Friday Rockpile: Top 2000 Reasons the Rockies Should Try and Clone Babe Ruth
by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintYesterday, it was reported by Ken Rosenthal that the Rockies were among 6 teams that are monitoring Jamie Moyer's throwing sessions.
Yes, Jamie Moyer. Jamie Moyer, who started the first Cubs night game. Jamie Moyer who autographed Harry Truman's baseball card. Jamie Moyer, the first pitcher to hit a home run.
Jamie Moyer is old.
Moyer's strength is his ability to throw strikes. Moyer's 1.61 BB/9 in 2010 was 4th lowest in the majors, behind Cliff Lee, Carl Pavano, and Roy Halladay. This kind of strike-throwing ability would be so foreign to what we saw last season out of the rotation.
Seriously though, this is what the Rockies have come to. Watching the Julio Franco of pitching work out, just to see if there are any innings left in that tank.
Really, having one veteran-esque pitcher isn't a miserable idea. Having a couple isn't a miserable idea. With Jorge De La Rosa on the DL until I don't know exactly when and Juan Nicasio a bigtime question mark right now, the Rockies will be leaning on some young and/or ineffective pitching to try and pull through the 2012 season in one piece. This isn't to throw Alex White, Drew Pomeranz, and Jhoulys Chacin under the bus. It's just a fact that the Rockies will need arms to take inning loads, and if Moyer's bizarre "fountain of youth" pitching is up to taking that job, I'm all for it. Plus, Kevin Millwood might just be happier with someone his own age to play with. And by Own Age I mean 10 years his senior.
Because how awesome would life be if we were looking at a Jhoulys Chacin-Jason Hammel-Drew Pomeranz-Kevin Millwood-Jamie Moyer on opening day? I mean, yeah, it's ugly, but come on! There's comedy written all over that rotation! Moyer is twice the age of Pomeranz and Chacin! I'm imagining Moyer shuffling around the clubhouse calling everyone WhipperSnappers.
In all seriousness, Moyer wouldn't preclude getting any other sort of MLB player. Moyer would likely be a low-base, high-incentive type signing, were the Rockies to land him, which would still leave effectively the same budget room available to pursue some sort of Michael Cuddyer type player.
Jamie Moyer is older than the following managers: Manny Acta, Eric Wedge, Joe Girardi, Fredi Gonzalez, and Ozzie Guillen.
Jamie Moyer's debut came on 6/16/1986, where he pitched 6.1 innings of relief against the Phillies. The #1 song that day according to Billboard was "On My Own" by Patti LaBelle & Michael McDonald.
Frankly, I'm excited about the possibility for the comedy option Moyer pitching for Colorado would present. In case you didn't notice.
Jamie Moyer is old.
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I hear that Ricky Henderson is interested in giving 3rd base a shot.
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Get well soon Juan.
Kips wife can reach around
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 4, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Moyer
would probably fall apart at coors field. But I like old dudes. this guy isn’t old for baseball, he’s old for the earth.
Mark Buehrle
Curious to know if Buehrle is an option at all or are we just scared off by his cost. He would cost a bit more than Wandy, but wouldn’t cost prospects and could be the veteran leader needed to guide the young starters.
Seems like a good investment.
TGFPR!!
No room to park his truck at Coors.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Scared by the cost, I'd wager.
I’m totally interested him, and so are a lot of us.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
As a free agent, Buehrle does not make sense for the Rockies.
I’m not really sure how you get “good investment” out of a situation that would see a pitcher get at least a four year deal for considerably more than he’s worth per season were the Rockies to be successful. I’d be interested in Buehrle at market rate on a short term contract, but that’s not what the result of the FA process will be with him.
OT: I really wish I kept my calc 3 book right now.
I have a Microsoft Kinect that I’m using to interface with a vr simulation I’m writing at work, and having a paper copy of something to remind me how the basics of vector calculus work would be handy.
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Get well soon Juan.
Calc 3 baby
I remember those TNB frames and 3D integrals. Good times
Carlos Gonzalez has an extraordinary tendency to amplify light through stimulated emission of radiation in frequent bursts.
Shoulder-to-Shoulder for life!
Hollidayrain Music
I can't even figure up a+b=c
so I’m totally lost as to what you all would talk about. Needs to get Destro and RtC on speed dial now.
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Yep good times. I just wish I wasn't 10 years departed from that class.
I’m trying to figure out ways to detect particular gestures and such for moving, rotating, and disassembling mechanical models.
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I don't remember them
And yet I did them.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Calc 3 was my favorite
My teacher was practically a kindergarten teacher. Had tinker toys and helped us visualize shapes by standing on a chair with her arms out and spinning.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
The other day
when Moyer was brought in the RP. I thought about the scene from Major League with the old guy sitting in the tub all the time, and it brought visions of him going out to the mound leaning on a walker, while his intro song is “Shine on your Crazy Diamond Parts 1-8” by Pink Floyd. Its like a 15 minute song. But, then AMart starting bringing up some points and with this story today. I’m thinking that maybe Moyer isn’t such a bad idea. As stated above, a couple of veteran guys in that rotation wouldn’t hurt any.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
It would really re-enforce the image of
The Colorado Zombies as well
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Get well soon Juan.
Could they even keep up with the ones running away from them?
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Agree or disagree?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111103&content_id=25896338&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
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I don't agree
on Berkman thats for sure. The rest are pretty good I would say.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
whose better than berkman?
don’t say vogelsong because the award is Comeback player of the year implying you once had to be good. Vogelsong had a breakout year, not a comeback year
agreed
Coming back from a bad year versus coming back from being out of baseball and having a great year is far more impressive.
If you were great your whole career and had a bad year and cameback to be yourself…why should you get an award for that?
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
The softer you throw
the less father is can go!
Id rather go Moyer over Millwood or Hammel
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but the more time they have to actually find, watch, have a drink, and then hit the ball.
I might as well be out there pitching.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
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A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a horrible actor he turned out to be.
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Get well soon Juan.
Whatever
American Pie ummm American Pie 2 ummmm American Pie 3 ummmm suprise appearances in weird movies and tv dramas….
yeah your right
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
When I was a kid...yes.
Two actors that I know of that started out as kids that turned out pretty well are Elijah Wood and Macaulay Culkin. Too bad Culkin makes Robert Downey Jr. look like a well adjusted normal adult.
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Get well soon Juan.
I had driving school with him once.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope
I got a ticket in high school and to get the points erased from my license I went to driving school. Sat a couple rows behind him. We shared an eye roll about the lady who wanted to tell every story that’s ever happened to her about driving.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I ate lunch two tables away from him once
and know a couple people who took a college class with him…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Moyer can also put the ball
in a 3 " square area at the knees for about 90 pitches a game on the outside corner repeatedly.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
excellent point
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HYOOGE point
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He's like my sig about Tanana...
He may be the mentor some of the youngsters need. Teach them the art of pitching and not just a thrower. If any thing he’ll drive home the importance of changing speeds.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I don't know
seems like something slapped together for the fans. I don’t ever trust anything GM’s or coaches say to the public
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Personally, I don't put much into it.
I doubt a GM would come out and say “We NEED to make a HUGE TRADE” for a newspaper article prior to the winter meetings.
But it certainly sounds like O’Dowd’s offseason MO.
I'd take it close to face value, and to me it actually seems a reversal of what was said early in the off-season
The first really interesting part of that is the acknowledgement of Arenado “potentially changing that whole scenario” of going to AA next year. It seems very likely that the Rockies are thinking of pushing him to the MLB level quickly, which is what I’ve suspected for a couple of weeks.
The part that sort of disappoints is that the Rockies now aren’t really exploring trades beyond “the margins of the roster”. I wouldn’t mind them turning down deals that don’t make sense (Carl Pavano) or cost too much of the future (Carl Pavano,) but to stay out of the market altogether limits the growth potential of the team. This seems to me to be a bit of a flip from the team’s well publicized pursuit of a 200 IP pitcher, since said workhorse likely won’t be coming via free agency. Still, if it keeps the team from going after a Pavano like-dud, maybe it isn’t such a bad thing.
It is interesting too but not surprising that the FA’s of interest that are mentioned are both offensive, namely Michael Cuddyer and Grady Sizemore.
I laughed for a good few minutes at “The Ol’ One Mississippi Two Missippi” from the other day.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 9:17 AM MDT reply actions
gah, out of the spelling bee.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
What is the plural for Ox?
Oxen. The farmer used his Oxen.
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Get well soon Juan.
Give me an O. Give me another O. Give me a T. Give me a P. What does that spell?
NERD!
We still need 2–3 players for our OOTP league. That will give us a full MLB, and a really awesome gaming experience.
Read more about the league here:
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/10/31/2527245/purple-row-ootp-12-online-league
Check out the timeline here:
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/11/3/2534908/purple-row-ootp-league-development-timeline
Seriously, what are you going to do? Watch American Football? Bah!
Note: I’m going to stop selling this on every Rockpile after tomorrow.
THE STATUE GOT ME HIGH
HIIIIIIIGH
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I started a game last night, and decided to play for a bit until going to bed
….and then 4:30am rolls around…
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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I mentioned the part about losing your job, family, etc, right?
It’s seriously like crack for baseball addicts. Self-control is a necessity.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 4, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I noticed your light was still on
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
no one said this game would be so sad
I just finished 2011 as Toronto.
The Rockies won 103 games, Cargo won the Triple Crown, and Ubaldo had 18 victories. :-(
The Seattle Mariners won the World Series in 7 games over the LA Dodgers…
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BURN DOWN OOTP
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That is awesome
The Mariners won the world series? I wish OOTP was real life!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rockies won 103 games
but the Doggers went to the World Series.
If that were real life, it just might kill me…
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Fair enough
That is quite unfortunate. But at least the Dodgers didn’t win!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't tell the real Rockies -
They have a hard enough time handling big expectations!
Is it 2012 yet?
Topo? Poot?
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
see it was kind of a joke on the fact that we're talking about ancient Jamie Moyer
Might as well try cloning the Babe
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Its Babe Ruth's Career Hits - His Carrer Home Runs +- some error number
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there
article written by Thnikkaman
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Moyer have a son?
If so, he should be ready to enter the prime of his career. Lets sign both at a discount!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I dunno
his son’s already looking at retiring soon
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought his son took some shrapnel fighting the krauts.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
*said in olde-time styled voice*
support you local Denver game of base and ball, where we have three generations of Moyers playing for us!
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Pepperidge Farms remembers the Moyers
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
People confuse Moyer with J.M. Smucker
Because his picture is on jam jars so often
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Next week on the Amos and Andy show: An in interview with Moyer Sr! We’ll discuss the the new commissioner of base and ball, the emergence of the Negro Leagues, and what television means for radio!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm pretty sure I heard Moyer referred to....
in a recent episode of Boardwalk Empire.
Nucky Thompson liked the way he threw the “spinner”.
Dexter Fowler for Logan Morrison?
Link (note – no smoke here, just writer pontification)
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 11:11 AM MDT reply actions
I guess Cargo moves to center
And you play some combination of Smith, Blackmon and Spilly (yuck) in the corners? With Wheeler coming soon? I think if this deal (obviously all theoretical) happens, we need to work on acquiring another corner OF.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Isn't Logan Morrison a corner OF?
A Smith/CarGo/LoMo outfield isn’t too bad, but I don’t know if it’s much of an upgrade over Smith/Fowler/Cargo, just shifting OBP to SLG.
LoMo is crappy defensively
though he got better this year than the previous year and DRS has him as a mild negative opposed to UZR’s hatred.
LoMo seems like something of a buy-low guy but I feel like just acquiring him is very incomplete and leaves our 1 or 2 hitters in flux…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
though him and Blackmon tweeting back and forth may make the cost worth it
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hellz yeaahhhh
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If we got LoMo and Prado
I’d be pretty happy with a Prado, CarGo, Tulo, LoMo, Helton lineup and with Arenado months away…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Helton's really a c-c-c-c-combo breaker in that lineup, isn't he?
by Shoemaker on Nov 4, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for Killer Instinct
Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin
and with a Jamie Moyer anchored rotation....
NL WEST BABY
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Jamie Moyer would need some custom audio clip for when he bats that just says:
‘I walked this Earth long before you were here and will continue to do so long after you’re gone’
It’s the perfectly intimidating right before he drops a sweet sac bunt!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Right you are -
I just got distracted by the idea of Morrison being 1B when Todd’s gone.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I think if we acquired LoMo, Smith becomes our most attractive trade piece.
We could move him in a package for somebody like Prado. Plus I, like CCR has been proposing, wouldn’t mind seeing Wheeler traded this offseason as a sell-high candidate; I think he could be the key piece in acquiring a pitcher like Danks.
We could maybe also sign somebody like Gomes (not sure if this would cost way too much), and then roll with a Morrison-CarGo-Gomes/Blackmon outfield. With the additions of Prado and Danks, I’d feel like that would be an excellent offseason, though completely unrealistic.
I do like how that lineup shapes up, though
RF Blackmon/Gomes (probably not ideal)
3B Prado
CF Gonzalez
SS Tulowitzki
LF Morrison
1B Helton
C Iannetta
2B Ellis
P
Not bad.
Trading Fowler, Smith and Wheeler
takes a huge chunk out of our organization depth chart in the OF. Unless somebody comes back in the Wheeler trade, I’m not sure just adding LoMo and Gomes is going to be enough to fill the hole that would be left…
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be too bad.
We wouldn’t need Gomes in that scenario since Blackmon doesn’t show the need for a strong platoon (yet). We would need to find a legitimate 4th OF though.. Which Gomes could be I guess.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 1:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So we'd have
Blackmon/CarGo/LoMo/Gomes.
And then we have an injury. Who steps in? Unless you were a big fan of the Wiggy/Ey2 OF experience, I shudder to even think about it… When keeping Spilly around for such a situation sounds like one of the better options, I’m not liking the direction this is going..
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Prado can technically play the outfield.
I’m sure he’d be better than Wigginton/EY2, anyways.
I’m not sure if we have any potential 5th outfielders close to the Show that could even be serviceable. Scott Beerer, maybe?
McBride
Seriously.
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I admit I haven't paid much attention at all to McBride since the trade.
Has he shown enough talent to make it seem like he could be a serviceable backup on a major league team?
(I should probably go look at his B-R page. In fact, I’ll do that right now)
for an emergency 5th OF type?
Sure, why not.
Scott Beerer is another okay name.
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Plus he could pitch in a blowout!
(Real talk: I really want one of our position players to pitch in a blowout. Not Tulo, obviously)
Isn't Field a converted pitcher?
Or did I just make that up?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
would he be a good platoon partner for
Smith?
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I'm assuming that's a 'no' lol
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Moyer would have kicked your ass
in nineteen dickety-two and bygummit he’ll kick your ass in twenty dickety-two.
I’d tell you he’s going to read this comment and find you, but there’s a 99% chance he doesn’t know how to use computers effectively…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I totally get the concern
but ultimately this is kind of saying ’I’m worried about improving the starting roster because of what it means for our backups’. Not to say that depth isn’t important – we all re-learned that this year but if given the choice to improve our backups while not improving the starting lineup much vs improving the starting lineup while downgrading the backups – I think I know where I’m leaning. Especially considering respectable average backups abound relative to quality starters….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
But how much do we improve our starting roster?
Fowler for LoMo doesn’t strike me as a quantum leap forward. Smith for Prado I approve of, just because OF is an easier hole to fill than 2B/3B. The Wheeler trade I don’t see us upgrading our starting lineup. That one strikes me as “trade him now because trade him now”, and if we’re already reducing the OF crop ahead of him and don’t have any other realistic replacements high in our system, it seems pretty short sighted to me.
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You don't think John Danks would be an upgrade to our starting rotation?
That’s who I’m proposing using Wheeler as a key piece to get.
You said "lineup," I'm sorry, that's my mistake.
I think you’re right in that adding Morrison and Prado while dropping Fowler, Smith, and Wheeler isn’t necessarily an enormous upgrade to our batting lineup. But I think, theoretically, it results in a net gain for the team as a whole.
1) It allows us to get Danks, which would be a significant piece to add to our rotation.
2) Prado isn’t an enormous bat, but he’d almost certainly be better than anything we have available at 3rd or 2nd at the moment. Plus, since he can play both positions, he has the added bonus of not blocking Arenado if the latter earns a call-up to the majors in the near future.
3) Morrison could potentially be groomed as a Helton replacement (as proposed in the original article posted by ATF), which we have a significant lack of in the system. By the time Helton retires and Morrison would move to first, some of our outfielders at the lower levels of the minors (Ortega, Parker, Matthes) could theoretically be ready to fill the hole he would leave.
Obviously this is all completely theoretical, but I don’t really see these potential trades as being necessarily short sighted.
I think what I'm reacting negatively to here
is that it seems like it would leave us spread pretty thin across the board. Yes, we fix a hole in the IF (which is why Smith/Prado is by far my favorite of these options) and we add a starter. But we open a hole in the OF and deplete the MLB ready organization depth, which is already scary thin. We add some power in the OF. But leave ourselves without much of a CF option if CarGo goes down (and we have seen CarGo can go down….). LoMo/Blackmon/McBride or Gomes in the OF at Coors is the stuff of which nightmares are made.
Like I said, at first glance it all sounds good. But it also seems like an invitation to disaster without some FA additions to help patch the holes.
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Honestly
For better or worse I tend to ignore the threat of injuries (except for people like Helton) as they’re kind of random anyway.
Technically, what I’d do is make these deals knowing we have some depth (though not as good as it was) and invest the money saved in improving our strength/conditioning/trainer capacities. I personally think that’s an undervalued aspect of baseball – yet some teams like the White Sox annually have significantly less time on the DL relative to the mean…
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The fact that injuries are random
is the reason you need to build depth around the diamond. Without depth all the rest of this is pretty much pointless. Prado and Danks aren’t going to be much help to a team starting McBride in the OF for a stretch, just as Smith or Wheeler aren’t going to do much to a team giving Hammel and Rogers regular starts. The problem here is that we’re just short on overall MLB or near MLB talent. I know I’m totally focusing too much on the downside and not enough on the guys we would add. And for some strange reason I’m probably fine with it without the Fowler/LoMo deal, even though that doesn’t change the # of outfielders. It just keeps the guys we have spread a little more evenly across the 3 positions…
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Feel free to disagree
but to your last point, I get the feeling Kyle Parker is already being groomed to be Helton’s replacement. His power fits perfectly there, and I’ll be damned if we don’t have another former college quarterback manning first base.
No pun intended on "manning" first base
Though I am aware that both Helton and Seth Smith backed up the Manning brothers.
Too bad that pun wasn't intended
it was a good one.
I’m kind of amazed I don’t think I’ve ever heard Drew Goodman use it…
Also, I agree with you that I think Parker is probably the intended successor to Helton at 1B.
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Sorry, I missed that part
Yeah, he would be an upgrade to the rotation. But then you’re talking about even more pieces out of the system because Wheeler might be the key to such a deal, but he certainly wouldn’t be all of it.
If it all works, it’s great. But if a couple guys go down, it could all fall apart like a house of cards. To me the key to it would have to be to supplement it with some good depth signings out of the FA market.
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I think given the fungible nature of depth
it’s not such a big risk…
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It's not all fungible
If CarGo goes down, LoMo, Gomes and McBride really don’t do anything to cover our lack of an MLB centerfielder…
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It puts the "fun" in fungible!
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by Muzia on Nov 4, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
if CarGo goes down
we’re kind of screwed regardless. Also, can Blackmon play a decent CF?
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I know he's played CF in the minors before.
Never seen him play, and we all know how iffy defensive stats are, but he played great defense in left in an SSS, I’d be confident that he wouldn’t be awful at CF.
I think Blackmon can survive out there
in most parks, he might be decent. I’m not sure if he can cover the ground you need to at Coors, though…
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I think part of the problem
is that if you’re asking for ’who’s a guy who can be a non-horrible bat and play a good CF in the event of an injury’ – I think that guy is the starting CF on a lot of teams.
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We have two of them now
and one of them does perfectly fine starting as a corner OF. I just mentioned it above, but if you take out the Fowler/LoMo deal I’m a lot more comfortable with the others. It just seems like what we’re talking overall turns our OF situation into CarGo and a pool of corner OF guys, and that particular deal doesn’t add that much, overall…
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I mean
all I’d really want are Prado and Danks and then to extend Danks.
I like Fowler. Though I think there’s a Cory Sullivan out there waiting to be acquired if we somehow found ourselves out of a CF…
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I like Fowler a lot too
I think this is his version of Stewie’s 2011 – make or break at the plate. If he can put a decent season together, make lots of contact, and keep his Ks down, I’ll be extremely pleased.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Except for that
It sounds like it may not have been make or break for Ian Stewart after all…But I totally see your point and agree.
Point taken
But in a perfect world, he wouldn’t be back.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
In a perfect world
he’d be hitting .320 with 40 HRs every year…
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And so would the rest of the roster
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
That last part
sounds like it makes my point… :-)
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Angel Pagan will most likely be available
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
It's true
there’s definitely something about Fowler for LoMo that seems like it could be a lateral move. But trading 1 OF for another doesn’t reduce our depth at all. I’m also interested in dealing Wheeler since I’m really skeptical about his ML prospects…
I don’t know if I’d necessarily trade Fowler for LoMo but I can see a clear logic in that trade. I also like LoMo because his walk rates have historically be totally awesome (though so have Fowlers’) and LoMo had like a .265 BABIP against righties last year. That being said I don’t know if I’d see enough of a benefit to acquire LoMo to necessitate Fowler…
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ooo I kind of like it
though I think it leaves us some pretty good questions atop the lineup…
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"questions atop the lineup"
Like Fowler?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
yea
but also no obvious guy (Blackmon maybe? some crappy hitter with no OBP that Tracy would fall in love with?)
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No
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
No, Shoemaker did. Look right above your post.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
You must have missed the part where we have to operate within the bounds of Jim Tracy.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 4, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
lets kidnap tracy
and get a wax museum to make us a better, inanimate tracy. Put that guy in the dugout and keep him in the shade during summer games.
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He'll need to be animatronic
or remote controlled so that he can walk to the mound. Also, he should have a speaker hidden somewhere on him so we can give him some things to say during postgame interviews: “professional, ball player, matchupz.”
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Just program him to say "special" intermittently
The Denver sports media won’t notice the difference.
by Shoemaker on Nov 4, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets just get Apodaca to signal to the pitchers
and have pitches just take themselves out of the game.
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Awwwwww!
I think building remote-control Tracy would be fun! And we could even make his head spin!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
we can do that too
these plans aren’t mutually exclusive. I’d also want to make sure that one of his phrases would be ‘if you want to play for this team, you have to check your ego at the door’
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Boom Roasted.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
But then they could only be pseudorandom...
/2ndbasemanbats2nd
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Also:
If backup catcher hits a grand slam, Chris Ianetta sits 3 days a week
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
And said backup catcher then bats cleanup.
So many rules . . . that’s why you need a computer to keep track of them all.
Is it 2012 yet?
A lot of people didn’t know baseball was actually Moyer’s second career. He started pitching after his career in the talking pictures didn’t pan out.
Moyer is old.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions
Not immediately after
he didn’t come to baseball until a chance encounter with his Civil War comrade Abner Doubleday. Abner was in need of somebody to throw batting practice and Moyer had some time to kill. A career was born that day.
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
He decided to get into talking pictures
even though his parents wanted him to get into alchemy.
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My dad still talks fondly of the day, as a young lad, he was foisted up on the shoulders of a grizzled Jamie Moyer for a victory lap around the Polo Grounds after the Giants had won an extra inning game.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 4, 2011 12:05 PM MDT reply actions
Jamie Moyer helped organize Albert Spalding’s first baseball promotional tour.
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Matt Klaassen on Prado
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/martin-prado-on-the-move/
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 12:37 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
So…essentially Kurt Yacko.
I think Prado has more value than he suggests, but it’s a plausible trade candidate that won’t cost us too much in prospects.
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Prado: Let's Go!
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100% on board with you
He’d be like a not-crappy Jose Lopez!
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He’d be nothing likea not-crappyJose Lopez
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if he would be better at second
if it was his consistent position. IT seems odd that he’d be so good at 3b but avg to below avg at 2b…
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Now..
do we want Babe Ruth the Pitcher, or Babe Ruth the hitter?
Either one would fill a huge hole on this team.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Wait we don't get both?!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You think we could afford both??
I wish!
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by Junction Rox on Nov 4, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't account for inflation
but I think we could do it anyway.
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Nice article about CarGo
And for purely shallow reasons….
How You Doin’ CarGo…..
http://www.vivacolorado.com/regional/ci_19251499
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I don't
like how Rosario is 14/45 and all 14 of those hits came in one week. Talk about streaky.
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I didn't get that far in the article
I pretty much stopped reading when I saw the picture ;D
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I don't understand the article...
14 hits in 13 at-bats
I mean, WHAT?
I’d like some clarification before I try to make some sense of that…
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
forgot about that
I read the article 4 hours ago before I posted.
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Metric system...
The same way that 14/45 works out to a .267 average according to the article…
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.974 OPS in Winter Ball, 1.093 OPS the past 10 days.
Oh, and he’s teammates with a certain pitcher named Greg Smith.
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This just makes me question
the article. Thanks for the link.
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Why is White being excluded in ~80% of the projected rotations for OD?
I think there is a very high chance of him starting with the team, higher than even Pomeranz.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 1:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
We might not have room for him.
Gonna be hard to find a spot for White in our Pavano-Danks-Chacin-Rodriguez-Millwood-Hammel-Nicasio-Moyer octagon of pitching madness.
Why hammel
Id rather have White than Hammel…at least with White your getting hope
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 4, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't know enough about White's personality.
I feel like we could construct a sitcom-worthy cast from our list of prospective rotation candidates.
Everything I’ve seen of Jason Hammel’s interviews has shown me that he’s a quietly funny, self-depreciating kind of guy (he’s also one of my favorites), so he fits in better with our potential “Party of Five Pitchers” pilot.
Street's a pretty goofy guy too
There could be a bullpen spinoff after a few seasons of success with the rotation show
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Arenado watch
Inning 1: double.
Carry on.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 1:51 PM MDT reply actions
Will Arenado be the most anticipated MLB debut for any of our prospects over the last few years?
We were all pretty excited about Chacin and Rosario, but I’m thinking this will exceed that.
Pretty sure I'm going to his debut no matter where it takes place
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He's actually been striking out a lot more over the past 10 games or so
granted ‘a lot more’ for him basically means he’s k’ing in 17% of PA’s and not like 7%. Given his history and his age I’m not worried but I also think there’s no reason why he shouldn’t start 2012 in AA for a few months – if he needs to adjust then it’s perfect and if he comes roaring out of the gate then hey, lets hold back his arb. clock.
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Arenado watch
5th inning, now two doubles and a pop out
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Such a loser. He's no Bryce Harper.
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Hey guess what - HE DOUBLED AGAIN
Drove in Tim Wheeler, who finally got a hit (double as well). Arenado tied the game with his hit
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
3 doubles? No HR?
Dammit, he’s going to turn into 2006 Garrett Atkins, isn’t he?
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Pop out
so basically he’s just Clint Barmes? Get rid of him!
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No let's hold onto him
You never know what he’ll be worth in a trade…
/Felipe Paulino
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Might as well give Phil Niekro a go while we're at it.
I’m also pro-Babe Ruth cloning. He’d make an awesome platoon partner with Spilly.
What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about?
I'm coming around to the idea
of picking up Sizemore.
If he’s healthy, a Sizemore/Fowler/Cargo outfield is the best defensively in the majors. Add to that Sizemore’s Gap Power would play very well here.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
With Seth/Wheeler being traded and Blackmon as 4th OF...
Sign me up.
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OT: Have you guys heard the Goat Rodeo Sessions?
It features Yo-Yo Ma, Stuart Duncan, Edgar Mayer and Chris Thile.
I think I might be a little bit in love :)
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Super duper great.
It features Aoife (sp?) O’Donovan’s voice on a couple tracks too – spectacular album.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Satchel Price sets out a very fair roster projection for 2012
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/11/4/2538780/2012-roster-projection-colorado-rockies
As early as it is, these don’t include rumored FA signings or trade acquisitions. This is basically what we are looking at if DOD sits on his hands.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 3:27 PM MDT reply actions
I always read that as Satchel Paige....
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That's amazing.
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I almost suggested we should sign him
I totally did not see that his last name was Price…
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I signed him, actually.
Sort of. Not really.
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Fair, I guess.
But i’d bet there are many changes in there.
I really, REALLY hope we don’t slot in Esmil Rogers as the #3 guy in the rotation at OD. (I’ve always advocated he’s a bullpen arm)
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
fulfilling the role that Felipe Paulino was supposed to have last season.
very versatile, capable of pitching 1-3 innings any day of the week. Just looking at that repertoire of pitches SCREAMS bullpen for me.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Not possible
Iannetta hitting 6? Nelson Hitting 8th as the second baseman? He doesn’t know Tracy at all.
I like the cheap platoon for Smith idea but I don’t know anyone who would be available for only that. I also don’t know if I like how young our rotation is, we really do need a veteran in there to eat innings and mentor these kids.
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LOL.
Braves asked for Lorenzo Cain and Wil Myers from KC for Jurrjens and Prado
Good work, Atlanta, ask for those two Top 100 Prospects for players you are giving away.
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You don't get if you don't ask
Of course, if what you ask if ridiculous, you still don’t get…
I have to think part of that is overvaluing Jurrjens. I wonder what they would be looking for for just Prado?
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sounds like Prado was a throw-in
at least from that report.
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they need money
lets just give them like 1.5 mill for the guy
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Kurt Yacko! Nick Schnaitmann!
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I think Cain goes in a deal for Jurrjens.
I think that will happen this offseason. But I don’t see Prado going to KC
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
We can give them a better package? Can't we.
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The point is that the package is too high. Lol.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
and what kind of package from us would equal what to they want?
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The Braves asked for two Top 100 position prospects
basically Arenado and Rosario.
Yeah, just a bid high for players they claim to be “on the block”
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Cain is older than Rosario, though
and still hasn’t really broken through to the bigs. That top 100 prospect glow might be fading a bit on him. But even if the equivalent was closer to Wheeler and Arenado or Fowler and Arenado (I always think of Fowler and Cain in a similar vein…), it still seems way too high to me…
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What do you think it'd take to land Prado?
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
He seems to be really, really available right now
We were thinking Seth Smith earlier; it may not even take that much
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Blackmon?
That could work.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather trade Smith than Blackmon ...
But then again, I guess the Braves would rather take Blackmon too, and for the same reason: Trying to save up $$ for a bigger acquisition.
Prado’s OK. Doesn’t excite me a lot, but he’s better than what we’ve got. I’d rather get Jurrjens, to be honest.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 4, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Arenado and Rosario and Pomeranz for HEYWARDZ
But really, is Jason Heyward still “available”? I haven’t heard much buzz about him lately, though I know that there was some talk late in the season that the Braves would be looking to move him this offseason.
It'd be the same as us giving them Pomeranz and Arenado for Jurrjens and Prado.
But it’s the context that matters.. Pretty much what Muzia just said.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
not THAT good, but definitely top of system guys
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 6:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Just added another hit
Wheeler doubled in front of that. Parker Frazier now pitching the 8th, just gave up a tying solo HR
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
There are so many guys raking in the AFL that it's hard for me to get extremely excited about this just yet...
Let’s see how he performs in ST/AA before we say he’s the next coming of ’06-7 Garrett Atkins.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
No. I demand that you over react RIGHT NOW!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
He's worth getting excited about, but
I agree that making bold predictions about what he’ll do in the MLB is a bit premature. I have no problem keeping an eye on him and hoping for the best case scenario, though, seeing as it’s more likely with him than it is with any of our other position prospects.
I definitely agree.
I just want to see how MLB pitchers exploit Arenado’s holes on offense. Like with what they did with Rosario, pitchers will find the holes and attack. Then it’s an adjustment period. Then we’ll know what he’s about.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 4, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
No kidding
30% of the league is OPSing over 900.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 4, 2011 4:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol I hope I'm not falling into a sarchasm right now
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 4, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Tim Wheeler just flew out to the warning track to end the game
down two runs, with two men on. Too bad.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 4, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“The last thing you want to do is go down in the history of All-Star game competition as the only injury (his nose was broken by Roberto Hernandez) sustained during the team picture.” ~Cal Ripken Jr.
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So injure somebody else during the team picture
problem solved…
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Hammel sucks, we cant afford his inconsistency again in the starting rotation. This is a joke of a year if he is #3, and O’dowd needs to grow some balls and sign a couple of free agents. THE FARM ISNT GOING TO CARRY THE TEAM. Sorry, all of these “internal” issues arent going to buy us 20 more W’s, better players will.
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