Which player will the Rox most likely sign (poll)?
by Rockies7935 on Oct 9, 2011 2:27 PM MDT
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My first fan post and I thought this would be a good question to ask for a poll.
The choices are David Wright, Josh Willingham, Michael Cuddyer, Mark Buehrle, Cj Wilson. David Wright could get us back on track at 3B, Willingham would seem to be a better Wiggy utility man for LF and possibly 3B. Cuddyer, in my opinion, is the most realistic one for us and I think he could really help us. Buehrle and Wilson are both possible to substitute in for Cook and Hammel.
Thanks for voting, who'd you pick?
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I don't really want any of those players.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Oct 9, 2011 5:49 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I should re-phrase that
I don’t really want to give up what it would take (in terms of money and/or players) to get any of those players.
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This opens up a pretty important point
The poll asks – “What player has the highest chance of playing in a Rockies uniform that didn’t last year?”.
That’s different than "What player would you most like to see in a Rockies uniform that wasn’t in one last year?
I’m glad you mentioned that because both are great questions to ask. And in many cases, won’t have to same answer.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of a couple of AL East teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
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I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of a couple of AL East teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
That's why I voted for Buehrle..
but I would rather see CJ Wilson on our team.
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i'll vote for wright because i'm probably his biggest advocate around here, but
i’d vote for edwin jackson if you had included him
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It's tough since the poll is who is most likely
and not who I’d want the most. Most likely looks like Cuddyer right now
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think we'll sign Cuddyer and Jackson
If there was a better third base option than Ramirez and Wright didn’t cost so much, I’d be against his signing. However, it seems like they want to replace Smith with Cuddyer and use Smith to fill other holes on the team.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
There's a pretty good discussion regarding David Wright unfolding in Thursday's Rockpile
Since that page is starting to get buried under other front page stories, I’d thought I’d post the conversation here as Wright is one of the five choices listed. Hopefully I don’t choke the liveliness out of it by uprooting it’s location but it has a better chance to keep buring longer in here while there’s still a link on the front page to it.
Also, sorry Rockies7935 if I’m hijacking your post.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of a couple of AL East teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 9, 2011 11:10 PM MDT reply actions
In any case
Here’s a Met fan’s view on what it might take to get David Wright.
You may think i’m crazy about this because i’m a Mets fan but the only way the Rockies will even be able to have discussions to get Wright is automatically putting Pomeranz in the deal, there would be no way the Rockies can get Wright except by including Drew, and you guys might think i’m crazy but on top of that they’ll gonna have to add Arenado to the deal. You might say Wright’s stats aren’t what they used to be but one it’ mostly because of citi field, if he is able to play 81 games in Colorado he will easily be the same 30-30 he was a few years ago. The Mets won’t take anything less then Pomeranz and Arenado in a deal, if they were able to get the Giants to give them Wheeler for Beltran they’ll have an easier time trying to get Pomeranz and Arenado. No Met fan wants Wright traded but we know if Reyes leaves we won’t be in it for atleast until 2013, they’ll want to stock up on talent, the Mets don’t have anybody like Drew in the system and he will be the main target and the Mets will want Arenado to fill in for Wright in a couple of years. Personally i feel this trade is gonna happen, can’t you just imagine a lineup with Tulo, Wright and CarGo in it, that’s just plain nasty, the Rockies probably feel the same way which is why they would feel a bit pressured to make this deal. In the end for some reason i feel the trade would be like Pomeranz, Arenado, Brothers or Rosario for Wright, Pagan and 2 B level prospects who had great years but won’t have a position on this team in a couple of years like Lagares and Satin. Lol sorry for such a long post just saying what are most Met fan opinions on this.
by Nick m. on Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM EDT replyactions
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of a couple of AL East teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 9, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i said it there too,
but that is a ludicrous set of demands.
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I agree with the fact that they're allowed to a little overpricing him
They treat Wright as the face of the franchise here in New York; they’ve always known Reyes to be more for himself so they won’t want to let Wright go as easily.
I liked the Smith, Bettis, Arenado and Wheeler package though, that’s more than enough for the Mets for Wright and Pagan, given we get an extension window on Wright.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
On second thought
I’d probably replace Wheeler with Blackmon if we give up Smith, though it no Pagan is in the deal then it’s purely Bettis, Arenado and Wheeler.
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replace arenado with rosario and stewart
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
So i see what you guys are saying about not putting Pomeranz
into the deal, if that would happen and the Mets would still be listening to an offer they’re gonna want Arenado, Rosario, Wheeler and Bettis. I don’t see the point of having Arenado on your team if you get Wright, unless he could move over to 1st. The Mets want a catcher so if they don’t get Pomeranz he will be their next target. Bettis would just go into the competiton to become part of the Mets rotation with Harvey, Wheeler, Familia and Mejia. And Tim Wheeler is a bit intersting the Mets have been interested in trying to get a power outfielder and he fits that description. Though Rosario, Bettis and Wheeler have to many negatives for the Mets that would make them want to replace them for Pomeranz. Rosario and Wheeler strike out a lot especially Wheeler. Bettis doesn’t project them much more then a middle of a rotation starter and the Mets want someone who will be on the top of their rotation. Thats why i’ve been saying the Mets will only want Pomeranz and Arenado.
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Do you really think that we’ll give up or the Mets will be so bold as to demand Arenado, Rosario, Wheeler, and Bettis for one season of Wright when he’s declined significantly (though is still above avg), and missed 60 games last season with a back problem, and when we gave up Holliday who in a lot of ways was our Wright, whose production hadn’t declined and who didn’t miss 60 games with a back issue the previous year for only CarGo, Street, and Greg Smith?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yeah the back problem
was his only significant injury in his career and he didn’t show any effects once he got back. When did Wright’s number start dropping? When he went to Citi field, Wright in Coors Field= 30-30 type numbers. That was the Rockies decision to just get CarGo, Street and Smith, they might have been able to get more nobody knows what goes on during these trade discussion between teams, the Rockies might have caved for just CarGo, Street and Smith nobody knows.
The Rockies settled for 'just' those three guys
because it was a fair, rational trade. The potential packages being thrown around for Wright look like they’re from MLB 2k8 when he was still at his peak.
I certainly think Wright will improve from his last few seasons but his strikeout rate has increased significantly since his peak three seasons ago, his power has been all over the place, and most importantly to me his defense has gone from a positive to well below average.
If we made this trade, it would have to be for Wright 4 seasons ago when we would still have him for 4-5 seasons and he would have been significantly cheaper.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
You blame all of Wright's struggles over the last three years on Citi Field
But his three lowest wRC+ and OPS+ (stats that are league and park adjusted) numbers have come from 2009-2011. You can’t be trading Wright based on what he was four years ago, you have to trade him based on what he is now which is an injury-prone 3rd baseman, albeit a good one, on the last year of his contract. Asking Pomeranz and Arenado for that is simply ridiculous.
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he also has hit better at citi over that time period than on the road
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Yeah when you play somewhere for
81 games they’ll get accustomed to that park and they have little tweaks here and there but once you get to another park you may want to change your stance a bit which will affect you. Players have a mindset of a stance they do and when you use that stance 81 games at the same park but something else might work in a visiting park so they try changing it but they’re so used to their old stance which hurts them on the road. Lol idk if you get what i’m saying. My brother used to take batting practice at his cage and the owner was like a career minor leaguer, his name was Kevin Baez i think and he said whenever he went on the road he tried to make a little adjustment to his stance to try to accommodate the park.
but you can't say citi made wright a worse hitter when he's been a better hitter there than everywhere else
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Really he's injury prone now?
Becuase he was injured for 1 season out of his whole career that makes him injury prone? So if Tulo hurts his leg this year and out for say 2 months that now makes him Injury prone which will drop his trade value?
tulo already has the popular image of being injury prone
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Really?
I never heard anyone say Tulo was injury prone
Tulo always seems to get called out for being injury prone
regarding Wright, I think injury-prone is too extreme a term. You’re right, he’s really only had one injury. I just think the fact that it was a stress fracture in his back as opposed to say missing 60 games because he took a pitch off the wrist, makes it a bit scarier.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
The back problem is a big thing around here
See, we have this top of the line player for a long time and a few years back he developed back issues of his own. Since then his production has wavered (although he’s still been good) and he’s had the two worst years of his career. I’m not saying Wright will be the same way but I guarantee the Rockies will be wary of it.
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But also wasn't he older
when he hurt his back, to me when someone is older they’ll have more of a problem with it then someone in his 20s. Like Wright could recoup from it faster. I’m no doctor so i have no idea how that would work out, but Wright didn’t show any after effects from the back injury when he came back.
Those demands would be just on the edge of "kind of reasonable"
If Wright had 3 years left on his deal. For one year of Wright that’s an absurd list, never ever ever ever going to even begin to happen. “Hi Mr. O’Dowd, Sandy Alderson here. For Wright, we’re going to need Arenado, Rosario, Whe-” CLICK “Hello? Hello?”
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Oct 10, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
part of the difficulty is that on account of Wright's option which voids if traded,
any acquiring team is getting 1 year of Wright, while the Mets are losing 2 years of Wright….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
True
but it’s not like anything can be done about it on their end. If they want to move him (which I realize may or may not be the case) they have to price him like he’s a one and done guy. Of course if they’re content with keeping him and are only listening on offers in case one bowls them over, they can price him accordingly.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Oct 10, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah exactly what you said
The Mets don’t have to get rid of Wright, they might if Reyes signs elsewhere which right now is a 50-50 thing. The Mets will trade him to whoever gives them the best offer. The only teams that would be interested in Wright and match up with the Mets are the Rockies, Reds, Maybe the Tigers, Maybe the Cards if they lose Pujols, Angels and A’s. The Rockies could give them the best package but if they don’t give the Mets exactly what they want they won’t get him, another team might just cave into the Mets demands, so if Wright is ever traded and like i have said this is only my opinion so don’t attack my opinion the Mets will trade Wright and maybe a B level prospect like Lagares for Pomeranz and Arenado.
Wright is not the trump card he once was in a trade
In fact, the Padres are in a better position to demand a haul in a swap for Chase Headley than the Mets are for Wright. Headley’s proved just as (if not more) valueable than Wright each of the last two seasons, is younger as well as under team control for a longer period of time, and will be cheaper.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of a couple of AL East teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 10, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Please tell me you're joking right now
You’re saying Chase Headley has been better then Wright the last 2 seasons? Wright was injured all of last season and still had better overall stats then Headley. All Headley has on Wright is he’s a better fielder, doesn’t strikeout as much and had a bit of a better WAR. When it is all said and done the Mets are gonna get 2 top prospects for Wright, if they decide to trade him. Get Wright the protection in a lineup he needs and he’s a MVP candidate again. Seriously all you guys base on Wright are his stats and what you hear on ESPN. When you watch a player 162 times a year you understand what type of player they are then you can start talking about them however you want. Wright is still as great as he was a few years back but if he didn’t have 100 different people telling him to change his batting stance and the way he throws he would be the best 3rd baseman in baseball. Personally i’m sick of having this discussion because all you guys say is he was injured last year and you think he’s injury prone now, he doesn’t have the same power, his defense sucks and he strikeouts too much. Lets talk about what he is great at, he makes some of the best Defensive plays in baseball. He has good instincts he makes most of his errors throwing the ball. He still has great power, and still has good speed there’s a reason he was a 30-30 guy and i don’t care how much people don’t agree but he is a great clutch player. And Wright is almost always on the field, other then last season he has never had another major injury In every season except his rookie and last season he’s played 140+ games. I’m done with this because no one knows what’s gonna happen just wait and see.
According to WAR,
Which takes batting, fielding, base running, position, and park effects in account, yes I’m saying that Chase Headley has been just as good if not better than David Wright over the last two seasons. More specifically, I’m saying that Headley would wheel more value in a trade than Wright at the moment. And not just because of WAR either. Age, $ owed, and years under team control all play a roll in this as well.
This example is not meant as a knock on Wright. It instead serves as a litmus test for how cold the reality is for the Mets in this department right now. If the question was who is the better hitter (now or in the past), it would be Wright in a landslide. If the question was who has been the better overall player throughout their career, the answer would again be Wright in an even bigger landslide. Unfortunately for the Mets, those questions are not relevant when determining Wright’s value on the trade market. The question that is important however is Wright’s appeal to possible suitors vs. other 3B who may be available.
It sounds unfair, (and on many levels it is) but what Wright means to the Mets and their fans doesn’t matter once trade discussions begin – Especially, when a younger, cheaper, better fielding, serviceable bat may be on the market.
I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I would MUCH rather have Headley...
Not necessarily saying I think he’s better than Wright, but I do think he fits in better with our current group of players, and it would cost less to get him.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Unfortunatelt GM's can't sit around and say "I’m done with this because no one knows what’s gonna happen just wait and see"
They have to find ways of evaluating players. And RIRF’s post above explains exactly why Headley may be more “valuable” in a trade sense than Wright. You can feel aggrieved at the unfairness of it all but it doesn’t mean you should stick your head in the sand and avoid the facts.
Personally, the centerpiece is either Arenado or Rosario
When you’re getting a package like Bettis (who has TOR potential with a plus fastball and slider, clocked at 100 and 91), and Wheeler, you have to compromise. with one of which. If you want both, you’ll only get Rosario and Arenado. I could see us giving up both but only if there’s nothing else included. Both of them are consensus top 50 prospects, which is a huge haul for a year of Wright.
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Also, Wheeler and Bettis are top 100 prospects
Bettis might move up to the top 50 by midseason, he’s rising really fast.
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Headley is a much better option
The rockies don’t really need another big slugger who can hit 25+ home runs, especially one with back problems. Tulo and Cargo could each easily have 30+ homers in 2012 and Helton, Giambi, Iannetta, and (if he is still around) Wigginton are good for 10+. Fowler also seemed to find his power at the end of the season. Wright will be expensive, and although I don’t think his back problems will be an issue, his stats will probably decline a little. Headley and Wright will probably have similar averages and OBP so the only big difference will most likely be their power. The Rockies have struggled to find players who can consistently hit for average, Headley has proven he can do this very well. I think the Padres would bite on a trade including Wheeler/Blackmon(the Padres severely lack power so maybe Wheeler would be a better fit here), Arenado and maybe a pitcher (not Pomnarez). Headley has already gone through the growing pains the Arenado is bound to deal with and I don’t see any reason why we should keep both players. It is incredibly important that the Rockies third basemen plays excellent defense,and to me Headley’s defensive skills are more important to the Rockies than Wrights slugging ability. The Rockies have plenty of power in their lineup, what they need is players who can get on base and score runs. The Mets are clearly going to be VERY reluctant to give up Wright. With Beltran gone and Reyes on the move the Mets are only going to part with Wright for a few of the Rockies top prospects, which is not worth it. A move for Headley could benefit both the Rockies and the Padres which is essential in trades within leagues.
I'd rather wait for Arenado
Than give him up for Headley. In a year or two Arenado will be outproducing him in the MLB.
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I think we should still try to get Daniel Murphy from the Mets instead of Wright
There will be no place for him to play. 1B, you have, if he gets healthy is Ike Davis. 2B, Justin Turner, SS(unknown), 3B Wright. Murphy can also play OF. I know that sounds like a utility man, but he can start many games at one of those positions. He don’t play SS though.
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