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Tuesday Rockpile: Role of Wilin Rosario May Be Decided Soon

It is Sneak Week.  Just as the college "Dead Week" is more active than it deserves to be prior to Finals Week, the week setting up next week's Winter Meetings can have a bit of unexpected activity as well.  A few rumors surfaced about the Rockies yesterday, most dealing with the catching position.  Dan O'Dowd was apparently busy on Cyber Monday, but it remains to be seen if the groundwork laid will end up in Wilin Rosario receiving a AAA membership or big league ticket.

The big rumor is situated below this story on the front page, with Colorado showing interest in Ramon Hernandez.  The 35-year old Venezuelan is the very definition of reliable and steady.  He has been a league average bat his entire career, peaking with a 4+ WAR season in 2006 after a 2003 All-Star season.  The former Red/Oriole/Padre/Athletic has posted a wRC+ between 83 and 118 in each of his last nine seasons, including 111 and 114 in the last two seasons.  If he matches the worst of his last two seasons in 2012, he would post the best offensive season by a Rockies catcher since Chris Iannetta in 2008.

Hernandez succeeds by limiting strikeouts.  He doesn't walk a lot, has decent pop, and is ok defensively, but nothing sticks out about him.  He's just a reliable starting catcher, and therein lies the bigger story of the Rockies' interest.  Hernandez is still starting catcher quality.  If O'Dowd does get Hernandez in purple, incumbent Chris Iannetta would be shipped out, with Wilin Rosario still having a non-guaranteed chance of earning a backup role.  The trade-off from Iannetta to Hernandez likely wouldn't be significant.  A higher ceiling of production would be traded for a higher floor, though it could be noted Hernandez would probably be in Jim Tracy's favor more.  Add an assumed fair return for Iannetta, and the merry-go-round would be an almost clear win.

Rumors are that the Angels are interested in Iannetta, though no names were mentioned in the other half of an exchange.  The match makes sense, as the Angels know Jeff Mathis isn't a starting catcher (chuckle), and new GM Jerry DiPoto was working for Colorado in 2005, Iannetta's first full season in the organization and a year prior to his MLB debut.  It would be a tough fit for Iannetta himself though, as his high K/high BB/poor defense/low average profile is comparable to Mike Napoli, who got the boot from Mike Scioscia.  

O'Dowd was also setting up a backup plan, with former Dodger/Ray Dioner Navarro on the radar.  While Navarro was an All-Star just three years ago, he hasn't posted an OPS over .600 since.  Navarro would slide into the backup role at best, leaving Iannetta's status safe.  If Navarro came to Colorado, it would likely indicate the organization's desire to at least start Rosario at AAA in April.

 

Other rumors:

The Cubs are interested in Ian Stewart in some capacity.  If a trade works there, all they need to do is sign Garrett Atkins, and the Rockies' jam-packed third base position of 2006 will be reunited.  Stewart will be tendered, but some writers may be proven sloppy in their interpretation of an O'Dowd quote.  Tendering a contract is no guarantee of wanting to keep a player.  Cough cough.

Jonathan Broxton has signed a one-year $4mil deal with the Royals.  The Rockies courted him quite a bit of late.

Former Rockie LaTroy Hawkins is on the radar too.  The Rockies' interest in Hernandez, Broxton and Hawkins indicate a willingness to trade Chris Iannetta and Huston Street.

Star-divide

Rockies' Eric Young Jr. explains dismissal from winter ball in Venezuela | MLB.com: News  Young Jr. released a statement, explaining that the reports that he was fired from his Winter League team for being late twice were false.  Rather, he was late once as a result of several unfortunate events, he explains.  His manager Don Baylor apparently backed Young's decisions that led to his dismissal.  Whether the events are related is impossible to know, but Baylor was fired yesterday as well.

Rockies: Veteran pitcher tops wish list – USATODAY.com  This link probably doesn't belong here.  If you weren't familiar with the state of the Rockies, you wouldn't be reading a Purple Row story under the fold.  But hey, if you want to check in on the Readers Digest USA Today version of the Rockies, take a gander.  It is dead on accurate.

A's ponder spring site switch from Phoenix to Mesa - MLB - Yahoo! Sports  This is good news for Spring Training goers.  Oakland has been playing at the ancient Phoenix Municipal Stadium and may upgrade to the newly vacated (by the Cubs) Hohokam Park in coming years.  One reason this is good news - Phoenix Municipal has worse obstructed views than Fenway Park.  Here was the view of "home plate" from my paid seat in March.

Sports Extra - Blogs - Drillers 2012 tickets go on sale Thursday  | Tulsa World  You can also book your Texas League All Star tickets if you are interested.  If you didn't know, single game Rockies tickets went on sale yesterday.  I already noticed most of the club section for Father's Day has been sold out.

Baseball Career Conference at the Baseball Winter Meetings | Sports Management Worldwide  Speaking of Texas, the Winter Meetings will take place starting Monday in Dallas.  Near the beginning of the festivities, a huge career conference will take place.  More than 20 recognizable names in the baseball industry will speak from various roles and backgrounds - general managers John Mozeliak (Cardinals) and Ned Colletti (Dodgers), writers Rob Neyer and Tracy Ringolsby, blogger Craig Calcaterra, broadcasters, scouts, players, attorneys, analysts, and Cory Schwartz, VP of MLB Stats Inc.  If you dream of a job in baseball, this is a fantastic opportunity.  Some will even be selected to interview next Monday.  The day concludes with five speakers who earned a baseball career through this exact channel.  Register by tomorrow - cost is $150 for college students, $225 general admission.

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Pfft

I was going to write about that today too…got sidetracked with catcher stuff

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 8:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll write about it tomorrow

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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Thank you for the EY link

my anger has subsided. Venezuela needs to do all they can to ensure the safety of ALL ball players, not just MLB’s. First, I wonder why you would ask a family member to come down there given the circumstances, but if they gave promises and they were not met I dont blame EY for taking things into his own hands….

But end result is he is not getting better at 2B which is my main concern this off season for me….so what have you done for me lately EY????

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

taken literally, he hit .230 in the Venezuelan League over 30games

So you know…that

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 8:35 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

so tearin' it up then

I heard the entire island plays like citi-Field in April…But I dont care about the O, its the D man, that’s what I want him to work on. Glennallen Hill paging glennallen Hill…..

But, but speed??!!

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Venezuela is an island?

With how fast that happened, it must be on a crash course with the Yucatan

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 8:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

/2012

Damn Mayans had it right after all.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Margarita Island

geesh….Its only Jimmy Buffett’s second favorite place to be…

I should actually ask for a sabbatical there

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Is it bad

That I was thinking more of a Margarita Pizza than the beverage?

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Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

If Young could match last year's offensive performance

while providing only somewhat below average defense at second base, he’d be better than most of our 011 second basemen other than Ellis. I would be willing to take that for 2012 as long as we can improve for 2013.

by RoxnSox09 on Nov 29, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

A Fish, love that shot of spring training site's

Whats wrong with that home plate view? Its spring training, your supposed to be wasted just not sitting on the ground by the seat

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM MST reply actions  

Yeah

Worst part, we looked at our tickets are were all excited to be sitting 2nd row. God, what a let down. I think we spent most of the game walking around.

by mkorpal on Nov 29, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you spent that game sitting next to me and my dad

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

$4million seem like a large price tag to hope Broxton regains his 06-09 form.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 9:04 AM MST reply actions  

Depends if he pulls a Gagne or not

considering what other relivers get i don’t think its horrible

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by waterboy31321 on Nov 29, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions  

One Year Deal

$4 million is a gamble but as a one year deal it’s an easy one to eat if it backfires.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

That was a two year deal

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

I was just saying… $4 million… backfiring… dammit I tried!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

and since Meche decided to gift them 15 million dollars last year

they are playing with house money anyways

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I feel like the Rockies could never hit that fat redneck, so I am very glad he’s off to another league.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

disappointed we didn't snag him

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Ramon Hernandez

I’d be okay with him depending what we get back for Iannetta. All things being equal, I’ll take the younger, homegrown guy who I personally like. I don’t think he’s as bad a defensive catcher as everyone else and if he could ever get his BA up just a few point he’d become a dangerous hitter, getting on base at over a .400 clip. But I admit, I am a fan of his and biased in my views, I do view him in the most positive light positive.

Navarro is less inspiring. I’d much prefer to just give Rosario the opportunity to be the 2nd catcher, but I guess if the Rockies prefer him to get more consistent playing time I can understand keeping him in AAA.

And as for trading Iannetta, I was thinking maybe the Mets could be a fit. Daniel Murphy’s supposedly available and we do need a 3B and they could use a catcher to pair with Thole. I do question whether Iannetta would be enough for NY though.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM MST reply actions  

I'd try to

package Iannetta and someone else to land a nice impact piece. A one for one swap seems kind of meh to me.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

This is all well and good, folks, but it’s not really a Rockpile until somebody tells me how this all relates to the Houston Astros.

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by Franchise26 on Nov 29, 2011 9:28 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

Trading Iannetta and signing a spanish-speaking catcher like Hernandez shows that the Rockies are serious about making Wandy Rodriguez comfrotable in Colorado. Trade imminent.

how about that?

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Mike Napoli plays for the Rangers
The Rangers are in the AL
The AL is where the Astros are moving in 2013, wherein they will become irrelevant because of the Rangers
The Rangers employ Mike Napoli

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

This means something. This is important.

/making a mash potato mountain

Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.

by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

the Napoli trade last offseason resulted in the biggest offseason Tremors

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Nicely done!

But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Very well done indeed Mr. Fisher

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I can do this in less than six degrees!

1) The Houston Astros are in the NL Central Division with the Chicago Cubs
2) The Chicago Cubs were featured in the movie Rookie of the Year, which starred Gary Busey.
3) Gary Busey was in Lethal Weapon with Danny Glover
4) Danny Glover was in Silverado with Kevin Costner
5) Kevin Costner was in JFK with Kevin Bacon.

Boom.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes

1) The Houston Astros are in the NL Central Division with the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim
2) The Angles were featured in the movie Angels in the outfield with Danny Glover
3) Danny Glover was in Silverado with Kevin Costner
4) Kevin Costner was in JFK with Kevin Bacon.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Fail

1) should be
1) The Houston Astros are in the AL West Division with the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Fail

1) should be
1) The Houston Astros are in the AL West Division with the Los Angeles Angles of Anaheim

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

BAHAHA nice

I was thinking The Rookie with Dennis Quaid, because his character plays his first game in Arlington, but didn’t feel like doing the work to get there.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I can do bettter.

1) The Houston Astros are in the NL Central Division with the Chicago Cubs
2) The Chicago Cubs were featured in the movie Ferris Beuler’s Day off starring Matthew Broderick
3) Matthew Broderick was the star of War games which featured Maury Chaykin
4) Maury Chaykin was in Where the Truth Lies with Kevin Bacon

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

or

1) The Houston Astros are a baseball team.
2) Dennis Quaid was in a baseball movie the Rookie and in the new Footloose.
3) Kevin Bacon was in the original Footloose.

But Ty Wigginton is an All-Star ?!?!

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

1) Greatest Astro of all time, Jeff Bagwell…
2) Played on the Astros with Tom Edens
3) Played on the Mets with Kevin Elster
4) Was in “Little Big League” with Wolfgang Boddison.
5) Was in “A Few Good Men” with Kevin Bacon.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 29, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, I obviously cheated (who the shit are Tom Edens and Wolfgang Boddison?) but I win anyway.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Nov 29, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone is a winner in their own eyes.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Then you finally see the truth

that a hero lies in you…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

i laughed

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Update: Rockies asked about Tyler Chatwood regarding Iannetta

He is 22 and was a rookie last year, and was about as effective as Esmil Rogers has been. Lots of walks, not many strikeouts, and certainly not the guaranteed innings eater type we are told they want.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 9:45 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Dac can rebuild him.

Dac has the technology. Better, stronger, faster.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

And bring in Bobby Valentine

I love that guy.

Tracy screwed the pooch last year but I don’t mind giving him another shot. I also wouldn’t mind bringing in someone new either though.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Valentine may be the manager of the Red Sox by the end of this week

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I know

And that makes me very sad.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

1000 x this

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Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

It takes a special man to conduct these kinds of special negotiations.

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by EmersonCR on Nov 29, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

was at the tail end of their top 10 prospects

Low 90’s fastball and sinker, decent curve, but he is perhaps smaller than Esmil and thus has little projection left even at his age. Seems to be Hammel-level at best

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 9:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Trade CDI for Chatwood.
Trade Street for Guthrie.
Trade Smith + prospect for Prado.
Sign Ramon Hernandez.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I like three of those moves.

Could we not get a better return for CDI than Chatwood?

Dan should just quote Jeff Mathis’ statistics periodically throughout the negotiation to reinforce our position of strength.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

No to CDO for Charwood

Yes to Trade Street for Guthrie, and trade Smith + prospect for Prado. Both those deals work just fine for me.

Yes to signing Hernandez contingent upon trading Iannetta, just for something better than Chadwick.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

If Street is going to be moved Vizcaino style for an innings eater

We don’t need Chatwood. I would prefer it if we got the best piece possible for Iannetta without regards to position and flip our return to get a bat that fits us.

I really wonder if Prado gets moved, the Braves are so stuck on Smith plus Wheeler right now and aren’t budging.

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by MattBerger on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Good GB pitcher in the minors

A+ 64% GB
AA 51.1% GB
MLB 47%

Not terrible for a 22 year old rookie, actually — though his upside does seem limited to back of rotation material.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

yep, the pluses are youth, cost/control and GB rate

There just doesn’t seem to be much more to him

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

One positive thing I will say about Chatwood is that he was pitching in High A as recently as the first half of 2010

To go from there to a major league rotation by the start of 2011 is quite a jump and probably led to some growing pains. I’m not sold that last year’s numbers are a great gauge of what he’ll become.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

but his minor league numbers aren’t all that special either.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

They were still good enough to ranked the #2 prospect in the Angels organization

going into this season by both John Sickels and Baseball America. I wouldn’t mind a straight up swap for Iannetta given all the particulars involved here – Especially if we are going to sign Hernendez.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe everyone else just sucks worse than him

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Unlikely

As Sickels notes in the link above…

This is a solid farm system, with one player I regard as a sure-fire star in Trout, then a large group of Grade B/borderline B+ types, and plenty of B-/C+ to round things out. There is a mixture of pitching and hitting, and players from a wide variety of backgrounds.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Juan Nicasio laughs at your concerns

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Juan Nicasio is Chuck Norris' kryptonite.

Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

It seems that most here are either overvaluing Iannetta (plus his contract situation)

or undervaluing Chatwood (plus his contract situation.) It’s actually a fairly decent exchange for the Rockies. Chatwood got tired down the stretch last year after passing his prior innings high which brought his overall season numbers down, but at the beginning of the season, he was very solid. As he matures he’d be a fine lower mid-rotation addition for a contender.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

I just don’t see the point in trading Iannetta unless we fill an immediate hole.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

unless we really are punting on 2012

and focusing on player development, then emerging in 2013 with an 8 arm competition for 3 rotation spots

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see this.

Chatwood to me seems like an almost perfect interim guy while we’re waiting for Jorge De La Rosa to return next year.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

CDI is a pretty decent trade chip this offseason. Why would we move him for an interim guy like Chatwood?

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Chatwood is soooo young he could easily grow in to a 3rd starter here

he is but does not have to remain an interim guy

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

The rotation is a weakness, and Chatwood at a minimum salary is an upgrade to that weakness and allows the team to use money elsewhere.

I really don’t see how this doesn’t fit team needs other than the “200 IP” thing, which I’ve always felt to be somewhat of a problematic standard that could prevent the Rockies from looking at higher impact players that don’t quite meet that. Such as Chatwood, for instance.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

sure, the rotation is a weakness

But how much does chatwood add as a mid-back end rotation starter ceiling above the other five guys on the 40 man with similar capabilities (Pom, White, Rogers, Reynolds, Friedrich, Nicasio, Hammel)? A win extra maybe? I’d rather target a different position,.or package Iannetta to get a clearer upgrade

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

To the middle trio of that pool you mention, Chatwood actually adds a lot.

He’s got the most velo on his FB among them, and the second best curve to Friedrich. Even to the Chacin/Nicasio/Pom/White group he’ll help with a bit more certainty that somebody will emerge with value. I like him about as much as Guthrie, frankly, especially given the contract status.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not a huge fan of Rogers, but he throws harder than Chatwood

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Not really,

Like Rogers, Chatwood’s got two FB’s that get conflated in his velocity chart on Fangraphs. The four seamer sits in the mid 90’s, the two seamer is around 91-92. Chatwood’s slightly harder with both.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm confused how he can be slightly harder with both and get lower readings

I’ve seen Rogers hit 96 many times. The logs and scouting reports I’ve read just don’t seem to agree.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 11:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Rogers throws more of his four seamer, Chatwood more of his two seamer. It's why

It’s why his GB rate is higher. If both were throwing the same FB the same amount of time, Chatwood should come out higher, at least according to the reports I have. Honestly, though, they’re close enough that we’re splitting hairs here.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

RE: Chatwood

Even in the first half he was having a lot of control issues. He had an exact 1:1 K/BB ratio and that is not a formula for success. I just don’t see him as being a guy I target in an Iannetta trade as I don’t see him as being a huge upgrade from our current projects. We need reliable pitching and I would not consider Chatwood reliable yet.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

You have to look beyond 2012 here to though

Yes he ended up with a 1:1 K/BB ratio last season but he’s also likely to get better next season and the one after that. If the Rockies believe he can become a cost controlled middle of the rotation piece for 2013 and beyond, that gives them resources they use to address other needs.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

*they *can* use to address other needs.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Improvement

He could improve. So could Pom, White, Chacin, Rogers and Nicasio, Freidrich, Bettis, etc. I also have my doubts about the Rockies pitching staff’s capability of bringing out the best in the pitchers.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Strength in numbers

If you add Chatwood to, Pom, White, Chacin, Rogers, Nicasio, Freidrich, Bettis, etc., you only increase the likelihood that the Rockies will have a very solid rotation within a couple of years. While all are unknowns, you reduce your risk by puting this many bullets in your gun.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Numbers Game

I agree with the strength in numbers strategy. I just disagree about giving up Iannetta in an effort to simply add to the mix, I think he has more value than that. IMO.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he does

Iannetta is certainly not an elite catcher (although he is much better than some of the traditional stats want us to believe) and he has just one year left on his contract. Getting an arm with serious potential to become a #3 starter for five years of control seems very fair.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we value Chatwood differently. I don’t so much disagree with his potential as much as I question the chance he reaches it. Especially in Denver.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Any reason in particular?

Chatwood’s already completed much of his journey and his first 100 major league innings as a 21 year old were not far from #3 starter.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair enough

By the way, Welcome to the Row! I wasn’t around to say this last week when you first started commenting but you seem to be a very storng poster. (I just really like playing devil’s advocate)

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Forums are about debating points, otherwise they’d be no fun.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

How would you compare Chatwood with, say, Hammel?

Hammel gets ~47% GB, and has a fastball in the low-mid 90s.

by RoxnSox09 on Nov 29, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Hammel's a really odd duck

He can go for a month without allowing a run and than also has stretches where he can’t get through an inning without allowing 6 runs. I’d struggle to finds many guys to compare him with.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Off

That nearly resulted in a very unfortunate typo as the “d” and the “f” are so close to each other on the keyboard. It’s a good thing I reread it before posting.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Ricky Nolasco

That reads like Ricky Nolasco. Streaky, streaky, streaky.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty darn close actually

Nolasco’s good season (2008) was better than Hammel’s good season (2009) and Nolasco does eat a few more innings but it’s a better comp for Hammel than anyone I was looking at.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I was just comparing the two in regards to streakiness. I agree that Nolasco’s the better of the two.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

If it works out better the other way around, though, wouldn't you rather the Rockies went that direction instead?

If Street only nets you Carl Pavano for the rotation and Iannetta only nets you Sam Fuld for the lineup, it would make much more sense to me to go for an Iannetta for Chatwood, Street for a better outfielder swap,

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely, we all would. Yet they're relatively realistic returns for the players, which is my point.

We’ve heard all winter about a Street for Pavano swap and the Rays would be interested in Iannetta but aren’t known for dealing prospects or particularly valuable players without getting a mint in return.. If Street nets a better position player to match with Chatwood than Iannetta would with a Guthrie or Pavano, I’d much rather have the Rockies go that route.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

rays just signed Jose Molina

Even with trading Jaso, not sure they’d need Iannetta

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

He was a starter in college wasn't he?

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

He wanted to be...

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Street? No.

But he was used so much as a closer, that he threw a lot of innings. He also played some 3B when needed – pretty good glove, no stick.

by Northsider1964 on Nov 29, 2011 5:36 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem right now though is that most of the Rockies needs are in low supply and high demand

If they can get a deal that makes sense without directly addressing one of these needs (200 IP guy), I’d still pull the trigger because Chatwood would help matters (just not as much as the 200 IP guy).

Also, I could see this move being more a step in a bigger plan. If this deal were to happen, that would mean another $3.6 million if off the books with Iannetta’s contract. Add that to the $2million that left with Wigginton and the probable $7.5 million that goes with Street, and the Rockies suddenly have $13 million more to spend on 2012 than they did a month ago.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

The money aspect of this is interesting, gives us more room to go after a Willingham especially if Smith goes for Prado.

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by MattBerger on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

But the $3.6 for Iannetta really isn't "saved"

because we’d have to turn around and spend that money right away on a FA catcher (probably Hernandez). Rosario, whatever you think of him as a prospect, isn’t ready to be a fulltime major leauge starter; at least its clear that the Rockies don’t think he is (and I happen to agree).

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I am terrified Rosario is going to be a massive disappointment.

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by biondino on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

not irrational

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

CDI is a nice player but

since we rarely use him well anyway if we can get a nice piece for him so be it

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Grand slamz!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

no way

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That's what it's about

Ask RG about Jose Lopez

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2011 7:05 AM MST up reply actions  

This is fair

But even here, if the Rockies believe he can eat innings (especially the innings that JDLR will eventually take as Rox Girl mentioned) that’s still something the Rockies will not have to pay for this offseason. So that’s still money that can be spent elsewhere.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

To expand on this

His ERA was only 3.64 through July 24th (his first 111.1 innings pitched), before having an 8.80 ERA with a BABIP against of .392 after that. I’d say Chatwood held his own last season when you consider how much he was rushed to the majors.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

There's a big difference in his BAbip against

through June and what he posted afterward. .246/.330/.283 the first three months, then .361/.400/.395 from July on. Does that have to do with tiring, hitters getting more looks at him, weird luck? That’s probably a bit of a key question.

Also, the K/BB stats last year are really, really not pretty to look at…

Just pointing out a few things gleaned in 5 minutes at BR. Really don’t know enough about the kid to have a fully formed opinion yet. Now I need to go back to BR and check out his BAbip stats by home plate umpire. They list the stat, so I’m thinking there is useful stuff to be learned from it…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Meant to also say

He seems to have serious control issues, almost 1:1 K/BB ratio last season (74:71). I don’t want to trade Iannetta for a project personally.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 9:54 AM MST reply actions  

we have the market cornered on SP projects already

Adding him to Pom, White, Chacin, Rogers and Nicasio doesn’t help much.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 9:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

And am I the only one who is down on Apodaca and the pitching staff, not trusting that they will be able to bring the potential out of these guys?

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not down on Dac for sure

I think the “projects” listed above will turn into a pretty mean rotation in a few years – we just need some proven talent that will be ready in 2012.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I like Apodaca, and

consider him a very passionate, hard-working coach.

But at some point he can’t oversee an entire flock full of nibblers without bearing some
of the blame. I also think he’s too obsessed with making everyone work relentlessly at the knees. Even at Coors Field, pitchers need to be able to go upstairs from time to time.

by Northsider1964 on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly where I'm at on Chatwood

A case can be made that Chatwood-for-Iannetta is fair, but it seems to me that we already have a bunch of “Chatwoods” already. Of course, “you can never have too much picthing” and all that, but personally, I’d rather have Iannetta than yet another maybe/maybe-not unproven young pitcher vying to be a mid-rotation starter.

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Plus, he could hit a last second shot to win us the championship...

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

cannot succeed with that bad a K/BB in the majors

unless you’re phenomenal at getting ground balls like aaron cook, and chatwood is not. do not want

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

All of your over-the-hill and never-were veterans!

ALL OF THEM.

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Jimmy Rollins fo 5 years

I stick by my Reyes to SF prediction despite it appearing unlikely, but Rollins for 5 years at a lot of money seems like the perfect Sabean move.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

over-rated clap-clap-clap

makes sense for the Giants

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by Since1993 on Nov 29, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 29, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

In other news, Sabean and Bochy got extended by the Giants

I’m okay with watching Sabean sign more overpriced veterans

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by MattBerger on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM MST reply actions  

Off to MCC for a little delicious shawdenfroyduh

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

How about an Iannetta for Chatwood

followed by a Street+prospect trade for JPA in Toronto?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 11:19 AM MST reply actions  

Nah...

While I’m not a Rosario “believer,” I don’t know if I’d want our trade chips used to acquire another young/upside catcher like Arencibia as opposed to filling other holes. If Iannetta leaves, I’d rather go with a steady/short-run replacement (like Hernandez) and stick with Rosaio as the “future upside” guy.

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I just rather have JPA than Hernandez as he is above average already, cheaper

and Blocking a top 20 Prospect

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

If the Cubs are interested in Stewart.

Who else would it take to get Garza?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM MST reply actions  

well, it took the Cubs two Top 100 prospects and a couple other pieces to get Garza

and that was before he had a big year in 2011. It’s heftyheftyhefty.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Yea, I know the price would be high. Would it be worth it?

Could Garza pitch effectively at Coors?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

We just traded away one pitcher to replenish the top tiers of the farm. I don’t see us depleting that very same stockpile for one pitcher.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly

Garza is a nice pitcher but the ROI on that move is too rich for my blood

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Still if we had added him last year for say Blackmon, Matzek and Friedrich

we may have had a different season

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea, but folks in the org. is too chicken to give up prospects.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

No, they aren't goingto give up prospects that we jsut got to fill the farm. I understand that.

But where the problem is. Is that they give up anybody to get somebody. What’s that old saying. SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

so then what do you suggest we do

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know what to do

I sure as hell don’t want them to sit on their thumbs and do nothing. Quit being a bunch of wimps and go out and sign the Hammer or make a decent trade. If it costs us a couple of prospects. Ok then. Its a business. If the Atlanta GM called me and said Smith/Wheeler for Prado. Fine, done. I don’t see what the hold up is with this possible trade. Is it us or is it them?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Cubs may nave overpaid for Garza...

Or not if you look at his stats and still believe in Chris Archer. They (new administration and all) may be willing to deal him if they like the package but they’re be no giveaways. Stewie can’t be the centerpiece of a Garza deal.

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by Since1993 on Nov 29, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't expect Stewart to be a centerpiece of ANY deal.

Right now, he is like the supplemental guy. Yea, we’ll just throw him in there. You might not know what you will get. Could be good. Could be bad.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Stewart could be a centerpiece

If the other parts were cash and a ptbnl

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banned. LOL

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

signing willingham would not be the answer you seem to think it is

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Not the answer I seem to think it is

answer: What is world series champion?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

i wouldn't say he had a big year in 2011

i bet he could be had for Stewie, White and another top 10 prospect from our team.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

that’s a lot less than the Cubs paid for him. You’re crazy.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

okay fine

stewie and white for Garza… when you say it took 2 top 100 porspects did you mean 2 top 100 prospects in all of baseball or just 2 top 100 prospects from the Cubs?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd give up Stewie and White for Garza.

I don’t see a problem flipping White for Garza.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

i'd do it

Garza would be the Ace on this team…. and he can hit a little.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

2 top 100 prospects in all of baseball

plus a couple other decent/good prospects and an MLB ready OF.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

okay well how many top 100

prospects does colorado own? Arenado, Pomeranz, White…. and….? I really don;t know the farms to well.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Good question. How many?

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none of the major publications have produced their preseason lists

We’ll have to wait until early spring for that

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

i would so no more than 5

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Rosario, Pomeranz, Arenado are definitely there

White lost eligibility.

Guys like Wheeler and Matzek are fringe 100 guys, may show up on a list or two

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

White doesn't qualify anymore

You would be talking Pomeranz, Arenado plus at least two other top 15 PuRPs. It’s madness.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

oh

well i’d still trade White and Stewie play a PTBNL for Garza… easily… he’d be our ace

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't you get it?

That’s not enough, not nearly enough.

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DON'T LOOK ETHEL!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

YOU GOT SOME 'SPLAININ' TO DO LUCY

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

yep i got it now

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

crap

here we go again…

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

yeahh just read through the thread.

Lol. Awesomeness. I rec’d like 10 posts.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 29, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Stewie, Friedrich, White, and (gulp) Blackmon?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

nah not that much

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

thats essentially

the kind of return we got for Ubaldo and Garza is not better than Ubaldo

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

eh idk about that

So far White has not been impressive and Pomeranz will get his shot this year. I think that package is pretty close my friend

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Wrong.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

your contradicting yourself

between posts… maybe you just really don’t like Garza…. however you said he had a dominant year…. hahahahahah that’s wrong. No one on the Cubs had a dominant year that team was sorry… their only talent is Sterling Castro.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

5.0 fWAR
2.95 FIP
8.95 K/9

You’re so off base here it’s not worth even arguing.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I carried Garza on my fantasy team last year.

He did really well, except for his defense and his relief pitchers couldn’t keep them ahead in teh games that he pitched. I think he could’ve EASILY been a 15+win pitcher. I don’t how many no decisions he had.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh boy. Let's add fuel to the fire here

Tulo is a good player either. LOL.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

nah Tulo's pretty good

i guess… haha i kid i kid =)

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Who wants popcorn?

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate you.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry

It’s difficult to actually contribute at work, so I’m usually just lurking and adding (hopefully) comedic relief.

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I appreciate it

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude, there is more than one person chiming in on this.

Who do you hate?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Tulo.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I knew he hates Tulo but that is besides the point. LOL

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

he hates me

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah.

I enjoy spirited discussion.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Understanding nesting comments is _hard_...

…he responded that way to TTG’s statement that this had been so much fun to watch…

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Yes the "up" button

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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

We all know Garza is a good pitcher.

Can’t we all agree on that. However, what ever players it would take to get him is NOT UP TO US. If, the Rox want to use some prospects to get him. Its their business. I think we are all safe from that because we don’t use prospects to get good players.

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I hate you.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Nobody hates popcorn....

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS! REC'D

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

/pouts
/goes to play OOTP
/realizes he’s still at work
/cries

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I do if it's at a movie theater.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

i just disagree strongly

you are so overvaluing Garza it’s not even funny. Your as bad as Oakland is with Gio Gonzalez

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You can disagree strongly. But please don’t try and talk the farm and scouting when you freely admit you have no clue about it. Please, for my sake.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

fair enough

i know what im talking about in regards to Garza… I watched him pitch back in the Tampa days against my Sox. Love him as a player and the emotions he brings to the game but he did not have a dominant year… sure he can be dominant and had dominant outings but he did not have a dominant year.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know which Matt Garza you watched in 2011

But the Matt Garza that pitched for the Cubs in 2011 was really, really good

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by free7694 on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I watched an eratic

inconsistent yet sometimes dominating Garza like I said before.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

THIS

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

hate numbers ......

can’t watch numbers…

/explodes.

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

2.95 FIP

3.13 K/BB

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by free7694 on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

In the end, it really doesn't matter how much either of you value Garza.

It matters how much the CUBS value Garza. Here’s how much:

Traded by the Tampa Bay Rays with Zach Rosscup (minors) and Fernando Perez to the Chicago Cubs for Chris Archer (minors), Hak-Ju Lee (minors), Robinson Chirinos, Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer.

He pitched better this year than last year, so…

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

What if we offered

Tampa White, Friedrich, Blackmon and Stewie for Archer, Lee, Chirinos, Fuld and Guyer?

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

i never said they could pry him away

i just think he is overvaluing Garza and to say Garza had a “dominant year” yea I don’t think so.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

gah, you know what i hate sometimes….. freedom of speech

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I recc'ed this for

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Entertainment value

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by El Paso Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

oh, okay then

i was gonna facepalm

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

lol who recced this?

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

That is so far less than we got for Ubaldo

I’ll grant that White = White (if anything his value is less now than then…), but Friedrich is nowhere near = Pomeranz. Blackmon figures to have more value than Gardner or McBride, but Stewie is probably somewhere in the range of equal to them.

Primarily the difference between Friedrich and Pomeranz makes the package you’re proposing far less valuable than what we got for Ubaldo…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

so your saying

Stewie, Friedrich and Blackmon don’t equate to Pomeranz or even close in your eyes? I disagree. I hope this Pomeranz kid really is what you guys are making him out to be.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Pomeranz, Gardner and McBride

The other two guys have some value too.

I suspect you’re valuing Friedrich based on his value of a couple years ago. It’s not anywhere near that anymore. You said below that “you have no clue about” him, but the fact is that the last couple years he has really struggled and expectations for him are way down. His value is probably still > Gardner, but not by as much as you seem to think.

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

fair enough

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

those three don't even equal white

let alone pomeranz

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

were not dealing with the Indians here

Its the Cubs.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

with an entirely new front office

built around guys that focus on scouting and strong farms.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

theo does not focus on scouting

maybe the cat that he brought in from San Diego but not Theo… sorry he plays another game of who can spend the most money.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Jed Hoyer? The Cubs’ new GM? Yeah, he kinda focuses on strong farms.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Theo will be making all the calls

I promise you that.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

that's not entirely true

Boston had a better farm than their average draft position suggested they should, and they produced Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholz and Papelbon while he was there. If he didn’t give a crap about farms, those players would have been dealt for Brian Giles or Esteban Loaiza or Todd Helton

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 5:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

this is true

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly

Theo doesn;t give a rats ass about prospects… he’s all about $$$$ and big names… I expect Fat Albert to be sporting a Cubs uni soon.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I've said all along. He will become a Cub

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

i agree

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

why would he sign with the archrival of the team that he just won his second world series with?

he’s a folk hero in st louis, he’s not going to give that up for a little more money to play for a shit team like the cubs when the cardinals are poised to remain an annual contender in a bad division

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

more $$

and Theo has his ways

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

he’s already made his $100 mil, has won 2 world series, a ROY, 3 MVPs, and is a surefire first-ballot hall of famer. he doesn’t care about “more $$”

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

and how would you know?

maybe he’d like to add a nice taking the Cubs out of their horrendous slump notch to his belt? Chicago is a bit larger of a market than St. Louis is too… unless he really is content in St. Louis then I see him leaving for the Cubs.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

sigh

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

still not even close

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

according to who?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

a bad 3B, a mid rotation starter, a maybe back end pitcher, and a 4th outfielder?

For a guy they just emptied their farm for last offseason and who had a dominant year? You’re f**king kidding me.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

He did not have a dominant year dude

not even close to that. They need a power lefty batter and like to give money to guys who cant hit an average but can stroke some out of the yard ie Pena… Your contradicting yourself with White… you say the package we got for Ubaldo which was White and Pomeranz was soooo good but you label White as that? Friedrich i have no clue about and Blackmon will be a player…. I can’t remember who all of the Cubs out field is other than Alphonso Soriano… maybe having a 4th outfielder with Blackmons potential would entice them with an aging Soriano. I guess i just disagree with you.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

What if we throw in a bag of balls and a manager?

wouldthatsealthedeal?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

i just disagree with your scouting i guess

haha and im the one who doesn’t know the farm very well so i guess i should shut up.. i have done some research on Pomeranz and he sounds nice… I have seen White and so far he has sucked.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

And that's all the Rockies have unless they empty the farm...

…people need to face facts; the team we left 2011 with is what we’ll have in 2012, possibly with the addition of Arenado. I see about 70 wins, and I’ll be happy with it if we can sign all our draft picks. This team needs to be down and stay down long enough to put some talent into the minors again…
…and once that talent starts developing, it needs to hold off on trading it away this time.

by Chrysicat on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Do I need to type out the long list of pitching prospects that will be here within two years?

There’s lots of talent there, it’s just inexperienced.

Honestly, we have a pretty good farm system. It just needs time to adjust in the majors.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno...

…are you still including Tyler “Mitch Williams had more control than me” Matzek? :-P

by Chrysicat on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I can see them starting to compete again in 2013, but unless they get a significant number of lucky breaks 2012 will be about development.

by RoxnSox09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Heard they're closer isn't good all the time.

Maybe we could throw Street in there also. Even though Marmol has a stupid contract.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Marmol's nasty when his control's on, man

I think you’re still missing the point Muzia’s been making…

Huston Street, with Marmol in place, is worth like a single penny if Garza’s a dollar.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I see what he is saying.

Marmol is nasty IF and WHEN he can control it. Sean Marshall is decent also. That is of course he has to face Cargo.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

recd for the link

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

What if we include Matt Belisle?

He was 10-4 with a 3.25 ERA — fewer losses and a better ERA than Garza. That should be enough to finish the deal.

by RoxnSox09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You need to remember the sarc tag...

otherwise, Nessy might think you were serious :-P

by Chrysicat on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Plus, it wouldn't throw off either team's GNM%!

(Guys Named Matt Percentage).

Which, as we all know, is the most important stat.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

It would screw up the Mattpen, even Garza is a Matt.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Have you been tweeting a lot lately?

What’s with the one-word sentences haha

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. I just try to confuse myself.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM MST up reply actions  

More than I want to give up

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I like this
Esmil Rogers, a converted infielder whose outstanding stuff hasn’t translated into success, has adjusted his mechanics and will be in the mix for a starting spot as well.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:09 PM MST reply actions  

He had his winter league debut last night for Licey, seemed to pitch alright.

I’ve said it before, but he’s not far from being a very effective pitcher. I still wouldn’t mind adding a Chatwood to the mix, though.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Esmil was terrible

but I always felt that if the reports were true about him just simply not hiding the ball at all, that seems like a pretty minor fix.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

It's a fix that's easier said than done, I think.

but I’m really hoping he’s able to work on it this off season, as he’d have the same kind of upside as Alex White.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

it definitely is

but relative to other adjustments a pitcher could be asked to make, I’m hoping it’s on the easier side of the spectrum. C’mon player development system!!!

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

i'd say hello.

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd change his name to Esmil Wood

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

heh

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd change it to Ed Wood.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Look Ed Wood can't pitch or hit or even make a good movie...

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

How about Matt Wood

It ups our Wood quotient as well as adds a member to the Mattpen

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

OMG. That's perfect. HAHAHA

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, we are not besties now :(?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh we most certainly are

I just have a montage in my head of us painting the town, watching breaking bad together, etc.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

All in good time :)

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, haven't you heard? I don't exist.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

My mind is overwhelmed

by all the imaginary best friend joke avenues that just opened up

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm all for upping my Wood quotient

as well the general idea of Wood being up…….

in the pen.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Wood is what Matters

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

This should be on

t-shirts, coffee mugs and bumpers…..

plus other things that I oughn’t mention here….

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

And, just as I said above,

stop trying to get Rogers to work low in the zone 100 percent of the time. I’m not convinced Rogers will ever be a successful starter. But if he’s going to be, high heat needs to be an important part of his arsenal. When he tries to work exclusively at the knees, he leaves too many pitches thigh-high that are just sitting ducks.

by Northsider1964 on Nov 29, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Especially if doesn't learn to put some more movement on his fastball.

He’s got to learn to hide it for as long as possible if he throws it straight.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 29, 2011 3:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah that's pretty much the problem

with guys trying to relentlessly pound the lower part of the zone. When they miss they are likely to miss near the thighs, and those pitches are a hitter’s delight. When Betancourt has his bad patches, that’s usually the issue with him as well. But when Raffy’s on, he uses the whole strike zone. And man, he has the ability to throw that 93 mph fastball letter high and make hitters look like they’re swinging at a 102 mph heater.

by Northsider1964 on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Regarding Chatwood

I guess he could help us, but if I were really DOD I’d try to get more value. A package for Iannetta and some other people to land an impact guy with more answers than questions around him would probably be my attempt.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Trades for impact players rarely work out so congruently

“package (average player X) with (prospect Y) to get (impact player Z)” is a common off-season trope among fans of all teams and I rarely buy into the idea that they’re actually feasible scenarios. Iannetta, as a catcher with decent offensive ability, probably fits the real world trades of this type better than most, but I’m still skeptical.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

sigh

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

you're right

but every offseason it seems like there are a handful of stupid/lopsided trades made. I just want us to be the beneficiary of such a trade, but what you’re saying is true.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

At least you're not that far off base with your wishing and hoping

I was following a Twitter conversation last night between a pair of Mets fans that thought a Street plus Cargo for Wright and Angel Pagan trade made sense for both sides.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

so if I read you correctly

you’re saying we should trade Iannetta for Ike Davis. I like it, RG!

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe the 2017 version of Cargo

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

for what it IS worth, Goldstein calls such a swap a "HUGE win for the Angels"

Though I should prob point out Goldstein was lower on Chatwood a year ago than BA even before Chatwood’s uneven debut

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd call it a win for them too

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Goldstein really seems to have regressed over the last few years.

If both players were at the same salary stage and age, I’d probably be more in agreement, but this would be fairly close.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

lol at the scoutspeak on a prospect writer

Can you expand on that view?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm assuming you're meaning my view on Goldstein and not on the trade scenario?

Since I’ve already shared on the latter. Anyway, I’ve been less impressed with the outliers on his lists (compared to say BA, or Keith Law, for instance) have been head scratching bad the last couple of years and aren’t looking much better later on, and his off the cuff thoughts on things ranging from the CBA to rumors like this leave me questioning his analysis chops. He’s seemingly not putting as much care into the thought process and sounding more like a radio show host of late.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks

WIthout a reasoning, it read more like “he disagrees so He sucks”

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I sort of butchered what I was trying to say there,

by conflating a couple of different thoughts into one sentence, but it comes down to me being less impressed with his analysis of late. The five years of Chatwood vs. one for Iannetta make this much closer than he’s indicating, even if Chatwood’s control doesn’t come around and he winds up in the pen.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Unless of course

DOD were to know of another team that covets Chatwood…which he probably doesnt…

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Baltimore, and we get Guthrie

Done

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

do they really?

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

no idea

But they’d get younger and cheaper at least

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice.

Wow, Spring Training is just around the corner….
I can’t wait for people to start losing weight.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

81 days. Must change sig.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Or in some cases, gaining.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Sig is changed. That number keeps getting less and less. Can't wait until it reads 0.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

True.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd put more credence into the changes Esmil is trying to make than 99% of ST stories

The “problem” here was evident since he has been in the majors, not created and presented in conjunction with a new solution

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 1:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Ready for the "In the Best Shape of his career" stories

on about every player

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by waterboy31321 on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

“He has added a cutter to his arsenal this year and the organization has high expectations this year for him”

_ has taken the hitch out of his swing and will probably hit 60 home runs in 2012”

“________ worked out with renowned trainer ________ and dropped 10 lbs and lost 5% body fat (which really means he lost the 10 lbs and 5% body fat he gained throughout the season last year drinking beer in the club house) and is in the best shape of his career”

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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2011 6:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Unless we do a Street for Guthrie trade

I’m starting to feel like it may make more sense to hold on to Street and wait for a big injury in someone elses bullpen. This market is so oversaturated with relievers – the White Sox made Thornton available too.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

I still think Street is the best reliever available on the trade market and given the rate for FA closers this off season, I still think the Rockies are in a good position. But, I do agree, if the market deflates the return there’s no point, other than financial, in trading him now. Financially, if they trade him to open payroll then they BETTER use that money on someone else.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

you have Street over Bailey?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

yes

hasn’t bailey had 2 tommy john surgeries? street also has a much better K/BB

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Bailey’s arm falling off is a legitemate concern.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

What is it about Guthrie

that people like on this website? Guthrie is garbage… He’s just as bad as Jason Hamel

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

no i mean the ugly step child

that’s on our roster that shares a slightly similar name that everyone and their mother seems to bash on this website…. Guthrie is just as bad… trust me.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

What do people like?

I’m guessing 3 straight 200 IP seasons appeals to a lot of people who are looking for an innings eater. And he’s piled up a total of 17.7 WAR over 5 seasons in Baltimore. There are some things to get excited about in his stat profile. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing him as a potential rotation piece, but he’s definitely not going to put us over the top. Kind of like some of Hammel’s better periods in the rotation…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I just think

he’s a number 5 starter for a team who’s serious about competing for a playoff spot at best. Sorry I just think Guthrie is garbage, i believe he tops out at 88 mph (may be wrong) and with that your gonna get shelled at Coors

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

and getting out of the AL East into the NL Worst will certainly help his numbers

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

oh right

I agree the AL East is a beast of a conference but heading to Coors is not the next best bet… it’s the last.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Just having some fun with the best Rockies players in history

and WAR Graphs. The cumulative WAR by age graph really puts into perspective how amazing the careers of Tulo and Cargo might become if they stay healthy.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 12:23 PM MST reply actions  

That's are really cool way to look at the data!

Thanks for posting!

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

'a' really cool way...

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

compare Dante Bichette, Neifi Perez and Jay Payton for a good laugh

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

More confirmation/clarification on the Rockies interest in Navarro

Venezuelan journalist Ylai Olmos tweets that they’ve told him he’d be a back-up with a chance to win a job out of Spring Training. Navarro would seem to be more of a safety net in this case.

by Rox Girl on Nov 29, 2011 1:20 PM MST reply actions  

pretty much what I'd figure

Not sure how much of an upgrade he would be over Pacheco or Morales though

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

I wouldn’t be too thrilled with this. If the Rockies sign him, it better be for next to nothing.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

This came out wrong

I don’t mean to disagree with you

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Translation:
Los Rockies han preguntado por el catcher Dioner Navarro Su puesto dentro del club sería de Back Up si se gana el puesto en Spring Training

The Rockies have asked about the catcher Dioner Navarro. His place in the club would be as a Backup if he wins a place in Spring Training.

This is basically an invite to Spring Training. I’m not sure that I’d read too much more into this than the context of pursuing another catcher like Hernandez.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Although I guess it could be

Hernandez AND Navarro if Rosario were to blow up in the spring.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think what we do with Navarro has anything to do with Hernandez

Barring something terrible, Hernandez or Iannetta will be our starting catcher come 2012.

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by MattBerger on Nov 29, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Minor league contract, then fine.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

this is always the answer

Oh wait. Cba ruins everything.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 2:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it does in Navarro's case or not.

He IS technically a major league free agent, as he was released and not outrighted, but he also never actually declared MLB FA. The details of what dictates that extra money seem a little bit obscure to me so far.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Either way, we could just release him if he doesn't make the team.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Just saw a really good comment about Chatwood while lurking around Halos Heaven: a response to Chatwood bashing

Seriously? That kid held major league opposition in check for three months before stumbling. AT AGE 21. Jered Weaver was still dicking around against college hitters at age 21. Dan Haren was stretching out in A-Ball. Ervin Santana? Still figuring out his slider in AA. Joel Pinero got his cup of coffee at age 21, but struck out only 10 batters versus 13 walks while getting bashed around to the tune of a 5.59 ERA. Garrett Richards was trying to find the strikezone in college and rookie ball. John Lackey had amassed only 57 innings in the upper minors by the end of his age 21 season. I could go on and on. I know rate stats are seductive because they appear so determinative. Yes, they can be predictive in many cases, but you always have to look at context, and Chatwood is a really unusual case. The Angels have pushed Chatwood extremely aggressively for the past two years, matching him against increasingly older and more experienced competition without allowing him to settle in anywhere and rack up rate stats. The overwhelming majority of B-B+ level pitching prospects don’t develop that way, having to constantly overcome the challenge of being one of the four or five youngest guys in their league. If he were in the Ray’s organization, for example, he’d likely still be in High A. His 2011 promotion to the Angels’ rotation was all about organizational need, not because he was ready. By rights, he should have been in AA, consolidating his progress. Those would have been ratios that I’d pay attention to. I apologize for jumping on you, but this is a flesh and blood kid who’s performed way above his age for a couple of years now. There are certainly reasons to be concerned about him, and he most definitely needs some more time in the minors to figure things out. But assuming that we’ve seen the best of him, that we can consign him to "dog shit #5" status due to some rigid adherence to rate stats, seems premature at best.

I’m still wondering whether Chatwood is a good fit for us because we have a lot of upper minors pitching, but I do agree he’s equal value.

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by MattBerger on Nov 29, 2011 2:00 PM MST reply actions  

if I were going solely on stats, I'd agree

I’m not in love with his size or scouting report either. Just as its a mistake to see MLB stats of a 21yo and assume he can’t grow, one can’t just assume he will grow at a fantastic rate just because he was 21. The scouting reports I’ve read suggest to me he is less likely to improve greatly to be a mid rotation starter, just to be a back end starter. No one here said he was dog feces #5…just nowhere near the ceiling most top 10 prospects debuting at 21 would be. I think that’s fair

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 2:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

He'd probably

have to go to double A for us and work on his control and maybe fourth pitch to help set up his other pitches. Taht being said, the guy at HalosHeaven is definitely right about all of this (though whether that means CHatwood has a future or not is debatable still)

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Which reminds me...

…we really need an international League affiliate rather than a PCL one, so that we can actually develop pitchers at AAA, against AAA-quality hitters, rather than against AA-quality ones…

by Chrysicat on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Move the AAA team to Tulsa and the AA team to another similar Texas league city like Wichita, KS or Shreveport, LA

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Wichita had a Texas league team. They moved them for some reason

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

KC bought the development contract and the team was sold to part of the group that owns Wal-Mart

Thats why the team got moved to outside of Fayetteville

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

perhaps having the Ghosts move to Colorado

WIll full the desire of having a farm team nearby, and make the Springs more likely to move.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, yeah, Grand Junction is in Colorado

But I don’t know about “nearby.” It’s only 30 miles closer to Coors Field than Casper. In terms of driving time, I would think they are about the same.

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I think you're right...

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

this is true

But it IS more in “Rockies country”

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You got that right!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm actually strongly against

moving our AAA team out of high altitude. The PCL does suck, but I think we can really leverage CSprings if it’s done right.

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Ditto.

Plus, don’t move my home town team! D:

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by oo_nrb on Nov 29, 2011 10:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I just want a Millwood and Chatwood on the staff

It would be like the WoodPen lite…or something

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:03 PM MST reply actions  

The Woodtation?

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Perfect

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess we'd best start converting Brandon Wood to a starting pitcher immediately.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

The Woodies?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

That works too!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I just need more Wood

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

on the team that is

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by free7694 on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahaha

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

And Greg Stanwood could be the beat writer or something!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

ha! brilliant

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

@Muzina

to get away from that jumbled mess let me just say one thing… to me the word dominant describes teh cream of teh crop pitchers Ie. Halladay, Sabathia, Kershaw, Verlander, Lee, Lincecum etc…. Garza is not in that category… Is he in the B category? Yes. Is he at the top of the B category? Maybe… but he did not have a “dominant” yeae in my opinion… like i said… even 15-7 i would agree with you but 10-10 just doesn’t cut it for me as a dominating year. He is a very talented and eratic pitcher… if he can tame his emotions a bit then I think the stats you like to look at would improve… someties you have to look at the root of the issue before you just dig through stats and like I said i don’t know what WAR means or any of that but I know what I saw and I saw a very eratic and inconsistent pitcher who at times dominated and at times got dominated either by the opposition or his own ego. Didn’t mean to upset you in anyway or insult you thats just my IMHO of Garza.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:43 PM MST reply actions  

yes he's dominant

that’s the one exception… if you think Garza is as good as Felix your crazy

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

but im not basing

all my argument on W L…

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

doug fister's 2011

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

You think Felix is as good as Garza?

yes i take W L into account but i also trust my eye… I watch Felix and I watch Garza and Garza is not even close.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I never said that...

I do believe that Garza isn’t too far behind Felix, though.

My point was that, if you go by W-L records alone, Felix would have had “average” years in 2008, 2010, and 2011.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

but i don't

i go based off what i see with my own two eyes

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe… but he did not have a "dominant" yeae in my opinion… like i said… even 15-7 i would agree with you but 10-10 just doesn’t cut it for me as a dominating year

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

dude

i use what i see with my own two eyes and then W L idk what else you want me to say? in my own personal honest opinion I think you guys overhype Garza jesus is it that hard to grasp?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, but it’s a moot point if you can’t back it up in any tangible way.

If you say “this is completely my opinion, but…” that’s fine.

But you can’t say X = Y without some reasoning for it around here.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

i don't thinki Garza had a dominating year

i just don’t what reasoning do i need to have it’s an opinion.. if you think a 10-10 year is good then good for you i just look at it a different way. It’s not that I don;t think Garza is good, don’t get me wrong he is good, better than any pitcher on the Rox roster as of now but he’s not in the class A pitchers that i meantioned above.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

so in the future, say "in my opinion..."

we started this discussion because you were treating your opinion as irrefutable fact. Most of the stats, however, support the opposite of your statement.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually, what we think doesn't matter at all

But the men in the front office are using these advanced metrics (there was a nice article in SI a few weeks ago about the “New Moneyball” — perhaps you read it). They’re not using just their “own two eyes” to form their judgments on players.

And the advanced metrics suggest that Matt Garza is a very, very good starting pitcher.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

dude again

i don’t care about advanced metrics i judge a player based off what i see and use simple stats to back my claims… sometimes my simple stats con contradict my claim like when I say Felix is a dominant pitcher and he sports a losing record. I use my old school stats to back up a claim if needed but in the end i’ll give you my opinion on a player based off what i truly feel not what some number tells me… sorry.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s why I’m saying that the men in the front office don’t care that you don’t care about advanced metrics. They’ll use it anyway, and say that your trade proposal of White + Stewart + Blackmon for Garza or whatever it was is ridiculous.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey now.

We’d throw in Christian Friedrich too.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

you win purple row today

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

IDK

The “I do” “I don’t” “I do” “I don’t” thing had me doubled over at my desk in silent laughter.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I need to go through and do some fleccin'

when I get home from work. This has been one of my fave rockpiles in a while

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You betta flec yourself before ya rec yourself...

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

flecc'd

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm glad you were all having fun laughing at Nasty and me

harumph

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Chill out, Myke...

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

correction

laughing at me… apparently im the tard of this thread haha

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

i played too :(

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Hell, I'm figuring I'm the one who started all of it.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, get crackin'!!

What have you been doing? Tweetering and playing XBox?

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

shoemaker is ian stewart

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

....I can explain, you guys.

Uh.

ATF’s three-post magnum opus last spring really freaked me out.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I need to rec this

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 29, 2011 4:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

done

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

What the hell did shoemaker ever do

to you that you should call him ian stewart?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Isn't that the most painful laughter ever?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

yes he does

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I miss Brandon Hynick

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, he got us two months of Jose Contreras.

…Man, I hope that’s not the peak use of our Top Trade Chip.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

i miss contreras

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Did he ever make it to the bigs?

If I remember correctly he threw a no-hitter for the Sky Sox and then we traded him a couple weeks later…

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope.

Kinda doing crappy in AAA

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh. That's sad

Can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to be stuck one step away from your childhood dream…

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

how big is the kid?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

B-R lists him as 26

Pretty old to still be the minors without ever having reached MLB level but he’s still got a shot.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

how big is he?

Maybe he should consider football if he’s big enough… Look at Jimmy Graham from New Orleans… dude is unreal except he played basketball before this lol I think he did at least

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

is he an athlete?

what position does he play in baseball?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

you mean basketball?

he was a forward, IIRC. I watched him play quite a bit.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 29, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

wait are we talkin

Graham or the prospect?

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I was talking Graham.

Lol. Apparently, you’re talking about Hynick, I assume?

Hynick is really skinny, IIRC… Watched him pitch once. Threw a perfect game (or no-hitter) in the minors a few years back

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

(7 inning one, but still.)

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Seriously, it’d be so hard to be that close to playing in the pros (upsetting), but also be getting paid to play baseball (awesome).

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Three straight years in AAA. I always loved the kid.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

NOO

that guy did my Sox in he is the enemy…….. and my freakin girl friends fam are all from Chicago so I have to deal with their BS all the time about it.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

My wife is a Cubs fan so don't feel bad

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Cubs fans are the worst

however it is entertaining sitting and having a few brews with her pops and discussing baseball… he’s more pissed at the Cubs now than happy with them. To put it in perspective they are from Chicago and their last name is Sandberg so if you could only imagine.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh man. So they think they can manage a team?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

no they are just obssessed with

Ryne Sandberg

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

lol fine

it probably is… from what i saw White sucked so hopefully he can get it together, Stewie sucs and Blackmon looked pretty good when he played so your right that is a stupid proposal however i stand pat on my opinion on Garza

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

That was my idea thank you.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

yea but i do

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

but i don’t

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

not following you man

in fact ever since you started posting on my comment to muzia you have given me a headache.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

you said you don't use win-loss record, then you said you did, then said you didn't, then said again that you did

i’m just confused.

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

yea i use it

but its not the only argument i use. I judge a player based off what i watch of him when he plays. Sometimes W L contradicts what my opinion is sometimes it doesn’t.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

well that's fine

but don’t say you don’t then

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry for the confusion

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll bet with some in-depth research,

you’d find out that W-L contradicts your opinion when a good pitcher is on a bad team, and it doesn’t when a good pitcher is on a good team.

Which is basically why people say that W-L record isn’t really useful to evaluate a pitcher individually.

by Shoemaker on Nov 29, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Just like

a real W-L record, it’s a great way to evaluate the team (and umpires and stadium)

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

And don't cite WAR either.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 AM MST up reply actions  

You can cite W-L all you want.

You can cite WAR all you want.

Both are flawed metrics, and if each metric alone is your entire case, then you probably need to find some more evidence.

That said, WAR is about a million times more relevant than pitching wins.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

The reason is that Everyone can read and interpret stats

Everyone.

A lot of people spent a lot of their lives playing and/or analyzing baseball without advanced metrics readily available to them, and they feel like this new generation of baseball fans is getting away with getting a leg up on analysis without having to have spend decades watching minor league swings and major league hustle.

That’s my theory, anyhow.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 30, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Mike Mussina?

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by free7694 on Nov 29, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

no, Myke Muzina

it’s pronounced the same way, but totally better

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Then the hills are alive with the sound of Muzina?

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 AM MST up reply actions  

you know pitcher wins are just as much a function of the defense, offense, park, and umpires as they are the pitcher himself, right?

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

roy halladay "lost" 10+ games three years in a row, 08,09,10

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

To be real with you

When I started as a lurker on Purple Row I didn’t have any knowledge about advanced metrics, and most of the discussion was over my head – it takes some real kahunas to stick your neck out on this site, and for that I applaud you.

That said, read and learn about advanced metrics – I was pretty skeptical at first, but they’re very interesting and while I’m certainly no expert, they’re a great compliment to watching the game:

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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

In addition

A solid knowledge of a lot of these metrics would probably give you an upper hand in a fantasy league

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I use the same approach

as I disgussed in the comment below you for fantasy and tend to come out with money in my pocket… I got real lucky with Justin Upton and Mike Stanton this year…. I knew Stanton was gonna do what he did but I had no idea Upton would explode like that.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

nice

i will have to check them out… I just could care less for numbers, I’m a com major, never had cared for numbers. I got ringed on the Avs blog for stating Claude Giroux and James Neal are far better players than Paul Sastney before the season started. I got ringed with stats and all the Neal and Giroux haven’t done nothing yet yadda yadda yadda… well now both Giroux and Neal have more goals each than Stats does points let alone points. When I judge a player and get that into the convo I base it off of what I have watched myself. I have watched Garza and I strongly feel he is overhyped.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, well, that's the Avs blog. I posted exactly _once_ on that thing...

…It was right when the Avs turned over the FO last time, and I was furious that we hadn’t raided the Wings org instead of staying virtually in-house.

I remain convinced that the Avs would have had at least one more playoff appearance, though admittedly two fewer very good early-first-round picks, had they picked off as many Wings as possible.

That good-ol-boy network blew up so badly that I’m thankful I didn’t get banned; I never went back anyway

by Chrysicat on Nov 29, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

they like their players

I honestly can’t stand Stastney I think he is so overhyped it’s disgusting but i stook my head out there… took the crap and so far i have been right… we shall see. I suggested trading Stazzz for more of a goal scorer and everyone just destroyed me… when the Avs finally decide to trade Stazz fr a goal scorer then they will be much better.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I would also

recommend looking at the “more” statistics categories on Baseball Reference for things like K/BB, GB%, FB% and the like. They might not be “advanced” like WAR, wOBA, FIP but used in the correct context they are very helpful.

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Right, with W-L record being the meausre of pitching ability...

Mart Garza’s comparablies last year include…
Brad Penny (11-11)
AJ Burnett (11-11)
John Lackey (12-12)

While we had a dominant year from Dillon Gee (13-6)

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

im not even going to address this

you people don’t get it.

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

You are ON FIYAH today

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I mean I feel like a Com student

lost in a calculus class haha

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Calculus was a fun class

not sure if prettyinpurple agrees though

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I loved it

…though I’ll admit that it probably helped that my teacher was a 60 year old man who liked to tie a do-rag to his head and rap self-composed calculus lines.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Mine was a 26yo RedBull fueled Elijah Wood lookalike

But he was a great teacher. Used ninja imagery to teach matrices.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 30, 2011 7:07 AM MST up reply actions  

D:

I hate you.

Just kidding.

No I dunno…check back next Monday. Stupid test.

In all seriousness, it is quite interesting and somewhat fun, if the stress was taken out. I was just having a conversation today about how fun and useful Calc is.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

hahha

love this movie

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by NastyNessy71 on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we would be better off targeting Ivan Nova.

He went 16-4 last year with at 3.70 ERA. I’ll bet if we threw in Arenado (Arod will become a DH soon) and Pomeranz (his 5.40 ERA last year sucked) we could make it happen.

by RoxnSox09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

oh god

at first I thought you were serious.

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

(I could not rec this fast enough)

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

And can Math slop hogs?

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by Gasstation1 on Nov 29, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

it eats at all the cool restaurants too

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Damn Mathsters...

get off my lawn!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Math is a cool friend though

You’ll never hear it say, “No thanks, I don’t have time for Call of Duty. I have hogs to slop.”

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

opens its hips too early

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Done wonders for the Mathpen....

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

How does Math fit into the MathWood pen?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

This can NOT have been a serious question...
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
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Congrats to Troy for keeping a seeming straight face while replying…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

Because he knows it can get slow around here late in the day?

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Why Renck even answered that it was the presence of Barajas that makes that impossible is byind me.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

He just sent out a follow up..
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Clearly McCutchen worth a lot.. was just saying that Pirates don’t have need at catcher. Pirates would have to be blown away to move AC..

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Therrre we go.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I know McCutchen doesn't necessarily fill a need here or anything..

But if we got him, he’d instantly become my favorite Rockie. I would love it…

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Todd Helton is sad at Cracker Barrel :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Unpossible

Cracker Barrel is the happiest place on Earth

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

SO much free gravy

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

He'd have a chance for me too.

My favorite players usually seem to be outfielders and relief pitchers.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like I used the double facepalm too early

Unless he’s talking Daniel McCutchen, which I don’t think he is…

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by free7694 on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

Huh.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Mesmerizing

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

You know I was really trying to avoid any Christmasy things until Dec 1

but this whole thread has so much green it’s too late :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

Please wait longer.

Having a birthday on November 30th is supposed to mean being safe from the Christmas spirit for one last day. it’s all I ask!

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair enough

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

You mean I would throw up from reading it?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

You don't like their blahg?

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL that about sums it up.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

13 green comments.

On a Tuesday, during the offseason, 5 days after Thanksgiving.

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 29, 2011 5:02 PM MST reply actions  

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Wonderful. Not I’m breaking my own rules.

Fine, everyone, it’s Christmas.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Now*

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't tell my children...

I’m trying to teach them that Christmas BEGINS on Dec. 25th, not ends!

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by RdRnnr on Nov 29, 2011 5:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Technically this is true

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

it's only christmas once tebow agrees

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 5:08 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

That may actually be true...

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 29, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Oy vey

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

No.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“The baselines belongs to the runner, and whenever I was running the bases, I always slid hard. I wanted infielders to have that instant’s hesitation about coming across the bag at second or about standing in there awaiting a throw to make a tag. There are only twenty-seven outs in a ballgame, and it was my job to save one for my team every time I possibly could.” ~Frank Robinson

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 5:06 PM MST reply actions  

That took too long to announce

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

So he won't be in ESPN's broadcast booth anymore

THANK GOD

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by squalene203 on Nov 29, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Knew it was comingbut hoped it wouldn't

Big Bobby V fan but the Red Sox are my least favorite team in all of sports so this is a marriage I was hoping would fall through.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Hooray!

He’s terrible.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Bad call, IMO

Bad fit for that team. They needed a less intense, older, more zen-master kind of guy. Bobby V is likely to blow that team up from the inside, although truth be told that may be necessary anyway.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 29, 2011 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Given Bobby V and Steve Phillips turmoil relationship during their stays with the Mets, if Cherington (or whatever the new GM’s name is) and Valentine aren’t on the same page going into this could backfire on them. Valentine goes to the beat of his own drum (which I always enjoyed as I think he’s a smart guy) and isn’t afraid of confrontation with his superiors.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

greg maddux is going to join his brother working for texas

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/rangers-notes-maddux-levine.html

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 5:28 PM MST reply actions  

Colorado and Seattle discuss Seth Smith

“The Mariners are interested in the Rockies’ Seth Smith, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.
However, it’s not clear if the two clubs are currently discussing a deal. The Rockies recently offered Smith to the Braves in exchange for Martin Prado. Smith, 29, batted .284/.347/.483 with 15 homers, 59 RBI and an .830 OPS over 533 plate appearances this season, but has traditionally struggled away from Coors Field and against left-handed pitching. "

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 PM MST reply actions  

Not sure I see a fit. What Seattle has that’s attractive is worth more than Seth Smith.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Pitching

They have a ton.

I’ll bet a lot of teams read about the Prado discussions and thought that Seth might fit well on their team. Consistent 830 OBP outfielders aren’t as common as you’d think, especially if you can pair him with a righty masher.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

they don't have "a ton"

they have pineda and hernandez, neither of whom we’ll get…. nothing to be gained from trading with the mariners

the phillies signed papelbon, and are now #1evilorg. the rockies have signed no one, but trading wiggy to the phillies totally makes it okay
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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

meh

so are we

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by papality on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Mariners are really stacked

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by Muzia on Nov 29, 2011 9:58 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not "meh"

James Paxton and Taijuan Walker probably have higher ceilings than any pitcher in our organization, including Matzek.

I’ve been following the minorleagueball.com’s community prospect list, which does seem to lean towards “potential”, but overall seems very fair. They’ve got Danny Hultzen at 19 (overall), Walker at 20, and Paxton at 26. By comparison, Arenado’s at 18, and Pomz is at 21.

by steakman on Nov 29, 2011 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Would they give up an elite pitching prospect

For the most average player in baseball – not sure they would.

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by biondino on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 AM MST up reply actions  

OPS, obviously

Although an 830 OBP is mighty intriguing …

by BostonTransplant on Nov 29, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

You have an outfielder

that has a consistent OBP of .830? impressive

/I kid of course but .830 OPS is difficult to come by.

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Do you have a link?

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/141709095043469312

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

My bad

Looks like I misread it a little. Mariners interested in Smith but no reports of the two teams actually talking.

by Adam2011 on Nov 29, 2011 8:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Woo hoo! Felix for Seth!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

we're gonna end up

trading smith for a reliever and Chone Figgins

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by Resolution on Nov 29, 2011 10:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes we will

I think we all knew that somewhere in this offseason we would end up with Chone Figgins

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by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2011 6:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Man. They just be givin' greens away today.

It’s like Gaslight Ball in here.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 8:05 PM MST reply actions  

You mean Gaslamp Ball?

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

sure, but gaslight would describe them just as well

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

heh

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

That place will drive you crazy...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

icwydt

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by SDcat09 on Nov 29, 2011 9:12 PM MST up reply actions  

OK Everyone

Baseball on the internet is over after this thread.

You don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here.

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by Andrew Martin on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 PM MST reply actions  

Is that like TV on the Radio?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

But what if I am at home

can I stay here then?

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Or can I come back when I get home?

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by jrockies on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions  

wha...

Too tired to move.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

....

I don’t know, I just kinda got here. But I’ll be up for a while.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that's kind of how it goes with this site

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by oo_nrb on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions  

haha, yeah

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 PM MST up reply actions  

It's crazy.

But I love it. I’m never bored, but I’m never not busy.
Two more weeks til finals! I’ve started to freak out.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 29, 2011 11:43 PM MST up reply actions  

You'll do great!

And then you’ll just be in a continual state of freak-out for the next 3 1/2 years :P

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by oo_nrb on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Heh, nice.

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

But the level of freak out dies down after a while

even when the amount of work picks up to levels you never expected because you realize it’s all a part of the game

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by jrockies on Nov 30, 2011 6:28 AM MST up reply actions  

We're Occupying Purple Row

Andrew can tell us to leave, but he can’t make us….

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 PM MST up reply actions  

1% of moderators

control 99% of the moderation power!

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by oo_nrb on Nov 29, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions  

We have a big strike today by public sector workers

The government are crushing the poor in this country. This will seem like small beer compared to what’ll happen if the givernemtn won’t back off.

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by biondino on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 AM MST up reply actions  

“I’m bound to follow my conscience, and do whatever I can…”

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