Sunday Rockpile: Rockies more aggressive this winter, while Ty Wigginton seeks to become a Snakeman

by Rox Girl on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 AM MST in Rockpile

Troy Renck says that the Rockies near miss pursuit of Jamey Carroll shows them to be more dogged and aggressive in their pursuit of player help than they were a year ago. As Renck notes, if this aggression winds up with the Rockies obtaining Martin Prado rather than Carroll, I can say that any of us will complain that much. If the team also adds Grady Sizemore, I think we'll also be pleased, or if as the next note down on the ramifications of Juan NIcasion's recovery indicates, we add a true "impact starter" rather than just an innings eater. All that said, the proof will be in the pudding as to whether this club's affliction of trying hard but achieving little when it comes to outside player procurement turns around. To be frank, a near miss on Jamey Carroll is still a miss, and therefore the results thus far are not to promising on this front.

Meanwhile, in news of the sub-mediocre players that the club was able to obtain last season, Ty Wigginton imbibed on snake blood while in Taiwan. We can only hope that the medicinal effects of the treatment as described by teammate Logan Morrison described carry back with Wiggy to the states:

"I'm definitely going to hit home runs on this trip now," he said. "I'm going to have powers like Spider-Man, but more snake-like powers."

Morrison has to be one of the most entertaining players in the MLB right now, and with a fairly large assortment of clubhouse comedians to choose from today, that's saying something.

The Salt River Rafters clinched their AFL East division with a win yesterday, they have another four regular season games to play starting tomorrow, but then get one more for the championship against a very dominant Surprise Saguaros team next Saturday.

Larry Walker shares this date in history with Ben Franklin coining the phrase "there's nothing certain but death and taxes," and Mary Phelps patenting the first brasierre, but it's the 14th anniversary of him winning the Rockies first, and thus far only, MVP award.

The Rockies, to the best of my knowledge, have yet to sign a European amateur to a professional contract, but I know that they've scouted there, and have apparently invited Parma RHP Lorenzo Gradali to their Dominican academy for what's described in Italian press as a "two week internship." Gradali does have a couple of pictures on Flickr, so you could put a face and arm to the name.

Rey Ordonez Jr. says that his favorite player in the MLB is Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki. The son of the former Mets Gold Glove winner is developing into a fine player in his own right, and figures to be drafted fairly high in 2012. I guess I bring this up because I wouldn't mind if the Rockies added him to their mix. Sure we have a lot of SS's already, but it never hurts to dig up more.

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LoMo is the Man!

He got screwed-over by the Fish this past Season by that idiotic demotion, while HRam whines and only gets slapped on the wrist! Wouldn’t LoMo look nice in Purple Pinstripes out in LF/RF?

by nt_eagle on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 AM MST reply actions

He would look even better at 1B

in a few years after Todd retires.

But yes, I’d definitely be interested in LoMo if the Marlins are selling low on him.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

welp.

Looks like we are gonna sign Paul Malholm as that impact starter.

by roxintober on Nov 13, 2011 7:57 AM MST reply actions

Maholm.

by roxintober on Nov 13, 2011 7:58 AM MST up reply actions

He's not bad...

But he’s not that good either. Surprised Nicasio is coming back this quick. One must remember that he’s only got 13 Starts above AA, all with the Rox. Not to mention, he made only 9 Starts with the Drillers last Season. Still very green, imo.

by nt_eagle on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions

green, sure

but it’s tough to ignore what he did at the MLB level. He needs to learn in the big leagues at this point, the minors won’t help him too much

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions

He may have the most live fastball in the majors..

His combination of speed and movement may be unmatched. The injury stunted the development on his secondary pitches. If he can get one of those down, he’ll be untouchable.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

a recently former Rockies

pitcher would like to argue about live fastballs

/I just got a card of this pitcher in a new uniform: WEIRD

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by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions

except to allow him to develop confidence in developing secondary offerings

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

He made progress just in the short time he was in the majors

I still don’t know how much work in the minors he really needs at this point

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions

That's one benefit of his injury..

His arm is rested and he’s beginning an offseason program before most pitchers. So he has more time to work on secondary development before Spring Training. Rockies will just need to he careful he doesn’t get overworked.

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by Charlie77 on Nov 13, 2011 11:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

We could do worse, frankly.

In fact, we’ve done worse.

by Rox Girl on Nov 13, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions

I, for on

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

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by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

I, for one,

fondly remember the days of Valerio De Los Santos.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

Sun Woo Kim anybody?

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions

hey, hey

he once threw a CGSO.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 13, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions

He's been around a 2 WAR Pitcher the last 3 seasons

with a FIP in or near the 3’s… I wouldn’t mind having him at all.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions

Good numbers to bring up

I really don’t understand the disdain for Maholm.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 13, 2011 12:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Fear of his Coors Field performances, I am guessing.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions

yeah, that's pretty much it, although he has declined in recent years

He won’t be a savior, but goodness knows he would be an improvement.

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 1:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

That's exactly it.

He’s going to get DESTROYED at Coors.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 1:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Similar to Jeff Francis getting destroyed?

Very similar pitchers with Maholm having better GB/FB, HR/9, H/9 and XBH%. Francis has better K and BB/9.

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions

I like the idea of bringing him in.

There are better guys out there for sure but I wouldn’t mind Maholm as our 5th starter at all.

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by Since1993 on Nov 13, 2011 10:32 PM MST up reply actions

Are you basing this on anything concrete?

Has there been news that we’re close to signing him?

Not trying to call you out; I just hadn’t seen anything about it and was curious.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:13 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

I was too

I have checked twitter, and MLBTR, and nothing…

are you O’Dowd?

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions

Link?

I hope not.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 1:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Wait. The Braves want Smith AND Blackmon or Wheeler?

Did anyone else read Renck that way? If so, no deal. Not unless something else (like a relief pitcher?) is coming back.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 8:22 AM MST reply actions

Yeah, that's what I got from it.

No deal as well, unless they throw in some mega $$. And, I don’t see that happening.

by nt_eagle on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions

It's funny, but Braves fans think that even that's not enough.

Unless it’s Arenado or Fowler, they don’t think it’s worth it.

by Rox Girl on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions

Wow, 650 OPS guys nearing 30 must be experiencing a bubble ...

Jose Lopez had a couple good years, too (even All-Star, IIRC).

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions

They've jumped to #1 on my list of fanbases that overrate their own players

for a team with such a great farm system, they really have no concept of player/prospect worth

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions

For Sure

I know one thing, is that when/if the Braves do trade Prado, they aren’t going to be very happy with whatever they get back.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions

no matter the return

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions

And lets be honest

We all like the idea of Prado here, I think he’s a great fit for 2b, but he’s also coming off the worst season of his career, in which he OPS at .687, and had a .297 wOBA.

Lets not pretend that this is a situation where the braves are selling high, because they aren’t.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions

...which would have been an improvement at 2B last year :(

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions

not just last year....

2b has been a black hole of suck since EY1 Left…

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions

But...Kaz Matsui!

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 11:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

Carroll's 2006 season is actually the best in franchise history

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 1:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

He should have won a GG for 2B that year

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

I wonder who #2 is.

Phillies fans come to mind pretty quickly.

Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, etc.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 11:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

They do...

Just ask Edward Wade, who got raked by them in the Bourn deal. AND gave the Braves a cool $1M to get the deal done.

by nt_eagle on Nov 13, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions

I very much enjoyed the Tulo/CarGo/Ubaldo vs Escobar/Heyward/Hanson showdown

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 2:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

We need Prado more than we need a 4th OF

But the price is high to include Blackmon or Wheeler. Not saying Blackmon or Wheeler won’t become more than a 4th OF but this season, that’s what they would be. I consider Prado’s season to be more of an aberration and expect him to be closer to his career numbers next year. If we pull the trigger by including Blackmon, I wouldn’t be upset.

by Cargo'es Yard on Nov 13, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions

Do we really?

Prado’s a good player, but is he really that much of an upgrade from Mark Ellis or O-Dawg? Hitting-wise, maybe (if he goes back to 2009-10 mode). Defensively, definitely not. I’m in favor of this trade, but giving up Smith and Wheeler is a ton, and Smith and Blackmon is a massive overpay. That version basically requires us to sign a starting outfielder, and there’s only two out there (Cuddyer and Willingham) we can afford and I like. If that’s what the Braves want, we either say thanks for playing, or demand a good young relief arm, which they always seem to have coming out of their ears.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 5:41 PM MST up reply actions

Blackmon > Wheeler?

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 8:41 PM MST up reply actions

Could go either way at this point.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions

Wheeler looks better (as a prospect) right now.

But yea, this is true.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions

Can't say for sure because I've never seen Wheeler play

But I always discount minor leaguers extensively, and Blackmon has played and looked very much at home at the big league level. I’m very high on him. In the long run, I suspect he may be a better hitter even than Fowler. There are certain things about how he approaches hitting, and how he swings, that are very attractive. I don’t think he will have a lot of easily exploitable flaws (see Stewart, Ian).

I’m very high on our young hitters general. Both Blackmon and Pacheco are real talents, and I frankly think both should be starting next year unless we can find a real ML talent at 3B (such as Prado).

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions

He was bad at the big league level.

Though I agree with other bits of pieces of your comment.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions

I'd maybe do that deal for Prado AND Jurrjens.

I can’t believe that the Braves would ask for that much for just Prado.

Renck might be exaggerating; all the article says is that the Braves also want a center fielder.

You know who can play* center field? Ryan Spilborghs! And also Eric Young Jr.

*"Play," in this sense, meaning "Has physically been a center fielder at one point.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

I'm not even sure what the Braves would want with two ML read outfielders, anyway

On second read, I think Renck just typed it too fast and meant to say they like Smith, but would PREFER a CF like Blackmon or Wheeler. EY isn’t a bad idea as a throw-in, either. They’ve got a lot of slow guys he could pinch-run for, and can definitely (cough, cough) play CF!

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions

It's really not that much.

A Smith & Blackmon/Wheeler definitely wouldn’t get the job done for Prado/Jurrjens

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

And it loses us

two outfielders for a 2B and a Pitcher. Our OF depth isn’t all that great to begin with

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions

...?

Smith/CarGo/Dex/Wheeler/Blackmon are all MLB-ready. At least one of Smith/Blackmon/Wheeler need to go this offseason (Wheeler being my preference)

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions

True

but 5 MLB-ready isn’t depth, although it is debatable as to whether Wheeler is MLB ready (I think he’s close but I don’t know unless I watch him, and his last couple months haven’t helped his case). Two of them are depth with the others starting. If we traded BOTH Smith and Wheeler/Blackmon that kills that two person “depth” we have.

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions

. . .

Regardless, what are the team’s biggest weaknesses as we stand?

Pitcher and second base.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions

Agree

but I don’t want to create a weakness (OF) by clearing up the other ones. I don’t consider Spilborghs useful much anymore.

I also don’t think the Rockies would be silly enough to trade two MLB outfielders but I could see them trading one (Wheeler hopefully) and a couple prospects (and/or Wigginton maybe/hopefully?).

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions

Agreed with the last paragraph.

And if we traded two OF, we’d sign one (Willingham anyone?) anyway. So it doesn’t take away as much as you think.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions

OF is not a weakness, nor will it become one, j.

We should have two spots locked up for quite a few years. If we need to find OF next offseason because we filled the 2B hole, it’s a victory.

by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 13, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions

considering the Rockies ranked 21st in the ML last season in OF fWAR

It’s not exactly a strength either.

Of course they were 29th at 2b and 30th at 3b… sigh

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by dsmba on Nov 14, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions

This is brought down by Spilly/Wigginton/EY

We’re not that bad if those guys aren’t in the OF on a regular basis.

by webgem14 on Nov 14, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions

Pretty sad other than Cargo and half a season of Fowler

Carlos Gonzalez 4.1
Dexter Fowler 2.9
Seth Smith 1.9
Cole Garner 0.0
Eric Young -0.1
Charlie Blackmon -0.7
Ryan Spilborghs -1.1

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by dsmba on Nov 14, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions

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by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 9:22 AM MST reply actions

When I read Wiggy wants to be a Snakeman

I got all excited, because I thought he had become or wanted to become an Arizona Diamondback…….

oh well….

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by SDcat09 on Nov 13, 2011 9:23 AM MST reply actions

I had exactly the same response.

Got really excited at the possibility, too. Nothing like trading a cursed player to a division rival (unless he leaves the curse behind with the Rockies).

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by glaucophane on Nov 13, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions

We have a history of getting killed by former Rockies

I don’t think I could handle Ty Wigginton driving in runs against us all year.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:10 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

I agree with this

if Wiggy gets traded I want him to go to the AL.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions

Or to Taiwan.

They think he’s an All-Star! We could rob them blind!

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 10:15 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

Or we can trade him to Japan for Yu Darvish

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions

This please

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by SDcat09 on Nov 13, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions

"We traded him to the Giants for an outfielder......"

“Belt?”

“Not those Giants………”

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Well, not to defend Wiggy too much, but ...

He’s not that bad. As an occasional fill-in at 1B or 3B, and a right-handed pinch-hitter, he’s a solid piece of a good ML roster. Overpaid, but solid. I think if Stewart hadn’t imploded, we’d think very differently about ol’ Wiggy.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions

It was really a joke about you know, Snakeman = Dback......

He’s not been the worst Rockie ever, nor has he been the best.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 13, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions

Yes

Neifi was much much worse.

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions

Worst Rockie of all time?

Denny Neagle comes to mind.

Though not entirely for on-the-field performance.

by Shoemaker on Nov 13, 2011 11:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions

Mac Susuki, Jacob Cruz, Kimera Bartee

All Rockies for a time, all way worse contributions than Neagle. Susuki didn’t even record an out in his outing (I was there) and got released before he got back to the clubhouse.

by Prospector on Nov 13, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions

Mike Harkey, Brian Rekar

by evers44 on Nov 13, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions

Heh.

This inspired me to check Fangraphs to see which Rockies players had the lowest WAR in their careers here.

Position Players:
5. Denny Hocking
4. Brent Butler
3. Kirt Manwaring
2. Luis Gonzalez
1. Jason Bates

Pitchers:
5. Marcus Moore
4. Mark Corey
3. Kent Mercker
2. Greg Reynolds
1. Alex White

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions

Who could've forgotten Denny Hocking

and Names like Marcus Moore and Mark Corey

It's Jim Tracy's Fault.

by wolf213 on Nov 13, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions

I have absolutely no memory of Mark Corey...

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions

He managed to get this low on the list while pitching only 12 innings for the Rockies.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions

During that small sample size, he had a 5.25 HR/9.

Eek.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions

7 HR in 12 innings?

Get that man a humidor!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions

Interestingly, only 3 of those home runs came at Coors.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 13, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions

He's the only one I don't remember either

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions

I remember Corey

We either traded him to or from the Mets. Definitely don’t remember Moore

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 1:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

I think the reason

I remember Moore is because I’ve got his baseball cards.

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions

I do remember Moore

he was one of those guys who was supposed to have great stuff and just needed to put it all together, IIRC. For some reason, I’m putting him in a category with a guy like Carvajal…

He was on the 1993 team, and back in 94 and 96. Apparently he actually made his ML debut on my 30th birthday. (No, I didn’t remember that part…)

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions

I can see the Carvajal connections

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions

so I wasn't yet 10 years old.

I didn’t start noting obscure players until I hit double digits in age

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 2:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

I love how 2 of those pitchers are a first-round pick and one of the ubaldo prizes

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.

by papality on Nov 13, 2011 1:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Oh jeez, Manwaring!

I used that guy for years as an counterargument to the old “well, anybody can hit at Coors” bulls***.

by Since1993 on Nov 13, 2011 9:54 PM MST up reply actions

I did too

I thought maybe he was envious of Melvin Mora’s career path or something…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions

So the fact that we missed out on a 37 year old utlilty guy whom we already let walk...

…has been spun as a sign that this team is now serious about building a winner?

Marlins: courting Josey Reyes and Albert Pujols
Rockies: got beat out in the Jamey Carroll “hunt”

Yeah, that’s pretty much a draw. My bad.

by evers44 on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 AM MST reply actions 3 recs

This.

by CarloWitzki on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions

Yes, obviously that’s the only reasonable conclusion to draw.

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.

by papality on Nov 13, 2011 1:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

The Marlins are going way out of the norm.

Name me another team that is doing that. There is nobody.

Don’t take to that extreme. The Rockies have been relatively active this offseason, and we still have months of offseason left.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions

Active in what way?

by evers44 on Nov 13, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions

Reaching out to players they want.

Monitoring the trade market.

It’s still very early. As we head into December, we’ll hear more names as potential trade/FA targets

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 8:42 PM MST up reply actions

From the Wigginton article:

When asked to comment on the adventure, the team’s tour manager, Bruce Bochy (Milwaukee Giants, manager), praised the guys for their courage.
"I think it’s great," Bochy said. "You get pumped up for the game, and they’re looking for blood here. There are some warriors on this club to be trying this stuff. It’s good to see."

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 1:43 PM MST reply actions

Does that mean that

I need to start hating the San Francisco Brewers now?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions

This seems sad...

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by SDcat09 on Nov 13, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions

It is still early but there are rumors going around that Jose Reyes is

a Miami Marlin, Is this true?

by tulo92 on Nov 13, 2011 2:13 PM MST reply actions

its less official than the Madson to

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 2:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

its less official than the Madson/Philly deal last week

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 2:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Here is what this tweet says:

DINOCOSTA DINOCOSTA
According to various sources, JOSE REYES is a Miami Marlin

by tulo92 on Nov 13, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions

that's still less official than the Madson news last week

Tho at the point where it unraveling would be an upset

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

several sources now saying he has not signed

Welcome to the hot stove

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 3:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Less official than Jamey Carroll being a Minnesota Twin

otherwise I don’t know

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions

Sizemore

why all the infatuation with Sizemore? and its not just here, its all over, yet the guy can’t stay healthy. He hasn’t had more than 500 at bats since 2009 and hasn’t hit higher than .250 since 2008.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 13, 2011 3:34 PM MST reply actions

People still remember when he was great

He hasn’t been for years, but there’s still that little voice saying that he could be again. Personally, i doubt it, but hope is a seductive drug…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions

hard to argue with $2mil for his upside

The risk is worth the price. Just don’t know who has more hope

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 3:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Yeah, I'd take a flyer at that price...

But I would also make sure you were covered if he didn’t work out…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 13, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions

$2 mil?

Gotta be more than that, for sure.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Nov 13, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions

I don't know

how much more than a $2M base he will get. He has incentives written all over him though.

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions

he might

It only takes one team. But a lot would be interested at that base pay

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

matheny named la Russa's successor

by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2011 4:09 PM MST via mobile reply actions

wow.Big upset.

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by Muzia on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions

Good choice

He knows a lot about the game and how to run things from the dugout. He also adds another catcher to the list of MLB managers. Matheny has been working with the club for the last couple years and he knows the system pretty well so that probably helped him a little bit rather than a person like Francona. We shall see how it goes without TLR at the helm.

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions

Whom would you like Albert?

by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 13, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions

According to

this he likes it

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions

who?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 13, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions

Mike Matheny

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions

Reneck Says we asked about Headley again and was told no...

He doesn’t say what was offered or if we even got to make an offer. He doesn’t say if they made any counter offers either. So was that a proforma ask to appease a fan like me or did we persue the discussion seriously? I understand a No means a No.. I want why?

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 13, 2011 4:53 PM MST reply actions

Probably a serious question

The Rockies are genuinely looking for a 3B option and asked if they could somehow get Headley away from SD and discovered the Padres want to keep him and probably won’t trade him at all (although things can change, just like the weather [when did it get windy again?])

by jrockies on Nov 13, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions

Headley's just about the last good offensive player they have

And he’s reasonably affordable. I think we’d have to pry him out of there with a crowbar, unless we’re giving a good hitter back.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions

They have a pipeline with six potentially viable infield cornermen that are stacked up behind him. All will be cheaper and cost controlled longer.

I like Headley a lot obviously. That said I don’t see him as a “cornerstone” franchise player. I see him as a very good complimentry part that could make a difference to this franchise now instead of treading water for that franchise there.

He may be the last good offensive player they have; yes? He’s keeping them from realising the other value they might have. He’s not really the “face of the franchise” type. Why pay Headly 3.5- 4m $ when they could pay Darnell and Rizzo ,to name two, MLB minimum plus signing bounuses? They are looking at a $45m payroll for god’s sake.

by Oldfoagie on Nov 13, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions

Since no one posted a link to Maholm,

I’m guessing that that was just speculation?

by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 13, 2011 5:01 PM MST reply actions

I doubt anyone will sign Maholm until late

He’s got “consolation prize” written all over him, and won’t go until Wilson, Buerhle, Jackson and the trade candidates are all spoken for. It’s certainly Rockies style to end up with the consolation prize, though …

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions

God's Consolation Prize?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP3x-VdOb44

[pertinent part @ 1:05]

by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 13, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions

I get the feeling CJ Wilson and Buerhle are the keys to this off season

Once those two get signed, the fun really starts, because there’s an unusual number of possibly SP trade candidates out there and a lot of teams looking for help. Depending on where Wilson and Buerhle go, there will be a flurry of activity. Pujols and Fielder are going to sign late, and likely no one will bid on Albert except the Cards and Marlins, so they’re less important.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 13, 2011 5:27 PM MST reply actions