause you can teach accuracy and pocket presence, but not that type of attitude.

by steakman on Oct 30, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

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by SDcat09 on Oct 30, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is funny

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 30, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

let's sign broxton and stash him on the 60-day

just so we don’t have to face him anymore.

the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox

be happy, because 2012 is coming.

by papality on Oct 30, 2011 8:30 PM MDT reply actions  

A rejuvenated Broxton would be fine by me

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by SDcat09 on Oct 30, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scott Feldman, anyone?

Just throwing out a name.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Oct 30, 2011 10:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Put all our money on the Yu Darvish train whoooooooooo

The key is to hit the guy in the jaw really hard before the other guy does it to you.

by FreeLightningLee on Oct 30, 2011 11:48 PM MDT reply actions  

INVISI-PITCH is his specialty

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Oct 31, 2011 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

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