Sunday Rockpile: Arenado officially AFL MVP, Rockies interest in Jonny Gomes may rise now
by Rox Girl on Nov 20, 2011 7:42 AM MST
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Nolan Arenado homered in the Arizona Fall League title game and claimed the league's MVP trophy (for real this time, not as myself and others prematurely gave him a week ago.)
With Grady Sizemore approaching a new deal with Cleveland, and Michael Cuddyer and Josh Willingham looking for multi-year contracts Colorado's unwilling to give, the Rockies now may be pursuing Jonny Gomes. The lefty masher Gomes has been undergoing a bit of a career shift that leaves me a little hesitant to fully endorse this plan, as some of his appeal as a player in the past was home run power that's slowly been fading as he now takes more of a gap contact and take a walk type of approach versus southpaws. That said, he's solid enough that as long as you can avoid flukey low seasons like his 2008, you're going to have a worthwhile player in a platoon with Seth Smith.
That said, I still think Gomes should be kept a "Plan B" for as long as possible. While I understand the pass on Willingham for three years, I think I'd still prefer Cuddyer at that contract length over a short term Gomes-fill as a way of bridging the current offensive gap that exists between the Rockies and the Diamondbacks and Dodgers within the division. A stagnant Los Angeles lineup isn't as much as a concern as the situation in Arizona, where the gap could widen over the next two or three seasons without a significant upgrade for the Rockies.
That last link to Troy Renck also includes his take on the playoff expansion, which I'm personally in favor of as a sudden death wild card. Many of baseball's most memorable games have been playoff play-ins, or games five or seven in playoff series, and guaranteeing that there will be at least two such all-the-marbles games each year will help maintain the current generation of fans.
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Gomes?
Say hello to Rob Deer: The Millenium Version. Gomes has has a .326 OBP the last two Seasons. Not good. Get the Hammer, he gets on-base!
As a platoon player, Gomes does get on base.
A .407 OBP against LHP’s in 2011, .378 in 2010. If we’re using Seth Smith for most of the RHP encounters and Jim Tracy does like his match-upz, Gomes would actually fit well.
and hey, the level of defense would be consistent too!
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 8:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is true,
If the Rockies were willing to take a step down defensively on Smith’s off days, Magglio Ordonez might make even more sense than Gomes as a platoon partner for Smith. After a down 2011 at 37, he’s looking to be very cheap and very short term, but he’s one of the best R vs. L batters out there.
I love me some Maggs
Prettiest right-handed swing in the majors, imo.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 20, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
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I don't understand the lack of willingness to go three years ...
with the likes of Willingham and Cuddyer. These guys are very well established, consistent, professional hitters who have always hit and aren’t especially injury prone. The chances of them hitting well for two years but then falling apart in 2014 (which is basically the fear that the reluctance to go three years represents) are very small. I get not giving multi-year contracts to relief pitchers, or super-multi year contracts (5-6 years) to SP’s. But to go out on the market only interested in very short term deals on hitters restricts you only to the kinds of players we’ve acquired in the last few years. It’s a loser mentality. We have the money, especially if we trade Street, which I’m sure we can do if we want.
I don’t get it on any level, other than opportunity cost paralysis. That’s the irrational fear that any significant deal will prevent another, better deal from being consummated in the future. Except that those “other” deals never seem to materialize. A leap of faith needs to be taken here, big time. We need to break out of this habit.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 20, 2011 9:15 AM MST reply actions
Willingham I get, as once a player gets past 35 years old,
There’s a fairly significant increase in the risk of skill attrition as well as injury. Cuddyer, on the other hand, would only hit 35 at the end of a three year contract. I probably would balk at four years, unless it was a three plus an option situation, but I’d be fairly comfortable going to three.
Our pitchers and non-Arenado hitters didn't do too well
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Which is why we shouldn't take Arenado's performance that seriously
He isn’t that good, and Paulsen and Wheeler aren’t that bad. Wheeler’s performance sure doesn’t help on the Prado front, however.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 20, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
It should be taken seriously
Give him a shot to compete in ST. If he falls apart in ST, we still have him in the minors to work on what he needs to work on.
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Arenado is that good
He finished with an OPS between Michael Choice (1.090) and Bryce Harper (1.030) both top prospects in baseball. Paulsen shows how he struggles against advanced pitching and Tim’s .791 OPS wasn’t bad, but it showed he has gaps in his swing to work on
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Are you talking about just the AFL championship game?
Or the entire AFL season?
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Gomes & Wiggy together again
It’ll be an ex-Devil Rays reunion.
I’d rather have a couple of their pitchers.
RG is an Oracle..
It wasn’t premature, it was simply describing what would soon happen.
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Looking at the list of previous AFL MVPs
And other than Hanson, it’s a veritable list of “Who’s thats?” and “Whatever happened to’s?”
2010 Dustin Ackley Mariners 2B Peoria Javelinas
2009 Grant Desme A’s OF Phoenix Desert Dogs
2008 Tommy Hanson Braves RHP Mesa Solar Sox
2007 Sam Fuld Cubs OF Mesa Solar Sox
2006 Chip Cannon Blue Jays 1B Phoenix Desert Dogs
2005 Eric Duncan Yankees 3B Grand Canyon Rafters
2004 Chris Shelton Tigers DH Grand Canyon Rafters
2003 Jason Dubois Cubs OF Mesa Solar Sox
2002 Ken Harvey Royals 1B Scottsdale Scoripions
Lets hope Arenado breaks that trend.
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Sam Fuld would like a word
He’s doing okay with the Rays
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And Grant Desme was very impressive in the minors.... before he retired due to a higher calling
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he had a great April but has been crap since
Remember, when they had one AB left in their season, he was due up, and Joe Maddon pinch hit for him with Dan Johnson, who hit .190 this season. He hadn’t been much better in his MLB career either.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
exactly.
this sam fuld crap came from his april, he still sucks
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
This Sam Fuld crap? awww.....that's pretty harsh and really
I was referring to the Legend of Sam Fuld. But one person’s legend is another person’s crap I guess.
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the legend was less then two fortnights long
Until his gifts were laid to rest one May evening
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 1:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
But legends live on no matter how long they actually lasted :)
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remember kid
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There you go :)
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Rays fans will remember
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 20, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
Nor does it matter if the legend is even true
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Eric Duncan was in our system during Spring Training last year.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
Dustin Ackley is a who's that?
He was the second overall pick in 2009 and had a pretty decent debut this year.
Tommy Hanson is a stud in the Braves rotation.
Everyone else on that list was between 22 and 25 when they won the MVP. Arenado is 20 years old, and that two years is like a decade in prospect talk.
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you took my argument away from me
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 11:44 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is the information I was fishing for
When I posted that. It still feels like there is at most two players that are decent WAR players.
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Don't think that
Ackley is a ’Who’s that?‘, but he may be a ’Whatever happened to?’ in a couple of years…
Even if we were to trade
Smith and Wheeler for Prado, I still think Gomes would be a solid addition. Blackmon is still left-handed and I think Gomes would be a solid platoon partner. Blackmon doesn’t have such bad splits but I think Gomes’ offense plus Blackmon’s defense (And to a lesser extent, his offense, depending on how he adjusts) could certainly produce equal or more than what Smith and Spliborghs gave us.
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I like Blackmon a lot, but I don't think he will produce that level of production in 2012
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I feel like him plus Gomes could really just offset the loss of Smith, and then with Prado and it’s all positive gain at that point… UNTIL ARENADO ARRIVES AND THEN ITS JUST RINGS, BABY
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by Resolution on Nov 20, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 20, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I've been pushing for Johnny Gomes all year
He’s like the good version of what we want Spilly to be, and likely won’t cost nearly as much.
I’m okay with a Cargo/Dex/Blackmon/Gomes/? outfield if Prado is manning 2B. But we need Dex to be second half Dex for it to be productive.
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whoops, I mean he won't cost too much
Gomes will be more expensive than Spilly.
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yea you had confused me with that part too
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
honda of Greeley disagrees
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 20, 2011 12:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ha, that's funny
I might make that last bit my signature.
I met a gin-soaked barroom queen in Memphis...
If that trade happens
We would have to go get another OF. Whether it was Gomes, Willingham, Cuddyer or someone else it would have to happen because there would be only below replacement level players left to fill in the gaps in the Minors.
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If they trade for Prado,
is it a certainty that he goes to the OF? His defense at 2B in 2010 was a little below average, according to both TZ and UZR. And, his defense at 3B has also been rated well by both.
It would seem with the horrendous production from 2B and 3B in 2011, that Prado would be most useful in the IF. Also, since people aren’t robots, I wonder if it’s not a coincidence that his worst offensive season came when he was switched to the OF.
(apologies if this debate has already been had)
Everyone's expecting him to be a 2B, if acquired
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 20, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Tracy would probably play him at SS and CF
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he'd be the opening day starter...
on the mound
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
Definitely second base..
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
if we acquired him
and he DIDN’T play him at 2b, I’d give up until we have a new GM and Manager.
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Unless he played 3rd
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true that
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he also
had a staph infection in his leg at some point that probably screwed up his season to a degree…
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lots of teams in on broxton
i wonder what he’ll end up signing for
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one.
He needs to show his velocity
is back up in the mid-to-upper 90s, but I would guess he signs for 2 years at $5MM/year with an option for a third year.
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 21, 2011 12:56 AM MST up reply actions
Happy Birthday to
Kenesaw Mountain Landis
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Anyone else see that EYJr. is playing in Venesualia
To try to become our 2nd Baseman?
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I read that
I love Young’s attitude towards stuff. I still think he could be a decent 2b – since defensive metrics don’t paint such a harsh picture of him. And if he has an awesome walk rate again then he could very well be a solid piece for us…
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I think EY's a hard worker as well
And maybe he can surprise everyone by making strides in winter ball.
If I were coaching EY, I would sit him down and convince him that he has a terrible arm and a below average glove. So the only way he’s ever going to become an everday 2B is with absolutely perfect fundamentals – two hands on everything; always set your feet; etc. Essentially, even though they are polar opposites athletically, he needs to field like David Eckstein.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 20, 2011 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
Is his arm bad? I always feel like some scouts questioned his defense a while back and everyone has just taken that and ran with it.
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His outfield and infield arms are completely different
From what I’ve seen his OF arm is decent while his infield arm is kind of weak. The difference being how much of a “windup” he gets. In the OF he gets to pull his arm back farther as he release doesn’t have to be nearly as fast as it does on the infield. His infield arm is weak because he has to get rid of the ball faster and generally his feet aren’t set so he gets even less on it.
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that makes sense. I still think (if we don’t have other options) that we should just give him the 2b job and leave it be for a while – rather than just keep playing 2b roulette. And with Wigginton and Jose Lopez not around I’m somewhat more optimistic….though unfortunately, Tracy is still around….
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I don't know if I want to let
EY have the 2B position, his walk and strikeout rates have been good so far in the majors (SSS obviously) but his OBP is still really low. I haven’t compared him to the other “candidates” yet (Prado isn’t included either) but whoever is the starting second baseman for the Rockies I want to be given the full shot to run with it. No merry-go-round for the first x-period of time (month maybe?). But that would all depend on Tracy, who will probably change it up after two games (if we’re lucky)
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my total thoughts on Eric Young are basically if he can play average defense at 2b (it may not look pretty, but average is average) and sport an OBP of at least .360, he pretty much deserves the job. He can steal a ton of bases and bat leadoff, and Fowler who is supposedly more comfortable in the 2-spot can bat second.
Two switch hitters at the top of the lineup with .360+ OBPs followed by CarGo, Tulo, and Helton sounds pretty good imo.
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The thing about EY2 is that given a consisten role in the lineup
he could potentially be a delino deshields/michael bourn threat at 2B/OF if his defense is even a little palatible he ought to get a look
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Sudden death wild card. Ugh.
Many of baseball’s most memorable games have been playoff play-ins, or games five or seven in playoff series, and guaranteeing that there will be at least two such all-the-marbles games each year will help maintain the current generation of fans.
Those “all the marbles” games are so special partially because they’re rare and NOT guaranteed. This is something like saying “kids really love christmas, so let’s celebrate it on the 25th of every month instead of just once a year”.
What a one-game playoff for a postseason birth will do is cheapen the regular season, place extra emphasis on the ace in a rotation rather than a strong rotation top-to-bottom. Yes, it probably will interest the sorts of fans who only bother to tune in for one game series and generally don’t go to the ballpark but it will not cause organizations or players to push harder for excellence throughout the whole year.
Unfortunately, the short-sighted push for ratings in one nationally televised game in October will most likely prevail. The hidden cost will be the ratings and ballpark attendance in June and July but no one will be able to conclusively connect the two.
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Actually,
it makes the regular season more important, because winning your division is the only way to avoid the playoff. I really like this idea.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
from the Rockies twitter feed
#Rockies have traded Ty Wigginton to Philadelhpia for a player to be named later or cash.
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by Muzia on Nov 20, 2011 5:08 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Good riddance
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Woot
That means Philly will miss the playoffs in 2012.
Ty Wiggington = cursed monkey hand.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Really?
If you’re lying to me I will hunt you down.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 20, 2011 5:11 PM MST up reply actions
Muzia wouldn't lie to you about something serious like this.
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He told me he’d be gone at the deadline. I’m still bitter about that.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, I was kinda close.
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You didn't specify which deadline
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wow. We aren't even eating any of this contract.
That’s the most surprising piece of this.
Trade Street as well, and that opens up $11mil on top of the $12mil+ that is freed up from Corpas and Cook contracts going away.
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It's just so beautiful.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 20, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
according to Renck
Rox save $2 million on deal splitting wigginton’s salary this year
Good enough for me.
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Also interesting is that we can actually get more in the deal if his option is picked up.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 20, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
He's gone.
What more could we want? ;)
It is interesting though. There’s a chance he could have some staying power there. The Thome/Wigginton bench has potential.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 20, 2011 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
Giambi/Wigginton BENCH had potential
we just never had Wigginton on the bench
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Actually we are splitting the cost save two million
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Nov 20, 2011 5:21 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is their source Alana Rizzo?
:-)
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 20, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting
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Great News
first off it’s great that wiggy is gone, good riddance. Secondly this means increased opportunity fOr Pacheco and Rosario as well as increases the likelihood of a Prato deal. Way to go rox!
How does this have anything to do with Rosario?
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
I assume he means:
Wiggy being gone creates more playing time for Pacheco that isn’t behind the plate.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 20, 2011 7:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's also what I assumed, but. . .
If Wigginton were still here, I highly highly doubt Pacheco would be here unless it’d be as starting 3B/backup C.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Great News
Rosario I mentioned because Pacheco seemed to be the other in house candidate for backup C. If he takes the wiggy 1B/3B utility spot it leaves Rosario as the only in house backup candidate
possibly
Though there could always be a JOse Morales acquisition here soon. Or Pacheco could slide behind the plate from 3rd and put Nelson or Wood in the game.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 6:13 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Might be too late for anybody to see this, so I'll probably repost it in tomorrow's RP.
Nolan Arenado’s swing – masterpiece.
Scahill has good stuff. RH bullpen option in the future.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 20, 2011 10:41 PM MST reply actions
Jim Duquett
of MLB.com thinks trading Wiggy means the Rox are making room for Arenado to make the roster out of ST. Interesting stuff.
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 21, 2011 1:04 AM MST up reply actions
No. They have been wanting to move him. They were almost going to deal him at the deadline, but failed to do so. he only played 3B once after 8/22. I think that they are focused on brining Arenado up in 2012, but this move has nothing to do with that.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 5:39 AM MST up reply actions
Well
as a 4th outfielder Johny Gomes is a real nice player but if the Rox trade Smith for Prado and bring Gomes in to start in RF then I’m not sure about that. Willingham or Cuddyer would be a much better bet even if it is for 3 or 4 years. Should be interesting to see how all of this plays out. I would almost rather the Rox dump Street for cash and use that on a deal for Cuddyer or Willingham rather than try to trade Street for a prospect or big league player and only have enough money for Gomes.
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