Monday Rockpile: The Rockies and the Prevent Defense
by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 7:30 AM MST
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We've all seen it before. The football game where your team is up by a couple of touchdowns, your secondary is playing back to watch the long pass, when all of a sudden, the team fighting from behind makes 3 first downs on about 5 plays and suddenly is threatening the red zone with about 3:00 left on the clock.
Similarly, your team is in a must-win situation in a baseball game, you're up by 4, and your outfielders are playing up against the fence. The 2008 Red Sox almost came back from a 3-1 deficit to lose the ALCS to the Rays in 7 games, gaining their momentum from a Game 5 elimination comeback in which they scored 8 runs over the final 3 innings of the game.
You're probably already thinking the two terms I have in mind: Prevent Defense and No Doubles Defense. Seriously, when have you ever heard of these things working? Sure, when a team has a 4 run lead, there's an overwhelming chance that they are gonna win, just based on basic baseball competence. But the failures expose a greater flaw in the concept: Playing to Not Lose.
It's something the Rockies need to be careful about in the upcoming offseasons, especially this one. The team, namely Dan O'Dowd, have started being pigeonholed as the team that is afraid to make the big move out of fear of risk. Crafty, low-cost, low-risk moves are starting to become the norm with the team. This isn't to say that every move the team makes is some washed-up player the team is hoping can come back to life in Coors Field. Look at 2009: acquiring Rafael Betancourt and Joe Beimel to bolster the bullpen down the stretch to the 2009 NL Wild Card were both sound moves, but both incredibly low risk.
Take a look at Mike Napoli. Napoli was traded from the Angels to the Blue Jays for Vernon Wells and cash (and witchcraft), and then immediately bounced to the Rangers for Frank Francisco and cash. The Rockies needed a catching tandem partner, a platooner to play some 1B with Todd Helton, and they really would've liked a right handed bat. Oh, and did I mention that Napoli has a career .955 OPS v LHP? The Jays did come with their big negotiating guns firing (seriously, witchcraft) and as a result scared the Rockies off. Mike Napoli then posted over 1.000 OPS with Texas with almost no platoon splits. Probably had something to do with cash and/or not having a magnificently overpaid outfielder to move (I swear, Spilly could've been that outfielder!).
How about Victor Martinez? 132 OPS+ on the 2011 season, and it would've likely been in the form of 1B/C + RHB (Switch, actually). Tigers offered 4 years, $50M.
So they went and got Ty Wigginton, .814 OPS career v LHP.
Now this season, the Rockies are balking at giving Jamey Carroll 2 years, $8M (thank you Omar Infante). Mark Ellis might just price himself out of the Rockies budget. Kevin Youkilis could be available, but as always,
Money is an issue given the multiple needs Colorado is attempting to address.
I get it. The team has a budget. I'm not even necessarily saying "go crazy, spend money, upgrade on luxuries!" Look at the 2011 season though, and then look at 2012. 3B is a disaster. 1B fills me with trepidation. Ty Wigginton isn't very good. Kevin Youkilis is a very good baseball player. He's a definitive upgrade to the club. Is he a risk, given his price tag? Absolutely. But do you know what you get when you get an affordable and consistent player? You get Ty Wigginton (seriously, look at his 2010-2011 numbers and tell me that Wigginton wasn't the player we thought we were signing).
Look, here's the point. If you want a new washer/drier set, go to Sears. Yeah, you'll spend a decent chunk, and you'll probably end up buying that extended warranty, and sure, and you might miss that money down the line. But you have a new washer/drier, and it's just another facet of your life you don't have to worry about anymore. But if you decide to go garage sale-ing, yeah, you'll save some money on a washer/drier that somebody else doesn't want anymore, but you're getting what you paid for: something second-hand and upgraded from.
Suggesting that Aramis Ramirez would never break down and be the solution to all of Colorado's problems is somewhat foolish. But wouldn't it be nice to have a 125+ wRC+ coming from 3B for the next while (and ultimately 1B) and then trying to bargain shop for fewer positions?
Ultimately, it comes down to positioning your team in a position to win. Not to do well, or to maintain, but to win. Anything other than playing to win is playing to not lose, which ultimately fails. Look at the Brewers: sold the farm to seriously upgrade their rotation and bolster an already strong lineup, and then they finished the season in the NLCS. They tried to win.
I remember clearly in High School Football, being told to not let up on a hit for fear of getting hurt. Every time you lay up or don't go in full force, you end up getting yourself hurt. Football is a violent game, there's a good chance you're going to get hurt.
Similarly, losing is effectively inevitable at some point. Would you rather string out the inevitable, entering an endless cycle that runs between .475-.525, or would you rather go for broke in the short term and try to grab it all, despite the risk of abject failure?
As The Great One, Wayne Gretzky, once said,
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
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The biggest difference in Wiggy's stats from 2010 to 2011
is his 8 additional stolen bases. I honestly didn’t think we were getting a stolen base threat, but yeah, other than that…Wiggy
Napoli
Toronto was looking for a younger Arm in the back of their Bullpen, and the Rangers had one. The Rockies didn’t. No way the Jays would take that T-Sip Street.
And not to sound ‘snarky’, but there seems to be alot of whining on here about the Rox. This Franchise will have their 20th Season this Year. They’ve been to the World Series in that 20 years. As a former Astros Fan, how long did it take them to get to the Series? Basically all of my known Life, with the exception of the past 6 years. Be happy with what you have with the Rox. Tulo is the BEST SS in MLB, and Cargo is still an up-and-coming Star. It could be ALOT worse, see the debacle that is currently known as the Houston Astros. What about the Mets or Dodgers? I imagine quite a few Rox Fans wouldn’t be happy with a move to the American League, or a cut in Payroll, or having Enigmatic Eddie Wade as your General Manager.
And the 2011 Season can be definitely considered as a disappointment, but do you think the Rox will be the worst Team in the NL West, or entire National League for that matter? Be fortunate, but not totally content.
I think the issue is more with the perceived goal of the FO
The Rockies seem to be content with a team in the 77-85 win talent range, when 83-90 win range is much more likely to get a playoff berth. We feel that the team is really close to being successful (And the FO has basically said as much), yet they are not willing to push the budget by just a little bit. We are counting on the team to outperform the expectations of them to make a playoff run. And everyone on the internet whines…
by I_Am_Marshall on Nov 7, 2011 7:52 AM MST up reply actions
Guess it's like the Local Media
Like what Bienvenu did yesterday. Pronounce the Broncos as “ugly” at the Half, then somehow praises them after the Game. Glad to see Bandwagoning is alive up here, just like it is in Texas! :)
there seems to be alot of whining on here about the Rox
/2011
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I understand
But, Why the hell should anyone be content with “decent,” or 2nd best. I want them to do anything and everything possible to bring us a championship.
Lots to agree with here on both sides.
With all the horrible franchises/situations out there, whining about O’Dowd and the Rockies probably isn’t fair. On the other hand, one of the things we love most about forums like this is the opportunity to share our thoughts. And sometimes those thoughts are of the angry/frustrated sort. And that’s perfectly OK.
About the prepetual mediocrity, I don’t like it either. Forced to choose – and, like it or not, given the way MLB is set up, teams/markets like the Colorado Rockies usually do – I’d accept a few more 60-70 win seasons for that occasional opporunity to win 90+ and go all the way. But I also think that’s an easy position to take given how the last few seasons have unfolded. It’s just been so frustrating.
It’s just that I also remember when the Rockies were that 60-70 win team that was out of contention by June. And it sucked. Hard. Mediocrity sucks hard, too, but it IS nice to know that, regardless of how it ultimately turns out, the 77-85 win team will almost always generate relevent baseball in September. That never sucks.
Like I said, in the end, I think I’d accept a string of horrible Rockies teams if that meant I’d get to see what it’s like to see them win the whole thing. I just wonder if I’d think the same thing if we were actually in the middle of that kind of string.
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
Well it is a Rockies blog, thus we reserve the right to whine to our
hearts content…
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FWIW,
wanting improvement and complaining about weaknesses isn’t necessarily whining either. This team since 07 has had such potential with so many good players that it’s tough to seem them not do better.
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So because it's a young franchise, we have to be content with never having won our division
Never having won the World Series, and should be “ok” with hovering around .500?
I’m sorry, but when the Marlins have 2 World Series, the Diamondbacks have 1, and the Rays at least have a division title, I reserve the right to complain bout the team’s performances and buildup.
“It could be worse” is exactly the mentality that keeps this team where it is. Yeah, it could be a lot worse. It could also be a lot better.
Colorado isn’t the worst team in the NL West, or the NL. Bad news though, only 4 teams get to go to the playoffs out of 16, and being in the top 12 isn’t good enough.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions 6 recs
Precisely
well stated post and great article today.
Unfortunately (for me), the Rockies might actually be the most competently managed and coached team that I root for. How sad is that? (Hopefully college hoops will save me from an apocalyptic sports year. )
Wow.
Can I buy you a beer or something? Please don’t let it get to you.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Fortunately
I have kids now and have to be relatively responsible in my sports-loss reactions. And as a long-term Rox fan, I’ve become somewhat accustomed to dealing with losing. Too bad 2007 re-set me on that, establishing expectations, and now I have to work my tolerance down again. Slowly. But this past year did a lot to ease me along.
This post might as well have been written by me
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome to Purple Row
We’re at a point in the offseason where the news is slow and one of the only things to do is compare what we did last offseason to how we should fill the holes this year. After a season like 2011 where the Rockies underperformed expectations as much as any team in baseball (except probably Boston), there’s going to be a bunch of rehashing what went wrong.
It’s not just that the Rockies were bad – It’s that they were supposed to be good – (They were picked by many well respected baseball evaluators to win the west).
Happiness = Reality – Expectations
Next year the expectations will be lower and the mood around here probably won’t be quite as bitter.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 7, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
And hopefully reality will be
More that 73 wins…
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Be happy with what you have with the Rox.
Nope.
We got swept in the world series the one time we went, we’ve never won the division, pitchers don’t want to sign with us, our hitters get no respect, the moves our team makes seem to get no respect from non-rockies affiliated media sources, and we still get shit for Mike Hampton and Denny Neagle like we signed them 10 months ago and not 10 years ago. When this team is established as a force and a consistent threat to win it all, respected, and not commanded by an idiot manager, then I’m sure I’ll chill out a bit.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
by Resolution on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Sound familiar...
Sounds oddly familiar with a Franchise that will be playing it’s 51st Season in 2012, and last in the National League.
Nobody's saying Houston fans should be happy either
or even hold their team to the same standards. If the Astros of the late 90s had played 73-89 baseball, the fans would have every right to complain as much as we are right now (and have every right to complain today, too).
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
It’s essentially saying be happy with what you have by comparing yourself to the less fortunate. So basically, Astros fans should go talk to Expos fans and be happy they even have a team – which I imagine would bring weak and fleeting feelings of comfort…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Quit comparing us to Houston
Just because Houston sucks worse than the Rockies doesn’t mean it’s OK for the Rockies to suck.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
It's okay for the Rockies to suck?
I didn’t think it was okay for any professional sports team to suck, unless it’s for Luck.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
Damn you, Smitty!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I think you meant wino.
Amart loves his four buck chuck.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
its up to 4 now?
I thought it was three?!?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Well, it's still $1.99 here in Cali
and produces the most godawful headaches on the planet. No more Two Buck Chuck for me.
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King Cobra gives way worse headaches. Quit whining and enjoy the 2buckchuck.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Haha well done
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
You can always switch to Hawkeye Vodka
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Well I can't speak to King Cobra...
but thanks for the dressing down.
But for a nice inexpensive ($2.99 Sirah) try Crane Lake. No headaches!!
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you don't know me
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
you don't know me at all
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Come on.
You’ve worn the yellow jersey in the Tour de Franzia more than once. ;)
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
We can compare this club to the Astros all day long and be satisfied with where we're at
but I don’t think that’s a winning mentality. While you’re correct in pointing out the we need to appreciate things like Tulo’s greatness, Cargo’s coming of age, and Helton’s last few seasons on the diamond, it’s not an excuse to be fine and dandy with some of the other things going on with club.
I’m interested in how the Rockies can improve. When that’s the topic of conversation (and it will be for most of the offseason), we won’t be addressing those three players very much.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see what you have to complain about
Be fortunate, but not content with what the Astros have given you. They were in the World Series six years ago. The Cubs haven’t been there in 66 years. So now more complaining for you, for there is someone worse off.
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Hi. I'm PetroCW, and I'm a Pirates fan.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
You guys had the 70s - no complaining!!!
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
You guys had Bill Mazeroski - no complaining!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
I think the PR Community Guidelines
Need to be updated to include this new No Complaining rule. Complaining should be avoided just like politics and religion.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Can you imagine an OT with no whining...
/hears crickets
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YYYYYAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNN!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
That was an amazing series
That Pirates team was amazing the WS that followed was just as good
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
So the argument is don't complain if your team won't take a risk because
Houston is bad? I am happy that the FO and ownership group here have integrity and largely don’t make crippling bonehead manuevers.
That doesn’t mean I have to be happy with a team that was in the thick of it in late 2010 saying Jose Lopez(.239/.270/.339 in 10), Ty Wiggington( .248/.312/.415) and Felipe Paulino(5.83 ERA in 200 career innings in Houston) are the moves to take a team with huge questions at 3B, 4th OF, 1B, C and 2B over the top. Paulino was probably a good gamble but not if they knew they would immediately relegate him to the bullpen, and I personally believe this team would have been better served keeping Barmes and giving the Wiggington roster spot to Lopez(at least he had some upside).
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Francisco was 31, Betancourt or Belisle would have been at least as valuable after last season
Belisle would have been the ultimate sell high candidate, and Betancourt was coming of a season where he posted an 11/1 K/BB ratio(not as good as his 49/1 ratio after the AS break this year but still stellar). I know we didn’t have any aging OF with 100 million owed them to trade for Napoli but something tells me that Charlie Blackmon, or Seth Smith and a MiLB arm may have been enough for Napoli.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
by TomCat009 on Nov 7, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
PRMLB OOTP League
We still need two more confirmed players for our OOTP Online League, which will start playing later this month. We are going to start by playing the 2011 season. This seems like an odd choice for a bunch of Rockies fans, but we’re going to turn the Rockies Suck setting off. For more information on the league, check out this post:
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/10/31/2527245/purple-row-ootp-12-online-league
We will be picking our teams this Wednesday. For more information of the Team Draft:
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/11/7/2539739/prmlb-team-draft-order-and-emails
By the way, the league will be henceforth known as Purple Row Major League Baseball (or PRMLB). Look for FanPosts with those five letters.
Meh
Wish I would’ve known (or joined this Blog) sooner. Just inked again with Scoresheet Baseball for a National League Root League, and ironically, it’s the Rox whom I took. I feel ultimate pity for whomever is stuck with the ‘Stros…and possibly the O’s and Twins.
I have been playing around with OOTP
Just so that people dont get stuck with godawful teams, did we want to purge the rosters and do a snake draft to fill the teams with talent both ML and prospects? Just a thought.
I think that the general consensus is
to mirror the MLB as closely as possible. And, actually, there’s a lot of fun in playing with crappier teams. There is a lot more work to be done at the organizational level. As I said in another comment today, winning the World Series is kind of anticlimactic in OOTP because the games themselves are simmed. Winning in OOTP is pulling off the right moves to maintain and/or build your team. I’m pretty sure a few people will have more fun making the Astros good than siting on their hands and watching the Yankees win the World Series.
I can see that
though playing a team that is both bad and has a weak farm system like the Astros wouldnt be all that fun the first year. By the draft order I wont get the worst of it so it doesnt matter as much to me. A draft would be fun, plus some players are not rated very well making their contracts suck, i.e. Jorge De La Rosa who has a one star rating and only one star potential but is under a 4 year $40 mil contract.
Check out whose rating that is.
If you have the scouting system on, your scout has an influence on the rating.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
If we are doing multiple season sims, I would be happy to take on a project like the Astros
As long as I can start seeing some results along the way.
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Agreed but I fear it will be 1 or 2 and done.
We wouldn’t be able to tell who the best Franchise Owners are for probably 10 seasons or so.
"Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step" Dr. MLK Jr.
I think we'll keep it going.
We will have to replace people, but I think there will be a core here.
And it isn;t hard to tell who the best managers are even after one season. You’ll see.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
Been using Hardball Dynasty on WIFS and I am 20ish seasons in some leagues
In HBD at least there their are only so many moves you can make with a bad team. Takes time to turn things around. Curious to see how different this is.
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Count me in
Haven’t ever played OOTP but I have been using Whatifsports products for way too long.
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I am adding you to the list.
You will be in the 17th draft sport. I will use the email in your account.
Please read through the other posts for more information on the league.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Have you guys seen these awesome photos?
In my Twitter stream today. They’re amazing.
http://www.pxleyes.com/blog/2011/07/121-professional-vintage-sport-photos-taken-before-1925/
I once met a guy who had an autographed copy of that Jim Thorpe picture
His father was Thorpe’s coach.
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How come they don't play soccer on motorcycles anymore?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 7, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
Uh, not according to Sportscenter they don't.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 7, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
Your kidding, right?
The British have a long, storied tradition of playing bad sports on bad motorized vehicles while sporting bad teeth. That tradition lives on today.
/whoosh
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To be honest, I have never heard of motorcycle soccer
And I feel like I have a decent working knowledge of weird-ass sports from around the world.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
People were a lot tougher back then!
Very few helmets, little padding in any of these pics.
Is it 2012 yet?
I like the idea of Youkilis
Dependent on the prospect cost. What type of deal would get it done honestly? You more then likely have him at 3rd and hopefully switch him to 1st after Helton retires.
I feel you have to pay a heavy surplus to get Ramirez.
I would love to have Youk here I say offer Wheeler, Bettis and maybe Parker/Tago
and Jump in on the bidding for this Cuban CF Yoenis Cespedes,I would rather pay a 26 YO with 5 tool upside 30 million over 6 years than Cuddyer 45 over 3
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
and if you have never heard of Yoenis Cespedes, you owe it to yourself to read this BPro article.
Seriously, you won’t read anything better all day. I promise.
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I would actually like to get Cespedes
You know, for shits and giggles. But, it is as far away from the Rockies standard operating procedures as it possibly could be. So, we might as well forget about it.
You mean making a move that isn't a blatant slam dunk?
Gasp
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
I read it as "blatant slam drunk".......
which didn’t make sense either…..
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That
and the whole “there might be another team slightly interested so we will stay as far away as possible” mentality. And then the fact that he is coveted international free agent, and we only sign obscure international free agents.
Sometime I swear we are a hipster team.
by mkorpal on Nov 7, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Ubaldo was so much better before he got mainstream
Cy Young candidates are totally corporate, man.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
If I ever see Tulo in skinny jeans...and floppy hair...well
I just won’t be happy…because what a weird look for him.
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Tough to drive a bitchin' Camaro in skinny jeans
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Talk about juxtaposition
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I was a fan of Carlos Gonzalez
before he even won a batting title.
#hipsterrockiesfan
by Shoemaker on Nov 7, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So, are you saying you'd rather be a Nickelback team?
#johnlackey
Just a small town kid who thinks Coors Field on a sunny summer Saturday night is the best place to be on this or any other plane of existence. When a late-inning Todd Helton go-ahead homerun is added to this scenario, my brain melts.
This is exactly why I was like
Lets trade Brad Hawpe when he still has value for a couple of above average relievers – so that 1. we get something of value for him and 2. we’re not spending 7 million a year for 53 innings from Huston Street.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Selling high
is admittedly not one of the Rockies’ strengths – which is why I was extremely okay with the move of Ubaldo.
Goodbye 2011, hello uncertainty about 2012...
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Aberle agrees
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JFK
as do I actually
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by Jeff Aberle on Nov 7, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This is a great Rockpile.
I have felt like this offseason will be more active because of the pressure on DOD and the front office to produce a better team. Helton is almost done, DOD isn’t going to go into 2012 with the same team as 2011.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 7, 2011 10:28 AM MST via mobile reply actions
/goes into 2012 with same team as 2011
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Seriously...
wait until 2012 to say things like this!!! The gods of 2011 haven’t lifted the curse yet!!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Not going to happen!!!
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 7, 2011 10:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
/happens anyway
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You mean it's going to be worse?
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This post not whiny enough.
Try again :)
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Really,
if there was anyone on the Row that I thought would be into this, I thought it would be you.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
Because I don't have ANY money at all.
Club baseball took $500 from me, so I even had to borrow some of the money from my credit card. Otherwise, I would’ve been all over this of course.
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by CentralCaliRox on Nov 7, 2011 10:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
check your email
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Muzia,
could you send em some money too?
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
damn, you guys rock
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If Muzia didn't solve the problem.
Email me and I will.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
And if he did or I do.
Then, you’re in, right?
I’ll slide you into the last available draft spot.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
I took care of this one
If there’s anyone else, you can grab that one. Okay?
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Have the support email handy?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
support@ootpdevelopments.com
You can also submit a ticket here;
http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/index.php?m=tickets&a=submit
If those two don’t work, I’ll look up the direct email to the main CS guy. I have it around here somewhere.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks
Want to resolve issue as fast as possible, but 1) Forum hasn’t updated in four days and 2) VERY busy day at the office.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Great article, but I honestly don't think it's risk or pricetag
that keeps the Rockies out of the running for a guy like Napoli. In 2011, O’Dowd was determined NOT to have a catcher on the roster who posed a threat to Iannetta’s playing time, and he was determined to keep Giambi. Combine those desires with the possibility that Napoli (gasp!) might not fit in with the chummy clubhouse atmoshere, and he’s exactly the type of player O’Dowd loses interest in.
This goes back to what I said last week about honestly evaluating your roster makeup and talent level, instead of constantly thinking that a small tweak here or there will make the team better. Impact players threaten incumbents’ playing time and shake up rosters. Hey! -maybe that’s why they are called impact players…
kind of like
drafting on talent and not by need…
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think there's a lot to this,
and among other things it raises serious questions about DOD’s relationship with Tracy. But those questions are inconsistent with Tracy’s retention. Woooo, I have no idea what is going on.
#Royals trade OF Melky Cabrera to San Francisco for P Jonathan Sancez and minor-league pitcher Verdugo.
Whoa.
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Real life
Royals actually sell high on Melky, Giants get some cost certainty/relief and an OF depth. Verdugo is an okay arm that tried transitioning to a starter role in AA last year with some success.
Good trade for both.
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Great trade for the Royals, if....
Lorenzo Cain is the real deal, and proves he is MLB-ready. Otherwise, this trade still turn out okay but the Greinke trade becomes harder for KC fans to swallow.
by Northsider1964 on Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
I actually like it better for the Royals
The key to this trade for the Giants is how much stock you put into Cabrera’s 2011 – And I think it’s a complete mirage, fueled by a 33 point BABIP spike over his career number despite unchanged peripherals and a 42% rise over his career HR/FB ratio.
He should go back to being a below average hitter again next season.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
and allow the Giants to return another level of suck.
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Way to go Royals I hope he goes JDLR for them, Melky would have been a nice addition
here,
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Whoa...They traded Sanchez?
/thud
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and gave away one of the depth arms
That rotation is now set in stone, and entirely dependent on staying healthy. There’s literally nothing beyond “Alan Johnson-type” left in their system that would be an okay emergency fill-in next year.
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Giants pitchers don't get hurt
That deal with the devil could go ahead and expire any time now.
I met a gin-soaked barroom queen in Memphis...
Melky playing CF in AT&T....hahahaha
this now gives Zito a spot in the Giants rotation…..hahahahahahahahah
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, Vogelsong, Surkamp.
Not quite, but Zito is definitely their mop-up/spot starter now
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/Cargo jumps for joy
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Not good
Cabrera improves their team a lot. Now they wish they hadn’t traded Wheeler
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For what it’s worth, Keith Law posted his analysis of the trade and doesn’t think it makes much sense for the Giants.
He's
a better outfielder than some of the guys they’ve run out there in the last two years for sure. The only thing I don’t get is the pitching they gave up. I think they hurt their team there (losing depth) to improve elsewhere. We’ll see how it turns out.
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Being a better outfielder might be a low bar to hit, though.
So really, he needs to be a big upgrade offensively to be worth it (and that’s not really considering the pitching depth issue, as you mention).
One of the biggest regression candidates for this upcoming season
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you're right
but it turns out he’ll regress in a Freudian sense.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Nov 7, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this tweet
MelkyRowand
Combined fWAR over the last four seasons Melky Cabrera: 4.9. Aaron Rowand: 5 #sfgiants
While Melky had his young green years in there, it was after Rowand’s peak (all four years were with SFG) and Melky had more PA over that time.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions
as per our main homeboy John Sickels
Arenado is an A- prospect for me now. VERY iimpressed with him.
In the comments of this post.
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I'm very curious to see the Rockies Top 20 this year from Sickels
lots of helium prospects in our system from last season
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between the helium guys
and Tago/Matzek/Friedrich there should be a lot of movement
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--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Just wait
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 7, 2011 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Nice writeup Andrew.
I enjoyed it.
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by Charlie77 on Nov 7, 2011 1:24 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Why?
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Why not?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
TG:
Is the email you had this summer still ok to use? If not, email me from the account you want to use for the game.
It's a Gmail right?
If so, we’re cool.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
Umm should work
But just in case send it to my gmail – same email, just @gmail.com instead of @colorado.edu
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Why must the Rockies be scared and not trade away any players?
Its a chicken poop way of doing things. They are trading chips sometimes and sometimes you just have to sacrifice players for certain needs. The Rockies will not do this. Not for a big name player anyways. There are untouchables. Arenado is for sure one of them. You guys can fill in the rest of them better than I can. But, the Rockies will continue at a level of suck until they can trade away prospects. I’m not saying that they should sell the farm. But, it would be nice to see a nice move made. Let’s get someone who can join Tulo, Cargo, and Todd in the lineup that will make the lineup even more dangerous. Ok, now you all can make of me now that I’m done.
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now you all can make fun of me now that I'm done.
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Trading prospects for the sake of trading prospects isn't the answer
If acquiring better talent requires trading prospects, they should take it very seriously.
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
Im not saying prospects for prospects.
Prospects to get a big name talent, this is something that they DONT DO and its very aggravating to us all. Its like, they are scared to pull the trigger. The Indians gave up what? 4 of their upper prospects for 1 name. But, like I said we are to scared to do that kind of thing. This is possibly another reason why Tulo, Cargo and Todd will never see a WS ring on their finger. Its not heir fault, its the FO’s fault for not doing something about it. People may say I’m whining, but its the damn truth. They can’t handle the truth.
We would all like answers also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM
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I think you're right
To a certain extent – if the Rockies traded 2 high upside prospects and 2 throw-ins for a guy like Ubaldo, I would not be happy. But I do agree that sometimes we’re afraid to trade prospects when they’re at the peak of their value in the hopes that they’ll produce in the future.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
but do you think we could actually trade away Arenado?
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for the right guy? Sure
But it would have to be for a huge get
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It'd have to be multiple gets
For me, anyways – the stars would have to align. We’d need two impact players: a power bat in the corner, and an innings eating pitcher. For me, trading away our solution to 3b doesn’t help unless we’re filling two holes in exchange.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
There are probably 50-60 ML guys I'd trade Arenado for
Actually, that’s probably low (only 2 per team). Plus no doubt another dozen or so minor leaguers with higher ceilings. He’s not the only professional baseball player who can rake.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 7, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
But are there 50-60 ML guys who can rake
And play corner IF or corner OF? My point is that one of our big weaknesses right now is 3b, and trading Nolan away for a position we’re already covered at seems silly.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
No, and I don't think it'd be worth it
He fills one of the holes where we have a desperate need
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
if King Felix was on the block, and the M's wanted Arenado as the centerpiece?
I’d do that. I’d do that without blinking.
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Oh absolutely
But I don’t see them doing that anytime soon – my “no” was conditional (and premature, read above :-))
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
so does David Wright.
COULD Arenado learn how to play 1st? Could he take over from Helton? Think of that lineup. Fowler, someone,Cargo,Tulo, Arenado and then Wright. Fill in the rest behind them.
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Right now, this team needs a third consistent impact bat behind Tulo and Cargo
Rosario and Arenado are possibilities right now. But then again, that’s all they are. If we could swap them for a certified impact bat, you probably have to do it.
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That someone had better play 2b
If they’re going to be hitting #2 ;-) I like Wright but I think he comes at too high a price – I’d rather go with Youk for that money.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
Isn't Youk old?
Plus, he’s got that funky ass batting stance. We make fun of other people’s stance. Then, we would want a guy that has a funky stance.
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He's 32.
and you guys are saying NO to Willingham? You say he is to old to play on this team.
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His contract expires this year
Willingham will want 4 years and cost a draft pic to sign.
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I've never said that about Willingham
Youk is 32, Wright is 28
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
I know I've seen some say on here that the Hammer is too old.
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Not I, said the cow.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
for a 4 year contract, yeah
I’ve said it. I think it’s true.
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but we would pay a lot of money to a guy whose career high in games played in a season is 135.
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Whose knees are in Beltran teritory soon.
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Wait. Youk's got bad knees?
Never heard that one before. He had a sports hernia last season, and has had elbow trouble. Not heard of the knees. Or are you talking about Willingham?
by BostonTransplant on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Boston would eat some of the contract
and it wouldn’t be a long term commitment.
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Umm the Greek God of Walks?
He could stand facing the umpire if he keeps his OBP up and I won’t care.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Way easier to find a bat/glove at 1st than 3B
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I'd trade prospects for prospects if it fills an orginizational hole and I got an equal talent guy.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Ah, an excuse to post a Bill Smith quotes:
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 7, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
What a dummy.
There just aren’t words to describe this.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Technically speaking, he's kinda right.
Though I would love to see a guy go 16-8 with a 7.00 ERA…
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Well he's right for that sample of time (where one pitcher was 10-15 and the other was 10-6)
But going forward, I’d most definitely want the pitcher with the 2.80 ERA
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Or 16-8, not 10-6. Ack I'm confused!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
...................
Belisle for Francisco Liriano. Get it done, O’Dowd, because 10 > 9.
good one
pls make this move for a 10 win pitcher
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You took that from the Gendo Johan Trade thingie, didn't you
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Yep.
He seems so happy in his Bill Smith is fired thread
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Nov 7, 2011 6:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The riskiest strategy of all is to rely on 18-22 year olds to take us to a future WS
I think the FO has it backwards if its goal is to avoid risk. Teams with lots of money use that money to hedge for risk.
There’s a lot of selection bias involved in the FO’s reluctance to trade prospects, I think. They are afraid of being the bozo FO that trades a future superstar for an aging guy who fades away and takes all the team’s money with him. But those deals are pretty rare, in reality. Usually, teams that acquire MLB talent for prospects get exactly what they expect, and if they don’t the contract’s often about to run out anyway and the prospects turn out to be duds. In the long run, it’s really the only way to limit — not take — risks for a mid-market team.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 7, 2011 3:25 PM MST reply actions
but except for Tulo and Cargo
we act like a small market team and is afraid of making a big splash.
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Yup, I agree. And I'd say it's profoundly back-asswards.
If we’re afraid of risk we should be trading minor league talent for major league talent all over the place.
by BostonTransplant on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
This is nice.
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OT: Holy crap. Beer crisis averted!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19282775
Fire at the New Belgium Brewery
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Oh the brewmanity!
Is it 2012 yet?
by DAWNMARIE01 on Nov 7, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I guess using beer to douse the flames is a bad idea huh?
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Geez.
Apparently one Big Three isn’t enough.
Also, a link in that link notes that the color orange has been confirmed as one of the Miami Marlins’ offical colors. Yes, orange.
If they pull it off right orange could be cool
But it’s probably being designed by the minds behind this:
So I’m going to go with yuck.
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Braves seek greinke like deal for jurrjens. Can’t blame ’em. Teams that could play include col nyy tex kc bos tor balt cubs
Interesting that we’re not just listed, but the first ones on the list.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
I'd rather be first in the race for Prado
I get the feeling we’ll overpay for Jurrjens
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Dont want Jurrjens. Only Prado
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Sweet! Im going to rec'd this just because I love that movie.
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Agreed! I wouldn't say no to Jurrjens, he'd just have to come at the right price
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
would giving them Wiggy work?
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PLEASE!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
We give you Wiggy, We will take Jurrjens. We give you Smith, you give us Prado.
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Book 'em Dan-O
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Then that is where he can go play and stay!
But, do you think they would handle this from him. Would they chain him up and give him lashes?
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10175519
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Haha I thought the Rockies only signed good clubhouse guys
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
I just he would've had that kind of fire this past season.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
What if we could get both of them?
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
Greinke like deal, eh?
So a toolsy CF, solid starting pitcher prospect, and an oft-injured fireballing reliever?
Wheeler, Friedrich, and Weathers?
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new proposal
Delta Cleary, Friedrich, and Weathers.
Jurrjens is a crappy comp to Greinke value-wise, and this trade is the crappy version of what the Brewers gave up for Greinke.
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Hey Delta Cleary is my only follower on Twitter!
No idea why he’s following me – I’ve never sent a single tweet, just follow others (mainly Rockies).
Is it 2012 yet?
He follows most of his followers.
He’d be following me if I didn’t screen my followers.
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by Greg Stanwood on Nov 7, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't even following him until he followed me.
I think he saw I was following some other Rockies or something.
Is it 2012 yet?
everyone just left. Even the crickets.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
En fuego!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
Quick throw the unburned beer...no wait...
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“Tonight I stand here, overwhelmed, as my name is linked with the great and courageous Lou Gehrig. I’m truly humbled to have our names spoken in the same breath. This year has been unbelievable. I’ve been cheered in ballparks all over the country. People not only showed me their kindness, but more importantly, they demonstrated their love of the game of baseball. I give my thanks to baseball fans everywhere. Tonight, I want to make sure you know how I feel. As I grew up here, I not only had dreams of being a big league ballplayer, but also of being a Baltimore Oriole. For all of your support over the years, I want to thank you, the fans of Baltimore, from the bottom of my heart. This is the greatest place to play.” ~Cal Ripken Jr.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
Would Jeff Francouer be a good fit in Denver?
Just tossing a name out there.
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
As a platoon partner for Smith? Yes
Too bad the Royals just signed him to a two year extension.
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oh, guess I didn't realize they had just extended him. Thanks
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I can't wait for this day.
February 19th – Voluntary date to report to Spring Training for pitchers, catchers and injured players.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
You should put the countdown in your sigline...change it every day
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
that is too much counting for me. LOL
I’ll do it IF I can figure it up.
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Updated the sig line. May the countdown begin.
It can’t get here fast enough.
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Are you guys going to have GT for the fake baseball?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
That would be hilarious
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Oh my god if WebEx didn't remind me of work
This would be the best thing ever
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
WebEx improved my ability to my job ENORMOUSLY
I don’t know how we ever lived without it.
Seriously.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Yup - and it sure beats
freeconference, which is what we were using when I started
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 9:52 PM MST up reply actions
Dude, my former employer
had NO software of this type. I don’t know how I ever troubleshot(?) much less solved more than 5 problems a day. I had the patience of Job I tell ya.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
With all you engineer/computer nerd-types,
why am I sitting here setting up a MySQL database for our OOTP league. You guys could do this crap in your sleep.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
Linked through here:
But I still have some work to do there.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
I can't imagine life without so many things
Sometimes I watch Mad Men and I’m just like “holy hell, how did anybody get work done?!” I know, I know, I’m dating myself :-) Or am I undating myself?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
I never date myself.
I just have one-night stands.
by DumbAndNerdy on Nov 7, 2011 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
Boom roasted
Slash disgusting?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
One might say you are a handy man.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well at least someone is dating you!
I don’t know how we did it either. Back before microwaves, cell phones, teh intrawebznet.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well we were certainly lacking
in the cat entertainment department
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
My Mom still has an old skool rotary dial phone in the basement
that works!
True confessions. I still have my old skool slimline phone. I love it!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I've always wanted a rotary dial!
But it doesn’t really make sense for me to pay for a landline… oh well!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
Back before microwaves, Cat? They were invented in the 1940s!!
re-evaluates impression of the enigmatic SDCat, comes up with Sofia from The Golden Girls
This would be interesting.
I bet you could still make double centurion.
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We're going to have articles, that's the damn truth
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by Andrew Martin on Nov 7, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
RMN:
Do you have any thoughts on the cap? I think sticking with the Soft Cap/Luxury Tax is the right move, but I know you were thinking about a hard cap.
We can move this to another thread too.
To explain,
I’m not password protecting the league site. So everyone will be able to watch standings, box scores, stats, transactions, etc. It might be interesting to watch.
I would like to do it also. I think its too late.
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
At the moment, yes.
But we could bring you in as replacement when someone drops out. I’ll let you know.
ok, I don't have gmail. Sorry
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Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Any email account will work
You just need the OOTP game downloaded onto your computer and practice with it to learn the format
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oh, you mean our hopes and dreams of acquiring big name players and getting a WS win?
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To summarize today's Rockpile article:
“Good is not Good when Better is expected.” — Vin Scully
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Vin Scully is such a whiner
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I just want to know how he has a relationship with Seth.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Ahem...that's Garry
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I was referring to Garry Seth Smith ..you
know, because it’s a whiny Rockies blog
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
OTish: Since you mentioned football in the Rockpile
and you know all the whining and stuff, I thought this was appropriate.
Browns fan with ultimate whine
Best line is at the very end.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
YOU ARE A FACTORY OF SADNESS!
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 9:54 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously. This might be the BEST.RANT.EVER.
I laughed through the whole thing.
I did love:
“We don’t expect you to win the Super Bowl! We just want you to look better than a Division III high school team!”
Sadly, I felt that I could insert “Rockies 2011” at pretty much any point in the rant……
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
More like CU football
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:01 PM MST up reply actions
More like "name a sports team in Colorado"
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Hey, man
To be fair, the Nuggets aren’t losing right now (hee hee) and the Avs aren’t doing that badly… are they? I stopped following them after the first dozen games or so (it’s difficult to casually follow hockey without cable!) :-/
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Nov 7, 2011 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
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