Monday Rockpile: 2B Market Thins, Rockies Still Looking
by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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Sunday Night, it was announced that Aaron Hill re-upped with the Arizona Diamondbacks to the tune of a 2-year, $11M contract. This continues to shave down the list of players who I wouldn't be completely ashamed to play 2B for the Rockies on a consistent basis by yet another able body. Did an All-Star caliber 2B just drop off of the market? Well, technically yes. But while Hill was not necessarily the best or worst candidate available, clearly Arizona saw the need to retain a consistent every-day type 2B, and then went ahead and signed Hill anyhow.
Really though, this is the 2B market of 2011: with the possible exception of Kelly Johnson, this 2B market is really just full of guys whose profile is kind of "Well, we'd love to start you, but you're really more of a utility guy; what's this? You've never played another position but 2B? Ok, you're a 2B.. But don't make me regret this!!!"
There's something about 2B that makes GMs want to reward glovemen who never really learned another position and also never stepped up to the plate and played to the level to make themselves indisposable to their team. I guess I'm throwing Mark Ellis, Kelly Johnson, and Hill into this category.
Here's my thought: Go back out there and call Mark Ellis back. Is he the best option on the FA market? No, not really. You could still make the case that Kelly Johnson still holds that honor. You know, maybe. The fact remains that the Rockies don't HAVE a 2B right now, and the typical "Utility guy that we can cast as a 2B because we really don't have that option left" guys.... well, outside of Jamey Carroll, they're all kind of awful. Like, actually awful. That's why they're utility guys, I guess. Versatility or something.
Regarding Martin Prado, who's been all the jibba jabba these past few weeks, I really have nothing against acquiring him (Wouldn't it be funny if the Rockies somehow got both Prado AND Kelly Johnson?). This Prado chase is somewhat dangerous, though. Not because Prado might actually cost prospects/players, but because of the wait until we start to actually hear something and who might not be available once the waiting is through.
Ellis is far from a sure thing, but Prado might just not happen at all. Think of it like high school prom. Plain Jane doesn't have a date, and while you don't feel terribly strongly about her, the two of you have a decent enough time and you could have a fine prom together. But you're interested in Charlene Cheerleader, so you devote your efforts to pursuing her.
Actually, that analogy doesn't work, because targeting Martin Prado is like hoping that one really geeky girl turns super hot when she takes her glasses off and lets her hair down.
Here's the problem though: If we're really going to devote the effort to getting a 2B in trade and just let Ellis go, we'd better be aiming for Howie Kendrick or Brandon Phillips or someone of similar ilk, because if we shoot and miss, Plain Jane feels snubbed and may not be willing to be our second choice if other suitors come a-calling, and we're going to end up asking that one girl who's always a little TOO into horses. Something tells me that Freddie Prinze Jr. isn't going to suddenly turn Johnny Herrera into Dustin Pedroia. Frankly, that's a big risk to be snubbing the surefire Mark Ellis phenomenon. Or something.
Frankly, positive production at the position will make me turn cartwheels. Seriously, I hate trying to man that stupid position.
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Not getting any better...
With Hill’s inking last night with the DBacks. Down to Prado or Johnson. Or, dare I say it, status-quo with Ellis. Kendrick would be awesome, but I don’t think DiPoto is going to just give him away. And, I seriously doubt he’s available. Segura is still a couple of years away, imo.
I doubt it as well
I just wanted to use him as the example of a good 2B who isn’t Pedroia/Robbie Cano level (and thereby unattainable)
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
Three to four years ago.... I would have jumped at Orlando Hudson.
Now I look at him as Grady Siezmore risk in a older less productive infield form. Pass
Ellis may be the best out there for the moment. Who has a ready to try 2b stacked up behind some body. That’s where I’d be looking next. Oh’ wait; DOD is our GM. So that can’t happen either.
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It can always be worse...
See who Ed Wade inked yesterday…and in the past week.
Joe Thurston
Brad Snyder
Travis Buck
Nick Stavinoha
Brian Bixler
Craig Tatum
All the makings of a AAA Ballclub right there…
At least he has a triple A ballclub. Here it's a place where careers go to die.
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yes the astros are bad
The sky is still blue, the Yankees still spend money, and we are still on a rockies site
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 8:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this
Kind of tired of hearing about Enigmatic Ed
by I_Am_Marshall on Nov 14, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
Where does it come to the point where
we could rather play Chris Nelson instead of a FA signee and spend the money elsewhere?
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The point where we've acquired David Wright/Kevin Youkilis/Aramis Ramirez/1964 Brooks Robinson
We need a major stud at 3B or at 2B, and we can bargain shop for the other position.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
I wish that would happen
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
It's sad how we've gone from "¡Free Chris Nelson!"
To hoping for a Brooks Robinson reincarnated. Maybe Jim Tracy knew what he was doing after all.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 1:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Since the Braves kind of seem like they want to deal Prado and Jurrjens – does it make sense to go after both of them? – And would we end up paying less for both of them combined and if we were to theoretically trade for them individually?
I only say this because it may not be a bad move to acquire both of them and get a good deal and then see if we can trade Jurrjens. I don’t think Jurrjens will be such a good fit at Coors and he has an injury history. I wonder if it would be possible for us to then flip Jurrjens and whoever for another pitcher…
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I think Jurrjens is going to cost too much
I think for the same asking price we could possibly get Gio Gonzalez, which in my opinon, would be a way better deal. Either way, don’t think we are gonna get either
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 7:58 AM MST up reply actions
I hear that
I kind of feel like based off of our combination of current prospects it seems like we may have to overpay somewhat for Prado – but a Prado and Jurrjens deal I think we can make a more even trade. Not sure who would want Jurrjens but I’m willing to start with Smith and Wheeler. The worst case scenario of having to hang on to Jurrjens this year wouldn’t be the worst but I wonder if we’d be able to flip him (since he has 2 years of arb. left) and some others for someone like Danks – who I consider a much better pitcher…
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I see your point
It would seem logical that you “could” get a better deal if you do them both at the same time.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:22 AM MST up reply actions
Like that idea...
Because Starting Pitching will always be in demand. Jurrjens is still somewhat youg, but it also injury-prone. All depends on how much the Braves want. And they’re in no real hurry as they can keep their young Pitchers at AAA for another year, if need be.
My thoughts too...
Except we flip Prado and Jurjens for Kendricks
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also:
When asked what the club’s greatest surplus was, Anthopoulos replied “prospects,” which Elliot speculates could hint that the Jays may try to acquire a closer via trade.
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Fine; give him Street and Betancourt...
Let’s plunder his farm.
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Street and Lindstrom
I like Raffy lets keep him
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Lindstrom is dirt cheap and effective
why would we trade him?
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because Renk has already mentioned he was available
and that combination makes him valuable to them too
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A Mart
delivering Da truth 4 reel about HS prom/homecoming date scene but….
where does the college version of this game come into effect? you eventually move on the horse girl (who actually you went to school with since elementary) at sometime between 1-2 oclock, go home have a really good time and then take her out to breakfast,endure the ridicule of your friends but find out that she’s really a cool person, end up marrying her and live happily ever after, just with horses in addition to children…and that is the scenario I hope happens with EY2!!
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What's wrong with dating girls who are into horses, anyway?
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Maybe he doesn't like to "horse" around.
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There is a scene from a movie that comes to mind,
But I can’t remember what movie that was.
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I think we have to ask A Mart
I am on record as saying horses or not, after midnight its all fair game
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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 14, 2011 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
"TOO" is the operative word
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Correct
I think we are talking about the girl who wears nothing but cowgirl cloths, along with the massive 40 pound belt buckle, and is never available because she is feeding, riding, breaking,sleeping with, her horses.
Not that there is anything wrong with being like that, but it’s just not your thing.
The 2B market seems overpriced, limiting what the Rox can do
Hill: 2 years, $11 mil
Carroll: 2 years, $10 mil (I know the Twins signed him as a SS, but we’d have used him
at 2B because we have a SS.)
So I’d estimate Ellis can get 2 years & $7-8 mil.
I don’t think he’s worth it, with his weak offense.
Is Prado worth Smith & Blackmon or Wheeler? I don’t think so, but it seems that’s what it’ll take to get him.
I’d rather let Thomas Field or Nelson play 2B for major league minimum & spend the difference on pitching or 3B. We’ll get the same defense or better from Field (not so sure about Nelson) as from Ellis or Prado, and I think his offense (OBP) will be only a small drop-off from Prado, and maybe none from Ellis. That incremental difference isn’t worth 2 yrs, $8 mil for Ellis or two good prospects for Prado.
Prado had one bad season last year
that was at least partially due to injury. His wRC+ in 2009 and 2010 were 117 and 118.
I’m getting tired of people underselling his offense. He’s good.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
Agree
Prado is one year removed from a very good 3-season run. His defense at 2B is nothing great, but he’s a big upgrade offensively.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 14, 2011 8:34 AM MST up reply actions
Thomas Field is very unlikely to even be a replacement player at 2B next season
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Precisely this
Either we get a “REAL” 2B or we go through another Nelson/EY/Herrera merry-go-terrible
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
yeah but merry go terrible was funnier to me
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
Did you consider merry-terrible-round? ;)
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
merry-terrible-go-round?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Riding the tea-cups with 3 people who suffer from motion sickness.
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I didn’t mind the tea cups
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
I wasn't hurled on
I still maintain that Johnny Herrera is on this team because CarGo said he has to be because they are buddies
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
I hear he gives good at-bat
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C'mon now - someone has a roster spot on the Rockies
because they’re someone’s buddy?
Unheard of.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 14, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
Not when that someone's buddy is CarGO
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
I was actually agreeing with you
Just pointing out that Herrera is hardly alone.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 14, 2011 9:11 AM MST up reply actions
I'd like Herrera a little more if he could put on 10 lbs of muscle
He does have the ability to get balls in play. Less of those balls would be outs if he could just hit them a little harder more consistently.
Or I’m way off the mark and deserve ridicule.
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I sometimes wonder if its lack of athletic ability
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
He has the reflexes, he just doesn’t get the bat speed he needs to be consistently good.
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hes scrappy, but doesn’t posess strength or speed or an exceptional arm or exceptional glove. Hes a AAA player at best
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
oh okay
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Jason Giambi has no idea what you mean...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Is what
they call Jim Tracy’s linup card.
by Purple Row Troll on Nov 14, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
No that's the Lineup Sorting Hat.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
I was making a joke..
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
that's what she said
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
what who said?
The cheerleader or the plain Jane?
/hard to navigate
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
The question is
how much better than a replacement player (if any) will Ellis be next season?
He strikes me as the prototypical replacement player.
So should we pay him $4 mil w/ a 2-year commitment, or spend $440,000
on someone who’s almost as good, but not quite (maybe, I’m not sure that
Field wouldn’t do as well as Ellis offensively) & spend the difference on
pitching or a real impact bat at 3B or OF? I’d rather go with a young unknown
who’s cheap than a known vet who just takes up space at too high a cost.
if we’re really counting pennies for a starter that costs under $4mil per year, we’re in worse shape than I thought.
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Weren't you against the 2mil extra per season for Kelly Johnson over Prado?
2-10 versus 2-14
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Both of those starters will cost over $4mil per year, and Prado may even be the better player going forward.
If we are willing to put out Thomas Field as a full time starter instead of signing an above-replacement 2B for $4mil or less, that makes me sad.
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It's not the $4 mil that bothers me
even for 2 seasons/$8 mil total.
It’s what we get for our $4 mil — a replacement-level player.
And what we’d also probably get is a lot of spin from the team about how they’re “being aggressive” this offseason, as in the “we just missed Jamie Carroll” spin. I.e., signing a status quo player like Ellis could be used as an excuse not to do something else that might make a real difference.
Mark Ellis was a 0.6rWAR (1.4fWAR) player in 70 games with Colorado. He is worth $4mil for next year.
Considering how bad our other options are at 2B, Ellis will likely be 2 WAR minimum above anything else we throw out there (non Prado).
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He got off to a very hot start w/ the Rox
and then tailed off to nothing thereafter, offensively.
He’s getting old & will be in decline soon, if he’s not already. I doubt he’ll be 2 WAR minimum during the next 2 seasons.
2 WAR minimum above anything else we throw out there
Considering how much “below replacement” second base was for us last year, he just has to be aboce replacement to be a quality asset and worth the money.
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as for Field
substitute Nelson or Herrera if you’d like. They’re all likely to be about the same. I’ve just seen enough of Nelson & Herrera & would like to try something different just in case it might work.
I agree
spend the difference elsewhere to make an impact. Im sick of making small deals hoping to make an impact. Make on deal that is a lot more likely to make an impact instead
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
I think 2B needs to be a priority
because we need to upgrade the #2 spot in the lineup! He gets more AB’s than the catcher (#8) and 3B (#6-7)
by I_Am_Marshall on Nov 14, 2011 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
haha 2nd base doesn’t have to hit 2nd!
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:33 AM MST up reply actions
You're new here.
There’s an ongoing joke about the fact that Jim Tracy bats the 2B second, regardless of who is playing 2B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah it was a rule
developed somewhere in the early 1900’s. That because 2nd base has the #2 in it, you have to bad your 2nd baseman 2nd.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
I was commenting on Marshall's post.
2B is a priority, but I feel 3B or another SP is more important.
you missed the joke again
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 8:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thats the magic question. But is spending $4-6 million per year on Ellis going to give us that much value versus spending $440 thousand on Nelson or somebody?
Say we can spend $5 million on Ellis and $5 million on a SP. The each provide WAR of 2. But what if we had spent $10 million on a SP and our 2nd baseman provides .4 war and the $10 million starter provides 5 WAR. Just saying that I’m sick of stop gap options that are mediocre. This team needs more than just blah options. It needs 1 more LEGIT hitter (Todd Helton no longer counts), and a decent starter if we want to compete.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
If we can get a 5 WAR pitcher for $10 mil
then sign him up!
haha yeah hypothetical #’s
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
john Danks
could be a 4 WAR for 8mil!
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The point is that spending a lot of money on anyone
might be fruitless if we still have holes in several places in the lineup. We need to fill the holes.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
Then lets continue with the Clint Barmes’, Melvin Moras, Ty Wiggingtons, Jose Lopez’s and continue to fall short.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
That comment has nothing to do with anything that I posted.
You’re suggesting playing Nelson at 2B in order to spend money on “something else.” I’m suggesting that we should be spending money on 2B and 3B because that’s where the holes are.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
But there's less upside in the market at 2B than 3B
Ellis just isn’t going to add much more, if any, than the aforementioned Barmes, Lopez, Mora, Wigginton, et. all added. (And I would note that there wasn’t a great hue & cry to spend $ to keep Carroll here, either, when he left.)
I’d rather gamble $8 mil on Scott Rolen or another 3B with upside potential on offense than waste $4 mil on a mediocre, all-field, no-hit 2B.
Prado would add some offense at 2B. If we could just pay him $4-5 mil., I’d be all for it. But that’s not his cost: his cost is Smith + Blackmon or Wheeler. I think that’s too high.
If the Reds would take Smith + Blackmon/Wheeler for Brandon Phillips, I’d be all in favor of that, too, but I don’t think they will.
The point is: would spending some $ bring in more offensive upgrade at 3B or 2B? I think it’s 3B. So go minimum salary at 2B & spend the $ at 3B.
Smith, Blackmon, and Wheeler can't all play LF at the same time.
What are you going to do with them?
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
his cost is Smith + Blackmon or Wheeler
We still don’t know that. I can’t see the Braves getting to MLB players for a 2B they have announced they are giving away.
These MLB trades always have less value in return than we imagine as fans. I can’t see us paying more for Prado than the Braves paid for Bourn. I just can’t, no matter what the folks at Talking Chop believe.
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Wow...
I think you’re off on this one, for a few reasons.
First, the Braves aren’t giving anyone away. If you’re getting Prado, you’re paying top dollar for him. Wren has said repeatedly that he will trade Prado if it makes the team better. They aren’t cutting ties with him, but he’s available because teams will pay more for him based upon their needs.
Second, the Bourn trade was built upon the deplorable condition of the Astros’ farm system. They desperately needed the depth that the Braves could provide. Atlanta had the upper hand from day one of negotiations because of the wealth their system afforded them. There is no parallel here with the Braves system, because they can always, always, always trade pitching to fill any need they might have.
Third, you’re getting four more months of Prado. How valuable is that?? If healthy and returned to original form, probably a couple WAR. And that matches up…the best-case scenario with Bourn at the time of the trade was what, 5-7 WAR?? With Prado, it’s probably a little higher, 6-9 WAR, mostly due to the time the trade occurs.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 14, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
They aren't getting two MLB players for Prado. They just aren't. He's not at that level.
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Wheeler’s not a MLB player yet, and Blackmon has 102 PA in the big leagues. Smith is a platoon guy and Blackmon has yet to prove he’s anything more than a 4th or 5th OF.
Let’s stop treating it as if the Rockies would be trading two everyday starters for Prado, because that isn’t the case.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
MLB players get traded for consistently less value than fans like to think
Willingham for a relief pitcher.
Bourn for spare parts.
Uggla for a utility infielder and a reliever.
My point is that we can talk about these blockbuster trades for multiple players/prospects, but they really don’t happen outside the elite names. Prado is not an elite name, and he won’t get that type of return, either.
Trading two of the Rockies’ projected five Opening Day outfielders is quite a bit in the MLB world, and I don’t see it happening. One of them and a mid level prospect or relief arm? Absolutely.
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Willingham had a staying healthy problem and one year left on his contract, and his team wasn’t contending. Uggla had a I hate my front office and shortstop problem and one year left, and his team wasn’t contending. The Astros had a we have no depth in our farm system and need depth problem, and traded away a guy with one year and two months left. The Astros won’t be contending for years.
Prado’s got a couple years left and the Braves have no problem in keeping him, and the team is contending.
The situations aren’t exactly apples to apples. The Braves clearly have leverage in their situation, which was not even remotely the case in any of the three you attempted to compare it to.
-C
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 14, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
And this...
Is why going back and adding stuff is dangerous. I’ll leave it off to balance it out…
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Prado
has had injury problems also every season and is coming off of the worst season of his career. There’s definitely some depressed value there to attempt to leverage if you’re the Rockies. Smith can provide similar offensive value (albeit in a different way) to Prado in the OF. He also will cost considerably less -which the Braves seem to value this offseason a la the Lowe deal.
I personally think Smith and Chris Nelson (to offset the lack of inf depth) is a decent starting point for trade talks – though I agree with you that it’s not enough.
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I am confused
are we arguing Prado’s isn’t worth much because he had a bad year and is an injury risk
or
are we saying we want him cause he would solve the Rockies problems cause he is awesome
#hardtounderstandpurplerowsometimes
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Prado is valuable to the Rockies. He’s not “two top prospects” or “two MLB ready players” valuable to any team in the league.
The trades that have been thrown around for Prado here and on Talking Chop don’t happen in MLB for the type of player that Prado respresents.
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He's worth Smith + Blackmon OR Wheeler.
To us, he is.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
This is my contention...
I’m not tossing out names like Arenado because I’m not stupid.
The Rockies would be giving up a solid platoon player and a promising prospect for a guy that was an All-Star (not in name only, his production was worthy of the spot) just a year ago, that also happens to have great positional versatility.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I agree with your overall idea.
But your reasoning is flawed.
It is simple economics. We have an excess of OF. We desperately need a 2B, particularly one who can bat in the two-hole.
They know that at least one of these OFs is meaningless to us, so they can push for more. They also know we desperately need help at 2B. They have control of the situation here.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Underselling Smith is not the reason why the deal works.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
I’m saying I think he fits our team perfectly, but has some blemishes on his record to prevent him from getting the highest hypothetical return out there.
Smith (plus Diaz) can come out to an avg defender in the OF with strong walk and power rates. Wheeler is a CFer who just posted one of the better batting lines in AA. They have a CF now in Bourn but he’s set to enter free agency after the 2012 season.
Ideally, I’d like a Smith, Wheeler, and Nelson for Prado and a AA reliever trade package. I don’t think it’s too far-fetched and fits both teams needs pretty well.
One other thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that we’d have Prado for 2 more seasons while I think the Braves would have Smith for 3 (though I could be wrong about that).
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so the second one then
gotcha
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Then name a recent trade where a utility/fringe starter got multiple MLB players in return.
It doesn’t happen.
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That Platoon Player would have led ATL in OPS last year
and XBH, and would have smoked their OF in OPS+. For a Team that trade Yunel Escobar for a career sub 250 hitter and two players in high A you sure have a lot of confidence that Prado will get a 850 OPS OF and a couple B prospects. Especially after you guys got Uggla coming off his best season for a super U and a reliever prospect.
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First, Smith wouldn’t have led ATL in OPS last year if he was playing everyday. He’s a platoon player, and he’s great in that role. But let’s not pretend that his OPS is comparable in any fashion to any of the Braves, because they generally play regardless of who is on the mound.
Second, Yunel was a cancer to the team and organization. He had to go, which is why he was traded and the return was so poor.
Third, Uggla has no positional versatility, was in the final year of his contract, and was at odds with his organization, to the point of demanding a contract larger than that of their star player, whose biggest fanboy happened to be the team owner.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
You are touching on a sore subject when you say smith
is a platoon OF, the guy hit LHP fine in the minors, and hasn’t been allowed to face much in the Majors, Smith posted a .376 wOBA in a SSS in 2009 and awful numbers in 2010 and 2011 but again measuring a LHH’s true talent level by having him face 1-2 LOOGYs a week is a pretty tough way to figure out his abilities. Michael Bourn has a career .678 OPS against LH starters, Seth Smith has a .711 OPS in the same situation.
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If Smith hits LHP just fine, then it’s your organization’s fault for not putting him in there. One has to assume there’s a reason that he faces RHP 5 times as often.
At this point in his career, he’s had 240 PA against LHP. If he can hit LHP, that’s criminal.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
JIM TRACY!
there now you understand
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Welcome to baseball with Jim Tracy as your manager
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
oh sorry
our organization can be rather stupid. That’s why this trade can be good for your organization!
for real though, I remember Brad Hawpe getting the same lip service – that he was useless against lefties. I haven’t looked into the numbers but I seem to recall that later on, he was pretty decent against lefties. I’ve also always felt Smith should be given more of a chance against lefties and that by benching him, it’s essentially a Pygmalion effect but whatever.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This is fairly true, actually...
Hawpe had one season that was particularly good against lefties, and wasn’t horrible.
He couldn’t hit them for average, but he made the best of it by showing decent power and his ability to take a walk.
.329 career wOBA, 89 wRC+.
Of course, this doesn’t hold true at all for Smith thus far, as he’s at .262 wOBA and 47 wRC+. But, as mentioned by TomCat above, 2009 was a great year against LHP for him.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I know I personally remember hearing a lot about him being useless against lefties. But then I seemed to remember him getting a lot of pretty big hits against them later on. It could just be a memory bias or an issue of small sample sizes skewing my perceptions but whatever…
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
also dude, thanks for coming by here and participating in these discussions. I get that fans of both teams may overvalue their respective players, but regardless of that, I really enjoy mingling with fans of other teams and getting a better perspective on things. I wish I had more time to check out other blogs and do the same.
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I need to stop by more often...
But once the season starts, I get very Braves-oriented. Don’t seem to make it over nearly so much. I like stopping by everyday in the offseason, though, just took me awhile to get into it this year.
The Rockies are my second favorite team, but I just don’t have enough time, outside of watching the games.
Even on that, I’d say I only watch about 35-45% of the Rockies games, not as much as I’d like…probably watch 90% of the Braves games, thanks to mlb.tv. 6 hours a nite is a lot of baseball to watch, let alone talk about.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I don't know
and nobody does, I just want to explore all options, just as I’m sure DOD is doing. Seems round here we just wan to sign a 2nd Baseman because thats where the perceived hole is and just because.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
Petro
You’re really good at using “whom” in the correct context. Just thought you should know that I notice :-)
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
Given, the market, I bet Ellis looks for about 2/9mil.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
And look what he signed for.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
BURN
or something
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
It's not a burn....
I said “It was funny” because the dude nailed it. In years AND money.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
I have to disagree with RMN here.
Right now, we are slated to go into the season with three out of eight of our positions as offensive holes:
1) 3B
2) 2B
3) C
Missing on a chance to fill one of those holes, thus causing a big, gaping hole instead of a medium-sized hole isn’t going to hurt us that much. We can be competitive with one hole, and possibly two (the C hole isn’t that big). We cannot be competitive with three holes. Let’s try to make something happen here.
I'd argue that C isn't even a hole
CDI is above average and most other teams don’t get much out of their C position. It’s really just 3b and 2b with maybe some room to upgrade in the OF if possible…
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It is very arguable I think
I see the value of OBP but I can see where the batting average is just completely awful at the same time. I don’t think one is right or one is wrong, its hard to evaluate in my opinion. Typically catchers who hit .220 or less are backups, but then again typically catchers don’t walk that much.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
A quick list of team's whose starting catcher had the same or worse BA than ours
Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, Athletics, Cubs, Marlins, Blue Jays, Dodgers, and the Rays
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CDI's OBP is somewhat offset by a high K% and a high IFB%
For as good a statistical season as he had last year, his season WPA was only .18, which is worse than his 2009 when he last the job to Torrealba down the stretch. I have no idea what to make of CDI
by I_Am_Marshall on Nov 14, 2011 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
It's hard to have a high WPA
when you’re batting with the bases empty most of the time.
I think he uses too big of a bat
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
CDI got 426 PAs last year.
He’ll get less this year. His power numbers were way down per AB.
He usually splits time with dead weight. Now he is splitting time with a rookie, who might be great, but might be bad.
As mentioned, C isn’t a big hole, but it’s still not an entirely reliable bat.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
his power numbers were down
Though I’m hoping it was just normal fluctuation and that he can get his ISO back up to like .200. Also his walk rate was 3 percent higher than his career last year and he posted his lowest k rate ever. If he keeps an OBP north of .365 we should just bat him 9th and leave him be.
As for splitting time with a rookie – maybe, though I get the feeling that Rosario will need some time in AAA.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think Iannetta's power number may have dipped because he was batting 8th all season
It seems foolish for a pitcher to give Iannetta a pitch he can drive out of the ballpark with the pitcher on deck.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I could see that
though every time I look at production by lineup spot, I just see a bunch of stuff that’s inconclusive. I feel like he’s batted 8th throughout his career and has still posted higher power numbers.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It's certainly possible
Iannetta has had so many small sample sizes at each position though to add up to those numbers that I fell like any conclusion you try to draw there will have a bunch of statistical noise in it.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
yea, it's all bunch of bs with his numbers
all we know is that he walks a bunch, hits for avg to above avg power and is apparently the worst at framing pitches.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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a 108 wRC+ and 3.3 fWAR from C is not a problem.
It’s not Brian McCann, obviously, but it’s not a problem.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
but it was only a 2.6 bWAR so he sucks
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
Damn you statistical inconsistencies!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
hahaha
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
Even if you remove C from the list,
we still have holes and 2B and 3B, and would continue to have them with an Ellis signing. The point is that the offensive hole is only somewhat smaller with Ellis than the merry-go-terrible. Let’s go for it here.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
I vote Prado
lets put together a vote and give it to dan o dowd
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
if we voted on everything, Rich Harden would probably be our Opening Day starter
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Why stop there?
I’d vote for Calyton Kershaw personally, Roy Halladay #2, King Felix #3.
Rich Harden would still win
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I vote Erik Bedard
not really
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
you're damn right he would
and our closer too.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
To continue the analogy:
The Cheerleader puts out. The Plan Jane doesn’t. The Cheerleader might not put out with you, but at least you have a chance of getting some. If, in the ends, you wind up with a real dog, at least you can take her to McDonald’s for dinner because you don;t have to impress. And if you get the Cheerleader, you’ll never forget it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions
The Plain Jane is just going to frustrate you.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
which one likes horses again?
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The curvy one
Who would put out even if you take her to McDonalds. She doesn’t have low self esteem, she just knows how to have a good time.
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Get well soon Juan.
the pr gynocracy is going to have a hay day with this
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
thankfully, they all go into hibernation during the offseason
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I hate this whole thread.
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As expected
I am going to gynocracy hell.
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Aren't you already there?
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Iowa? It's not that bad...
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Well it does stand for
Idiots Out Wandering Around…
Or so my ex-Iowan friend told me :)
(It’s a joke!)
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Iowa has nothing to do with my personal gynocracy hell.
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Get well soon Juan.
hey now, I’m in a very healthy and mutually happy relationship with a girl that loves horses.
She doesn’t like McDonald’s, though…
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Does anybody really like McDonalds?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I do.
Especially their breakfast.
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I like their breakfast burritos.
But I don’t get the whole McRib thing?
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
It's processed pork product.
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Yeah, so why is it so popular?
Weird.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
How many barbecued pork products
are available in general fast food stores? if you haven’t had it in a while even bad BBQ is good
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Is this another analogy for players acquisitions again?
I’m confused.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
Yes - Giambi is the McRib.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Yobogoya?
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No thank you.
I’d rather Urban Forage.
Are those dandelion greens?
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It had me thinking
Are there really people out there that Urban Forage?
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It is delicious.
And this year I actually remembered that they come with pickles, so I didn’t even end up with one vile pickle, because I asked for them to hold it. Seriously though I think the thing with the McRib is that it doesn’t appear all that often, and by the time you see a commercial for it, you forget how gurgle-y your stomach got last time you had it.
How dare you say something bad about pickles
on the day set aside for their celebration.
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I feel worse for admitting I ate a McRib.
Considering I hadn’t eaten meat for almost two years. The last month has been weird. But I don’t like pickles on hot sandwiches. I only like pickles by themselves or on cold things.
What's not to love
pork parts smushed together in the shape of ribs. Slathered with BBQ sauce.
McRib Nutritional Info:
490 calories, 220 calories from fat, 25 g fat, 8 g saturated fat, 75 mg cholesterol, 1040 mb sodium, 44 g carbohydrates, 2 g fiber, 24 g protein, 11 g sugars.
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Well, when you put it that way . . .
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
I'm here to help..:)
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As
I sit here eating some mcdonalds, I must admit I’m a fan – but moderation is a must
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I don’t. But I also don’t like horses, so don;t get any ideas.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
She doesn’t eat fast food. We…come from slightly different backgrounds.
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Does she do casual dining a la Qdoba or Chipotle?
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
She likes horses.
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Casual dining involves making a reservation…
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We have never been to any of those places together
also, I laugh every time I see the name “Shoney’s”
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You Coloradans just don;t know how to live.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
(I was born in Texas)
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(Austin)
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Anyway,
a Shoney’s is just a Perkins that isn’t open 24 hours.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Love Shoney's
they used to have one in Colorado Springs. Now the only one I go to is in LA (Louisiana for those who don’t know state abbreviations from cities)
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to avoid these confusions :)
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My second
And that is how I came to the same opinion as you with their breakfast.
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My first job was Burger King.
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I wish they hadn't changed their french fry recipe :(
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Never touch the stuff!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
I'm right here with you.
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wonder how Cheerleader, PlaneJane and HorseLady would descrbe them ?
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by hotdoglady on Nov 14, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Make it green, ladies!
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
.
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am I the one with the glasses?
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Holy crap
Where did you find my picture?
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And you were the one making fun of Alyssa for wearing the checkered skirt.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
What makes you think that one is me?
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You're a blonde.
Thus, you have to be one of the two on the right. I just can’t see you in pigtails. So…
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
Who says the hippie chick isn't a blonde?
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LOL and you can tell this how?
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Well, now that makes sense.
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who's the hippie?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
also me.
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I'm a mix between the hippie
the checkered skirt, and the glasses wearing gal.
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But which one likes horses?
I’m so confused.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Katherine The Great.
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by hotdoglady on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
And you hated this whole thread?
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LOLBAAHAHAHAHA
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You have your choice between
So and so
The ugly one
Whats-her-face
Cheerleader
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
reccd
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There goes the Thnikkaman....
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
TEENGIRLSQUAD!!!!!!
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
What's sad is that Maria was so proud of us the other day.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
haha this makes me chuckle
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
My experience was a bit different
You meet plain Jane and Cheerleader at a party. Cheerleader is out of your league, and plain Jane is really cool. You & Jane go on a double date with Cheerleader and your buddy who somehow managed to get her to agree to it. Cheerleader isn’t into him; you and Jane are just friends. Jane then puts in a good word for you with Cheerleader, and somehow you end up in the sack with Cheerleader.
But it’s not that great. An amicable split, followed by about 2 years of friends-with-benefits with now-blossoming Jane – who is becoming your best friend – while your best mate ends up with Cheerleader.
Not only did this happen, but 22 years later I’m still close friends with all three of them. Hurray for happy beginnings, middles and endings!
I miss friends with benefits
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
I miss friends...
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no not "Friends" but friends...
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wait I don't get a sigh for missing my friends :(
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Not the kind of sigh that I was giving you
for missing Friends. No.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Labeling C as a problem would be exacerbated by the fact that even if you wanted to upgrade – where would you go?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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/framing
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/umpire management
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China
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
It's not a problem,
but it is a minor hole in the lineup. I’m just talking about offense here. That being said, it doesn’t change the overall point if you remove him.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
What do you mean?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
assuming Rosario isn’t going to step up and give use the value of CDI and then some – a lot of teams have really crappy catchers so CDI’s better than crappy production is actually pretty good, and any team with a solid catcher would probably be unwilling to part with any of them. Dealing CDI in the hopes of upgrading the position doesn’t make much sense. If Rosario was more a sure thing then I’d say yea, absolutely lets deal CDI.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
No
what does exacerbate mean?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd say let CDI
split with Rosario and lets find out who is better. I think we can justify $3.5 million in 2012 for him but I don’t know about the $5 mil team option for 2013
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions
$5mil doesn’t sound so bad to me.
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lol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
whoa $4 million for Rod B?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
I'm still of the opinion
that CDI should practice defense at 1b – in the event that Rosario puts it together and deserves to be starting – a 60/40 time split with CDI getting the 40% and then about 30 starts at 1b would be ideal. This way, they each start about 100 games a season and we keep CDI’s flawed yet valuable bat in the lineup.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
we have to increase our utility people on this team, if you can only play one position, you are useless
on a more serious note, CDI’s bat at 1B is no longer valuable in my opinion.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
well he’s definitely not the best bat at 1b but again if he’s sporting a .370 OBP – that’s pretty valuable regardless of position. Besides, it’s not about CDI being valuable at 1b as much as it is needing to free up time to let Rosario be valuable at C and to give Helton off days. I think we would still need Iannetta (not that you were suggesting we trade him) to mentor Rosario to a degree as well as provide valuable insurance in case if somehow Rosario makes the team out of spring training, does well for a few weeks, and then crashes…
Helton for 110 starts + Iannetta for 30 + Giambi and whoever for the remainder could probably be a pretty decent 4WAR combination out of 1b.
Honestly, the real problem isn’t Iannetta here, it’s Helton – he’s costing us a lot of money for a ton of uncertainty and good not great 1b production, but since our hands our tied behind our backs with how to handle him, we end up discussing stuff like Giambi’s usefulness and upgrading at catcher…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Congrats, Arizona.
You signed a not-very-good second baseman for two years.
Hill has been worth less than 1.2 fWAR just once over the past four seasons.
His OBP by season:
.324
.330
.271
.291
The man slugged 26 HR in 2010, and finished with a 76 wRC+. That’s pretty impossible to do.
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of course that should read “worth more than 1.2 fWAR just once over the past four seasons”
Ugh. Mondays.
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Hill could be decent i think
he fell victim to Toronto’s “swing hard in case you hit it” theory of hitting, with a new approach he could turn out to be a good pick up.
2011 - not even light can escape
He turns 30 next spring
and his LD% has mostly stayed above 17% for his career (with 2010 being the outlier). At this point, he is what he is.
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Mindblowing that he had like an .820 OPS with 36 bombs on his rap sheet.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
26 HRs with a 76wRC+?
A completely out of character .196 BABIP will do that; half of his hits were doubles or homeruns. Guess that was his swing for the fences season.
If I remember correctly he hit extremely well when he arrived in Arizona.
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...with a .356 BABIP
His career average is .285. He’s always going to be below a .300 BABIP guy.
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Agreed but not a below .200 BABIP guy
just thinking the Snakes might be basing it on what he did for them, not his time in Toronto
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which is a pretty silly idea
then again, we don’t even have a second baseman so what am I complaining about.
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Don't get me wrong I believe it will backfire
Although Hill has performed better than most in the 2003 draft (poor Ian).
What a sad draft 2003 turned into.
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via Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Dodgers, Kemp in serious discussions on eight-year, $160M contract. #mlb
WHOA
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Hey-Oh
something tells me Kemp might be complacent with money in his pocket
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I wanted a Matt Kemp for my OF.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 10:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
His name is Dexter Fowler.
You mark my words. Dude is gonna be amazing next year.
/Not being sarcastic
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He's not going to be Matt Kemp.
Not that he was ever going to be a Rockie anyway.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Huh? I never said Kemp would be a Rockie.
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I know you didn't.
LMM said he wanted Matt Kemp in his outfield.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Oh okay. Hard to navigate
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I agree
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 12:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
......................... No way]
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Done deal.
8 years, $160 million extension.
Remember that window when the NL West didn’t have a big spender? Yeah, we definitely failed to take advantage of that.
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Wait till you wake up January 1st.
Flip your calendar to the new page and see at the top 2011: Part II.
2011 II: Electric boogaloo?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 1:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Watterman Butterfly became my favorite today.
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Get well soon Juan.
well,lt ls the most beautlful , exctlng and accurate :0
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
How about we take a different tack.
Let’s trade CDI to Milwaukee with Hammel for Lucroy to mentor Rosario and Wolf to Mentor our young studs. Pay cash for the difference. Trade Fowler to Atlanta plus prospect for Diaz and Prado. Take the difference in cash and make a run at Willingham or Pagan.
Purely a fantasy type of deal but I look at it like this. Atlanta needs a CF done deal We have a Smith Diaz platton. Cargo plays center and stays there where he’s max value. Wolf is on the Downside and Milwaukee over paid him. He’d still be a solid starter and we’d tell him to quit whineing and put up if he ever wants out of here. Lucroy would be here for his glove and his game calling while Rosario hones his Bat and learns from a better defensive example.
Willingham is the impact bat everyone hopes or failing to acquire him the Mets let us take Pagan off their hands so we don’t miss Fowler’s speed. It might be an opportunity to deal EY2 while we are at it. If Atlanta does not wnt to give up Prado with Diaz then they owe us a prospect preferably a pitcher. We have Pagan/Blackmon/ Wheeler for one outfield spot or we have Willingham/Blackmon.
I might sweeten the deal for Atlanta by nontendering Stewart on the understanding they pick him up for whatever they think he’s worth as Chipper insurance. Pacheco becomes the 3b placeholder. Wiggy becomes Super Utility where he belongs and if we managed to pry Prado loose then he’s 2b. If not we are not worse off than we were. We lose CDI’s Offense. Hoprfully Rosario replaces or exceeds it. We lose Fowler’s offense Diaz would offset that somewhat. If we get Willinham then the offense has Improved. If we don’t we are much the same. Pagan needs a change of scene and may respond well to Coors. If not he’s a place holder while Blackmon and Wheeler get it together
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Atlanta has Bourn, they don't need a CF
by purplesocks on Nov 14, 2011 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
They still keep shopping for one so they area ware of his limitations.
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they only have him for 1 more year
which is why I think they’d like Smith + Wheeler.
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Pretty much all of this makes our team worse, not better
and it costs money and prospects. Why would we even consider any of this?
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There's no reason to think that Lucroy would "mentor" anybody.
What possible reason would Lucroy have in training someone to put himself out of a job?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
we rework his contract to become a player/manager
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Free gum and sunflower seeds.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
What is this? I don't even....
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 10:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wait,
Randy Wolf is a whiner? About what? Why is Wiggy still on your team? Why would we ever trade Dex?
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because we’re attempting to mortgage the present for the future, while simultaneously mortgaging the future for the present. durrr
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Boy do I feel dumb now...:)
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I am reconciled to being stuck with Wiggy. I don't know who would want him.
Wolf has been a pro but has made remarks about not wanting to pitch here. Tradeing Dex is to get the value of Prado and Diaz. Two holes for one.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Well Wolf isn't the only pitcher
that doesn’t like pitching at Coors. I don’t see the Braves giving up Prado. And they have Bourn now. So where would Dex even play?
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LF
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
You sure about that?
Bourn has a better defensive reputation
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
I kind of like Lucroy
But he’s 25 and just finished his first full season in the bigs. I don’t think that gives him great credentials as Rosario’s “mentor.”
If we really want Willingham, just go get him. I don’t see the upside of the other moves you are proposing. And if we non-tender Stewart, how does Atlanta call “dibs” on him?
by Northsider1964 on Nov 14, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
So, basically,
this is an orgy with the Cheerleader, Plain Jane, the McDonald’s girl and a horse?
Intriguing.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Wan't that the plot of Clerks 2?
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by J_Stone on Nov 14, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Clerks 2 had a plot?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
I've only included one prospect and I don't think we wind up worse.
Is Rosario the future or not? Lucroy is his back up. Wolf is better than Hammel and being on the downside should be willing to teach. Diaz and Smith platoon improves one out field spot and Cargo stays in one place. Prado improves 2b and Pagan is better than bad Dex and not as good as good Dex. If we get Willingham we have that precious righthand bat that everyone hasbeen dreaming about. As for money : NO Cook , Stewart, Fowler, Spilly, Ellis, CDI should offset the money I’ve spent.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Wolf is better than Hammel
He is?
Diaz and Smith platoon improves one out field spot
Why trade for the weak part of a platoon when there are a dozen solid FA options every year?
Pagan is better than bad Dex and not as good as good Dex
No, not really. Pagan is an okay OBP, good defense OF. Even bad Dex is a good OBP, good defense OF.
If we get Willingham we have that precious righthand bat that everyone hasbeen dreaming about.
We’d still have to outbid 5-10 teams for his services, and I find that unlikely after taking on Wolf’s contract and tendering Prado for $4mil.
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We don;‘t know how Rosario will handle the ML yet so we downgrade at catcher and don’t even add innings to the rotation because we just swap Hammel with Wolf. It makes little sense to give away the 4 wins Dex could give us to obtain the 3-4 wins Prado could give us just to also get a platoon partner for Smith and a worse CF.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Cargo is a worse centerfield?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
A Cargo/Diaz/Smith/Pagan outfield is not in any way better than a Cargo/Dex/Smith/FA platoon outfield. It’s just not.
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The Mini-Plans went up over the weekend
for those who are interested.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/col/ticketing/mini_plans.jsp
I already have my games planned for next season. I’m excited!
Also, odds are that the Grand Prize for being Best PRMLB GM
will be two tickets to the Saturday, September 22 game against the Diamondbacks.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
That's a nice prize!
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 12:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Drew Pomeranz vs Tyler Skaggs!
With Arenado, Tulo, Rutledge, Helton, and Rosario as the infield!
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Martin Prado and David Wright are hurt?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 12:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
seeing their recent histories
yes, yes they are.
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Also Tim Wheeler starts in LF..
While his brother starts at 3B for the snakes.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 1:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Marlins made an offer to Ryan Madson.
Pujols, Reyes, Buehrle, and Madson? Yeesh. Two of those four are probably going to accept.
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This’ll be a weird year for the Marlins, methinks.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Do they actually think that will put people in the seats?
In Florida?
Maybe they’re gambling on getting people to show up for the new stadium (attendance usually spikes with new fields) & being successful enough to keep them coming back by loading up on free agents in the first year of their new park.
Trouble is, having sold off World Series-winning teams twice, can they fool their fans for the 3rd time?
They want to launch their new team with a bang.
I’d do the same thing.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
What did they offer him?
A chance to wear an ugly uni and play in front of empty seats, for $8 mill per year? Just because they offer doesn’t mean he’ll take it.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 1:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt the Marlins' stadium will be empty if they make some of these signings
Not early in the season, anyways.
Papelbon to Phillies official
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Phillies announce the signing of Jonathan Papelbon to a four-year, $50,000,058 contract with a vesting option for 2016.
Mark my words, they’re going to regret that last $58…
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I think i found what Papelbon will spend his $58 on..
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
GMs aroudn the legue are already relishing....
offering to pick up that $58 in salary when the Phils inevitably try to dump him.
Amaro is dumb,
If they wanted a fly-ball homer giving pitcher, we could have given them Street for 1/10th the cost if they simply provided John Mayberry Jr in return
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
What do you guys think about donating some PR Cares money to the Mike Coolbaugh foundation?
Or sponsoring a Rowbot to play in the golf tournament this Friday. Anyone from the Texas-San Antonio area interested?
Here’s a recent article on the Coolbaughs.
http://tinyurl.com/65ogxxs
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 12:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't mind this at all
I don’t know anyone in the area though
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OT: NBA fans
Say goodbye to your season. The players just rejected the latest offer and are likely to decertify.
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They filed a disclaimer of interest, just one step short of decertify.
I’m bummed about it..:(
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does this mean
when they release NBA 2K13 you pay 70 bucks for an empty box? Because that would be hilariously awesome.
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Fine.
What a ridiculous league. I have zero sympathy for all sides — let them all lose money.
I only feel bad for the people who make their livings in related businesses — concession folks, restaurant owners, etc.
Otherwise, I don’t care. And I say this as a basketball fan. That’s how disgusting it is.
The lockout was the best thing that's happened to the NHL since Gretzky.
The league is much better and healthier for it.
I only hope the NBA learns from that hard lesson.
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I don't know.
I was underwhlemed by the level of play that I saw on Saturday night. But I still think that most of this mediocrity came from the expansion period than anything else.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, hockey is stretched way too thin
Plus, it’s just a fact that players can’t go all-out every night for fear of destroying their bodies. That’s why playoff hockey seems so dramatically different that regular season.
I was mainly speaking from a financial standpoint
There’s still some issues with a quickly escalating cap floor, but it’s a much healthier league than in 2002.
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So, is the level of play really that bad across the NHL?
Or is it just that the Flames and Avs really suck? Saturday’s game reminded me of IHL hockey in the 80s and 90s.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
The Flames really suck
and the Avs cannot beat the Flames. Winless in their last eight matchups.
It’s a pretty simple formula.
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I don’t think the Avs setup an offense all night. The whole strategy seemed to be Skate-Shoot-Forecheck-Defense-Repeat. This was occasionally interrupted by a Flames goal. Just terrible. I feel sorry for you Avs fans.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Going down by two goals after just two shots changes your entire offensive strategy
It was a weird game, and pretty unusual on all fronts. I wouldn’t take too much away from that one experience.
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Does this mean that the Nuggest are going to suck for the next 6+ years,
but Carmelo is going to come back and play for them again?
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'm going through terrible NBA withdrawal
Maybe over lunch I can find a park where two guys are playing one-on-one, and eight mildly-interested guys are standing around with their hands in their pockets, watching them. That should give me an NBA fix.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
And you can act as ref....
calling phantom fouls on guys you don’t know, while ignoring those committed by more well known playground players.
my favorite thing about the last NBA work stoppage
was the commercials making fun of the NBA “It’s Faaaaaantastic” ad campaign.
Samuel L. Jackson: “Three guys playing horse….it’s faaaaaaaaantastic.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 14, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
might be more than a season
“@darrenrovell: David Stern guarantees on SportsCenter that if union files suit, there will be “years of litigation.”"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 12:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
David Stern is a badass
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David Stern is an badass
fify
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David Stern is an ass and commish you don't want to mess with
better?
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Nope.
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Not better but it is the truth
the Man has some serious serious power; whether you like it or not.
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I think he's going to find out how little power he actually has now.
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Curious as to why you think the above
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Because nobody want's to be the commish who presided over the death of his sport
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I thought he was saving the sport (once again)
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Very sad for that sport
They just came off a very strong year and now have taken any chance they had to build off that momentum and thrown it away.
I’m interested to see if this helps the NHL at all. Despite attracting different audiences, their seasons mirror each other so much on the calendar that they may have a chance to capture some of those fans (especially with hockey slowly gaining momentum ever since their lockout)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Different audiences entirely. I don't see it happening.
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As a sports fan
I will watch slightly more NHL games this year because there is no NBA to watch……..I may be in the minority though.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know.
Some people just watch it because it’s sports. But I think the NBA folks will just watch more NCAA.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
Hopefully this means the Al Harrington's of the league will no longer be earning 6.5 million a year.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 1:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hey don't disparage Fat Albert...love the guy.
His problem was plantar fasciatis last season….comorbidity with hamburger eatyitis:)
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I'd like to believe that.
If he could play more like the Al Harrington that beat the Spurs, I’d stop ragging on him.
OT: Broncos
Moreno will be placed on IR. Torn ACL. #Broncos
Methinks his career is over.
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Which part?
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The is part.
It was over a long time ago.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Except he'll be the Rams starting RB someday.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 14, 2011 1:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It sucks for Moreno.
However I had just read a report not 5 minutes ago that it was just a sprain, sucks to hear that its a tear.
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Get well soon Juan.
a ligament tear is a type of sprain technically
Not all sprains are tears, but all tears are sprains
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 12:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Torn ACL’s are career ending? Is this 1975?
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I think it is for Moreno with the Broncos..yes.
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I think it's more about him kind of sucking before the ACL tear...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He sucked before the ACL tear,
he’s had a couple of other injuries, and I think the Broncos will probably be done with him.
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Sucked? That's an exaggeration.
He was league average with piss poor blocking the past two years.
This year he hasn’t been all that good, but he’s also barely gotten any carries since McGahee has broken out.
And he’s still a definite weapon as a pass-catcher out of the backfield, though I’m somewhat confused as to why McCoy isn’t using him in that regard.
pass-catcher
What is this word?
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Gimmick play that's sort of in vogue right now.
Supposedly you have your quarterback physically hurl the ball forward and somebody catches it.
Sounds crazy to me. It’ll never last.
This is the rumor I hear tell of.
Personally, I think it’s an Urban legend…
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He has a bad habit of fumbling
And he can’t possibly catch a pass that isn’t being thrown.
Nor can any other receivers not named Decker.
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Decker is <3
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Yep I like the guy.
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No love for Doom?:(
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Doom makes a lot more money, but I am glad we have both
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Von Miller is good
but yet to be forgiven by me for his jackassery in breaking Speedy Stewart’s leg, then posting a picture of the same on the interwebz….
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
huh????
Career ending?
Very premature.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Career with the Broncos....as I said elsewhere in this thread....
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maybe, but not career ending.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
well his career is over....
with the broncos.
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Read the initial statement.
That’s why there was so much confusion, because it didn’t specify.
Regardless, it’s very premature to say his career as a Bronco is over . . .
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
But did you even read the rest of the thread to see I clarified?
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Career-ending is premature either way.
Even if you’re talking about as a Bronco. He was a first round pick just two years ago.
And btw, yes I read the rest of the thread because I was shocked you’d conclude that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
I stand by my opinion.
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Cool?
I’m not going to try to sway you either way.
It’s just so early to say something like that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
Moreno has injury history, fumbleitis
and a wee bit of bad blood. I think this is probably the end of the line for him as a Bronco.
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His contract issue when he was first signed IIRC
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Didn't he hold out and it caused some consternation?
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He held out for 8 days
but that was with a different coaching staff, and before Elway came back. Unless Bowlen is still upset about it, I can’t imagine that it’s still an issue. And I’m not sure Bowlen can remember that long ago…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
He held out, but it didn't cause any bad blood.
Pretty much all of the top 15 picks in that draft class held out for a long time because Crabtree’s extended bitchfest stagnated the market for early first rounders.
He signed right around when the picks around him did, IIRC. Don’t remember it causing any consternation. Especially since this is a different coaching staff now.
Well, that's true about the coaching staff.
But I still think his injury history and fumbleitis don’t help his cause.
Like I said, IMHO…
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Career with the Broncos....
I realize I should have been more clear with more original comment, but I did clarify later….
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Oh well.. yea.
I doubt it either way.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 12:44 PM MST reply actions
Boy that's the truth
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good
this will only put pressure on us to make a deal for Prado. Given the names thrown around in the rumor mill (IE Not blog commentors), I’m not too worried about overpaying.
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and hey
we get a draft pick out of it! woo
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
maybe not
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
yea well
shhhhhh
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I would imagine (or at least hope)
That they won’t change those rules until after the 2012 season. That would pretty much be changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
I'd think so too
But I’ve seen tweets from (uninformed?) Writers suggesting the opposite
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I have little reason to expect a big trade
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
for Prado?
based off of history?
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pretty much
The fit doesn’t feel right
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 2:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
okay, NOW we're screwed
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Meh 2012 is unlikely to be our year anyway too much youth
barring lightning in a bottle(Stewie breaking out, Wheeler/Blackmon having a ROY season) if we have to use some combo of Herrera/Emaus/Nelson/EY2 at 2B so be it, hell maybe Rutledge hits his way onto the team by July either way I see no need to sell the farm for a guy who may or may not bounce back. I would rather see if any of our Org depth has a breakout in them than dump our OF depth for a guy who hasn’t been a fulltime 2B in 3 years
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We've got WAY too much talent and money sunk to think like this ...
Most of the difference between a bad year and a good year is luck (mostly with injuries and breakout seasons) anyway.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 14, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
I don't want any pressure to make a deal for Prado
Giving up Smith for Prado is already a lot (they’re probably worth equal), and I don’t want the Braves thinking they can get Smith+prospect for Prado.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
They aren't worth the same to use.
We have a glut of OF. We have no 2B. He has a lot more value than another OF.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
We can more easily replace Smith with Blackmon. We don’t really have any options at 2b.
Additionally, I’m interested in us throwing a prospect in there for the Braves if it can help get us a good reliever. I want another arm for the bullpen to offset the loss of Street whose salary is prohibitive….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Oh, if we got a reliever I wouldn't mind adding in a prospect
I’m saying Prado isn’t equal Smith plus a B prospect. We’re giving up 3 years of an above average bat for 2 years of an above average bat coming off a bad year. His second base defense isn’t even that great. If it was based off of value and not need, I wouldn’t even trade Smith for Prado
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
But Prado isn't replacing Smith.
Prado is replacing Ellis/Herrera/EY etc. The added value at 2B makes him more valuable than the slight (if any) loss of value in the OF.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
That's not my point though.
I’m saying that they’re equal bats, and only Prado’s position availability makes him more valuable. He has decreased value because he couldn’t OPS .700 last year. Adding in that Smith has a extra year of control makes Smith slightly more valuable (with not other factors) in a trade. Our need for a second baseman (which isn’t great and their need for an outfield bat (which is easier to find) makes it an equal trade.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
and whatever perceived value difference
will be made up by a low-mid level prospect, not a B-level prospect or another MLB player.
That’s not how MLB trades work.
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The value difference is real.
We need to deal an OF, because we have too many and none of them seem to fulfill our need for a power bat to protect Tulo.
We need a 2B and a #2 hitter.
They don’t need to deal Prado right now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
they want to shed salary though
and dealing prado is the perfect way to make that happen
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
They want to. But it isn’t a necessity. He isn’t sucking up that much payroll. Our needs far outweigh their needs here. They are going to try to get something to fill their needs. That need is a long-term outfield solution in the guise of a high-level OF prospect.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Let Dex hit leadoff Helton hit #2 let Tulo hit #3 let Cargo hit #4
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in no world should a 400 year old todd helton be hitting second
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
although it would be nice to see Helton 363 years from now when he can play without being managed by Tracy who presumably will have passed on some 320 years prior…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He already hits #3
between his BB% and his contact skills this means Dex comes home more often
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
the 2-hole sees the most PAs of any spot in the lineup
those should not be going to todd helton
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
fine by me make it Dex, Cargo, Tulo, Helton, CDI, Smith
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What about a world where he plays 2b?
:-)
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
No. You said:
(they’re probably worth equal)
They aren’t to us, and we are the ones who are dealing.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
The latest rumor
is that the Tigers are interested in Prado and are willing to deal Delmon Young for him.
I can only assume that faced with the potential of acquiring Young, The Braves will fall in love with idea of acquiring Seth Smith. Hooray!
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Last out of the 2007 baseball season.
No one else can say that.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
but for the small price of martin prado, YOU could!
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lol delmon young?
if i’m frank wren and my offers are seriously smith+junk and delmon young… well, you do the math
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At this point, we're going to overpay to get Prado.
And I want us to do it.
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we should just get Prado and Jurrjens and then deal Jurrjens and Wigginton to HOU for Wandy.
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and then deal wandy to the mets for wright
and then deal wright to the mariners for felix.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
no
I want a Jhoulys and a Wandy and I’m willing to sacrifice a Jair to get it!
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Jurr + Wiggy for Wandy?
Not a good trade for us, IMO
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 14, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
Jurrjens > Wandy
It’s not all that close, either
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I disagree
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I also want us to
though I think there are multiple ways to overpay and that we can ‘overpay’ in a way that is essentially a negligible one.
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He’s a starting 2B for us next year.
If Rutledge works out and takes over the gig, he can help out Arenado at 3B.
If Rutledge and Arenado work out, he’s a good version of Ty Wigginton.
Lots of ways for him to contribute, and we would have him for a minimum of two seasons.
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GAH JUST PAY THE DAMN ASKING PRICE O'DOWD
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Never!
If no one else will stand up for what is good and right and fair, dammit, we will!
by BostonTransplant on Nov 14, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
They aren’t equal bats, if Smith has to hit against lefties. He’s a part-time player. A really good one, don’t get me wrong, but he’s not a full-time guy. Prado doesn’t have that issue.
I’m not speaking from Atlanta with no clue about who Seth Smith is. I live in Denver. I go to games. I can look and see that he had three or less PAs in 50 games last year because he came into the game late on a day when a lefty started, and got pulled when a lefty reliever came into the game.
This Prado = Smith talk is irritating, because it simply is not true. Might as well say that Matt Diaz = Prado while you’re at it, because his career line is .291/.341/.437 to Prado’s .291/.341/.434.
The reality is that Smith has faced a RH pitcher 83% of the time. There’s a reason for it that goes far beyond there being more righties than lefties. You can’t simply look at slash lines and say they equal each other without looking at the circumstances that cause this to occur. Now add in excellent positional flexibility into the equation and you’ll see that Prado has Smith beat in both the field and the plate.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Aren't 85% of pitchers in baseball RH?
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No.
FWIW, Diaz is considered a platoon guy and has a 50/50 split in LHP/RHP, and Prado was at 33%/67%.
I would wager that its a 2:1 ratio between RHP/LHP. For fun, I checked Chipper Jones and RHP came in at 72%, so that’s not incredibly far off.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I more or less agree
But you can’t compare the LH/RH ratios of a LH platoon player to a RH platoon player because the baseline leaguewife split of LHP/RHP is nowhere near 50%. A LHB with a 50/50 split would be more like a reverse platoon player
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 2:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed completely...
There was really no point in including Diaz’s split, other than his mention in my prior post. Should have phrased it as such.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I agree
that I think Prado is more valuable than Smith. But how much more valuable is Prado than Smith after considering Smith is cheaper, will come for an extra year, and doesn’t have the injury history that Prado does? I’d still feel Prado is more valuable but I’d argue that the gap is closed somewhat. Also, a Diaz/Smith platoon could be a hell of an outfielder – I wish we had him or someone like him to platoon this past season…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I hope you get to watch Delmon and his career .762 OPS against LH starters
and his horrid defense, because if we can’t get Prado I want him out of the NL
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Read the article. Nowhere does it say the Braves are remotely interested in Delmon Young.
Saying that the Tigers are interested in trading Delmon Young for Prado is like saying the Braves are interested in trading Prado for CarGo. Sounds great, but the other team wouldn’t be remotely interested.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Alright Sold! you can have Cargo just don't touch Wheeler or Blackmon
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we have to acquire cargo from Milwaukee first
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 2:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
2/$9
Le sigh
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's a bit much
that second year is what really got us
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absolutely not
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much
I feel like this is pick your poison…..
Our options are..
A) Do nothing, prepare to suck at 2B, and hope that somebody has a tolerable season out of nowhere.
B) Overpay for multiple years of mediocre play.
C) Wait out the Braves for Prodo – If they demand too much, you’re stuck stuck with option A.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Did we all finally realize there is no magical option at 2nd base?
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
#FREECHRISNELSON
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#Occupy2ndbase
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I should specify in there somewhere that they need to have a bat
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
bummer.
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I'll still love him, just like I could never root against Jamey Carroll.
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So you're too blame for Jamey being horrible towards us
since he’s been a Dodger. :P
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2B/SS is really slutty in the NL west
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
LOL!!! The slutty cheerleaders?
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Or the slutty pumpkins...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This comment
FTW
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
our prom looks pretty crappy compared the one they're having on the east coast
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proms are awesome when you drive a bitchin' Camaro!
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 1:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Albert Pujols?
or Jose Reyes to play second?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
This is why I want to see Jose Reyes go to the Marlins
If they sign him and move Hanley to 3B, that will put an even bigger strain on the market for SS’s over the next few seasons with one of the top three in baseball being squezed out of the position. Since that’s not going to be an issue for us for many many years, I’d love for this to happen and watch the outrageous contract offers come rolling in from our competition in an effort to keep their head above water at that spot.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
Randy Wolf and Howie Kendrick
The last thing Randy Wolf is is a “whiner” although I am sure the Rockies could use his bat as well as his pitching. And who ever suggested Howie Kendrick would be made available by the Angels? Dream on! It would take a major deal to part with one of the most dependable and flexible members of that squad.
kendrick is about as available as headley
ie, not at all
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
OT: Doctor Who to become a movie.
by the director of Harry Potter….
Yates made clear that his movie adaptation would not follow on from the current TV series, but would take a completely fresh approach to the material.
“Russell T. Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch,” he said.
Yates and Tranter are looking for writers on both sides of the Atlantic.
/dislike the idea of starting from scratch :(
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046098
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never got doctor who
not my cup of tea
/british joke is not intentional
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
It was a terrible movie too.
At least Yates would make it palatable. But no reason to destroy canon or not bring in things that have been long standing. Just IMO.
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Dr. Who has no canon.
That’s part of the point. They just make stuff up as they go along.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
this is the impression i always had
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Is there a show bible? No.
But the RTD/Moffat era have kept basic villains from the past and added to the history.
Meh..we’ll see.
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Not really true
There is a definite continuing threadline from day 1 of the series to today. Revisiting former companions, bringing back old villains, mentioning old storylines – there is a definite canon, although they have played very fast and loose with it at times..
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
This. Exactly.
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"At least Yates would make it palatable."
ehhhhhhh…….
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't say it would be tasty...just palatable.
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I don't hate Yates.
But I don’t like him either. He’s like stale bread, which I guess is palatable…
Put it this way. I wouldn’t rule it out. But I am dubious.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
I'm dubious too.
I’m not a Harry Potter watcher but I’ve seen a couple of the films. They were okay.
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But I disagree with his notion
that you’d have to throw out the baby and the bathwater for people to come and watch it.
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gotta get rid of the bathwater somehow
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Of course people will go watch it.
They’d watch it regardless of who is involved with such a strong brand name.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Mike Newell's was the only one I really liked.
Amusing, since it was based on my least favorite of the novels.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely the worst of the films, IMO.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Azkaban is the most delicate source material of the series.
I feel it’s the closest thing Rowling wrote to an actual good novel. It was structured in a very distinct way, around the entire third act being a time travel story, which is very difficult to get to work. I thought it was paced exactly as it needed to be, and I think it was ripe for implementation in the cinema.
Now I want to be clear, films are not books. I am not a purist for Harry Potter, nor a purist for anything. I’m one of the few that often LIKES film adaptations taking incredible liberties with the source material. It’s Title: The Film, not Title: The Book: The Film. That said, I felt that Cuaron’s approach was essentially an overcompensation for Chris Columbus’ lack of style, and that compensation came at the expense of what made the story really work for me..
The biggest complaint about the first two films was that they were drab and dull, which is a criticism I agree with, but not at the film’s expense (in other words, I think they were bland but for the most part, effective and telling their respective stories). When Columbus was set to switch to a producing only role for Azkaban, it felt like Heyman’s first priority was to pick a director that he could instruct to be the exact opposite of Columbus. And it should be pointed out that because of this, laying the blame at Cuaron’s feet may not be necessary. I believe he was probably explicitly told to go bonanza with the style.
So what we wound up with was a very pretty movie that had no interest in telling the story. It was a sideshow, an afterthought to Cuaron. He and Kloves basically ignored the pacing of the story with the intent of making it look cool. Movies can be good just by looking cool. This one wasn’t. I found it stilted and hamstrung from trying to atone for the previous two’s mistakes.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
agreed 100%
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its the only HP movie I've seen
and I thought it totally blew
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Maybe he could cast Gary Oldman as The Doctor?
Emma Watson or Evanna Lynch as his companion? Alan Rickman as The Master?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
Or maybe more equivalently...
This one….
I tried to watch it once. Couldn’t make it more than 10 minutes…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
If you want to make it accessible to a wide audience,
you pretty much have to start from scratch.
Speaking as a Dr. Who outsider, it’s a bit difficult to get into given the massive amount of history, even if each Doctor is technically a different character.
But Doctor Who has a big fan base already.
You can tweak it, and add the lore, but I don’t see how they fully reboot unless you start over with the Time War.
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Do what they did with the Star Trek reboot
Alternate timelines or something.
Should be easy for a series where time travel is about as casual as a trip to the grocery store.
Doctor Who is already a contuniuity of discontinuity.
I don’t think they need to bother with a textual justification. Just go make whatever they want. There’s no need to justify the existence of an alternative canon like they did with Trek.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh
just……. no.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
p.s. I don't mean this, just thought I'd wind people up
I actually represent a director on Doctor Who and he did a fab job of two eps in the last series. But on the whole I’m not a big fan. I think they’re silly.
I love them
they’re totally silly, but I love them.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
ZOMG. MLB Network
Giving out awards based on advanced metrics.
In their Clubhouse Confidential feature.
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Cool beans!
During this last season sometime, I was watching Baseball Tonight on ESPN and they were explaining BABIP and it was the cutest thing I’ve ever seen.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Who was explaining BABIP to them?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
Haha I'm probably falling into sarchasm
But the anchors were explaining it to the viewers
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
I hope you weren't injured
I try to make sure my sarchasms are well padded to cushion the fall…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
:-)
When I’m at work, I have to accept everything I see/hear/read as truth. I’m working with clients who can’t copy and paste.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
Someone from MLB Network
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CHC is pretty sabre-lite
but it’s a nice introduction to have, especially given the channel it airs on.
then harold reynolds starts to talk about pitcher wins and ERA, and you REALLY want CHC to come back on.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
I dunno. They were just talking about
xFIP, FIP, BABIP and WAR. Isn’t that Sabrific?
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FIP is pretty sabr 101
xFIP is an easy 202, WAR and BABIP are pretty advanced though
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Well aren't you mister smartysabrpants ;)
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
I am doing online self-study
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
I'm trying that
but I feel like a brick-and-mortar SABR institution might be in my future, because I keep getting distracted by all the other shiny goodies one can find online.
are you joking, or can you seriously get degrees in that
because…. i’ll transfer right now.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Salaries are getting outrageous
Olney saying Hammels should command $20MM/yr – 5 yrs.
Seriously, things are getting a little out of hand, IMO.
Hammel or Hamels?
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No worries. I just wanted to make sure
because, as much as I love my Jason Hammel, that would be crazy talk
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But you would be getting Hammels
so depending on the quantity, it might not be that unreasonable…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
This is a compelling argument.
Are they identical Hammels?
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All the same model, yes...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
So we could get at least 2 homeruns a year then
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Absurdity
utter and complete absurdity.
Hamels is good, but for $20 million you should be talking about a top 5-10 player in baseball. Hamels is not that guy…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
$5m/win
hamels has posted 2.6, 3.8, 4.4, 3.6, 3.7, 4.9…. that’s pretty fair market rate
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
I am not saying it's not market justifiable
I’m saying as a sport, it’s getting out of hand.
Halladay is at $20 million right now
Granted, it would be more than that now, but in order to believe that $20 million for Hamels is a fair market rate, it would help to see more than 2 pitchers (Sabathia and Santana) making more than that. There are a handful of pitchers better than Hamels, but basically only one of them is making more than that. If this is FMV for Hamels, the market is making another titanic shift…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Hamels would make $15mil AAV on the free agent market, easily
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$15 mil is not $20 mil
/accountanted
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
pitchers don't get what they might truly be worth because of the substantially larger injury risk and different aging path they follow from hitters
that said, 10 of the top 25 salaries in 2011 were paid to pitchers, and they were sabathia, santana, halladay, zambrano, zito, beckett, burnett, oswalt, peavy, and lackey. only one of those is reasonable to project as able to match hamels for future production
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
to put it another way,
you wouldn’t offer that contract to hamels tomorrow?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
No, I wouldn't
By way of explanation, I offer you Santana, Zambrano, Zito, Burnett, Peavy and Lackey…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
It's the Phillies.
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i wonder what their actual possible cap is
we’ve recently learned the yankees literally have no financial limits at all, after all
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
but you know what is hilarious?
a-rod got paid $32 million this year
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
for cole hamels?
how is that out of hand?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
probably not
out of hand in a market rate sense – 20 mill is pretty reasonable. but out of hand in the sense of, yo wtf, really? 20 million friggin dollars to play baseball?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
20 million friggin dollars to play one out of every five games of baseball?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
20 million friggin dollars to be the most influential player one out of every five games of baseball?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Hey Junction Rox can you #accountanted this one - I know percentages work into it but.....
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I think it comes down to something like
is the starting pitcher 5x as influential as a position player in that one game that he does start out of 5? Depending on that influence multiplier, you would work from there to determine the equivalent salary?
Or something like that, maybe….
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
I've seen it as "PA against" and "PA for"
A starter will face around 22-25 batters every five days, and a position player will get around the same amount of PA in that same time frame.
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But then who has more influence in the PA?
Does great pitching beat great hitting, or does great hitting beat great pitching?
That, it seems to me, is kind of the question that baseball has been dealing with since Mordecai Brown had five fingers.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Well, pitchers win the majority of the time
but are also more fragile.
I really, really don’t know. I would spend the money on position players, but you need both.
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This is one of the many things that make baseball so beautiful
That balance between position players and pitchers
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:07 PM MST up reply actions
It just show how healthy the sport is when you have owners throwing this type of money at players
They know enough people will go to the ballpark and watch on TV to support it. Funny there’s no stories about this and yet 8,000 every time one World Series game isn’t the highest rated program of all time.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
OT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
NBC pulling “Community” from it’s midseason schedule.
/cries
KeithOlbermann Keith Olbermann
No no nooooooooooo! RT @sepinwall Community is being pulled from NBC’s mid-season schedule. Working on story now…
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what
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
what is community
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
IMO, funniest show on TV...ymmv...
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:-(
As long as they leave Parks and Rec alone, I’ll be happy – I watched the first few episodes of community, but sort of petered out and then never got caught up. If they ever put it on Netflix i’ll have a marathon
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
I've never been able to get into Parks and Rec.
I’ve tried…same with Arrested Development…
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Now you've stepped in it...
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I'm not bashing either show.
Just wasn’t my cup of tea :)
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Nerdy males between the ages of 25 and 35 everywhere
just died a little. That’s most of the blog FWIW.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
I love AD
best show in the history of television.
The Martha Stewart of processed foods.
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Maybe. Maybe
the early Simpsons…can go with it. Maybe.
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Friends is devastated at your betrayal...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
For P&R
You have to skip the 1st season… it’s way mediocre and they were just trying to pump out an office clone. It really comes into its own in season 2.
Unfortunately, there’s nothing wrong with AD so I can’t give you an excuse – you just can’t be my friend/hive mind buddy anymore.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
That's the meanest thing you've ever said to me :(
My not getting AD does not invalidate all our hivemindness you know :(
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HAha I know I was being a little snarky
I still internet love you
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
whew.....
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Lol as long as you still like Breaking Bad
You don’t have to like anything else – I’m getting my dad into the show, but I don’t know anyone else who likes it!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
Heh. That's funny.
^4
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I feel like Community had bad luck with its time slot.
I liked the episodes I saw, but I watched it online if I even remembered, because I like Big Bang Theory a lot better.
I watch everything off DVR (only sports are live) - don't care when it is on, just want it on.
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I feel like an old person admitting this
but I am currently without a DVR. As my roommate likes to say “Watching TV at our house is like being in the 90s! But we do have a VCR if you want to tape something!”
I don't even own a television.
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New billion dollar idea
Watch any show you want on your computer after its release on TV.
#Iwasn’tthefirsttothinkofthiswasI
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Cable TV and internet is included in the price of my rent.
Otherwise I probably wouldn’t have the TV taking up space at all.
Yup.
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Friend
many people have cancelled their DVRs. Your not old. I might give mine back but that would be a problem for my HD viewing…
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Why would you cancel your DVR?
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Because it adds to my cable bill......?
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Gotcha
Maybe Santa will send you a TiVO
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Plus to view my HDTV in HD I have to have this DVR to do it. :(
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I don't have Cable
OR a DTV converter for my bunny ears… so all I get is the shopping channel.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
AND all the things I certainly don't need
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
They should have moved it when BBT was moved to Thursday
I liked Community better than BBT last season. But BBT is making a good turnaround this season.
But I still give Community the nod because it’s just so different.
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This is terrible.
I can’t believe that Community is getting pulled while Whitney is still on the air.
There’s no justice in this world.
OMG. "Whitney" is just AWFUL.
I mean AWFUL.
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Just really got into it this season and it gets cancelled
dammit
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
It's not cancelled ...yet.
But this doesn’t bode well, unless they plan on moving it to a different night.
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Wait, it might be ok!
@brianstelter: “Community” is definitely NOT cancelled, NYT’s Bill Carter says. NBC says it’ll be off the air for only a brief time.
“Official word from NBC is #Community is “on the bench for a short time” while 30 Rock returns, I guess."
My guess would be that they’re letting 30 Rock come back, then figuring out which new comedy (Whitney vs. Up All Night) does the worst, and inserting Community back into that time slot.
I hope.
Time to tweet Alison Brie to find out what is really going on....
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Somewhere AMart agrees
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Too close to syndication to cancel
Great show, but hardly surprising that it is not successful. One of the least accessible shows on cable TV. Which is probably, in part, it is actually good…
Community isn't on cable tv...
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"Community" is on NBC
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Agreed - if they did i would catch up in about 4 days
and start watching them when they air
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
They have it on Hulu.
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damn that really sucks
Community is my favorite comedy on tv right now.
AFL Report
Tim Wheeler, 3-5, 2B, 2 RBI
Ben Paulsen, 2-4, 3B, RBI
Joe Gardner, 2.0 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 4:0 GO:FO
Casey Weathers, 1.0 IP 1 BB, 1 K
Rob Scahill, 1.0 IP, 2 K
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Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
I never want to see this picture again.
/seethes
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I'm confused!
As in you never want to see Nolan not starting again?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
If that pic is posted, it means Arenado is riding the pine.
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Gotcha
That makes sense. For a second I thought you were angry at me!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
considering my love affair is burning bright for the second straight year....
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Y U NO LIKE THIS PIC?
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Taylor Buchholz cleared waivers and is a free agent.
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lets do it
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Great K rate, good BB rate
Ignore that SSS HR% and we’re talking pretty decent pickup on a minor league contract. He’d be a likely upgrade over Matt Daley, at least.
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This is very true
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JFK
I am in favor of this
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just got my OOTP 12
holy crap its so much more complicated than BBM
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
OOTP is pretty much the ONLY simulation now.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
I'm addicted
I ran through at least three different iterations of the Reds this weekend with mixed results
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Sorry
Whatifsports’s Hardball Dynasty is much better IMO. Much more expensive too as you pay by the season.
Especially for online use.
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You can't do 75% of what you can go in OOTP.
You can customize OOTP to no end. My favorite thing to do is run a Relegation/Promotion league from 1871 on. I started doing that with the new OOTP a few weeks ago.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
Way too much work for me. I don't have the time or inclination to do something like that
I much prefer scouting/managing/GMing a franchise with those over the internet versus recreating the wheel in the “basement of my mothers house”.
"" is defined as I am not smart enough to.
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I don't think you are alone on PurpleRow
Actually I am betting us idiots are in the minority
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Here's an uplifter... and a downer all in one...
“We had interest in both players, but we have other things going on and there is a lot of winter left,” Rockies general manager Dan O’Dowd said. “We are very comfortable with our in-house options.”
New article on DP.
There is a lot of winter left.
I guess the second-to-the-last thing I want to see is a knee-jerk overpay because of panic that Jamey Carroll and Mark Ellis are gone. (The last thing I want to see is the status quo at 2B.)
yeah, it was nice until the last sentence
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 14, 2011 4:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
At least they are holding strong on Tim Wheeler's trade value?
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I'd say a lot of it, actually
Holding firm on Wheeler and Blackmon, Fowler off limits, vote of confidence in the Trio of Suck™
It’s all a PR statement.
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Totally agree
It’s not like he can come out and say, “man we’re in trouble if we can’t make a deal”
You can’t negotiate from a position of weakness like that.
In-house options, eh?
I’m totally cool with EY2. He looks like his dad, and I loved his dad. I wonder if Nelson Liriano’s kid is any good.
Also, with the mini-plan renewal pack, there was a letter from Dick.
They are going to have another conference call before the end of the year.
Question
Do you get a sheet of tickets when you buy the mini-plan? It’s always been one of my dreams to hold that sheet of fancy tickets.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
No.
They’re just normal ticketmaster-type tickets. You saw them last season if you remember.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Right-o I did
I forgot about that! What a shame.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
hahahahahahahah
somebody please tell me this is Blyleven’s real twitter account.
He’s already told Johny Bench to kiss his ass.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 4:47 PM MST reply actions
2012 or 13?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Prospective astros owner Jim crane has agreed to go to AL in 2013. He gets about $50M discount to go. He still needs vote of owners
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
I'm excited about this.
Particularly the possibility of a balanced schedule within the division, which has been discussed.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
Indeed
The prospect of season-long interleague play is… interesting.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 14, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Wouldn't they need to change the length of the season?
In order for every team to have the same number of interleague games, I think the total number of games would have to be a multiple of 15.
No.
The number of interleague games per team will be about the same.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
this, it would just need to be a multiple of 3.
You would have 3, 54-game series.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
That will make for some really long road trips...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 14, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
err, 54 3 game series.
goddamnit.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
With 54 three game series
You would have every team in a league getting at least three interleague series, and nine teams getting four.
You could still have four and two game series mixed in with division play
There are ways to work the schedule even with year round interleague
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
I'm interested to see how they break this up
Do they just have one interleage series going on in April, May, July, August, and September and then pile the other half all in June (where most of the interleage games are now), or do they just always have two or three going on at once.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
interesting interview
also, Criterion of Badlands!!!
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Badlands is brilliant.
As is “The New World”…..
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I thought I was the only one who loved New World!
I freaking loved that movie.
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ZOMG!! LOVE it.
Totally underrated. It was mesmerizing.
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did you see Tree of Life?
It was odd. Really odd. I need to watch it again.
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I have not. I didn't realize it was one of his. I'll have to check it out at some point.
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It came out last year, very limited release
Easily the most personal of his films.
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Brad Pitt right?
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yeah, and Sean Penn (kinda)
Pitt was fabulous in it.
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Hmm.. I'll add to my watch list
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And Days of Heaven wasn't too bad either.
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that movie is absolutely gorgeous
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Have you seen "Heartland"?
not a Malick film but a similar feel to it. Came it out forever ago. Basically about homesteaders.
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Rip Torn? No, I've never seen this one.
I like the sound of it though
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Rip Torn...great name huh?
Not to be confused with Rip Taylor :)
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I was reading this and thinking "how in the world can you people be discussing Malick with no mention of Days of Heaven?"
Just need to be patient when skimming through the comments.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 14, 2011 6:58 PM MST up reply actions
I love all Malick.
So, yeah. Tree of Life is now my favorite.
Used to be Days of Heaven.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
o/t:
COD MW3 owns.
so damn much.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 5:03 PM MST reply actions
im having a lot of fun with it
i get my internet connection wireless through my apt building so I face a lot of frustrating lag sometimes but I still cant stop playing it
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That could be a Tulo quote too.
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I zed most of it
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
The whole thing is just one analogy about player acquisitions.
You just don’t get it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 14, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
The Master has become the student
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
and that student is a Master
/technically anyway
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Sources: #Mariners willing to eat money to trade Chone Figgins. They hope to engage #Reds, #Tigers, #SFGiants.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 PM MST reply actions
Sabean....
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 14, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
"We are very comfortable with our in-house options."
— O’D on second base.
That’s cool Dan. And if the Rockies don’t make some moves to improve significantly, I’ll be very comfortable with my in-house options. Namely, my option to stay in my house and watch games on TV, instead of buying $7 beers from you.
well, technically you buy them from the Monforts
Dan O’Dowd just makes the player acquisitions.
Seriously though, I wantdon’twant Chone Figgins. I want to see if he is magic in Colorado, and I want to see if he’s capable of playing 2B better than the other options.
But not for any kind of real return.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 14, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
I was using the Royal "You" :)
I’d rather have a look at Orlando Hudson than Figgins or other question mark types. No way in hell the Rox pick up that salary ,though.
As for going in house: if it wasn’t already obvious that our plan for third base is “go in house and pray for the best”, I’d be OK with doing it at second. But seriously, at some point and at some position, there has to be an effort to improve this club. Last year wasn’t an aberration — it was a team filled with guys whose fundamentals are poor, have questionable hitting approaches and seem to play with zero passion.
If 2012 is a repeat of 2001, whatever new fans and goodwill the ‘07 and ’09 teams picked up in this region simply dissolve, and we’ll be back where we were in the middle of last decade. Just with more expensive beer.
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