Monday Rockpile: An Open Letter to Ty Wigginton
by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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PrintDear Ty Wigginton,
I want to start of by saying "Best of Luck in Philadelphia". It was pretty surprising to suddenly read the tweets from Jon Morosi and Troy Renck telling us you'd been traded. Definitely put an interesting spin on an evening at the Pepsi Center watching the Avalanche lose to the Sharks in unimpressive fashion.
When the Rockies signed you to your 2-year, $8M contract, I kind of winced. I didn't see you being an impact on this team for any amount of time. You were supposed to be the backup for Rockies Organization guys, Ian Stewart and Todd Helton. You were supposed to be a platoon option at a couple of positions. But that's it: a backup. A Part-time player. The kind of role on a winning team that makes ANY sort of sense for a player coming off of a season just barely above replacement level could take. I wasn't a FAN of the acquisition, at least not at the pricetag, and we would've preferred someone like Josh Willingham, but the Rockies still went for it.
Well, what's done is done. The Rockies wanted you to come play for them, so they made an offer that would pretty much guarantee you wearing the Purple Pinstripes in 2011.
So the season began, and everything was as it should have been. Well, sort of. Ian Stewart began the season hurt and ultimately terrible, and didn't record a hit until April 11th. After Stewart got demoted and Jose Lopez hit the bricks, it became incredibly apparent that we'd be seeing you getting a lot of playing time at 3B. That worked out for awhile, too. It wasn't until mid-August when things started getting downright embarrassing. This is when any and all excuses began to break down. The bizarre "Rockies lose when Wigginton hits a home run" streak gave way to the "Whenever the Rockies need a hit, Wigginton will ground into an inning-ending double play" streak. Whatever goodwill had been earned during the first half of the season was thoroughly lost during the 2nd half.
You see, Ty, it's not that you were the worst player in the majors. It's not that you were the worst 3B the team had ever seen. It was really just a miscasting. As a part-time player, you were posting somewhere in the realms of an .800 OPS, give or take. Had Ian Stewart not so completely wet the bed, you would have likely stayed the part-time player you were cast as. But instead, you were thrust into a position you should have never been in: regularly starting.
Take any other lousy bench player in MLB. As it stands, you're already at the pinnacle of American Sports: Playing in Major League Baseball. Most MLB managers will throw the bench players the occasional start, often leading to groaning fans as to why somebody ELSE isn't getting the start. The fact that you were thrust into this role, and the fact that you performed so miserably at it, turned what would have just been the same annoyed groaning we'd expect from any other bench player starting more than they should.
The backlash you received was from the underperformances of a player who was supposed to be an absolute beast and instead was turning in the worst season of his career compounded with an underperforming backup player, and it turned that annoyance into pure vitriol.
Ty, the words I've read about you go beyond the kind of distaste people have for the baseball players they don't like. The kind of inexplicable hatred that actually has me thinking that Philadelphia might be a better place for you to continue your MLB career.
The taste that everyone still has in their mouths isn't really one based on your lack of performance. It's the team. It's having holes on the team that aren't going to be fixed fast. It's watching Ubaldo Jimenez fall apart and get traded in absolutely miserable fashion. It's Aaron Cook being unable to rediscover his form from years past. It's the continued lack of a 2B. It's Ian Stewart striking out again. It's being unable to hit on the road. It's finishing 4th in the division.
No, Ty, it wasn't really you everyone hated. It was 2011. The problem is that you embodied so many of the problems with this current team, it was hard not to direct the hatred toward you. You couldn't hate Cook, he's a Classic Rockies Player. You couldn't hate Ubaldo, because just look at that smile and his love for Denver. You can't hate the entire team, because come on, it's the team. Homegrown guys and all that. But you, Ty. You came from Baltimore (among other varied teams), on a relatively short-term deal, and you'd be more expendable if you weren't so overpaid.
So here we are, Ty. The Rockies are paying $2M for you to play for Philadelphia. Furthermore, should the Phillies decide to keep you around next season (that is, exercise your option), only THEN will the Rockies receive the cash or PTBNL supposedly promised. However, should you have your option declined, then the Rockies will have to chip in on your $0.5M buyout. Even in parting you are still costing the team money. But it opens up a bit for the potential use on players who can actually help the team.
So to conclude, Ty, Goodbye. Good Luck, and Good Riddance.
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Before this Board goes into utter euphoria...
Condolances go out to the Greg Halman Family. Sad, tragic story coming out of the Netherlands. I remember back in ‘08 when my bud drafted him in our Fantasy League, and I was like…oy yeah, that Dutch kid playing at West Tennessee. Damn tragic.
As for Wiggy, Good Luck. He’ll have a better shot at a ring now…at least for this Season. Now DOD has $2 to go get Hammer…or Cuddyer.
Has Sizemore finalized anything yet?
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I still have this horrible feeling we end up with Chone and Raul
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Wiggy we hardly knew ya
chalk him up as one more guy I wanted about 3 years before we got him, and by the time we got him he wasn’t a good idea. I am just hoping this offseason has a couple of moves we can all be happy with
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For those that missed it yesterday,
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Nov 21, 2011 7:54 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Hirouki Nakajima anyone?
What if Jason Bartlett was forced to play 2nd base? The Pads feel it could be easier to deal Bartlett than ODawg
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So Arenado hired Scott Boras?
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Yeah, a bit disappointing
but it’s his career, y’know?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
I probably would hire him too
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 8:09 AM MST up reply actions
Gah, now he's going to end up like other Rockies-Boras clients..
Like CarGo and Spilly.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 21, 2011 12:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but today is about celebration
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 8:19 AM MST up reply actions
Does anybody know if Cespedes is Major League Ready?
Im guessing since he is probably/actually 31 years old, I would hope so
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Cespedes is looking for like 8 years and 50-60$?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
Around there, from what I've read...
Years may be long though. Still would be leery of a 31 year-old Cuban.
well supposedly he is 26
but I am guessing 30-31 years old
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
That's what I'd be leery about...
Plus the $$$. And one Red Sox Scout says Cespedes reminds him of Wily Mo Pena… Ouch.
Considering how aggressively they pursued him, I'm not sure this doesn't make Boston the favorite in these sweepstakes
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
I doubt he gets that much
My guess is 6 years around 40 million. Everyone agrees that he is athletic and possesses raw power. But nobody has actually seen him play a game, and there are major concerns about his plate discipline.
Still, I would love to go after the guy just to make things interesting.
AW HELLZ YEAH!!!!!!
No, that’s not enough for this occasion, I think we also need to bring out this…..
/Does cartwheels
/Jumps for joy
/Celebrates like this kid
/Feels the relief
/Pops the champagne
/Breaks out in song
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
EVERYBODY SING IT WITH ME…..
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
To making more outs than having plate apprearances with the bases loaded
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
To the worst WPA in baseball over the last three years among players with at least 1500 PA’s
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
To being sujected to watch Ty Wigginton attempt to play defense
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 8:15 AM MST reply actions 18 recs
Aw man
Posted by mistake. Wasn’t even done yet.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
Don't worry, we still have Jordan Pacheco to blame.
Or Alex White.
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Poor Jordy
I have little doubt he’s going to get it in the neck Herrera-style at some point next season.
gotta be someone we aren't invested in
Like Paul Maholm.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I actually like Paul Maholm :(
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not for long!!!
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Hey now
there’s only one player on this team I actively dislike…
(maybe two with Eliezar “Jesus” Alfonzo)
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Tulo is "supposedly" very non-clutch
at least Wiggy deflected attention from that.
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why the quotes?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 10:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
it'll be white
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
If we sign a FA pitcher like Oswalt or Maholm
I’m thinking White should start the year in the bullpen (Chacin, FA, Pomeranz, Hammel, Nicasio). He’ll get good experience facing big league hitters, some reports have suggested he may be a better fit out of the bullpen (though I’d much prefer him to be a starter), and he’ll be a perfect candidate to step in once Pomeranz reaches ~130 innings.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It'd be more likely Pomeranz stays in the minors
DLR replaces Hammel and Pomeranz plays 2010 Chacin.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Nicasio
started in the bullpen
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
Nicasio threw 127 innings last season and 177 before that. Other than giving him some time off early in the season if he still has to work on some things, I don’t see much of a reason to put him in the bullpen and limit his innings.
For 2012 White should be going to about 180 innings and Pomeranz 120-130. I’m cool with either of them starting in the minors but should we break camp with both of them I think this makes the most sense. I don’t know what the org’s plans are for Pom but in the event that he struggles with the Rockies, we could always option him and have White take over…
I’m also down for JDLR replacing Hammel (who is also a candidate to move to the bullpen at some point)…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I don't think there's room in the bullpen for both White and Hammel
especially if we sign Lidge after Street is gone. I don’t really know where I was going with the Nicasio bullpen thing, but I don’t know how this injury works and how the Rockies ease him back. Hammel’s either bullpen or traded when DLR comes back unless we have some heavy damage to the rotation where it’s either him or Esmil.
I love, love Pomeranz, but the dude’s had 24 double A innings and 18 MLB innings. If we have too much pitching, let the guy who’s the cornerstone of the second most important trade we’ve made prepare himself somewhat more. I mean, I’m not opposed to White starting in the minors, especially if he’s still in late 2011 form, but in a perfect world where everyone is prepared for the season and acquire an innings eater, Pomeranz should be starting full time in the minors.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
And not of our starters is in the bullpen to start out
Unless Nicasio needs to be for health reasons.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
I wouldn’t say White and Hammel in the bp at the same time – but if this were to occur, its possible that by the time White takes over for Pomeranz, JDLR will be back after some time in the minors to take over for Hammel…
Pom in the minors to start the year makes a lot of sense too – we just really don’t know how the team is prepared to handle the rotation out of ST…which is what ST will be for I guess…
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I agree with FO's stance right now
Acquire as much pitching as possible, worry about using it later. We’re an innings eater away from having ridiculous depth right now.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
Damn straight.
ACQUIRE ALL THE ARMS!
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by Thnikkaman on Nov 21, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Drinking hot coffee and reading this post
at the same time was a mistake.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
This is epic.
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Also
see my comment above
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
close but
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
My expectations won't be as high
So I won’t be as mad – Or as happy when we dump the player who embodied 2012
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
We still have Johnny Herrera on this team
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
But scrappiness cannot possibly muster as much hatred as wigginess.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
No one hates a scrappy guy, not really.
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I mean Eckstein annoyed the hell out of me,
but I can’t really hate him. Not that I really “hated” Wiggy either. I just never had any confidence in him whatsoever.
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it's not that people hate the scrappy guy, you're right
people hate the overvaluing of scrappy guys.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah but they seemed to turn that hate onto Tracy
and O’Dowd but not with Wiggy. (I do not exclude myself from the Wiggy bashing crowd either)
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Like our manager........
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 21, 2011 11:47 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The same person we blame every (other) season, Pinky:
Chris Dominic Iannetta
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by Resolution on Nov 21, 2011 8:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
the E stands for can't frame pitches!!!!
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by TomCat009 on Nov 21, 2011 8:29 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Christopher Domenic Iannetta
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
that e is important
Otherwise his name wouldn’t anagram to demonic antiChristian
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 8:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Even my distaste doesn't go that far!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
That’s a very suggestive image to have immediately following the hot girl.
I met a gin-soaked barroom queen in Memphis...
by squalene203 on Nov 21, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
calm down, Freud
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Hey
I could have put the image of the kid after both of them and really spiced things up.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think I've ever in my life felt as strongly about a player leaving as this post does.
And I probably never will.
You don't understand
Now I don’t have to light myself on fire
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
/Every breath you take
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
RIRF just RIRFed himself.....
that’s hot.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
by papality on Nov 21, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, it kinda is...
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whoah, let's keep it PG-13 in here
god you’re creepy rirf
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Those of us who get classified as creeps are often just people who are unapologetically unique.
At least that’s what I’m going to keep telling myself :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
i'm pretty unique
don’t think i’ve been called a creep before.
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But you’ve already admitted it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
FFS RIRF
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by Muzia on Nov 21, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
omg this is so great
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a cree.p
I’m a wierd.o
What the hel.l am I doing her.e
I don’t belon.g here
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by Thnikkaman on Nov 21, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
creep does not equal cree.p.
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That thread is too funny
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haahah
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 21, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
via Jim Bowden
Buster Olney my ESPN colleague reporting Reds are talking to A’s about closer Andrew Bailey. A’s source confirms their interest in Alonso.
I want Alonso. :(
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I as well, I as well
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
I hear he can hit.
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Has he ever
butchered an easy grounder in a meaningless game?
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and is thereby punchable and hateable?
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
People I want to punch in the face:
1. Derek Jeter.
2. Derek Jeter.
3. Derek Jeter.
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by hotdoglady on Nov 21, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeter never makes errors in exhibition games
esp when Rockies players are pitching
because that wouldn’t make sense.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
People with mostly excellent taste in women.
1. Derek Jeter
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Mine:
Derek Jeter
Jonathan Papelbon
Brian Wilson
Pillis Rivers
Josh McDaniels
Todd Bertuzi
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Get well soon Juan.
Man, Rivers by far.
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I have Phlip Rivers as my starting QB on my fantasy team and yet I still cheer everytime he throws an interception
also I don’t generally enjoy rooting for injuries to players but that Jay Cutler broken thumb sure made me smile
Added to the Wiggy trade and yesterday was a great sports day
by purplesocks on Nov 21, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
That reminds me
Jay Cutler goes on that list right after Bertuzi
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pillis rivers:
philip rivers’ ugly older sister
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
McHoodie for sure.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 21, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
Where is ARod?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
How dare you even suggest punching something so beautiful.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Don't need to punch someone in the face
Who already self flagellates
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Get well soon Juan.
I hear our offense kinda sucks and needs a good bat
I’ll take a quality MLB bat at a corner OF position if he can hit.
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It feels like the whole
Uggla debate again.
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so who plays the role of Clint Barmes in this debate reincarnate?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 9:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Blint Carmes?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
i hear he's playing a role somewhere else these days
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
sounds like a new brand of lip balm
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
It’s in between the Baush & Lomb and Burt’s Bees products.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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it pops up off the shelf when you walk down that aisle
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 21, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
hiyoooooo
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ian stewart.
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not at 1b
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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who said it would have to be a 1 for 1 swap?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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You need to take off your Purple Shades.
Perfect. Thanks.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Street: $7.5M in 2012...
Bailey: $465 in ’11, Arbitration Eligible. Lot cheaper than Street, albeit more of an injury risk.
Oh I know. The same source that said the Reds are interested in Bailey also said they’d need more than Bailey for Alonso and that they’re focusing on starting pitching also. I wonder if there’d be potential for either Hammel or Friedrich in a deal for Alonso.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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the Reds have plenty of mid level starters right now. They really need an impact arm or two in the rotation/bullpen.
If only they would convert Aroldis…..
/goes back to OOTP sims
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it's true
I’d just love to be able to acquire Alonso since they pretty much can’t use him for as long as Votto’s around. Lets just wait until we’re halfway through the season and the Reds need something like an arm or some inf help or whatever…
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Being traded to Oakland doesn't preclude being traded to the Rockies at some point in the future.
Like, when the Rockies are forced to face Todd’s retirement.
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Todd is never going to retire.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 21, 2011 12:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
nah
Arenado or Stewart can just play there, because Stewart will hit 37 bombs this year. Totally.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 9:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
48 year-old player/manager/GM Jason Giambi
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Cincy isn't that stupid
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Just informed my 8 year old son that Wiggy was traded. His exact quote.
“ITS ABOUT TIME!”. He realized how much Wiggy made me upset watching the games on Tv and watching him live. He is also thrilled that he was given his walking papers from Coors Field.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Well, to be fair, if not for Ty Wigginton my favorite Rockies moment of 2011 wouldn't have happened.
But picking a favorite Rockies moment out of the smoking rubble of 2011 is kind of depressing anyway, so, yeah.
Goodbye, Mr. Wigginton. Hopefully you do not manage to inexplicably become a Rockies killer.
Oh wait, you already spent a season as a Rockies killer.
by everever on Nov 21, 2011 9:43 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Do you mean when he took he IBB so Cargo
could hit the walk off against the Braves?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
That'd be the one.
Note that if the Braves had pitched to him there, and then had gone on to win the game? The Cardinals might not be World Series champs. (Yes I know there were a lot of moments in the Braves season that could have gone the other way, and you can’t really pick just one. But in my head, it’s funnier if IBBing Ty Wigginton with RISP caused that ripple effect.)
by everever on Nov 21, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this year the Braves will buy a tv and they'll make it to the playoffs!
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
Street for Guthrie?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 9:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I might try to
work up a trade with the Reds involving Street for Alonso and then just sign Maholm. I like Guthrie but I don’t really want to give up anything for him
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http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/rockies_street_on_the_move/8237209?new_post=true
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 9:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm okay with that, honestly.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I'd do it.
Dude eats innings.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Also has some Coors-compaitble stats.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
A flyball righty who doesn’t strike many out?
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Some, not all.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
Guthrie is aight
I’d just like to try to get something for Street since it appears I was wrong about his potential trade value. I feel like we could just sigh Maholm for what Guthrie was making and still have a trade chip.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I never really saw Street as a true trade chip
More or less, trade him to shed salary, see what we can get.
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Sounds perfect to me an innings eating 3-5 starter with deadline trade value if DLR is healthy/youngins do well
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I like the part with deadline value
Could work well for us if we’re stuck in a situation where our best pitchers aren’t on the roster due to options.
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Yeah, I'm a pretty big proponent for Guthrie right now
He makes a ton of sense, and is substantially better than the Millwood-level fringe #5
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mmmm
A Chacin-Guthrie-Pomeranz-White-Nicasio rotation with Hammel as a 6th starter and DLR due back? Sign me up.
2011: A new year and a new chance at a championship.
Chacin-Guthrie-Pomeranz-White-Nicasio-Hammel looks awesome
Chacin-Guthrie-Pomeranz-White-Nicasio-DLR-Hammel with Scahill/Cabrera/Bettis as Sept callups for the second half looks spicy.
Also, no Esmil Rogers/Alan Johnson/Greg Reynolds!
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I wonder if we got Guthrie
Whether Hammel starts the season in the rotation or bullpen…our best options are with Pomeranz and White but I don’t like the idea of moving Hammel to the bullpen when he can’t go to the minors to stretch himself out to start if we need him. Makes me feel as if White or Pomeranz go to the minors
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Also, no Esmil Rogers/Alan Johnson/Greg Reynolds!
You say that now, but you know that somehow we’re going to see those types of guys come the middle of June. We thought the rotation was deep last year too.
counterpoint: Esmil Rogers was our 5th starter coming out of camp.
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Hmm, was he?
I can’t remember that far back. But going into ST, I think we were talking about having lots of depth. I think Rogers still had a little bit more luster back then too.
Yep, and his start against Pittsburgh was AWESOME.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
No kidding.
I was drinking the Koolaid at that point.
Wow, now that I think about it, that was just about the high point of the season.
Esmil Rogers may be our fifth starter coming out of camp again.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 21, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
I'd put some money against that.
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Speaking of wagers
WTF happened to the Avs? Did I see Duchene demoted to the fourth line?
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Varly went cold, and the team can’t catch a break.
They outplay a team for 45 min, and yet are down 3-1. I can’t explain it. Their shooting % is terribly unlucky.
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Damn babip dragon
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According to the advanced stats, there’s only one player who has been luckier than average.
Peter Mueller.
The rest of the team is below average. Think of the PDO as BABIP, but with 1000 being the average instead of .300. Anything below means they are due for some luck coming their way
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Maybe when this 2011 year of hell is over
all this damn bad luck for Colorado teams I care about will end.
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This is a pretty sweeet chart actually
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
it's the hockey equivalent of Fangraphs
updates after every day
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And bookmarked
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
This is becoming my winter project this NHL season
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Much appreciated
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, and read this article first. It’s crucial.
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and at 5.5 million means we would come out ahead on the Street/Wiggy dump
giving us 4 million more flexibility
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I'm in this boat
I guy who eats innings and doesn’t suck would really hlep this team, especially with all they young arm we are going to have starting games next season.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Buehrle would probably take 3/15 to come here
Wilson has two years as a starter and is way expensive, none of the other FA are good bets for 200 Innings of league average pitching. If we can get Guthrie for Street and spare parts(nelson, ey2, mcbride) I am all about it.
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sorry 3/15AAV or 3/45
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i would pay that to him in heartbeat
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
in my heart, we’ve already traded Street for Guthrie. And Street is my favorite current Rockie (non Todd Helton class)
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We ought to throw stewie into the deal
give them a Mark Reynolds, Ian Stewart IF
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Yeah that might be optimistic
in this market it might be 5/60
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I would love to have Buehrle here.
He’s been one of my favorite pitchers for years. Always underrated, and I don’t really know how he does it, but the guy can pitch.
Totally unimportant, but mildly interesting.
If we acquired Guthrie and kept Lindstrom, we’d have two players on the team who served LDS missions (Spain and Sweden, respectively—so presumably Guthrie has plenty of opportunities to stay relatively fluent in Spanish, Lindstrom and Swedish, not so much).
relief?
Joy?
Hope?
happiness?
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by hotdoglady on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Hopefully less sound of a toilet flushing w/RISP!
WAIT!…We still have Stewart for that!
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two mil in salary relief for 2012
And a ptbnl or more cash if his 2013 option is picked up. Also, it guarantees playing time for Jordan Pacheco
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 10:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Knowing that the Phillies just got a jinxed player.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Nov 21, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The Phillies are sending us a bag of fertilizer
One big bag of crap for another
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Nov 21, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What a good interview
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=20003035&partnerId=aw-5479793644691134698-1027
“I just tried to be Nolan, and I was”. I like this guy.
I'm not a fan of referring to himself in the third person ......;/
Hopefully that doesn’t happen too much :)
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He seems pretty cool the rest of the time :)
I might try to be Nolan tonight, see what it feels like. “Darling, is there anything I can do, you know, to please you?” “Well, I wasn’t going to ask, but could you… could you be Nolan tonight?” “That’s so hot” *makeout noises
Yeah, that's all well and good
until she starts asking for Nolan all the time :)
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"Can't we just, you know, do it normally?"
“But you don’t I can’t get… in the mood if you’re not Nolan”
“FML”
who cares
it worked for Ricky Henderson lol
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He's the only one it ever worked for..
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My favorite Rickey story
Was from the year he played in Seattle. He saw Jon Olerud wearing a batting helmet in the field, and said something like, “Man, Rickey had a teammate with the Mets last year who wore one of those too.”
To which Olerud replied, “Uh, yeah. That was me.”
by Northsider1964 on Nov 21, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions 6 recs
so effin good
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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amazing
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fantastic
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
funny that is
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Also...
Interesting interpretation of the Wigginton trade:
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I think I'd absolutely
keep Nolan in the minors to hold back his clock. I don’t think he’ll get that much more value from being on the ML for 6 months as opposed to 4 months…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
too bad the new CBA increases Super Two status from top 17% to top 22%
We may have to hold him in AA through June at this rate.
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Ouch
oh well, whatever. We have enough stuff to keep an eye on for the first couple of months anyway – 2b, Ian Stewart, everyone in the rotation. We can justify having one less piece to worry about while Arenado (hopefully) mashes at AA.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I'm with you there
I just thought it was funny that they traded Wiggy explicitly to move Arenado up, when in reality we just traded Wiggy to get rid of $4MM of suck.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
lol
he’s drinking the Arenado kool-aid too.
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Somebody who isn't at work!
Arenado’s face on the Kool-Aid pitcher.
Photoshop – go!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
We're a Stewart non-tender away from practically announcing to the world we're starting Arenado
Wouldn’t surprise me if they started like Nelson or someone till June. I’ll be really uneasy if they don’t trade for Prado though, that puts wayyyyyyyyyyyy more pressure on Arenado this year
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Oh,yeah, I forgot about that :(
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yea,
you can just add ‘Re: The St. Louis Cardinals’ to the end of it.
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this any better?
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it looks like two million bucks!
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hahahahahaha
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
mmhmm
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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I think his sig is referring to all of the OOTP sims he's been playing in 2011
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
eh...I'm sure they'd roll with Checo, Wood and Nelson
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 11:34 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not even close
Pacheco, Stewart, or a different acquisition will be your starting 3B out of ST. Nelson won’t be on the team.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 12:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nelson won't be a Rockie anymore if he isn't on the team
I hear he’s out of options along with EY2.
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Interesting
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I love the next video, where Duquette talks about the trade from the Phillies perspective.
and says it’s a great trade for them because he’s so versatile: “He can play 3B, 1B, 2B, LF, RF, even C.”
I had to keep myself from laughing out loud at work. He forgot to mention that he would play all those positions poorly and provide a replacement level or lower bat to boot.
by blooming rock on Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
The idea that he can play all of those positions sounds really good until you realize that the only reason he can play all of them, is because he can’t play any of them. And then it gets really ugly when he keeps finding his way into almost every game due to all the positions he can be stationed at.
Can’t wait till next summer when I get to read about all the wonder things Philly fans have to say about him.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Catcher? Tracy missed an opportunity there.
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
Wiggy at catcher
Is a baserunner’s dream. Big Papi could twist his ankle and still steal 2nd.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
good god he did
“Another option instead of Phil? AWESOME”
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Runoff vote ready for the Spring comment Awards.
Be sure to pick your favorite.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 11:46 AM MST reply actions
Verlander just won the AL MVP.
Ridiculous.
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holy shit
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very close vote
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I can see it, not sure I agree but it isn't Eck bad
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definitely not
poor Bautista
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Meh he had a great year but his counting numbers were nothing historic
when you are looking at a BBWAA vote you have to value Counting stats over Rate stats
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Bautista slowed down quite a bit in the second half
Even lost the lead in AL WAR
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
Well Ellesbury got the UZR/Positional Spike and had a hell of a year
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Absolutely
I would not have had a problem if Bautista had won, I just don’t think he separted himself from the pack after his second half. A bunch of people caught up.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
WOW! I don't think I agree with this ....that's amazing
So again it brings up the debate of what the heck the MVP is supposed to represent.
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The only valid debate I see
Is the need for one offical hitting award, one official pitching award, and one MVP one which is open to both. It’s ridiculous they’re not balanced.
it's interesting
in that Verlander didn’t even lead his team in WAR
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baseball-reference disagrees
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
oooo
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like the BBWAA cares about that stuff
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not one mention of WAR on MLBN for the announcement just now
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Something tells me that more BBWAA visit Baseball Reference than visit Fangraphs
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
something tells me that more BBWAA read USA Today
than any other source
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Harsh but Fair
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
maybe not
Here is the ballot of a Boston writer, who write that he based his ballot very heavily on Fangraphs WAR
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/11/explaining_my_m.html
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 12:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I would argue that my caveat of more covers that
Baseball reference has the breakdown of all those old teams, I would guest there are more BBWAA over 50 than under.
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well...
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Is that Parker Lewis?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 21, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
close...
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
FTFY
baseball-referencedisagreesis wrong
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verlander 8.5 rWAR
next is cabrera at 7.1
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I meant BR using RA as opposed to something FIP related for figuring WAR for pitchers
is wrong
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I still want to see a tRA/SIERA based WAR, just for comp
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Winter project?
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I like the way you think
Maybe.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
Sweet
of course now since you have a big project some woman will probably get in the way.
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god I hope you're right
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
oh, ok
i thought you were disputing the simple factuality of it
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Nope - can't argue with the numbers themselves
just questioning the theory behind them
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If you average the WARs
Verlander avg 7.8, Ellsbury 7.2, and Granderson 6.2
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
bbbbbut Bautistaaaaa
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I forgot to look him up. Wow
“WAR, What is it good for?”
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
What gets me is that anyone voted for Texiera
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Michale Young? 1st Place? That person should lose their ballot forever.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
here you go
had bautista at 7th
Rob Neyer agrees
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/21/2578916/justin-verlander-michael-young-2011-al-mvp
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
What an idiot
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 6:49 AM MST up reply actions
I hope you don't mean Neyer
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 8:56 PM MST up reply actions
Really interesting stuff from
<a href=“http:// ”http://espn.go.com/mlb/hot?id=7262865" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/mlb/hot?id=7262865" target="new">Jim Caple on this here.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
err.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Bad bad bad.
Ugh.
@CentralCaliRox
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why bad?
Insert wiener joke here.
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a Pitcher can't be mvp?
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Pitcher can, and is
The Rules of MVP voting clearly state that pitchers and position players are equally eligible, and until the rule changes, much as I don’t like it, that’s how it goes.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
He can.
Obviously, I just don’t like it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 21, 2011 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
whoa
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111121&content_id=26015348&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Yeah, that's insane
Reminds me of Darrent Williams.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
hahaha someone voted for robertson for MVP too
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
someone left Verlander off their ballot
Wonder if it was the same person who voted Michael Young first
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 12:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"cmon guyz, pitchers cant win!"
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
looks like not
Though he definitely values the narrative far more than stats
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 12:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
oops
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/11/justin-verlander-wins-mvp-one.html
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I didn't know Gaslamp Ball
Got a vote for AL MVP!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Lol
just looking back at this – the Mariners traded away Shin Soo-Choo for Ben Broussard. Then the Mariners had to send another player later on the complete the trade. Man, we really didn’t exploit Bavasi nearly enough :-(
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I’d take Brian Roberts for the 2B hole. From 2004-2009, he averaged 101 runs, 46 doubles and 35 steals with a .290/.365/.438 slash. If I had a crystal ball and knew he was over the back problems and concussion issues, he’d slot-in nicely as the lead-off or 2-hole hitter in Coors Field. (Never gonna happen though)
You don't understand,
There’s some rule out there that does not allow our second basemen to be productive. If we put Roberts out there, his back problems are guranteed to resurface.
Welcome to the Row by the way.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 21, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
kinda makes you feel sorry for rutledge
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
technically, he's still a SS
we need to find a witch doctor to reverse the curse
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by UZ on Nov 21, 2011 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
Jon Heyman predicted free agent contracts
He said 2/18 for Willingham and 1/11 for Oswalt. If that’s the going price, I’d sign those two in a heartbeat.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Kelly Johnson is worth Clint Barmes money?
Uhhhhh…..
Kelly Johnson. It’s been a good year already for infielders. Projection: $10 million, two years
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maybe he means $10mil/year....
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
all other contracts he predicts are total value and years
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i was playing OOTP last night, and kelly johnson asked me for a 10 year extension worth $220 mil
i don’t know which of these things is more unrealistic
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
That is awesome
I had JD Drew ask for a 5 year $75mil extension. Still makes me chuckle..
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Finishing the season in my OOTP '10 game
Jorge turned down a 2 year $12M deal, with the 2nd year as a player option, and then accepted a 1 year $6M deal. Wut.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
wow
I signed Dallas Braden on MLB 2k11 for 6yr/$10.5mil. OOTP might be too hard for me.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 2:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
my favorite was one time through a rockies sim ian stewart was wanting something like 5/18
I balked at that and let him walk. in free agency he got some ridiculous contract paying him 28 mil a year. two years later and the computer had put him on the trading block
Arb is absurd, too
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
Done and Done
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
I think Oswalt gets 2 yrs, but Willingham sounds right
As long as we’ve got Dick Montfort’s credit card, I’d take Cuddyer at 3/30 too. He’s still be a useful 36 year old at the end.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 3:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
things that are hilarious
http://twitter.com/#!/LangoschMLB/status/138718304981368832
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
haha wow
how do you feel about your ownership if you are a Pirates fan?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
Jon Heyman Tweet
if granderson isnt in the top 10 among al position players in war, i question war, not granderson.
Goes to show that there ARE SOME inconsistencies in statistics.
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he's 8th in all MLB in fWAR
also, “lol he only hit .262, how good could he really have been guyz”
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
fangraphs has him comfortably top ten
Guessing the difference is defense
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 2:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
actually UZR likes him less than TZ does
but his wRC+ is a healthy 8 points higher than his OPS+
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
i like how the only pitchers to get AL MVP votes are
verlander, 280 pts, 1st place
shields, 7 pts, t-16th,
and….
david robertson, 1 point, tied-22nd (with 2010 winner josh hamilton)
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Read something on Gio Gonzalez and his availability
Probably a Marlins thing as usual…What kind of package would that take? 3 top 10 prospects and a major leaguer? I have no idea where to start with that. Maybe I overvalue Gio, but In my mind the kid will probably be in the Top 5 in Cy Young awards in the next few years and they don’t come around very often
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dealing with the A's is an interesting idea right now
what with their movement situation, they’re not really sure about what to do with themselves. if i were going after gonzalez, i’d start with white, i think
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
logan Morrison
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 2:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
oh ok
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 21, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
saw the two linked in an hbt story
Marlins package would have to include Morrison
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 6:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Who would be up for building a package. ..
… around Rosario and Fowler. Just theoretically.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 3:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
i'd do fowler for gio straight-up
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not good enough
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no?
both come with fair concerns (gio’s walks, fowler’s career path)… what do you think it would take?
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I'd do it
But I wouldn’t give up more than Rosario and Fowler…maybe add in a mid-level prospect like Joe Gardner
maybe not good enough
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Agreed
Gio is going to require a haul, so I guess I’m saying that I wouldn’t want to completely gut our farm when we already have a large number of promising young pitchers in the system.
well
there’s a difference between “promising young pitchers in the system” and guys who just put up back to back 200 IP seasons of 3.78 and 3.64 FIP ball who are still just 26…. gio is the kind of guy you go get if he’s available
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Well yes...I agree with that too
I’m saying that I would be willing to give up quite a bit (see Rosario + Fowler + Gardner above) to acquire Gonzalez, but I’d be leery of giving up something like a Teixeira trade haul which I would expect the A’s to ask for. You’re talking about 4 years of team control for a guy who will likely develop into a perennial Cy Young contender, after all.
I'd do it, and here's why
It would hurt to lose those guys, but if we could acquire an ace-quality, left-handed young guy with four years of control left, and NIcasio is ready to go in the Spring, we could easily have a nice little pitching surplus by mid-season, even without JDLR. We’d have a rock solid rotation and the means to add someone in Summer for, say, Hammel or White.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't give up
any legit ML pieces for him – otherwise it’s a lateral move. Rosario and Bettis/White would be a starting point for me
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Walks way too many guys - would be big trouble at Coors
Why would the Rockies want to trade away top prospects for another walkapotumus?
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He is a guy that is improving every season
200 IP guy and 16 wins with a 3.13 ERA. If I can trade prospests for a 4 year team control guy that is already that good for prospects that I don’t really know for sure about you bet I would want his walkapotumus ass in coors field
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 6:53 AM MST up reply actions
So....does this mean Stewart at 3rd this season?
and do we have any reason to suspect that Stewart will suddenly turn into the second coming of Brooks Robinson?
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I'll take average at this point. If Stew can be average then the Rox will have been vindicated.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Nov 21, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
let's sign brandon webb
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
i hear Ben Sheets is in one piece
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 21, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone with a Baseball America account?
I would really like to know what is in this article
Tweet
Baseball America (@BaseballAmerica)
11/21/11 9:11 AM
Rockies Prepare Dominican Lefty For U.S. Debut: Just as they did a year ago, the Rockies brought the best prospect…….
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I'll touch on that tomorrow
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I hope its about Nolan Arenado
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JFK
Tell that to Angel Hernandez,
Joe West, et al.
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It also counts nuclear war and kissing
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no man
Kissing is far more dependent on three dimensional accuracy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 6:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
well all depends on what kind of girl your kissing.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
If the girl you're kissing is not three dimensional....welll
I don’t want to know about it..lol
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Randy... this is James Franco.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
For real? That's crazy!
I’m a straight male and I have no problem admitting that I would put out for James Franco.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 7:57 AM MST up reply actions
Joe Nathan to Rangers
Gotta hand it to Daniels and Ryan down there. They don’t talk to anybody … not a single rumor until the deal was done.
That’s one more closer gone, and to a team that wasn’t necessarily known to be in the market. Just need to get rid of Madson and Bell before teams starting getting serious about Huston.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 6:13 PM MST reply actions
Yes, although Andrew Bailey seems to be putting a crimp in that plan ...
Seems like some other mid-market teams have noticed and are shopping their closers around. Our advantage is that we don’t really expect anything back, just salary relief (although a decent prospect would be better).
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
they're also officially moving feliz to the rotation
hopefully his 2011 won’t follow him there
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
2 years $15mil is pretty steep.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 6:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
especially for someone who will pitch those two years at 37 and 38 years old
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Coulda had someone 7 years young with surprisingly similar stats ...
And coming off a better year (even though it wasn’t his best). And who’s never had reconstructive surgery.
I think someone’s going to grab Street soon as Madson and Bell get new teams.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
I bet Bell stays in San Diego
Madson is the prize of the market and Street is the consolidation prize.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I don't know if this has been discussed or not.
Would anyone be against maybe taking a look at Jack Wilson fro 2nd base?
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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No. That's not what we're looking for
We can just put Herrera there if we wanted an all-glove guy.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 21, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
ok, I was just tossing a name around.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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we'd actually be way better off with herrera there than wilson
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Wilson might retire, too
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
I still think Clint Hurdle is trying to compile a team of all ex-Rockies players.
Quadzilla, Barmes, who else?
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well he has 2
only 23 to go
might as well call them the Pittsburgh Ex Rockies
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 21, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Your Colorado Rockies
Now in the Pittsburgh Pirates minor league system
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dibs on gerritt cole
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
atkins for a time last year
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
where is Beimel these,days?
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 21, 2011 7:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I still think he may be someone to look at.
But, from what I’ve read, Beimel got washed up by Coors..
Still has the best entrance song ever.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
mariano rivera disagrees
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
vehemently
Nothing will ever top Enter Sandman
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Yea, its an awesome song. But, he is with the Yankees and I don't care about them or any other AL team.
So they don’t count.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord
Found out that I didn’t pass the California Bar yesterday. This single handily cheered me up. I never have to see Wiggy in a Rockies uniform ever again.
That article was spot on btw Andrew
Wiggy simply WAS 2011 in my mind.
You really should put your old name
in your sig for a little while so we can remember who you are/were
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Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
I had a long and involved dream where I was Ian Stewart last night
No hog slopping, no baseball, but also no twitter or being a lazy jock, either.
So what were you doing as Ian Stewart?
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