Rockies are 2 moves from ready, well 3 if Ellis leaves
I want to take a minute to frame out a slightly different way to look at the free agent market. As a small to medium market club, the Rockies have to count on bringing talent up through the minors and using it cheaply until their free agency kicks in. The Rockies will still need free agents, sometimes big ones. This is one of those years. We need one significant free agent.
Everyone knows that the Rockies farm system is weak. But it is weak in a particular way. There was a glaring lack of future stars in triple A in 2011. The one that was there was Rex Brothers, and relief pitching was the Rockies strong suit in 2011. But the lower levels of the farm system hold potential.
Basically a good prospect advances one level per year until they arrive in the majors. Obviously it is not a straight line, but it is not realistic to count on Nolan Arenado to make the jump from single A to the majors for 2012. More likely is 2014, or if we are lucky 2013, maybe even mid-year. He might also get hurt and arrive in 2015.
Enough of the set up, I want to look at the gaps the Rockies have to fill, and for how long, assuming everyone progresses in the one level per year fashion.
First Base – The Rockies have Todd Helton signed through 2013 and Ben Paulsen should reach triple A this year.
Second Base – Technically open right now. The return of Mark Ellis is likely. No one else on the Rockies roster or at triple A seems qualified. Tommy Field and Hector Gomez should spend 2012 with the Sky Sox and we can’t count out Josh Rutledge. One of these three should be ready for 2013. We need a one year solution.
Shortstop – Any idea as to who will get this job in 2012? I am at a loss.
Third Base – Nolan Arenado spent last year in single A. His time is likely 2014, though 2013 is possible. Absent the miraculous revival of Ian Stewart, there is no one with a prayer of holding down this position in the organization prior to the ascension of Arenado, whenever that happens. Third screams out for a trade or a free agent. The problem is we want a quality player for probably two years max. Aramis Ramirez isn’t going to sign a two year deal. Five probably is what it would take. That’s not even getting into total contract dollars.
Here is where DOD makes his money. Can he trade for a higher quality player with one or two years left on his contract as a bridge to the arrival of Arenado? This is where we play our trade chips. Alternatively we get a mid-level free agent and we get what we pay for.
Catcher – Chris Iannetta is under contract for 2012 and team control for 2013. Wilin Rosario should start the year in triple A. One of them becomes a trading chip when Rosario is ready.
Right Field – We have CarGo, we are good.
Center Field – Dexter Fowler’s contract covers 2012. Tim Wheeler should be in triple A. No decisions have to be made this year, but there is an important decision on which player to go with coming down the road for 2013.
Left Field – The cost effective way for the Rockies to handle left field in 2012 is to go with Charlie Blackmon and Ryan Spilborghs. An A list free agent would command serious dollars and multiple years. We have three serious outfield prospects in the pipeline in Wheeler, Parker and Massanari. We need the money for starting pitchers. Someone like a Josh Willingham would cost $6 million plus per year and the contract would have to be for at least three years.
Relief Pitching – Not a worry, plus we are adding Rex Brothers. Though you can never have enough pitchers in the minors.
Starting Pitching – Kind of the big problem. When Jhoulys Chacin is the anchor, experience is a problem. Setting aside Jorge De La Rosa, who will not be 100% until 2013, Chacin, Juan Nicasio and Jason Hammel are the ‘veterans’ with a combined 181 big league starts. Over half by Hammel who might be a better fit as a long reliever anyway.
Alex White should also start and his injured finger should not be a factor. He chips in another 10 starts from 2011 if you’re counting.
There should be two or three pitchers that finish 2012 strongly at triple A (Drew Pomeranz, Christian Friedrich, Joe Gardner) and double A (Tyler Matzek, Peter Tago, Chad Bettis). I find it hard to forecast the future of pitchers, but we have the bodies. Some of these pitchers may end up in a relief role. There just really isn’t anyone else to bring up to Denver as a starter in the system in 2012.
The Rockies key off season challenge is to add significant, experienced starting pitcher to the staff for 2012. Everyone knows this, but we actually only need them for two or three years. C.J. Wilson will probably go to a major market for a lot of dollars and years. There are some solid options after Wilson. We may have to offer more years or richer dollars to get the quality of pitcher we really need in free agency. So be it. A trade would be possible, but we don’t have enough chips to get both a third baseman and a front line starting pitcher by trade. We may not have a true number one pitcher until 2013. If we end up with a logjam of starting pitchers in 2014, one can always trade pitching for value.
We may also add a less talented veteran starter. Right now our staff can’t afford injuries. This is where a Jeff Francis, Bruce Chen or Roy Oswalt would fit for the Rockies. We could keep the years low so that there is room for the rising talent from the minors.
The point? The Rockies are a small to medium market club and have to prioritize. DOD should load up on landing the best free agent pitcher he can afford. Don’t block Arenado. He should trade for a good third baseman entering the last year or two of his contract, even if the dollars are a little high. Bring back Mark Ellis or his equivalent for a year. There may be some other minor moves to strengthen the bench and we are ready for spring training!
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i doubt any of pomeranz, friedrich, or gardner ever see the springs
outside of a rehab assignment
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Taking this approach, the Rockies will be lucky to equal their win total of this past season. I agree that we need a starting pitcher, but if Spillbourghs and Blackmon are splitting time in left, this team is through. I’ve heard that the Rockies have the room for a 100 MM payroll from the man himself, Dan O’Dowd. Time to quit over valuing our prospects, and move some of them for Major League ready talent. Our prospects are just that, propsects, and if you think they’re all gonna hit, you have not been paying attention. Wilin Roasrio looked nothing like a future star in his callup. They need to make two or three trades and have one good signing. Strap in, because I think you’re about to be surprised by the amount of activity.
It's possible he means
the Rockies are not subjecting their top starting pitching to Colorado Spings baseball. They might go on rehab but not to play the season. Pomeranz is good enough for the MLB right now from what I’ve seen.
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JFK
this is what i meant
nothing good happens to pitchers there
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
First of all, I have to commend you for writing something
This long with your views as you know it will come under fire as everyone has differing opinions.
Anyways, I have a few disagreements with some assertions that you made. To start: Arenado. I am a huge fan, and really believe in the upside the kid has, especially with all the positive marks about his attitude that I’ve seen people write about. Even though he spent the year at Modesto, reaching the majors isn’t out of the question. I am not saying it is likely but it’s a real possibility. His old manager at Modesto is on the major league staff now. Top prospects make the jump from A to the majors every so often, Mike Trout did it this year. However a lot can go wrong so 14 isn’t out of the question but would surprise me.
In terms of your people finishing at AA, Bettis will most likely start there, and hopefully have a good season. For Matzek to end up in AA by the end of the year, he would have to be first placed in Modesto, then have a Pomeranz type year to be moves up, and though I think he’ll break out, I think they’ll be very careful with him. Tago couldn’t find the strike zone in low A. He’s a prime candidate to repeat there, so I don’t think there is any chance for him to move up.
For the AAA starters, I could actually see Friedrich get assigned there, really depends on what they want to do. It’s getting to make
It or break it time for him, so it’ll be interesting where they start him. Pom, if he doesn’t make the roster out of ST, I don’t think there is a question of where he will go, and that’s just to freshen up at AA. If that happens it means something went horribly wrong with him or totally awesome with 5 other guys. Obviously opinions are very divided on where Nicasio fits, as we don’t know much about the condition he is in, as I don’t think any of us are spinal surgeons. All the reports are good so far, though I think he starts in AA just to get his confidence back. Gardner is a total wild card. While I don’t think he ever pitches in AAA outside of a rehab or after he makes it, it could happen just to assess his sinker, I think he is the only one that could conceivably end up there, though not at the start of the year.
But overall this takes us to a bigger problem. If the Rockies won’t use AAA for pitchers at all, what do they do with the logjam of starters at the AA level?
White (probably in MLB)
Pomeranz (probably in MLB)
Friedrich
Nicasio
Cabrera
Bettis
Gardner
Frazier
Anderson (hopefully later in the season)
Then all the organizational filler guys like Alan DeRatt that spent time at AA.
I think this is the question that is the hardest to answer as a whole, you have a lot of starting pitching prospects at similar development stages and only so many places to put them if you don’t use AAA for these guys.
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by Bloynoys on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
And you can add
Rob Scahill to that list as well after a great start to the AFL. However, if there is anyone that would move up to AAA it would probably be him.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by Bloynoys on Nov 4, 2011 12:51 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The AAA pitching scenario baffles me.
Surely it gives young pitchers the chance to practice pitching in thin air and adapting strategies to cope with it? Bearing in mind winning doesn’t really matter, I’d think that for all but the most emotionally fragile pitchers, it’s be a good, tough lesson that might make the move to the bigs more straightforward.
Although most of the best prospects may be at AA, I’d have thought that at least the floor at AAA is higher, so while they’re not facing many major leaguers, they’re not facing noobs or scrubs either, for the most part.
Particularly if they get a humidor installed
Not using the AAA level to develop pitchers is going to make things very tough.
It seems the thing to do is to make AAA as close to the team’s MLB conditions as possible. Install the humidor, move the fences back a bit at Security Service Field if possible. Not much you can do about the other parks in the PCL but that would help. Sounds like the Monforts are thinking along those lines and hopefully it happens soon.
The flip side of this is that evidence is mounting that pitching at altitude chews up arms. Still, bringing up guys who really aren’t ready yet isn’t a good formula for success.
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Personal opinion:
If Nicasio’s healthy, he’s in Denver
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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can't agree with this statement enough.
First of all, I have to commend you for writing something
This long with your views as you know it will come under fire as everyone has differing opinions.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with a healthy chunk of this post, but. . .
Rockies need to use AAA. if Pomeranz doesn’t make the team out of ST, he’ll probably go to AA, but I hope they stick him in AAA to get the feel of pitching at that altitude. Same goes for Gardner and Friedrich. Gardner needs to work on his sinker at altitude because the movement will be TOTALLY different than what he’s used to. He won’t get the extreme sinker movement that he gets at say Tulsa.
I see White in MLB (as long as his ST isn’t disastrous), Nicasio back mid-year, Bettis in AA, and Anderson in A+.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
June 1
There is an advantage in terms of the calculation or arbitration eligibility in keeping Arenado in the minors until June 1st. Control for an extra year. GMs have to think about that kind of stuff.
My take at the springs roster
Springs Roster
C: Either a MILB FA, or an obscure player already in the system
1B: Paulsen
2B: Field
SS: Gomez
3B: Nelson
OF: Garner
OF: Wheeler
OF: MILB FA (Beerer ???)
BE: Zuanich
BE: Emaus (May be Gone
Analysis: Catcher has no one. Pagnozzi, Morales and Alfonzo were our high minors depth guys, and Pacheco and Rosario should break the big leagues this year. Paulsen, Field and Gomez are fairly obvious, Field is the only one with a shot at the 25 man, all are due for a call up to AAA. Nelson is tough to put here again and may not be brought back if not on the 25 man. Garner (Emaus too) may go to another team for a change of scenery and a shot at the bigs. I’d love him back. Wheeler gets to AAA and the Rox have shown (Pahceco, Blackmon) that they are fine putting guys of his caliber (good not great) in AAA. I think Zuanich gets the call up but he could be kept in AA.
SP: Friedrich
SP: Riordan
SP: Scahill
RP: Weathers
These guys are the core of the staff. Obviously there would be others too. The only surprise is Friedrich, who might be given a MLB shot with a good spring. If not he has to go to AAA, Springs or not. And we’ll see how he fares
Nelson either makes the team
or has to be placed on waivers. I would think someone takes him but I don’t know too much.
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
My take at the Tulsa roster
C: ?? (not a ton of talent in the top of the system as Pacheco and Rosario graduated)
1B: Clark/Rolling
2B: Nina
SS: Rutledge
3B: Arenado
OF: Matthes
OF: Cleary
OF: ??
SP: Bettis
SP: Gardner
SP: Frazier
SP: Houston
SP: Cabrera
RP: Woods
RP: Yacko
This team will be fun to watch, I look forward to it.
I'd like to do Modesto and Asheville, Tri City and Grand Junction
But it gets slightly more confusing

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