Rockies Microwave Oven Heating Up As Brandon Wood Signs Minor League Contract
by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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PrintIn what is sure to make headlines in tomorrow's Denver Post, the Rockies have acquired former Angels and Pirates infielder Brandon Wood on a hefty minor-league contract. Wood, 26, was taken 23rd overall in the 2003 Entry Level Draft by the Anaheim Angels, and after playing parts of 8 seasons in the minors and 5 in the majors (obviously some overlap there) as a reputably strong infield defender, Wood has yet to crack that elusive "league average bat" mark in a season.
Wood was reportedly brought in to compete for the 3B job in the Spring of 2012. Wood, interestingly enough, is like a worse version of Ian Stewart. He's generally considered to be a plus glove (even though the advanced metrics really don't support that), but he strikes out WAY too much (29% MLB career K%), he doesn't get on base via the free pass, and despite showing a massive power potential (43 HR in High-A Rancho Cucamonga in 2005), he's hit all of 18 HR in the majors and has a .103 ISO (SLG-AVG), which is even sadder when you look at his .186 career average.
Before anybody flips out about Wood being a terrible excuse for the "big acquisition" the Rockies need to make this offseason, remember that Wood is on a Minor League contract and is really there for AAA depth. That said, he could be one of those absurdly late bloomers and suddenly find that MLB potential that had him and Stewart drafted in the 1st round. I mean, really, there's no risk involved here. If Wood flashes the awesome, yay, awesome. If he sucks, however, oh well, it's not like there was a MLB investment in the signing. I'm hoping for the awesome option, but I'm also not holding my breath. (/fast forward to April and Wood's inexplicably the starting 3B)
The Rockies ARE out there looking, but maybe not as aggressively as we might be hoping.
"It just depends on who they are," O'Dowd said. "We're pursuing players, but with where we're at, we're not just going to add players to be adding them. It's like the second basemen we're going after. We have an idea of what we feel they are worth, and if the other side feels they're worth something different, we're just going to move on."
Not exactly what you want to read when the team has a lot of work to get back to a competitive state. The positive spin is that they're not going to mortgage the organization for a marginal improvement, but the negative spin is clearly that the team won't haggle much or get into bidding wars with their FA targets. I guess it's a prudent fashion in which to act, but it's far from interesting.
In other news, the Bill James 2012 projections are available on Fangraphs now, and they're always fun to look at. Here's some sneak previews: Helton posts a .393 OBP, Tulo blasts 29 bombs, Cargo bats .305, and Jhoulys Chacin goes 11-10 with a 3.73 ERA. There we go, folks. No need to watch the 2012 season. Oh, and Rex Brothers continues to be filthy.
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Signing Pirates rejects are never a good thing...
Here’s hoping the only time Wood sees the Coors Field Grass in 2012 is at Fan Fest.
That Ryan Vogelsong guy is terrible.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 7:57 AM MST up reply actions
It's a no-risk, faint hope of reward type of signing.
It means literally nothing unless it ends up actually meaning something.
Let’s move on.
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Jose Bautista would like a word.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Except when you have the Rockies current situation at 3B
The OPS+ of all Rockies 3B combined last season was 64. Wood had a 73 OPS+ with the Pirates last year so technically this is an improves the team. But no, he’s not a guy I want to see out there too often for the Rockies.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
this is an improves the team
Yeah, it’s been a bad morning….
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
That O'Dowd quote
Has an intended audience of one: Frank Wren. Translated: Dude, really? Stop the ridiculous demands and shit or get off the pot … otherwise we have other options.
Interesting that we’re talking about B. Wood after weeks of slobbering over an A level infielder who’s come to save us. ..
by BostonTransplant on Nov 18, 2011 8:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Unfortunately, those other options accounted for negative WAR last season…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
true but
1) other options don’t necessarily mean those already in the org, and 2) not even Stewart could be THAT bad again. I mean, millwood had more HR than Stewart had legit XBH
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 9:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know I personally have been advocating for giving Smith and Wheeler to ATL for Prado and then immediately assigning Prado to Modesto. Those minor leaguers should have a lot to learn from a guy who’s been through it all!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
maybe an A-Tier?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Arenado?
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
wait wait wait
are you saying, or even implying, that someone among us has attempted to hurt Arenado’s feelings? May this individual meet a swift, harsh fate!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It certainly was
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Sadly, I kinda like this move...
Wood is a zero-risk minor league signing, as well as a former 1st-rounder who’s only 26 y/o. If he happens to perform well, he could at least be the RH half of a platoon with Stewart, plus he played every IF spot with Pittsburgh last season.
Nice, inexpensive pick-up while we wait for the Rox to acquire a real difference-maker.
No loss here
I won’t say its a good signing but I wouldn’t classify it as a bad one
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
I think I’d rather have Brandon Wood on the big league roster next year as the 25th man reserve infielder du jour than Jonathan Herrera.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
sure
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
As per your comment yesterday
about Belisle and JDLR, I’d add Cliff Lee to the list too…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
haha agree
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Look buddy
you’ll never find more scrappitude than Herrera.
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Do we want scrappitude on our team?
I’m not a huge fan of scrappitude unless it exists in dudes who can already hit.
Okay let me see if I have this right
We want scrappitude but only if dude can hit
but we will accept edginess in dudes that can’t pitch…..?
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heh
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 18, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Scrappitude vs crappitude?
Though actually I agree, give Wood a chance. Johnny’s not going anywhere.
One should always give Wood a chance
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What about Tebow? He seems to be the ultimate scrapper!
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 18, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Somewhere David Eckstein is...
I don’t know what he would be doing right now
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There 'ya go...
Would be nice if O’Dowd actually brought his name up to the Mets in all of this Street/Pelfrey talk.
This is one person I think I would rather have than Prado.
even though folks here don’t believe in batting avg. He was at .320 before he got hurt. Not a big home run threat, but will single and double a team to death.
Link: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/murphda08.shtml
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I like the 42 K's in 109 games
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If I read it correctly. Isn't he still under team control or is he coming up an arbitration?
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arbitration IS under team control
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 9:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Remember who is asking this....Me.
Could we possibly get him and what would it take?
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Their infield
Duda-1st
Turner 2nd
SS-TBD-Murphy don’t play SS
3rd-Wright
There might be a spot for him in the OF so who knows. Its the Mets.
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Wouldn't they rather have Seth Smith in LF than Daniel Murphy?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I wouldn't mind Murphy playing in LF and Prado playing 2nd.
I just don’t think we could do both.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
I think we could the Mets aren't in win now mode
the Braves are so Murphy likely costs prospects, Prado more established players. We aren’t a great match with Atl but it depends on how much Wren likes Smith, if he secretly likes smith a lot(and a lot of teams loved him as a prospect in 07-08) then maybe we can do both.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Rueben Tejada ...
is, I think, their planned SS provided they don’t resign Reyes or another SS.
by Traindogger on Nov 18, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Oh yea, I forgot about Tejeda. Thanks.
MAKE MURPHY OURS!
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
Where is Ike Davis in all of this?
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on the DL I guess...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
In all honesty, I had totally forgotten about Davis.
He was on the DL for so long. Slipped my mind he was there still
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His knee injury had me a little concerned but.......
Daniel Murphy healthy: New York Mets 2B Daniel Murphy (knee) said he is completely healthy after suffering a Grade 2 strain of the medial collateral ligament in his left knee in August. Murphy did not need surgery.
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I love murphy as Pradolite not as good at 2B perhaps but would much rather give up say Blackmon
than Blackmon and Smith
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
But we have this Huston Street fellow that we can use to get him instead of Pelfrey.
I don’t want Pelfrey. Hell, I’d even give them Wigginton right along with Street just to get him the hell out of here.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe Wiggy, Street and a Field/Mathess level prospect someone they can dream on a little
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Mets and Braves in very different places
And Mets finally have smart leadership now. I expect they’d want significant prospects. Prado deal is better because Smith as headliner doesn’t hurt as much (he’s replaceable). I say this even though I actually think Murphy’s a better player.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 18, 2011 10:14 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Link?
I’ve wanted this guy for a while
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 10:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Check it - Arenado Scouting Report
All I can say is … WOW:
http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/11/17/nolan-arenado-scouting-report
Yeah, I think we all looked at that in a Rockpile a couple days ago.,
But it is nice to see people gush over our prospects.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Interesting ...
Since it was posted late yesterday. ;)
by Traindogger on Nov 18, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Long work week
Yesterday afternoon feels like a couple of days ago
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Get well soon Juan.
Missed that ...
… but then, I tend to stop reading comments after we hit 550 ;)
by Traindogger on Nov 18, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
If he can get his defense up to a higher level.
Would he be like a younger Longoria? I can’t say Zimmerman because he is nowhere near there “yet”?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Zimmerman may be better than Longoria, but Longoria is still elite – so I doubt it. Just hope for average defense and the bat to develop quickly.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think his bat will come quickly, worried if his defense will lag. I don't want that.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
At a certain point
We need to sacrifice defense to score some runs. As long as he’s competent, I wouldn’t worry – he can always be moved to 1B after Todd retires, if needed.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
this I will agree with
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Longoria is better than Zimmerman
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
On the defense side?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
I'd say so - Not by a huge amount but I would prefer his glove
Both are obviously outstanding talents, but I feel Longoria is a little better in all the really important things you look for. A little more pop, a little more getting on base, a little more glove, and a little younger.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
I don't know about that
I mean I guess you could take your pick but they are about as close as you can get IMO
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Remember though
Zimmerman plays a pretty neutral park while Longoria plays in what may be the most pitcher friendly venue in the entire AL.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Is the Trop that pitcher friendly?
I always thought it was more neutral myself…but then again, I tend to ignore the Trop when looking at park factors…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Yes
It has the most shocking park factors in baseball for my money. Baseball reference has it around 91 or 92 on multi year levels pretty consistently. If you ever have a few minutes, look at some of the details, they favor the pitchers WAY more than you would first think.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
It's also why I would argue that some of their pitchers are slightly overrated while Longoria is actually slightly underrated.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Or take a look at the Zorilla H/R this year
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Would the park effects make their pitcher waaaaay overrated
I mean they are PETCO type ratings.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Not a perfect comparison but a quick and dirty way to illustrate the point
Longoria’s career road OPS – .881 (15 points higher than at home)
Zimmerman’s career road OPS – .813 (40 points lower than at home)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
I get what you are saying but considering the away parks I really don't like this comparison
Also I am about as sold on Park ratings as I am fielding ratings.
wRC+ would work better; being weighted and all.
I see them both being in the 130 to 140 superstar range when healthy.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
wRC+ does not help Zimmerman's case much
Longoria’s career wRC+ = 135
Zimmerman’s career wRC+ = 119
In fact, Longoria is so consistently good that he’s never had a seeason with a wRC+ below 130. Zimmerman on the other hand has had four seasons of wRC+ below 120. I do think Zimmerman is a little better than the 119 number because of the age he came into the league an injuries, but it’s quite a leap to say he’s as good as Longo.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
Age and injuries have something to do with that
How about this then since, Zimmerman’s highest year was higher than Longoria’s, he has been better but not as consistent ;)
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
It's too bad you have the Red Sox and not the Rays in our OOTP League
The first thing I’d be doing is working on a Zimmerman Longoria swap.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Youkilis has a career wRC+ of 131 which is waaaay better than Zimmerman
;)
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
HAHA
Darn
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
And a much better wOBA
Youk is the man!!
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Already smarter than I
I am in trouble in the AL East.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
Playing division games at Camden/Fenway/YS might affect that a bit
since he has a .930/.920/.927 OPS in those three parks
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
This ^
And the Rogers Centre in Toronto is pretty hitter-friendly too. I think the Trop is very tough on offense, but the other venues in the division tend to even things out.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
I would have included Rogers but he kind of sucks there .711 OPS in 28 Games
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
1.262 OPS at Coors :(
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I was just talking about Rays' hitters and pitchers in general
rather than Longoria.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
The Colosseum Sucks to hit in
as does Seattle. The Trop is up there with those two for sure
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JFK
I think we should go find Andy LaRoche
and join Wood and Stew and make them live in a house together and film the thing for a sort of bizarro reality show like “so you wanna be a 3rd baseman” or something and have them compete in physical challenges, pub quizzes and Bachelorette style dating games. I would watch that.
Or, hopefully, the idea is just to surround Arenado with these guys and tell him “whatever these guys are doing, at any time and for whatever reason, you do the opposite.”
Add Andy Marte to the mix
Maybe the host can be Alex Gordon.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well ...
Gordon would have to be the Host or some such, as I’m pretty sure we’d all take a Gordon-like rebound for Stewie or Wood.
by Traindogger on Nov 18, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
or maybe Wood should look up Josh Fields
and ask him about Japan, since Wood seems to be tracking Josh’s career path pretty closely.
“See ya, Pittsburgh. Headin’ out to Colorado Springs to hit a few bombs, then I’ll just keep headin’ west from there.”
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe Wood can also send a message to Matt Murton
that says ‘we sowwieee, please come back and play for us?’
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Maybe Stewart should ask Josh Field about Japan.
I’m sure they’d improve his opposite field bunting skills!
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Microwave is probably too much
I’d go with easy bake over you found at a garage sale
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Yesterday's RP went almost 700 comments.
I hope today isn’t a slow day.
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so it should be busy? LOL
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Woo hoo!!!
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 18, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta post lots on Friday
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
I'm also over on Amazin Avenue(Mets) seeing if Murphy is actually availible.
One guy said that pretty much anyone on their team is tradeable. He had the nerve to ask me if we would trade Tulo for Murphy and Bay? He got a simple NO answer.
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ask them
if they’ll trade Ike Davis for Chris Nelson and Al Albuquerquer
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Wait? What?
Oh icwydt. Ok. LOL
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
I wonder if a Street + Wigginton combo would work to get Murphy
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Minaya isn't their GM anymore...
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Only if they are streets ahead.
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Is this serious?
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Is this serious?
That’s horrible.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hell, they would take CDI and a pitching prospect for Murphy. Then, they would take half Bay's salary and we could get him also
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!?!?
CDI and prospect is not Street and Wigginton.
To get value, we have to give up talent. Young talent. Not guys you don’t want on our team, or guys that make too much money.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They don't want either of those 2.
It was the first thing that popped into my head. After going over to their blog site. They would like a catcher and a prospect for Murphy at least. They asked if we had catchers and someone said that Rosario is off limits so I went with CDI.
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and they liked it.
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Maybe we could work out a 3 way with Tor since they like street and are loaded
with Catching talent
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Wonder if Johnson is still availible.
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Bettis + CDI, that could work for Murphy.
But not a middle-tier pitching prospect
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They are just looking for someone who could be ready in 2-3 years.
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Here is what was said
I’d hope the Mets could get a little more in return for Murphy…perhaps somebody younger who’ll be around in 2-3 years when this team should be ready to compete.
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Bettis and Wheeler would both likely surpass Mejia as their top P prospects this year
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Wheeler can pitch?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Zach
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Oh....heh
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
That's overpaying for me
Murphy had a .345 BABIP with about a league average LD rate. and was a 1 WAR player the previous two years.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
So who would you send?
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He is a great fit here at Coors.
But I do agree, I wouldn’t want to trade Chad Bettis either.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
So we won't spend on free agents (although that doesn't concern me)
and we won’t spend on the draft (which is concerning), and we won’t outbid ourselves for trade options (concerning), where are we getting players from?
I’m sorry but if we lose out on upgrades to the major league roster b/c we won’t include Blackmon or Wheeler or other non-superstar in the making players, DOD will need to go. Prado is only 27 or 28 and he’s proven to be a good major league player and we just can’t say the same about the two players i mentioned above. I understand the risk after the down year last year but it’s a risk i’m willing to make if I’m GM.
We didn't spend on the 2011 draft
We did big time in 2009, a little in 2010
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
You're right
I should have used didn’t instead of won’t.
But this inactivity is really frustrating and it reeks of overvaluing our own prospects again. Sign Dejesus or Murton or Willingham or any other OF but get Prado in the two hole of the lineup.
by Cargo'es Yard on Nov 18, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
This is from a poster on the Mets site about what it would take to get Murphy
I’d hope the Mets could get a little more in return for Murphy…perhaps somebody younger who’ll be around in 2-3 years when this team should be ready to compete.
So who, in our system, could be ready in 2-3 years down the road?
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Everyone
who isn’t Arenado, Bettis, or Rosario…
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maybe this is something DOD should look into
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Murphy could be a trade candidate, although coming off a season ending injury, his value is probably deflated.
But I do think he’ll be trade bait at some point in the relative future since 1st and 3rd are covered with Ike Davis and David Wright, we’ve got some depth at 2nd with Tejada (if Reyes is re-signed), Havens, Valdespin and even Turner and I just don’t think the outfield is a legitimate long term option for Murphy. His defense was below average and it’s not like he’s got the power bat to make up for the bad defense.
Turner?
Don’t think Turner is ‘set’ to play second.
At least he’d better not be the opening day 2nd baseman.
Duda is our starting RF, for the moment. Davis is playing first, not Duda.
This makes me think that maybe there is a chance at getting him.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
He's definitely an attractive trade target
the biggest thing he has going against him is that he’s left-handed but his splits don’t look tooooo bad. He could essentially play 2b for us and also give us what Wigginton offers with better defense and less pop. I wonder if the Mets have any interest in Wigginton since they seem to have their roster in flux (though they probably wouldn’t for 4mil)…
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This is a 1st sentence a guy stated
Ty Wigginton has no value to this team whatsoever.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Smart man
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I told him he has no value to us either.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
They are looking for starting pitching and a catcher.
CDI maybe?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Nah
by dealing CDI we’d then use Murphy to replace CDI’s value – so it would be a lateral move for us. (unless of course you happen to think Rosario is ready to take over and be awesome, but that’s a different discussion)…
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We'd probably need a nice starting pitching prospect back then.
Or somebody like Rosario or Arenado. Murphy’s a really good doubles hitter and could really flourish in Coors with those big gaps.
I told them they those 2 are off limits. They had better throw Wright in on that deal also if he wants to talk foolishness.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
I don't know much about Chris Iannetta---this is from them
but on the surface, Iannetta for Murphy sounds like a reasonable trade. We’ll even throw in Jason Bay and Jeff Wilpon.
Interesting.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
if they cover half of bay's salary
do it
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
I asked if they could do that.
Here was the response.
Where do we sign?
I get the feeling that they don’t want him there no more. He is owed 16 million a year until 2013.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
He's also got an easily attainable vesting option for 2014.
If he gets 600 plate appearances in 2013 or 500 plate appearances combined between 2012 and 2013, his club option for $17M becomes guaranteed. Let’s just say that that option vesting would be a tragedy for us and there’s a pretty good shot of it happening, unless the Mets bench Bay or cut him outright (or trade him to a team like the Rockies).
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Nah. Jim Tracy would work his matchupz and we wouldn't have to worry about it
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
So if the Mets trade him, does that vesting option get voided?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Nope.
It’d be passed onto your team.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
damn.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Do you really see us giving Bay 500 PA in both 2012-13?
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maybe. But I think that is both years combined for 500 PA's. Not just one year
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Cot's reads like this
2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013 or 500 PAs in both 2012, 2013
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I think Rosario could possibly take the reins.
Iannetta+ pitching prospect for Murphy. I could do that.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Dang
Well, since we’re not competing for a couple of years, I’m thinking any trade that might involve Murphy could involve prospects that aren’t quite ready.
Any catching prospects down on the farm? The Mets really have nil in this area down on the farm.
This is something that I was asked. I told them that Rosario is off limits.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
If Chacin has an ERA of 2.73 next year, his record is going be a lot better than 11-10
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3.73
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Oh goddamnit, that said 3.73
I just woke up, barely.
Leave me alone.
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you leave me alone first
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Question.
Would you trade CDI and a pitching prospect for Daniel Murphy, and Jason Bay if the Mets were to cover half his salary?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Yes that is 16 Million to Bay over the next 2 years with his career .917 OPS against LHP
and a 2B/3B/LF with an above average bat and lose Iannetta who while better than Rosario not by as much as having those two would help
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I would hate to see CDI go but to get 2 players that are already playing in MLB wouldn't be a bad thing.
Murphy can also play 1st. He’s not the best but he can fill in for Helton. In addition, IF, we can get rid of Wiggy. That would help more.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
In lue of paying cash I would make them take Wiggy and his salary
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They wouldn't want Wiggy.
That’s the problem
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
Nobody wants wiggy
but everybody thinks we can just trade him
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
We can try. That's about it.
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Haha we overvalue our own players
Even Ty Wigginton.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
I don't value him at all.
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But we all think he's worth something in a trade somehow
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
well of course. We want him gone. Isn't that part of the game?
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Yes
It was just a joke
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
yea, I know.
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No...
he actually brings a trade down. Its a negative effect
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Thats the thing
It takes legit prospects to get deals done. The Nats got Wilson Ramos for matt capps.
At the same time, we have to part with some of our prospects and remember they are Prospects for a reason, because they aren’t in the MLB. They project to the MLB at some point, but they don’t always pan out. About 50-60% pan out and at some point we have to part with some of them to get something that will make an impact. If it takes Bettis or Wheeler or someone to make a impact deal we should do it and quit thinking that Bettis and Wheeler are the next stars of our team.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This this this. and rec'd
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Its nice to dream
and thats basically what hot stove talk is all about but I am a realist and its hard for me to dream unrealistically because I am frustrated because I think this team is MAYBE 2 moves away from being a pretty darn good team
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
The Nats got Ramos in that deal because Bill Smith is an idiot.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
the same guy who got Carlos Gomez for Johan Santana?
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Not just Johan, but healthy good Johan.
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Healthy good inexpensive Johan
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We can trade him
but only in a Package, or if we eat Salary, ALA Mark Teahan
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
yeah huh
i hear tim in accounting say it
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
well you can't trust the ACCOUNTING guys
They hear one thing through the grapevine and then spread it like it was mandated by the CEO.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
Ahem.....
I really resent that remark.
But hey, did you hear that story about Cat and J-Dub? Pretty wild stuff!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
what?
link
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
what link?
Perhaps it would help if I explained I am an accountant…. :-)
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
what?
Who called you an accountant?!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
well you can’t trust the ACCOUNTING guys
They hear one thing through the grapevine and then spread it like it was mandated by the CEO.
I am an accounting guy. Who was spreading stories through the grapevine. Theoretically, hilarity would then ensue.
/2011’d
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
well this just got real
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
Really real?
/btw, I didn’t really resent anything….
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
I figured as much
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
But tim is still pretty ticked off...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
I thought we talked with tim about not taking things so personally
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, he told me about that conversation...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
wait, what did he say?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
just some stuff
Basically, he thinks you’ve really got a grudge against him personally.
And, of course, he told me that story about Cat and J-Dub….
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
TIIIIIIIM
/shakes fists at the sky
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
We can't be friends anymore
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Tim said you'd react like that
Personally, I don’t think you have anything to be embarassed about…..
I mean, somebody had to post his bail…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
And as far as we know SDcat09 doesn't exist
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JFK
paying 8 mil of bay's salary is a much better deal
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
and just trade Wiggy for someone else?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
if we unload street also
we could just straight up cut wiggy
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
plus if we could get rid of Street's salary also?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Lineup
Fowler-CF
Prado-2nd
Cargo-RF
Tulo-SS
Helton-1st
Murphy-3B
Bay-LF
Rosario-C
Pitcher
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
or Prado can play 3rd and Murphy 2nd
whichever floats your boat.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
I have heard Murphy's ankles are an issue at 2B
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I have read this also. I don't see it as much of a problem.
Get Tulo working with him and he’ll figure it our real quick. LOL
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
With Blackmon, Pacheco, Stewart, FA C/Morales/ Giambi on the Bench?
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Or we move stewit and put EY2 in that spot
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could be a possibility
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
Murphy makes Stewie redundant
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Bye Ian.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
I'm telling you, if we trade Ian
he will automatically become a Rockie slayer. But also, I like the Murphy/Bay trade as a hypothetical hot stove move.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
I think it would be a good deal. I would rather have Murphy instead of Bay but that is me.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Oh yeah
But if they’re willing to throw Bay in and eat some salary, why not?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
it depends if Bay can stay healthy and this
If he gets 600 plate appearances in 2013 or 500 plate appearances combined between 2012 and 2013, his club option for $17M becomes guaranteed. Let’s just say that that option vesting would be a tragedy for us and there’s a pretty good shot of it happening, unless the Mets bench Bay or cut him outright (or trade him to a team like the Rockies).
This vesting option would follow him to Denver.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
But we can control how many ABs
He gets by benching him – push comes to shove, you sit him after 499 (or 599) ABs. Or is that against the rules? It’s Friday, I’ve had a big lunch, so maybe I’m oversimplifying that.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
You let him play for Jim Tracy...He will take care of the rest.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, and Bay is going to love that
And throw the Rockies “classy organization” tag right out the window.
by ShadowPenguin on Nov 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
If he is playing well enough to get 500 PA
we will be able to move him
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flip him for someone else. I like this idea.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
How Awesome would a Bay revival look here
I wouldn’t mind Giving him a look a at 1B if he returned to the 900+ Ops range
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1B? I thought we was set there?
We already have a 1B/DH
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I meant 2013-14
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Gotcha
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That is the hope with Bay
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It's going to be a sad day in baseball
when being acquired by the Mets is no longer a kiss of death.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Just be glad that massive Houstoin market
is leaving the NL
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
why would I be glad
that the worst team in the NL is leaving the NL?
Who else is going to sweep us right after we get a new manager and right before we go on a hot streak to finish out the season?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Because an intelligent owner/smart GM
could make them another Philly
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
did they get a new GM?
I thought just a new owner…though I guess a new GM isn’t necessarily far behind…
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I imagine that will be in due course
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Plus with LH OF in the Upper System
It should be easy to keep him under 500/600
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
If were willing to pay him 8 mil per year.
Wouldn’t it be easier to go after Willingham who would be cheaper and the one that is that impact RH OF bat?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
You think Willingham takes 8 Million?
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I don't know
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I do and Willingham doesn't come in a
package deal with Murphy
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You think the Hammer is going to get more than 8 million?
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Yeah I see at least 3/30
A power RH Bat at LF/RF/1B with no platoon split?
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Just think what he could do in Coors?
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if he returned to Bos/Pit form 35-40 HR
wouldn’t be out of the question
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
He hit 29 last year.
98 RBI’s. I would plug him 5th into the lineup.
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heh
you two are talking about different players
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Does it really matter?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
lololololol
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Now that you say that...oops
Im talkinga bout the Hammer and he is talking about Bay. Both would work, but who would be better?
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I was thinking Bay, yeah I love the Hammer
If we had added him and Napoli last year like I really wanted/advocated for we might have hit our way into the playoffs
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
NOT JASON BAY
Dude is so washed up it’s not even funny.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I was hoping for the Hammer also but Napoli. I wasn't so sold on.
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I didn't think he would do what he did
but saw him as an excellent second catcher RH 1B option I saw a lineup against LHP that had Iannetta at C, Napoli at 1B, and Willingham in RF I assure you that if it had happened we wouldn’t have had a .700 OPS against LH
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There really aren't any such players in the league right now though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Would you make that trade?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Stop
You’re WAY overvaluing our players and not giving enough away for what you want. CDI + Prospect for Murphy and $8M Bay?? C’mon.
It’ll take prospects, and legit prospects, to get those two guys. Not CDI.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well since everyone says that Rosario is off limits, they need a decent starting catcher.
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Do they really dislike Thole already?
He just turned 25 and he’s been solid
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
They said they need a starting catcher and maybe a starting pitcher but
also looking for someone that could be 2-3 years down the road.
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One year of iannetta?
Mets need pitching and they will go after our pitching. And not guys like Scahill, I’m talking Bettis ++
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Btw, Rosario isn’t ‘off limits’.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm just relaying what someone else said.
So you would be willing to trade Rosario?
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Yes
Not for a probably washed up outfielder or Daniel Murphy though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Murphy is just an option at 2nd or 3rd. He is availible according to the Mets.
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Yes, I would trade Rosario in the right deal.
Murphy/Bay isn’t that deal though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wright then?
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nope
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No.
We don’t want Wright, not with Nolan Arenado flying through our system.
I’d trade Rosario for a top-flight pitcher/second baseman/outfielder. I mean Danks + Beckham. Or Heyward. Only then would I unload Rosario
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You actually think we are going to pry Heyward from ATL?
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That's not what I said.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’d trade Rosario for a top-flight pitcher/second baseman/outfielder. I mean Danks + Beckham. Or Heyward. Only then would I unload Rosario
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that doesn't mean the Rockies are going to land Jason Heyward.
It means if that opportunity arose, he’d make the trade.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
I presume Rosario would be part of a package in this hypothetical
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
I wish O'D would take a vow of silence....
…at least as far as the media is concerned. It’s so depressing to read this stuff day after day.
I know he’s posturing, and I know he’s working behind the scenes to do good things, etc, etc, etc. but my tolerance for hearing about internal options and not making moves for the sake of making moves is wearing thin.
Perhaps if, just once, he could add to his usual quote something like “…that said, our entire focus is on making this team better and getting back into contention”. Just give me a little something to hang on to, man! :)
But if he said that
wouldn’t we just dismiss it as posturing too? It’s not as though his actions could be construed as backing up such a statement.
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It would be nice to see him actaully do something instead of just talking about stuff.
Get a couple of good players, make some noise in the division and see if anyone notices.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
True that
But on the other hand, it’s not O’Dowd’s fault that all he has to do is ride in the same elevator with Jamey Carroll’s agent to make Troy Renck wet his pants with excitement. When a stenographer like Renck will put a positive twist on damn near anything, it’s little wonder O’Dowd makes statements that seem hollow to people who are actually paying attention.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Haha rec'd for truth
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Starting a movement: Dave Krieger for Rockies beat writer!
Sorry Armstrong got the heave, but he was too much like Renck anyway. Krieger would call ’em like he sees ’em, and provide a very nice contrast.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
I love Krieger
Even if he was on the wrong side of Jack Morris/Bert Blyleven
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
I love listening to Krieger
In the afternoons during football season on Dave Logan’s show on KOA – he really is a straightforward guy
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I also enjoy Krieger very much.
He enjoys us very much.
It’s a good relationship.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
There is no new news
in this piece, but Jayson Stark does a nice job of breaking down the importance of the Astros moving to AL and two extra Wild Cards being added. We really are on the verge of a new era in baseball.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 PM MST reply actions
I still think it should've been the Brewers moving but whatever those decided to do.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
The Brewers in the AL West does not make geographic sense
And that’s before you take into consideration some of the storylines that have developed over the years between them and a couple of other teams in that division.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
You move the Brewers to the AL Central and move KC to the AL West.
Just my opinion
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Bud would never move his Daughter's Brewers...
They’d lose all that $$ from the Cub Fans. Nice piece by Karhl on ESPN yesterday on how the Brewers weren’t moved to the AL.
Exactly
I love the Brewers – Cards – Cubs hate triangle… add that to the fact that Milwaukee is further East than Kansas City and Minnesota, who both play in the Central.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Yes.
People treat the Astros as if they have these long-standing rivalries with the Pirates and Reds or something. Their history of regularly playing half of the teams in the central as division rivals is almost as long as Milwaukee’s.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
or almost as short as.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
Beating a dead horse here, but I hate the extra Wild Card
A team that wins 94 or 95 games and happens to finish 2nd, shouldn’t get stuck in a win-or-go-home game with the 5th-best team in its league, who might be 8 or 10 games behind them. And that’s exactly the kind of dumb scenario this sets up.
That, and a second Wild Card would have killed the most exciting night of baseball in years – which we all just enjoyed a few weeks ago.
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beating dead horse gif here.
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The second Wild Card brings back the importance of winning the division. I love that because that’s how baseball had always been. I’m all for it.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely
Two one-game playoffs EVERY YEAR?! It’ll be like the last day of the 2011 season… every… single… year… and that doesn’t even take into account the extra drama for teams scrambling just to get a spot in that one-game playoff – suuuuper excited.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
So would this cancel out a game 163 chance or is this one game playoff thing "the" game 163?
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Technically
I think there can still be a game 163 as long as two teams are tied for the 2nd wildcard spot – if two teams are tied for 1st place in the wildcard spot, then yes, this would replace game 163.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
It depends on the system they come up with, but I bet that there would still be Game 163s.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
Indeed
With the way ratings are for baseball – and the seemingly pervasive attitude that baseball is “boring” – I’ll take all of the sudden death I can get.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Well I don't think you want too much sudden death because it can become a fluke in baseball
But I do feel that a one game possible fluke is the perfect penalty/opportunity for teams who were good/not good enough to win their divsion.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
This is like a controlled sudden death – even a 7 game series is probably too small of a sample size to dictate the outcome of a 162 game season
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
What's really gonna be awesome is years where there's a tie for the second Wild Card Spot and then you get even more one game playoffs
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
So what if one team is pulling out all the stops to win its division
and another is nestled comfortably in 5th place in its league – a shoo-in for the second Wild Card, but no chance of anything more? The latter team can rest up and throw its Ace in the play-in game, with a rested bullpen, while the former team enters that game gassed. Neither of these teams won its division (which I agree should hold importance), but one of them is being given at least a 50-50 shot at the Division Series, when they don’t deserve it.
I think the playoffs are just right, in the current format. Better to have a few good teams on the outside looking in, rather than dumb down the playoffs like the NHL and NBA do.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
That's why you win the division.
No one is going to want to play that one-game playoff if they can avoid it. I dislike that a team that doesn’t win its division is on equal footing now. It cheapens the 162-game season. There are always these oddities like the one you describe, but any situation in which winning the division returned to importance is a better system.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
I hardly think
Adding one more game to the playoffs deserves comparisons to the NHL, where half of the teams in the league get a shot at a best of 7 series.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And I view it less as a round of the playoff and more of a reward/incentive to win you division
The 162 game season now has more meaning because you are fighting to avoid this mess. If you’re the better team in your divsion over the long haul, you won’t have an issue.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
With the talk of a move to an almost-balanced schedule,
this seems to be a likely though. Though money is what is driving this the most, as always.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
The current format has already produced several divsion winners who have had records worse than potential wild card teams who did not get in at all
No system short of completely stripping away the divsions and taking the best teams from each league record wise is going to be perfect. Your scenario is worst case but it’s really the only MAJOR negative with this new formula and I believe it’s outweighed by the positives.
And even in your scenario, the team who was wronged still will only have themselves to blame for two reasons – 1) Failing to win their divsion…and…2) Losing a game at home to a weaker team. Everyone will know the rules going in – It will be about executing so you can best take advantage of them.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
My idea for the wild card play-in game
I think the reward for winning your division should be emphasized more. And while adding a second WC per league may sound like watering down the relevance of the season, it can truely make the importance of winning the division as well as having the best overall record in the league an importnat goal.
Step 1… get rid of the stupid rule that prevents teams in the same division from playing each other prior to the CS round. In a way it has to be this way if the WC teams play each other since they can both be in hte same division already.
Step 2… make the WC round a single play in game – which seems like that’s how it will be anyway.
Step 3… MLB really should look at this as an opportunity to improve the game, not to bring in additional revenue.
Step 4…. do not give either WC team a home field advantage – an additional byproduct of this is neither team gets the additional stadium revenue created by the extra game and can only sell home tickets if they make it on to the division series… and this is how I’d like to implement the whole scenario.
Teams are seeded 1-3 by record between the division winners and 4a and 4b by the WC teams… no advantage for either one over the other.
First day of playoffs #2 seeds host #3 seeds in the first game of each division series… yes, that is correct, the division series starts BEFORE the WC play in games. Second day of playoffs, the same teams play again.
Third day, the #2 and #3 teams are on travel day, and the other teams play a Day-Night Doubleheader at seed #1’s home park! Day game is the WC play in game with the WC team with the better record having the choice as to if they wish to bat in the top or bottom of the inning. At the conclusion of the game, the #1 team takes the field for batting practice. That night the first game of the other division series’ start with the #1 seeds virtually guaranteed to be able to use their Ace SPs and a fully rested BP. The WC winner is thereby at a true disadvantage.
If a WC team manages to win the WS in this format, they will have truely deserved it by playing the best post season baseball (or divine intervention) and it will really be important to win your division rather than using the cliche line “We just want to get in and from there anything can happen”
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Decent value move
There’s some depth and the Rockies have a habit of taking guys that are a longshot but still have potential to develop. It’s like an Ian Stewart swing — probably you’ll strike out but once in awhile you crush one. This isn’t a bad move unless they try to build the whole team this way.
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I just asked my Angel fan friend about Wood
his response: “He seems to be a really nice kid that genuinely works hard, so I’ll always root for him, but its shocking how bad he is at the plate…Stewart is Ruthian compared to Wood.”
so we signed him up anyways.
Way to check things out there DOD.
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Yeah, because Wood flopping would hurt the franchise SO bad
Not like he gave him $10mil. There is no downside
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
Alex Gordon
was about left for dead then he hit .303 last year I think, don’t hold me to that but I think he hit over .300
then there are other top prospects that were left for dead that well…deserved to be left that way
minimal investment…its like buying Ford Motor stock for .50 cents a share and buying a 50 of them. You could be out $25 bucks or you could make $1000 bucks. A lot of times I’ll take that chance
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
I can see your point.
Maybe, it will do him some good.
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Gordon was a lot better 2007-10 than Wood was 2007-2011
but no one would expect a 7 WAR season from Wood either
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
yes. it wasn’t the best example. but a lot of ppl had given up on him.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 18, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
There is a never ending list of guy who "get it" after a change of scenery
maybe just maybe this is the change he needs
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Plus outside of Gomez and Field we don't have a lot of emergency MIF help
for the next two years
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I actually love this trade, at least would has a small chance of breaking out
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sorry signing
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Dang dude
He’s getting paid next to nothing – it’s a move for some depth in the minors.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
You need to think things out a little more before you post
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 18, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw this really interesting article earlier about Wood
Before anybody flips out about Wood being a terrible excuse for the “big acquisition” the Rockies need to make this offseason, remember that Wood is on a Minor League contract and is really there for AAA depth. That said, he could be one of those absurdly late bloomers and suddenly find that MLB potential that had him and Stewart drafted in the 1st round.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
i think i wet my bed.
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seriously, who writes this tripe
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
It's hard being positive about
under performing Wood.
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Oh like you care....
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
about wood?
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at least about under performing wood....
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
uh link??
;-)
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I heard the Rockies are interested
in Youk.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 18, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Link
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It's part of the new, super-aggressive offseason mindset
by Northsider1964 on Nov 18, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
Are we upgrading the offseason status
from easy-bake to toaster-oven?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Renck tweets
Edwar Cabrera and Christian Friedrich added to the 40-man
Andrew Brown also outrighted off. No real surprises there. Is Parker Frazier the frontrunner for the last spot?
The Rockies also outrighted Andrew Brown.
Leaving the 40 man at 38 and a big question mark regarding Eliezer Alfonzo’s status.
IUt appears that regardless the Rockies are choosing not to fill the roster at this point with Cory Riordans like they did last year. The only PuRPs left unprotected were Albert Campos (whom they’re counting on the injury-plagued 2011 to protect) and Cristhian Adames, whose eligibility is still an unknown. Everyone else, from Frazier/Zuanich/Houston on down is not really necessarily a huge loss if they’re taken via the draft.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 18, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
Fine with the Wood signing, i guess, but theirs nothing more deflating to our fan base right now than hearing O’dowd say that if they overvalue a guy we want, even marginally from the sound of it, that we are going to give up and say “just what you wanted EY/herrera/nelson!” I am personally very dissatisfied with O’dowd, but he knows more than I do, so who cares. Byebye 2012
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I think it was CCR who orginally said this:
But it’s November freaking 18th.
by steakman on Nov 18, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect, its just November 18th. But really, you are not the slightest bit worried that O’clown will bail on a trade that we need? Wiggington and Lopez were real winners last year…
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by avsfanatic33 on Nov 18, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, I'm a little worried given O'Dowd's conservative approach
to free agency and trades involving our prospects.
But it’s ridiculous to say “byebye 2012” when we haven’t even gotten to the Winter Meetings yet. During the later parts of the season and thus far in the offseason, Dan O’Dowd’s made a lot of noise about making a couple big moves this offseason, and all reports we’ve heard indicate that he’s going aggressively after Oswalt, is really pushing hard for Prado, etc.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
Nah, borders too close to like anti sedition laws
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
John Adams says "go for it"...
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Weird to think that finding ORIGINAL insults toward O'Dowd is suddenly relevant again.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
Like something straight out of the DP comment section
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Lol that's a pretty big boom roasted
Unless your name is NorthSider
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 19, 2011 12:21 AM MST up reply actions
I think it's a little premature to make that statement (Nov 18th, as steakman points out)
If DOD comes out and says “Prado is the only thing we’ve ever wanted, and we’re going to do what it takes to get him,” the Braves will respond with “Give us more.” If DOD says “we can take it or leave it,” the Braves may be more willing to accept the current package.
Maybe this is my hopeless optimism, but I trust O’Dowd to do the right thing here.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
OT: It just keeps getting better for him.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-paterno
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Let's see where this goes
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ahd0r5ROH.RrW0Rc8DhwT8w5nYcB?slug=ap-labor
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Good thing we signed Cargo when we did.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Am2OcR3h04QWQqqMbNwNLII5nYcB?slug=ap-dodgers-kemp
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eh, different situations
Kemp had 1 year left till free agency, Cargo still had 4
Cargo’s last year is pretty much the same price as Kemps yearly average
Right so we have Cargo 25-32 for 70 Million
They have Kemp 27-35 for 180
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I'm not sure how to take this.
Did we get a better deal or is Kemp a better player?
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1) Yes 2) No
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 PM MST up reply actions
exactly
Cargo is a better defender and could easily have the year Kemp had this year, and we basically signed him to cost assured Arb plus a 3 year contract from 29-32
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So Kemp had a "fluke year"?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
wasn't trashing Kemp, would love to have him but paying 20 Mil to a 30-35 YO CF
with below average D and roller coaster seasons is worse than paying a CF/RF with excellent D 18 mil AAV 29-32
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Ryan Doumit signed with the Twins.
1yr/3million. At least we don’t have to worry about those weird eyes anymore
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The Padres have released Alberto Gonzalez. He can play 2nd base.
Opinions?
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If the Padres option a guy....
I definitely do not want him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
position player*
I should’ve specified.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 18, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
This isn't that bad of a move
I got a chance to see Wood play a lot when he was still in triple A for the Angels and he’s always been a favorite of mine. I still remember that grand slam he hit off of the Rockies two years ago. I think he’s bound to succeed eventually, the Rockies just need to patient with him. By patient I mean they need to give him 2 or 3 years.
Then again...
This is coming someone who thought Ryan Shealy would succeed at the big league level so who knows.
by Matthew Culley on Nov 18, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
Wood could spend all 2 or 3 of those years
in Colorado Springs, if he elected to stick around that long.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
Well my thinking is
in 2 or 3 years he’ll suddenly break out in the bigs and hit a ton. If he’s the next Jayson Werth/Jose Bautista.
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Ugh
ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.
Hopefully Nolan will handle his business with Borass the way CarGo did, not the way Holliday did…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
OH HELL NO!
Cargo better cast his magic over Nolan otherwise, we may be paying him a lot of money later on.
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can we trade
Arenado two or three times really quickly so that he ends back up with us and so that he’ll value long-term security?
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by Resolution on Nov 18, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
honestly, the only pause this gives me
Is that he will be 26 when he needs to be extended or traded, which should be in the middle of his peak. It would suck to give him up at Tulo’s current age.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 6:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Meh. Boras is also CarGo's agent.
So I’m fine with it.
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Until Boras costs us a great player because he is greedy. Will you still be fine with it then?
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we don't loseout because Boras is greedy
his clients are still in charge. Arenado signed with Boras because he likes the way he does business, simple as that.
It doesn’t actually change anything, just makes it much more likely that Arenado will hit free agency.
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Boras does what his clients want.
as any decent agent should do. I don’t begrudge him nor do I think he is the devil. He’s just an agent. He’ll get his 10% or whatever cut, but he acts on behalf of his clients.
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but it just seems that all his clients get overpaid. It may be the players but he has a hand in it.
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It takes two parties to reach that agreement
the player/rep and the team. They can’t get that much money without someone offering it.
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so this is what happened with Holliday?
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Yes, Holliday chased the big contract
Holliday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I thought we had a nice contract for him.
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And it
was ultimately Holliday who chose not to accept the offer
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we offered something like a 4 year $80mil extension
Which would have netted him around $100mil over 5 years. I don’t remember the exact figures, but that is close. He wanted more, and he got more. But that worked out.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
wanted Market value can't blame him
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But our offer was a higher $ average per year
so the difference was that the Rockies were not willing to give him the 7 year deal the Cards did. We’ll see when he hits age 35 if that was a wise decision or not.
But in terms of “market value”, the Rockies offer was definitely right there…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
it was 30 million less which is more than the Rays
will pay Longo over 8 years
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It was also 2 years less
If he’s still going well after 5 years, he more than makes up the $30 million in those last two years.
The Rockies offered more dollars. Holliday wanted the security of a deal that took him past age 35, and THAT is what the Rockies wouldn’t match. That is not the same as saying the Rockies didn’t offer him market value, which is patently untrue.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:53 PM MST up reply actions
they offered him 30 million less than the open
market payed him, that is by definition below market value. I don’t think they low balled him and think it would have been really funny if they had offered him a big FA contract after we had received Cargo for him.
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The Rockies offer also
came 1 year earlier, when that might have been market value for his talents. The next year it wasn’t.
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So I guess 1 year $50 million would have been a huge insult?
But 75 years, $225 million would have blown everybody else away?
You can’t just look at total dollars in the deal and say that the team that offered the most $$ set the “market value”. The Rockies were willing to pay him more $ per year than he accepted from the Cardinals. He passed up some of the $ per year the market was willing to pay him in order to get the security of a longer deal than the Rockies wanted to offer…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 19, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
since he is unlikely to recieve a 2/30
deal as a 35 yo LF you have to see that as part the compensation Holliday was the best LF in baseball and wanted to be paid that way
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He rejected 5/90 and recieved 7/120 a year later
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Holliday and the Rockies couldn't agree to mutually satisfying terms
Eventually he would have left in free agency for more money. So the Rockies traded him to get something back. Thankfully that something ended up being CarGo, Street and Greg Smith.
I think in the end it was a win/win for everyone.
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yes it has.
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yes that was a win
/I kid
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Heh. I couldn't leave out all the pieces of the trade
because I’m sure someone would have reminded me of the omission.
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:)
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Is Muzia hanging around?
I probably would have noted it as well
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Ryan Spilborghs agrees that he is overpaid
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It takes both parties to agree to the terms
The salaries are crazy of course, but if the owners didn’t want pay it, it wouldn’t be paid.
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I'm glad Tulo isn't with Boras. We would be in big trouble.
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Carlos Gonzalez is with him though
and look what he did last year. Dexter Fowler is as well, so we will see how that works out
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Dex is one of his also? I didn't know that
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Would we? We managed to sign CarGo with Boras.
If Tulo wants to be a Rockie, he’ll be a Rockie regardless of his agent, IMO
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OH MY GOD, SO BORAS IS GOOD AT HIS JOB
BURN HIM
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'll bring the pitchforks also if you want. LOL
He has a job to do and that is to make money for his clients and make a little for himself. I understand. It just seems he is a pain in the butt.
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its in his job description
It doesn’t say “accept whatever any team offers”. It says “get your client employed and monetarily compensated in his most preferable situation.” Just so happens most people prefer a job with the highest salary possible.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Players have to get paid to play. He sure has had some some doozies though
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That's because he's good at his job.
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And those "doozies" are some of the best players in the game
Ryan Spilborghs is not
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I agree
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Ryan was good at his job until last year...
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I would argue
he’s good at getting them multiple offers for them to decide from. Those offers tend to be for a lot of money though
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That's his job. To get multiple and best offers
as dictated by his clients.
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So I take Cargo did NOT do this.
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CarGo wanted stability
and was tired of being traded. So he and Boras worked with the Rockies to find a mutually satisfactory contract.
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Along with playing with Tulo.
I think he saw/sees a good window of opportunity to win here with Tulo et al.
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I hope he can convince Arenado to do the same.
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Who? CarGo or Boras?
If you mean Boras, remember the client tells the agent(Boras) what he/she wants. Boras works to get that for the client.
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Cargo. Convince him to take a good deal fro stability and then after a few years. Get what he can.
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Tulowitzki
has that influence on people (see Giambi, Jason)
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While I agree with you
there’s a lot of talk of Boras gaming big market teams against each other via less-than-true statements about offers and interest.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, it's his job
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
Lying about the Yankees/Sox being interested?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 PM MST up reply actions
Is he actually stating what teams are interested
or just giving false impressions to the media? We may never know this, but we do know he’s good at whatever he does
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maybe we shouldn't have written so much about him
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
I blame Muzia
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by Junction Rox on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
as well you should
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
:-(
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From Twitter:
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Indians in serious discussions with Sizemore on one-year deal. One source says, “70-30.” Another says, “very likely.”
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That is really mixing messages
It suggests that they value him, just at a lesser rate than he could have picked up in arbitration… but I was under the impression that he might be able to get more money as a FA than he would have in arbitration anyway.
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They declined his $8.5mil option
He won’t make that on the open market.
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Is this the time for us to sign him?
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what
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 6:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sizemore. If they declined. Doesn't that make him a FA?
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They declined his option
But all indications are he’s going to re-sign with them for less than his $8.5 million option.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Ok I understand now. Thanks.
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the declined like a month ago
That’s why we have been talking about him ad nauseum for weeks
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
According to Buster Olney the Yankees are willing to listen to teams who are
Willing to deal for Nick Swisher. Not marketing him, but they are listening to anyone.
OMG..What would that take?
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about $10.25mil
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Can we trade them Street?
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plus others
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Soriano, Rivera, Robertson...
they really don’t need another impact bullpen arm.
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Matt Reynolds might intrigue them
they would want brothers but they can’t have him
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They've got Robertson and Soriano
I don’t think they need Street
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 18, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
so what would it take?
I hate thinking of the possibilities.
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$10.25 million dollars and a mid level prospect,most likely.
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Like a Wheeler? Blackmon?
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Mid level
Rafael Ortega or Kent Matthes type would be my thought
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There is no way we could swing getting him is there?
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I'd rather not pay 8 figures for Swisher
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 18, 2011 7:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that's what I was figuring.
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If he brings his wife I could get behind it...
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Awwww yeah.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
That’s something that we can all get behind.
/ifyouknowwhatimean
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
The cost is prohibitive
But he’s a switch hitting OF/1B who has a better RHB v LHP split. I like the IDEA of him.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
If he wasn't so expensive
and around for 2 years I might pursue this…He’d be a pretty solid OF/1b guy for us…
Maybe next offseason when we have some clarity around Helton (though Swish would still probably cost a bit too much…)
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like Francisco Cordero is threatening to leave Cincinnati unless they improve their offer
Very curious to know how much he ends up getting at age 36…if its ~$10M/yr, teams like the Jays may have no choice but to make a more aggressive run at Street
hey,
are you really made of steak?
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I looked it up too
Texas Water Safety Act!
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I'm assuming that it's
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Here's a blurb about Alex White
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/reader-mailbag-the-upside-of-alex-white/
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#3 as his upside eh?
Hm.
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And a comparison of Tyler Matzeks
http://www.baseball-intellect.com/breaking-down-the-struggles-of-tyler-matzek/
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This is a really really good article
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I'm a bit concerned about the fact that
Mike Olt might win the AFL MVP tomorrow. I know that it is relatively meaningless, and there is a curse related to it, but asI read about Olt, he seems to have had the more blockbuster six weeks.
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Would be a shock if he did...
Since Arenado was named the AFL MVP this morning, according to Rizzo. It was posted on Rotoworld as well. But, both Rizzo and NBC’s Rotoworld have been wrong before…
It's not awarded until tomorrow.
Rizzo tweeted that Arenado had won it because Weathers tweeted that Arenado was the MVP at the order of Stu Cole. He isn’t actually the MVP.
And, while Arenado was player of the week for Week 4 of the league, Olt was player of the week in both Weeks 5 & 6. He is also second all-time in AFL HRs and RBIs at the moment.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 18, 2011 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like Sizemore will stay an Indian
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whoah, did he sign?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:53 PM MST up reply actions
Per Buster Olney
“Deal between the Indians and Grady Sizemore will be done, source says.”
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interesting.
good catch
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Sigh....I've been in lockout hell with the NBA (writing waaaay too much about BRI's and such)
and I come here to see if the Rockies have, you know, made a splash…improved the roster and whatnot.
And I find out they have signed an infielder who will most likely never make the roster.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
/continues weeping
I’ll be satisfied, at this point, if they make a marginal improvement at 3rd and 2nd.
Although I’m anticipating Ian Stewart’s breeze producing swing will be again haunting my nightmares…
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by Jeffrey Morton on Nov 18, 2011 11:00 PM MST up reply actions
Whoever they get at 3B will need to be a short term 3B if we have Nolan Arenado coming up
That is, they’ll be able to transition to 1B.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 18, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions
Wood might have a legit shot at making the roster.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 19, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
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