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Saturday Rockpile: O'Dowd, Rockies Set to Stand Pat this Offseason? Let's Hope Not

Krieger: O'Dowd says Rockies need "internal fix" - The Denver Post
This sounds like a good topic of conversation for a snowy (at least here in Salt Lake City) Saturday. Look, we all know the limitations that the Rockies and similar small-to-mid-market baseball clubs face - big free agent splashes just aren't the norm, nor should they be. However, Dan O'Dowd and the Colorado front office have been relying on internal fixes during the entirety of their "championship window" (which I deem to me 2007 to present), and they've only reached the playoffs twice and had a winning record three times in five seasons.

Simply put, while the Rox have above-average to superstar talent at the key up-the-middle positions, they haven't had a good supporting cast come up through the system to support those players. Draft failures are the big key here, but could it be more than that? Who knows. One thing is for sure, though - if O'Dowd's approach (which, again, isn't necessarily the wrong one) doesn't pan out once again, his regime could be in danger. The results have to come sooner than later, as fans are getting impatient waiting for the likes of Ian Stewart, Chris Nelson, and to some extent Chris Iannetta and Dexter Fowler, to exhibit their full potential at the big league level.

MLB: Rafael Furcal and Joe Nathan among the potential bargains at the bottom of Keith Law's top 50 free agents - ESPN (Insider Only)
The third tier of Keith Law's top 50 free agents features an ex-Rockie who, if interested in coming back to the big leagues, may solve one of their biggest problems - a right-handed platoon partner for Seth Smith. Here's what Law has to say about this man (who is number 49 on the list):

Murton hasn't decided yet whether to come back after two big years in Japan; he's at least a solid fourth outfielder over here who rakes against left-handed pitchers and is still playable against right-handers. Murton doesn't have the power to profile as an above-average everyday guy -- even in Japan, his main skill has been hitting for average with modest power and surprisingly few walks -- and in the U.S., he hit too many balls on the ground. Assuming the plate discipline is intact, I could see an OBP in the high .300s from him with enough doubles to make him at least a second-division starter.

It has been mentioned here recently (though I forgot who said it) that Matt Murton would be worth taking a flier on, and I totally agree. It may take a little bit of money, but I don't see it being enough for a move like this to be a substantial risk. Do it, Dan - do it.

More after the jump...

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Twitter / @rafaelrojasc: #Rockies P Edgmer Escalona ...


#Rockies P Edgmer Escalona suspended for 10 days without pay due to disciplinary issues with his VZ team #Leones, reports Meridiano daily

As Rafael Rojas (from Viva Colorado) mentioned in another tweet, this is not the first time Escalona has faced disciplinary issues. While at Colorado Springs last season, he was involved in a scuffle that earned him a suspension.

Twitter / @TracyRingolsby: Don't overlook Rockies kic ...


Don't overlook Rockies kicking tires on RHP Brad Lidge, Cherry Creek product who lives in Denver area during off-season.

There must be something to this, as Ringolsby obviously has a beat on what goes on inside the Rox organization. The Rockies 'pen is already a strength, and picking up Brad Lidge (assuming he's healthy) would solidify it even more. However, they need to be careful about offering multiple years, in my opinion.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 10:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Matt Murton would

make an interesting Platoon partner with Smith. He’s also a player, I think, who hasn’t had his opportunity over here. He was solid but the Cubs and Rockies never gave him a chance.

I think the Rockies could go after Lidge, but I don’t think they would do so without trading Street first.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Via MLBTR: Rox getting Prado?

It said Rockies were in on Prado. And it mentioned Blackmon or Fowler as the return… Good deal or bad?

by jlbroxfan on Nov 5, 2011 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

It would fill a hole for sure

2B or 3B. The Braves do need another outfielder because Nate isn’t doing it for them. Blackmon has solid line drive abilities and his power will come eventually. Fowler we know. Both can play center. I wouldn’t mind giving up one for Prado. We just can’t afford to trade the second without a MLB ready outfielder coming back.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not super high on Fowler. Blackmon we'll see.

But you’re right, if we trade one of them, we better be signing or trading for another outfielder. I don’t want Wheeler to be our only CF (or to have to make the team because we don’t have anyone else.)

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, and Prado could bat leadoff. I'd definitely consider it.

And if they want to toss in an extra “lower level prospect” in there, great!

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Heh, don't know why I didn't think of that, but ...

I’m not in love with Cargo as an every day (and I mean EVERY day, since if Wheeler doesn’t make the team I don’t know who would take over) centerfielder. I think you lose a lot defensively by not having him, and his arm, in a corner OF spot. That said, Fowler for Prado still isn’t quite fair for us. I’d want another body. Maybe we sweeten our end and they’d add Jurrjens …

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Caros Gonzalez is probably a better center fielder than Tim Wheeler.

I wouldn’t worry about that.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's saying

that without Wheeler, CarGo has no relief in CF, not that Wheeler should be in CF over CarGo.

If it’s just a matter of giving CarGo a rest, I have no problem with Blackmon in CF for a day. I’m not sure that works long term at Coors if CarGo misses time, but hope for the best.

Personally, I’d prefer they took Smith, but I could deal with Blackmon, or with Dex if there was a little extra thrown in…

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by Junction Rox on Nov 5, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

And what I'm saying is that I think Gonzalez would make a fine every day center fielder.

Blackmon or anyone else would only need to back him up in case of injury or rare rest days.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you there

the only problem I have with CarGo in CF is that we might want to double the padding on the walls out there. Other than that, I think he’s excellent out there.

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by Junction Rox on Nov 5, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pillows!

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just so long as the ball and Cargo don't get swallowed in the Memoryfoam!

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

We might want to do that on all the walls

anyway. He’s going to hit them where ever he plays.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its a pretty big center field at Coors

For at least half the games it would be harder for CarGo to reach the wall. That by itself might make it a good decision.

by Larry Walker on Nov 6, 2011 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

When Walker came over

I think I remember him playing Center until he crashed into a wall at which point they moved him to right.

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by jrockies on Nov 6, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Blackmon would be fine to back up CF

On days that CarGo didn’t play.

We certainly wouldn’t trade both Fowler and Blackmon, I don’t think.

by Shoemaker on Nov 5, 2011 12:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

See, I'm opposite...

I would be very reluctant to trade Fowler, but including Blackmon wouldn’t be an issue for me.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I Agree

I would rather keep Dex and send Blackmon

by kjj0127 on Nov 5, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is a hometown kid too

Maybe we can get Halladay for Alan Johnson and Delta Cleary?

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

And Kevin Kouzmanoff....

Oh, wait.

Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 5, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brad Lidge?

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by Muzia on Nov 5, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

This joke takes on a whole new meaning now that Johnson is no longer in our organization.

But if being Alan Johnson didn’t stop him from being our most powerful trade chip, I don’t see why not being a Rockie would either.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, Alan Johnson is gone???? NOOOOOO

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Left along with several MiLB free agents a few days ago.

So did your favorite Matt Daley.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gets towell and glass of gin for cat

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Make mine tequila :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't want to be in reach of claws wringing out towell with Tequilla

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Meh. I don't claw..

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Riffs Hawpecatjpg

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh right ....I forgot about that .lol

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know you are not much of a Whiskey drinker...

    Have a couple of fingers of Tullamore Dew and Mellow with me.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll give it a try .:)

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

It goes well with the spicy mango guave salad I'm making for dinner.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yum!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

A little ginger, a little clove...

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

rirfsupersadface.jpg :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fowler seems like a bit much

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by Resolution on Nov 5, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

If it's Blackmon

I’d do it without even thinking. If it’s if Fowler, I’m a bit hesitant. It depends on whether or not Wheeler is really ready. I’d still probably do it.

by webgem14 on Nov 5, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I threw in Blackmon as a potential candidate to be traded for Prado.

I think that’s a fairly even trade. But I wouldn’t want to include Dexter in unless it were a bigger deal. Dex is close to putting it all together.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 5, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Braves need a RHB OF.

Isn’t Blackmon a LHB? So is Seth Smith. Not sure where the teams match up, unless the Rox give up Dex or the Braves take a prospect (perhaps to set up a three-way deal).

Prado would be a huge upgrade at 2B for the Rox.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2011 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting take

I hadn’t heard they wanted a RH bat, but I guess that makes sense with Heyward and Freeman.

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by jrockies on Nov 6, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

There seems to be a shortage of RH OF bats right now.

Do the Rox have someone who could net a RHB OF (NOT Francouer, been there, done that) with some power to set up a three-way trade?

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 9, 2011 7:34 PM MST up reply actions  

How does Phils getting Cuddyer make sense?

Where would he play? From what I hear from Twins fans, he’s really hopeless anywhere but RF and 1B. Seems like an “embarrassment of riches” situation to me, and kind of dumb on their part.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

They feel Ibanez is done and Howard will be unavailable. I can see it.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Cuddyer can't play left, only right

He’s deaf in his left ear and really struggles when he’s on that side. They have Pence in right, who isn’t moving. They have a good young hitter waiting for a shot in the OF, and Mayberry at first. Still seems like a huge waste of money for them, although subtracting Oswalt probably means they can afford it.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who says you can't move francisco to left?

 He’s more likely insurance for Howard.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's just worse ...

Then they’re paying whatever — $8m a year? — for a guy to play a month or two until their All-Star first baseman comes back, when they have John Mayberry Jr, who’s probably almost as good, and Jim Thome on top of that. If I’m Cuddyer, I’m REALLY nervous about being buried in Philly if I have a bad couple weeks (not that this would not happen in Denver …)

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Torn achilles won't be a month or two.

 It litterally can be a career breaker

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

You forget Palanco is on the downside too...

    Rollins might be gone and Utley has had his problems staying healthy. They’ll need and find a place for his bat sure enough.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe, but if Cuddyer ends up at 3B ...

Phillies fans will run him out of town right quick. He’s (apparently, I don’t watch many Twins games) awful defensively there. And Polanco was/is very good. Matt of fact, I wouldn’t mind having Polanco for a year until Arenado’s ready.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't either (Polanco)

 If he’s Repalceing the power of any of the above philly fans will enbrace him in the short term in that bandbox. The ? is will they tolerate him on the road.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our best option at third

Phillies sign Cuddyer or Ramirez to play third and trade us Polanco for Street.

by Larry Walker on Nov 6, 2011 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Phillies have Thome? When did this happen?

I knew they had Ross Gload but I thought Thome was still in the AL Central.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Missed that

Thanks for the update.

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone else see Brian Wilson on College Gameday today?

The guy’s brave; walked into Tuscaloosa dressed head-to-toe in LSU gear.

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by free7694 on Nov 5, 2011 10:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Brad Hawpe

would do the same.

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by Lost Winter on Nov 5, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

He probably doesn't even like LSU either

Everything is about shock value for that dumb asshole.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

And, facts like the one that says he went to LSU

are just semantics.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw a picture on twitter


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by butterfly on Nov 5, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

honest


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by butterfly on Nov 5, 2011 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay I'll go ahead and say it...

That’s hilarious. LOL. Give him credit for that.

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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 5, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow. the Denver Post now has to replace Jim Armstrong

After being caught in a sports bettinggeme, he quit yesterday. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19269398

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2011 11:17 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

On the same day ITR announces it is departing.

Quite a shakeup.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's really too bad

I thoroughly enjoyed the monthly farm reports, lots of insider info you don’t get at the Post or national scouting services.

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by Muzia on Nov 5, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Russ to have PR replace ITR and put Greg incharge of all the minor league stuff.

 You could always charm your way into beind the ultimate insider? :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Russ to negotiate PR repaceing ITR.

    You could always charm your way into being the ultimate insider. Greg could do all the minor league stuff and Bryan could use his contacts at Eaton to bribe people with all the best swag? :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

replace

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is wild, too...

what the hell?

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow

I just him last night at the SABR banquet. I don’t think anyone knew anything about what was going on.

by webgem14 on Nov 5, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's wild.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. That's a shock. Seriously.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's also beyond ridiculous that something that's entirely legal in one part of the country (and almost all the rest of the world)

Is forced underground in most states. I’m no libertarian, god knows, but people should have the freedom to bet on sports if they choose, and the govt could do with the tax income.

by biondino on Nov 5, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The downside of sports gambling (fixing, etc) is also so much easier to control when the betting is being done out in the open…

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Nov 5, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

In Armstrong's case, the problem isn't sports betting.

The problem is journalistic integrity. He most likely violated the Post’s code of conduct.

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by DeRoMyHero on Nov 6, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Doesn’t really surprise me. I remember when he was on the Fan with Irv and Joe several years back how often he would talk about betting. The “Hour of Power” was his thing every week, though it was presumably legal football betting.

It’s too bad, as I’ve really enjoyed reading Armstrong’s work over the years.

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by wtnelson on Nov 5, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Minor league free agents declared earlier in the week, as expected.

Five players eligible to declare did not, implying that they may have re-signed to the Rockies for next year: Dustin Molleken, Josh Sullivan, Leuris Gomez, Carlos Martinez and Kyle Hancock.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

I hope Molleken is back

he’s one of the very few from my neck of the woods.

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by Rosenort on Nov 5, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Arenado is batting cleanup tonight for the Rising Stars game

on a team that features Mike Trout and Bryce Harper.

Ben Paulsen is batting 7th, and Tim Wheeler is batting 9th.

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by Muzia on Nov 5, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

that is juicy as hell

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2011 12:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

5pm PT

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

is it on TV or just online?

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by Roxman4ever on Nov 5, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

MLB Network

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I only really care about seeing Arenado.

But I’m pretty sure this bottom of the 1st is never going to end. Flipping back and forth to Bama/LSU.

by holly96 on Nov 5, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm watching this, BSG rerun on BBCA

and LSU/Bama.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bryan Ive said this to RG and now I'm saying to you.....

    Keeping Ian Stewart is a management crutch not to improve the team. The FO can’t learn the lesson of letting go what doesn’t work and improving from without. I agree with them that this years’ FA market is a likely bust for them. Nobody really fits their payroll model that could possibly help.

    That is not to say trades are unavailable to them unless : A. They don’t have the imagineation to pull them off
                                                                                                B. They’ve created enough ill will like Steve Phillips did
                                                                                                C. They’ve gone stale and don’t have an answer Vs. Finances.

    Either way to me that is an inditement against this front office..If Prado is available and I hear Jurrans is too. Make the package and pull the trigger. If you have to haggle then do it. That move alone fixes your pitcher and 2b problem. I’d give up Fowler and Smith and some body else for that. If that meant keeping Cargo in center for his Rockies career then I do that.

    If you can’t get a cash strapped orginization liked San Diego do buisness with you directly then you help sombody like a Cincinatti whith an over abundance at some positions move them indirectly. You don’t have to settle for the Wiggingtons of the world..

    Dick Monfort here is the deal I want you to make. DOD and a PTBNL for two seasons of Trader Jack McKeon to clean the must and cobwebs out of here.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 12:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Jack McKeon is retired.

Who would we trade O’Dowd to, Shady Oaks?

by Shoemaker on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's been retired for six or seven years and still draws a Florida paycheck....

 He’s still available to finish a season as manager. He’s still successfully ran two front offices and culled deadwood from two orginizations. He’s also been there whenever Florida has backed themselves in to a corner. Invest in some heatlamps for him and get him up here.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

If they can get Prado, that would be great

And what isn’t mentioned in the body of the article is that saying things to the press such as O’Dowd did can be helpful as a bargaining chip.

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is that DOD working the press or the Press working him?

    The bozos at the Post need something to write about. ( Reneck excepted ). Of course they could go all navel watching and bemoan the neccesity of doing a search to replace Armstrong.

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jurrjens would work well at Coors.

And Fowler/Smith is way too much for a Martin Prado.

@CentralCaliRox

by CentralCaliRox on Nov 5, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I concur

One or the other (preferably Smith)

Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 5, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's your criteria for saying a pitcher "wouldn't work at Coors"?

If it’s past splits — assuming there’s enough to make a judgment — fine, but I’m very skeptical of the “ground ball pitchers = success at altitude” argument". To my eye, the single greatest impact of altitude on pitching is the straightening out of fastballs. And most groundball pitchers rely on sinkers. Give me either an overpowering fastball, or some nasty off speed pitches (preferably both) and I think you’ve got your Coors profile.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

A good change up goes a long way

I agree with everything

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

CCR and I had this debate the other day

Jurrjens has an ERA around 4.50 at Coors – I can’t remember any of the other numbers, but if you look in the comments to Thursday’s rockpile you’ll find the link to his numbers here in Denver.

Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 5, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lidge is actually kind of interesting

If we could get him on a two year, incentive-laden, home town deal, we could dump Street on whomever will give us the best prospect, and I’d be pretty happy overall. He and Brothers could share closer.

by BostonTransplant on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM MDT reply actions  

RAFFY 4 CLOSER

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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually love this idea....

assuming Street is gone :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Betancourt has a pretty decent shot at being our closer even if Street is still here.

As much as it would suck to pay 7 million to a setup guy, the Rockies have plenty of insurance at the bottom of the pen. All of these are among the plethora of reasons I believe Street should be our #1 trade priority this offseason.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could be worse...

 wecould have had K-Rod

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by Oldfoagie on Nov 5, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel we can (and should) dump Street regardless of whether we sign a Lidge type.

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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

very interesting prospect link

Adam Foster of Project Prospect compares his top 100 prospects from 2007 against Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus by WAR. Essentially, Project Prospect would have the highest score if they were not the only site to omit Ubaldo Jimenez from their top 100

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2011 2:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/11/05/battle-of-the-2007-top-100s

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2011 2:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Looks like an interesting book on baseball

being recommended by Olbermann via Twitter

This book shows why Baseball is so often used as a metaphor for life” ~ K.@keitholbermann on Out Of My League.

written by Dick Hayhurst who wrote “The Bullpen Gospels”

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 2:15 PM MDT reply actions  

I'll be buying it

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 5, 2011 3:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

OT: Don't forget to Fall Back tonight :(

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 6:53 PM MDT reply actions  

: D

An extra hour of sleep!

I thought 2011 sucked pretty bad. I have nothing to add to that.

by prettyinpurple on Nov 5, 2011 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

good point.

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Casey Weathers pitching

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 7:46 PM MDT reply actions  

And on cue

Hits the first guy. Also, Arenado lined out up the middle with the based loaded, wheeler has a 40 foot dribbler single.

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by Bloynoys on Nov 5, 2011 7:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Prado is not worth Fowler. Fowler is worth so much more than Prado.

I would scream if that deal was made.

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by MattBerger on Nov 5, 2011 8:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Scahill has a clean inning

Hit 96. Was only pitcher to get Franklin out.

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by Bloynoys on Nov 5, 2011 8:39 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

So, one of the announcers of the LSU/Bama game has a voice that reminds me of someone else.

I could figure it out, though, and it’s been bugging me the whole game.

It just now came to me: Jim Tracy. Seriously. Sounds exactly like him.

by holly96 on Nov 5, 2011 9:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh wow. That's exactly right

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who would have thought it would end 9-6 in overtime?

Very interesting

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by jrockies on Nov 5, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was watching the Buffs last night

and the announcer in that game predicted it would low scoring, win on a field goal and probably OT…spooky

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by SDcat09 on Nov 5, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that's much of a surprise, really

I mean you’ve got two incredibly physical and talented defenses matched up against two very mediocre QB’s…

by steakman on Nov 5, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

the 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs

vs. the 2011 Denver Broncos? I’d love to see the smackdown!

Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!

by Kris Hansen on Nov 6, 2011 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

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