Wednesday Rockpile: Arizona Fall League Kicks Off
by Jeff Aberle on Oct 5, 2011 6:31 AM MDT
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Since I'm going on two weeks without a functioning computer (I'm writing this very quickly on a public computer), this Rockpile will be brief. And yes, prospect mavens, when I do get my (hopefully now functioning) computer returned to me in the next few days, I'll begin posting the Fall 2011 PuRPs list.
In the meantime, even as playoff fever envelops eight seven MLB cities, the rest of the baseball world casts their eyes to the Arizona Fall League -- the place where highly touted prospects from every team go to strut their stuff. All the Rockies prospects are on the Salt River Rafters. Fangraphs has an article on AFL arms to watch, and there's a Rockies prospect on it. It's probably not the one that you would expect though.
In the first AFL game of the year for the Salt River Rafters pulled off a 12-9 victory. Colorado bats (Tim Wheeler, Nolan Arenado, and Ben Paulsen) were sharp, each notching multi-hit performances and pitcher Parker Frazier got the win in relief, though reliever Casey Weathers allowed two runs in 2/3 of an inning.
In keeping with the prospect vein, Jon Sickels at Minor League Ball reviews how his top 50 hitting prospects going into 2011 performed this year. Both Wilin Rosario (28) and Nolan Arenado (40) made the list, with Arenado likely a serious helium (top 20 perhaps?) hitting prospect next year.
Also at Fangraphs, Rosario gets some love (sort of) and Drew Pomeranz gets a mention as a potential 2012 NL ROY candidate. I personally believe that Pomeranz is a stronger candidate for Colorado given the fact that he's going to be a regular in the starting rotation while Rosario will likely be playing second fiddle to Chris Iannetta, but a pitcher is an inherently riskier bet in general. I'm hoping both are in the running next September.
For those of you who like baseball infographics, you're in luck. From Grantland, here's the 2011 MLB playoff field in infographic form.
To conclude, here's your Baseball Reference Rockies nugget of the week -- Colorado's XBH leaderboard (and what % those XBHs were of their overall hit totals):
1. Troy Tulowitzki: 68 (42.0%)
2a.Seth Smith: 56 (41.5%)
2b. Carlos Gonzalez: 56 (39.4%)
4. Dexter Fowler: 55 (43.0%)
5. Todd Helton: 41 (32.2%)
6. Ty Wigginton: 38 (39.2%)
7. Chris Iannetta: 32 (39.0%)
8a. Jason Giambi: 19 (55.9% -- 38.2% of which were HR!)
8b. Mark Ellis: 19 (26.4%)
Conclusion -- Giambi is never leaving
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How is everyone feeling about
the trade for Ubaldo at this point? I know its very early to judge this trade, but I have to say that so far I am very unimpressed. I read somewhere that Pomeranz was a power lefty and I have no idea where that scouting report came from, he rarely pitched at anything above 89. I was impressed that he was getting people out, but I am certainly hoping he gets some strength back and brings a little more than that. White was obviously very bad and again not seeing why everyone was so hyped about him. I am trying to remember one solid start that White, maybe his first or it might have been his 2nd start that was ok. I have not heard the scouting report on Gardner, but I thought it was an average sinkerballer.
I know there is plenty of time to judge this trade, but the initial results did not in any way get me excited for this trade.
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We can’t tell anything this season.
Ubaldo may recover his lost velocity next season. White and Pomeranz may fully recover from their injuries and pitch like the arms they’ve been touted. At this point, you just have to be patient.
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Ubaldo won't get his velocity back until
he someone can get him to finish off his pitches. His extension to the plate and all the leverage he created is what was missing. The video I saw made early 2010 Ubaldo and 2011 Ubaldo look like two different pitchers.
To me
its all about Ubaldo. If he is really broken (as he appeared to be, but offseason adjustments could save the day) then no matter what the young’uns turn out to be, it was a smart trade. If Ubaldo returns to 2007-2010 form relatively soon, the kids better start showing something. I’m pretty pleased with Pom, I never bought that he’d be sitting 97 or whatever so I’m not too concerned about velo. White is another matter, he has some great movement but without any semblance of control its hard to be excited by what he posted.
But really, of course, far too early to judge. As they say, any trade that leaves both sides feeling a bit bad is a good/fair trade. I’m not sure what they say about at trade that makes both sides feel sort of sick to their stomachs. But whatever.
I would hold of judging Pomeranz or White
They were both coming off injuries, give them a full spring training and see what they do after that.
2011 - not even light can escape
It's a fool's errand to even try to to judge the trade now
If you want initial results to get you excited about a trade, follow basketball. All three arms the Rockies got were 23 or younger. There’s just virtually no sample to go off of.
Pomeranz was shut down for two weeks, then made one start, had surgery and came back on a pitch count. There’s no way he was pitching 100%.
White was out three months with an injury. His location was off consistently. Concerning sure, but about 5% of the sample necessary to call him a bust.
As for Gardner, I actually saw a scouting report that said “”http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/cliff_corcoran/07/31/jimenez-trade/index.html" target="new">one of the best sinkers in the minors." and his ground ball numbers (52-71%) bear that out.
All three could be in the rotation next season.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going to take the Fool's Errand.
(That was a great early computer game on early Macintoshes, BTW.)
Let’s take Ubaldo’s numbers with the Indians. Let’s assume that he pitches exactly the same as he did in Cleveland if he were here. I know that there are a lot of variables there, but this is a fool’s errand. Ignore those variables. He had a 1.454 WHIP with 37 ERs in 65.1 IP.
Let’s compare those to the numbers of White and Pomeranz.
White: 1.761 WHIP with 34 ERs in 36.1 IP.
Pomeranz: 1.309 WHIP with 11 ERs in 18 IP.
Now, because we traded Ubaldo, we also had to fill the remaining 11 IP that Ubaldo wold have pitched with someone. Let’s say we used either Hammel (1.427 WHIP and 90 ERs / 107 IP season total), Esmil (1.892 and 65 / 83), or Cook (1.691 and 65 / 97). Let’s create a fictional replacement player to fill those 11 innings using the average production of this three-headed monster. The three-headed monster had a season total 1.67 WHIP and 73.33 ERs in 95.66 IP. Extrapolating the three-headed monster over 11 innings gives us a pitcher with a 1.67 WHIP and 8.43 ERs.
We know have an equal number of IP between Ubaldo and White, Pomeranz, and the three-headed monster. How do they compare?
Ubaldo: 1.454 WHIP with 37 ERs in 65.1 IP.
Replacement Pitcher: 1.58 WHIP with 53.43 ER in 65.1 IP.
So, hypothetically, in 2011, the trade cost us .13 Walks or Hits per inning pitched and 16.43 ERs.
Depending on how you want to factor runs-to-wins, the trade probably cost us no more than three wins this season and no less than 1.5.
This is a fool’s errand, for sure. But I thought it’d be a fun exercise, though it has no real meaning.
Generally, ten runs is consider one win
So 16.43 runs = 1.643 wins.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Right, but I've seen a few other calculations, particularly for pitchers,
so I figured I’d throw in a range there lest someone pipe up about that.
The saddest thing is that
if you were to accept that number (1.643 wins) and want to spread it over an entire season, you can multiply it by three. That gives Ubaldo 4.9 wins above the White/Pomeranz/Three-Headed Monster replacement player for an entire season.
Maybe Ubaldo improves. Maybe White and Pomeranz bust. Either way, had we stayed the course, this team is still a dozen games back in the division in 2011 and, all things being equal, would be a handful of games out in 2012.
As far as this early assessment goes
hanging on to Ubaldo was risky, and he was not helping the Rox this year anyway. Pomz looks look. White does not.
After a couple more years you can look back at relative performance and see. Right now it looks like the Rox broke even.
by Real Perspective on Oct 5, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Pomz looks what?
WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too early to say the Rox broke even on this trade.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Because of White/Pom's health issues & rust, their numbers don't really mean anything
I will say this in White’s defense: that first game he pitched with the Rox had some really impressive moments that speak to his ntangibles. His defense collapsed around him, but he kept his head and got more ground balls. I locked in some respect for him right there. With an offseason to heal, I expect he’ll be a different guy on the hill stuff-wise. Looking forward to seeing that.
As for Pomeranz — he had some very good moments, considering he was a few weeks removed from having his appendix yanked out. When this guy gets his velocity back, I’m quite confident he’ll he very, very good.
Ubaldo will be fine. He’s good for 15-17 wins next season, I expect.
If I had to bet, I’d predict this as a win/win deal when we look back on it a couple years from now.
I mentioned that.
I was really just comparing the differences in production as it translated to wins in 2011. Even with the health issues and rust, the Pom/White deal didn’t cost us too much in 2011. The future is uncertain.
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It's pretty freakin' awesome.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
dexter with the second highest XBH% after jason "rockie for the rest of time" giambi
that’s a pretty good sign. I have to go to class now, could anyone do a breakdown of pre- and post-springs of his stats with an eye toward XBH%?
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The more telling stat is the 152 total PA for Giambi this season.
As a Rockie, he only has 405 PA in over two seasons worth of work.
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You mean Kevin Millwood probably won't hit 20 HRs for us next year?
Dang!
by Northsider1964 on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
well, let's not get ahead of ourselves
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If Arenado has a strong AFL
I’m all for giving him a real shot at the Rockies’ 3B job.
There just isn’t much above him in the system, and outside-the-org. possibilities are too expensive in $$$ or prospect cost.
We’ve got nothing to lose by giving him a shot. Keep Kouzmanoff or an equivalent around through ST & in AAA as veteran fall-back insurance, but Arenado’s worth a gamble. Evan Longoria spent 2 years in the minors. Arenado’s now at 2.5.
Play him a lot in ST.
Longoria was a college bat.
Arenado came straight out of high school. You’re talking apples and oranges here.
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Longoria went to college and didn't see the majors
until he was 22. Arenado will be 21. Longoria did skip AAA though.
I still think you play Arenado in Tulsa and call him up in September. That’s at least one more year of 3B as a hole.
Unless we make a deal.
This continues to be why the Cuddyer deal speaks to me though. Hopefully, we only need him for one year at 3B.
When looking to trade Stewart this past summer, the Rockies inquired about Headley and Alvarez. Neither team was interested in making a deal, but it would be no surprise if Colorado restarts talks this winter. The Rockies have no interest in free agent Aramis Ramirez.
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I think acquirining Alvarez
would be one of the more lateral moves we could make. Except we’d lose some defense there.
Headley though? Hmmmmm, this is the first cool thing I’ve heard this offseason. Hooray.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
whoa
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Alvarez doesn’t look like a very good pickup. Minimal power and low BA numbers so far in his career. I understand he’s young, but with Arenado two years away, they’d be better served to get a veteran.
That’s why Chase Headley is very appealing. High OBP, high late and close BA in his career. Plus his home/road splits are pretty favorable. .229 at home (Petco Park) and .303 away in his career with a .441 SLG.
I think Headley would be an interesting move
just for your last sentence. I’d be curious to see how his splits changed when playing for the Rockies. I’ll bet he wouldn’t hit .303 on the road any more, and we’d have concrete evidence of the reverse Coors effect.
He’s hit .290/.364/.395 in 140 PA at Coors over the course of his career. The only parks he’s hit .250 or less in is Petco, Wrigley, and Angel Stadium.
by DesertTurtle on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
While the OBP is very good he seems very light on the SLG
Is this really a good option?
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Not as a power hitting 3B. He only hit 4 HRs this year and had 11 in 674 PA in 2010. Still, BA and OBP numbers are nice compared to the other options (assuming they don’t go after Ramirez).
by DesertTurtle on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
He plays at Petco
Home 2011: .243/.348/.326
Away 2011: 330/.399/.465
98 OPS+ vs RHP
138 OPS+ vs LHP
Headley is a very good bat.
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That’s what I’m arguing. Still not sure if he’ll turn into a 20 HR guy at Coors, but still. Considerable upgrade at 3B.
by DesertTurtle on Oct 5, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
His AVG/OBP split should outweigh any HR necessity.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I still say start him at third vs righties and platoon him in LF vs lefties. Give Pacheco that bats when he's not at third.
Get him some reps at 1b for when Todd is gone and Arenado comes up. Three holes fixed.
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Why push Headley to LF and not Pacheco?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Headley has experience in LF and is almost decent there. Pacheco does not.
I’d want Pacheco to concentrate on First and Third.
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I'd argue to just keep Headley at third
and have a platoon partner for Smith. Play the best players as much as you can. Just because it would be nice to give Pacheco playing time doesn’t mean we should. Headley will inevitably be given days off. Play Pacheco there and have him work on defense at 3b in fielding practice or put him in at 3b during blowout games.
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I like to think of somebody besides Wiggy and GThong backingup/replacing Todd
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Pacheco can back up at 1b
without moving Headley around though. I don’t have a problem with that and think it’s as good an idea as any. Should Helton go down for an extended period of time then I think it would be more prudent to find a 1b on the FA/trade market like Russell Branyan, Adam LaRoche or whoever, rather than trying to mold Pacheco and Giambi into a full-time first base combination. And those types of 1b are pretty much always available on the market.
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I don't think O'Dowd is planing on spending anymore that one position player and maybe two starters.
If he spend mor money/talent than tha I’d be surprised.
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it would be more of an
in-season acquisition should Helton go down, and probably wouldn’t cost more than 1.5 million given that it would be for only part of the season.
I wouldn’t advocate signing one of those guys this offseason and putting them on the 25 man roster. That would be a waste.
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I would take his Jeff Cirillo Show here anyday
a .310/.405/.485 line with 15 HR and 50 2B would be an extreme possibility
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To ballpark adust some like Headley we should be using wRC+ correct?
Looks like he had an excellent 2011 but has been average every other year.
Also should the strikeout rate concern the Rockies?
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OPS+ park adjusts
and yes. Somewhat.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but wouldn't looking at wOBA be a better measure of Headley's skills?
Looked up OPS+ for Headley and similar to his wRC+ numbers so guess it doesn’t matter much. Pretty average other than this past season.
Average production at 3b would be great for the Rockies.
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wOBA is technically a better metric
but OPS works in a pinch, provided you understand the scaling and such.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, you have to understand scaling and such for OPS+ or wRC+?
/what’s that buzzing by my head…. DY RMN DY!!
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...what?
if you look at OPS and wOBA leaderboards, they don’t change all that much when you sort by one or the other.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry just a comment to the "provided you understand scaling and such" you added
Was meant to be a joke in the ilk of I know what OPS and wOBA are but what is this scaling and such thing.
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scaling meaning "800 OPS = gud"
“.340 wOBA = gud”
that kind of scaling, y’know?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Gotcha
thought you were going all……. A network of taut strings with piecewise constant mass density provides an experimentally realizable analogue system of scaling quantum graphs…….. on me
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by dsmba on Oct 5, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
His strikeout rate
is why I’d still prefer Prado over Headley (plus the fact that Prado can easily slide to 2b in 2013 assuming Arenado is ready).
The high k rate worries me that he’ll have trouble adjusting between Denver and sea-level parks like so many other guys on our team.
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This is a moot argument
They would not trade Headley to the Rox anyway.
by Real Perspective on Oct 5, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
because....?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
trade your best player in the division
generally not something you do
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Didn’t the Angels trade Mike Napoli to the Rangers this past offseason?
;)
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They traded him to Toronto.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
you and your technicalities
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Which almost immediately flipped him to TX
I guarantee you the second deal was in place before the first one was done
but did Anaheim know this?
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I don't see Chase Headley as being a guy to build your franchise around.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
he's pretty head and shoulders above the rest of their team, though
casey kelly continues to flounder, and anthony rizzo is…. not good. maybin is a maybe, and we shouldn’t judge him until he can do it for another year i reckon
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Anthony Rizzo is….really young.
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not good yet
happy?
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Better. I’m not going to discount a 22 year old prospect with his numbers.
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Head and shoulders above everybody else?
Well, wow. Sure, man.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
prove me wrong
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Career SLG: .392.
Career OPS: .735.
Guys that will be better than him next year: Maybin, Rizzo, Venable, Blanks.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
PETCO
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
125 wRC+ last year, 108 career
Not great but better than we’ve seen since Atkins by a LONG ways
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
venable may very well do so
but i would hesitate on any of those others. especially saying blanks and rizzo, considering they play the same position
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2011 PA and fWAR
Cameron Maybin 568 – 4.7
Nick Hundley 308 - 3.3
Chase Headley 439 - 2.7
Jesus Guzman 271 – 2.3
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
agone, kouz, and gwynn are all gone, and the jury's still out on maybin
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He's not
But we’ve already got 2 of those.
We just need someone to fill the black holes around them.
like Chase Headley?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
uhhhhhhh.
What RMN said.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
We tried that one too…
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Then why are you recommending it?
Uhm, yeah.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I said
Anyone But Ian .. and I meant that. He needs a fresh start somewhere else. We don’t need Ian Failure No. 4. Or 5. I lost count.
If we're not going to land a Chase Headley
It’s gotta be Ian Stewart for 2012.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
It’s time this team and its fans stopped accepting failure from failed high draft picks just because other options are also risky.
Bring up Arenado early. Trade good prospects (which is what it would take) to get Headley. But
the Ian albatross needs to be lifted from the Rockies.
Bring up Arenado early.
I love Arenado more than anyone on here, and I strongly disagree with this.
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nobody on earth thought that
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Matt Moore spent 2011 in AA and AAA.
Arenado hasn’t spent a moment above A+.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
So we should rush the kid?
Makes sense.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Bullsh*t.
The only reason Moore wasn’t up here in June is because the Rays are trying to squeeze every day of cheap service time out of his arm before swapping him elsewhere once he hits arbitration.
Arenado has exactly 0 at bats above A ball.
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...which only lends credence to the theory that arenado starts 2012 in tulsa
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
He probably will
Rockies are afraid to try radically different things. They’d rather try out Stewart for the 6th time or go sign another Lopez or Kouzmanoff.
stewart was essentially league average at the plate, and a plus fielder in 09 and 10
so not really sure why that would be a bad idea
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
he was a failure this year, yes
but he absolutely was not a failure in 08, 09, or 10, and i don’t know how you could objectively reach that conclusion
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Perhaps it has more to do with the fact you don’t throw your top position prospect directly into the Majors after A ball?
You call it “taking risks”, and I call it “completely insane”
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by Muzia on Oct 5, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gary Brown is a better prospect than Arenado
He’s at the same level, and the Giants need Brown more than we need Arenado. Brown will not be their starting centerfielder next year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
You do if he performs well
in the AFL and ST and you have no other good options.
And you haven’t won a division title in 19 years and just had a disatrous season.
No you don’t.
Because it’s a stupid idea.
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We probably shouldn't wreck Arenado because the MLB team sucks
because then we’ll keep sucking.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
but sucking
is what good waffles do!
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Unless you are KC
Even if they don’t it sure seems like they really really rush prospects.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
So Arenado will be ready in 2013.
Yes. I agree.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Moore led all of the minors in K's in 2009 and 2010
then was Minor League Pitcher of the Year in 2011 and is 22. He was a top 15 prospect in the majors before the season and the top pitching prospect overall midseason. He was so far past ready.
Arenado is 20. There is nothing about the two that should lead dto a comparison
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
The point is
The Rockies need to do things differently. If it’s jumping top prospects faster, they need to do it. If it’s trading good prospects for veterans to fill holes (Headley), do it.
But the existing formula isn’t working.
jumping top prospects
you mean like we did with greg reynolds? franklin morales? ubaldo jimenez?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
We didn't rush any of those prospects to the level that maris is recommending we do to Arenado.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I know.
But this is a different level of rushing.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
we definitely jumped reynolds too fast
all of ~150 minors IP before getting the call
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
true, i forget about the evils of 08
very well, i’ll go sit down.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Go to work young lady. you do us no good if your unemployed!
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Ubaldo worked out pretty well
before he lost his mojo, for whatever reason. It wasn’t too-quick promotion that was his problem.
I’m outa here. Gotta work. My original point was that Arenado should get a good look in ST if there aren’t any better options around. I stand by that.
He should get a good look
But if he’s not ready, he shouldn’t be there.
That’s what everyone else is standing on.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies are sending Arenado on the exact same timeline as the Rays sent Moore
1) Prior to 2011 Moore had exactly 0 starts above A ball.
2) Moore spent the entire minor league season in AA and AAA before being called up in September.
A) Prior to 2012 Arenado has exactly 0 at bats above A ball.
B) Arenado will likely spend the entire minor league season in AA and/or AAA before being called up in September.
I don’t see how Moore helps your case here.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
He’s not in the way of anyone for 2012. Tender him a contract for cheap, and trade him for peanuts if he doesn’t perform in camp.
No risk, some upside.
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Waste of time and money
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What time? What money?
His arb offer won’t be more than $2.3mil.
If he doesn’t prove himself in camp, he won’t be here. Someone will pick him up for that price.
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waste of energy
and brainpower, and manpower, and horsepower, and money, and time, and money, and a roster spot,
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'd rather pocket the arb and non tender him. If he doesn't sign elesewhere sign him to a minor league contract with an ST invite. I bet he'll be available.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
you don't think a plus defensive 3B, with his hitting potential,
wouldn’t be picked up in half a second?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I think the scouting reports on his vulnerability and his inability to adjust will scare evrybody off.
He’s been pitched to the same way for three years now and has shown nothing but regression.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
he actually hasn't been pitched to the exact same way
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5950&position=3B#pitchtype
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
He had one bad year.
He’s g
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not banking on it, but it’s stupid to non-tender him without giving him a shot next spring.
He’s cheap, there’s honestly nothing to lose.
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my take on it
is that some people only put in the total, focused effort after struggling and failing mightily. Jose Bautista and Andres Torres didn’t completely overhaul their approaches because they were good and not great.
I’m hoping Stewart applies himself – and gets whatever outside help he needs to really not just work on his swing, but re-work his swing.
The optimist in me says this poor season could be the best thing to happen to Stewart – but it needs to be understood as such.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Wut.
Ian Stewart will not be available for a minor league contract.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
That's the Padres problem...
He’s not someone you canbuild your franchise arround. He makes a very good complimentry part for us.. The have their equivelent of Arrenao they want to bring up. I wish I could quit gagging on his name. They have a glut of out fieldes and Rizzo for first. They still don’t know if they could keep Headley moneywise if they stay stuck with Bell.
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Jaff Decker?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Neither is Heath Bell, and yet...
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Padres are getting two draft picks for him.
He’s not a rock for the franchise.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
or they get Bell next year for $8mil
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bell wants to stay, they want him to stay, they have the exclusive window after the series ends
chances are very good he doesn’t go anywhere
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I think we could get him if we make the right offer.
They trade with AZ and LA; why not us? We haven’t tried to screw them lately.
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meh,
it’s also a sports blog, so whatever – it’ll get talked about with or without reports of us being linked to asking them about Headley.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
As far as I know, this was the first link connecting us to Headley.
Though it could have been created because of our constant discussions about the guy. Renck definitely reads us.
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HEY RENCK,
I LOVE YOUR WRITING AND READ THE DP EVERYDAY, YOU’RE THE BEST! NOW TELL MR. O’DOWD TO INQUIRE ABOUT HEYWARD AND PRADO. IF YOU DO THE AFOREMENTIONED, ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME.
XOXO,
ME
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I could always email him my trade proposal and ask him to slide it under O’Dowd’s office door one night.
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I'll send a facebook message to Dick Monfort's son about it
/unfriended
Hey! What happened?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha this one made me laugh.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Make a phony Jim Tracy account
and then do it.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Didn't someone already do that?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I dunno
but if they didn’t then send Monfort’s kid the trade proposal from it, they’re not doing it right.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
lets find out where he parks his car
and leave it under the windshield wiper in a big envelope with ‘From: The Atlanta Braves, To: Mr. Daniel O’Dowd’ written on it.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Renck tends to fixate
on a guy who he thinks will patch several holes for the Rockies, and write about him incessantly for 6-8 weeks. Last year it was Victor Martinez, this year it’s Michael Cuddyer. If you actually convince him to write about Heyward and Prado, it would be the death knell for any such trade.
Cuddyer’s getting more column inches in the Post right now than Gov. Hickenlooper, so no way he’s coming here.
by Northsider1964 on Oct 5, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I am very curious about this "The high k rate worries me that he’ll have trouble adjusting between Denver and sea-level parks like so many other guys on our team."
Is there anyway to get this information?
Maybe the Rockies should be avoiding high K% players more than most teams?
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Here's my thoughts on it
if you look at that article posted over at Athletics Nation back in the day, not only is there a pretty big difference between how pitches move at different altitudes (and remember – even something like half an inch is huge given what a precision process effective hitting is), but it’s primarily fastballs.
1. A lot of people still think it’s curveballs and such that are impacted most. I hope the team realizes the truth but who knows.
2. Pitches that shift the most are fastballs which account for 50% of pitches thrown – so not only does their shift in movement impact hitting, but their larger percentage compounds the issue. It’s much easier to struggle at hitting curveballs at sea-level if they’re only thrown 12% of the time anyway than it is for fastballs (not that struggling against anything is ideal).
I personally feel that while acquiring lower-k guys is beneficial for the team, the team shouldn’t fall in love with it. Lots of low-k guys don’t have much power and are incomplete hitters so our gains in hitting more consistently will be somewhat offset by the reduced power. I think k-rate should be given greater weight in our context because I assume that greater k guys have lower bat control and therefore need some more time to adjust both going from Denver on the road, and returning to Denver from the road.
This is also why I think installing a humidor at CS Springs is so important. We should be able to use AAA as a time for players to learn to play not only at the highest level of the minors (granted that AA typically has more talent, but AAA isn’t just a complete barren wasteland), but also use to give players time to adjust to this wacky, high-altitude hitting environment. We’ve seen too many guys who have okay strikeout rate totals in the minors come up to Denver and have their k-rates just balloon and improve really slowly. Rather than jump them over AAA or move AAA somewhere else, I think it can be a huge asset in speeding up the transition to the majors.
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by Resolution on Oct 5, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've mentioned it before
but aerodynamic force is directly proportional to density, so the amount of “movement” should be affected for all pitches. There is no reason it should be confined to fastballs.
I agree with the humidor idea, but I think the organization needs to address the problem on the major league level as well. That might mean taking more batting practice during road trips, or perhaps installing a pitching machine at Coors and using lighter baseballs. This would simulate the increased movement of pitches at sea level.
Hmm, I mean, I get where you're coming from
but that pitch f/x data was pretty convincing. I’m open to the idea that the data were flawed in some way, but maybe there’s something else in this equation? Pitch speed? The way the seams try to ‘grab’ the air for breaking pitches vs. fastballs?
If the data presented in that brief study are accurate (or close to accurate), then something else has to be going on right?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The orientation of the seams might cause some difference in the magnitude of the force.
But decreasing the density will decrease the force by the same percentage no matter how it’s thrown. My bet is that the smaller number of curveballs thrown affected the results somehow, or perhaps the aerodynamic force on a curveball is just smaller to begin with so changes in density have less effect.
I guess that like
even if curveballs were to be affected the same,
The fact that fastballs are still impacted a lot, and thrown a lot more, coupled with the other fact that breaking pitches still garner a lot of attention as what changes, shows there’s a bunch of imperfect information out there and that the team may not be adjusting appropriately.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
True.
They’re definitely not adjusting properly. Actually, this is one of my complaints about Tracy. I think the manager should be responsible for making sure his team has the best chance to win, and failure to address the altitude issue has caused severe problems. He might talk about taking better at bats or playing the game the right way, but he hasn’t done anything to actually help the players adjust.
when I get some time in the near future
I’m gonna make a fanpost that explores this issue of home/away batting and what I think the team should do.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Didn't you say that a couple months ago?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I put it into my calendar
to bring it up every few months. But thanks for checking.
Also, stay tuned for this comment: “when I get some time in the near future, I’m gonna make a fanpost that explores this issue of home/away batting and what I think the team should do.”
it should debut somewhere in mid-November.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
every six weeks is probably good
say about 80% of people will forget.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I said
I don’t need your stupid numbers!
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Thin mints suck.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm...
Prado had an off season in 2011. I’d prefer to get someone that has been consistently good… Even though he hit .260 in 2011 and .307 in 2010, maybe I’m just weary of guys like Lopez and Wigginton.
Is Prado even available?
PetroCW says no
Talking Chop would love to trade him.
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I would find it hard to accept.
That’s all, especially if we are offering Smith. If we gave them some other options, it might happen, but we don’t have other MLB options. And I don’t see a contending team downgrading their active roster. Unless we’re saying Prado for Smith, et al. without Heyward. That could work.
It’s certainly possible though. I just think it’s highly improbable.
Prado for Seth Smith?
I.. don’t think the Braves go for that..
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Smith + Diaz = Outfield
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I dunno,
but I think the Braves would listen if a good package came along. They have a pretty strong team but that team has some glaring holes…
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Smith for Prado? They need to replace McClouth, but I’m not sure how good of a move that would be for the Rockies. I guess it would depend if they can get Cuddyer or not.
I wouldn't expect the Braves to do that
it’d be a start but there’d need to be something else in there for the Braves. That being said, given his struggles and the team struggles this season, I think 1. the Braves may be more open to trading him and 2. it makes it less likely that we’d have to really overpay to get him.
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september
magnifies everything, rightly or wrongly
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
oh, you mean like how their manager overused their bullpen in the first half of the season?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 5, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
I’m hoping their September magnifies the ‘Lets trade Heyward and Prado to the Rockies for like 80 cents on the dollar’ part most of all.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
are you sure you're not leaving some stuff out here?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also
the division is difficult because of the Braves (and Phillies). I don’t think facing the Mets, Marlins, and Nationals like 60 times made it too difficult for them…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
this has little to do with your original comment
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Like, this still isn't really getting at the original point and is a different thing altogether
overall, yes, the NL East is the most difficult division in the NL. But the Braves faced the Braves zero times this season so they’d need to be factored out when looking at the Braves relative to the NL East. For a while it looked as if the Central was also a pretty tough division but the Pirates’ fall evened it out.
And also, regardless of the division, the Braves still had struggles – IE the collapse they suffered at the end, and their offense which had McCann post the highest WAR total of anyone which was 3.7 (though it seems like next season should be much better if Heyward, Prado, and Uggla all rebound and they have a full season of Bourn).
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't think anyone asked you to,
and I didn’t say they were a struggling team (which implies a lot of question marks, and poor W/L record and such). I said they HAD struggles this past year. Going forward, they should be fine given their bullpen, deep rotation, and a lot of offensive candidates primed for a rebound.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Right.
This is why I don’t see them trading in the nature that has been suggested. Although I could see a Prado for Smith et, al.
it would be a bad move for them
and the other team would be capitalizing on a buy low opportunity off of a team that may be willing to (than they should be) ‘shake things up’ because of the past season.
Overall it’s unlikely, but it will probably never really be more likely than this offseason (unless Heyward and Prado struggle again which would just hurt their trade value)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
PETRO FOUND AN ARGUMENT
woot woot
;)
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
It wasn't started by one of my comments though.
I know how to get in. I just never start them. This is still all based around Muzia’s Heyward trade comments from days ago.
haha
I was just kidding.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
why must you turn this Rockpile into a house of LIES?!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Smith and Stewart for Prado
Done deal as far as I concerned. They’ll want an Arm too of course. Stew as sweetner when Larry retires in ST.
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Larry is why I think that if they trade with us
they’re going to want Arenado. Lipka can’t play 3rd.
No on that deal
Let them resurect Stewart’s career. It will give their new hitting coach soething to do besides fixing Heyward..
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if they want Arenado
then we don’t do it. It’s that simple.
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,,, we kill the batman
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Will you stop posting the Joker?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
why so serious?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 5, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless we also get Heyward
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not sure i give up arenado for heyward
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I'd give up Arenado for Heyward in a heartbeat
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Straight up?
I dunno. We have one superstar outfielder and one pretty good outfielder. A couple years down the road we don’t have any pretty good options for corner infield, major resurgence from Stewart notwithstanding.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd do it straight up
Heyward’s got the potential to be the best player in the game a couple years from now, so I make the trade position be damned.
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First off, it'll take more than Arenado to land Jason freakin' Heyward.
Secondly, if the offer really is Heyward-Arenado, you pull the trigger in a heartbeat.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
i'm well aware of his through-the-roof potential
but he’s had several DL stints already, and reworked his batting stance more times this year than derek jeter.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I'm with you - to an extent.
I don’t want to give up Arenado, period. But Heyward is (on-the-brink of being) a superstar. He’s going to be a beast for at least a decade. It’s an easy decision, IMO.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't trust wRC+ or OPS+ in relation to Petco, Coors, or Safeco
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
or Oakland
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
and I have my questions about AZ
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Well then..... who can I trust?
I mean I have to believe in something……
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
trust in me, just in me
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OkayTomCat009
what say you about Chase Headley, Hedley Lamarr and Lamarr Hoyt
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Hoyt Wilhelm and Wilhelm Reich
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
That's HEDEY!!!!
I love Chase if we can get him for Alex White/Tim Wheeler and Ian Stewart I am in.
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Logic does not compute
giving up a possible #3 starter next season for a meh 3bman. I would say this article sums up my opinion. It definitely raises some red flags.
Not sure I can trust you either…. I am willing to give you another chance though.
Feelings on Edwin Encarnacion?
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as DH? he's great
as 3B? there’s a reason his nickname is E5
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Agreed but the point is really to see if I can trust Tom ;)
and E5 came to mind.
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he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd call you back
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate that guy
or people who call when they know you don’t have time a talk.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
No way Alex White is going anywhere.
Tim Wheeler is definitely a good starting point.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
White could be moved, I'm not sure why he's untouchable
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
especially for headley
i’m far from his biggest fan here, but wheeler and white for headley i’d probably do
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ooo That would essentially be
Ubaldo + Wheeler for Pomeranz, Headley, and Gardner. I like that trade.
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DON'T FORGET MATT MCBRIDE
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it is obvious I am not a huge fan of CH
but this really seems like a serious overpay for a player who is primed for some serious BABIP regression.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
my thinking is
whatever BABIP regression he experiences will be almost completely nullified by him getting out of PetCo.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't know
I would think his type of hitting (line drives/ground balls) wouldn’t really be effected too much by PETCO. It’s not like he is driving the ball in the alleys and they are becoming outs.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
I totally see that
I guess just whenever I look at people’s stats in Petco, it doesn’t matter who they are or their hitting styles, that place is just death to hitting.
I also wonder if Headley shifted the way he hits a bit away from fly balls due to PetCo.
At any rate, him relying on line drives and ground balls just makes him seem like a better match for us.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I am sure the numbers (spilts) are out there, too much work though ;)
Would be really nice to have more line-drive hitters playing for the Rox.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
sigh
lets hope for the best this offseason.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Chase Headley home and away
Home wRC+
2008 84
2009 83
2010 86
2011 101
Road
2008 127
2009 125
2010 114
2011 147
Safe to say he is heavily affected by his home park
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I reallyyyyy want to trade Wheeler this offseason.
Chase Headley seems like the guy I’d package Wheeler for.
But not with Alex White.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
if they throw in
a good reliever they have in the minors, I’d def do it.
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pretty sure the padres are legally obligated to send a reliever out in any trade they perform
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/sticks and mud
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A good starter.
Then I’d think about it.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
then it's a video game trade
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
In a big trade, sure.
I find it VERYYYYYY unlikely he goes anywhere this offseason. The Rockies know they didn’t see the good side of Alex White, and I’m sure they’re going to wait to even think about trading him.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't doubt that either
In terms of what’s likely to happen, White likely isn’t going anywhere.
COULD he go somewhere if the right deal emerged? Oh yeah.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Ceacuse some "experts" out there think he is better than Pom?
At least they rated him above Pom at the beginning of 2011.
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Random graphs for Headley lovers ;)
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Break it down by home/road
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Right, but when he puts on a Rockies uniform
he’ll have to readjust to “normal” pitch movement every time he goes on a road trip. Right now he doesn’t have that disadvantage, so I’d expect the home numbers to rise and the road numbers to fall. Whether or not that actually occurred would give us real data on the reverse Coors effect.
You know.
I post somewhat controversial opinions, but I never seem to generate the comments wars that other people do.
What’s the secret?
I mean, today I have a post about Ubaldo vs. Pom/White WAR and Seth Smith HR numbers, and nothing. Maybe I need to word things differently.
no, you just need to know what axes people are grinding and then casually mention said axes
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Chris Iannetta?
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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LOOK YOU
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I did not mention him this time?
I cold do so if it trips you trigger
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, that guy needs some kind of award
For “Most Controversial Rockie in Purple Row History”
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How do you know someone from 2006 wasn't more controversial?
…………
…….
……..
yeah ok.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
And Alan Embree wins games without throwing pitches
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JFK
Suggested topics
- “Why batting average is the most important stat”
- “Jonny Herrera should be our starting 2B in 2012”
- “Jim Tracy is the best in-game manager in baseball”
Heh, I remember when Herrera had an OBP of like .400 in April and everyone was saying he was bound for the ASG.
Ahem.
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you forgot "Why the Rockies will never win 80 games under this man's managing"
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
"neither hitters nor pitchers control their BABIP"
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
My biggest fear as I get older.....
is that someday I will no longer be able to control my BABIP.
by evers44 on Oct 5, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if you're feeling really controversial, combine them.
Jim Tracy is an outstanding in game manager and should be our manager next season because if nothing else, he will use batting average to determine that Herrera should be our starting 2b in 2012
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bat anybody but CDI on a regular basis because OBP is a useless stat if you are not a second baseman...
PinchH it Wiggy for a pitcher with two outs and RISP. Because no hitter will actually help their own cause.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
and....
any decisions he makes concerning the catching situation should be accepted fully and without question by all fans.
and...
and F*CK that Seth Smith guy. He rides the bench.
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and...
I sure hope that Ty Wiggington is a Rockie in 2012. He may not be the missing piece we need, but he’s been great in the utility role
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Oct 5, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Make Esmil the 2012 opening day Starter
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
and...
Giambi is a good weapon to have late in games. But I’ll only use him in the 9th inning
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Because he needs to be saved
just like you have to save the closer. Your best pitcher should always pitch last.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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A few ideas to get folks started using just the people in this part of the thread. (All in good fun of course)
1) Tell Andrew about the historical and statistical significance of the the RBI, and how it just might be the greatest stat ever!!! Because let’s face it, winners drive in runs no matter who’s batting in front of them.
2) Tell papality that the New York Yankees are a far more repulsive organization than the Boston Red Sox.
3) Tell PetroCW that the Pirates loss in the 1992 NLCS doesn’t compare to the pain suffered by (insert example of your choice here)
4) Tell Oldfoagie that Chris Iannetta is the best catcher the Rockies have ever had – And be sure to use WAR to justify your stance.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
you bastard.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Tell RIFF that Tulo is not the greatest thing scince sliced bread.
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5) Tell RIRF something about Tulowitzki’s atrocious FB/IFFB rate and that he’d likely still be a 30 HR hitter with even more XBH and a batting style that will age AMAZINGLY if he’d just get back to hitting line drives.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well done
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
oh and
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
3) By the pounding the Broncos took in their loss to the 49ers in the Superbowl.
Get well soon Juan.
That's easier than having the opposing team come back
to score three runs in the bottom of ninth after being shutout all game.
Plus, they won the Super Bowl eight years later. The Pirates haven’t had a winning season in almost two decades.
Beglad you are not a Cubs Fan! :-P
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
meh.
They’ve been competitive on and off for most of my life. I was only alive for one Pirates WS win, and I don’t remember it.
They been good more often that the cubs and I watched Maz's walkoff on tv.
Different perspectives
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Throughout history?
Absolutely.
I just came in on the tail end of that though. Dale Berra to Early 90s dominance to one shining 1997 and just a whole bunch of suck.
I'd rather that
Than what happened to my Vikings in the 1999 and 2009 NFC Championship Games.
/pounds fist on desk
DAMNIT!
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heh
I lived with a huge Vikings fan in 97. And he’s very low key, but that game was the most pissed i ever saw him.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
At least the Bills were IN the Super Bowl
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lol are you jealous you don't get flamed?
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you can't seriously think that?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Not only does he thinks that; He counts on it so he doesn't have to carry the whole blog himself!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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sounds like you like to argue :P
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really.
That’s probably the problem. I try to look for some common ground, though I like to pick at an idea until I find it. I have to start posting comments that include the word seriously, suc as:
You can’t seriously think…
You don’t seriously believe…
Seriously, that’s insane…
I think that would help. ;)
not really my ass
you LOVE to argue.
LOVE it.
As do I. Typically.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
There's research that suggests doing it for the sake of doing it is a good thing though
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Petro, why don't you have a seat
We all love you very much.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
hahahhahaha this is funny.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Because you framed it in terms of
the value that Pom/White may provide and not in terms of the fact that Ubaldo is in all likelihood a Nazi sympathizer.
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by Resolution on Oct 5, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
I read a thing on Cracked that was 6 internet topics guaranteed to start flame wars. Things like circumcision, tipping, vegans, etc.
but what was funny is how often it all came back to Hitler.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
damn you godwin
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Dammit FI#2
the fact was that the guy had lost velocity AND did business with Hitler. I didn’t want Ubaldo hanging around here ruining our clubhouse culture and neither should anyone.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If he's still throwing FBs that move a foot at 97 mph
he can hang with Hitler. I’m ok with it. What he does on his free time isn’t my business.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
oh wtf
are you calling me fat?
It still stands that his line-drive rate was too high, or not high enough. I don’t need your stupid numbers to tell me that.
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Resolution.
He hated Ubaldo because of his Hitler loving ways*
*this comment is not true about resolution nor ubaldo. Although if ubaldo really did love Hitler I’m sure resolution would not approve.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
OPEN WIDE FOR SOME SOCCER!!!!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
The original post made me laugh
The explanation of the original post made me laugh even harder
TEBOW
wait…
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow again!
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Gettin' Headley
would be a great maneuver.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 5, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
This is very good news.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it me or does Seth Smith rank pretty good in a lot of categories?
Yet he seems to be a cast off…is the fear that if we give him full time AB’s those numbers would all go down? I just don’t exactly get how we are handling Smith.
Another thought that I have had is what is the possiblity of acquiring Kendrys Morales?
He in my opinion, would be a rebound candidate and somebody to spell Todd Helton possibly going 50/50 for the year so each could stay healthy. And if all worked out well, Kendrys becoming the short term replacement for Todd Helton. Trumbo stepped in nicely for Morales and with his injuries as of late maybe they could part ways.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
is the fear that if we give him full time AB’s those numbers would all go down?
Yes. Definitely. Because he floundered as a regular in 2010 and has poor numbers vs LHP in his career. Plus his defense was atrocious this year
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
For a team with offensive struggles
I don’t understand the interest in moving him. He’s really good against like 70% of pitchers. He’s also been better defensively in LF. Just move him back there and get a legitimate platoon partner and we have a 4WAR outfielder to compliment Dex and CarGo. It also provides us with a good pinch hitter on days when when whichever half isn’t starting. Unless we can package him for more offense I don’t see why there’s such a sour view of the guy (not necessarily around here but with the FO)…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
And, I don't think they're desperately trying to move him,
they just want a different type of player. He’s a good fit for another team. But when you’ve got a light-hitting CF, a more-average-than-power RF, an aging, unpredictable 1B, and a hole at 3B, you need to get more power from somewhere. His spot is the easiest place to find that power.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
agreee
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 5, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
oh well that changes everything
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't look at trades as punishment for being bad - I look at trades as ways to get things the Rockies need
especially when the team has a strength in a particular area. The Rockies have young, left-handed outfielders (both on the team and coming up in Blackmon and Wheeler), so if a slightly older guy (like Smith) has any trade value (even as part of a package), I’m in favor of a trade. (I’m also in favor of trading Blackmon or Wheeler as part of a package, if the Rockies get something valuable in return.)
But it’s less about particular players than about needing better offense, better defense, and better pitching than the Rockies had this year, and not seeing a definite solution to the problems coming up immediately from the minor leagues.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
If they trade him for offense, then fine
if they trade him for pitching it may end up shuffling some deck chairs in the win department more than anything.
I would much rather keep Smith and trade away Wheeler (who I hope would have a higher trade value).
At some point there’s a problem with always having 50% of the starting roster going through some learning/adjustment period. The fact that Smith is a known commodity AND a good hitter (and not bad defensively if deployed properly) seems like he’s worth hanging onto if we’re going to be faced with another season of hoping Stewart puts it together, hoping Fowler can build off of his success last year, hoping that Iannetta’s gains are for real this time, hoping we get clarity around 2b, and hoping Helton is healthy for a full season.
That being said, my thoughts on keeping him vs trading him would ultimately boil down to the package. If he’s moved for someone like Headley, then I agree with Petro that it makes sense.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Smith needs to hit better for power.
That’s the line from the FO. With the 533 PAs this year, he should have gotten something like 40 2B, and 20 HRs. Instead, he ended up with 32 2B and 15 HR. Of his 15 HR, nine came at Coors. That’s why guys like Cuddyer (29/20) and Willingham (26/29) are getting play, I think. They want someone that can drive in runs in the 5 or 6 hole.
The defense has just made his case far more difficult.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the 40 doubles and 20 home runs
would be more realistic if those were 533 at bats and not plate appearances…
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He also had 9 triples this season
career .485 SLG% ain’t bad at all.
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So?
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
So, he just doesn't generate the power numbers that he needs to
particularly when he is outside of Coors.
PAs Home: 254
PAs Away: 279
Home: 13 2B, 6 3B, 9 HR
Away: 19 2B, 3 3B, 6 HR
Great for the doubles there, but that is probably where the three home runs and three triples that he didn’t hit on the road end up when he isn’t at Coors. This means he has some good doubles power, but we have guys with good doubles power. We need a guy with HR power.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Once again, this isn't saying tent Smith is good.
I was just defending him saying that he has decent trade value yesterday. It’s saying that you just doesn’t give us a piece that the FO wants—a player with HR power.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I think this is kind of nit picking.
Same number of XBHs in 25 more PAs on the road.
I don’t mind seeing Smith shopped if we can get some power at third, but I’m not going to be dissappointed if he stays.
Get well soon Juan.
HRs and 2Bs are not the same thing though.
He had 59 this year. He had 52 in 135 fewer PAs last year. There are reasons for this due to the weakness of the RBI as a measure, but I guarantee that the FO is looking at that. I think they even mentioned it on that conference call in July.
Again, I’m not pushing for him to go. But I think this is the argument of the FO (along with defense and possibly attitude) and I can understand it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
59 RBI. Blah.
I’m actually trying to get some work done here.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
No, I understand.
My point is that the Home and Road splits are so similar that the differences fall into the margin of error to say that Smith is better at hitting XBHs at Coors than he is away. And I hope that the FO understands this when making this decision.
Get well soon Juan.
So, you're saying because Seth can't hit HRs in PetCo..
we should ship him out of here? Lack of road HRs in the NL West is not convincing me.
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No.
That’s not what I am saying at all if you read the whole thread.
Once again, this isn’t saying tent Smith is good.
I was just defending him saying that he has decent trade value yesterday. It’s saying that you just doesn’t give us a piece that the FO wants—a player with HR power.
Why are you saying mean things about my favorite player?
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Yeah Petro! That's my job
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I think by focusing more on HRs
and RBI, you’re obscuring your ultimate thoughts on Smith. Also, by pointing out 15 home runs and then ignoring the large jump to 41 non-hr XBHs in part-time play, you’re neglecting that he may have been a bit unlucky in the HR department.
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that's pretty even splits
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
60 XBH in 533 PA would put him
fourth in the majors, behind guys like Braun and Stanton and just ahead of Tulo, Kemp, Beltran. This is an unreasonable expectation. Besides, he gets on base at a pretty good clip so it’s not like his offensive numbers are really one sided.
If they can get Cuddyer it would be great, but they should consider platooning him with Smith anyway. Unless they can get some good trade value back from Smith. Cuddyer has hit righties at a .264 clip in his career, compared to Smith’s .290 vs righties. Could be a nice platoon.
by DesertTurtle on Oct 5, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I wrote this a few days ago, but I like Cuddyer because he's a acceptable solution for several issues:
1) Platoon with Seth
2) 3B Hole, but still giving Stewart and Pacheco a chance to play.
3) A possible every day backup for Helton if he has a collapse.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Is Cuddyer that versatile? Don’t want a Wigginton type situation where he plays positions that he’s clearly not fit to be at.
by DesertTurtle on Oct 5, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
well, opposite in that he'd be decent in the outfield but questionable in the infield.
but that doesn’t matter because he’s going to hit .340 with RISP.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
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I have no clue what's going on in about 75% of those
A couple of them warranted explanation, IMO.
I mean come on, people, we can’t all be Woot/Groupon and have silly narratives describing a thing! I demand what actually happened!
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
It's weird in a way that I admire, but don't quite get.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
it's funny if done to like 1 thing
but doing it to all the things just made it a chore to read.
I also wasn’t entirely thrilled with “our top 5 are profanity alone!”
Yeah, I know it’s funny, but it’s like the shameless funny, like croquet nutshots and stuff like that.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I liked number 7
and 6 had me LOLing
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
LOLing?
How does that even work….maybe LingOL… :P
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 5, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
well put.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
hehe
I have to win, since my nickname is an acronym, right?
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 5, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you want to get some Taco Supremes and talk this out?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
RsBI
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Wrong
LOL, OMG, ♥ Added To The Oxford English Dictionary
Example sentence:
When you’re LOL-ing in real life, apparently your e-shorthand helps you connote that you are using an “informal, gossipy mode of expression”
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Huh.
Well I hate acronyms anyway.
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Oct 5, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
You are an easy target
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
what explanations
all I see is a mock dialogue between Werth and the guy in the Jefferson getup with no explanation as to what’s going on
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
That one doesn't have one.
But some others have a brief explanation in parentheses below the gif. It sounded like there were a bunch that you were referring to, so I wasn’t sure if the explanations were there from the beginning or not.
/crosses arms and frumps
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
What do we do to Trump the Frump?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
uh
get Jon Bois to post explanations of what the hell is going on in the gifs
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Marc Hulet goes over most disappointing prospects in the division
Lists Matzek and Tago for the Rockies. Not surprising, either of them.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/disappointing-2011-prospects-nl-west/
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 2:27 PM MDT reply actions
So, if you've ever wondered what Jose Reyes would look like swinging the bat naked....
…today’s your big day:
http://deadspin.com/5846882/hope-solo-and-friends-grace-the-covers-of-espn-the-magazines-nudie-issue
As a bonus, you also get to see what Hope Solo looks like watering her lawn. Naked.
Funny thing, I've never wondered what Reyes would look like
swinging naked. For that matter, I don’t think I’ve ever wondered that about any major leaguer…
And I’ve already seen what Hope Solo looks like watering her lawn naked. But there’s really no need for the authorities to know that. Restraining orders and what not…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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Well, for those who don't own binoculars and a tree stump costume....
the opportunity is now available to all.
Oh man
I was told that was Clay Matthews.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
ESPN the magazine sales must not be doing too hot if this is what they are doing to get people to pay attention
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
They do it every year.
Kind of like the SI Swimsuit issue. This is at least the 3rd year they’ve done it.
To be fair....
it has slightly more actual relevance to sports than the SI Swimsuit issue. And I have learned something about proper lawn maintenance from it, so it has an educational element as well.
I, for one, appreciate a fine human physique.
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-Ithink the picture of Reyes makes him look like the Preadator with the armour off.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Heh. True.
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I'd watch naked hula hooping
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I mean there is a lockout going on
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Two guys playing horse
it’s FAAAAAANTASTIC!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 5, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Two naked
NBA hunks playing horse….I’d watch that.
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So many horse related puns.....
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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O'Hara's obsevation of Murphy's Law...
Have you ever noticed the great disparity between the number of horse’s asses; to the number of horses?
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Should Raffy be included in the horse talk?
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Perhaps this has been posted before
but I thought this was an interesting new take on the M. Young almost-deal (from SI’s Heyman):
In fact, though they reluctantly tried to trade Young, keeping him may have been the best move of all. The Rangers had a tentative deal in place with the Rockies where they would have paid a bit more than half of Young’s $16-million salary and received Eric Young and one other young player, but after Texas went back to Michael Young and assured him he’d still have an everyday spot somewhere if he stayed, he told them that’s what he preferred. So the Rangers, never enthusiastic about the deal in the first place, went back to the Rockies to ask out of the deal, which Colorado agreed to, provided they’d have a chance to get that deal back if Young had a change of heart.
Man that Wells deal just gets worse and worse
rather than going 5/80 to Beltre .296/.331/.561 they go 4/86 to Wells .218/.248/.412 and give up Riviera .274/.333/.406 with the across town Dodgers and Napoli 320/.414/.631 to do it.
So instead of paying Napoli and Beltre 19 Million for 154 Runs 58 2B, 62HR, 180 RBI with Elite 3B D
they end up paying Wells and Mathis 24.7 Million for 78 Runs, 27 2B, 28HR 88RBI with a sub .200 BA
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it's rough man.
they’re also a team that’s generally refused to trade top prospects (Haren trade notwithstanding). They’ve also been pretty unlucky between Brandon Wood, Dallas McPherson, Nick Adenhart, and Kendrys Morales.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Then again, Mike Trout.
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hooray
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also peter bourjos
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Don't forget Casey Kotchman
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
ooooo he's a good one too!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
One reason I would want the Cards to win
is the potential for bench clearing millabouts or brawls between the Brewers and the Cards.
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i'd love to see the phillies lose to the yankees in the WS again
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
That's because you're a sick, sick man.
Brewers/Rangers means that someone is a first time WS champ.
That’s cool.
GO RANGERS!
Seriously. I rooted for them over the Rays.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
But you love the Yankees
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that's me.
and i thought only me….
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
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I like them more than Detroit.
And more than any NL playoff team except the Cardinals.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I just don't understand
/smh
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possibly some mincing
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
This would be okay too
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Those aren't quite as exciting, but it's better than nothing.
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I really dislike the Cards
not sure if it is the TLR thing or what but I just don’t like them
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I don't like them either. I like Matt Holliday. The End.
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albert? wainwright?
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Berkman is very likable.
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Alexander?
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Meh. He's fine. I don't dislike him. I just like Matt.
I have no love for Wainwright, I hate Carpenter.
I respect but don’t like Pujols.
I just like Matt.
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Those Rockies ties...
lol
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Pujols is fine, but seems to fall into the Cardinals epidemic of whining at times.
Including lately in regards to shadows.
I think the whining starts at the top
namely LaRussa
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In a discussion about him never giving out an A+ rating to prospects
someone brought up the fact that Harper, aside from him not playing a premium defensive position probably gets dinged a bit in the ratings for his make up.
Sickels responded with this:
i am not worried about Harper’s makeup. From all accounts, he works VERY hard. He can be kind of a dick from what i understand, but in my experience, most 18 year old athletes are dicks. Many of them grow out of it, and as long as he’s working hard on the field and staying out of trouble off, I’m not worried.
I think it’s a great response and it made me laugh.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Wow.
When my nephew was wrestler in high school at 18, he was decidedly not a dick. What a horrible indictment of all 18 year old athletes as a way to not bash Harper for being the dick that he is.
LAME
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cmon Cat
that’s not the message he was sending at all.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Please don't c'mon me.
That’s how I read it. That’s my opinion. :)
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Fair enough
but the dude did say most athletes while you said he indicted all athletes.
I think the larger point was what Holly was alluding to plus this idea that being a ‘dick’ can mean two very different things from an organizational perspective – if he works hard but is immature aside from that, it’s one thing but if a player is immature and it gets in the way of him working hard, it’s another – but this distinction often gets lost because people see Harper blow a kiss to a pitcher and say he has make up issues.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I would've fallen into the complete dick category when I was 18yo athlete
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I wasn't an athlete in HS
and probably would have also. well maybe not dick, but definitely a slacker…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I was an athlete in HS.
I was not a dick and most of my fellow athletes were not dicks either. Men or women. Obviously they were a handful, but in general they were not.
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I am sure if you went and asked him to clarify he would (maybe he meant those that are professional)
He is a very responsive and polite blogger in my experience.
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*there were a handful
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I believe it
though I’d probably be inclined to also believe that the athletes Sickels is talking about (IE received or preparing to receive substantial signing bonuses, getting a free-pass in college because of their ability, never having really struggled sports-wise) miiiiiiight be more prone to being dicks than then entire population of 18 year old athletes.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I can understand this.
Perhaps that’s his perspective.
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Oh sorry for the most vs all part of it.
I also think most 18 year old athletes are not dicks. I cannot say for sure, but I’m willing wager less are dicks that his “MOST” indicates.
For the record I don’t care if Harper is a dick or not, but to say "MOST: 18 year old athletes are dicks is plain silly.
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I would argue most 18 YO millionaires are arrogant
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Was your nephew as good at wrestling as Bryce Harper is at baseball?
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Is that even the point?
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maybe don't take a general point so personally
Most 18 year old athletes I’ve ever known have been complete dicks. Some weren’t.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't take it personally.
I used my nephew as an example. Simple as that. I think for a writer to say “most” 18 year old athletes are dicks is plain insulting to thousands of 18 year old athletes. And I thought it was poor way to shrug off Harper’s “dickishness”
I almost didn’t even mention my nephew, because I was afraid this “taking it personally” thing would be mentioned. But I felt if I didn’t then the rebuttal could be, “well do you know any 18 year old athletes”.
Citing an example from my life, isn’t necessarily taking it personally.
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Citing an example from your life as well as a family member's is most certainly taking it personally
And yet again, we have a derailed point because a minor quibble in phrasing has blown up into a federal case.
Yes, this is completely derailed.
The point of it was pretty clearly “Bryce Harper is young and arrogant. That’s likely the explanation for his dickish behavior. With any luck, he’ll grow out of it.”
Sickels has covered an awful lot of 18 year old athletes. I’d think we could defer to him on this one here.
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by Andrew Martin on Oct 5, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, RMN, but I think you're really misinterpreting me here.
Do you disagree that someone would have said, well have you ever known any 18 year old athletes to make that comparison?
I think most of us here at one time or another, have cited our personal experiences as a part of conversations.
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but you're implying that your personal experience with your nephew renders sickels' point illegitimate
which it does not, since he said “most,” leaving plenty of room for your 18 year old wrestler nephew
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
It just happened to be the first that came to mind as an example.
So if that makes it personal okay…But to my mind that’s not the same thing “taking it personally”. YMMV.
It’s not like I was saying “OMG HE”S ONLY TALKING ABOUT MY NEPHEW". But it seems that’s how it’s being interpreted so I’ll just agree to disagree.
Resolution pointed out, if his experience has been with some subset of the thousands of 18 year old athletes out there and he found them dickish then that’s his perspective.
But no I didn’t “take it personally” as though he was singling out my nephew or yours.
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lol @ victorino
on berkman’s double
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Ha! A squirrel just ran across homeplate
It should be a no pitch and make it a do over.
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Jason Stark tweeted a squirrel track caused a philly to make a bad throw today.
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Yeah, I saw that.
That’s why I was wondering if there was some squirrel history with these two teams or at that ballpark.
Are you suggesting that people might
be squirreling away squirrels in their backpacks or purposes with the intent to release
said squirrels as a means of disrupting play?
And I really hope that you are! Because that would be hilarious.
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*with the purpose
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No, I had not even considered that.
That would be hilarious. I just missed a bit of the squirrel back story.
It would be far more interesting
than stealing billygoats etc.
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but you can't squirrel them away
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It is a little squirrely.
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it's a very squirrely word for sure
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somebody get me out of this padding!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Somebody needs to mash that up
with the Flying Cargo….
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Heads up play by Pujols
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 5, 2011 5:39 PM MDT reply actions
I thought Chutley was going to dislocate his shoulder on that dive
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Me too - weird play to go for third there
It got put into play and he HAD 2nd base… play it safe and stay in scoring position.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 5, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
OT: Holy crap
Apple reporting Steve Jobs has died
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Where'd you read that?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 5, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
AP/ CNN
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Wow.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Oct 5, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
sad
I remember reading a story a couple of months ago that he was really sick.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Oct 5, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
HR for Freese
5-2 Cards now
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JFK
5-3 now
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Howard Ks in the most important at-bat of the night
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JFK
no surprise there
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
It wouldn't be
if I had said (insert Rockies player here) K’d in an important at-bat
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JFK
"insert Rockies player here"
it’s a lot easier to just type tulo or wiggy
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
reply fail to jrockies just above
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
no freaking way
did la russa use salas, his best reliever, in the higher leverage 8th inning instead of the 9th? mind is blown
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Why couldn't Huston Street have done that in 2009???
ARGH!
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Huston also had a terrible call go against IIRC
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several of them
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Cards win
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
So I think I might root for the Dbacks
just we can have a game 5 in Milwaukee
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So is this Dbacks game going to start soon?
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FLOVE
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on my ipod actually
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Oddly enough,
though the Smiths are one of my all time favorite groups, I’m not a big fan of this song.
It’s like Blue Monday with New Order. The song that people most think of when they think of the band is a song that I don’t particularly like that much. I like Blue Monday far less though.
Well I have a couple of Smiths CDs
I prefer “Girlfriend in a Coma” and “I Started Something I couldn’t finish”
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Both off their final album. Nice.
I was a little obsessed. I had a Smiths poster in my room when I was in high school. I had a Morrissey poster in my place in college. I once did a show where I dressed as Morrissey and covered Smiths songs.
So, yeah.
wow. grand slam Ryan Roberts
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Four straight home games with a grand slam for Arizona
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Brewers trying to punch back
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I feel terrible everytime I see poor Huston in that Tigers ad
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Holy moly Rizzo tweets
Arizona is 83 and 8 when leading by 2+ runs in 2011 regular season. THAT is Beast Mode.
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OT: Aww real Twitter hashtag :(
about Steve Jobs passing. Appropriate
#iSad
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Thanks. I'll check it out later :)
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Why so?
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D'backs are scoring 2.5 runs per inning.
Final score: 22.5 – 9.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
D'Backs scored all of thir runs in the 1st
Brewers are building a fence: 1 1 1
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
mmm, doesn't make my comment any less true.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions
They'll score 3 next inning ;)
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
So. I hate the Brewers now for ruining this.
I’ve never seen a team score only one run in each inning in every inning. I hope they lose.
Yeah.
Although I love basketball, and I was always pretty good at it, I stopped playing it a long time ago because of the guys who I would play.
I went for soccer and ultimate in my twenties.
My friends and I play quite a bit of pickup basketball
Tryouts for club baseball are in 2 weeks! I’m super excited.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
but back on the point
I dunno what it is, but there is always a level of dislike between two teams in a pick-up game (provided you didn’t previously know the people). Which is kind of funny, IMO
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
It's worse in leagues with adult men.
It’s like they’re going to win the NBA finals or something. Of course, I also used to coach middle school sports and watch idiot coaches for other teams act like Vince Lombardi, or Vince McMahon. Some people are just wired wrong.
I found less of this when I played soccer, particularly in co-ed leagues which gave me the same amount of fun and exercise. I never played in an ultimate league, but the pickup games were always very chill. I’d think that college clubs can still be pretty intense though. Good luck.
Anyway, now I’m in my thirties, have kids, and I’m overweight and out-of-shape. It’s the circle of life or something.
Thanks Petro.
The competitive edge is just so…intensely overwhelming among certain individuals. Pushes me away from the sports a bit.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Good luck with that baseball tryout
/assuming you do tryout
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by jrockies on Oct 5, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks :)
and I most certainly am
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by CentralCaliRox on Oct 5, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
brew crew comeback time
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Your sigline...you spelled New York Yankees wrong
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by SDcat09 on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
odd time to mention that
really though, i’ve never understood genericyankeehate. like, i get it if you’re a boston fan, or another AL east team, or athletics, or royals, or even if you’re old and a dodgers fan, but i just don’t get it otherwise.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I don't hate the Yankees.
But I find people that root for them who aren’t from New York to be a little annoying.
I hate Phillies, Yanks and Red Sox
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I find the entire Red Sox fan base unbearably annoying.
Hating the Phillies is like hating the New Orleans Saints or something. It doesn’t resonate with me.
Oh oh oh...you did not try to compare
The Saints and the Phillies?
/smh
No just no.
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Because the Saints
were just horrible forever and ever and ever.
They are bloated, arrogant, their ballpark is a rinky dink short porch that for a team with such a history should challenge themselves more with a tougher ballpark. (huh, sounds familiar).
The loveable ’Aints. And when they finally won it was brilliant.
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Because theSaintsPhillies
were just horrible forever and ever and ever.
They are bloated, arrogant, their ballpark is a rinky dink short porch that for a team with such a history should challenge themselves more with a tougher ballpark. (huh, sounds familiar).
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
The Phillies havent' been horrible
for about 20 years. I’m not going back to 30s or 40s here.
Philly fans are just as arrogant as Yankee and Red Sox fans. This is my personal opinion of having dealt with those fans. SSS…but enough for me to just plain dislike all 3 teams.
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I still hate them from the 80's
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Right.
But they really only have two good periods in well over a century—the late 70s through the early 80s and right now. 1993 was a complete fluke.
There are very few of the original teams that can say that they have been good so infrequently. Even the Cubs have had more stretches of quality teams.
Wasn't Kruk on that team, thus making it not a fluke?
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He was there.
But it doesn’t change that in 1992 they were in last place with 92 losses. Then, in 1994, they were second-to-last. Truly a fluke if there ever was one.
strike one
you swung and missed at the sarchasm
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JFK
And those two periods
of time turned them and their fans into arrogant PITAs. I give arrogant Yankee fans at least credit for having a team that they can somewhat justify their arrogance.
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No.
They’ve always been like that. Have you never visited Philadelphia? You know they booed Santa Clause, right?
No I've not been to Philly.
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I do love Philly steak sandwiches
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Phillies are one of two teams with 10,000 losses (Atlanta is the other)
They have been around a while but you don’t get that many losses without really bad seasons.
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JFK
I'm referring to their most recent history.
But again, like I said below about hating the Yankees.. No one will change my mind about hating that team, or hating the Yankees or hating the Red Sox.
Or the Giants.
And I really hate the Giants more than any other team in all of sports.
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I'm not making excuses or arguments for anyone
just stating one of the more interesting facts I happen to know about the team.
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JFK
Oh that's fine.
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So maybe I should have said, you left out the Yankees from your sigline
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but i'm a yankees fan, that wouldn't make sense.
i hate the phillies and red sox first as a rockies fan. i also hate the phillies and red sox as a yankee fan. what i’m trying to communicate is, i don’t understand why people who have no real reason to hate the yankees, like say rockies fans, do so. it’s just weird to me.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Why should a Yankees fan hate the Phillies?
The teams have no reason at all for a historical rivalry, nor did they ever have one.
it's an extension of hating their fans
phillies fans here have an immense sense of entitlement and superiority complex that their team is far better than it is, and has accomplished far more than it has.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Yeah.
You just solved your own problem then. Why do some Rockies fans hate the Yankees? Their fans.
It’s no different than you disliking the Phillies. Because there is absolutely no rivalry there at all.
that doesn't answer the question, though
when phillies fans talk big because they’ve been relevant for the past 5 years and they think it’s been forever, that’s very different than understanding that the yankees have been the most successful franchise in sports history.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Look I don't know you from Adam. nor you I,
and you seem like a nice person. Not every Yankee fan is a jerk and not every Rockies fan is a nice person. But trying to convince me that I have no reason to hate the Yankees is pointless.
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well i'm not trying to convince you not to (but you totally shouldn't ;)
i’m just trying to understand why is all
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
What difference does it make?
and I totally should and do hate the Yankees, the Phillies, the Red Sox and the Giants.
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no difference made
just searching for knowledge and perspective
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Aren't we all?
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JFK
Not me.
I’m closed minded , hate any new information…in fact
GET OFF MY LAWN :P
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Can I mow it first? I'll even do it for free.
Baseball is over and I need something to do.
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
If only I had a lawn
You can vacuum and dust my house.
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and, how often do most rockies fans truly interact with the stereotypical WFAN caller yankee fan?
or really any yankee fans at all?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
How often do Yankees fan come in contact with Philly fans?
It’s the same thing.
My issue is with people who are not from New York choosing to root for the Yankees because they’re winners. It’s just weak in my book.
No, they root for them because Jeter is "hawt"
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JFK
new york and philly are 2 hours apart
new york and colorado are 2000 miles apart
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I fail to see what geography has to do with
hating a team. I live in San Diego. I hate the Chargers. I hate their fans.
I love the Broncos and I love (mostly) the fans. I don’t come into contact with Bronco fans except at sports bars.
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Do you live in the northeast?
Have you lived there? It ain’t like people just get up in the morning and say, “Let’s go to Philadelphia today.”
i go to college in vermont
so yes
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
never been to baltimore
but i’ve flown in and out of philly a good 10 times at least, and probably 1/3 of my school is from pennsylvania
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
no
nor do i desire to, everyone i know from there hates it
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
This is the point.
I’ve lived there. Even though the cities are close, people don’t just decide to go to another city for a day trip. People interact as much between New York and Philadelphia as they do between Denver and Salt Lake city or Albuquerque. It happens, but it ain’t everyday.
I mean, even the Giants and Eagles barely have a rivalry. Nor the Knicks and Sixers.
Really
Boston, Philly, New York, DC, and Baltimore are all worth seeing for their own reasons.
Love DC. It’s the best.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah it's really nice
been to new york, boston and DC. no real interest in going to baltimore though
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Camden Yards is a great stadium.
Maybe when the Yankees are there, go down for a day. See the Inner Harbor. Get some seafood including some crab cakes. It’s a great trip. Equally as good as Boston and Philly and MUCH cheaper.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
wasn't it designed by the same group that did coors?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Yes it was
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Yes.
But it’s different. It’s the first of the new ballparks really. I think it holds up pretty well against most of the parks the followed it. Top ten of all parks, top 5 of new parks.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
yankee and philly fans can and should come into contact frequently
yankee fans and rockies fans should not interact often.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I run into Yankee fans more often than you'd think
because I go to sports bars. And not everyone that goes to a sports bar is an annoying drunk either.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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you also are not a typical rockies fan
you live in san diego
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I'm still not seeing why you think
the liking or disliking of a team or it’s fans is based on geography.
Hating the Yankees is like a national pastime.
I grew up in Colorado. I moved to San Diego before the Rockies even existed. I adopted the Rockies after they were born. So geography doesn’t really factor into my support or dislike of teams.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Just my tuppence'th
But people hate the Yankees because, for fans of EVERY OTHER TEAM the Yanks are the big bad wolves of baseball, the ones with most money, most fans (including a large proportion of glory-hunters), most leverage, most media fawning, most stars.
It is as natural as breathing for fans of smaller teams to react against them, to celebrate most when they beat them, to celebrate them losing even to other teams. That’s why we hate the Yankees.
Yeah,
About that…..
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I just figured your sigline was referencing annoying East Coast teams.
I actually liked the Yankees back in the late 70s. Never liked them after they fired Billy Martin the last time.
They are bloated, arrogant, have a rinky dink short porch that for a team with such a history should challenge themselves more with a tougher ballpark.
I’d take the Mets over the Yankees anyday.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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park and league adjusted team 113 wRC+ disagrees
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Well, they can disagree. I stand by my Yankee hatred.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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There are many things I dislike about the Yankees
I dislike the way they do business.
I dislike $2,500 seats at Yankee Stadium.
I dislike Michael Kay.
I dislike the media hype over the team in general.
I dislike almost all of the non-New Yorker Yankee fans I’ve met personally.
That said, I respect the team’s history and will say that some of the most knowledgeable baseball fans out there are fans of the Yankees. I also really like Mariano Rivera, a great player and by all accounts a better person.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
by free7694 on Oct 5, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talk about the ultimate AU
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7-4
Here come the Brewers (still)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Aaron Hill hits another out
with only 38K in attendance.
8-4 now
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
at least we pack the house for the playoffs
poor tampa and arizona
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
They sold 10,000
tickets in the last 24 hours. We would have sold this game out 3 weeks ago without even being in the playoffs.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
That's for sure
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Petro might be right about a 9-5 score
just has the teams wrong
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Bob Melvin is now coaching in Oakland
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
He must be bored.
There’s no players right now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I saw that the other day. Seems like a strange choice
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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D'Backs have 3 HR tonight and 8 in the series
and people still think Coors is a launching pad?
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
who is scheduled to start on friday?
it would be greinke/hudson, right?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Kennedy and Gallardo
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
per the radio announcers
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
huh
you’d think roenicke would want his best pitcher on the mound. guess not though.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Gallardo is the "ace" of the staff
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
for some reason
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I think it might have to do Grienke's anxiety disorder
maybe it’s tough for him to be the staff ace…I dunno.
Like I said the other day, when Gallardo is on, he’s nearly unhittable.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
oh yeah, gallardo's really good
but zack greinke is zack freaking greinke
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I know. But I am being serious about his anxiety disorder
It almost destroyed his career.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Actually,
He’s Donald Zackary Greinke.
There’s no freaking in there at all.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
It's Donald Zachary Freaking Grienke
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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the freaking is in invisible ink
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
No, the freaking is just assumed
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
dbacks 9-5 now
Petro you were almost prescient.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Another D'Back bomb
Young’s second.
Petro isn’t getting his 9-5 prediction as it’s 10-4 now
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Oh duh I guess I missed the runner on base! doh
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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What about his eggs?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
He's got eggs?
I thought that the chickens came first.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
16 actually
because I had two for breakfast
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
I just said DON'T COUNT THEM!
Have you no respect for your elders?
/kidstodaywitheirhairandtheirclothesandtheircomplicatedshoes
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Funny thing
I didn’t count them, I just knew
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
How do you know if you didn't count them?
There’s a logical fallacy there somewhere.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Well
I bought them yesterday and there were 18 in the crate (or at least that’s what I was led to believe), I used two this morning so really it’s just math: 18-2=16
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
but if you don't see the eggs
are they really there?
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Well, if you are blind, yes
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I could keep this joke going,
but I’m tired. I’ll only say, never assume. Especially when there are eggs involved.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll keep that in mind
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
I'd say they are more to count your chickens by
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well, if you put
all your eggs in one basket you should know how many there are.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
but only if you counted before hand (or as you put them in the basket)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
but if you put the whole carton in the basket
without opening the carton then you would know you have all your eggs in one basket. And it would be 18 or 12
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
that's assuming you have exactly one carton
and not more than one or extra eggs left over from a previous carton. I agree with Petro, don’t assume when it comes to eggs.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
but you said you a carton of 18 eggs
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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to start with. So
if you put that original carton in the basket you would know you had 18 eggs all in one basket.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Ha...Four nuns at the game in their habits!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Error on Weeks (what a surprise)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
hey now, he's no yuni betancourt
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
He doesn't need to be
Yuni’s on his team
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
and they're the NL favorite
/sigh
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I hate to dwell on attendance again
But they announced the Dbacks crowd tonight.
38K.
TONS of empty seats in the upper deck.
ಠ_ಠ
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
What's the capacity?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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48K+
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
OVER 9000!
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
by papality on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+9000
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
More than what is currently in the stadium is what you mean
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
EVIL CARGO WITH THE LAZOR!
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
Who are you and what have you done with HollidayRain?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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You have to admit, that was a freaking lazor
And I’m rooting for Milwaukee =)
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
But but you cannot say LAZOR in conjuction with any other CarGo.
It’s wrong. And you invented it!!!!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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touche
allow me to make amends:
Oh my, I do believe that Evil CarGo just hit a laser over the left field wall. ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
that's better. whew
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OT: i love metallica
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Sandman ROCKS! I don't care who you are
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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you don't love metallica?
AND you hate the yankees?
thank god we’re not on a blind date.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I never said that I hate the Yankees.
I hate it when my date does;t listen to me.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
bahhahahahahaa
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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If you were on a blind date, how would you know he was there?
See: question about egss
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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And, anything after And Justice For All is pretty lame.
Really after Master of Puppets even. It’s just Pop-Metal without the hair spray. But I really should sleep.
by DumbAndNerdy on Oct 5, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I love how brick-wall limited their last album was
MOAR COMPRESSION, YOUR EARS MUST BLEED
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
death magnetic?
easily on par with the black album, better if you prefer 7 and 8 minute affairs versus the 4 and 5 minutes
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
10-6 now...Brewers tying to hand in there. EVIL CARGO!!!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Aren't the Rockies usually one of the two teams at the big launching pad
since I don’t see them…
Top of 9
Nyja gets an infield single.
Braun doubles to the gap and drives in Nyja.
Prince draws a walk.
Weeks doubles, Braun scores, Prince to third.
Hairston singles, drives in both runs, advances to second on throw.
Betancourt advances Hairston to third on ground out.
Lucroy sac fly.
Let’s see it happen!
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
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Hollidayrain Music
I realize that the players in this are completely wrong because I was looking at the Game 3 lineup
FAIL…..but nevertheless. Let’s see it happen BrewCrew
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
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Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Tickets for NLCS in Arizona
go on sale tomorrow at 9:00am (AZ time)
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Don't they go back to Milwaukee?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Oh I'm stupid. NLCS...never mind
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I'm sure those'll sell well....but only if the Phillies make it in #pwned
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
by Hollidayrain on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
OUCH. That's gotta hurt
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Oh hai thar Saito
And thanks for giving me one of my best memories!
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
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Hollidayrain Music
I'm kind of glad this one didn't work out that way
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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How do you walk the leadoff man up four runs in the 9th
That’s just terrrible baseball. You have to at least make him put it in play in that spot.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 10:57 PM MDT reply actions
bahahah okay those signs were funny
“I Like Big Putz” and “I cannot tell a lie”
I lol’d
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Oddly, Putz does have some back
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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Back to Milwaukee
Oh boy
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
yeup. But yay Game 5! And Milwaukee really should win at home
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well
Three game 5’s in the next two days. This should be fun.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 5, 2011 11:04 PM MDT reply actions
Hey guys
I’m not sure where RG is with her rockpile right now. If there’s not something up in the next 30m or so, I’ll throw up a placeholder or something so that you all have a fresh thread to talk in, but I’m somewhat buried at work today.
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