Tuesday Rockpile: GM Meetings Offer Opportunity for O'Dowd
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 7:46 AM MST
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Rockies fans saw another in a line of potential free agent targets sign elsewhere yesterday, as Mark Ellis inked a 2-year, $8.75 million contract with the Dodgers. While that seems a bit rich for his abilities and what the Rockies should spent, it does seem to be market value this offseason for a middle infielder. Omar Infante, Jamey Carroll and Aaron Hill all signed two year deals for comparable money.
Remaining second base free agents include Kelly Johnson, who figures to earn as much if not more money than Ellis, and Clint Barmes, who has a decent shot of signing on for a full-time position at shortstop elsewhere. Few second basemen are on the trade market right now, and with the Tigers getting interested in Martin Prado, a deal there is getting more difficult.
Dan O'Dowd isn't worried.
"We had interest in both players, but we have other things going on and there is a lot of winter left," Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd said. "We are very comfortable with our in-house options." - Renck
Those options are Chris Nelson, Eric Young Jr., Jordan Pacheco, Jonathan Herrera and Thomas Field. I highly doubt O'Dowd is as comfortable with that lot as he suggests, but he is at least comfortable enough not to enter the one-upping of free agent middle infielders.
With the Free Agency Road looking less maneuverable in O'Dowd's vehicle, the trade route is being touted as the road more likely traveled. We might see some action heating up this week with the GM meetings commencing today in Milwaukee. Renck intimates that the Rockies are heavily interested in free agent Grady Sizemore. But then, so are seven other teams, and Sizemore only fits if O'Dowd gets Frank Wren to bite on a Martin Prado deal.
Kemp in Dodgertown
Matt Kemp Contract A Pleasant Surprise - True Blue LA When finalized, Kemp's contract will be for 8 years and $160 million. That's more than Tulowitzki's package last winter, and actually more than any player in National League history, (though the Yankees have three higher on their payroll right now - Jeter/ARod/Teixeira). This comes from a team fighting bankruptcy.
The Los Angeles Dodgers and Matt Kemp have agreed on a huge contract, but why stop there? - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN Ken Rosenthal suggests it is not only wise but feasible for the Dodgers to make a run at Prince Fielder.
More links on MLB labor talks and Rockies prospects after the jump.
New Draft Rules
MLB labor talks -- Sides close to OKing draft tweaks, sources say - ESPN New York Yesterday, Buster Olney wrote that talks were at the "10-yard-line" regarding a restructuring of the draft rules. There would be "slot recommendations" for the first ten rounds. When exceeded the first time, a luxury tax would be instituted. When exceeded a second time, a high (1st or 2nd?) round pick would be lost.
As Mike Axisa pointed out yesterday, this could be trouble if slot recommendations are not increased.
Based on last year's slot numbers, I get a draft spending cap of ~$4.8M using the top ten rounds. 21 teams spent more than that last year.
These are not in stone as the new rules...yet. But if they are, it could seriously damage the talent pool in the minor leagues. One needs to look no further than 2011's Pirates draft. Josh Bell, considered a near-impossible sign as an ultra-talented high school athlete, signed for more than $4.8 million himself...and he was a 2nd rounder. Not only would Bell not be a Pirate, he wouldn't sign to play baseball at all.
Another change is the long necessary edit to free agent/draft pick compensation. It will still exist, but there will be no more first round picks surrendered for the likes of Brian Fuentes anymore. While also not finalized, this alteration is sure to happen.
Prospects
Tough Break Keeps Swanner From Rockies Instructs Jack Etkin has an Insider update on #21 PuRP Will Swanner, who essentially missed the last three weeks of the season in Casper with a torn ulnar collateral ligament in his left thumb as a result of a play at the plate. Swanner had surgery to repair his thumb, but that left him incapable of working with Marv Foley and Jerry Weinstein in an instructional league. A lot of Swanner's value is tied to his position, where he is toolsy but in need of improvement, so the lost time is quite unfortunate.
"Last year I got so much better from working with Marv and Jerry Weinstein," Swanner said. "I consider I got so much growth in those four weeks that I was with them that it just (stinks) that I had to miss out on that."
AFL Scouting: Day 1 | Project Prospect Adam Foster has some complimentary things to say about Tim Wheeler.
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Mentions Rox have interest in Francis.
PLEASE BRING FRANCIS BACK!!!!
rather go after buehrle, danks, wilson
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
He's not a good pitcher anymore
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
Disagree for ROI I would love to have him back as a 5th starter he or Cook at about 2-2.5 million
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I have a hard time believing he wouldn't get hammered at Coors at this point in his career
He’s not going to be an innings eater the Rockies need from a veteran and I’d rather allow our young pitchers to grow at the back of the rotation.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
On a one year deal for less than 3 million I would be okay with either
although I am not crazy about either. If I was Francis I would sign a one year deal with Seattle or San Diego
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I bet Francis throws 180 competitive innings this year and next
Is he 07 Francis, MB, CJ, or JD? no. But I bet he’s competitive.
That is where I am at he has thrown about 290 innings of about 4.00FIP baseball
on a 3-4 million dollar deal he would provide a much better 5-6th starter than the Clay Mortenesen’s of the world
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
We don't need him to be a beast
we need him to pitch 175 innings of competent baseball, and his FIP/xFIP/SIERA all suggest he’s still capable of that.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
Paul Maholm is in the same boat
and I think he’s a little better actually
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Honestly, the more I look at his numbers, the more he seems like the perfect DOD acquisition. A random nobody that can be pretty damn good.
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Maholm has always been decent. He’s had a lot to handle in Pittsburgh. I wouldn’t be upset to see him here.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
In some ways, these were like his notes for the linked article in the RP.
But there are a few more bits of rumor here.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 8:07 AM MST up reply actions
they aren’t going to move Smith and a center fielder like Tim Wheeler or Charlie Blackmon.
More posturing. It’s a high price to pay, but looking more and more likely as the 2B market collapses. I still think we settle for Smith and a mid level prospect at this point (I just hope it’s not Rafael Ortega…)
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*delta cleary jr*
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Rest assured that if Frank Wren picks someone out of our minors it will be a talented player
Getting Pastornicky in the Yunel trade may end up saving that debacle.
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Does Swanner have enough of a bat to play a corner IF spot instead of a catcher?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 8:19 AM MST via mobile reply actions
if he can improve his contact, he has enough power to
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
if he can improve his contact
This is the correct answer for every single Will Swanner question.
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Does Will Swanner have a girlfriend?
Does Will Swanner like McDonald’s?
Does Will Swanner wear boxers or briefs?
Yep.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
Does Will Swanner mind if we call him "Swannie"?
by PioneerSkies on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
He might not mind
He’s a very nice kid
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if he can improve his contact
This is the correct answer for every single Will Swanner Rockies prospect question
by MileHighHawkeye on Nov 15, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
except for Nolan Arenado
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I'm not sure I like where the new draft pick/compensation rules are going
While I agree the supplemental round has gotten too big, the loss of a first round pick for signing Type A free agents is a good way to keep the huge market teams from getting thier hands on all of the talent.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM MST reply actions
But, in reality, it hasn't really worked that way.
Teams like the Red Sox have signed one-year rentals on huge contracts with the intention of letting them walk and getting the draft pick as well.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
But it still works
The Red Sox are not gaining a first round draft pick in your scenario, they are gettting their first round pick a year later and maybe even seeing it turn into a second round pick. The next team who signs the player is still in all likelihood going to be a big market club (and that’s only if the player is still Type A – another BIG IF for them to consider). When the next big market club signs the player, then they lose the first round pick.
The only team in this who chain who is gaining a first round pick is the original team who lost the player they couldn’t afford to keep.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
Look at the compensation picks over the last three years.
Look at the teams that have the most picks.
It isn’t the Royals and Pirates.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
I think they should give two first rounders to the bottom five teams every year
and change how middle relievers are valued, Octavio Dotel should not return the same compensation to the Cardinals this year as Albert Pujols
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Top 5 (six due to tie) Total Compensation Picks:
Rays: 11
Angels: 8
Blue Jays: 7
Rangers: 6
Angels: 6
Red Sox: 6
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Good teams have good players.
Bad teams aren’t losing any first rounders in this system. I don’t think the system should be skewed to punish better teams, that doesn’t make sense.
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I'm not saying that it should be.
I’m just saying that the system does not benefit small market teams. It benefits those who play the system. That’s it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions
Market inefficiency.
If the Blue Jays want to use future draft pick compensation as a major factor in their free agent signings and trades, why shouldn’t they?
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I’m not saying that they shouldn’t. I’m just saying that RIRF is wrong that the system helps the little guys.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
My point was that it keeps the big guys in check, and there is a difference
They can either lose their current talent and gain first round picks, or they can sign new talent and lose first round picks. They can’t have both for the most part and I think that’s a good thing.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
But there are easy ways around that in the current system.
So that the big guys both can have both talent and picks. It is a flawed system if the goal is to keep the big guys in check. The changes are happening to close some of these loopholes.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
Really?
How does allowing teams with the most money to sign the best talent on the free agent market without lossing a first round draft pick help close a loophole?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
Read the thread again about the fact that several of the teams with the most money are actually the ones who come out with the most draft picks. There’s your answer.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
No it's not
Unless they are going to cut off a huge part of the supplemental round as well which as we’ve already discussed is a separate issue. (That’s where the smart teams are beating the system.)
The first round comp seems more about free agents not being too high the idea of potentially losing a little bit of money due to their suitors losing something when they sign.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
That the Rays picked 8 times before the Pirates picked twice
is not helping competitive balance
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Some aspects of it definitely need to be changed
I’m not denying that.
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I think you could fix it by moving the comp picks back 1-2 rounds
or giving the bottom 5 teams an extra 1st rounder, the bottom 5-10 spots an extra second rounder and allow them to trade those extra picks and keep the rest the same.
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Kinda this…there’s gotta be a better way.
Personally, I think pick compensation and losing picks should be separated.
Enforce a soft cap on the amount of Type A free agents you sign…if a team signs two (or three, for bottom 15 teams), they lose their first round pick. It doesn’t go to another team, it’s just lost as a penalty. If a team signs even more than that, they continue to lose picks…compensation picks, etc.
Then just make it two compensation picks…one compensation round after the first round for Type A free agent losses, and another compensation round after round two for Type A and B losses. So teams would still get two picks for Type A losses, they just wouldn’t be as high. Picks are ordered by Elias ranking, same as before.
This would allow a team like the Rockies to sign someone like Johnson and another guy, maybe Cuddyer or even one of those RP that have an A designation (in many cases, why?? But that’s another argument).
Meanwhile, a team like the Yankees couldn’t grab Pujols (I know they’re not, but this is hypothetical) and Wilson without losing their first rounder.
In the current system, 77 additional 2012 picks are theoretically up for grabs before the second round even begins. Under this system, that number drops to 20. I think this is much more in line with what should be considered proper compensation.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I really like the idea of Type A compensation picks in the supplemental round and Type B in a second round compensation. That’s a great idea.
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Maybe playoff teams don't recieve a first round pick for Type
Loss or maybe better a top 5-10 Payroll team wouldn’t. A team like Boston or NYY aren’t losing FA because they can’t afford them, therefor they shouldn’t be compensated.
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I messed up the numbers there. Angels have 8.
So, that is the top five.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
This is total comp picks though which are juiced up due to the supplemental round where decent teams get a return on mediocre Type B players
This is a connected but ultimately a separate story line from the first round comp picks.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
The numbers are the same for first round picks:
The Red Sox have had 5 first round picks in the last 3 years.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
And the Angels have lost a boatload of talent the last three years
and as a result have watched the Texas go right past them in that divsion. I don’t see how this is unfair.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
If the Angels had given Beltre the 5 Million more he was asking over
5-6 years and kept Napoli they would have taken that division Lackey, Fuentes, KRod, Vlad, and Figgins wouldn’t have helped them at all this year.
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I didn't say that it was unfair.
You said:
the loss of a first round pick for signing Type A free agents is a good way to keep the huge market teams from getting thier hands on all of the talent.
I am saying that you are wrong. That’s it. It has nothing to do with keeping huge market teams from gathering talent.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
Specifically, the teams that utilize the system, whether large or small market, are the teams that benefit. It has nothing to do with small-market or large-market.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think anyone has argued against this
When I say all of the talent I’m including both current major league talent and first round draft pick talent. Obviously the teams who use the system the best will benefit the most, but at least this piece of the system allows both teams like the Rays and the Red Sox to get large pieces of the talent instead of just the big guys.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
No they have not
The Red Sox have gotten additional first round picks but they have also lost first round picks because of free agents they have signed.
In 2011 they did have two first round picks but they also lost Victor Matinez and Adrian Beltre which was instrumental in their October absence this season.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry. It was 4,
Look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_MLB_Draft (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_MLB_Draft (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_MLB_Draft (2)
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
I did look it up
And it wasn’t the five you originally claimed – That’s all I said regarding that issue.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not talking about compensation pick totals
I’m addressing forist round picks only here. I consider the supplemental round separate which I"ve already stated above has gotten to big.
What bothers me is that it soundslike they are doing away with the first round pick comp and making the supplemental round even larger.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
I would think a solution would be...
just to tighten up on the “type A” formula. Clearly the Fielder/Pujols/Wilson’reyes- level guys are type A players but the Kelly Johnsons are not. Also put a fix in so that if the Pirates sign a Red Sox free agent, the hit would not be as hard as if the Red Sox signed a Pirates free agent.
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They should also make the player drop one status if they have been traded to their current
team within two years of the FA
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It would help if they measured Type A's and B's by WAR instead of the current system which allows numerous relievers to land their former team draft picks
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Slotting also takes unfairly evens the playing field
Teams should be able to pay well above slot for elite talents if they so desire. It gives a way for teams like the Pirates and Royals to get the players they want (and need) over teams like the White Sox that don’t invest in the draft.
The current system is a really cheap way for teams to quickly upgrade their system.
The Pirates spent $17mil in bonuses this year. The Nationals spent $15mil in bonuses. That sounds like a lot, but it’s still less than any of the elite free agents are going to make this next season. Compared to upgrading through free agency, it’s an absolute bargain.
It’s a really, really bad idea and I hope it doesn’t pass.
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Simple Economics (simply bad economics in this case)
Price controls (whether minimums or maximums) lead to less of (fewer transactions in) the good or service on which the control is imposed.
In this case, it’s high school and college talent from the US and Canada. If slots are imposed more rigorously, expect to see that source diminished as a source of talent. Other sources of talent (free agency, trades, players development from non-US/Canada) should also increase to compensate. This might be good news short-term for teams that develop extensively in non-draft markets like latin america, but long term it seems like it’ll be bad for the game as it’ll diminish a primary source of talent.
I’m completely with you in really really hoping it doesn’t pass. :-)
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Carlos Zambrano? crazy?
Probably. But he’s still a useful pitcher and only 30. If Cubs eat the contract and take a ball boy as trade compensation, why not take a flyer? Maybe his Venezualan homeboys in the Rox clubhouse, plus Helton and Tulo, can calm him down and he relaxes a bit.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 15, 2011 9:00 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm betting he goes back to the Cubs.
It’s kind of Bad Love but I think Z and the Cubs are meant for each other. Not a healthy relationship but the only one for either party.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Question for anyone -
Did we actually offer Ellis arbitration or did we just get the supplemental round pick because the Dodgers signed him before the deadline to offer players arb passed?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 9:02 AM MST reply actions
The Latter
But, it depends on what happens with the CBA and if the changes made go in effect this off-season or next.
Joel Sherman is hearing some Type A and B free agent designations may be eliminated THIS offseason
He specifically names Kelly Johnson as a player who might be stripped of Type A status. The rockies have a protected pick, so they wouldn’t surrender a first rounder anyway, but signing KJ might not involve surrendering any picks at all. Discuss.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 AM MST via mobile reply actions
He's going to make a ton of money somewhere, no matter the compensation.
I would think the Tigers are a prime candidate for his services, but it would be nice to have some leverage with the Braves. Why not contact his agent, see how high his demands are.
(He’s just such an inconsistent player. I’m not sold on giving him a 3+ year deal.)
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I'm not sold on the elimination of FA designation
But there is several people suggesting the possibility now.
I always liked KJ and hoped he would be a rockie. The grad student whom I assisted with thesis research for was a groomsman in KJs wedding.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
MLBTR posted that the Rockies are possibly considering Furcal for 2b. Kind of meh and he’d probably cost a lot…
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Brewers are going after him to play SS.
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yea, we don't have a shot then
which is probably a good thing…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Too many teams still need SS for us to be able to get good SS to move to 2B/3B for us.
You know, unless they’re like 36 and are SS in name only.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
Jamey Carroll went the other way actually
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Which would make Yuniesky Betancourt available...
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’….
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
he's a grinder
who doesn’t give away at bats – unless he does, at which point he friggin meant to.
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I don't think Yuni has ever really fallen into that category of a "scrappy gamer"
I don’t think I’ve ever really heard anything good about him.
Yet he keeps getting MLB jobs.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
I still think we're going to wind up with Chone Figgins somehow
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.340 OBP in 2010!
Can “play” 2B and 3B!
“Has” speed!
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can it be good chone figgins
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
. . . . . .
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come on it's almost my birthday
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
whenever we trade for Chone Figgins?
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whenever we trade for GOOD Chone Figgins
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the Angels retained thay
So, what garbage do we have laying around to use in a trade?
Delta Cleary Jr/Nick Schnaitmann for Chone Figgins!
I would die laughing.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
i would gladly ship off the sorting hat for chone figgins
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
I would gladly ship off the sorting hat for a new baseball cap.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
right before Christmas
12/22
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
....
maybe they’ll use that month+ to find GOOD Chone Figgins
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
I think he's hanging with Santa Claus
maybe they’ll both make their appearance around then…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
Oof I bet you got hosed out of gifts as a kid.
Here Andrew, this is your birthday/Christmas gift
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
surprisingly not
relatives were always super cool
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
That's because relatives are awesome.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 10:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
can be
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
I wonder if DOD likes acquiring Figgins due to him saying that he considers trading Figgins away one of the worst moves of his career.
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oh god
don’t say things like that
don’t
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
There's a lot of evidence to support this nightmare.
The one thing in the way, our one saving grace may be…
……
Jose Lopez.
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Yay, we'll finally get some value out of him!
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
It'd be hard for me to view acquiring Chone as apositive at all
and put a good dent in my support for DOD. Emotions and past regrets should have little to do with these type of decisions. We have EY2 to be our Chone – a fast mediocre hitter with questionable defense…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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.
He’s wrong. It’s only Tuesday. But it’s still a great idea.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
Why? Why would you do this to us?
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Don't hassle the Hoff.
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I'm resisting all temptation
to post an opposing Hasslehoff gif
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why
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Oh, I know which one.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The hamburger eating drunkard Hoff...
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ooh that's a good one
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Because I love you all?
And the Hoff is fantastic?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
Clearly you have a sick notion of love
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would you prefer eric estrada
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
YES!!!
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
YES!!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
What...no shirtless Estrada?
BOO!!!
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I'm pretty sure she is man
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
Wait, what?
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I thought you were serious
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
About what? Erik Estrada
Dude was HOT back in the day……
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Yes
About wanting to see him shirtless
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
A young shirtless Estrada.....?
Hell yeah
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I read this differently
I’m pretty sure she is A man
Then I was like EE is popular with the gays?
/so confused
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Wait, you think I'm a man??
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No just misread the line above
I know you are a womanlady.
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Who you calling a lady :P
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Actually,
we have no proof of this. You could be a 70 year-old man living in Limon.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
They don't have internet in Limon.
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At least I didn't call you Ma'am
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I want to see CHiPs Eric Estrada.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
IAWTC
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you didn't specify.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
love = hate, remember?
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
(I'm not russ)
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Noooo!
Please do not come true. I will be so god damn pissed.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/tigers-interested-in-martin-prado.html
Check out the Hoff above.
Then think peaceful thoughts.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
if the Braves trade him for freaking Delmon Young, what are we supposed to do?
It’s like the Uggla trade. No point in getting pissed at the return because we didn’t have Omar Infante to offer in trade.
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Wow. I remember Young being better for the Tigers
.274/.298/.458 in 40 games. That ain’t great.
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he sucks
I hope them offering Young just makes Smith look like Miguel Cabrera
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Plus,
headcase. Do you really think they want him influencing Heyward?
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
We will gladly take Heyward off their hands.
Yes plz.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
young is terrible
We do have better pieces. Just not rh
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
AND
He is owed somewhere in the neighborhood of $5.3M next season. (Arb eligible – Made $5.3M last season)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
Unless the Braves
know of a suitor they plan on flipping Young too – that’s the only way this is really making sense to me…
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With our luck
It’s us
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
lololololol
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I HATE YOU
I REALLY HATE YOU
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I'm not done yet
Just imagine a lineup with Herrera, D. Young, Giambi, Wigginton, and whatever catcher Tracy like better than Iannetta every getaway day.
/Okay, now proceed with the hate
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
I bet you’re going to write that damn Tulowitski in pen everyday, aren’t you? ARENT YOU
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Naturally
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
purple sharpies ftw
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
why would you put that out in the universe
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
at least theres this...
TUESDAY, 11:27am: The Rockies have examined Sizemore’s medical records and believe he’s worth the risk on a one-year deal, reports Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post. The Rockies expect to watch Sizemore work out in the coming days.
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we wouldn't cut him loose
we value sunk costs too much. Also we can’t just option him to AAA for 3 weeks…
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250? That's it?
Barely enough to torpedo our season.
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Cut him loose or bench him?
If he’s hitting under .200 after the first week, the sorting hat will replace him with Ty Wigginton
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
If the deal is a close to nothing base loaded wth incentives
I actually don’t mind this. I’d guess he won’t amount to much, but if the base cost is low I wouldn’t mind rolling those dice.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
No
Because we all know, come the end of spring training, we would somehow be betting on him to fill a starting spot in the outfield and lead off.
come on, 2012 won't be that much like 2011.
right guys?
….right?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
If you mean the musical chairs of terrible play at 2nd base.
Yes, it is beginning to look like it. Cue the music
by MileHighHawkeye on Nov 15, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Even if this is ture (and I'm not sure it is)
It’s still a low risk option. If he doesn’t perform, then we owe him next to nothing and can put someone else in there.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
man, it's gotten worse huh?
TUESDAY, 10:55am: “There is a trade brewing between the Braves and Tigers centering around Prado for Young,” reports ESPN’s Jim Bowden.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
uh...
uh……
POSTURING
/dies
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Im gonna be so pissed
if Detroit just swoops in last minute and gets Prado for Delmon friggin Young
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If it gets to that point, then just overpay.
He fits so many holes, is cost controlled…OVERPAY
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Seriously,
there is no reason NOT to send Wheeler and Smith. We just have to be willing to sign another OF. As much as we love Wheeler, there isn’t going to be room for him.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
We should include Wheeler
and get a good reliever out of it – then use that reliever to replace Street and trade Street to the Blue Jays. That frees up some money to sign an FA pitcher or something…
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^4
we should seriously be GMs
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For realz homie
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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then after you make that overpay
Dombrowski calls to tell you he never discussed Young or Prado with Wren and you just got played
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 11:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hey Dave, have fun with Delmon Young. Hope Verlander stays healthy!
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oh Danny Boy
No need for your jealous tone. It’s not your fault Delmon is better than any RH OF in your whole organization. There, there.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 11:14 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Talk about a depressing thought
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Oh God.
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that's a trick question,
we don’t have any RH OF
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
psst..
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by Charlie77 on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sadly by WAR/PA Wiggington is twice as valuable as Young
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at this point, I'm willing to overpay just to get a competent player at 2B
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Seconded
If the market consists of basically zero other competent 2B prospects, I’m not sure exactly what constitutes an overpay.
But I still think, even in that scenario, that something like Smith and Wheeler or Blackmon constitutes too much of an overpay. Let the Braves take their pick of the three, and throw in a mid-range (meaning 10-20) PURP? I guess I could sign off on that…
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And then watch..
As Angelys Nina becomes our starting secondbaseman.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
And he is a GOD DAMN
Competent 2B, capable of putting up a wRC+ over 50. God Damn it, just make it happen.
he's also a competent 3b
who’s a high contact, right handed hitter. But no, we have 7 potential 2b’s and Nolan Arenado somewhere in the minors.
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he's a 3+ WAR player at our weakest position
and he’s under team control for two more years!
GAH
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I'll file this under
good ideas that will never happen, right next to the electric car and world peace.
I'm not sure you "get"
the O’Dowd Business Plan
by Shoemaker on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's not for Delmon Young...
This trade would be like the Javier Vazquez trade…the Braves get Melky 2.0 (no, not the KC version) and a stud prospect in the deal.
I will probably have to say this over and over again between TC, here, and MLBTR, but the trade is not about Delmon Young (and, to a much lesser extent because he’s actually good, the proposed Rockies trade is not about Seth Smith, either). It’s about who’s coming with Young (or Smith).
The only reason the Braves trade Prado is to get better long-term. That’s the goal, along with dropping a bit of salary (Young will be coming with money). Otherwise, the Braves will be perfectly content to keep Prado.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
this is a good point
though Young would be for 1 year and Smith would be for 3 – but again, the other prospect matters more
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Prado is moving now. It doesn’t matter what they get. JS is overplaying his hand.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
JS isn’t the GM, so your sources may be a little off. Or way off, because Wren has repeatedly, consistently said he’s only moving Jurrjens or Prado if the team gets better. Without a significant prospect, neither Smith nor Young accomplish that.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Detroit doesn't have the greatest farm system though
Castellanos is a legit 3B prospect, but after him the cupboard is fairly barren.
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That would be the guy.
I’m well aware the Braves are shooting high. Myers for Jurrjens, Wheeler or Castellanos for Prado. That’s a steep price.
But of any of the teams we’re discussing, which is in the best position if they just stand pat?? Very likely the Braves. There would be a parade in Atlanta if Prado is still in a Braves uniform on Opening Day.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
You don’t push this hard on a player and pull back. Prado is gone. As is Smith.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Michael Young
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i thought it was ryan?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
The story goes...
that MY requested a trade, which he had to do in some respects because of his limited no-trade clause. The Rangers then convinced him to stay, and the trade died. More or less.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
The Braves aren't pushing...
Who’s the guy with the sources in the Rockies deal? Renck.
Who’s the guy with the sources in the Tigers deal? Morosi, who has always been closely affiliated with the Tigers.
AJC will retweet their articles and answer some questions, but the Braves have been decidely silent on the issue.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
If by silence you mean talking with at least two teams.
Then absolute dead silence.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
I imagine the Braves are going to talk with 29 other teams this week. It’s the GM meetings, after all.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
well now let's not get ahead of ourselves
GMs are very cliquish
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Delusional how??
The Braves don’t have to move Prado. If they can make the team better by doing so, they will.
There’s a million reasons for Atlanta to keep him – he’s a fan favorite, he’s affordable, he’s versatile, his only bad year is linked to a significant injury that wasn’t baseball-related.
What are the reasons for moving him?? To make the team better.
Don’t fault me for using logic in my arguments.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
you want a hand up out of the chasm?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
You’re delusional in thinking that the talks about Prado with the Rockies and Tigers are just idle talk at the GM meetings which is what you are suggesting here.
I imagine the Braves are going to talk with 29 other teams this week. It’s the GM meetings, after all.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
And that the Braves aren't actually trying to trade Prado.
which is what you are suggesting here:
The Braves aren’t pushing…
Who’s the guy with the sources in the Rockies deal? Renck
The Braves are trying to trade Prado. They are in public talks to trade him. And they will most likely have to trade him because of it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
You do realize that probably 75% of the players involved in trade rumors during the offseason don’t actually get traded, right??
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
You do realize that you are pulling that number out of your butt, right?
Show me a list of players who were involved in trade talks with two teams with named pieces in return from last year. Then show me how 75% of them were not traded.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Jose Reyes was in rumors with several teams last year and at the deadline. Didn’t move.
Chone Figgins. Derek Lowe. Kenshin Kawakami. B.J. Upton. Justin Upton. Stephen Drew. Aramis Ramirez. Kosuke Fukudome (moved this deadline, not last offseason). A.J. Burnett. Colby Rasmus. Paul Konerko.
I can go on.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
No. Sorry.
There were never multiple tens with named pieces for 3/4 of those guys. It was speculation.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Multiple teams not tens.
Speculation and actually dealing are quite different. Once teams start dealing, it is rare that the player ends up staying around.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Colby Rasmus
Might want to reconsider this name…
The rest are all either bad contracts, or players at the end of their contract. None are good comps except for maybe BJ Upton.
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The contracts are why there was speculation. But I can’t remember seeing multiple teams with listed pieces coming back for any of those guys except Konerko.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
Rasmus was big in trades last offseason. So was the Justin Upton sweepstakes. Not sure how people don’t remember that…
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
I thought you were including him in the
“names at the deadline that weren’t moved”
He was on the block for quite some time.
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Show me evidence of talks with two teams in which the teams trading with Arizona had named pieces to be sent back. Go to Google. Do it. Just saying things doesn’t mean anything to me. I want evidence that 3/4 of the guys that you listed were in serious talks yet didn’t move.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Back in November when the Diamondbacks were shopping Justin Upton, it was rumored that they would likely request Daniel Bard and Jacoby Ellsbury from the Red Sox in a deal. Today, Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic writes that it looks like a good no-deal for Arizona.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/quick-hits-reyes-red-sox.html
The Rockies have contacted the Diamondbacks and White Sox to inquire on Justin Upton and Gavin Floyd, respectively, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post. Both teams are said to be listening to offers for their respective players.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/rockies-inquire-on-justin-upton-gavin-floyd.html
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Oh, so I was right. Thanks for the help.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
I suggest you get acquainted with the search feature then, sir.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
I said above:
Show me a list of players who were involved in trade talks with two teams with named pieces in return from last year. Then show me how 75% of them were not traded.
You replied:
Chone Figgins. Derek Lowe. Kenshin Kawakami. B.J. Upton. Justin Upton. Stephen Drew. Aramis Ramirez. Kosuke Fukudome (moved this deadline, not last offseason). A.J. Burnett. Colby Rasmus. Paul Konerko.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Once again, that’s your stipulation, not mine.
I suppose I could have not answered you, which is probably the wise move at this point because you’re being so pig-headed.
But I replied with a list of names that all had reported interest from multiple teams, which was my stipulation.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
The response implies acceptance of the criteria.
You never set any stipulations except that they are “involved in trade rumors.” I set the “two team” stipulation. My point was that the Prado situation is more than just a rumor. Thus, I made a specific request to demonstrate the point that once players get this far in talks, it is rare that they are not traded.
You responded to my request. I challenged your response as being incorrect. Now you are backing down by saying that my request was not what you were responding to.
Regardless, the point is still that once teams get this far in talks, the player usually ends up traded, though not always.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, except for all the times they don’t, which is pretty often.
How far exactly is “this far?” Reports indicate that the Braves weren’t in on Young at all. That rumor goes no farther than anything I linked.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
I said what “this far” is.
Two teams with named pieces going back to the trading team. That’s why I set that criteria.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
But that didn’t happen in the case with the Tigers, so Prado doesn’t fit your own criteria.
-C
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Apparently not.
But if you are going to argue in hindsight then you would be arguing dishonestly.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Rockies and the Red Sox aren’t the same organization.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
There are not NAMED pieces coming back.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Which is fine, because I didn’t say that there were named pieces. I said they had discussions with several teams.
Way to add a requirement that I in no way even alluded to.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
For example,
I was arguing with RIRF earlier that the draft compensation system doesn’t really benefit small market teams.
Then, I went to find data (ie. how many compensation picks large market teams got) to back up my argument. I didn’t just argue with what I perceived as logic or knowledge but actual facts.
RIRF still didn’t buy my argument, but at least I had some data to show that I gave this some though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
I can link all day long...
Or you can figure out how to use MLBTR’s search function. It’s not hard, promise.
I will retract Konerko, though. He was a FA last offseason. My apologies.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
You are the one making the argument. The burden of proof is on you. Without proof, you’re statement is meaningless. You need to link for 3/4 of the guys you listed since that was your contention.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Ballpark figure, admittedly. But you and everyone else was well aware of that when the comment was made.
I’m not arguing dishonestly here.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I have no idea what you mean by this. What is comes down to is that I said:
The Braves are trying to trade Prado. They are in public talks to trade him. And they will most likely have to trade him because of it.
You disagree with these points. I’m not sure how you can disagree with them. You have provided no reasoning to disagree with them except that the sources have been primarily the Tigers and Rockies beat reporters, though Muzia linked to a Braves beat reporter.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
I strongly disagree with the last point. They don’t have to trade him.
My justification?? Wren comments like this:
“If we can make a baseball deal to make our team better, we’ll trade anyone on our roster.”
That was in direct reply to questions concerning trading Jurrjens and Prado.
What you won’t find is a quote anywhere with Wren saying that he will trade Prado. And he won’t make that comment, because he doesn’t have to trade Prado.
I really can’t make it any clearer than that.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
You follow the Rockies, right?
Do you remember DOD’s “Hershel Walker trade” comments?
This is Wren saying about the same thing.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Which means he’s not desperate to deal him…amirite??
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
No. They dealt Ubaldo, and got to a point where they had to deal him.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
not only directed at you here
but lets face it, trying to discuss the percentage of deals that happen after teams are reportedly interested in making one is a fools game. We can all cherry pick times when a player was or wasn’t moved.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I agree wholeheartedly.
That’s why I challenged the percentage that was used up the thread, which is what led to this.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
You took me literally, I spoke figuratively.
Trades don’t happen all the time. Hate to break that news to you.
-C
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I didn’t say that trades happen all the time. The constant mischaracterization of what I wrote bothers me. It is right here above, on the thread.
I said that when teams get to a certain point, they are more likely to trade a player than to keep him. That’s it. There has been no argument to refute that point.
There appears to be evidence that that point has not been reached with Prado, but that does;t change the point.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
meh, it’s kind of a nonsense thing to challenge.
Overall, I think the Braves will trade Prado and I think it could be good for them but I agree with cthabeerman that they don’t need to trade him really and as such are not aggressively shopping him.
I think the whole ‘They don’t need to trade him so they have more leverage’ side is getting a bit overstated but ultimately I think that that sentiment reflects reality moreso than an alternative…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Finally,
you’re also slightly delusional if you don’t think that JS isn’t running the show. He was promoted to President because he was a great GM. His long-time assistant was made GM.
Do you think that when they promoted JS they told him that he could be President but he couldn’t be involved with the GM anymore? That’s just silly.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Since I’ve been paying incredibly close attention to the team for the past 10 to 15 years, I can say without a doubt in my mind that Wren is running this show. Schuerholz is still around, sure, but his is an advisory role.
You can ask literally any member of the Atlanta media and they will say the same thing. Wren was hand-picked by Schuerholz to be his successor, and he’s done a very good job in that capacity.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Renck is pretty solid isn't a pot stirrer ala the NY Media
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I wasn’t saying he was.
What I am saying is that all these reports are coming from media that follow teams that are going after Prado. The Braves are listening. That doesn’t mean a deal is imminent.
The Braves are shopping Prado much like Ubaldo was shopped last year.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Yes.
They let the league know that they were going to trade him. Then they did.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Who once it broke that he was being shopped was as good as gone
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
Exactamundo.
For almost all of the time he was rumoured to be leaving, I refused to believe it. Then the romours got heavier and…there went U-ball. There’s no guarantee the Prado goes but the old adage, “Where there’s smoke…” really does apply in MLB trades.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Regardless of where the reports are coming from
there’s no doubt that Prado knows the Braves are actively involved in talks with multiple teams to move him.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
I would assume 80-90% of the players in the league are aware that they could be moved at any time.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
You don't think this is a bit different?
Prado and Jurrjens are on the market and expect to be moved this offseason.
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There's the link I was looking for
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
And here's the link I was looking for...
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
RT @mlbbowman: Small minority of Wren’s staff has unsuccessfully pushed for Young last 2 yrs. Nothing changed. Won’t be a Prado-Young deal
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t see money being an actual reason for moving him.
Who can the Braves buy that actually helps out?? Willingham, maybe Beltran??
There aren’t many suitors in FA that the Braves would be interested in. None of the players linked in trades thus far have been monetary concerns.
Unless there’s a much bigger deal going on behind the scenes, the money just isn’t that big of a deal. The Braves will have a rotation that costs less than $11MM if they trade Jurrjens.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
21 when you count the part of the Lowe deal they are on the hook for
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
That’s true. But it’s now a one-time cost. The Braves 2013 rotation will cost maybe $15MM, at the very most. Depends on Hanson’s arbitration cost.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
True which means they ought to make a run at
Beltran or else they are just screwing their fans
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
I disagree...
And most savvy Braves fans would as well.
Beltran could be great, could get injured.
If the Braves are going to trade away a major part of their lineup, they’re going to have the future in mind.
Don’t get me wrong, the Braves will add a veteran here and there, but look at their most recent deals sending away a major piece. Vazquez brought Vizcaino. Renteria got Jurrjens. Teixeira got Kotchman (who flopped, obviously). Heck, Escobar got Pastornicky…
The Braves have a well-established history of moving their valuable cogs for prospects rather than trading MLB guys for MLB guys. That’s how the team operates, and will continue to operate.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
That said...
They can do both. Signing Beltran certainly won’t stop them from trading Prado for a prospect, because the prospect isn’t getting paid.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Well, that depends, what kind of prospects are youguys interested in right now?
Though I forewarn you, anyone in our top 4 PURPS won’t be moving in a deal for Prado. Those are all B+/A prospects that Prado just isn’t worth right now.
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Not the same thing. They traded a non-starter and a bullpen arm for Uggla.
Then signed him long-term.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
But you gotta look at the context of those deals
Vazquez got Vizcaino back because he pitched like a Cy Young candidate the previous year. Renteria at the time was one of the best shortstops of the game at the time. You guys undersold on Teixeira and Escobar and lucked out Pastornicky. Prado is an excellent hitter, but you guys have a left field need to address, and his value has been decreased by his shitty 2011 season. If the Rockies were to offer like Smith and low level guys like Adames and/or Dickerson (other guys could work), it would work well in your favor. You get your replacement in Smith who’s a better fit for your lineup right now, and guys who might contribute in the future as C+ prospects. We have tons of those right now.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
In what way does trading an everyday player that can play at four positions for a platoon player and a bunch of maybes make sense??
-C
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by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
The Braves have a well-established history of moving their valuable cogs for prospects rather than trading MLB guys for MLB guys. That’s how the team operates, and will continue to operate.
But now the prospects are “a bunch of maybes”? You can’t have this both ways. If you want to say the Braves want prospects, you are probably correct. But you then cannot turn around and denigrate the value of prospects in a deal as “a bunch of maybes”. Either the Braves want prospects or they don’t. If they don’t, don’t make the deal. If they do, then don’t pretend the prospects in the deal don’t have value just so you can argue in favor of a ridiculous return like an MLB player and a top 5 prospect from the Rockies organization.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not saying they don’t have value. However, when you start looking at C+ prospects, that’s not going to be enough.
C+ prospects, like it or not, are a bunch of maybes. Some turn out great. Some don’t make it to AAA. I’m not disparaging the Rockies system. That’s every system.
If the Braves want someone, say Wheeler, they’re going to get Wheeler. If not, the deal simply won’t get done.
It’s not like the Braves are going to say, “We want Wheeler,” the Rockies counter with prospects with lower floors/ceilings, and the Braves will just roll over to get the deal done.
-C
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And if the Rockies insist on Heyward being added
the Braves will do it, or the deal won’t get done.
Except that the Rockies aren’t going to be silly if they want the deal to actually happen, nor are the Braves. Because as much as you don’t want to admit it, the Braves are actively trying to move Prado for somebody else. Which implies that standing pat with Prado is not their preference. And if their preference is to add other players, they aren’t going to set the price at a point that they prevent it from happening.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
They will set their price, and that will be it. If their price prevents it from happening, it won’t happen.
They’ll continue to listen, and they’ll continue to decline.
Given past history, that’s how it will go. Want evidence??
Kawakami played AA last season because Wren couldn’t get $3MM picked up by anyone except a Japanese team. That’s right, he paid a guy $7MM to play for the Mississippi Braves. That was the price, and that was KK’s punishment for refusing the trade to Japan.
Wren refused to give up any of the big four pitching prospects for Bourn, and got Bourn without giving up any of the four.
Make no mistake, Wren can be a hard-headed so and so. And he will, because he knows he’s dealing from a position of power.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Then I hope he enjoys the Matt Diaz experience in LF...
or running an IF out there on a regular basis.
Wren’s position here isn’t quite as iron clad as you want to believe. There is a reason he started talking to teams about Prado. He knows he needs to upgrade LF, and Prado is an expendable piece with value.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
Really?
You traded Yunel Escobar for a year and a half of a shortstop that was bound to regress, a C+ prospect shortstop in Pastornicky (who has improved a lot since then), and a left handed reliever prospect who’s upside is a set up man. They wanted to move him. Wren wants to move Prado for a starting left fielder. The Rockies are willing to give up Smith + low level prospects, but not Smith + Wheeler, which kills the reason we do this deal (trade to fill a hole with creating a hole). If we traded you guys 3 years of Smith and Adames (an equivalent to Pastornicky here), that’s running circles around the Escobar deal, which the Braves set out to move. The Braves are setting out to deal Prado in the same way, that he’s probably going to be gone no matter what because he doesn’t fit the team anymore, except Prado is not in the doghouse. It’s for a different reason this time (to fill a hole the Braves have),and the Rockies want to trade Smith for the same reason. Why can’t a lower level prospect equal this deal out? (And personally, I think 3 years of Smith equals 2 years of Prado, but I’m willing to make a concession here)
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
mistake
trade to fill a hole without creating a hole
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
Yunel was traded for repeated confrontations with the organization, its managers, coaches, and players.
Martin Prado, on the other hand, is perhaps one of the best human beings on the team. In every facet of the game, on and off the field, he is an exemplary player.
Their situations are starkly different. Night and day.
-C
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Oh absolutely
I don’t think you should trade Prado, either. Then again (Kelly Johnson)….
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Yep. JS just sits back now and lets everything happen.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
THIS DOESN'T SOUND FAMILIAR AT ALL
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Our only hope is that Jim Bowden is an idiot.
Because he is.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Atlanta, we will throw in PROVEN CLOSER, Huston Street.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's so frustrating
The Rockies have the better offer on the table in Smith as Young has a negative career bWAR (and a barely positive career fWAR) is more expensive this season, and is under control for a shorter amount of time.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
Is it too late to teach Smith to swing right-handed?
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Fowler learned left-handed pretty quick...
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when did frank wren start doing drugs?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Hah.
I will be pissed if O’Dowd lets Prado go to the Tigers. The second base market is THIN. Gotta make a move here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Daniel Murphy is mentioned on MLBTR as being available
Sort of Prado-lite and wouldn’t cost nearly as much
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Wish list: I want Willingham, Sizemore, Johnson, Oswalt, Prado, Buehrle, etc.
Dont want – figgington, francis, etc.
"Why is the hockey court so small"...... "yeawha?"
O’dowd would probably sign a pony for $20M rather than Prado
"Why is the hockey court so small"...... "yeawha?"
by avsfanatic33 on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Please.
The only people we sign for over $5mil are our own cost-controlled players. Don’t you know anything?
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um...we did sign a pony last offseason
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
No that was a Li'l Pony....
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He's still a damn pony!
So, everyone, quit asking for another pony!
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
No,
O’dowd would sign a donkey with three legs and no ears for 10 bucks and call it a pony.
by mkorpal on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
dude that emaciated beast has upside, OK?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Serious bounce-back potential!
by Shoemaker on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
he's a very, very special donkey
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
wait
we signed Adam Dunn?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Hafner
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
If a Wigginton cost $8 million
Then pony is gonna be at least $20 million
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Whole team can use pony ….. only Tracy gets to use (and abuse) Prado. $20M = bargain
by MileHighHawkeye on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Only if it's a Unicorn!
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you don't want a pony?
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i hate anyone who ever had a pony
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Braves fans on Twitter are freaking out
over the possibility that the Braves would trade Prado for Young.
Seth Smith is looking pretty good now isn't he?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
If Prado goes to Detroit for Young
Can I blame Jim Tracy?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
you can ALWAYS blame jim tracy.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
In fact, it's preferred.
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Well he always looks good....
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HAHA
Never change cat
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Oh come on, it was on a tee!
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He looks fine...
But he looks no better than before.
The Braves aren’t trading Prado for a MLB player. They’re trading him for a prospect. That’s what they want.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
I think they are going to be disappointed
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
If keeping Martin Prado is a disappointment, I’ll gladly be disappointed.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
check out Tigers fans
I bet it’s a party
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I have this strange feeling that we’ll only end up with Chone Figgins (Lopez v.2) and some other losers.
Well,
no matter what, Seth Smith will not be back for 2012. That’s been clear since June or July.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
and Sizemore will be deemed to expensive
after he wants a club option for 2013
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I’m strangely excited with the idea of getting Sizemore. I just hope he can stay healthy.
by DesertTurtle on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
He doesn't
He wants a one year deal to increase his value
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
3) Coors Field.
If he wants to rebuild value, there is no better place to sign a strict one-year contract.
I don’t want Sizemore, but there’s a pretty great chance he ends up in Denver.
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You even don't want him on a low base/high incentive deal?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
bidding against 5-8 other teams? It won’t be as cheap as I like.
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he may forgo a couple bills if he thinks Colorado would help him enough
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
But wouldn’t his healthy, bounce back year in Colorado be attributed to the COORS-effect, thus diminishing his value. :-)
by MileHighHawkeye on Nov 15, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
that only works for Rockies players! He'd just be a rental.
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So here some good news from Renck..YMMV :P
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
A backburner issue, but #Rockies remain interested in bringing back left-handed reliever J.C. Romero. Have had talks.
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/thud
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
You okay man?
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Because having LHP Matt Reynolds and Rex Brothers in the bullpen isn't enough for JT to play his stupid-ass MATCHUPS with
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 11:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It could be at the expense of Matt Reynolds or at the expense of Rex Brothers being moved entirely into a setup role.
I actually think signing Romero would make it more difficult for Tracy’s matchups; he wouldn’t have to always make Matt Reynolds pitch to every lefty.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
I guess we have to draw it in giant purple crayon for our manager?
Reynolds IS NOT A LEFTY SPECIALIST!!
Lefties OPS’d 90 points higher against him than righties did
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 11:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you
I was just about to post this, but in this case, I would just as soon not be the messenger…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
He's still pretty good against lefties
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I like him as a big rebound candidate…he has been through a lot the last 2 years. He was pretty darn goood and still is a good LH option.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
OT: It's my birthday to day
I’m celebrating by dog sitting my neighbors cute little beagle.
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by SDcat09 on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Happy Birthday cat
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
I am as surprised as you are...
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Happy Birfday cat.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Does he chase Cats?
I had a beagle growing up. He was an awesome dog, if you didn’t mind the barking and the tendency to run for the hills every time a door or gate was left open to 0.3 seconds…
Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAT!!!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
She's very sweet.
She’s staying with me because feel bad for her being alone all day long.(that’s my story and I’m sticking to it, it has nothing to do with my laziness to walk to their apt three times a day.) .However, we are having issues with her kitchen privileges..:)
She spent about an hour sniffing every nook and cranny of my apt.
And thanks everyone for the well wishes!
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We have a keeshond who is a kitchen counter surfer
If you leave a lightweight chair or stepstool anywhere near the kitchen, he will physically push it across the kitchen floor to get access to the counter. It’s so damn funny to watch, it’s hard to get mad at him.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 15, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
My dog pulls his bed out into the middle of the living room so he can lay in it and watch tv . . . I'm not kidding.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
That's hilarious
But he still has to prefer MLB Network over ESPN, before I will declare him a smart dog. :)
by Northsider1964 on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Well, he hasn't figure out how to work the remote yet so I'm not sure what he would prefer. But I don't think he's ever seen ESPN.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Happy birthday cat! :)
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
Don't worry, we'll have a Chone Figgins signing to celebrate by the end of the day!
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Heh. Thanks.
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Happy Bday SDcat09
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LOL. That's so formal :) Thanks!
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I should also be delighted to join dsmba et al in offering you the most heartfelt felicitations...
on this, most auspicious of days. May you reap a cornucopia of glad tidings, trinkets, libations, and the like as you cheerfully celebrate another year in the life.
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
by Since1993 on Nov 15, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Why thank you kind sir/madam
I will probably be libationious this weekend :)
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Oh yeah... well
There once was a girl named Cat
Who was a serious Rockies fan and all that
She loved her some HAR
But what the hell was WAR
I wish you a happy birthday SDcat
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by dsmba on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that's a poem.
I’m not going to compete with a poem.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
How about a haiku?
Happy birthday Cat
I hope it is wonderful
now go walk the dog
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
Was supposed to be a limerick
have been on a kick lately corresponding only in limericks with a couple friends. G-d I need a new job.
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Hey I know what WAR is!! Boo!!
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But thank you anyway! ")
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Well, I'd like a present with high HAR
and low ERA :)
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Or good FIP or something..
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I don't think we can get Verlander.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Dammit..:(
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Mazeltoff...
Take that cute beagle for a walk and be amazed by all the disguting things it can find! Happy B’ day Cat.
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Happy Birthday!!
here ya go…
Have some Swiss Rolls.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 15, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh YUM!!!!! thanks!!!
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I totally remember this too lol
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any thoughts on oswalt?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
He's a good pitcher :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
touche salesman
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
But yeah
I don’t think there’s any way we get him. Sombody else will overpay big time.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
seems like overpaying will be the theme of the 2011-2012 offseason
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
It just gets more absurd every year
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Anybody for a flyer on Joe Saunders?
Good for 200 innings a year – some of them good.
Once…twice…hellooooo?
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A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
might as well get Maholm or Francis at that point…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I like Maholm. Obviously better to get Buhrle or Danks...
but we’re the Colorado Rockies.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
better than Buhrle or Danks
Maholm? I don’t think so my friend
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
No...
Didn’t say that. Said I want Buhrle/Danks more but it’s more realistic to think we’ll get Maholm. And I actually like the guy so, I’m good(ish) with that.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
ohhh my bad
misread it. Maholm is gong show to be honest. He would be the 4th or 5th starter on this team. I think Nicasio is far better than Maholm and Nicasio has what 5 starts?
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah as a fourth or fifth starter...
I’m chuffed by Nicasio’s progress but it’s really early to write his name in pen into the rotation.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
Who is this team ace?
Chacin? JDLR or Pomeranz? Or have they established one?
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
HAHAHA
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
He had a pretty good season
Still, everything about it screams regression. That HR/FB% is ugggggly.
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Doesn't Maholm
throw like an 88 MPH fastball? No thanks… that’s tee ball at Coors
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
hey, it worked for Francis!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
But Francis has a sweet hook
Maholm has an okay hook
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
Francis' muscle has always been the changeup
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
don't argue with the career 52% GB rate
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what's his HR %?
Prob not good
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
7.5%
or almost twice as good as Joe Saunders with a similar strand rate.
Maholm would be a decent backend starter for us. Much better option that Millwood, etc
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Beat me to it.
not bad.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
agreed
I guess i just have a personal disgust for the guy for what he did to my fantasy team 2 years ago when i had him in a spot start against teh Royals (Before Hosmer, Cabrerra and Francour were good) and he gave up like 10 runs in 2 innings and lost me a chance to win some nice coin. haha
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
I think starting any starters on the pirates for your fantasy team is a bad idea. They taunt you with two good starts and you’re like what the hell, and then they explode for the one start you have them.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
kevin correia do that to you?
and I agree… honestly if I wouldn’t have even started him I would have lost which really sucks cuz the negative points killed me but its all good… you live and learn. I figured a start against a Royals team that had like 40 wins was safe but nope he got blown up and so did my chances
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
He won’t hold up at coors… Bad idea.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 5:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
and why is that?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Maholm doesn't have a real "sinker".
he’s not a sinker baller. At Coors, the movement he’s getting to get that groundball is going to decrease, resulting in more line drives (obviously). He’s not a strikeout pitcher. He gives up HRs at a decent enough rate, which will only increase here.
I mean, just look at his career numbers at Coors. They’re not very good.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
I get what you’re saying though I think you’re reading too much into the data. Also, I personally put no stock in a guy’s performance at Coors unless he were to have a really large sample – which none of these guys have…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
40 innings at one specific ballpark isn't very small though..
It’s kind of a “feel” thing for me. I don’t think soft-throwing southpaws are a good fit here, unless the stuff is elite.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions
Jeff Francis is sad...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
Francis = great changeup.
Maholm relies on a “sinking” 87-89mph fastball more than anything else. And that sink isn’t “heavy” like a 2008 Aaron Cook sinker.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:27 PM MST up reply actions
It's not
but you’re also talking about isolated incidents over several seasons when the guy was the ‘visiting’ pitcher – which will inflate his stats somewhat. Just out of curiosity, what are his numbers at Coors?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The one thing I wanted to see was his GO/FO ratio at Coors..
But it doesn’t show it :(
1-7, 7.13 ERA with a ridiculous .440+ BABIP. Tells you he’s getting hit pretty hard here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
could also mean he’s been getting unlucky ;-)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Could.
Obviously, I can’t tell without looking at any more statistics.
But I’m telling ya, that sinker man…
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
based on what?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Yes he will. Good idea.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
If we didn't sign any pitchers
Who CCR doesn’t think will hold up at coors, we would not have any pitchers.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
hahahaha.
Almost true. I like a few though :P
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
He won't eat the innings we need eaten
Bad back 3 years in a row.
If both Oswalt & Helton are on the same team, the team chiropractor becomes an MVP candidate.
I love Oswalt, but he’ll cost too much for the innings we’d get from him. He would be a nice fill-in until JDLR returns, but that would be a very expensive fill-in.
What about a Street for Murphy trade to the mets with other pieces to fill it out
Street likely builds value pitching at Citi Field and Alderson understands the trade value of closers.
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i doubt that happens
they need murphy more than they need a closer
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
They are shopping him, so maybe we could work out a salary dump for Bay with them picking up
part of 2013 as well. I am not a huge Jason Bay fan but he did have a 900 OPS from 04-10 and had a .918 OPS against LHP in 2011
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:(
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I know I know but Bay might not make a bad 1B
it worked with Dunn and Morse and Bay is tall enough
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why would we make that move now?
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because he is a decent bounceback candidate if they pick up most of the contract
and it is only through 2013 so Bay basically becomes the Hammerlite
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It would take more than Street.
I like it though. . .
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Well, now that you threw Pelfrey in there.
It’ll take more than Street/Smith.
We need to put value in the trades. Not just names that we don’t need and are trying to trade.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Mets will want pitching.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Apropos of nothing, but...
you gotta feel bad for Todd Helton, don’t ya? He busts his ass to get healthy, puts together a wonderful season and sees his team go from potential annual contender to crumbseekers. Imagine how he must feel every time he hears about “internal options” and getting outbid for utility guys.
He’s got one, maybe two years left and it’s pretty clear his real chance for a ring is to be moved somewhere. For me, I’m torn. I want to see him play his entire career with the Rox but, damn, I’d love to see him holding a World Series Trophy.
He'll probably yawn and go back to hunting
/assuming he’s getting this news while hunting to begin with
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so, about that Ellis contract
Mark Ellis will earn $2.5MM in 2012 and $5.25 MM in 2013. Option for 2014 is for $5.75 MM; buyout is $1 MM.
No way we come even close on any of that, and nor should we.
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LOL-worthy.
That’s….stupid.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
Yikes a two league minimum players worth of buyout for a 37 YO guy who hit .240 this year?
"oh! well that’s what I get for not reading anything" vivaelpujols
AND AN OPTION
WITH A BUYOUT
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It must have been
his career-low .288 OBP in 2011 that impressed them.
Or maybe his .346 SLG.
Someone should challenge this signing in bankruptcy court as a violation of the “business judgement rule.”
Verlander wins the CYA.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111115&content_id=25976344&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Matt Moore was robbed.
James Shields should have won
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
this is funny
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
This seems appropriate to me.
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I will continue with the Malholm.
He will be ours.
They do have interest in Paul Maholm, Jeff Francis, and J.C. Romero, though, according to Renck, after bigger free agent targets such as Grady Sizemore and Roy Oswalt.
I like Maholm.
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Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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Same.
He’s probably my preferred “back of rotation” starter right now, depending on the price.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 1:36 PM MST reply actions
Wow.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
huh?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
oh oh oh
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
Winning!
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
That is G-dawful
My 12 year old newphew just read it and is pissed someone in the comments section said
Are you f-ing serious with that post?
What are you guys, 12 years old? No wonder no one posts here.
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And now he thinks I am an idiot cause
newpew
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I can't spell nephew
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I just read it as pew pew pew
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks just trying to make myself look like and idiot
to lighten-up this thread
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we need more pictures of baby platypi
omigod look what I just happened to have:
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG cutest ugliest things ever.
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IDK they look kind of pissed
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AHHHHHHHHHH
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
PERRR-RRYY!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
lol
Gotta love Phineas and Ferb!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
Doo be doo be doo bah
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
They look like baby Ty Wigginton's dreaming about coming to the plate with men in scoring position.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
.
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by Muzia on Nov 15, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec for originality
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I guess I don’t get the part about the frog vomiting sunglasses onto a dog.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
huh.
i guess I’ll go be old somewheres else.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
get out of here old person
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
almost time to go to red lobster.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
don't forget to stop off at the five and dime first
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
i got my first real six string there.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
You're bleeding on your keyboard
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
heh heh...
sixty nine.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
people who were old enough
to have a band with some guys from school are.
even if you did try real hard.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
Those guys are much much older than Bryan Adams, actually
unless it was he and some guys from elementary school who had that guitar playing, finger bleeding, hard rocking band…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
well, in elementary school their delicate fingers would have a hard time developing a nice callus
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
They are certainly the most childish of the NL West blogs
No wonder I never go over there.
But if they’re happy…
/shrug
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What gets me is their rationale is "the BBWAA votes like idiots"
“Therefore, we voted like idiots. Nobody take us seriously.”
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
MCC is proud of their community-first approach.
PR, The Pit, and True Blue are a pretty good mix of content and community
Gaslamp Ball likes recess, apparently.
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Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
to be fair, it's like May 2011 all the time over there
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I actually hadn't been there in months myself
I only stumbled upon it because I was reading the NL MVP thread over at minor league ball and there was plenty of chatter about this post.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
they don't much like me now
Oh well
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 6:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I thoroughly enjoyed that post
and the Dodger-baiting in the comments is even better.
I will admit
that “Deal with it” gif string is pretty incredible.
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I will also say this is pretty funny
so if you guys hate kershaw so much
why vote for him at all?
Dude
He was like the best pitcher the NL.
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I second this
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don’t knwo what I’m more upset about – a failure to turn an awesome opportunity to educate into some bullshit or the fact that he keeps writing f_ck – just write the whole word out you sc_redy c_t.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I aint scurrred
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
scoredy cot?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
I got one of those at Ikea.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Boy
They hand recs to comments out like candy at gaslamp
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
And then we argue about Mahanian WAR vs Cluaswtizian WAR...
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Not unless Russ drops by...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
$5.25 mil for Ellis in 2013?
Combine that with a battle over Jamey Carroll’s services, the complete lack of anyone better than Ian Stewart available and the general agreement that mediocre players are getting far too much jack, and leads me to a question:
Is it possible that this is the “era of the pitcher” because there is actually a dearth of major league caliber position players rather than there being a surplus of good pitchers?
We’ve known this was going on (offensively) at the catcher’s position around the league, but is it starting to spread?
via Buster Olney
The Braves have no interest in trading Martin Prado for Delmon Young.
We can do this thing!
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Buster Olney tweets
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The Braves have no interest in trading Martin Prado for Delmon Young.
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They also wanted Ray Drecker
Detroit balked.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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LOL that's hilarious!
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I think I heard somewhere that Buster Olney doesn't think the Braves have any interest in trading Prado for Young.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
gonna need a source on this.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
papality
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
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Heh.
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/hard to navigate
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
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...
i hear buster olney has tweeted something regarding the braves, delmon young, and martin prado.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
What's that you say?
The Young Braves are wearing Prada this year?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
source?
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dawnmarie01
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Hahahahahaha
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 5:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Delmon Prado may have the best name in imaginary baseball.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently, Butler Oldie just tweeted that
the Braves have no interest in trading Martin Prado for Justin Verlander.
never change, Jon Morosi
If #Astros are going to be an AL club in 2013, they need to start thinking about a DH at some point. And that is what the off-season is for.
There’s so much wrong with this statement, it’s absurd.
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Well hey, if the Astros need DH's. let's talk shop.
Jason Giambi and Ty Wigginton for Wandy Rodriguez
We’ll give ‘em TWO DH’s for ONE measly pitcher.
is Carlos Lee still with them?
If not,o haii Brett Wallace!!
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I am still amazed that the Cardinals
thought Brett Wallace was going to be a 3B at the MLB level. And then they got Billy Beane to believe it as well, and made out like bandits on the Holliday deal.
The guy was an offensive beast at Arizona State, but even then I would have bet the farm he would never play 3B in the majors.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 15, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
AFL News
That Nolan Arenado went a pathetic 3-4 today. Now hitting .404
Ben Paulsen is having a good couple of weeks, 1-4 with a 2 RBI double. Up to a respectable .267
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maybe we can trade
Arenado for Delmon Young. Then use Delmon to get us taht coveted Matt Diaz!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
nah, they were all singles
Braves want a RH bat with POWAH! Like Delmon Young!
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Arenado
Smith and Wheeler – but that’s my final offer!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Also...
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I love the headline of this piece
Chris Volstad wasn’t invited to Marlins’ uniform unveiling
It comes off as high school gossip like
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
Chris Volstad unable to find date for the Marlins’ uniform unveiling, decides to stay home and watch ‘Step By Step’ reruns.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think you spelled "Saved by the Bell" wrong
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I thought it would be funnier
using a show that has lost a lot of luster. We all still love Saved by the Bell but I can’t remember the last time anyone cared about Step By Step
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This assumes anyone ever cared about "Step by Step
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The brunette was pretty cute.
So was the My Two Dads girl.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
But having both Bobby Ewing
and JR Ewings son on there was just so wrong…
Plus, Suzanne Somers? If she’s not Chrissy Snow or thighmastering, what’s the point?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
Bioidentical hormone hawking doesn't do it for you?
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Let's just say there might be more credible sources...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
She hasn't aged that well.
But it sure was cold when they took her picture for hew website.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 7:49 PM MST up reply actions
Well I can honestly say
I don’t think there have ever been so many comments about Delmon Young’s sorry ass before. I think Prado would be a nice upgrade.. He seemed to be solid at the begginning of last year and then kind of tailed off towards the end. I may get crap for this but I think the Rox should consider looking at Aramis Ramirez for 3rd base. He’s 33, I know but a hell of a lot better than Ian Stewart. I hear Aramis may head to the Brew Crew if Prince signs elsewhere but if not Aramis may be looking for a home and Colorado could serve as a great place. He’d be a great 6 hole hitter and could bring 20-25 HR’s from the corner spot. Trade for Prado and sign Sizemore and I think the team is heavily improved from last year. As far as pitching goes all the free agents are scrubs besides CJ Wilson. None of them are better than a 3rd or 4th starting pitcher on a team that is contending for the playoffs like the Rox. I think the Rox need one but could care less who they add.
Fowler CF
Sizemore LF
Cargo RF
Tulo SS
Helton 1B
Ramirez 3B
Prado 2B
Ianetta? C
Not a bad lineup at all… By the way happy B-Day Cat…. it’s been a minute since we have chatted.
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I don't think we'd have the money for
Aramis, Prado, and Sizemore. Aramis also blocks Arenado and his cost prohibits moves to improve the rotation. Aramis wouldn’t be bad but I think the team can make upgrades without adding his expensive/poor defense presence….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yea i feel ya
I also heard Aramis wants 3 years with a 4th yeasr option which would be obserd… maybe a 2 year deal I think you could still bring up Arenado and have him spell aramis for 40 games or so. May stunt his growing though… I don’t know. All I know is if Ian Stewart is the starting 3B on opening day this team is in some trouble.
As far as pitching goes… they are all scrubs.. I’d sign whichever one will take the least amount of mooney.
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
I’m kind of okay with Stewart starting at 3b – if he performs well, he boosts his trade value (and he’s good at defense). If he doesn’t we can play him or Nelson or Pacheco and just wait for Arenado to arrive. It’s definitely not a pretty situation but Arenado’s emergence as someone who doesn’t suck makes it a bit more bearable for me at least.
Also, I’d like Aramis more if this was Helton’s last year because then we could slide him to first easily but that’s not the case so idk…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yea
I just don’t think Nelson is anything more than a utility guy. Pacheco would be okay at third… you’d get the power but not really anything else. Stewart just can’t hit. His fileding is nice. Idk hopefully this Arenado kid really is something special
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Nessy! SUP!!!!
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livin the college dream
that is currently killing me. Whats up with you? How ya been?
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
Right, Dan. We believe you...
Rockies general manager Dan O’Dowd said. “We are very comfortable with our in-house options.”
So comfortable that you did the Mark Ellis trade last year in the first place… Unless they’re seriously contemplating bringing up Field or committing to giving Pacheco the 2B job full-time they in-house options haven’t changed since last year. And it’s not like you have a really promising long-term option there like at 3B that you need to bridge to.
I’m intrigued by Pacheco at 2B but I fear we’re going to be giving up a lot more runs while he learns the position defensively (if he ever does).
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He gave good at-bat in September
That’s all I got. He’s a utility guy.
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He reminds us of those chocolate ice cream tacos.
That’s a good thing too.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
where does that show up in these fancy stats? huh? nowhere, that’s why they all suck.
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I prefer bRUOICT to fRUOICT
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
I really like him as a utility guy
But I hate the idea of running him out at 2B every day, which is the only interpretation of the DOD quote above other than pure damage control over the Ellis signing. Seems once again it’s the offseason and we have no second baseman….
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Arenado and pray for Rutledge.
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is there a pray for mojo meme that we can alter for this?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Arenado, Rutledge, then step off the ledge?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 3:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
also,
how is rutledge defensively?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
drafted as a glove man
He’s very good at SS, likely very good at 2B
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
He's lying.
I thought people would catch on to that. He’s just backing up his guys. We’re going to get a 2B, of that I’m sure
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 5:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If we don't, you're going to be on the record saying you were sure of it
About a thousand times.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
Twice.
I’ve said it twice.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
I should just save this link right now
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
I thought you saved every link ...like EVERY link ;)
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Every rec you take,
Every stale, old joke,
Every link that’s broke,
he’ll be watching you.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions 9 recs
hahahaha ...too funny
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DAMN YOU!!!!
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:39 PM MST up reply actions
No
I just make really good use of the search function
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
Tweeter is such a roller coaster today...
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Tigers love Prado, but #Braves do not see a match. Want a better RHH OFer than Delmon Young. #MLB
That doesn’t sound too much like Seth. Or Wheeler, Or Blackmon.
Maybe DoD could convince them they really like Andrew Brown?
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I'm not sure they'd go for that
but I really like the concept. When healthy, the guy can rake.
Trouble is, he’s not quite MLB ready right now.
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I'm still really digging the idea
of Smith and Wheeler for Prado and a reliever – the Braves’ bullpen is set for a while. We need to get a good arm because 1. Casey Weathers isn’t going anywhere for a while and 2. Street should probably be traded – especially if compensation picks get reduced – because Streets’ type A status is the best thing he has going in the argument to keep him…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Same here.
Though there have been multiple glowing reports on Wheeler that make me think he could be an MLB regular.
It’s still a worthwhile trade for our immediate needs, but he could be something.
That being said, we are again in agreement co-GM buddy
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what have those reports said exactly? I’m still scared off by Wheeler’s strikeout rate and think that him having to adjust between altitude and sea-level will make his transition that much longer…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
ATF linked that Foster report yesterday
I think Goldstein had positive words as well, let me see if I can find them
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Tim Wheeler is a tall hitter who can easily drive low pitches into the gaps, creating excellent leverage. His build reminds me of Charlie Blackmon’s, but Wheeler is faster and more projectable than Blackmon.
Wheeler is the type of guy that you can probably convince yourself one way or the other that he’ll be great or AAAA depending on how you value his numbers. I think his strikeout rate has fallen as the AZL has progressed somewhat which is good.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If we were to sign Sizemore, I’m okay with dealing either Wheeler or Blackmon. I just think Blackmon can provide some benefit sooner rather than later…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
There just isn’t room for Cargo, Fowler, Smith, Blackmon, Wheeler, FA (Sizemore/Willingham/etc). Something has to give. Hopefully, we get Prado for it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
It's true
even if we ‘lose’ the trade in that one guy becomes more valuable down the line, it’s still possible both teams win.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
that is typically why teams trade, so they both win
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I’m more of a fan of using smoke and mirrors to screw another team, but alas, sometimes a genuinely good deal needs to be struck…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
HAHA
I know what you mean
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
Have you taken a gander at next year's rotation?
we’ll need 7 outfielders.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
possibly 2 of those playing in the bleachers and 5 to cover the gaps,we will concede the center field bomb
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
must be a long day
I linked it today. In this very post
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 6:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
the RH OF is not really a revelation
Every source I’d seen from the Braves camp indicated that was their desire.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 3:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Spilly?
Wiggington can play some outfield? Huh? Huh?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Oooo I forgot we had that guy
Him and Blackmon should be able to meet or beat Smith’s production – especially considering defense…
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Um, hello
Perhaps you haven’t met my friend Cole Garner.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Untouchabe
we’ve already lost Alan Johnson, we can’t give up another key trade piece in Garner…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Pacheco Experiement
Comfortable with inhouse 2bs, ok lets take a look, EY can run, thats it, Herrera, swings a wet newspaper, Nelson game is too fast for him, that leaves Fields and Pacheco. Fields platoon player, steady glove, and to tell you the truth the Rockies should of NEVER made Pacheco into a catcher, but the power to be Billy G had to do it. He was a heckuof a 2b in college, so lets see how many years wasted on this experiement and all he is a 3rd catcher where he could of been an everyday 2b who could hit. And this is not hindsight its about evaluating your own talent.
I’m kinda in the boat of F 2nd Base and lets focus on something else.
Pitchers and Sluggers…who is gonna make the difference for our team. If we don’t get a top 2 starter or a slugger we might as well kiss 2012 good bye
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'm actually fine kissing 2012 good bye
I’m already viewing it as a rebuilding year, unless we get quite a few lucky breaks. But you should actually do some rebuilding in your rebuilding year and I don’t see anything on the horizon at 2B except maybe Pacheco and it’s a big maybe. It is ironic that we need a 2B, which is what he used to be. Maybe he can re-learn the position at the major league level. Maybe there was a good reason he was converted to catcher (Todd Helton was a pitcher in college but no one’s suggesting moving him into the rotation). I guess we’ll find out.
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Maybe we can sign Brandon Phillips next year
I just think rebuilding with your 2 stars in their prime is a silly idea to begin with. I realize its happening, just don’t think it should be happening. What are we rebuilding from? A silly playoff appearance 2 years ago? We have been rebuilding for a while now.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
It's just a reality
We were supposed to be competitive in 2011, but too many of our young players didn’t live up to expectations and the FO realized they had grossly overevaluated their talent. We have a lot of pieces in place and don’t need a complete rebuild but Tulo and Cargo alone can’t win a championship. I can deal with a rebuilding year, but not a rebuilding decade.
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by RoarFrom112 on Nov 15, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
guessing you know Checo?
Scouts all over didn’t like his range at second on draft day and none have changed their mind. Could he have become a very good defensive infielder had he not moved to catcher? I suppose, but doubtful. If you’re angry he was moved, be angry at all the scouts that didn’t like him at 2B, not just the rockies
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 3:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I would so trade a little range at 2B for a 2B who can hit
My goodness, is there any question about that?
by BostonTransplant on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
My question is
what in Pacheco’s career makes anyone think he is capable of hitting?
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
You mean aside from his hitting?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
He can hit, so he can hit?
I’m still skeptical.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
Ummm.....
a .326 wOBA, and an 80 wRC in what is probably the best hitting park in North America, hardly qualifies as hitting….
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I’d hesitate to use the most recent season that looks like an outlier. Though the point stands that we don’t really know how effective he’ll be at the ML level.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Bill James has his 2012 Projection out
and has him hitting .247/284/.332
Now normally I’m not a fan of James’ projections, but I think given his most recent season, I think this is somewhat fair. I just don’t think Pacheco is a major league player.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Sigh ... is it really just us oldsters who like to watch a guy, you know, hit
Before deciding that one year’s stats in AAA show conclusively that he can’t?
by BostonTransplant on Nov 15, 2011 4:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
And even so
I’m not a professional scout, neither are you I assume, so I will trust the numbers before I trust my eyes…
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
It also hardly qualifies as his whole career...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
I certainly would
But there is significant question to whether his bat would be great enough to cover his deficiencies. It would have to be pretty exceptional. While he is a solid contact hitter, he’s never been an elite bat. Would you take Jamey Carroll’s bat with EY’s glove?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 6:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Welcome to Purple Row
Fields is really still a year out from being MLB ready. Last year was just too terrible for the team that they just thought they would throw him in there like everyone else.
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JFK
Maybe Minnesota is regretting Mauer and we can take him off their hands
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this is a good point
if we trade Iannetta, we’ll need someone else to bench. Plus he can mentor whoever is the ‘former backup catcher turned starter that Tracy has fallen in love with’
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
CDI, Wheeler, Street, Matzek and PBTL and we will eat his full salary
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
I know, im just being stupid, you don’t even have to ask
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
lol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't think we need to exacerbate any of our catchers.
eh, Resolution? eh?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
hey
if Minn wants to exacerbate their catcher I say we jump on the opportunity!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
"Why, yes will still have this Ubaldo"
“what’s that?”
…hey shut the hell up guys, you’re going to ruin this.
“absolutey, he’s pitched like in the beginning of 2010.”
“oh yea, just for Mauer. Straight up.
“Deal, I’ll just sign the paperwork and fax it back to you and the commissioner and we wi be done”
“Absolutey, it’s a pleasure to do business with you. No, I’ll get the press realease out….Allright goodbye”
Ok guys, we need a cardboard cut-out, a #38 Rockies jersey, Jose Jimenez and enough gas money to get Minneapolis before he finds out.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 3:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
recommendation
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Gaby Sanchez played
3rd base,
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
Michael Vick played OF and P in high school
and was voted Best Baseball Player From Another Sport by 269 MLB players
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 15, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
we drafted Vick! damn you cheapforts!!!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
We're batting .500 with quarterbacks
We signed Holliday and Parker, we lost Vick and Wilson. Well,. actually we signed Wilson, but then he left. So I guess that puts us just barely over .500?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Umm weren't Seth and Todd QBs too?
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, if you want to get all technical and stuff...
I guess I was thinking of guys that we had to sign away from at least some chance of continuing to play QB. Or I just had a brain fart. Something like that… :-/
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Seth Smith and Todd Helton yo
our success rate with qb’s is like a good passer completion percentage. Though Parker may suck in the end.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well apparently a good passer completion percentage
Here in Denver is 2/8… so I’d say we’re well above that now.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
1. 2 at most.
Of course, in the case of Tebow, a pass that is within the receivers sight but not caught is generally considered a “drop”…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
And also there
were a couple that weren’t even withing YARDS of the intended receiver
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
I remember one awful one,
two were kind of jump balls that were reasonably close as far as the average deep ball in the NFL goes…
Then there was one glorious spiral that lifted it’s gaze heavenward, made eye contact with the almighty himself, then dropped ever so gently like a feather on an idle breeze into the receiver’s hands.
I just laughed my ass off when he threw that one.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
I was cracking up as well
I just couldn’t believe that he was doing such a mediocre job and then launched a PERFECT pass about 50 yards downfield.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Giambi-esque, really
Designated striker-outer-to-end-the-game, then all of a sudden he hits 3 home runs in one game.
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Yup
There’s something to be said about “clutch”
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:07 PM MST up reply actions
dunno if you follow them on Twitter,
but this was Muzia & AFish’s exchange after that:
Muzia: I’m so confused #Broncos
AFish: I think Franklin Morales just threw one over the plate #everyonedoesitonce
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 15, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Boom Roasted.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome to PR
I don’t think he has quite the range at 2B to be effective (even out of college). 3B is much more likely but the Rockies did make him a catcher so that took some out of his actual fielding. He will be better come spring but how much is up for debate. I would also like to see him hit a little more be he sure looks good.
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hey random question
how is Vinny Castilla still involved with the Rockies organization?
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he gets the coffee
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 16, 2011 7:02 AM MST up reply actions
I actually like that a lot!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
I absolutely totally love it
but mostly because of what it represents… As a logo I’m a bit meh. Not sure how it will look on a hat…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
It certainly
beats the sky sox logo
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
It's the Grand Mesa.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 4:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Or the Pizza Hut on the other side of North Avenue....
I could see it either way…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
I can see what you're saying but I still like it :)
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holy crap it really does look like purple pizza hut
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
I like it
but nothing will replace the Casper Ghosts logo in my heart
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 15, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
I really miss the Ghosts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The black cap with the orange bill is cool
But any cap with a white field is just bad. They look like giveaways from the local seed corn salesman, and they don’t age gracefully.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 15, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
And wow, I can't believe Camden Yards is turning 20
I went to a game there in its inaugural year. No wonder I look old.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 15, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
And...
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
there needs to be a way to frame gifs on the wall
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Haha tell me about it
I watched this and suppressed laughter for about 10 minutes. So well done. I especially like the heads popping in and out between the flashed of “this is birdland”
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
flashes*
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
the Roberts poking his head over the CF wall is slaying me
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
I want to be an Orioles fan.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Just so we can post this gif daily on our blog
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
and have a competent second baseman.
at least 30 games a year
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A pitcher from Mines (Corey Ast) played
in their system in 2010 and did reasonably well. He didn’t play last year.
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Yay return of cartoon bird!
Sadly, no new owner to go with the new logo…
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So who wasn't invited
to this unveiling?
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I'm working on a paper right now involving the Rockies
and in case anyone is wondering, at the team level for 2011, 2010, and 2009, the average difference in wOBA between home and away was .011, .015, and .015 respectively (and in favor of home, duhhh). Over that same timespan, the Rockies have produced the following home/away differences in wOBA: .046, .081, & .052.
These splits are, in the smallest instance about 2 sd deviations greater than the average and in 2010 was about 4 standard deviations greater.
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This sounds like a good fanpost
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
Link?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting Renck tweets
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Some quick notes after meeting w GMs… Rox plan to tender ian stewart…met w Roy Oswalt’s agent and still exploring trade for pitcher
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Rox also have interest in LaTroy Hawkins, but would hinge on trading Huston Street
Also, he retweeted that Marcel Lachemann has been hired by the Angels as special assistant to GM Jerry DiPoto…
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Update on Sizemore: #Rockies’ would get better picture of his health during his follow up visits to Steadman-Hawkins in Vail
Rockies’ would get better read on Sizemore’s overall health of knees. Wouldn’t require baseball workout so to speak.
There have been multiple calls on Seth Smith, Ian Stewart and Huston Street…Wouldn’t be surprised if two of three traded this winter
trade all 3 of em
they all suck
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 15, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
Intersting.
If all three are traded, my grandma, mom, and I will all not be happy campers because of their respective departures.
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 15, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
Amusingly enough, Ian Stewart looks like the safest of the three right now.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
Which we've known for some time now.
And I’m not necessarily opposed, either.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
well, assumed
We haven’t KNOWN anything.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Stewies the only guy of the 3 who....
might come back to haunt you if you deal him low. We’ve seen the best that Smith and Street are likely to provide.
I'd be down for trading him to Chicago...
for Gordon Beckham. Two guys who desperately need a change of scenery.
I don't hate Hawkins/Oswalt
Trade Seth and Street. Give Stew one more shot.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 5:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"Rox also have interest in LaTroy Hawkins, but would hinge on trading Huston Street"
They chased Carroll & have interest in Francis.
Somewhere, Danny Ardoin sits by the phone and waits……
lol
Ardoin and Cory Sullivan yo
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
Hawkins could be huge
only because I still need him to sign my 2007 NL Championship shirt
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Jayson Stark was asked about interleague games once the Astros switch over
and tweeted that the tentative plan is 30 per team. Doesn’t that seem like way too many? Current interleague is about 18 games. So 30 would be an additional 3-4 series.
30 works...
I think you’d see a rotating division setup, similar to what the NFL has. One year the Rockies would have a home and away 3-game series against the East, then Central, then West. Fair for all teams, as far as scheduling is concerned. Five teams in all divisions, so the model plays out perfectly.
However, MLB will probably screw this up and go with Mets-Yankees and similar rivalries every season.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
hey, shoot me an email when you get a moment, if you wouldn't mind.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Correct.
I laid this out when I did my schedule of a 15/15 league analysis way back in the day. Essentially each team would play ten interleague series (30 games). For a balanced schedule, it will likely pick one opposite-league division to play the same way it plays the other same league divisions.
For example, we could play the standard 24 series against our division, ten against the NL East as usual, ten against the NL Central fresh minus Houston, and then ten against either the AL West, AL Central or AL East, likely rotating on seasons. Every division would play the same ten series, though if the PTB still want to pretend interleague rivalries between various teams are important, that could throw a wrench in that.
But either way, you’ll notice that the 24+10+10+10 plan, assuming 3 games series all around, adds up to the same 162 games MLB already plays, keeping seasonal length essentially the same. This is how I always assumed the schedule would be made if this happened.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
every team IN THE DIVISION would play the same ten series, is what I meant there.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I think there are a few of the interleague rivalries that likely aren't going anywhere.
Mostly the same-city ones (could probably get rid of a few others). But they could certainly cut them down to one series instead of two (I believe they do 2 now, one home and one away, right?). You just alternate home parks each year.
The only reason to be dubious of this is that up until now, the unbalanced divisions have MLB the excuse for an unbalanced schedule.
With balance to the divisions appearing, I’m hoping they realize that they can capitalize on their rivalries in a balanced way. every three years instead of every year. That actually brings some of the mystique back into those rivalries that interleague play used to generate back in the day.
Point being, interleague won’t be able to pretend to be special after this. It’ll firmly be business as usual.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
gave*
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:36 PM MST up reply actions
A compromise option could be to make the Wests, Centrals and Easts always be the ones to play each other every year, ensuring both balance and rivalries at the expense of less variety.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
I wonder why
there can’t be just some sort of severely reduced unbalanced schedule. If teams played people in their division just a few times more rather than the current form of 18 games for division rivals and as little as six for non-division rivals, then it would reduce the need to have so many interleague games… 30 games seems like a bit much for something that was introduced as a novelty ~15 seasons ago…
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I think the unbalanced schedule (18 games against division rivals)
really helps both interest in the division and cuts down on travel. Especially for teams in the west. If you cut down on division games, you’re likely going to have more east coast games.
Travel is a huge factor on the micro scale of the schedule, but I wouldn't worry about it on the whole.
As long as teams knock off 2-3 series every trip out there, I can’t see it being a significant issue.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't want any more East coast road trips than necessary.
And travel effects the West coast teams more than East coast (because there are less in the West).
It's definitely a valid concern to be considered.
I just don’t think it’s an inherent, end-of-discussion excuse to refute the idea of a balanced schedule. I’d rather make the travel sacrifices if necessary, but there are many sides to be considered.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
I agree that it's only one consideration.
It’s not my only reason for liking the unbalanced schedule (in terms of number of divisional games), though.
I have to disagree
We play the Padres more times in a season than an NFL club plays in a season, and you think that ups interest? If I could go to games, I would be much more excited (tight divisional races and hated rivals excepted) to see the Tigers and yankees and Angels and Rangers and all the clubs I didn’t usually see come to town. It staggers me that in 162 games, they can’t fit in games with all 29 other major league baseball teams.
They could fit it in.
It’s just a matter of whether they want to. I prefer limited interleague, myself.
With interleague all year,
they could easily schedule something that works because they wouldn’t have to fir all the games into two set weeks per year.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 15, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't referring just to interleague.
I meant if you play change the schedule so you play teams in your division less than the current 18 times.
Being that I am in favor of the leagues being homogenized, I like (first) my idea better. :p
In my ideal world, a team plays their division the most, with the rest of the teams sprinkled about as convenient. With my concession that the league system is still in place, the best way to make it work IMO is to force dual series against the rest of the league with balanced interleague filling the gaps.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 15, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
I actually love the 30 games
It makes so much sense to me (IF INSTALLED CORRECTLY)
1) Fans like interleague play – Attendance and TV numbers go up every year – So I have no problem adding more
2) The schedule will become balanced this way. Teams will now have 72 divsion games (18 against each opponent just like now), 30 interleague games (hopefully broken up the way I’ve described below), and 60 games against the other 10 teams in the same league as you not in your divsion. (This fits PERFECTLY because now you have six games agaisnt each of these teams – three at home, and three away)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Comepare that to the weird stuff we have going on now
EX: The Rockies played the Brewers 9 times this season and the Phillies only 5. Doesn’t really make sense to me. (And it’s not an east/central divsion thing – These numbers bounce around almost at random from team to team each year under the current system)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think
that by adding more there’d be an eventual dilution of it’s novelty-based impact on attendance and TV numbers. Though NL teams may benefit disproportionately since they’d get more Yankees and Red Sox appearances…
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Here's how I would like to see it broken up
1) You always play the five teams in the same geographic divsion in the other league. (This means the Rockies would always play the five teams in the AL West once – Rangers, Angels, A’s, Mariners, and now the Astros)
2) You alternate the other divsion each year. (So in even numbered years we’d always play the AL East and in odd numbered years we’d always play the AL Central)
This would……….
A) Allow the same city natural rivals to continue to play each other every year (For instance, the Mets and Yankees are both in the east divsions so according to my rule #1, they would always play one series against each other.)
B) Keep cross country travel down. (Since half of your interleague games will always be against the same geographic divsion in the other league, only the other five could possibly be on the other end of the country – and at least two of those series have to be at home. So the most cross country interleague series a team could possibly play under this system is three)
C) Make it as fair as possible. (Every team in each division would play the same 10 teams each season in interleague play)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
There will still in all likelihood be four and two game series though
But they will now all be within the divsion. Since there are 6 series against each divsion opponent, you can still break up the games this way. For instance, when the Padres come to town, you could break the three home series (9 total games) into a four game series, a three game series, and a two game series.
This is how it’s gonna happen because they are not adding a week to the schedule.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 15, 2011 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Pure fan speculation..
What do you guys think about Danks AND Beckham from Chicago? I know I’d be with that, and willing to pay a high price for as well
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Will Posh Spice be part of this deal?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 15, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
It's definitely intriguing
though there is the possibility that we give away a boatload of talent for 1 year of Danks and 3-4 years of a newer Ian Stewart…
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seriously, let's just sign jackson and not lose the talent
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/john-danks-the-left-handed-edwin-jackson/
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
I know others disagree
and I can’t say I blame them – but if his costs are reasonable, I think we should acquire Jackson on a JDLR type of deal where he can opt out after two or three seasons. Trading Street and Wigginton should be enough to free up salary for him for the first season.
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For me the costs would have to be VERY reasonable
Jackson is one of those guys who really doesn’t do anything for me. For every great outing, he’s going to have a start that burns out the bullpen for a week…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
It's true
I guess I feel like so do Hammel, a rebuilding JDLR, and this mystery fifth man of the rotation as far as short outings. It really all depends on his cost though like you said…though if it were for 2 years, I think I could stomach Jackson’s inconsistency if it provided more overall stability and consistency for the rotation…
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I think I could stomach Jackson’s inconsistency if it provided more overall stability and consistency for the rotation…
The scary part? I think I understand this… lol
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
I actually like Jackson.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
Is it wrong.....
that I utterly despise that “Talking Baseball” song? Especially the team-specific ones where “Willie, Mickey & the Duke” get swapped out for, like, Ed Kranepool and Cleon Jones?
I love "Talking Baseball."
But I’ve never heard any of the team-specific ones. I’m pretty sure I’d hate them.
the original, yes, it's wrong
the team-specific ones are awful.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 15, 2011 7:02 PM MST up reply actions
Since the Rox are scouring their recent past for players to bring back....
….may I suggest another one?
I could live with Jeff Baker manning 2B for this team right now. He’s been good for the Cubs, but I could see him getting lost in the shuffle with new management and able to be pried away.
Thoughts?
I like it
But I think he would be harder to pry from Chicago than you’d think. Don’t forget, he was a hot name last trade deadline.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'd agree with this
though I’d add that we have no idea how the new regime values their players so Baker’s availability could be anywhere…
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The Cubs are high on the DJ LeMahieu kid....
a righty 2B/3B, so they might think about moving Bake to clear some space for him to play.
They need a right fielder and Soriano needs someone to spell him in left. Splly & Smith for Baker and a prospect?
Or (and I've got my flame proof suit on for this one)
Spilly & Smith for Baker, Zambrano & cash
Big Z is good for one dinger a year at least
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I think the one dinger we have is more than enough...
unless you’re referring to one Dinger nailed by a pitch behind home plate per year, in which case I say we get this done…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
Damn pesky capitalization
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If we had anything resembling an every day 2B....
…or any such person on our radar, I’d agree. But, in the current state of affairs, having a guy who can play solid D and handle the bat is better than the alternatives.
z'd right past it.
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Any ticket, any game - $10....
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
They really should get a deal with Pizza Hut going
because that would be truly funny
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Except the Pizza Huts here won't even offer that deal....
Their idea of a promotion would be “pay ridiculously inflated regular price for our pizza, get a Rockies ticket at regular price”…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
There is also a fantastic fanpost on the subject....
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Nov 15, 2011 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
Ask RIRF for the link
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As per Mike Newman's prospect chat at Fangraphs today
Comment From Dave
Think Wilin Rosario breaks camp with the Rockies? If he does, how many HR’s in ’12?
5:07
Mike Newman:
i could see 20 with a low average. Arencebia-ish with a little less power. Not sure why they are in such a rush other to save a little coin.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Totally agreed with Newman.
I am kind of hoping Rosario starts off at AA.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
I think I'm leaning toward AAA
it’d be too frustrating for him to stay down there I’d imagine – also if we get a humidor in AAA I’m going to start treating it like a normal team for us to promote players
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Actually, after rethinking it, I agree with you.
AAA is where I’d send him too. Humidor or no humidor.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:42 PM MST up reply actions
Also this question was posed
Comment From JT
Shouldn’t the Braves be able to get a top 100 prospect for Martin Prado? He is a middle infielder with a good career stats.
Mike Newman:
Coming off a bad year where he’ll cost more money. It’s a tougher sell than you think.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It is a tough sell.
But the Braves know how dire the second base situation is here. They can get more from the Rockies because of that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 15, 2011 8:42 PM MST up reply actions
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