Tuesday Rockpile: A Name to Know - Jayson Aquino
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 8:14 AM MST
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There is a lot of the off-season left in which Dan O'Dowd could (and likely will) supplement the current roster. By no means is the work complete...at least that is the hope. Currently, half of the Opening Day infield is set to be Brandon Wood and Chris Nelson. Or maybe it's Jordan Pacheco and Jonathan Herrera. Ian Stewart and Eric Young Jr.? Hard to say.
Either way, 2012 is shaping up to be a rebuilding year even with one extra playoff spot available, and that is fine. The three two O's still have a lot of their prime years left, and it is about time we diagnose the likes of Herrera/Young/Pacheco/Stewart for good, then we know what we have going forward in the future.
Whenever my eyes meander towards the future, they tend to take an afternoon off, wandering in the woods of the minor leagues. Sure guys in the South Atlantic League won't figure into the roster in 2013, if ever, but there is hope, especially now. Or you could go even further down.
Jack Etkin wrote a BA subscriber piece yesterday on left-handed starting pitching prospect Jayson Aquino, who has thrown as many professional innings in this country as I have. The name might be familiar for even for those that don't follow prospects closely, as he worked his way to #29 on September's PuRP's list, even if he wasn't the best pitching prospect on that team.
The southpaw has pitched in the Dominican Summer League for two seasons, dominating hitters at an eye-opening rate even considering the pitching heavy league. In 2010, he struck out 59 batters in 61.2 IP while walking just nine on his way to a 1.02 ERA. Last season, he increased his GB/FB rate by over three times while keeping an ERA at 1.30 and maintaining an above 8.00 K/9.
At 6-foot-1, 180 pounds, Aquino has a projectable body. He worked a lot on his curveball in instructional league and is developing a feel for it. He has good arm speed on his changeup, which is already a workable pitch but lacks consistency. He pitches at 88-91 mph with his fastball, touches 92 mph and throws the pitch for strikes.
Baseball Prospectus | Spinning Yarn: How Does Quality of Contact Relate to BABIP? You must read this piece. Mike Fast is one of the modern leaders in baseball research, and here is Part 2 of a statistical study trying to quantify the effect pitchers can have on their BABIP. It's a SABR post taking DIPS theory to task.
Ty Wigginton Traded to Philadelphia | FanGraphs Baseball In case you wanted a Fangraphs analysis of the deal.
AFL Update: All good things must end Because I know you need your Nolan Arenado fix before your coffee.
Clint Barmes Deal: A Mistake for the Pirates? - Beyond the Box Score Initially, the contract struck me as steep. 2 years, $11.5mil for Clint Barmes? Plus, he just unseated newly signed Rod Barajas as the Pirates highest paid player. But Barmes was very quietly a 3.0 WAR player last year (3.1 fWAR, 2.9 rWAR). He has a top tier glove, is a positive baserunner, and he was right up there with Alexei Ramirez and Elvis Andrus offensively. Fangraphs had him as MLB's 13th best shortstop overall in 2011.
In case you missed it, 24-year-old Seattle Mariners outfielder Greg Halman was stabbed to death in Rotterdam, Holland yesterday morning. While Rotterdam is the second largest city in the country, it's also a very safe, clean and comfortable city to be in, as I discovered in 2006 (my photo below). Of course, city crime rates are generally not predictive of sibling violence, and Halman's younger brother is the primary suspect for the stabbing.
Many of you have read Jeff Sullivan, either on Lookout Landing or Baseball Nation. His wit and humor have carried him from a blogger to a colleague of Rob Neyer, and yet in possibly his best piece, he utilized neither of those qualities. I recommend you read:
On The Passing Of Greg Halman - Lookout Landing
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Another interesting link...
Not that we didn’t already know this, but here’s a BA article quantifying how horribly the Rockies drafted 2005-2007.
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Sorry, here's the link...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2011/2612625.html
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Tulo saves it.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 8:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
or 2
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really 2002-8 the overall performance was awful
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huh
Just realized today is my three year anniversary of being registered at PR
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 8:45 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I wonder why that is?
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I’ll be staying in Fort Collins for a week.. any must do’s well I’m in town? This will be my first time out there so any tips would be great
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by nodakroxfan on Nov 22, 2011 8:59 AM MST via mobile reply actions
New Belgium
Odell
Equinox
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New Belgium, Odell's, Ft Collins Brewery, Coopersmith's, Equinox, Funkwerks
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
drink beer.
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if you're a beer drinker, you must go to the Mayor of Old Town, just north of Laurel on Mason
And/or take brewery tours/tasters at New Belgium, O’Dells, FunkWerks, Fort Collins and Equinox.
f you prefer Margs, the Rio Grande on Mountain, just west of College.
Walk the Old Town area, absolutely.
Go to Estes Park and/or Rocky Mountain Natl Park if you have a full day.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 9:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks guys
I love micro brews so I’m pretty excited to have a few to check out
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by nodakroxfan on Nov 22, 2011 9:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
then do microbrewery tours/tasters all day
And have dinner at the Mayor. It’ll be the best beer day of your life
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Looking forward to it
Thanks again
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by nodakroxfan on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If you like college hoops
CSU plays CU in Fort Collins on Wednesday, Nov. 30. Not that either team is all that good this year, but it’s a fun, in-state rivalry game that will generate some activity on campus.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Olde Town
Lucky’s, Sports Exchange, Bon-Di alll great bars. Like meantioned by everyone else New Belgium is out there. If you are outdoorsy check out horsetooth reservoir… really cool place.
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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 22, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Those last two paragraphs
on that Lookout Landing article made me cry.
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Me too. Literally.
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Is this why I'm seeing Jackie Chan periodically popping up?
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I laughed
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Twins sign 5 minor league FAs with MLB bullpen time: RHPs Jason Bulger, Jared Burton, Samuel Deduno, Luis Perdomo & LHP Phil Dumatrait.
Deduno who signed with the Twins?
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Lets just put Aquino in the Rotation
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
So do the Twins need a closer?
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Yes, and Renck is off on his Pavano bandwagon again
Why we would make that trade is beyond me. Pavano gives up way too much hard contact. League almost hit 300 against him last year, and he’s expensive.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 10:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
not a huge fan of that one either…but we do need a solid starter/innings eater in this rotation
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
if Guthrie is available....
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call him up
call Garza up Call Gio up…call somebody up other than Kevin Millwood please
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Why wouldn't they give up LoMo?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
My question exactly
That would have been a no-brainer. A’s probably asked for more.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
we’d be talking Arenado + Rosario + Bettis
I’d rather avoid throwing away the farm for pitchers entering their expensive arb years like Garza or Gio.
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I'd do Rosario and Bettis
Expensive arb years? Cant always have cheap talent…our rotation sucks and needs a pitcher
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
our rotation sucked due to injury last year
as someone said yesterday, we are a veteran innings-eater away from having ridiculous depth for 2012
Guthrie (please)/Chacin/Nicasio/Pomeranz/White/Hammel/Scahill/Friedrich/Bettis are all good candidates to start for us next year
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*and Gardner
I always forget about him as a 2012 candidate for some reason.
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I thought Scahill was a reliever?
Bettis is intriguing though. Not sure you want him anywhere near Colo Springs. Good chance he is in a trade though.
Forgot JDLR too. He could be back by June, effective by August. We really are just a run of luck away from being in very good shape. And we’re due.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Don't fall into the gambler's fallacy
of luck :-) But I agree – I think the 2011 season was Luck Dragon justice for our 2009 and 2007 runs.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
scahill has been a starter his whole career
Though many scouts expect him to profile best as a reliever
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
You are really comfortable with
Chacin and blah ?
I mean seriously that rotation is Chacin and nothing that is proven. I mean Hammel is proven to be completely inconsistent but other than that Nicasio is unproven, Pomeranz unproven, White unproven, Scahill unproven, Friedrich uunproven, and Bettis unproven. Not to mention Chacin has like 2 years under his belt and thats it.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Welcome to 2012?
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I would also note the following
Unproven does not = “blah”
There’s a ton of mid to top tier rotation talent in that above list.
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All top tier rotation talent in this list at one point too
Chin-Hui Tsao, Franklin Morales, Jeff Francis, Matt Harrington, Greg Reynolds, Chaz Roe,
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Reynolds got hurt so can anyone
show me the list where Chaz Roe was considered MLB ready and on the tier of White and Pom?
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Chin-Hui Tsao
Eh.
Franklin Morales
Yeah, still is.
Jeff Francis
Kinda, but I won’t turn my nose at a World Series Game One starter
Matt Harrington
Didn’t sign, not relevant.
Greg Reynolds
Drafted as a #3 starter
Chaz Roe
We have different definitions of “top tier”
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Scahill?
Hammell?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
I like Scahill as bullpen depth.
Hammel is what he is – a #4-5 starter.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
You picked the two guys who are back-end talents on that list
Nicasio projects as a #2/#3, White projects as a #2, Gardner a solid #3, Pomeranz a #1/#2, Chacin is a #2, Bettis could be a #2/#3 in 2013.
Seriously dude, there’s a reason we drafted/traded for all the above players. Putting them in the same category as Chaz Roe and Greg Reynolds severely undervalues their talent level.
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I wasn’t really trying to compare the players as to say for ever highly regarded prospect there are 2 or 3 that fail. I just think we highly overvalue our prospects around here is all. Just my opinion. I would love to have those guys turn out Great for us because we have an attachment to them because we drafted them and can watch them grow through our system. However, for every one we think is going to be great there are a couple that fail and don’t quite make it as what we PROJECT they could be. I know that Gio Gonzalez won 16 games last year in the MLB is only 26 years old, only has 2 full seasons under his belt, and continues to get better. Last year in his first 19 starts of the season he didn’t allow more than 4 Earned Runs in the MLB. All I am saying is that there is a big difference between project and what already is. And i know you know that and I know that I probably won’t win this argument/conversation because nobody knows what the prospects turn out to be
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
You're correct
that there is a lot of overvaluing prospects around here. Get used to it — it won’t change.
The Rockies’ front office has similar tendencies.
the excitement is mostly due to the fact that we have never had a list of near-MLB ready pitchers in our history like we do right now.
Any organization is going to overrate their own players, but there’s a decent idea of their value around here. It’s much better than many other team sites I’ve seen.
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I think the disconnect
is between the very reasonable excitement about an unprecedented amount of young talent…but also the very reasonable concern that most of these guys are not going to be consistently good in the short term and may, in fact, be pretty bad (relative) next season. As you say “near MLB ready” is great, but that word “near” means a lot.
I like the arms we have for the future. I stll want 2 legit MLB pitchers for next year.
there's still a big difference between "prospects"
and guys who are already in an MLB rotation.
I think you’re missing that point.
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Choose between a vast overpay and letting a group of talented
youngsters prove themselves? give me the cost effective long term answer please
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I wonder what the Diamondbacks think about trading for Dan Haren now?
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tyler skaggs
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
About the same as the Minnesota Twins?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Skaggs is far better than anything the Mets gave up for Johan
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 5:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
hell
Saunders might be better than anything the Mets gave up for Johan. (Unless Humber keeps it going)
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That would be ridiculous of course
But I’d do that deal if you subbed Wheeler for Arenado. Or if you removed Rosario. Gio is very good. I’d give up Arenado for him.
/ducks
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 10:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
he had a much more pedestrian
3.62 ERA and 1.424 WHIP away last year to go with his 2.70ERA and 1.227 WHIP in OAK not saying he isn’t talented but he isn’t a true #1 either
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Well on the Rockies that becomes a #1
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
at Coors his overall line becomes 3.9-4.2ERA
basically Chacin lite
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This.
I said yesterday I don’t want Gio, and that was because of the super huge price tag. Do we really want to create holes to fill up the #1 spot? Isn’t that what Pomeranz and White were supposed to be?
We don’t need another young starter. We’re loaded with them. Stick with the plan, get a veteran innings eater (I like Guthrie as well), get us an OF, get us a 2B.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This.
I said yesterday I don’t want Gio, and that was because of the super huge price tag. Do we really want to create holes to fill up the #1 spot? Isn’t that what Pomeranz and White were supposed to be?
We don’t need another young starter. We’re loaded with them. Stick with the plan, get a veteran innings eater (I like Guthrie as well), get us an OF, get us a 2B.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sizemore to the Indians. Looks like a done deal.
I’m okay with this.
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What a homer
coulda been a star again if he came to Coors
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
Finally! Somebody is using hit f/x to improve on DIPS.
I’ve been thinking for about four years that that needed to happen. It’d be nice if they could open the data up to everybody though; I think player projections and valuations would improve a lot with this stuff as well.
Thanks for the link to that ATF. I probably wouldn’t have seen it otherwise.
major MAJOR changes in the new CBA for draft and international signings
The FO game will be changed dramatically.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 11:23 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, this is all pretty awful for small-mid market teams.
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though the Rockies have always signed players a touch older than other teams in the international market. It means the waters will become more competitive, but they should still be fairly successful given their overwhelming presence in places such as Venezuela.
Still, the draft tax is flat out ridiculous. I have no clue how the Pirates are ever going to become competitive.
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I have no clue how the Pirates are ever going to become competitive.
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Although to be fair
The Pirates never exactly figured out how to be competitive under the current system so I doubt this could be much worse for them.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
I haven't run rockies budget vs the new caps
But my gut is that the new CBA benefits the Rockies more than most, by virtue of hurting most of the other teams more
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 11:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Little change in international signings
more emphasis on college players instead of elite HS talents. Say goodbye to the Tyler Matzeks of the world and say hello to a lot more Tyler Andersons.
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The new CBA blows!!
Teams are rewarded for NOT drafting quality players and rewarded for NOT signing free agents. So the good news is ticket prices should stay the same, but the level of talent on the field will suffer.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 22, 2011 1:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
for the most part, the talent pool will stay the same
Garrett Cole would still be a Pirate… He just would have signed for $2mil rather than $8mil because of no other options. Some high school and international guys who had only turned to baseball due to money may indeed go elsewhere, but how much that amounts to is tough to judge.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 1:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Most if not all international players would still be making more than they could otherwise.
And ss Rob Neyer tweeted earlier, I don’t really see the problem with the rare player choosing another sport over baseball. There’s going to be some impact, sure, but I think a lot of people are really overstating the doom and gloom.
It will affect the multisport guys the most..
People like Matt Holliday, Russell Wilson, Kyle Parker may never have given baseball a shot if they had these options on the table.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
There's no way to know.
Some would probably go for baseball either way. Some would probably go a different sport either way. And it’s not as if the other sports don’t have their own draft rules that affect the decisions of players. But really, there aren’t a huge number of multisport athletes (at least not ones that have real shots in more than one sport).
note the slot pool is a lot larger than originally thought
$7.2mil for the 1st overall pick almost meets what Cole got ($8mil). You can sign a guy for lower and throw a larger sum at a Matt Holliday or Josh Bell later in the draft if you want
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 7:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Or at least, that was my understanding earlier.
I know that people are still learning all the details.
It doesn't specify.
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Here's the list of teams that went over the $10mil pool for 2011..
and very few of them are large market teams.
Team 2011 Bonuses
Pirates $17,005,700
Nationals $15,002,100
Royals $14,066,000
Cubs $11,994,550
Diamondbacks $11,930,000
Rays $11,482,900
Mariners $11,330,500
Padres $11,020,600
Blue Jays $10,996,500
Red Sox $10,978,700
The Pirates would have lost their next two 1st and 2nd rd draft picks in next year’s CBA rules.
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I really think this may come back to bite
smaller market teams as it looks like they’ve finally realized that spending on the draft is the much more cost-effective route. But we’ll see, a lot of speculation at this point can really only be premature…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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What concerns me is the language that appears to lay the groundwork for an impending international draft..
teams like the Rockies have been successful internationally because they invested in Latin Baseball and scouting in Central and South America. An international draft would give other teams a leg up in this area and nullify the investment the Rockies and other clubs have spent in this arena.
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It definitely will impact things
though if we have the scouting infrastructure there we’ll still be ahead for a bit…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
there's also a small possibility
that by limiting teams to a 2.9 million annual budget for international signings that it makes teams less interested in scouting those areas since 2.9 mill is a small amount. Since we already have a pretty substantial presence built and a new Dominican Academy on the way, it would be sunk costs to stop so there may be a silver lining here…
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I will be commenting on this in tomorrow's Rockpile
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
I just wrote a novel. Crap.
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told playoff fields will expand IMMEDIATELY, for 2012. 5 teams in each league, with a one-game playoff between two wildcards
Also additional replay for foul balls and traps.
Woo-hoo! On the replays!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
Whoa
I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.
by prettyinpurple on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
I'm very interested to see how they handle baserunners on trapped ball plays
There’s going to need to be a lot of language in the rules there to cover their butts.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
But what it's the 9th inning with one out and a man on first (batting team down a run) and the ball is hit down the RF line and ruled a trap on the field (It was really catch)
The runner is around 2B when the ball is “caught” and ends up at third. The RF pops up and quickly gets it back to first knowing he really caught the ball for what could be an inning ending DP. How is the umpire supposed to determine if that really would have been a DP or not?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Note on the replays.
Still subject to negotiation with the umpires union. But don’t see why they would object. Maybe would just want a say in the details of implementation.
Braun MVP
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Well,
That’s the second piece of hardward he’s received that he doesn’t deserve.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
I agree.
Kemp was the best player in the league. Braun went to the playoffs though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Fortunately for him that fact appently didn't matter when it came to ROTY voting
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Well
Braun outbatted Kemp, outfielded Kemp, outbaseran Kemp (if you believe BsR), but Kemp did it from CF while Braun did it from LF.
Sabrmetrically speaking, positional adjustment gave it to Kemp, at least as far as Fangraphs is concerned.
Unless you’re looking at rWAR, because then Kemp got totally jobbed.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
kemp also played in 10 more games
but i’m pretty okay with it, i reckon
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I don't buy the Braun outbatted or outfielded Kemp when it comes to what we should be looking at in terms of this award
Here’s how I break it down…
Braun only beat Kemp’s OPS by 8 points (.994 to .986) and by 14 wOBA points (.433 to .419). Fangraphs however apparently thinks it’s just as easy to hit in Dodger Stadium though as it is in Miller Park wich I don’t agree with at all. As close as those numbers are, I’d give the offensive edge to Kemp. (Kemp 1, Braun 0)
As far as fielding goes, only UZR likes Kemp better (and even that was by a mere 0.8 runs – Basically nothing) while Total Zone, DRS, and my eyes all thought Kemp was more productive. (Kemp 2, Braun 0)
BsR on fangraphs likes Braun’s baserunning better by a run but baseball reference likes Kemps baserunning better by two runs. (I think it’s safe to call this a wash)
Kemp did it from CF while Braun did it from LF as you already mentioned so again, advantage Kemp. (Kemp 3, Braun 0)
Kemp also played in more games than Braun. (Kemp 4, Braun 0)
And then there’s that annoying, but very important little detail the Braun supporters conveniently gloss over. Braun had Prince Fielder and his .971 OPS batting behind him while Kemp had a combination of Juan Rivera, James Loney, Juan Uribe, Arron Miles, and other forms of mediocracy batting behind him. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Kemp was intentially walked 24 times while Braun was only intentially walked two. Braun simply saw much better pitches to hit because he was not the only guy who could beat you in that line up. Once you got by Kemp in the Dodger lineup however, things became MUCH easier. (Kemp 5, Braun 0)
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
And this is just how I broke it down
Others are free to disagree of course but I personally don’t think it’s close at all.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
You can't fault Braun for other teams intentionally walking Kemp
That’s entirely not fair.
1. You can’t look at raw numbers without park adjusting. wRC+ favors Braun over Kemp. You can’t just disagree with their park effects because they don’t support your case. Braun batted better than Kemp. (Braun 1, Kemp 0)
2. I’m more than happy to concede the fielding. (Braun 1, Kemp 1)
3. Agreed on the wash for BSR. I was just throwing it out there, as their SB numbers are both very good.
4. Similar levels of fielding from different positions goes to Kemp (Braun 1, Kemp 2)
5. The extra games DID help Kemp provide 5 extra runs for his team (5 wRC) (Braun 1, Kemp 3)
6. Those intentional walks to Kemp actually helped his batting line. You can’t assume that in those 24 PA that he would’ve reached base. Furthermore, crediting Kemp while faulting Braun is unfair, as it’s not their fault where their managers decided to bat them. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
My tally of your points has it as Kemp 3, Braun 1, and the rest is subjective. Which is also why I voted for Kemp over Braun. But it’s not the egregious highway robbery you’re making it out to be. Braun had an OUTSTANDING season. Kemp’s was better, but not by leaps and bounds.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Makes sense to me
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Robbed might be an overstatement
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
just as deserving as verlander, IMO
if you believe pitchers should be allowed to win, anyway
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
why shouldn't pitchers be allowed to win?
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some people don't believe that a person who plays in 32-35 games can be more valuable than someone who plays in 150+
personally i’m all for pitcher MVPs, especially verlander this year.
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
A pitcher is responsible for every play that happens
when they’re on the field for those 32-35 games.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
absolutely
like i said, i’m all for pitchers winning the award
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I know
I’m just pointing out that the argument is flawed. :-)
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
He also pitches in the AL.
Meaning ~3 ABs the whole season.
Yea, I don’t like it.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
well
The NL pitchers get to pitch to a pitcher.
Both leagues have to field their position.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
Though this was a strictly AL positional players vs. AL pitchers argument.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Oh
Well if it was, I still think the point stands.
Actually, I’d wager that Batters Faced + Total Chances (this is all for a given pitcher) > Plate Appearances + Total Chances (position players).
That said, position players have the additional impact of being baserunners as well, while AL pitchers won’t.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
I'm personally AGAINST pitchers winning MVP
But until the wording states “Only Position Players should be considered”, I just have to grit my teeth and bear it.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
the conventional argument is
twofold.
A. Pitchers do not play every day like other players do.
B. They have their own award.
In some cases, I think the season put up by a certain pitcher warrants inclusion in MVP balloting.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
C. Every other player has their own award
Gold Glove, Silver Slugger.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
SdCat09 award
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elusive and coveted
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Pointless and sad
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Cy Young is prestigious.
You can’t compare the Gold Glove and Silver Slugger to the Cy Young.’
Pitchers win SS and GG too, bruh
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
The award is called Most Valuable Player
When Verlander was on the mound, the Tigers were 25-9, a .735 winning percentage – with him, they make the playoffs, without him they don’t.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
It's not that simple.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
I don't understand why not.
I’m not saying pitchers should be voted MVP every year, I’m fine with it happening every 26. I just don’t see any other players who were as valuable to their teams as Verlander was.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Who said it's the Most Valuable To Your Team award?
/devilsadvocate
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Well then Most Valuable to whom?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Most Valuable to opposing pitchers when you have RISP
And the winner is…
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions
Well
He was technically in a Rockies uniform for the 2011 season, in which he won the MVOPWRISP award. So I went old school.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 23, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Most Value Provided
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
Well your C. is kind of the argument for pitchers winning MVP
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 22, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
It was meant to be a snarky rebuttal :-)
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
If you take "most valuable player" literally
A starting pitcher should win every year. And no, I’m not kidding. Verlander was 21 games over 500 this year. That’s 10 1/2 more games won than an average pitcher would have. And that’s not counting all the innings he saved his bullpen. His team was 28 games over.
No non-SP comes close to that value, IMO, WAR notwithstanding.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
you're kind of assigning zero value to his offense and defense in games he started
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Appropriately so, I think
Since the Tigers in games he didn’t start were about a 500 team, and they had some other decent pitchers. Suggests their hitters and defenders as a group were about ML average.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 1:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
but even an average team has higher than zero value
An average team wins 81 games. An average team wins half of Verlanders starts with an average starting pitcher.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't say zero value
But on many nights, their value is offset by the eight guys in the other lineup. In how many starts is Verlander’s value going to be cancelled out by the other starting pitcher? Maybe a handful, but not many.
I’m not sure I agree that a starting pitcher should win the MVP every year, but I think it should happen more often. I sure don’t see anyone in the AL that was worth more to his team this year than was Verlander.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't say zero value
But on many nights, their value is offset by the eight guys in the other lineup. In how many starts is Verlander’s value going to be cancelled out by the other starting pitcher? Maybe a handful, but not many.
I’m not sure I agree that a starting pitcher should win the MVP every year, but I think it should happen more often. I sure don’t see anyone in the AL that was worth more to his team this year than was Verlander.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
You're mention of Sugar intrigued me
I saw it at the Landmark Mayan the day it came there. Liked the directors’ other stuff in half nelson and such, but really didn’t like Sugar. Thought the baseball scenes were awful, plot points were expected during the baseball season, white christian family, cute daughter etc. Though the third act when he stops playing baseball I thought was way too short and the most effective part of the movie. This is not to say it’s bad, it’s very solid, though was expecting more from the director/writer combo from their previous movies. What did you think?
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I thought Sugar was an OK movie
But didn’t like it as much as the critics did. Good story, but not that well-written of a film.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
I liked it.
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I liked it as well
I think it told a perspective that had never really occurred to me as a baseball fan. I certainly take the culture shock elements far more seriously now, mainly because of it.
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that was the reason I mentioned it
And that is the film’s real strength. Some of the pacing, cinematography and writing was off, but it is worth watching for that reason alone.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 1:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
For me the most powerful scene in the movie
Was near the end, then all the guys he was playing “pickup ball” with in NYC start giving their names and the MLB organization that brought then to the States. That was really cool – player after player who left home to pursue life in the bigs, still playing ball for the love of the game.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
That scene redeemed it for me...
It sort of lost me when Azucar gave up playing ball.
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He was kind of a creep, to be honest, but I have no problems with his work. I liked Sugar more than you did, but it doesn’t stand out to me like it has some others.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
film*
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 22, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
The most interesting part of the new CBA for me...
… is that all players that declared Major League Free Agency who sign one year minor league contracts will be allowed to opt-out by June 1st and must be paid $100,000 if they stay with the team past opening day. This could definitely affect the way teams choose to stack their minor league rosters with filler types.
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Teams are also no longer able to sign players to MLB contracts to start their careers.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 22, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Does this mean a guy like Bryce Harper would have just had to sign and get paid league minimum his first three years?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Well, it means that Harper's MLB development clock can't be started.
Players on optional assignment make minor league salaries anyway, not MLB ones. Unless Harper’s contract as some kind of exception, he got p[aid with his signing bonus ans is making MiLB money ever since.
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I need a new keyboard. :D
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
From Jon Heyman:
Among teams interested in huston street are bluejays, o’s, marlins, redsox, reds and mets (tho geren feud is deterrent)
LOL on the Bob Geren comment. Ya think?
Seriously. LOL
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How about Street for LoMo? I like LoMo. I think he would do good in Denver.
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street, bettis, and rosario, more like
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............................
Joking eh?
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
I guess I am.
Not really. Its not the fact of not liking Street. I do like him. Let’s bolster up with a RH OF that can hit. I’m still in favor of getting the Hammer. If its 3/25. They should do it.
I know I will hear it now.
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well logan morrison is left-handed, not right
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I thought he was right? My bad. Forget him then. GET THE HAMMER!
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so many things wrong with this.
LoMo is left-handed OF. And Street-LoMo is a horrible trade proposal, considering the Marlins will slam the phone down if it’s a serious offer.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
LoMo in LoDo?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Breaking News: Kyle Orton released
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They tried before the deadline 4 weeks ago.
This almost makes me as happy as Wiggy getting traded.
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Why? Orton wasn't starting anymore..
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Because
Tebow is the only person ever allowed to play on the Broncos ever and all the fans were right from the start and they should have fired Orton before he was even born, I mean Tebow is just a WINNER and Orton just has a mustache.
/barf.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
If you want to look at it that way
It removes the chance of Orton ever taking another snap as a Bronco again. I’d rather see Willis McGahee take direct snaps from center than have Orton line up there again.
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I know you can't possibly really mean this...
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Jesus just de-friended you!
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Direct snaps, or not have Orton starting for the Broncos anymore?
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Direct snaps to McGahee.....over Orton at QB
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I'd take it.
But first I’d want to see Quinn or Weber get a chance.
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I wouldn’t want a competent QB taking snaps, either. Better to let the incompetent run an offense that might take 2-3 more weeks to figure out and stop.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
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Orton certainly wasn’t elite, but he was decent. People are treating him like he was downright terrible, and he wasn’t.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Did you even watch the first half of the San Diego game?
Or any of the games he started this year? He didn’t quit like Plummer did after Cutler got drafted, but he could not finish a game.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
But that wasn't all his fault either.
Poor running game, porous defense. You can try and pin it all on Orton or try to pin the wins all on Tebow but it takes the ENTIRE team to win and lose.
I miss Plummer still.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
THIS
Minus the Plummer part – I could take him or leave him. I’m in the small minority that misses Cutler (not his attitude, just his play).
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
I also miss Cutler the player
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
My favorite thing
during the Josh McDaniels organizational exodus was watching to the 9News sports guy (his name is escaping me now) do his “Players that aren’t good enough to play for the Broncos” highlight reel, which was devoted to the week’s highlights of Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Tony Scheffler, etc.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
I'm in this camp.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
ooh <3 jake the snake
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
And Tebow is the exact opposite
He plays 55 s****y minutes of football, and wins on the merit of one good drive and excellent defense. I swear, if the defense played as well as it had the past 5 weeks (outside of the game against Detroit), Orton would be doing just fine.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
Lol
Spider-man : Venom :: Tebow : Wiggy
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
The Broncos have the youngest O and D Lines in the league
And the game is beginning to click for them. Also, if you look at the whole season and omit the Green Bay and Detroit games, the Broncos had a chance to win every single one of those games up to the end. I bet if Quinn or Weber was starting for us from game 1, we would have won more than 1 of those first 5 games.
I’ve watched Orton in Chicago and Denver, and he is the Quarterback equivalent of Ty Wiggington. Great on paper, but horrible under pressure.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
And, Von Miller has gone from a nice addition
to a freaking beast – in the course of 10 weeks.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously
He’s the only player on the Broncos I’d seriously consider buying a jersey for right now
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
I'd customize a Jersey
It would have the number 150 on the back and the name would be VonDoom
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I like it
I also think the Tebow jerseys with “Jesus” as the name on back are quite hilarious
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
I do wonder what Tebow thinks of those....
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Honestly,
I don’t think he cares. And if he did, he wouldn’t do/say anything about it.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I saw a guy at Thursday night's game
With an orange T-shirt, big Star of David in the middle, and “Jews for Tebow” across the chest.
I almost fell down the stairs laughing.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Bahahaha
That’s amazing. I want one
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
They must be for sale somewhere
It was no homemade job – looked very cool.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
saw that on the news
hilarious
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
if my aunt had bollocks she would be my uncle
you don’t think dominating the TOP has anything to do with the defense flying around the field?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
If we had any kind of running game
when Orton was under Center, we could make that argument for him as well.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
I'd agree
Except that for 3 of Orton’s 5 starts this year, McGahee had 100+ yard rushing games, and the other two games where he didn’t we lost by a total of six points.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Right but Tebow is a big part of why that running game
has worked over the last 5.5 games. You can’t just hammer tebow for completion%(ignoring that he has never worked with these inexperienced WR before) and ignore that Tebow in 3rd in the AFC in rushing yardage over the last 4 weeks
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
The running quarterback
Isn’t a very sustainable model in the NFL unless you want your QBs injured.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
thankfully
we have a middle linebacker playing QB
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I was going to go with tight end
but point taken :-)
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
running back?
Didn’t he actually play wide receiver in one game?
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
He did
That was the game where all our WRs keeled over and died, wasn’t it? Against the Bengals?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
I was so confused.
I turned it on like midway thru the 2nd qtr and the announcers keep talking about Tebow but it was Orton lined up behind center and I couldn’t figure out what was going on until they talked about it at the half.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
Yep. He was the 3rd WR
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And coincedentally
That was the only game Denver won with Orton starting.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Orton was making 8 million to pout on a corner of the sideline
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
He never once pouted.
Quite the opposite, he was a team player to the end. I ever saw him cheering in the SD game right after he was benched.
So in summary, McD traded Jay Cutler for:
Knowshon Moreno
that other Gronkowski brother
Kyle Orton.
Way to deal.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
by Since1993 on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You forget that we traded our first round pick to get Elfphonso Smith
who after one year was traded for a 4-5th round pick
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Didn't forget...
We traded that 1 for Smith whom we then traded to Detroit for Gronkowski – first name? Who cares?
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
so the whole haul for Cutler, BMarsh, Hillis and Scheffler
was Orton(cut) Robert Ayers(Moreno was our pick with Cushing, Orakpo, and Clay Matthews still on the Board), Alphoso Smith(we picked four players while Lesean Mccoy sat on the board(traded for Dan Gronkowski(cut))), 1/3 of Tim Tebow(we packaged the pick from Miami), and Brady Quinn.
So to recap for a Pro Bowl WR, we got part of Tebow, for a Pro Bowl RB we got a backup QB, and for a “Franchise QB” we got a backup DE, and a Nickel Back….. I really want to play Poker with JMac
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
You ought to hate the owner who fired the personel guys
who in 2006 got Cutler in the 1st, Scheffler in the 2nd, Dumervil, BMarsh and Dominick Hixon in the 4th(arguably the best 4th round any team has ever had) and Chris Kuper in the 5th. The 07 draft probably would have gone better if we hadn’t tried so hard to draft for need but we still got Ryan Harris in the 3rd and Marcus Thomas in the 4th. then 08 with Clady, Royal, Torain(5th), Larsen(5th) and Hillis(7th).
All of that recent success and he hands personel over to a 31yo who is one year removed from being a position coach.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Its a possibility to get 2.5 million off the books.
With the Bears, Chiefs, and Texans looking for a near starting caliber QB, he should get picked up by Sunday.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Orton back in Chicago might make me giggle
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
What the hell is wrong with Matt Cassell?
Haven’twatchedthatmuchfootballthisyear
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Von Miller broke his hand two weeks ago.
I think he’s done for the season, or at least the near future.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
VON MILLER BROKE HIS HAND?!
:-)
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
IR as of yesterday
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Aside from his broken hand?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
deadline passed several weeks ago.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Wow. That's kind of sad :(
Maybe he just wanted out.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
You think?
I’d want out too – Denver fans have been downright horrible to him.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
and Cutler and Griese . . .
and every other QB not named Elway or Tebow.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
half of Denver hates Tebow as well
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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And I wouldn't say they hate Tebow
I think a lot of people resent the buzz around him, especially considering the unsustainable style of play we’ve seen thus far.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
The half that hate/resent him
will cheer for him as long as the team wins. If the team stops winning with him in….well, I guess I’ll just be glad I don’t live in Denver if that meltdown happens :)
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Exactly
I’m thrilled that we’re 4-1 with him under the helm, and if we’re contenders in the future, I’ll eat all of my words about him and cheer with the rest of the city, but right now he has the football equivalent of a .100 BABIP…
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly.
I don’t hate him. But I’m unimpressed so far and definitely not a fan.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
I'm not necessarily impressed and wouldn't consider myself a fan (though I do like the guy).
But I have to admit that even though I don’t really think he’s the future QB (and neither was Orton, which is why I have no issue with releasing him—it’s probably a favor to him, frankly), I’m finding the season pretty entertaining right now. Which I don’t think would have been happening with Orton.
This, totally this.
I’ll give Tebow through the off season to see if he can improve. If he can’t, then lets see what the next guy can do.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I'm parked in this lot as well.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
And the ridiculous Teboners are even turing on Elway...
for suggesting Jesus’ favourite son might have a little work to do throwing the football.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
They really have..
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I would if I were him.
Too bad they couldn’t get anything for him.
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
The trade deadling already passed
so we couldn’t have gotten anything anyway. It was this or make him sit the entire year.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Does he go back to the Bears?
And sub for Cutler for 5-6 weeks?
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
That's what I think will happen
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
You're discounting the Caleb Hanie magic!
Actually, in one half against the Pack, he put up numbers that Tebow has yet to throw for in a whole game.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
hahahaha
Broncos FAIL.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
They could've had a 3rd-4th round pick for him in the offseason, but they held out for a 2nd round.
Just stupid.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
The Orton trade was similar to the Michael Young trade.
It was all good with the Dolphins until they decided they didn’t want to work with Orton’s salary demands for an extension.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Mile High Report is a great site for Broncos coverage
>:-0
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah guys!
All this Broncos is getting in the way of discussing… Rockies news… or something!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
this is the kind of thing that made us start the OT
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
I know...
I do kinda feel bad
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Saint Tebus, pray for him!
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I snark because I care.
by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
Taking my mini-plan renewal over to Coors Field this afternoon
And to show you how often I still use the U.S. mail, I randomly pulled a “Happy New Year 2007” address label out of my desk drawer to put on the outer envelope.
Is this a sign? Does this mean these tickets are a prelude to a miracle run to the World Series?
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
only if you continue to use those address lables throughout the season
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
Works for me!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I'll be sure to link everyone to this post if it does.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure
Can we pull out to an early 5-10 game lead in the West and keep it throughout the season? I would prefer this to a miracle run. Do you have any special address labels for that?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
How about a compromise...
The Rox look set to get the wildcard for the last couple months of the season, but look hopeless the gain the division title. Then they have a miracle run in order to snatch their first ever division title.
Supporting efforts to create a genetic splice of Jonathan Herrera and Troy Tulowitzki since 2011.
The NewNugs 2011 - Officially back on the Bandwagon
I <3 Johnson
by SurfaceThought on Nov 22, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Solid.
As long as we’re hot going into the postseason, that’s all that matters.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
I like it
Especially now that a wildcard berth is no guarantee of playing more than 1 postseason game. But it is a guaranteed heart attack
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
Nope
Instead the Rockies will remain just below .500 until early August, go a nice run the last two months as the young pitchers get a little more experience under their belt, Arenado is called up, and Tulo goes on his typical late season rampage. They end up tied for the second Wild Card spot with about 85 wins, win a play in game to get into the real play in game, win the real play in game too, and then continue the run into the playoffs. All this while everyone complains that it’s a fluke and the Rockies don’t deserve to be there.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Haha
I would love/hate this so much.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
Just one thing though....
can’t we have them win the division this year? Or does this mean that we have to win the wildcard again?
Supporting efforts to create a genetic splice of Jonathan Herrera and Troy Tulowitzki since 2011.
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I <3 Johnson
by SurfaceThought on Nov 22, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
Hello Purple Row! Hellow RowBots! Hello World!
I was in South Park for a couple of days enjoying the beautiful scenery, good food, good libations, with some very good friends. And what do I find when I descend the mountains?
SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS WIGGINTON HAS BEEN TRADED
TODAY IS A BEAUTIFUL DAY
I’m sorry I missed out on the celebration yesterday…. This is just truly…. sniff sniff Oh, I told myself I wouldn’t cry… sniff so got-danged beautiful
Supporting efforts to create a genetic splice of Jonathan Herrera and Troy Tulowitzki since 2011.
The NewNugs 2011 - Officially back on the Bandwagon
I <3 Johnson
Yeah
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Linking yourself from yesterday?
C’mon now, I’ve come to expect more from you, RIRF.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
Yesterday he RIRFed himself from last year.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I know
Every time I see a RIRF post with purple text, I get so excited – this one was just a little bit of a letdown.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Does this make me a real Rockie?
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
BAHAHAHA
This is excellent, good sir. You’ve earned back my respect, along with a rec.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
o/t: Avs tickets
I have a friend trying to sell two tickets to Avs game on Monday night.
Sec 200. Row 1.
I may buy one. Would anyone else be interested in the other or both?
Looking at you RMN.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 2:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Oooooo and it comes with a VIP parking pass
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I have access to season tickets
why you lookin at me
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't know you did.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
:D
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so, you're the one with the season tickets then?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
This is from Renck. I see where his allegience lies. LOL. Part of me is joking when I say that.
“How I voted: Braun, Kemp, Fielder, Upton, Votto, Pujols, Howard, Tulo, Kershaw, Reyes”
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
that's a good ballot
i think i’d have tulo and votto switched, though
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Just FYI
The beginning of the sig made me laugh
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks on the sig thing.
I put that because I forgot how many days are left. I need an update.
A big number of days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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much better number
you can also download a yahoo widget to put on your desktop (if you don’t mind Target symbol in the corner)
But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!
That has P&C reporting at 5 am!
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:07 PM MST reply actions
Does he play 3B and have enough bat to hit behind Tulowitzki?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The anti-Wigginton?
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The anti-Tulowitzki?
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Interesting. Considering he can’t throw, I guess he’d be a first basemen, right?
by DesertTurtle on Nov 22, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
He threw pretty damn god in college.
Let’s put him in left field, we can waste his legs.
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"he threw pretty damn god"?
I have to say, I don’t think I’ve heard his testimony described quite that way before….
I like it… :=D
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by Junction Rox on Nov 22, 2011 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
he didn't throw well in college
he had an outstanding O-line and receivers
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
66% completion percentage SEC records for yardage and touchdowns
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It's because ever since JDLR went down,
we’ve been craving a southpaw with crazy late movement on his breaking pitches.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Boom Roasted.
Rec
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
goddamn, seriously
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
To be fair
I did fuel that fire like a tank of propane.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
TRADE: @Padres acquire catcher John Baker from @Marlins for LHP Wade LeBlanc.
Yessss, come to Denver, Nolasco….
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM MST reply actions
I approve.
What do you think it’ll cost us? Do they need a catcher now?
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 22, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
we've got
uh…. other cool stuff….
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
I thought Wiggintons were in "back order" status
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
they have John Buck still, who is making a good amount
So not really
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'd probably do something like..
Rogers + mid-tier PuRP.
Something like that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
…for Nolasco?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Gotta believe it would take quite a bit more than that
Nolasco’s no ace, but he hangs in games long enough to record double-digit wins in 5 out of his 6 MLB seasons. Somebody’s going to offer the Marlins more than Esmil+prospect.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
He was extremely hittable last year.
Not.Sure.Want.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not necessarily dying to get him either
But teams will make decent offers for a guy who perennially puts up double-digit wins, regardless of his other numbers. I just don’t think any trade package built around Rogers gets us much in return. I like Rogers and think he has an intriguing arm, but he just can’t cobble together a solid month of good pitching, let alone a full season.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
I've always said Rogers needs to go to the bullpen ASAP.
IF he doesn’t get traded, convert him there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
Let's not use wins when evaluating a pitcher, please.
The numbers don’t look too sexy.
He’s a very hittable pitcher, always has been. His strikeout % has been decreasing the last 3 years. His groundball/flyball ratio is average.
he will eat innings, though.
I doubt he will cost much more than Rogers + mid-tier PuRP.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Also.
He will make $9 million next year. And $11.5 the year after that.
Yea… Pass.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
You can discount wins all you want, I don't care
But you can’t tell me they don’t factor into a pitcher’s trade value.
I didn’t say OMG OMG OMG I want me some Nolasco because he’s a double-digit win machine!!!what I said was, that the Marlins are going to point to Nolasco’s wins when they entertain offers for him.
Or for another example of how teams cling topitcher wins as a measuring stick of value, consider that our “winningest pitcher in franchise history” has been taking home 1/8 of the payroll.
I never said I wanted Nolasco. But if I did, I would have to give up more than Rogers and a middling prospect.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Look at his peripheral numbers though.
I couldn’t care less about how many games he’s won.
I agree with you though, I don’t want him.
Also, we signed Cook to that contract after his very solid 2007, sooo. . . . .
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
His very solid 2007 in which he was 8-7.
the next two years after: 16-9, 11-6. . .
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
(you really dislike Cook, don't you)
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
No, I don't
I just find it funny that pitching wins are always an ridiculously archaic, 17th century measuring stick for starting pitchers… unless they are compiled at a clip of 7 or 8 per year over a decade by a likeable, familiar guy. Then, wins make you a franchise icon.
Anyway, I’m not even arguing with you over what the Rockies should or should or should not offer for Nolasco. All I said was that the offer you proposed wouldn’t get him, because MLB GMs still value wins. Maybe they overvalue them, but that doesn’t make it less of a fact.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
Cook's wins are just a testament of how long he pitched for us in respectable fashion
A couple seasons od downright good.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 22, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions
they'd hang up the phone homie
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
You think?
With us taking on all $20mil+ over two years?
Pft. I wouldn’t sound so confident.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Nolasco isn't very good.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
well
he’s not that bad either – and as usual, he should have a better ERA. His GB rate improved this past season and he doesn’t walk people, which always has value and hes for the most part an innings eater. Also, the Marlins no longer appear to have a 40 mill payroll. Let me put it this way – would you trade JDLR for Esmil and a mid-level prospect?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
JDLR is not Nolasco.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yea Nolasco has had a much more successful and productive career.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Pft.
Give me a break.
JDLR > Nolasco. And I’m not a homer.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty much this.
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Look at JDLR’s career. He’s going to miss two months of next season, he missed 4 months of this past season. He’s hit 185 innings once in his career and hasn’t posted ERAs clearly better than Nolasco throughout their respective careers and he’s a year and a half older. In 2013, it wouldn’t at all surprise me if JDLR is better – but if you really think the Marlins are going to trade a solid pitcher for a struggling reliever and a mid prospect, you’re being a different kind of homer.
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I really doubt LeBlanc makes it to the Marlins Opening Day rotation...
this looks like a depth move
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Depending on how he does in AA
and depending on Friedrich’s start to 2012 I might look into trading for Mike Olt to convert him to 1b. His 3b defense at 1b should be awesome and his power and walk rates (particularly the walk rate) are fantastic. The Rangers have Beltre at 3b and seem like they could use pitching…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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dude would be pretty expensive I'd guess.
Stock is high right now
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 22, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
K rate is a problem
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Yea, we don't like K rate around here.
AKA Stewart, and it shot down the chance of getting Stubbs even if there was a chance to get him
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guys who K 25% of the time in A ball
often don’t even make the majors. it’s a very legitimate thing to have concerns about, just as stubbs’s K rate is. i don’t see what there is to take issue with about that
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Doesn't mean a guy can't beat it.
but yep, red flag.
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it def is
and he k’d a ton in the AZL. Hence, the ‘depending on how he does in AA’ part. If that k-rate drops he’ll be worth a look
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rangers have such a stacked farm
/envy
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Changed the sig. Now that I have that bookmarked. I can update it everyday. At least try to
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So this Aquino guy
has basically put up these numbers without a consistent changeup and an extremely raw curveball?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
well yeah, but against 18 and under hitters
And that league really heavily favors pitchers who can throw strikes since the hitters are so raw
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 22, 2011 6:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
ah yea makes a ton of sense
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Part of the new CBA. I think the last section of this is a crock. Why don't they get punished more often. Do they think they are above MLB?
The competitive-balance tax is back to balance big market teams spending large amounts of cash on player payroll. In the new deal, the threshold of $178 million this past season will hold steady for 2012-13, then increase to $189 million for the final three years. The tax will decrease to 17.5 percent of the actual dollars spent for clubs exceeding the threshold for the first time, but the repeaters tax will increase to 50 percent of that same figure for clubs that have done it at least four consecutive times.
There will be no dispensation in this deal for the Yankees, who have been over the threshold every year. Their past spending pattern will carry over into the new agreement.
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New roster rule for double headers
One interesting tidbit in the new CBA is that teams can have an additional player on the roster (so a 26-man roster) for day-night double headers, provided they’re scheduled at least 48 hours in advance. The Rockies have already announced they’ll have a traditional double-header (I’m actually unclear if this applies to only day-night double headers or traditional as well, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t), so this should come into play.
Huh...I have to say, that's kind of cool.
So’s the new roster rule
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
Which roster rule?
There are actually a lot of interesting little tidbits that aren’t getting a lot of attention.
The extra player for doubleheaders
The Rockies actually scheduling a DH is all sorts of awesome, however.
I’m still waiting to find the time to digest the new CBA…
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions
Oh. Total comprehension fail on my part.
I thought you were referring to some other new roster rule.
No worries
I figured it was the shock of my actually showing up in the offseason…
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 8:27 PM MST up reply actions
And I just spent about 3 minutes
wondering what kind of rule would allow the Rockies to schedule a Designated Hitter….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 22, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
in reference to your digesting comment.
I would imagine it would give folks the “runs”, so to speak.
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Good prep for another season of tacos, no?
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
I hope they continue to do the taco thing.
And I wonder if there is a correlation between this. When the Rockies score 7 or more runs in a game, does the pollution level in the Denver area go up? Just asking because I know what Taco Bell does to me.
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Now you know how Denver gets its "brown air days"
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 9:47 PM MST up reply actions
Yea I know. I was just wondering if the next day after they score 7 if the pollution is worse. LOL
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Also, there's a new tobacco rule.
Players/coaches can’t carry tobacco products on them (i.e., no more outlines in the back pockets) or have them visible in the dugout. Also can’t use tobacco during tv interviews or at team functions. Also sounds like the union might be getting on guys cases about huge cheek wads (though unclear if the CBA actually addresses that).
Apparently it was the players that wanted this, and some guys will be participating in a public outreach campaign. The union will also have a Tobacco Cessation Center for players.
(link)
Good
It’s about damn time.
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
I would prefer banning it altogether, but I can understand why they don’t want to take that drastic a step all at once. So short of that, this is a pretty good start.
Give 'em all Big League Chew...that should do the trick.
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by Paleface Destro on Nov 22, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
I got a nice big chew in my cheek right now.
But it ain’t no Big League Chew
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See Raul Ibanez
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Okay well
I hope that means Jim Tracy can no longer do those pregame, zoom-in, close-up interviews from the dugout, during which he has tobacco specks all over his lips and unshaven chin. How in the world the Rockies’ PR people have allowed those is beyond me.
It’s not so much that I’m so squeemish about tobacco, or a shaving nazi for that matter. I just don’t know how a team lets its manager go Full Goober Pyle in interviews that are regularly scheduled and with a friendly TV network.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
Because its ROOTSports.
Remember, they came up with Twit talk. If they have that going, you know they will allow him to have chew during his interviews.
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But it's not ROOT's job to make sure the manager doesn't look like
he just came down from the hills to get moonshine supplies. That falls on the Rockies. And please understand – I’m all for players and coaches “being themselves” in interviews. But there are limits.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
they can certainly ask him to not look like ass in interviews
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
By the way he manages or the way he looks?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
both, though i imagine only one of those things would change
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
and which one is that?
See the thing that gets me is this. He did so well in 2009. What has he done so wrong to get this team to this point? Is it because he started platooning everybody?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 22, 2011 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
essentially, yeah
he ceased using a consistent lineup and consistent starters among the position players, which he had done in 09
the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
Then why dont he get back to basics and sue this winning combination.
What’s the famous saying? IF IT AIN’T BROKE. DON’T FIX IT
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
because as Blade says
“Some Mother****ers are always trying to ice skate uphill”
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Awesome.
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Other tidbits of the CBA I like..
Elias Rankings no longer used - No longer will arbitration be based on RBI, Pitcher wins and Fielding%.
Some Draft picks can be traded - Starting 2013 there will be a competitive balance lottery of draft picks for teams who refuse to pay a competitive payroll, or underreporting their annual budget (aka Miami Marlins). I don’t like that part, but as an addendum these picks can be traded at specified times during the season.
Drafted players may only sign Minor League contracts. – Really these young guys aren’t ready to be placed on a big league roster. The bonus should be enough, they shouldn’t be taking roster space.
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I think the Rockies' Memorial Day DH is actually a day-night affair
Some fans are going to get free tickets for the night game (I think you have to buy a qualifying mini-plan), but I believe the games require separate admission.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 22, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think that's what I heard as well.
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I hope there's a link
to the whole CBA sometime in the future. On another note where are you finding these tidbits?
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You can read it..
at the bizofbaseball site or download the MLBP PDF version.
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Perfect
Thanks Charlie77
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
There's a nice recap, at an SBN site called..
Bonus Baby that explains some of the effects of this new CBA.
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Those are just the summaries.
The actual document will be much longer, hundreds of pages long. It will be posted at the MLBPA’s website eventually. If you want to read the old one, click this. I am assuming the new one will replace it once it is fully drafted and signed in.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 PM MST up reply actions
I'm interested to read the specifics on the Social Media policy when it becomes available.
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